Why am I not surprised? Political cartoon thread?

>>81494492
is it true that ben's site got taken down?

Are there any political cartoons that don't fucking label everything?

Do political cartoons serve ANY purpose other than dumbing down current issues for the layman? I swear to fucking christ every single political cartoon I've seen is so masturbatory and self-righteous.

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>>81494851
What do you think?

>>81494851
How else can you get the news about THOSE FUCKERS and OUR SHIT

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>>81494849
But if things aren't labeled then you wouldn't get it.

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>>81494849
I think it's just a holdover from classical political cartoons. In the early days of print and newspapers it was a quick and dirty way to disseminate information to the public at large.

Now that the layman has easy access to news and current issues, political cartoons just seem heavy-handed and pretentious.

>>81494492
Too bad it doesn't stop in Wisconsin

>>81494931
Fun fact. Ben Franklin was opposed to labeling the parts in that one. He reasoned that people were smart enough to get it.

>>81494822
He has a patreon now.

>>81495389
I believe they are saying that this doesn't clinch anything. Trump wins enough other places and Wisconsin won't matter in the end.

>>81494913
Look man, I know this is /co/, but you do recognize that there are other ways to convey information other than poorly drawn comics and cartoons, right?

>>81496679
>Rato
Who? Did you mean Rubio? He was talking about Cruz. Reminder, you're not in /pol/

>>81497159
Rato always means Cruz

>>81497248
Reminder, you're not in /pol/

THOSE FUCKERS!

>>81497365
You sound like a liberal, repeating nonsense until the opposition gives up. REMINDER: we /pol/ now.

>>81497459
OUR SHIT!

>>81497570
No, I just wanted to make sure you read it. And this is /co/, not /pol/.

Here, I'll even link you to it.

>>>/pol/

>>81497790
Dem nomination is still very much anyone's game

New York'll be the clincher unless they tie then WE'RE GOIN' ALL THE WAY TO CALIFORNIA BAY-BEE

>>81494849
How else would /pol/luters understand what was going on?

>>81497790
It's necessary for her to get elected so that the Clinton-Bush-Afterbush cycle can repeat.

>>81494492
are Americans excited about having their first Berlusconi-Putin style president?

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>>81494849
Maybe Heathcliff's been a political cartoon all along and we're too dumb to get it

>>81497790
I didn't say Trump could win an election. Everybody who's brown and/or doesn't have a penis will hate the guy pretty much. But he could absolutely still be the nominee.

>>81497965

Some of us are. There's a huge divide between the Left and Right and its getting exponentially larger with every major political event. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we had some kind of Cold Civil War in just a couple years.

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>Cruz and Trump: "Drop out you're stealing our votes
>Kasich's face when

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>>81494849
It's just not the same otherwise.

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>>81497995
Can we just pretend all single-panel newspaper comics are political?

>>81498072
the absolute madman who's actually the most normal person in the race

>>81497841

A tie in New York is still a massive blow to the Sanders campaign since it'll means that he has to win every remaining contest by even larger margins than the hefty ones he already needs.

>>81497570
I thought we were /tv/

>>81498193
>not /pol/ dude, we're /tv/
>I thought we were tumblr
>it says here we're reddit

>>81498181
he's probably able to win every other state pretty handily because white people lol

so it'd really just come down to California

>>81498023
>the most politically savvy friend I have is MtF trans
>still has a penis
>loves trump
lel

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>>81498137

World war 3 here we come i guess...

>>81494931
>Now that the layman has easy access to news and current issues
You're on 4chan and /co/ no less, who the fuck are you supposed to be?

most muh secret club, baww fucking normalfags post I've ever seen

Based Zyklon Ben

>>81498640
Nigga the fuck are you on? This a place where me, a layman, can get access to news regarding things relevant to my interest.

>>81497965
>He's never heard of Andrew Jackson
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>>81499152
If it means turning our government into one giant frat party, bring it on.

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>>81497995
What the hell is the punchline here?

>>81498023
>Trump is racist, because he just like HAS to be

>>81499152
Will Trump get in duels and attack people with canes

he seems like the type

>>81499261
to know is to know madness

>>81499288
>wants to put followers of an Abrahamic religion on a list to "keep track" of them
you can possibly see why people might overreact a little

>>81498602
He already gets in shitposting duels over social media.

>>81499261
Hi newfag.

heathcliff is anti humor. its not supposed to be funny

>>81499329
i may be an idiot but isn't Christianity one of those?

>>81498159
Is Kasich really the only runner that's not a loon or a crook?

>>81499380
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the Abrahamic religions

>>81494849adam and evr

>>81498067
Aren't we having one now? Couldn't it be argued we've been having one as long as there's been two major parties in the system?
>>81499288
Doesn't matter if he is or isn't, majority of people think he's a racist sexist so they're going to let that sway them.
Unless Trump can somehow convince everyone that that narrative is bullshit everyone who isn't a Trump Supporter is too convinced he's Hitler.

>>81499380
Abrahamic implies that those religions recognize Abraham, which is one of the earliest prophets. Islam recognizes all of them, and Jesus but only as a prophet.

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>>81497995
>Maybe Heathcliff's been a political cartoon all along
Wait, there are people that never realised that?

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>>81498023
>Everybody who's brown
>mfw Mexican living in a heavy Mexican area in Texas and we all support Trump deporting the illegals that give us all a bad name

Seriously, if you look at the election map, almost all the border counties went for Trump.

>>81499493
that is pretty much what the party system is for, so we don't have to fight wars to determine who's in charge

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>>81499366
No, no, see Heathcliff is more than that. Heathcliff is essentially regular humor but with an otherworldly abyss where the joke should be. And to stare into that abyss is to truly know Bad News.

>>81494492
What's exactly wrong with that image? It's just portraying reality and not an opinion. The GOP is fucking terrified of Trump becoming their candidate because he makes the party look like if it's filled with a bunch of whackjobs (even if Cruz is just as crazy as Trump except more of the overly religious kind of crazy instead of Trumps "I'll suck yo dick and insult my own mother for a vote" crazy). They desperately do not want him to win the primaries but it's not looking good for them.

>>81499627
brokered convention seems likely

and if Trump isn't the nom he'd probably go third party like the idiot he is

>>81499627
>What's exactly wrong with that image?
Not enough Jew-bashing.
Ben "Montana Merchant Mangler" is losing his touch.

>>81497790
If Hillary keeps alienating Bernie supporters the democrats might have enough of a low voter turnout for the general elections that Trump might just become president. It'd be a beautiful sight to see that country burn.

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>>81499295
>Will Trump get in duels and attack people with canes
>he seems like the type

Trump is wearing a bulletproof vest pretty much all the time now. Jackson would have just tanked the bullets like he always did.

>>81499288

Honestly, Trump's real problem is not only that he is inconsistent but doesn't have a real plan and people are just voting for him because 'he says what's on his kind' even if it's a fucking mess.

Read a 'interview with the public' (hearing? I don't know what they are called) where he was asked about abortion laws and he just keeps dodging the question over and over, even asking back to the interview about his religion. At the end he just said he was pro life but nothing on what would happen to women that had illegal abortions or even if he would make it illegal.

Same with the stupid wall. He just says he will put a wall on the border. rarely talks about the specifics of it and every time he ups the price. When people started asking about why should they pay so much for it, he says Mexico is going to pay for it and they are going to force them. Good fucking luck getting Congress agree with that. Either they declare war that everyone in the word would oppose, or try to quarantine the country like with Cuba, but unlike the island country, Mexico would have an easier time looking for other countries to trade with.
And on the way, the US would lose all their cheap goods and foods they get from the spics. Now the low minimum wage will have even less purchasing power.

>>81499651
>he'd probably go third party like the idiot he is
That'd essentially split the republican party in half and prevent them from winning any elections for quite a while.

>>81499724
hence idiot

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>>81499542

Chicanos are truly the worst.

>>81499741
More like just as planned.

>>81499710
>low minimum wage
thanks, CA and NY

>>81499724
Not really in half as a lot of Trump support comes from citizens who were traditionally non-participants in the electoral system. I'd like to know what percentage of trumps voters are from the republicans trusted base

>>81499741
Not really idiotic, he doesn't give a shit about the republican party so it's more him being vindictive and fucking them over.

>>81499681
>the democrats might have enough of a low voter turnout for the general elections that Trump might just become president.

despite the general incompetence of the DNC, Trump and his campaign have done an excellent job of galvanizing minority voters (specifically hispanics). They're more motivated to vote simply to spite him, more than they ever were in past elections. Trump really doesn't have much of a chance in the general, but don't let facts get in the way of some good memes.

>>81499766
>someone wants to focus on making the shitters of your people gtfo
>bad

If Trump said he'd ship off all of the skinheads or whatever is your race's embarrassment, wouldn't you want that?

>>81499809
I wouldn't scoff at meme magic anon

>>81499724

It would be nice to go back to the Democratic Party complaining that the Republicans are blocking them from accomplishing anything instead of having them complain how they can't stop the Republicans from doing evil things.

Good ol' Helpless Party should be back in control.

>>81499809
True, Trump being the opposing candidate would mobilize so many non voters into going "oh god anyone but him" mode.

>>81499785
I would not be surprised at all to find out Shillary put Trump up for this. Introduce an inflammatory candidate on the right so everyone shuts up and supports her out of fear

>>81499741
But why? Trump doesn't care about the Republican Party. The establishment has been nothing but dicks to him. Splitting the party in two would probably make him ecstatic.
>>81499710
Yes I'm sure Guatemala will be as Lucrative a trade partner as the US is.

>>81499866
he's high on his own ego, so he'd think he'd be able to win the whole enchilada

>>81499866
how about China or Russia wanting a good buddy right on the US border?

>>81499835
How many people died in that plane crash in Les Baines? The plane that had "4U" as part of the code printed on its tale?

>>81499889
He has a better shot doing that than by not running.

>>81499929
Not to mention I doubt we could get any of our allies in europe or elsewhere to follow suit on the sanctions like we did with Iran

>>81499839
>It would be nice to go back to the Democratic Party complaining that the Republicans are blocking them from accomplishing anything

Where have you been the past 8 years?

>>81499945
150

>>81499866

Splitting the party in two would do the US some good, assuming that both after-parties went on a mad-grab for supporters and didn't both try to fight over the same demographics.

>>81500004
unless the Democrats split too, it'd be doomed to failure

but hey, they might!

>>81499989

Aren't the Republicans in control now? I thought we were in "helpless to stop them" mode?

>>81499261

maybe it was implying that he was jerking off on the flowers

>>81500059
The "obstructionist" GOP congress is something the Obama administration bleated about before they controlled both the house and the senate

>>81494492
CHOO CHOO said the Cruz Engine

>>81500035

I dunno... The Democrats are getting pretty entrenched in war-mongering and heavy-handed government control now. There have to be more than a few blues that would switch sides to a more 60s-style liberal red party offshoot.

>>81500117

I'm Non American
But shouldn't the Democratic Party control half of it as well? So why wouldn't the Republicans have the same problem?

>>81500055
Ignoring any measure to try to stop new migrants from crossing over, deportations itself is a pipe dream that would cost a fortune and ultimately wouldn't be anywhere near successful. All while Trump is claiming he won't lower taxes and will pay off ALL OF THE NATIONAL DEBT.


bottom line is no one in power actually wants to see an end to illegal immigration. Democrats benefit from the demographic growth, as Hispanics are still loyal dem voters and Republican benefit because large corporations want a vulnerable working class they can pay in peanuts.

>>81500173
Senators and congressmen are directly determined by voters

>>81497915
Only if the next Bush is an unlikely looking but ultimately quite competent choice like Claudius. I wouldn't care if he looked like Gomer Pyle as long as he was actually not a fuckwit and had decent policies.

Although, that's not happening.

I hope the Democrats beat the living shit out of the Republicans and everything they stand for from now until the crack of doom, at least in the Presidential elections, and hopefully more.

(Or as long as can be achieved, at least long enough to force some reform/compromise. And if not, well, fuck the Red States.)

>>81499394
Too bad he is still a Republican so that makes him automatically on the wrong side.

>>81500269
But if Obama won (Democrats) then wouldn't that mean most voters are Democrats and would vote for dem congressmen?

>>81498535
Blew my mind when I read that the first time.

>>81500286
the right sees the left as confused and misguided
the left sees the right as evil malicious monsters

choose the side of peace, friend

>>81498023
I get mad listening to him and I have a penis. It's not like he has the market cornered on men. It's more like a certain category of men like him a LOT, and women in general fucking hate him, by a huge margin, along with minorities.

Hence him getting the tar beaten out of him in a hypothetical contest with Hillary and/or Bernie.

>>81500270
Probably, but I wouldn't count out a brokered convention to pick someone other than Trump. Republicans know that will ensure they lose in november, but they know Trump can't win either and worry what effect he'll have on their congressional elections

>>81500324
there are elections every two years when most of the senate and congress votes happen

public opinion can shift, voter demographics can change, Republicans in Congress can redraw district lines to ensure Republican victories

>>81500380
>worry what effect he'll have on their congressional elections
The Republican voter base doesn't really give that much of a shit for long term planning

>>81499710
What's worse is that his supporters don't really care that his promises are insane. They just hear
>I'M GONNA BUILD A WALL AND KEEP THE WETBACKS OUT, AND I'M GONNA MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT
And they clap and cheer and don't stop to think that there's no way he can make them do that. Even his bizarre explanations like sending the military into Mexico to make them pay or stopping all wire transfers are downright idiotic and would be impossible to get approved let alone to actually pull off, but to his supporters it just sounds like "wow, finally someone's getting shit done!"

>>81500366
they hate him because he's the only one that is treating them like capable humans and not trying to trick them by offering free stuff

>>81500359
They both see each other as evil, the right claims the left is godless and wants to destroy institutions like marriage

>>81500324
the President is not decided by the popular vote, so not necessarily

>>81500447
>left is godless and wants to destroy institutions like marriage
that is pretty true though
whether you see that as a negative or not is another story, but the left absolutely is godless and trying to destroy traditional social conventions by a much larger margin than the right

>>81499288
he may not be actually racist or sexist, but he does employ a very 'us vs THEM' (as in groups of people, no corporations like sanders), sees groups of people as monoliths, and does attract an awful lot of racist types.

>>81500453
>the President is not decided by the popular vote

Don't remind me. Christ, our country is so fucking backwards. Refusing to adopt the metric system, daylight savings, the electoral college, I could go on

>>81500538
Don't forget the caucus system

>>81500538
superdelegates, gerrymandering being allowed, caucuses...

the voters don't but the party establishment is the one responsible for pushing these two other candidates and angling for a brokered convention. The two parties's strategists are always Machiavellian

>>81500324

usually midterms go to the party opposite the Pres as a reaction to their win, meaning they didn't fulfill the promises and people mad.

>>81500538
>>81500576
2 deep 4 u

the founders stuff. DST is stupid, WE WON THE WAR

>>81500593
>gerrymandering
This is honestly the worst.
Like the others you can kinda see the history and how it worked and how it is supposed to work.

But gerrymandering is just so transparently dishonest.
I don't know how it isn't controlled more.
I get why the ability to redraw lines exist, but come on, there really needs to be better oversight.

>>81500429
I feel like BUILD A WALL is the only thing his opponents hear. Never mind the most fair, rock solid tax code ever proposed. or lowering the cost of healthcare by allowing people to buy it from out of state. or improving aid tohomeless for phychological issues and substance abuse problems
Forget all that shit! he's a jerk so I don't like him

I get it, hes a blowhard and acts like a cunt, but his policies are mostly very good

>>81500429
He's become such a parody of a political candidate and the best part is that it's worked. It took the GOP ages to figure out how to even react to his bullshit that by the time they realized he wasn't just on a massive publicity tour and was an actual, legitimate threat to them it was already too late and the damage was done. Now they're scrambling to mitigate it as much as they can. A lot of GOP leaders are less concerned with actually winning the presidency and more concerned with not letting Trump take over the party. They can afford to lose the election, hope for wins in down-ticket races (which is where the real meat is anyway) and keep the party unified, but they can't afford to have Trump permanently alter the party's core.

>>81499542
>illegals are giving us a bad name

true story, the most american and successful family I know is illegal. One sister became a nurse at 18, one is a manager at in-n-out and has a nice ass car, the father is a construction manager (or whatever they're called), the mom works at disneyland at a pretty good position, and the son is basically mexican Lex Luthor.
He's model-handsome, in top shape, works a great job at boeing, etc.

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>>81500434
>free wall

>>81500715
>Never mind the most fair, rock solid tax code ever proposed
You're joking, right?

>>81500720
>doing all that without paying taxes
Get them the fuck out of the country

>>81500715
>lower taxes
>while building an impractical wall
>strengthening the military
>improving social welfare for the homeless (which is kind of random)
is it

>>81500531
but sanders meanwhile says openly racist things and nobody gives a shit
black lives matter is a racist black supremacy movement, don't pretend its anything else

>>81500782
It's totally true.
Look it up.
Even the articles that try to criticize it cherry picj lines that articles that actually praise it

>>81500715
>Never mind the most fair, rock solid tax code ever proposed. or lowering the cost of healthcare by allowing people to buy it from out of state. or improving aid tohomeless for phychological issues and substance abuse problems
He makes promises that sound good but has no actual plan to make them work. Granted, that's most politicians to begin with, but the reason the wall keeps getting brought up is because it's the best illustration of how he's approaching policy: say something that people want to hear and don't worry about how the fuck it's supposed to work.

>>81500782
Trickle down economics works, so let's keep doing it. What's your beef bro?

>>81500793
they're all trying to get citizenships, yo
hard, long, expensive process.
they're the most wholesome people I know, genuinely selfless, always willing to helpm etc etc.

>>81500739
>when the sun hits the WALL just right

>>81500852
>black lives matter is a black supremacy movement
Trump's supporters are a joke.

>>81498535
I don't get why people didn't like that one. It's a kid who wants a costume way outside the knowledge/ability of his mother. I remember doing the same thing, the warhammer 40k reference is secondary to the joke.

>>81500852
it's a badly organized, frequently violent&disorderly reactionary movement

but don't go spouting nonsense now

>>81500782
if you make less than 25k a year you pay 0% income tax
if you are married and your household income is under 50k you pay 0% income tax a year
and there is a progressive lean where high earners pay a higher percentage with a simplified code so millionaires can't make deductions on expensive luxury items, and penalties for movie money off shore

democrats should be cumming in their fucking pants over his tax code

>>81500852
...no it's not.
just because a handful of people say stupid ass, fucked up things doesn't mean they speak for the whole movement.
BLM is just meant to bring attention to how black lives never seem to matter to the media or american culture at large. anything any individual tells you about the movement beyond that is just their personal view.

>>81500894
what's the problem? don't you think all lives matter? are you a bigot or something?

I'm more excited over Sanders winning Wisconsin honestly.

This election is between Clinton and Sanders in the end, the Republican party is just a sideshow.

>>81500965
hospital? what?
nigga, mexico is fucked up beyond repair.
they're safe here. they've already established their lives here. the sons and daughters were raised here, they were just born in mexico.

>>81500970
>black lives never seem to matter to the media or american culture at large
thats complete nonsense. any time a black person has anything done to them by a white person there is a media shit storm. Meanwhile they actively bury cases of black on white violence.

>>81500965
I went to a Chinese restaurant that had illegals working in it and I got raped five times.

The chow mein was pretty good though.

>>81500809
not to mention
>lower taxes
>build wall
>deport all illegals
>rebuild military (already spend 600 billion)
>fight ISIS
>all while paying off ALL TWENTY TRILLION dollars of debt


all predicated on his plan to make great trade deals because he's a negotiator. Ignoring the very real possibility that other countries will simply say no.

>>81500965
Get off your soapbox, illegals risk all kinds of danger trying to sneak through the border so they can come over here and work shit paying jobs

and we post on 4chan

>>81500970
BLM wants cops dead

>>81501031
>hospital? what?
>nurse
Unless you mean looking after abuela counts as a "nurse".

>>81501060
Hell other countries are already going "yeah, nah" at the idea of negotiating with Trump

>>81500970
>black lives never seem to matter to the media or american culture at large.
As much as they like to put us in the media and broadcast the movement and events that spark outrage?
I'm not quite buying it

>>81500965

You clearly don't know shit.
I have to pay more than 100 USD (more than 17000 pesos) to get a tourist visa for like 6 years. I'm sure a working visa would be just if not more expensive but also harder to get. This people live with 100 or less pesos per day, of course no one is going to save up that kind of money to work legaly when Americans allow them to work illegaly.

>>81501060
it's amazing how anybody could have a problem with most of the things on that list

>>81500950
because saying literally half the working class pays 0% income tax is comically unfeasible

>>81501175
you either want millionaires to carry the tax load or you don't. He does
you know if that idea came from bernie people would be gobbling that shit up

but no, he thinks taxing the poor even more is going to make their situation better

>>81501044
A brown guy mopping the floor looked at me once

I still feel unclean. I don't think I'll ever recover.

>>81494492
Anyone else not give a shit?

After the Bush and Obama administrations, I've learned that the public will complain no matter what happens.

Even if we achieved Utopia and the world becomes a paradise, we'll complain that the Pina Coladas will taste too sweet.

>But Trump is gonna be the next Hitler!
That's what people say about EVERY bad guy candidate.

>>81501198
not that anon, but it's entirely possible they worked lower paying jobs to make enough money to pay for legitimate work visas before their current positions

>>81501060
>. Ignoring the very real possibility that other countries will simply say no.

Specially those rich Saudi/Qatari/ Uhr Muslims that surely love his comments about their religion.

>>81501166
rebuilding the military is retarded because it implies it needs to be built back up in the first place. We have the largest military in the world, we spend more than the next 8 biggest military spenders combined, there is no threat in the world that can be solved by throwing more money at it. The terrorist insurgents we deal with are a much trickier issue that requires finesse not nukes or tanks. The only thing Trump has said that I support is the idea of making our allies in NATO carry their fair share of military spending because we need to cut the fuck back.

>>81501198
Christ, go do undercover investigations for Consumer Reports then if "standards" and "corruption" in businesses mean so much to you

or most likely, keep impotently whining about it over the internet

>>81501305
No, it's cool, Trump will fix everything and lead us into a golden utopia where all of our dreams will come true

>>81501305
I bet you don't laugh so lightly about "standards" when you eat at restaurants

>>81501225
I mean

socialism does mean everyone helps out

and really? a full tenth of the population or more pays no income tax? are you retarded?

>>81501272
I could get behind punishing the employers who utilize illegal work forces before I'd get behind massive deportation. It get to the root of the problem and would cost a fuckton less than trying to deport them. Plus employers exploit the fuck out of illegal workers because they know they have no recourse. Of coarse I'd couple that with a path to citizenship for those already here.

>>81501362
I care about business standards, I just don't try to use them to justify my xenophobia or racism

Just say you don't want more brown people taking white jobs man. You know that's what really bothers you.

>>81501294
cutbacks can be made but need to be made smartly, and money can be reinvested into other things

for example, why the tits is the united states still occupying germany and japan?

>>81501365
I don't want to help out.
I'm being fully honest here, I want to do as little as possible and spend my days fapping and playing videogames. I Stopped working full time last september and made the life choice that I refuse to ever work 40 hours a week again. Even 20 would be pushing it
Right now I do about 10, in cash, don't pay taxes

>>81501502
fair enough

>>81501436
It's honestly about hegemony. By making so many countries reliant on our military might, we stay in control of global politics

>>81501502
>I'm being fully honest here, I want to do as little as possible and spend my days fapping and playing videogames.
Well everyone does but it doesn't really work that way

>>81501531
would this be on our side of the wall or their side

>>81501531
>cheat us out of our jobs and be parasites in a country that isnt theres

So working on a field harvesting vegetables is your dream job?

Americans made the illegal worked climate possible and this started way back when Chinese immigrants worked like slaves in railroads. But now is the spics fault for wanting to be freeloaders

>>81501502
>I want to do what literally everyone else in the entire world wants to do
well aren't you special

>>81501029
The other way around m8. Republicans have the most coverage by far right now and Dems have the lowest voter turn out. Lets see if that changes during the general election

>>81501581
on top of the fall
on poles

>>81501236
He's just even more inept. However considering how many delegates have to vote for him it's very well possible that an open convention is going to happen and fuck him because politicians realize he's poison.

>>81501569
but if nobody /makes/ me, I'm not going to do anything. I'm already looking to try and get government healthcare and food stamps.
housing would be good too

I'm not being a leech for the sake of leeching, if I had a lot of money I would just live on that. Play the lotto a lot.

>>81501621
>So working on a field harvesting vegetables is your dream job?
Plenty of good Americans willing to do that.
The issue is that the companies can squeeze out another yacht for their CEO, another sports car for the middle manager, by paying their base workers lower than minimum.

Allowing illegals is exasperates corporate greed.

There needs to be a watchdog with teeth to eliminate that type of behavior.

>>81501642
I'm not even Democrate and I'm going to vote for those two before I even side with Trump. Anyone who'd vote for that man is retarded or ironically doing it and is retarded for not realizing the consequences.

>>81501642
Higher primary turnouts don't correlate to the general. Hillary's "inevitability" factor also correlates with the low turn out. Less dems are voting because they already assume Clinton will be the nominee. Whereas the republican primary was a free for all and now is a "battle for the GOPs soul" which will probably end in a decline in the general depending on who they pick.

>>81501716
And if that happens he'll just run third party, not even for the sake of winning but just for the sheer spite.

The danger here isn't even really Trump himself, whether he gets screwed out of the candidacy or not he's not going to be president. The danger is what do his supporters do after the GOP has turned their back on them and their candidate fails? There's a strong chance this is just going to turn into Tea Party 2: Tea Partier.

>>81501793
Voting for Clinton is worse, imo.
She's by far the most corrupt and corporately minded of the potential nominees.

Voting for her is agreeing with all the worse things the government has done in the last 15 years.

>>81501793
What consequences? Worst case scenario he's a lame duck president.
Best Case America is made Great Again

>>81501676
but if the wall is hella high, how would they see the bodies?

>>81501837
The GOP is dead.
It's going to be revived next election cycle with a snazzy new face sewed onto the old one.

Trump has done his damage.

>>81501858

Worse case he puts America in a bigger debt they are already. Fuck, his slogan is based on Ronald Regan's and he was the imbecile that God the hole America is in now.

>>81501890
That's what I'm afraid of. What sort of beast is going to rise from the ashes?

>>81501890
funny how in 2012 analysts said that the GOP was going to rebrand to appeal to Hispanic voters. Look at Jeb, Rubio, and Cruz you'd think that almost work, but Trump set that branding initiative back a decade.

>>81501943
why would a wolf even ask

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>>81494492

I honestly feel like I should vote for Trump.

He's honest, he's direct, he's bold. The man could well be the Teddy Roosevelt of our generation. Hell, who better than a multi-billionaire to save the US economy? He obviously knows how to manage money, and though he came from money, his massive fortune and success is MOSTLY self-made, unlike the Harvard and Yale rich kids we've had in the Oval Office.

Maybe he's not the president that America wants, but he is the president that America NEEDS.

Obama was supposed to save the world, and what did he do? Go to war with Syria, keep on fighting in the Middle East (after he promised to withdraw all our soldiers and bring them home, anyone else remember that?) and try his best to take away the Right to Bear Arms?

America needs to mean something, again.

>>81501840
Not when Trump is literally a snake oil sales man who is going to be sued by his former college students because his college is a scam like almost all of his ventures. If he wasn't born rich he'd be fucked.

>>81501965
>supporting Israel
shalom

>>81501960
Ironically doesn't Trump get most the Hispanics in the party anyways?

>>81501943
When people comment about democratic systems being like this, I do wonder what alternatives they might propose?

Perhaps a return to monarchy?

>>81501975
every business venture other than his real estate failed

and we all know how the real estate market turned out

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>>81500429
Didn't he send a letter to the Washington Post explaining it?

>>81501932
The true lesson of Trump is that he doesn't define himself with relationship to the Democrats.
During the last 8 years, they've essentially branded themselves as "We just say no to the Dems". They're totally reactionary.

Trump, for all his faults, is his own man. He says what he wants. He says what he thinks. He doesn't give a shit about anyone else.
He has high energy.

That's what people want.
Someone to lead, not to spite the other guys.

If the GOP learns anything, it'll have to be that.

>>81501975

Is this a pasta? I swear I have seen some parts of it before.

>>81502037
most want a libertarian society without really thinking about what that means

>>81501975
this rich candidate=good for the economy meme needs to stop. It's one thing to know how to succeed in a single market as it exists, and its another to be in control of all the markets and what to manipulate or not manipulate to stimulate the economy.

Here's an example, sure Trump is rich so we should take his advice on economics? and yet Warren Buffet is much much much richer and he says much the opposite, so we should listen to him instead?

>>81501975
>He's honest, he's direct, he's bold.
That'd be great if he knew what the hell he was doing. The guy barely has any idea how the presidency works and keeps making all these outlandish promises, and you're falling for it because "well golly he sure sounds tough."

>>81502069
The only fucking thing trump does is being a big bully.

>>81502122
You sound like a big fat mess.

>>81502122
poor Yeb

>>81502122
Can you really tell me with a straight face that any of the other Republican candidates didn't deserve those bantz?

>>81502122
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't brought up Ted Cruz being the Zodiac Killer but for serious

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>>81502100
Apparently if Trump had just put his money into bonds and then done absolutely nothing he'd be ridiculously rich. Thanks to decades of failed ventures and bad strategies, he's only "pretty rich." He's richer than any of us, but he's not quite the top-tier super-billionaire he likes to say he is.

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>>81502120
Maybe you should read what he has actually proposed instead of listening to soundbites off John Oliver.
He treats the debates like the clown show they are.
It's all just jerking off in front of the crowd.

You want to know how he'll really do as a president, read his official statements.

You'll find them surprisingly rational.
You don't become a billionaire while being an idiot.

>>81502140
>>81502154
And this is what trump supportes are. Idiots who only likes trump because of remixed meme videos.

>>81502122
Yeb!

>>81502243

Just a rich dad!

>>81502243
>You don't become a billionaire while being an idiot.
Yeeeeeah you may want to read up on his business history...

>>81502243
see
>>81502242

>>81502243
You do when all you are doing is buying and selling land all you have to know is market sense and getting people to pay more for the land and sell it to you for less. He was born rich, which I don't know if you know that.

His statements are written by people smarter than him but even then they are completely unrealistic.

>>81502069
>He says what he wants. He says what he thinks. He doesn't give a shit about anyone else.
>He has high energy.

>this is all it takes to convince a good portion of America that he would be a good leader.

As the saying goes in my country, the people get the government they deserve.
Hopefully, this 4 years will go fast.

>>81501166
It's not that people have a problem with those things it's that you can't do any of them if you do the first one.

>>81501618
>tfw someone responds to your halfassed b8 with a well thought out and eloquent reply

Damn. I'm lower than garbage. I should aspire to reach garbage's level.

I don't wanna sell you deathsticks
I wanna go home and rethink my life

>>81502056
So he made a few mistakes.

He's STILL a multi-billionaire

He STILL owns a major company in New York City

And he STILL is the image of a self-made, successful businessman and entrepreneur.

>>81502243
>You don't become a billionaire while being an idiot.
If you've actually looked at his business portfolio it's full of failures. He's clever enough to turn bankruptcy to his advantage but it also means he hasn't actually gotten as rich as he wants to be (though he still pretends he is).

>>81502242
I don't think he even actually qualifies as a billionaire, let alone a multi-billionaire.

>>81501741
I'd really love to meet any american who would work for less than five dollars per hour, let alone per day. That or watch as food prices go upwards of two or three hundred percent in cost.

>>81502332
>self made

What do you think this means exactly.

>>81502332
There's a reason why he'll never be able to get a casino license in Las Vegas. He can only run a hotel, no gambling. In Vegas.

Actual super-rich business tycoons despise Trump for his unfounded arrogance and ineptitude

>>81502332
He was born rich. he wasn't self-made at all. People think he's selfmade because he looks like white trash but he he wasn't. He got where he was because of his family and cunning not because of his intelligence.

>>81502300
That's not it entirely.
The issue is that the GOP has been so reactionary in the last 8 years that anyone with their own opinion seems like a breath of fresh air.
It's just the way the pendulum swings.

In 4 years, the party will really get started with the GOP 2.0 and a bunch of pissed off college graduates with more influence than ever.

>>81502332
>a few
literally
every
venture
outside of real estate

and you know what's outside of real estate? Politics!

>>81502332
Again I'll bring up the comparison. Warren Buffet is MUCH richer than Trump. By your own logic the effort it took for him to accumulate that wealth makes him qualified to make decisions that effect the entire country. By your logic we should trust what Buffet says. He endorsed Hillary Clinton.

>>81502332
>And he STILL is the image of a self-made, successful businessman and entrepreneur.
That's what he's selling, though. The image. He doesn't need to actually be as rich or as successful or as savvy as he claims he is, people will still believe he is if he says it enough.

I think after decades of this even Trump has started to believe his own hype.

>>81502332
>And he STILL is the image of a self-made, successful businessman and entrepreneur.

That's because he is such an narcissist that his companies have his name, so you will remeber the Trump building though no one will really remeber Trump Airlines, and he also made a shit ton of comercial boasting how rich he was.

>>81501975
from what I can tell, the issue with Trump is that a lot of his plans hinge on his ability to negotiate when he's already angered a lot of people he plans to negotiate with.

>>81502332
>And he STILL is the image of a self-made, successful businessman and entrepreneur.
Where did this come from? I've always seen him as a joke. Like he's rich yeah, but I've never once thought 'I wish I was like Donald Trump'.

>>81502062
>Didn't he send a letter to the Washington Post explaining it?

His "plan" seems to revolve around finding a way to fund it from either the trade deficit, tariffs, or remittances.

Using the trade deficit makes little sense, because just because I buy $10 of your stuff and you buy $5 of mine, it doesn't mean you owe me $5. It's not logical that we'd have 120 million poorer Mexicans buy the same value of products from the US as 300 million relatively richer Americans would buy from dirt-cheap Mexico. And it's certainly not criminal.

Plus, the state that is Mexico isn't getting the trade deficit, because we're talking about business interactions, not state-to-state shit. This means that if tariffs are applied on Mexican goods to fund the wall, all you'll have is more expensive goods from Mexico which AMERICAN CONSUMERS will pay for, and a bunch of angry American businesses who have their supply chains disrupted.

Or, you could take the money from remittances, i.e. fund the wall by appropriating money Mexicans in the States send back to Mexico. Because of course, all these families will continue to send money, even when they know it's not going to Mexico, and definitely won't find ways to circumvent it (bitcoin, crossing over with cash), and definitely won't impact people who have entered legally.

>>81502298
>His statements are written by people smarter than him but even then they are completely unrealistic.

Welcome to every single political campaign in the history of mankind.

I swear the reason why /co/ is so afraid of /pol/ is that they're actually worse in politic than /pol/ ever was by parroting off shits from liberal news site.

>>81502449
I mean just read that letter by one of his campaign planners

>>81502408
>That or watch as food prices go upwards of two or three hundred percent in cost.
You imply that the companies who pay the workers are just barely making by and that in order to pay minimum wage, they'd have to jack up the price.
The truth is that they're making record profits.

Paying farm workers minimum wage isn't going to bankrupt the food industry nor jack up the prices.
All it'll do is reduce the total profit by a few percent.

>>81502449
>I think after decades of this even Trump has started to believe his own hype.
I don't think there was ever a time where he didn't believe it.

>>81502243

Shoo, shoo, slimey limey

>>81499394
Pretty sure he's both, just no one notices because he doesn't get any airtime.

>>81502462
It's fucking America, dude.
The rest of the world can be mad all they want.
They still need to deal with us on our terms.

>>81502493
Some are more unrealistic than others you mong.

>>81502520
>nor jack up the price
they don't have to, but they would

>>81502554
That and Trump and Cruz make him look normal by comparison.

>>81502520
That's the meme all the rich want to spread.

>>81502493
No one is afraid of /pol/. Most just want them to stay in their containment board.

>>81502558
>They still need to deal with us on our terms.
Yeah, that's not how foreign policy works. We rely much more heavily on other countries then you seem to think. That's why negotiation is necessary to begin with.

>>81500170
The problem with the democrats is that the most vocal dem voters don't vote. The facebook-liking 18-20something who supports bernie not voting isn't just a meme. They just don't go out and vote, i know half a dozen people who supported bernie. who i offered to drive to the polling station (me being a trump supporter), and they weren't even registered. IMO it's because people who go alt-right tend to already be interested in politics, those who go alt-left end to be new or disaffected. New/disaffected isn't a recipe for a split like the republicans. And you're always going to have your mainstream voters who turn out and vote for the establishment like clockwork because they want to be on the winning side and "by god we can't let the communists/fascists" win.

>>81502475
This. We get so much shit from Mexico. He wants to increase tariffs by upwards of 35% then expect meat, electronics, cars, gas, vegetables and a shit load of other things to increase by 35%.

>>81502575
Playing with food prices is a real dangerous game considering that people are incredibly sensitive to it.
People will flock to whatever's cheapest.
If prices rise, they won't pay more, they'll buy less and eat more McDonalds

>>81502657
>then expect meat, electronics, cars, gas, vegetables and a shit load of other things to increase by 35%.
It won't because then non-Mexican sources of those commodities will still be cheap and people will just buy those instead.
We get a lot from Mexico, yeah, but not everything.

>>81502558
>They still need to deal with us on our terms.

Not if Trump has his way and backs America off the international stage ;)

>>81501166
No one has a problem with them, its just they're all contradictory. Where are you going to get the money to build a wall if you're going to lower taxes? And then go on to spend money to rebuild the military, fight ISIS all while lowering the debt.

People are taking everything he says in a vacuum and not seeing how they effect previous statements.

>>81502728
Trump plans to do the same to China and the like. He genuinly believes his negotiating skills can get us massively one sided trade deals

>>81502657
but a huge amount of the US's food comes from California

>>81502332
>self-made
No.

>>81502788
Well then go read this tax system and see how it'll happen.

Besides, he's not actually going to build a wall. It's just a negotiating tactic. You open ridiculously higher than what you want, then you "compromise" down to what you really want.

>>81502728
>It won't because then non-Mexican sources of those commodities will still be cheap and people will just buy those instead.

What happens if Trump's busy starting trade wars with China and Japan as well? He's said they're killing America, and he's made it clear that he's completely fine with putting tariffs on their goods, too.

You can make do without Mexico, or Japan, or maybe even China. Trying to make do without all three would be a disaster, especially given that all three are highly linked to America's supply chains due to them being able to do stuff other countries can't (yes, even Mexico, if only by virtue of it being so close that transportation costs are low).

>>81502558
And how do you propose we make them deal on our terms?

I believe america's a strong country. But not that strong. NEVER that strong.

>>81502799
The trade deals aren't one-sided. What people fail to grasp is that things like NAFTA and the TPP aren't zero-sum games.

Benefit to one party isn't directly proportional to disadvantage of the other.

>>81500429
>sending the military into Mexico
Wait, what?

That's a new one on me.

>>81502941
American corporations are still the strongest in the world.
Largest single free market.

That's all there is to it.
It's not that they will be forced to play ball, it's that not by not cooperating, they have so much more to lose.

It's just more profitable and even if they take a hit on that profit, it's still more money than anywhere else.

>>81502520
But here's the thing, they want profit above all else. Whether the wage stays down or the cost goes up, they don't give a shit, and they'll get it whichever way works.

>>81502891
>Besides, he's not actually going to build a wall. It's just a negotiating tactic. You open ridiculously higher than what you want, then you "compromise" down to what you really want.

His anchor is fucking retarded in this and other prospective negotiations. He's not going to be able to reduce the cost of the wall, because it's likely more expensive than his US$10 billion, and he's offered nothing he'll fold in to the deal.

>>81502807
>>81502728
Almost 30% of our food is imported, and most of that comes from Mexico or countries that have to ship through Mexico to get to us. If you eat an avocado there is a 50% chance it's from Mexico.
If we start fucking with how much we charge them, they will also raise prices.

>>81503082
>He's not going to be able to reduce the cost of the wall,
Did you not read what I said?
He never wants to build a wall.
He'll compromise and give the Department of Immigration teeth.
Same end, and he'll seem all the more progressive for it

>>81503096
This shit begins to sound like the fall of Trantor in Asimov's Foundation saga.

>>81503015
>American corporations are still the strongest in the world.
>Largest single free market.

Not much of a free market if Trump has to nationalize corporations, or at the very least centrally plan them, in order to make them work against their international profits.

Do you really think American corporations won't "take a hit on that profit" as well?

>>81503127
yeah, and Mexico know he's never going to build the wall, so his opening tactic has no teeth

>>81503081
>they'll get it whichever way works.
Exactly.
Modern food prices are calculated to by the highest they can possibly be without causing people to just stop and go to fast food instead.

You can't get them any higher without people turning away.

Making them comply with the law won't result in having 30 dollar fucking package of carrots.

>>81501943
>>81501964
Why wouldn't the sheep have ran away back to the herd once it saw a wolf?

Why did the sheep stray from its herd?

>>81503208
and where the fuck is the sheepdog?

>>81503127
>He'll compromise and give the Department of Immigration teeth.

Well, it's nice to see that a 4channer has parsed out the secret negotiating tactic that the Mexican government would never have seen coming, until you leaked "He never wants to build a wall."

Then why involve Mexico? Most of the illegals are people getting legal American visas, then overstaying. Mexico has zero authority over the American visa process, so threatening punishment on a country that's not responsible for the issue is retarded.

>>81502558
>It's fucking America, dude.
>The rest of the world can be mad all they want.
>They still need to deal with us on our terms


This is what Americans actually believe. American exceptionalism. America number 1 and only. America best.
Hate to break it to you, but your power, wealth, and credibility as a nation has been going to shit ever since 9/11.


Unilateral invasions.

Destabilizing entire regions.

Backwards financial system leading to global economic meltdown and massive debt.

Patriot act.

Freakshow legislative deadlock.

Trump.

Mass surveillance.

Police shootings.


Over the past 15 years, you've pissed on everything your country was supposed to stand for, caused chaos, destruction, famine and war.


Sorry to break it to you, but the rest of the world, your allies included, have lost nearly all respect for America. 'Dealing' with the states has largely become a matter of convenience because you're in no position, either morally or strategically, to dictate shit to anyone.

Why do you think everyone from Putin to Assad to Kim Jong Un laughs in your faces when you make demands?

>>81503164
I have one word that will destroy all that. Lobbying.

>>81503260
Department of Immigration also oversees deportation, bruh

>>81502891
What does he really want? His website says he plans on building a wall. Every time I bring this up I hear different interpretations from "He can pay for it himself since he's rich", "his tax plan will pay for it" and now it's "he doesn't really want to build a wall"

That doesn't even go into the other things that will still need money such as fighting ISIS, multiple reforms and paying off the debt. Where is this money coming from if he's cutting taxes for the majority of the working class and businesses alike. The 4 bracket looks nice on paper, but what does the population look like divided into those brackets? The dude is just saying things that people want to hear.

>>81501975
Bernie's actually a lot closer to Teddy in ideology

>>81503314
>The dude is just saying things that people want to hear.
P O L I T I C S
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>>81503266
>15
more like 36ish

>>81503308
Again, not Mexico's responsibility, unless you want Mexican officials raiding houses on U.S. soil as they hunt their citizens? If anything, the wall's a negotiating tactic against Congress and the Senate, not Mexico.

>>81503314
He's selling a product. And it's bullshit.

>>81503314
>What does he really want?
To reduce the amount of illegals.

The wall thing is just a starting position.
From there, he can say "Ok ok, my opponents have wrestled me down but I won't give up. I'll create more inspectors and start an employee census"
It'll be expensive but cheaper than a wall and he'll still look tougher than any naysayer on the issue, and he'll look like someone willing to negotiate.

Trump is just one man. He's riding on his satirical image and bravado.

I want him to win because it'd be funny. It's not that I want my country to crash and burn, but it's just that I honestly believe the country will change very little regardless of who gets elected. Congress will never let Trump do any of that extreme shit he proposed to do without nerfing it to the ground first.

I'd rather watch this buffoon on television than the wife of one of the most famous living adulterers in America.

>>81503405
Who said anything about Mexico's Department of Immigration?

>>81503412
>implying they're not exactly the same
TPP is like NAFTA on steroids

>>81503314
>>>81503430
>The dude is just saying things that people want to hear.
Like Bernie?

>>81497790
Hillary is a dud who inspires no one and what's more she acts as if this is still her husband's Democrat Party. It's not though, it's now Obama's Democrat Party.

>>81503538
Bernie's pretty consistent with his views and statements, though

like he's been saying pretty much the same things for 20 years

>>81503266
Get off of /co/, Noam Chomsky.

>>81503506
>Who said anything about Mexico's Department of Immigration?

You're saying Trump's negotiating with the Mexicans with his wall plan. But if Mexico's literally not involved in the solution (U.S. Department of Immigration), then why even negotiate with Mexico?

>>81503570
Which would be fine if his views and statements weren't crap on a cracker.

>>81503570
Where Trump will say three different views in one day.

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>>81494492
he hails hydra

>>81503605
>lets be like all the other first world countries
>this guys a fucking retard

>>81503602
>You're saying Trump's negotiating with the Mexicans with his wall plan
I never said that

>>81503696
Pardon me, Trump is saying it's a negotiation with Mexico.

>this entire thread
Further proof /co/ has the worst moderation.

>>81503133
Which was in turn based on the histories of the fall of the Roman Empire.

Or something like that, I dunno, I never learned from history.

>>81503801
>305 posts
>6 political cartoons

Embarrassing.

>>81503672
I don't know any First World countries that copy Cuba which last I checked is a shithole with rationed electricity and people driving rusted 1950s Buicks.

>>81503672
lol libtard commie spotted.

>>81503902
Hey 50s Buicks are classy as fuck.

>>81503902
Are you really this thick???

You understand that they've been under a TOTAL trade embargo from the USA for over 50 years, right?

They were incapable of purchasing *anything* that goes through any American company, regardless of the actual point of origin for the goods.

Not cars. Not medicine. Not smart phones. Not even fucking milk.


Every import that entered the country had to come from somewhere else, and be shipped there at great expense.


And yet, despite this, combined with minimal natural resources or room for industrial development on their tiny island, they've managed to build one of the best public medicine systems on the planet, and rank in the top ten for % of their population with higher education.


These are metric that countries like the United States can't even come close to competing in.

>>81504181
Ahem.

>>81503582

>>81504225
maybe Noam just likes comics but also sometimes shitposts when /pol/ shows up

>>81504286
The real Noam would say that comics are bourgeois, but I'm not the real Noam.

>>81504316
>>81504286
>>81504225
>>81503582
>Chomsky


Presumably, the systematic use of complex symbols does not affect the structure of the traditional practice of grammarians. Summarizing, then, we assume that relational information may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. We will bring evidence in favor of the following thesis: the notion of level of grammaticalness cannot be arbitrary in a parasitic gap construction. To characterize a linguistic level L, the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is not subject to an important distinction in language use. Nevertheless, the theory of syntactic features developed earlier delimits the strong generative capacity of the theory.

>>81500447
But they are both of those things.

>>81504316
he could probably bang on about how Superman is the ultimate everyman for a while

>>81500908
Did people really not like that? I thought they just had a hard time not believing it was an edit.

>>81504447
It's not an edit????

down here in Brazil there's thousands of retards who think that Cuba is some kind of Elysian Fields when it's a prison camp with rationed everything and where people risk their lives to move to the US

>>81504584
People in the US think this, too

>>81499329
and last time I checked, you don't have to be a certain race to follow that religion, so trump can't be racist since anyone of any color can follow a religion

>>81506391
ok, so he's not racist

he's just openly hateful towards a billion+ people and drawing a very unfortunate comparison to another person who wanted to and actually did put followers of an Abrahamic religion on a list to "keep track" of them

>>81499261
Heathcliff humor only works when you're baked.

>>81506569
After the shit that's been happening in fucking europe because of the immigrants. It's the only thing I agree with him on. Zero tolerance is the only way to deal with that shit.

>>81506797
Yeah? Well, its like this image I once saw. What are they going to do with all the muslims who are born american citizens? Deport them to the hospitals they came from?

>>81506890
Probably put them all into camps. Make them wear Gold moons. And then grow a little mustache. And all the bad things people think he's going to do happen.
Or the vague promise of "looking into things" amounts to the file on his parents saying "has child" that is if they have the misfortune to go on the wrong websites or a shady mosque.

>>81506797
hasn't every single terrorist attack been carried out by people born in Europe?

where does this end? Do we track every person of Middle Eastern descent going back several generations? Do we track Muslims who have no Middle Eastern heritage at all? Do we track everyone who interacts with Muslims on a regular basis? Do we track anyone who's interacted with a Muslim? Do we track everyone who's ever eaten hummus? What do we do with non-immigrant Muslims? Do we deport them (fucking where)? Imprison them? Kill them?

the reality is hilariously more complex than the narrative conservatives (not just limited to Trump) try to push

>>81506989
Why don't we just track the ones with ties to radical Islamists?

>>81507019
ok, who's that? People who have gone to the Middle East, like every Muslim tries to do at least once in their life? People who still have family back home? And do we track their families? And is that the nuclear family or the whole extended family? And the vast web of intersecting extended families? How many natural-born citizens are we now surveilling under the assumption that they are guilty until proven innocent, exactly?

>>81507121
People who regularly congregate in some form with Radical Islamists. It's not as hard as you're making it out to be. If a guy regularly interacts with White Supremacists movements I'm not going to feel bad that someone gets a red flag when he starts gearing up with fertilizer and gasoline. If it turns out he was just trying to start up a tractor company, okay.

>>81507209
I'm sure if we knew where radical Islamists regularly congregate, this wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is

>>81507316
That's why we gotta look into it. But that's just being too much like Hitler so I guess we'll just give everyone the benefit of the doubt and all those angry tweets about beheading those that are an affront to Allah were just jokes.

>>81507513
I dunno, do we really want to be wandering into the waters of closely surveilling natural-born citizens based on religion? even though yes I know the government already does that more generally

I don't see how anyone who works for a living could possibly vote for Democrats.

>>81507676
I'm ok with paying more tax in an attempt to improve the country through education

also I'm a teacher at a public school so paying taxes is kind of like a loop

>>81504527
http://familycircus.com/comics/october-31-2012/

>>81507552
So then what's the issue?
Personally I'd prefer to monitor nonindividuals like organizations than throwing a dart at a board of muslims. But Trump was purposefully vague since he obviously doesn't have a concrete plan for homegrown Muslims, just shutting off the influx until he can pretend there's a solution/understanding of ISIS.

>>81494492
I'm not following the election outside of the entertainment factor, can someone explain why they would vote for Hillary?

>>81508113
If you're trying imply trump is any better your an idiot. Anyway, I'm not American, but I think the appeal is that she's the status quo "democrat". She has name recognition too. Apparently she is involved in the assassination of two activists but hush hush.

>>81508160
>If you're trying imply trump is any better your an idiot.

I'm not implying anything. Try not to presume so much.