STOP, PLUMMETING BOX OFFICE REVENUE

>>81455746
Well THANK ZOD they didn't copy that feel-good thing the Marvel movies have been going for. Because everyone knows that's a fad that's going to collapse any second now and only a universe as morose as the DCEU will survive the cape collapse.
Just think how much worse things could have been if they'd copied a successful formula instead of making everything darkdarkdark.

On a safe guess, the movie needed to clear $500mil domestically (and at least as much worldwide, if not a lot more) to be a bonafide success. I honestly don't think it's going to happen anymore.

It didn't just drop hugely in America. It dropped massively (60%+) in every foreign box office, especially China.

So yeah, it may have made more than Man of Steel. But it honestly might not clear a 600mil foreign, 400mil domestic. So, $950mil final is a good guess.

That's ALSO ignoring the fact that it only realistically has 4 more weekends to get money, before Civil War is realized. After that, BvS's theater count will massively drop.

>>81459073
Doesn't Jungle Book open next week?

>>81455746
Now I know why Pa Kent wished to die.

>>81458544
Fuck you and your ironic quipfests.

>>81459113
Yep, and apparently critics and children love it. Disney's on a fucking rampage.

>>81458544
I'm sure the movie had a lot more wrong with it than having a depressing atmosphere.

>>81455746
But /co/ said this movie had to make $15,000,000,000,000 to be profitable!!!!

>>81455746
>dark superhero movie will die because of one man's colossal failure
We'll never get Final Crisis or Peace on Earth or a proper TDKR on screen ever now thanks Snyder

>>81459113
Different audiences. Even though BvS is PG-13 and Jungle Book is PG, it seems clear that there's a divide.

Still, you're right. It'll hurt just as much when it gets released, too.

>>81459073
It would need at least $800M to break even, at at least 10% more to considered a profit. It's not making $880M.

>>81459113
Yep, and it's getting that positive WOM. I bet Disney is kicking themselves for not releasing it this week. But they're probably more pissed that Jungle Book is going to be taking away from Zootopia's business, then taking away from BvS.

>>81459073
>On a safe guess, the movie needed to clear $500mil

shit guess, the budget is about 300 millions, includding adds.

>>81458544
Yes and ultimately its DC, which is collapsing the Comic book genre with its shitty movie.

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>>81459334
good, maybe /tv/ will finally leave then

>>81459302
And it only gets 50% of the domestic box office, and 40% of the foreign box office.

>>81455746

the movie made 700 millions in less thatn two weeks, already made its budget back and then some.


go back to /tv/ pleb

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MMMM EAT THE PENNIES ZACK

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>>81459410
>already made its budget back

>>81459302
Well theaters take half so it would need to make 600 mil to break even in that case

>>81458544
Yes, I wanted a movie with quips and characters who crack jokes while serious thing go on around them. I think a movie where you plug in characters into a formula would be great, because every character's main personality trait is that they are funny. Zod forbid anyone try anything different or have the title character remain faithful to their comic counterpart. Years from now, I will remember how each movie was distinguishable from the others.

>>81459381
>And it only gets 50% of the domestic box office

wrong again

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I just don't get it. It's not that bad a movie. It's not GREAT, but it's genuinely good.

>>81459452
>have the title character remain faithful to their comic counterpart
who did that?

>>81459456
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>81459444

already did.

And since Man of Steel outsold Iron Man 3 on blue ray dvd, you can expect this movie to sell even more

>>81459334
DC truly is the hero we deserve. Capshit movie collapse can't come soon enough. I want /tv/ to leave.

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Feels bad man.

What will everyone's reaction be when JL is delayed next week?

>>81459456
But he's not wrong

>>81459489
Do you? You're making a claim after all.

>>81459545
/tv/ will leave, and then you will all realize that the grandma's peach tea that's been spilled all over the board wasn't /tv/'s, but /co/'s very own.

>>81459452
>have the title character remain faithful to their comic counterpart.
Batman is faithful only in how hes acted but not in his actions (unless by comic counterpart you mean a more lethal dark knight returns batman in which case yeah i suppose to a degree)
and superman is...just nowhere near superman.

>>81459564

this movie is going to earn over a billion, wether is just box office or taking into account blue ray sales toys and all that shit.

don't worry, /tv/ poser, DC movieverse is here to stay

>>81459586
As long as it's because Snyder has been fired, I'll be fine with it

>>81459479
>genuinely good
No its not

>>81459302
But the studio doesn't get all of the take. Here's an explanation by Roger Ebert:
>To illustrate this, I have open in another window Regal Entertainment's most recent 10K filing with the SEC. For the year ending Dec. 29, they took in $1,842.6M at the box office. They paid out 953.7M as film rentals. Dividing, that means they paid about 51.8% of ticket revenue as film rental. No where near the percentages people sometimes think. Regal is a big company and might be able to negotiate slightly better terms but I believe the rest of the industry would be very similar.

So the studio only gets about half the ticket sales. A $300m budget means total ticket sales need to exceed $600m (assuming that budget is production+GLOBAL marketing and not just production+DOMESTIC marketing, and $300m seems a little low for global).

>>81459611
https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-box-office-revenues-goes-to-the-makers-of-the-movie

Educate yourself.

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What's worse is we're going to do this same dance when Justice League starts filming.

>>81459485
Lois Lane. Look how many times that bitch need to be saved?

>>81459614
at least we'll be talking about comics

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>>81455746
JUST ZACK MY SHIT UP

>>81459636
Yes it is.

>>81459628
Do toys still sell? I'm legit curious. I always see kids with tablets and iPhones now so I wouldn't think toys could still interest them

>>81459649
You should've gone off with that then, while making a claim like that. Specially after you go off demanding proof
I'm not even the other guy, but I had to comment: YOU need to educate yourself on how to argue. People won't just take your word for it.

In your scenario, they wouldn't make $80m profit, though. That surplus would be distributed too.

Ant-Man had $100m profit for the studio. For BvS to do the same, it'd need to make around $1b. Less than that and the profit is very small to justify the endeavor. Which is why Snyder is reported to have to meet that mark to continue.

Still, for the profile of this movie, it's pretty freaking low.

>>81459656
>>81459667
>>81459636
>>81459632

/tv/ GTFO

>>81459636
You're right, it's genuinely great.

If I'm WB, here's what I do. Sack Snyder. Delay JL, for a year, two years, however long it takes to make a string of good movies to win back the GA's trust. Give Affleck however much he wants to direct the Batman solo, and get it into production ASAP.

>>81459720
So you are full of shit, then?

>>81459367
>>81459545
>Thinking /tv/ will ever leave
We should have stopped them years ago, when TDKR came out. Now they've sunk their roots in.

Even if there weren't any superhero movies coming out in the next five years, they'd just dig up Smallville or Birds of Prey to shitpost about.

>>81459689
No
Its
Not
If your fine with eating zack synder shit then go ahead thats your right but dont sit here and tell a bold face lie that BvS was a genuinely good movie.

The pieces was there but Synder went full retard

>>81459783
But that's a smart move and wb can't into smart

>>81459628
>don't worry
>DC movieverse is here to stay
But anon, that is cause for worry, this pattern of bleakness will continue. Hope is lost.

>>81459689
>let's kill off Superman in his second film for him to only come back and cause Injustice
Fuck you and fuck Zack Snyder

>>81459700
Replace all instances of "toys" with "shat out apps."

>>81459485
No one, but DC certainly did better. Look at what Marvel did to Thor, Iron Man, Star Lord, etc. They all became quip factories, the only one who has a distinct personality and remains faithful to the intended incarnation of the character is Captain America (he's great btw). I enjoy Marvel films, but everything about them is is cookie cutter. Every character is a variation of RDJ.

>>81459564
>>81459628
We still have the R-rated version when the blu-rays come out. One of the biggest complains for the movie is the editing, this version could be better edited.

>>81459614
Yeah i'm sorry but the whole /tv/ invading bullshit is just that.
I'm sure plenty of threads get started by em, and plenty of comments are by em. But the fact is if i start up or go into a storytime thread for some old fav or obscure title or just something interesting (the kind of shit you would figure we as real comic fans would love)...fucking barren. A gottamn wasteland. You see them drop to the bottom of the page like led pellets in a sink with maybe one to two to three replies every comic these people post. People could care less than a fuck.

You bitch about some movie shit. Thread lights up like a goddamn wildfire. It doesnt even matter if its a valid original thought. Just look how many assholes in the last day have posted that same bullshit about suicide squad doing reshoots to be more quippy based entirely on one assholes article who is known to be full of shit. Well either 99.9 percent of this board is just /tv/ people now or you fuckers don't care about comic books, you just like arguing about which movies based on them are worst.

I mean if I put up two simultaneous threads. One about how black canary is gonna die and felicity will take over. and then another one which is a storytime of longbow hunters...which do you honestly think garner more interest?

>>81459916
>dour and grimacing Superman is somehow more accurate to the comics

I work at a grade school as a lunchtime supervisor, I've posted a few times before. Last week was spring break and I noticed quite a few /co/ related things.

1. There were (and have been) far more kids wearing DC related apparel than Marvel. Superman and Batman were in the lead for specific characters, in that order.

2. Way more boys were wearing comics related clothing than girls.

3. Quite a few kindergartners didn't see BvS cause their parents thought it'd be too scary for them. That being said, one of the kids only made it halfway through Ant-Man in theaters last summer because THAT was too scary.

4. Yep, Zootopia was definitely the winner of the past week or so with the kids.

5. In case anyone cares about this shit, it seems to be pretty mixed in terms of ethnicity over who wears the clothing at least.

6. Now that I think about it, Batman won with girls and Superman won with boys in terms of clothing, both by reasonable margins.

7. Teen Titans Go! is popular with the younger students, if anyone's curious about that. One family dressed up as the members for Halloween.

No, don't you guys get it. This is exactly what WB wanted. When they set out to make this movie, they told themselves they did not want this to hit a billion. and they didn't expect it break even. They're looking at the number's, and the drops now going "Good job guys, mission accomplished. Batman and Superman are going to lose to Deadpool."

>>81459893
Is Barry feeding you these script ideas from the Darkseid ruled future Earth?

>>81459842

hahahaha good then!

>>81459916
wait if the only characters DC has done aren't done like their comic counterparts...how the fuck did DC do better? To me that sounds more like 'both are doing shit, just in slightly different ways'.

It's just instead of going quippy DC went emo which if you ask me is more of a lateral movement than forward thrust.

>>81459935

/tv/ and /v/ are the worse boards and interchangeable

>>81459979
>lunchtime supervisor

what does this mean?? You watch over the kids during lunch? You supervise the lunchladies?

>>81460054
I can deal with emo, I can't take the whedonesque quipping. For me the choice is clear.

>>81459259
>BvS is PG-13
I can't wait to see the material that was cut to bring that movie from an R to PG-13. Even more graphic Batman murder? Lex pissing in a jar?

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>>81459946
Dour and grimacing Superman has been done before. But I just knew, and I'm not accusing you of doing so, that as soon as I saw the post you're responding to, which opened the can of worms, that some casual would say, "Marvel's faithful because the movies are funny." I grimaced.

>>81460093
>You watch over the kids during lunch?
I'm the guy who yells at them to eat their lunch and not do stupid stuff during recess.

>>81460119
probably just Amy Adams tiddies and that's literally it

>>81459935
The R.E.B.E.L.S. storytimes were pretty populated and don't tell me those are some high profile series.

>>81460088
/co/ is just on topic /v/ though

>>81460119
Id be so happy if the only change was that instead of piss lex is seen squatting and just dropping a turd flecked in little green bits of kryptonite into the jar of piss. And going on about gods and shit while he does it.

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>>81460039
EVERYTHING that has transpired has done so according to MY DESIGN.

>>81459946
I'll give you that, but Batman, Lois, Alfred, and Perry were on point. Superman just wanted to do the right thing, this reaction makes him human. Would it make more sense for him to be smiling and cheery while people are arguing about whether he's a danger and viewing him as a god instead of the man he is?

>>81460153
Those were part of the JSA storytimes that've been going on for over a year now.

>>81459979
>. Quite a few kindergartners didn't see BvS cause their parents thought it'd be too scary for them.

Honestly I'm surprised any kindergartners saw it all.

>That being said, one of the kids only made it halfway through Ant-Man in theaters last summer because THAT was too scary.

Some of the shrinking scenes could be pretty intense for younger viewers. Still kind of depressing to read though.

>7. Teen Titans Go! is popular with the younger students, if anyone's curious about that. One family dressed up as the members for Halloween.

Now I'm really depressed.

>>81460119
Batslaughter had no blood to adhere to the PG-13 guidelines, so I would expect that. Maybe shots of KGBeast on fire.

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>>81460127
he's not dour and grimacing the whole book, though

and that two second smile when he walks in on Lois doesn't fucking count

>>81459254
1.5 billion is probably what WB expected to make from BvS. Even if it squeaks by to make cost of the film and advertising, not making big profits from what seemed to be an easy win is a huge disappointment.

>>81460196
So?

>>81458544

I didn't want DC to be like Marvel. Being dark didn't mean it had to be bad. Imagine 8 movies coming out each year all having the exact same tone. That's a fantastic way to crash a market

>>81460153
I'm speaking more in general. Like in general when it comes to this shit honestly what do you see get more traffic.

The last time i was in a story time that had anywhere near as much activity as any one of the many movie threads was when i started storytiming holy terror after that recent terrorist bombing in a thread. and that was only because people were having a huge pol vs sjw battle on ethics or some stupid shit.

So sure absolutely there are still some great storytime threads where people get together and discuss the comic and the art and just whatever. But compared to bitchin about these movies. man most of us could give a fuck about anything on a page.

>>81460188
"Not grimdark" doesn't mean "cheery"

>>81460169
LUTHOR, YOU'RE A MADMAN!

>>81460256
>a fantastic way to crash a market
As opposed to just making films that disappoint people who expect bright and cheerful heroes so you only crash your own IP?
So this is a noble self-sacrifice?

>>81459979
Yeah now that you mention it girls usually like Batman more than Superman. I guess it's the James Bond aspect of Batman.

>>81460127
I never said "marvel's faithful because the movies are funny." I said the opposite, that the movies ignore the heart of the characters for the sake of cheap comedy.

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>>81459564
Strange, my hate filled heart loves it.
This is what they deserve for letting Snyder make that abomination.

>>81459479
>but it's genuinely good.

Look, you can lie to yourself all you want, but don't shit in my mouth and tell me it's chocolate.

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>>81459438

>>81460175
I like to imagine Stan the man actually has one of these. But formed from the gilded bones of Jack Kirby. But its incomplete as hes waiting to receive Ditkos bones as well.

>>81460362
Go watch a period piece, /tv/.

>>81460349

No. It's of course not what WB wanted. The goal was to diffirentiate themselves from Marvel and develop their own audience but it's backfired. They're going to make future movies lighter and this will case the entire genre to go into decline after Infinity war

>>81459479
You're welcome to that opinions but it seems the rest of the world does not share it.

>>81460439
But Agent Carter's over

>>81460311
He was darker, but not grimdark. He smiled at the girl he was saving from the fire, but lost that when he realized that the people around him were so in awe of him. Snyder did A LOT of things badly in this movie, but his intention was to have Superman die so that people would realize that he's not a god, but a man putting himself on the line to try and do the right thing.

>>81460449
That sort of tone could work for Batman, at least until DKR, but it isn't what people want from Superman or the Justice League (a name which will only be used as a joke in the film).

>>81460449
Thank fuck. The only good aspect of comicbook franchises is that it keeps the studios from remaking more of my favourite 80s movies for a while.

>>81460439
>protecting Snyder
what the fuck is wrong with you? You must be Snyder himself

>>81460503
Is it ever coming back? I heard nothing about a renewal.

>>81460449
I will say more tone downed movies could have worked with DC, but they got people who just didn't know how to pull it off, either writing it or Directing it.
I would have been cool with a movie where they didn't have a quip every 5 seconds. but i'm not cool with superman being a mopey little bitch all the time.

>>81455746
Think they'll still make $2B?

>>81460579
I wouldn't mind Snyder fucking off, I just don't actually want a tonal shift.

>>81460623
Hell no. Maybe a billion at best but even that seems like a struggle

>>81460399
I was thinking of replacing the piss jar with a penny jar

>>81460134
You are the parasite of human beings that need to be sacrificed to Satan.

>>81460623
It won't even make $1B

>>81460542
>his intention was to have Superman die so that people would realize that he's not a god, but a man putting himself on the line to try and do the right thing.
You realize that is the most Jesus thing that Superman could do besides turn water into wine, right?

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>>81460654
There doesn't have to be a tonal shift you hack. All you need is a better director that has a better understanding of the comics and it can still have that grim dark feel to it

>>81460730
>bully and or shitty kid dectected.
bet you did chinese cutting and played on the swings too long, didn't you?

>>81460691
Replace it with a penny jar and a label that says "BvS Box Office Earnings"

>>81460256
>I didn't want DC to be like Marvel. Being dark didn't mean it had to be bad.
I swear to god this is what the people swallowing this swill don't realize. I mean I dig MCU flicks. But i'm liking them even more now that the russos are rising in the ranks and i know were gonna get more variety in tone. sure GoTG will be its space opera comedy, but winter soldier was a fairly serious movie. Good thats awesome more of them doing that I don't need more joss whedon 'hey look how clever everyone talks' movies.

But it isn't like the only two fucking choices are avengers age of ultron and the cinematic equivalent of standing up after you shat, looking in the toilet, and finding it filled with blood.

BvS isn't 'mature' or 'deep' or 'thematic' or 'for the fans' or 'not for normies'. It's just a dour mess of a movie that is really bad. And no you or me enjoying some parts of the movie, and those parts making the movie a satisfying experience do not make the film not bad folks. It is a bunch of plotlines crammed into too confined a runtime for them resulting in this frankensteins monster of a film.

But if you say that. you can say that and every specific reason you hate it. The fucked characterization of superman, the focus only on grimdark bullshit, batman still not being allowed to be in a movie where he doesnt kill people (sorry i forgot...he managed not to in batman and robin), or the editing, or lex being a nutshit, or the cgi mess that was the final battle, or all these characters like alfred being shoved so far into the background theyre almost not in the movie because of how bloated it is, any of those things. People will somehow not see any of them. and say shit like 'psht casuals and normies just don't like actual capeshit movies' or 'MCucks can't handle a movie if it isn't a quipfest'.

Holy shit people the only alternative to being set on fire is not being drowned. I mean the nolan films (even the worst one) were more balanced than BvS. And mostly good.

>>81460773
It's a pity they're not doing a golden age Superman film, because I'm pretty sure he could actually do that back then.

>>81460449
>this will case the entire genre to go into decline after Infinity war
I'm going to screenshot that and put it right next to the screenies of people saying that Avengers would be the beginning of the end, that Iron Man 3 would be the beginning of the end, that GOTG would be the beginning of the end, and that Ant-Man would be the beginning of the end. Because everyone's "known" for at least half a decade that the whole thing's going to go belly-up ANY SECOND NOW.

As someone outside the publisher wars, I think it's a little sad that BvS screwed the pooch.

This is the two (three is you count WW) flagship IPs for DC, and they're looking at barely making a profit? This thing should the goose laying golden eggs. This thing should be crushing anything Marvel through name recognition if nothing else.

>>81460781
Which is what I said, you sperg.

>>81460897
>golden age superman
>water into wine
casuals get off my board

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Snyder will have the tornado come back in Justice League to battle Superman in the REAL battle of the century!

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>>81460998
the bvs update

>>81460940

Sure you do that my friend. But all things come and go. I didn't say anything about a bubble bursting but a decline is inevitable

>>81460817
>chinese cutting
Cutting to begin with was bad, but Chinese cutting was just off limits. Even as kids, we understood honor among thieves.

>>81461054
Ok, this is genuinely funny.

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>I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavour of the week Ant-Man – not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?

Next time try to remember to make a good movie of your transcendent characters. That helps.

>>81460976
Silver-Age could do it.
Golden-Age was still jumping over buildings instead of flying.
Silver-Age Superman invented a ray that cures communism, pretty sure elemental transmutation is small-time compared to that.

>>81461116
and anon specifically said
>>81460897
>It's a pity they're not doing a golden age Superman film, because I'm pretty sure he could actually do that back then.

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>>81461097

Ant-Man was flavor of the month though. It came and went and nobody talks about it.

>>81461116
You cannot cure something that has never existed anywhere, anon.

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>>81461213
and yet, it still did better than BvS.
funny how that works.

>>81460623
It's at 680mil now.

Domestically, BoxOfficeMojo is tracking it lower than Iron Man 3 on the day-to-day, and IM3 barely broke past 400mil. BvS is already 25mil lower than it at 10 days in, so it's unlikely to ever make it up. BvS's run *might* be longer than IM3's, but probably not by enough to make the money back.

So, I'd say $350mil domestic as an optimistic estimate, but even as low as $330mil.

That spells bad news for the foreign box office. It's not doubling the domestic intake as you'd usually expect (currently 260mil domes vs 420mil foreign). So, at the current rate, it might be something like 538mil foreign, for a worldwide total of 868mil.

As another anon said, it might *look* good against a reported budget of $250mil. But not hitting a billion will MASSIVELY lower WB's confidence in how things are proceeding.

>>81461226
Really? Seems to me something that doesn't exist would be the easiest thing to cure

>>81459279
I thought it was a billion to break even or at least the same as the cost of production, so it should be $500 mil.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/24/whats-next-for-batman-v-superman/

>>81460569
Actually they have taken the 80s action flicks cut out the blood and changed the main characters to superheros. MCU straight up murders anyone that isn't relevant to the main plot.

>>81461213
Aside from /co/, who the hell talks about Man of Steel?

>>81460779
X gon' give it to ya

>>81459438
>Com' on Zack, eat the pennies
>I don't wanna eat the pennies
>Mmmm eat the pennies, Zack
>NO, I AM NOT GOING TO EAT PENNIES

>>81461213

That's cause he's Giant Man now.

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>>81455746
What's weird is that I am trying to go to see the movie again but this time with my dad. On Friday, only one theater near my zip code is playing it. The movie hasn't been out for two weeks, what the fuck happened?

>>81461500
It's not worth it for theaters to keep playing it if more people want to see other movies.

>>81461500
Most people saw it the first week, realized it was shit, and told everyone else.

>>81461500
You moving to the Australian outback was a mistake?

Does anyone remember that "Marvel victory" music someone posted, with the goofy gif of some badly dressed Avengers dancing?

>>81461500
WOM, folks.

>>81461537
>>81461555
>>81461584
I'm in Delaware. I didn't even hate the movie that much. After Lex finally kidnapped Martha and shit actually started happening, I was enjoying myself. But I only want to see it again so I can see it with my dad. That's all I want.

>>81461407
The two Avengers movies only had the heroes kill zombies and robots. Hardly anyone died in Winter Soldier, also. Fury shot a bunch of fake cops and Hydra shot a bunch of no-name S.H.I.E.L.D personnel but that was pretty much it.
Unless you count Arnim Zola, but
>Arnim Zola
>perma-dead
yeah.....

>>81461097
Blank-Man was good, though.

>>81461676
A movie should not take till the third act for things to start "happening."

>>81461738
Not as good as Non-Applicable Boy.

>>81461708
>74 VICTIMS

>>81460406
Excelsior!

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>>81455746
JUST

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-inside-batman-v-880143?utm_source=twitter

>>81461676
>that spoiler
Other people exist in this state?

>>81460773
Sacrificing yourself to save others is always going to draw parallels to Jesus. It might be wrong to make it so hamfisted, but Superman and Jesus aren't symbols of good because of what they can do, but because of what they will do for people. They are ideals and inspirations that people should strive for.

>>81461833
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-inside-batman-v-880143?utm_source=twitter

Well hey, congrats DC fans! You have your own X-Men Origins: Wolverine! Ahahahaha. Ironically both had shitty cgi.

>>81458544
They did a pretty damn good job with their Batman movies, and it's obvious they were trying to copy that with their later ones. You can't blame everything on the tone.

>>81461772
I'm not defending it, I'm just saying.

>>81461857
Holy shit, I haven't seen a /co/mrade from DE in a couple years. What part are you from?

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>>81460542
>He smiled at the girl he was saving from the fire, but lost that when he realized that the people around him were so in awe of him
My preferred version of Superman would have defused that scene with a wink and a smile instead of wading through a worshipful crowd trying to touch him. Of course, the slow motion photography, muted colors, no ambient noise, and dour music didn't help.

Mark fucking Millar did better job of writing that sort of scene.

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>>81461969

>>81461287
>and yet, it still did better than BvS.

It barely made over 500mil

>>81461969
>my preferred version of Superman has no conflict or tension
Do you know how Superficial that sounds anon?

>>81460542
>but his intention was to have Superman die so that people would realize that he's not a god, but a man putting himself on the line to try and do the right thing.
Anon, he killed off Superman so Batman could gather the seven samurai for the JL.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/26/batman-v-superman-ending/2

>>81461950
Right around Dover, you?

>>81462086
I'm just saying that is what I want from the character.

>>81462174
I'm in Newark/Bear, but I'm at UD.

>>81461778
If those are victims directly related to the avengers. Maybe.

If it is total lives lost so far since Iron Man 1?

Fucking Bullshit.


I get the feeling those are the congress bomb victims though.

>>81462123
I hope Batman convinces everyone to join the team with the promise of 3 bowls of rice a day.

You're Warner Bros,. Justice League is set to start filming April 11. BvS is a critical failure, and it's not likely to make a profit, or even break even. The fan community want's Snyder's head on spike, and he's far from beloved by the critic's. You know if you keep Snyder, you're going to get more of the same. You have seven days. Do you pull the plug on JL?

>>81461924
I blame everything on DC's management. Zack Snyder's a shitty director? Well he wouldn't still be there if his higher ups didn't keep giving him work. He also didn't make Jonah Hex. Or Catwoman. Didn't make Green Lantern either. Snyder isn't the fluke. He's not uniquely bad, it was the Dark Knight Team that was uniquely, almost accidentally, good. And what does DC think they need to do with that information? Try to give Nolan a bunch of money to stick around, and make everything as much like the Dark Knight movies as they possibly can, whether it makes sense or not. It's almost criminally incompetent.

>>81462225
No shit? How's UD treating you?

>>81462327
>Try to give Nolan a bunch of money to stick around, and make everything as much like the Dark Knight movies as they possibly can, whether it makes sense or not. It's almost criminally incompetent.

Nope, Nolan hated the direction Snyder was taking Superman. They butted heads over the Zod neck-snap, and Superman's death. WB wanted Nolan to be the Feige of this Universe, but he didn't want to go through the headache of babysitting Snyder. It's almost as if he understands Superman and Batman are two different character's who need two different tone's.

>>81461924
>make movie about BIG BLUE
>copy tone of DARK KNIGHT
>act surprised that it doesn't work

>>81462324
I delay JL, see if Wonder Woman can be edited, and hope that Suicide Squad works. If it does, greenlight a Suicide Squad sequel and focus on building up fan confidence in the brand through the non-Trinity properties.

>>81462364
It's pretty great. I'm only a freshman, but I love the atmosphere. How's the Dover area?

>>81459479
>it's genuinely good.
DC - Damage Control

>>81462458
This sounds like a casuals understanding of comics. Superman and Batman are 75 year old character that have gone through the hands of too many writers to count. They've been written with every tone you can conceive of.

>>81459636
I think it was great. No need to be an ass about people liking different things. I'm planning to watch CW and a JL because i can like both but I can't watch shit where I'm suppose to believe there is a sense of danger and opposition to the characters but all they do is scoff, joke, and then nothing changes. That's why I loved Winter Soldier, it was such a refreshing change from the predictable formula.

>>81462589
Fucking shit like the rest of the goddamn state. But for reals, we got the AFB at least, and there's not much to complain about.

And if you don't mind me asking, what are you going for?

>>81462646
If you're taking a popular character and adapting him/her for the masses you should first and foremost find the common thread that the majority of people familiar with the character approve of and use that as a basis to mold the character. Marvel has done that. Nolan did that. It's not that hard. If you ignore that common thread you are recreating the character at a conceptual level. So why use that character to begin with?

>>81461708
Iron monger, whiplash, AIM mandarin, red skull (disintegrated/teleported), yellow jacket, Ronin, dark elves, Pierce, the chitary, ultron (lol robot) are all dead.
At least hammer is still alive although in jail. MCU likes to kill anyone not named loki.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/zack-snyder-reveals-man-steel-2-ending
>literally every single concept mentioned here was superior to what they were replaced with
Was this executive meddling or did literally everyone just go from reasonable to full retard in unison at one point in development

>>81460779
All this does is show that BvS has made more money so far than Deadpool did at the same point in its life.

>>81462705
>If you're taking a popular character and adapting him/her for the masses you should first and foremost find the common thread that the majority of people familiar with the character approve of and use that as a basis to mold the character

With this logic we'd still be dealing with Adam West Batman.

>>81462753
>$285 < $261M

Are you a fucking idiot or something?

>>81462753
It shows that even with bad reviews people were willing to give BvS a shot, because it's goddamn Batman and Superman
But also that the GA genuinely doesn't think much of the movie. It's literally squandered disappointment: the box office trend

>>81462676
Eh, I don't mind it too much. It may not be the most exciting state, but it's home. And I'm going for Bio and Psych. Trying to do forensics afterwards

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>>81459410
>already made its budget back
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

>>81462798
At least Adam West Batman was fun. I don't know what the fuck Batfleck is suppose to be.

>>81462316
Fuck yes, please.

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We live in a world where a low budget R rated movie of a secondary character, outperforms Superman and Batman.

>>81462880
Hey, it sure as hell beats Jersey, right? And we got Rigatonis, which I don't mind at all.

And you're on the fast track to Barry Allen, huh?

>>81462920
He's suppose to be a Batman 20 years into the game, not Adam West.

>>81459410
Marketing doubles the production cost, nigger.

>>81462753
Deadpool had a tiny budget (so small they had to cut a lot of the gun shit out of the finale), an R rating that shrunk the possible kid crowd (the biggest audience for capeshit) and didn't even air in China, the largest growing market that some movies (TF4 notably) have to lean heavily on to be profitable, and yet STILL did better than BvS, something that should have smashed records.

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>>81455746
>its probably not going to clear a billion at this point
>bad word of mouth every where
>but JL starts filming in a week so Snyder and his incompetent wife still aren't fired
I am beyond mad that WB hasn't kicked his ass to the curb and its incredibly unlikely they will because of their retarded time table

>>81463040
>Marketing doubles the production cost

not true.

>>81463063
Jesus, I've seen plastic bags that are more fierce than Gal Gadot.

>>81462947
Although Ryan Reynolds is the perfect Deadpool, compared Batfleck being passable and I don't even know for Superman.

>>81461993
>superman wuss

>>81462947

yeah but its a movie aming at the lowest common denominator that doesn't stand many viewings.

>>81463011
Very true. I've actually never been to Rigatonis, though.

Funnily enough, I never made that connection until recently. I'll take it, though.

>>81461907
What shitty cgi was there in BvS thats even comparable to Origins?

>>81463132
her chest is a lie!

It's all rubber armor and no fatty tissue.

>>81462947
Puru is one of marvel's hottest IPs right now, isn't he?

>>81463164
I could watch Deadpool again. Will probably watch it once it is on hbo/showtime/cinemax. will watch it on an airplane.

that's a shame, BvS was a great movie

>>81462798
He never said that common thread can't evolve over time. But it most certainly exists.

>>81463063
Do you even remember what happened to Fantastic Four last year? There was talk of Trank's tweet possibly harming its box office take so they kept claiming they were going to do a sequel even though that wasn't going to happen.

>>81462798
Tough shit, that's just how it works. If they want to continue this dark gritty path and be successful they are going to have to settle for a smaller audience and work with much smaller budgets to be profitable.

>>81455746
STOP, TALENTLESS HACK!

>>81463040

Youtube is free friend

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Will it stomp, /co/?

>>81463291
Why is he talking to himself?

>>81463164
>yeah but its a movie aming at the lowest common denominator that doesn't stand many viewings.

But enough about BvS. What'd you think of Deadpool?

>>81463174
If you get the chance, give them a shot. They make crab cakes so good, I don't mind making the drive to Claymont to get some. They just opened a new one in Middletown though, which is a bit closer to me luckily.
And if you find some cool, Hypercrisis type stuff in your life, have some fun with it, ya know? Maybe you're the Barry Allen of Earth-1424.

But anyways, we need to knock off the /soc/ type stuff, bit off topic ya feel me?

>>81462072
Made back a bigger profit, which is what matters.

>>81463400
Word I definitely will. Godspeed, anon.

>>81462646
>This sounds like a casuals understanding of comics.
And people with this casual understanding of these characters are the main target audience for these movies.

>>81463270
Anon, Fox is not WB.

WW is midway through production which was greenlit before we even saw Gadot act. There are five movies that they are BANKING on. JL is going into production, they've already invested way too much. Fant4stic didn't have its sequel scheduled to start filming two weeks after the movie came out.

>>81463320
He is filled with self-loathing.

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>>81463474
Good luck with school Anon. It was nice meeting a Delawarean for once.

>>81458544
>DC could have done Marvel movies better than Marvel
>instead they let Snyder "modernize" Superman and then ruin everything else

>>81463527
>>81463063
justice league mortal
canned a WEEK before shooting

>>81462753

Besides the fact that it only cost a fifth as much to make, Deadpool made more money than BvS on seven out of the first ten days each film was in theaters.

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>tfw JL Dark will never happen
>tfw we'll never get a good Hitman adaption on a premium channel or Netflix

>>81463253
The common thread for Superman sure as hell isn't "lighthearted" or "just like the Donner movies" if that's what you're thinking.

>>81460213
>Honestly I'm surprised any kindergartners saw it all.
Guy sitting next to me brought his three kids. They were all around the kindergarten to first grade age range. He had to keep explaining things to them.

>>81462570
Please no. All I want is to see the JL on screen. I don't want to wait years before I know if it will happen or not.

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>>81462753
But Deadpool has 'legs' whereas that low critical response indicated BvS wouldn't - it was only going to make money in its first week or two before word spread and WB knew it.

Remember: a few months back the early reports from a few differing sources all said WB was worried about BvS - audience responses from early screenings in particular were often cited - and 'changes were to be made'. Hence why all the shilling started in earnest on social media, reddit, and even here, a week before its release. Studios know they can still cash in on big films by hyping it up bigtime on opening night so they can at least fleece the rubes before word of mouth spreads.

Snyder has quit JL. I'm betting his staying on that project was subject to BvS not tanking this badly on the second weekend. The real money is made in films continuing to make money over a period of time - and that takes a well made film. Something the WB execs knew BvS wasn't.

>>81463938
I want a good JL, not a shitty one. I'd rather wait than have shit.

>>81463132
I for one find it really progressive that they hired an Auschwitz survivor to play the role of an Amazonian warrior that'll star in a movie taking place in WWI and might one day become the God of War.

>>81455746
Snyder is doing horribly, but I can't help but think that he would at least be doing a little better if the WB execs and his wife weren't so stupid. I have a feeling that Snyder is taking a lot of heat for Deborah Snyder's shit decisions.

>>81459700
They definitely still sell. Even hard to find in stores. I had to do a lot of running around to different stores and spent about $250 on Batman toys for my wife's son in the last few weeks alone. So they are probably making decent money off merchandise.

>>81462072
It's a Z list character versus Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, two of which are the most well known super heroes ever created, the other being the most well known super heroine.

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>>81464120

>>81463793
At least Pacific Rim 2 is still on track and it looks like Kojimbo's still working on Quiet Mounds,, so maybe SOME of Deltaco's crazy projects will come through. Though the lack of news about his Monster live action TV show worries me.

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>>81463894

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Is this the end of capekino?

Seriously, what fucking tool came up with that nonsense portmanteau?

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>>81458544
>fad that's going to collapse any second now

>>81463164
Neither does BvS, and it stands right next to a Bayformers in terms of all fluff too little coherent substance

>>81464104
With WB execs and Deborah Snyder, we are unlikely to get the JL movie we want, even if Hack Snyder is out of the picture. At this point, I'll take whatever they put out. At WORST it will be better than the Thor and Avengers movies.

The only thing that I would accept a delay for is the decision to include Hal Jordan in JL. The execs leaving him out because they are afraid of the IP due to mistakes made on their part is asinine.

>>81464199
I'm not the one arguing that every comic for a given character is homogeneous in tone.

>>81460218.
The movie was not a smiley movie. I hate how somehow that is an objectively bad thing, though. Even all the critics shit all over it and that's the first thing out of their mouths. "Wahhhh, this movie made me sad and I hate it!! I want my baba!"

Somewhat related, on my second viewing, I noticed Superman smiling while he was saving the Mexican girl from burning building. The smile only faded from his face when all the nutjobs started getting all religiously reverent toward him. The scene showed me that Superman legitimately enjoys what he does. He just doesn't like the world's reaction to it. But he keeps on doing it, because he's Superman, and he wants to help.

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>>81464330

>Deborah Snyder

Yes, I'm sure the director's wife had major influence over him in making this movie.

>>81464371
No, you're the one arguing the common thread for modern Superman isn't lighthearted, when it really kind of is, unless your only exposure is Earth One, Red Son, and Injustice.

>>81464330
>With WB execs and Deborah Snyder, we are unlikely to get the JL movie we want

Well, why should I want a movie that, in your own words, won't be one I want? Let the plans for Justice League burn for all I care, so long as other, better movies not currently being damaged by the Snyders are still possible.

Helps that I like comics, and have long ago learned that it's better to drop a toxic series than to naively follow it.

>>81464447

A recurring theme of these movies is Superman hating all the horrible things Zack Snyder shoves into his face. From the death of his father to the neck snap to all the religious imagery all the way to having a bomb go off around him.

>>81464456
You know Deborah Snyder owns a film company right? She's a financier for almost all of Zack's movies Zack got his job via nepotism, which is hardly new for hollywood.

I find it weird how people are eager to believe Gadot got her job as Wonder Woman via casting couch, while Snyder is literally fucking a producer and nobody wants to talk about it.

>>81464447

>The movie was not a smiley movie. I hate how somehow that is an objectively bad thing, though.

Yeah bro just like how the critics shit all over Sicario and The Witch, right?

>>81464447
I wouldn't mind a serious cape movie but it's strange how you guys can't seem to defend an attempt at it without all the childish and adhominem whining.

>>81458544
But they did anon, did you forget Lex already?

>>81463527
4Stick was just to keep the rights out of Marvel's hands. They were never going to invest much more.

This was supposed to be a tent pole for a whole franchise.

>>81463319
Fucking best one I've seen.

>>81464515
Yes, that's kind of the point. Superman is in a world that really doesn't deserve him, but he's still trying to make it a better place. To me that says a lot more about the strength of his character than being in some candy-colored comic world where everyone loves him and they have parades for him every day.

Not to say I don't enjoy the latter as well, but there are infinitely more stories where that is the case, and it's pretty easy for me to find a comic, cartoon or movie that has that identical tone. Fucking love Brave and the Bold, though.

>>81464576
That's just my point. The tone of a film was never an objective way to criticize, until now. Capeshit has become not just its own genre, but it's own form of media entirely. While scrolling through reviews for the film, you can hardly keep track of all the ones that whine "NO JOKES!" or "NOT MARVEL". It's pathetic.

>>81464630
>trying to take the high ground
>on 4chan
We got a badass here.

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>>81459177
There may come a day when Murderman and Captain Hypocrite become more successful than the Tony and Steve Power Hour, but it is not this day.

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>>81464447
>He just doesn't like the world's reaction to it
If only there was a scene where he was given a chance to explain himself and his motivations to the world. Oh wait, there was. But instead of a big epic Superman speech we got something else.

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>>81464485
>Superman is lighthearted unless its Earth One, Red Son, or Injustice

I thought this myth would die a bit once Doomsday was introduced in BvS, motivating casuals to look into the comic he appears in.

>>81464699
>but there are infinitely more stories where that is the case
If there are infinitely more stories about a character portrayed in a certain way then that's what you should be distilling for your adaptation. Leave the alternative versions to direct to video animated movies. That way everybody gets something.

And regardless of how you like the tone, execution of that tone matters infinitely more. Snyder just isn't a good director, and people defending him because they think it means he's the last bastion of maturity in cape movies is just sad. I mean shit don't you at least think YOU deserve better than a guy that goes "I wanna kill Jimmy cause it'll totally freak people out!" Would you rather have a director that could give character deaths meaning? Because what we get is a guy that does such a poor job of getting an audience to care about the death of Superman that they text on their phones during his funeral.


And for the record, are we claiming that the the Nolan movies weren't serious or dark now? Because those had jokes and levity.

>"We're not concerned with the drop. No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

>52 million

>>81464699

I think you have a good point there, Snyder definitely wants to push this Superman as a symbol of hope in a dreary world thing. The problem is it just doesn't come through nearly enough in these movies. I understand him being overwhelmed by the tragedy of the real world but shouldn't he be trying to act as a symbol of hope? Shouldn't he be this kind, cheerful man who smiles in the face of an uncaring, angry world?

>>81464699

>The tone of a film was never an objective way to criticize, until now.

There is no such thing as objective criticism of art and there literally never has been in all of human history.

And the tone is entirely appropriate to criticize because it never earns the ponderous self-seriousness it flaunts around. The movie thinks it's the next coming of the Great American Drama while having Batman smash Superman over the heads with a sink like a professional wrestler and an half-hour end fight against Shrek, it doesn't pay off any of the ideas it sets up and just descends into awful action schlock.

And shut the fuck up about critics comparing it to Marvel. People have been comparing films to other films as long as film criticism has existed, you don't get to be mad now just because it hurts your feelings.

>>81464869
>motivating casuals to look into the comic he appears in.
Why the hell would you think that they would give a shit. That's why they are casuals.

>>81464869
You mean the incredibly shitty comic that was only ever done in order to buy time for the wedding and justify synergy with the TV show?

The Death of Superman was notoriously a running joke in the DC writer's room that they only ever went with because that's how out of ideas they were otherwise, and the ONLY reason it even remotely worked or had emotional resonance was primarily due to media hype, but also because because of the surrounding context, which BvS lacks entirely and instead tries to fill the void with yet more lackluster Christ imagery.

>>81464907
>$52 million
The DCEU is going to be just fine.

>>81464915

You do realize smiling while people are dying around you just makes you look like a psychopath, right?

>>81455746
It's over, DC is finished. Only Marvel should have a monopoly on superheroes, everyone else is terrible at it.

>>81464981
Depends on the context. There's such a thing as an "Everything will be okay" smile.

>>81464981
I think Anon meant "smiling" as a general frame of mind, not the physical act of smiling.

>>81459916
You must be fucking joking.

BvS Batman is a murderer. He straight up mows down people with GUNS. Batman, modern Batman not Batman from one golden age panel you're inevitably going to bring up, spends a good portion of his time in this film shooting people with guns.

BvS Superman is a dour, depressing wuss. He has zero backbone and absolutely no initiative or even basic intelligence. He is a walking (flying most of the time) ball of stupidity that exists solely to jump through the hoops Snyder has set up through the film.

These characters are a million times less faithful than Marvel's equivalents.

>>81459479
>genuinely good.
go to bed snider

>>81464805
And we spent like a third of the movie and so much time developing Holly Hunter's character to get to said jar of piss.
Why didn't we just start the movie with that scene? Screw shooting Jimmy Olsen and Superman causing an international incident in the Middle East, there's your damn inciting event.
Then it you could have some ambiguity. What happened? Did Superman just blow up a Congress building? You can have Lois investigating the explosion while Batman starts building his Krytonite Weapons, since he's all full of revenge now. You know since, Lois is a reporter. Not a swimmer, like the movie seems to insist later. Then have Luthor explain his scheme to Lois, right before kidnapping her later. That way it doesn't look quite so insane when Batman just straight up tries to murder Supes while a tv in the background goes "Oh it was a bomb in a wheelchair."
I don't know if those changes would make the movie "better". I don't think I would have enjoyed it more, but it would make the story more compact and give more time to develop Superman and Luthor's motivations.

>>81464975

It also has satire about people wanting Superman to be darker because that was the trend at the time.

Batman and Wonder Woman both had similar replacement arcs for that same reason.

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>>81464975
Maybe looking into it will make them realize that there's more to the character than just the Donner movies.

>>81463527
Okay you want WB examples? How about when they kept saying there was going to be a sequel to Green Lantern? Or the Superman Returns sequel with Braniac in it?

>>81465511
I don't get it, did that guy think Superman was gonna be like "Eh fuck it" or did he do something wrong?

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>>81465511

From that same fucking issue.

The part under that is Superman failing to save him as the place blows up. Superman wasn't letting him die, he failed to save him.

After this Hitman and Supes jokes a bit about Batman needing a vacation and Supes gives Hitman a hokey speech about the dangers of smoking.

There's more to him than the Donner movies but Superman is mostly a light character and attempts to make him darker are all attempts to make him "interesting" and they all fail because it's not what he is.

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>>81465616

No he was upset because he realized Superman wouldn't save him in time.

It's from Hitman. Issue 34.

>>81465707
Ahh I haven't bought that far. Thanks.

>>81464447
>I hate how somehow that is an objectively bad thing, though. Even all the critics shit all over it and that's the first thing out of their mouths. "Wahhhh, this movie made me sad and I hate it!! I want my baba!"

The problem isn't that sad things happen.

The problem is that the sadness is artificial and unearned, the characters are not relatable, and it's all basically held up by a paper-mache support of slow-mo and mournful music. And 'breaking' Superman, or testing him, does not fucking work is he's going to be a miserable soppy cunt from the very start of the film.

You have to make him likeable first. You have to make people want to root for him. You want those scenes of him smiling and saying everything's gonna be okay, those scenes of him ACTUALLY SAVING JIMMY OLSEN HOLY SHIT WHYYYY SNYDER THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU and not angrily piledriving people through walls, fuck, even those scene of him fishing cats from tree. Because then there is Superman we like and we want to root for, and it is actually sad when he is continually crushed by life's realities.

This is also by the death of Superman stuff doesn't work, too. Both in and out of the universe of the film, nobody gives a fuck about him yet. He's been too wishy-washy and poorly characterized (and, frankly, fucking stupid, he does so much stupid stuff in this film) to be really liked by us, and he's not a widely beloved figure yet in the context of the film, so it doesn't make the huge splash it did in the comic.

>>81458544
Legitimately triggered me. Nice b8.

>>81465707
I liked the fact that Tommy is like the type of character that you expect wouldn't like Superman, yet Supes is the one whom he respects the most out of all the heroes. He thinks Batman is an edgy tryhard fag, Kyle an idiot, he'll even disrespect Wonder Woman, but Supes? He'll get excited about and speak nothing but positive things about him.

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>>81465871

I'd storytime this issue but I'm about to head to bed.

It's a good read and I highly recommend it to anyone.

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Sometime in the near future when DC and WB fire Snyder

>DC: I'm moving on
>Snyder: Do you remember why this started?
>DC: I don't care
>Snyder: Because you said that to me, and you're lying...you need me
>DC: No I don't, my movies are doing Iron Man numbers and I don't care anymore.

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>>81465625
>Superman is mostly a light character and attempts to make him darker are all attempts to make him "interesting" and they all fail because it's not what he is

Even the animated series both began and ended on a somber note. One of the most memorable episodes involved a corrupt cop being executed by electric chair right before piecing together Superman's identity. Perhaps the most memorable episode of the DCAU, period, is For the Man Who Has Everything, and Superman's first issue had him punching a wife beater through a wall. Lex has killed more people than the Joker and, for that matter, so has Brainiac.

>>81464699
>Yes, that's kind of the point. Superman is in a world that really doesn't deserve him
The...fuck....he's the reason Zod came to Earth in the FIRST place. If he had died in space as a fucking baby the Earth would have been much better off. Wtf is this drivel?

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>>81466113
>meanwhile, just like two issues earlier

WHY COULDN'T NEIL HAVE JUST BEEN HAPPY

WHY DID THE GREAT WORLD HAVE TO DIE

>>81466183
I can't take this. "You don't owe this world a thing."

YES. HE DOES. It's ENTIRELY his fault that there was an alien invasion. And Doomsday was built as a direct response to him. He owes humanity everything.

>>81465625
Are you seriously trying to imply that comic isn't similar to MoS Superman? It's literally Superman fails to save lives and questions his role in the world. Exactly like his scene with Lois following the Senate explosion.

>>81466239
>>81466183
>It's your fault for being born you selfish prick!

You guys are assholes.

>>81466239

>You don't owe this world a thing.

That's just Snyder stroking his throbbing Objectivism boner. All that matters is me and mine, my greatness, and should I deign to help the masses they should lap up anything I give them because of how incredibly awesome I am.

>>81466183
>>81466239

It's a symptom of needing to have every plotline related to the main hero

It's why they should have just done a Mongul thing and had Mongul only be tangentially related to Clark becoming a superhero

>>81466319

He would be right, if this was a very different Superman whose coming wasn't a literal beacon for space gods and devils to come and fuck up Earth

Strictly speaking, Supes is someone who does good not because he owes the world, but because good is the thing to do

But the movieverse Supes is some kind of space typhoid mary who comes bearing ragnarok behind him

>>81466293
Look, life's not fucking fair, you can be a refugee and we'll try to defend you from the godawful fucks you ran away from, but if your presence gets thousands of people killed at the least while you get to be the most powerful and dangerous being alive, then don't give me that "you don't owe this world a thing" shit.

>>81466239
I am so happy I wasn't the only one this really truly bothered. That was an entirely wrong headed, inappropriate, selfish, disgusting thing they had her say and that would have been 1000x more apparently if any person who survived or lost someone in Metropolis was there with them. I fucking hate Synder and Goyer so much.

>>81466113
You know why that TAS stuff worked? It was because it was the exception, not the rule. Sad moments need levity for poignancy. Snyder doesn't get this. It's ALL sad and serious like 98% of the time.

There's one anon that loves going "What good is hope in a hopeful world!?" but the inverse is also true. What's the point of a somber character in an already bleak universe? There's no contrast there either.

When Clark gets pissed and does the red eyes thing it's a "holy shit" moment because he's NOT doing stuff like that every other issue. The more you play that card, the less effect it has. Marvel has the same thing with Spider-man; you know shit has gotten real once he gets super quiet and he ends up being terrifying and even a mediocre writer can make scenes like that work because the context is there to provide contrast.

Snyder can't even do that!

>>81466366
A refugee who chooses to go somewhere is very different from the literal infant they bring with them. You can blame Jor and Lara, but Supes is in no ethically way responsible. Like, not even slightly.

>>81466391
>That was an entirely wrong headed, inappropriate, selfish, disgusting thing they had her say

It's perfectly correct

For a different Superman

>>81466421
This. It felt like a line lifted from a comic that makes no sense in the movie - like all the DKR lines they stole.

>>81455746
I hope he's under suisnyde watch.

>>81455746
Someone post the video where's he's asked about the reviews. He looks like he just got the "Yeah, don't bother coming into work next week." call.

I'm going this weekend to the IMAX and taking my friends.


You should all kill yourselves.

>>81458544
Le quips lul!

>>81466509
And join you watching this movie? No thanks.

>>81466443
>It felt like a line lifted from a comic that makes no sense in the movie - like all the DKR lines they stole.
It was just the running sociopathic tendencies Synder and Goyer has been giving characters since MOS with the Torando scene all the way to KRYPTON HAD IT'S CHANCE AND DOESN'T DESERVE ANOTHER! FUCK THE FACT MY DAD GOT STABBED AND LET MY MOM DIE ALONE TO uh..GIVE KRYPTON ANOTHER CHANCE. I HAVE THE UPPER HAND HERE BUT...zaaaaaaaaap

Blame your government Krypton...you dumb shits.

>>81466528

Engineers and scientists rather than morons and idiots?

No, we'll get drunk after and if we don't like it that's cool.

>>81460247
They always have an audience because everyone knows that, come 5 PM, there's gonna be a JSA storytime.

>>81465546
And once again, neither of those movies had sequels that were supposed to start filming two weeks after the previous movie came out.

The only way JL would halt production was if BvS was an actual flop that first week.

>>81464129
Considering that when left to his own devices Snyder came up with a movie like fucking Sucker Punch I think the amount of heat he's getting is well deserved. The man made two enjoyable movies then burned out faster than Shyamalan.

>>81465740
>You have to make him likeable first.

I found him very likable when he smiled when he saved Lois and then had that adorable bathtub scene with Lois. I felt bad for him when the world kept hating him. I did not see him save kittens from trees to get to that

>ACTUALLY SAVING JIMMY OLSEN HOLY SHIT WHYYYY SNYDER THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

You wouldn't even know he was Jimmy if it weren't for the end credits. Jimmy serves no purpose whatsoever as a character aside from nostalgia when Clark already has Lois knowing his identity and his confidant, Jimmy might as well be dead. Or you can just keep pretending Jenny is 63 Jimmy.

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>>81463390
Nice.

>>81459192
They may be a terrifying, despotic media conglomerate, but they didn't get there by making shitty movies.

>>81464134
>my wife's son

>>81458544
I mean you're right and all, but you're an asshole who is only saying this to be baiting.

>>81460127
"Dour and grimacing" is so fucking far from the nature of For All Seasons that I am unreasonably angry that you implied it. Superman can--and should--feel sorrow, feel humbled, and fail. The appeal of Superman is not his great strength, but the kindness, the humility, and the morality with which he wields it. He's an uplifting character.

>>81466239
>YES. HE DOES. It's ENTIRELY his fault that there was an alien invasion.

And then stopped it. And then kept saving people out of his own free will.

>And Doomsday was built as a direct response to him.

By an asshole whose motivation was that he hates Superman for existing.

>He owes humanity everything.

In what capacity? Becoming the US government's lapdog, taking his orders from the President on who to save and who not? Become a subservient lab rat for science who lives in isolation from everything else for the rest of his life?

>>81466417
>You can blame Jor and Lara, but Supes is in no ethically way responsible. Like, not even slightly.
Yes, you can blame Superman for Zod's coming because he found an ALIEN ship he had no idea about and with no further precaution stuck his key into it like, "Well what could go wrong?" If I find a weird ship someplace remote on Earth and press the red shiny button on it with not a speck of forethought of possible fucking consequence I am absolutely responsible there after. You CANNOT be this damn stupid.

>>81467004
>The appeal of Superman is not his great strength

Yes it fucking is

I'm here to see a rad strong guy in tights (or tights with tron lines all over them, whatever) throw mountains around, stop planes from crashing, and punch space cunts who deserve it so hard they're shitting teeth for a week all while grinning from ear to ear

Fuck this humility shit

>>81461969
>>81461993
Source?

(And no, it's not Superman #78, I checked)

>>81466274
>Are you seriously trying to imply that comic isn't similar to MoS Superman?
It isn't.
For one, you'll notice there's some color in that comic. For twosies, you might see that Superman is showing emotion that isn't solely brooding, morose, or anger.

>>81467273
I HATE THE BANDS YOU LIKE

>>81466274
Didn't Mark Millar absolutely despise MoS?

>>81467273
I can't tell if this is bait and you're playing the part of someone who mindlessly goes and sees the fourth transformers for "epic robot fights" or if you are genuine in your role.

>>81467344

I HATE YOU

>>81467358

Worse

I'm a Siegel/Shuster Superboy era fan

And I dislike the Maggin-era Superman books because he pulls way too much for BUT SUPERMAN HAS FEELINGS TOO shit

>>81467061
>with no further precaution stuck his key into it like, "Well what could go wrong?"

Okay, so how do you do that in practice? Have an entire, awkward monologue about "With this key I shall learn my origin! But at what COST`?! Dare I do it? Should I remain in the dark and let the US government play around with this ship instead? Could this potentially alert an evil would-be dictator from space of my existence and bring him to Earth? The weight of this what if scenario dilemma is tearing me apart, Lois!" to free him from responsibility?

>>81467420
"They would have had to re-write the scene" is not an argument for "it was not stupid of him," you know.

Why didnt Superman tell people not to worship him and shit?

>>81467653
Because it doesn't fucking work

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>>81464554
>while Snyder is literally fucking a producer and nobody wants to talk about it.
He's complete whore.

>>81467420
>Okay, so how do you do that in practice?
That's literally not my concern. I'm not being paid millions to write a film that will be shown world wide. My only point to you is that it's absolutely his fault all those people died in Metropolis. No we aren't lucky to have him, he's not too good for this planet, he doesn't deserve a statue. If that ship was actually a bomb he activated and blew up most the planet for all Clark knew you wouldn't be trying to excuse him. Do you see my point?

>>81467273
This. Superman is at his core Space Popeye.

His first ever appearance has him lifting a damn car for fuck's sake.

BUT

Popeye is also a jolly fellow who goes ugugugugug when he laughs. Not a sad sack.

>>81455746
RECAST ADAM WEST

>>81467690
How do you know? I mean, why diesnt he give an interview to let people know more about him. He purposefully keeps himself distant from humans and im not sure why. He makes no attempt to connect to the people of earth on a personal level, he doesn't act human and we also learn he will fucking take over the planet if Lois dies. Thats kind of a fucking asshole thing to do.

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>>81467836

Yeah

They can have Supes be a cunt all they want, as long as they make it funny

Siegel and Shuster knew how

>>81466391
>That was an entirely wrong headed, inappropriate, selfish, disgusting thing they had her say

Sounded exactly what a mother would say to her child to me.

>and that would have been 1000x more apparently if any person who survived or lost someone in Metropolis was there with them.

Unless they were grateful for Superman saving their life. Like, you know, all the people who supported the memorial park and the statue being built.

>>81459783
You're retarded. JL is gonna start shooting this month. Delaying that by a year would be tens of millions of loss, because of money already spend on production and because the movie is already slotted into the release schedule it can't be easily replaced.

>>81467801

This type of 'what if' mentality would mean Superman should just sit on his ass and do nothing, ever. There was no reason to suspect anything like that would happen. Even Jor-El's AI didn't know Zod would come calling.

>My only point to you is that it's absolutely his fault all those people died in Metropolis

He gave himself up to Zod out of his free will, he stopped his mad scheme from eradicating human life. He more than made up for his accidental mistake of turning on a space ship.

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Remember, just because it's making a lot of money it doesn't necessarily mean that it's meeting expectations, which results in not so happy investors.

>>81467890
>Sounded exactly what a mother would say to her child to me.

So a sociopathic mother who can't comprehend or simply doesn't give a flying fuck about all the lost of life caused by her son.

>Unless they were grateful for Superman saving their life.
When? After he genocided his entire culture with heat vision and made out with Lois while people were dead and actively dying around him?

Why would you thank someone for saving you whose solely responsible for humans almost becoming extinct? Your family and friends, people dying all around you?

>>81468025
>There was no reason to suspect anything like that would happen.

IT'S AN ALIEN FUCKING SHIP

I can't even anymore with you MoSfags. For some reason you guys haven't gotten cancer yet and I just can't. I'm out.

>>81468000
Justice League Mortal was set to shoot one week before it was cancelled. Trust me, this isn't the first time WB would pull out. They'll take the loss on pre-production costs if it means avoiding another disappointment.

Why did Warner even hire this hack? Most of the films he has directed had terrible-mixed reviews. Even then, 300 is the only movie I can recall that actually made a decent profit. Fuck, just get Nolan to replace him. At least he's able to make some entertaining memes and knows how to use actors, with some decent atmosphere.

>>81468067
>Justice League Mortal was set to shoot one week before it was cancelled.

Because of the writer's strike.

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>>81459564

>bad man