Marvel 2017 Leak

>>81415301
Sorry, meant "inhuman" instead of mutant in the second paragraph

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I haven't been keeping up, is Male thor back or do we still have female thor?

>>81415301
The guy from Civil War II is a shithuman.
Fake.

>616

It's not called 616 anymore. Fake.

>>81415342
UM, HER name is Thor. Not "Female Thor", not "Jane Foster Thor", just THOR. #ThankYou

>>81415301
>Some specific mutants *might* stick around in the 616, but I don't know which.
Cyclops, Emma, Jubilee, X-23. The rest can fuck off and die. But considering Cyke's whole reason for being is the mutant cause he'd have to got and since he and Emma are the OTP she'd have to go with them. Hypothetically speaking of course cause just like usual these spoilers will turn out to be bullshit.

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being a marvel fan is suffering

Why can't marvel die

>>81415301
Good hope this is true

>>81415350
I think OP meant inhuman there

But it has to be fake regardless, Marvel isn't that retarded

>>81415530
t. Marvelshill

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>>81415558
>Marvel isn't that retarded

>>81415301
>homer
>not dying in civil war
I doubt it

>>81415594
Fuck off X-Faggot

if Marvel were willing to do this, wouldnt they be willing to sell the X-Men?

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>>81415350

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>>81415301
I'm still waiting for Pixie to go around slaughtering Inhumans you massive faggot

>>81415488
They are working on it apparently.

>>81415558
>Marvel isn't that retarded
Oh yes they are
And they get money for it anyway so they know they have nothing to lose.

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>>81415301
A big Marvel crossover event?
In the X-books no less?
Well color me surprised!

the only thing that makes me sad is we never got a book about life in a mutant country, like Genosha or Madripoor. I wanted a Magneto president-king book.

>>81415301
>The Death of X event coming this Fall is a prelude to a much larger event coming next year called End of X.
This I can see being true.
The rest not so much.

>it ends with all the mutants being shifted over to another timeline of their own free will. The 616 goes on without them
This I want to be true.

>>81415434
It's female thor, she's not the real thor. Thor is a name not a title.

>>81415637
Xmen are wildly popular even in the face of 16 years of sucky movies and comics, they still make bank, it's unbelievable

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>>81415301

don't believe you

giving mutants their own universe is the worst thing

If Marvel had done this in 2005 instead of House of M I would have been sooooooo happy.

>>81415789
shhh
tumblr needs its time in the light

for the event:
if thats true the xfags tears will be delicious
after bobby turning gay this will be way better to witness

>>81415301
They won't give the mutants their own earth/universe before letting a IvX event shit all over them first.

>>81415792
>16 years of sucky movies and comics
>New X-Men
>New X-Men v2
>3 good X-Force books
>Gillen's Uncanny
>Messiah Complex
>Second Coming
>X-Men Legacy (both of them)

X-Men had a good run post 2000, but each event since AvX the good books are fewer and farther between.

>>81415301
If true, it's a long overdue change considering the popularity of the mcu and the "muh synergy" approach they've been taking.

Any spoilers for something besides Death of X? I mean, come on, anon. At least spice things up for us to believe you.

>>81415789
reminder that marvel thinks the exact opposite and thinks you are a mysoginist for thinking that

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>>81415301
>The "storm" can only be resolved by removing all the mutants from the universe, which sparks big time chaos about how to resolve the issue.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA It sounds so retarded, it might be fucking true

>>81415789
I don't get why people get so sensitive about this when we can use BuckyCap and FalCap to clarify which Cap we mean, but the second you try to differentiate between Jane and Odison people try to make it seem like you're being sexist.

>>81415434
Foster the Imposthor

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>moments like this lost forever

They're so obviously transparent about this shit but won't admit it; I kind of love it.

>>81416045
Peter and Logan developing full-blown friendship was my favorite thing to come from Bendis' Avengers.

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>>81416045
like tears... in rain

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>>81415372
Do you even read comics?

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>>81416045
>moments like this lost forever
>posts a pic of a moment that can literally be reposted forever

>>81415633
I don't even like the X-Men. Nice strawman though, Marvelshill.

Probably the death of the x gene, no more powers.

>>81415301
>The Death of X event coming this Fall is a prelude to a much larger event coming next year called End of X.

Oh a Marvel event is leading into another event. Why even spoiler this?

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IF happends I am sure marvel will defend it as saying "now writers will have more liberty with the x-mens!", and that doesnt sound so bad.

give 5 reasons why putting mutants in another universe is bad

>>81415301
>x-fans will believe this garbage

>>81416220
Because putting minority in separate area sounds super-racist?

>>81416205
Followed by End of Y in which all male Marvel characters become female.

>>81416232
not only that, I'm sure BleedingCool will have an article about it some time this week

>>81416280
Marvel is literally gassing a minority right now in the comics and no article about how racist that is has come out.

So no problem

>>81416220
Because shitting on the foundations of the Marvel universe is bullshit.

>>81416220
Destroying all established relations to 616
Movie Synergy
The X-men will probably a trowaway IP
Bendis

>>81416301
Rich is proably already finished writing the article.

>>81416280
>racist
>against an imaginary race

>death of X happens
>Disney gets mutant rights back
>Marvel scrambles to undo the event

>>81416325
That's because all media outlets are Disney shills, especially CBR and Newsarama.

>>81416329
I cant wait for the day they retcon the F4 space mission and say that 616 started with Iron Man

>>81416329
>putting them in their own world is shitting on them
>despite 90% of the comics not involving non x-characters

remember that you guys thought marvel was too retarded for those civil war 2 leaks to be true.

>>81415452
>since he and Emma are the OTP she'd have to go with them
Finally, Alaskan Adventures of Summers and Frost.

>>81416389
>90%
>implying
Besides, I'm talking about the FOUNDATIONS, the X-Men have always been a part of 616. It's like when they took the Avengers and F4 out of 616 during Heroes Reborn, same retarded bullshit.

>>81416336
>implying it will retcon them as never existing
>implying the muggas aren't better on their own
>implying you can throwaway the highest selling IP
>ok I'll give you that

>>81416370
Also mutants are the equivilant of gay CIS-Gender Males.

IE the type of minority that the SJW thug sect would holocaust in a heartbeat if they could conceivably get away with it.

>>81416280
>>81416325
Oh man I vaguely remember an article that shat all over Marvel for shitting on X Men in favor of Inhumans, pointing out the unfortunate implications of it all.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>81416391
Well the name of the Inhuman is Ulysses instead of Homer so maybe they changed the things that got the worst reception.

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>>81415301
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

wolverine never going to be in the avengers again
this is bullshit.
i grew up reading xmen and the fantastic 4. im a big fan of marvel comics. but this is a bridge too far. i hope to god they dont remove an entire franchis from their main universe.

>>81416045
And you didn't even use Beast/Wonder Man page. Shameful.

>>81416591
>wolverine never going to be in the avengers again
And the problem was...?

>>81416358
Disney will never get the rights back. In 20 years when everything is delivered to your door by flying drones and VR headsets have replaced monitors people will still be talking about the X-men rights coming back to Disney

This sounds awful.

>>81416391
I also remember all the shitty "leaks" coming out of the Secret Wars

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>>81415301

This sounds hilarious and I hope it's true.

616 is gone retards.

This is probably nothing that is. axing xmen or killing them all or reality switch.

They're probably making them all inhumans but called xmen.

>>81416703
Can you tell us which ones were true or not?

>>81416813
>us

Go look them up in the archive yourself faggot

>>81416391
remember Quentin quire and pixie killing Inhumans?

>>81416804
See
>>81416128

Do you fucking people even read comics? The current Marvel universe is still 616.

>>81416909
It's easier to read Brevoort's tumblr.

>>81416877
No

>>81416370
Don't forget Rotten Tomatoes!

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>>81415301
being an X-men fan is true pain

i grew up reading these characters

just kill me

>>81416941
>Brevoort

Brevoort and Axel were saying before Secret War 616 IS NO MORE, IT'S NEVER COMING BACK. Then guess what, everything was still 616.

>/co/ will buy this

>>81416591
>wolverine never going to be in the avengers again
Good? Wolverine should never have been in the Avengers in the first place. That was the worst thing to ever happen to Wolverine AND the Avengers. It made both worse by association.

>>81415301
Honestly, I don't mind it if it's a temporary thing.

We had the same thing in the mid/late 90s with Heroes Reborn, with the Avengers and FF moving over to a pocket universe. We had a year or so of the MU without its most famous heroes, and it gave us cool stuff like the Thunderbolts and Operation Zero Tolerance.

Now, if Marvel is dumb enough to actually want this to be a permanent status quo (and I have little doubt that they are capable of this level of stupidity), that would be the end of the Marvel Universe as we know it. Ten years from now they might as well just publish comic book novelizations of the movies and tie-in limited series.

I'm hoping that, even if this happens, it's a temporary thing to boost sales, and it would give us the potential for some interesting stories.

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>Every marvel book from 2013 onwards is lining a bargain bin across the country
>meanwhile the New 52 #1s are worth actual money

"B-B-BUT...MAN OF MURDER...1!!!1!"

>>81416988
Stop being a diva and look at F4 fans. You guys complain about having, what? 5 ongoings? Jesus Christ.

>>81416996
Brevort said its earth prime now, so did marvel and sw.

They don't want to call it 616, it's also had parts merged from another universes.

>>81417039
/co/ doesn't read comics, let alone buy them.

>>81417100
I like this bait but I don't think this is the best thread for it. Wait for a CWII thread and repost for best results.

>>81417100
>DC's market share and profit have tanked
>they have to relaunch yet again despite that not being their business model
>Marvel is still the undisputed number one

How does it feel to be thoroughly beaten by an inferior company?

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>>81415832
>turning gay

>>81415301
>The "storm" can only be resolved by removing all the mutants from the universe, which sparks big time chaos about how to resolve the issue.
That sounds to stupid to be true

So it must be true

>>81417146
>fantastic 4
>is made out of 4 character, 6 if we count Valeria and the god little shit
>2 members are still alive

>x-men
>is made of hundreds of characters
>currently fan populars characters like Cyclops,Elixir and others are dead

I honestly don't give a shit about the mutants and never have. They're the reason it took me so long to get into Marvel in the first place. If they get sectioned off into their own universe then I'm all for it.

>>81417188
Doc market share shrank due to the dc you hipster/image/counterculture stuff.

Lack of conutinty and new costumes tanked.

>>81416301
Didn't Rich say something about Marvel wanting to punt the X-Men to another universe a while back?

>>81416338
It'll be up tonight. Almost done.

>>81417146
There are three team ongoings (one of which has the O5, characters nobody actually wants), and AN Wolverine. Meaning four books at most.

(Deadpool was always tangentially an X-Man character, so now that he's in the Avengers I don't count his books as part of the X-Men line.)

That's less than half compared to a couple of years ago. The thing is, the X-Men are perfectly capable, as a line, of fielding more than 5 team books (three mains, X-Force, X-Factor, etc.). The Avengers aren't - look at the sales right now. And yet due to the MCU and rights bullshit Marvel is going with its weaker foot forward and shooting its stronger foot.

>>81417289
Yeah. Shipped to new planet.
Then editor guy and Remender left.

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>>81416988
It's fake bro.

We're good.

>>81417146
The F4 have been irrelevant for 3 decades.

>>81417307
So your upset that Marvel isn't making more money?
Also you forgot old man logan

>>81417307
Why they have to have the "synergy" is just stupid.

Part of it is all these crossovers which have made the universes homogenised.
In the 90s the X-Men had their own stories while the Avengers had their own stories.

>>81417429
>and everyone acts like Rightclops and Logan never buried the hatchet
I want Genosha 2: Attack on Limbo.

>>81416136
this isn't like Hypercrisis anon, you can't just say that "This moment exist in another earth" Marvel is a machine and it goes to shows, they retcon stuff to fit in to their ever sliding timeline of "Every significant thing that happened in the past only happened like 20 years tops", heck a lot of past Avengers stories are probably slided out off continuity by now.

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>>81417146
suck my dick. the FF are fine. they've been written consistently and had some good runs oer the past few years

>>81417151
>They don't want to call it 616

Except all the books are calling it 616. Brevoort is the only person still not calling it 616 for something reason.

>>81417516
The moment isn't lost, you have the pic that contains the moment, it can never be lost.

Continuity fags GTFO

>>81417307
the deadpool books are x-books, one like the cable team up and the gambit team up have "real" x-men too. There are x-characters in uncanny avengers and new avengers is lead by sunspot. Seems the only problem is the title isn't X-ect.

>>81416136
>moments like this
>LIKE

He's obviously referring to future interactions

>>81416220
Because Marvel has a very poor track record with keeping niche universes around. New Universe, Squadron Supreme, and Ultimate all got fucked over.

>>81415372
Shut up, Brevoort

>>81417570
Except Brevoort said spider Gwen is a mistake and other early references.

From now on it's prime earth not 616.

>>81415434
Can she just die of cancer already? I never gave this little fucks about Thor since they tried to push that Thunderstrike garbage on the world.

>>81416895
Where are they by the way?

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>>81415434
Dat a fact?

>>81415301
Carol Danvers is a shit.
Bring back the black swimsuit. This butch dyke haircut and ugly ass costume is retarded.

#fuckYouMarvelForBeingAsshats

>>81417884
Joined Cyclops in the Sun.

>>81417851
At this point it's just a game to see who gives up first.

>>81416220
The thing is, if X-Men become a parallel universe, I worry that writers WILL have more liberty with the X-Men.

Liberty is good when you have a strong staple of writers. Under Claremont, the X-Men were for all intents and purposes separate and we got the best long run in the franchise's history.

However, right now, we have Bendis, Lemire, and Hopeless helming the X-line, and if they're given greater creative freedom, they'll inevitably fuck up.

We've learned from Ultimate that parallel universe means anything could happen, which at Marvel means X-Men dying en masse, behaving OOC, retcons out the ass, bizarre grimdark stories just because, etc. to an even greater extent than in the MU.

As long as a book is "canon" (i.e. in -616), there's a degree of caution. You can't fuck shit up TOO bad because everyone else has to play in your sandbox.

If you make the X-Men their own sandbox and give writers free reign... We saw the character and story assassination in HoM and his X-run; I literally shudder to think what Bendis would do when given MORE power.

>>81417990
What X-book is Bendis writing?

>>81417851
Just like editors said Nextwave isn't canon.
Nobody who referenced Nextwave in later books cared. Not Brian Reed and Fred van Lente with Machine Man, not Kyle & Yost when they put Tabby in X-Force for five seconds, not Al Ewing when he pitted Monica Rambeau against a Mindless One during Original Sin and especially not all the people who used Elsa Bloodstone in the last ten years.

If the writers won't like some editorial bullshit forced upon them, they're not gonna bother adhering to it. And since editors are too busy writing their blogs to actually do their jobs, they won't be able to force them to.

>>81418095
Guardians of the Galaxy :^).

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>>81415301
The main reason I'm dubious (since /co/'s Civil War II leaks were actually legit) is that if they were going to do this, why not just have done it in Secret Wars?

>>81415481
I've moved on. I still look in on Marvel on their sickbed. Anyhow, Darkhorse & Image treat me right.

This is your fault, /co/.

>>81418175
More events= more money.
And everybody fucking loves events.

>>81418216
>blaming /co/ when a jew decides to jew

>>81416437
This. Every time I see someone on /co/ calling for X-Men to be a separate universe, I'm like, do they REMEMBER Heroes Reborn?

>>81418175
My best guess is, Hickman didn't agree to it., because that's not what his story was about.
That's why he's not with Marvel anymore.

>>81417307
>There are three team ongoings (one of which has the O5, characters nobody actually wants), and AN Wolverine. Meaning four books at most.
You're forgetting Old Man Logan and X-men '92. Ontop of that, we've been getting X-minis like Worst X-man Ever and the upcoming Deadpool vs. Gambit and CWII: X-men. Plus Uncanny Avengers is essentially an x-book.

And that's ignoring the fact that Deadpool is an x-character and he has a fucking dozen books.

>>81418256
>implying you goyim can't help feeding them jews

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>>81415301
Fucking.
FINALLY!

>>81418279
The answer is no, they do not remember.

>>81417990
This guy gets it. Seperate universe could be great if you give it to some people who genuinely care and put a lot of effort in, but right now, Marvel has zero people like that around.

>>81418279
>invite Hickman to retreat
>give him nothing to write

>>81417146
F4 fans are a bunch of grandpas. Literally no one that matters cares about the F4. They were "popular" for all of like 5 years in the silver age. The X-men on the other hand have always been Marvel's most popular franchise. If it wasn't for the X-men then Marvel would have collapsed in the 70s. No one gave a shit about Marvel's non-X-books (besides Spider-man, who always hung out with the X-men more than anyone else) until Avengers came out and all the normies flooded in.

Wolverine is Marvel's Batman yet they're doing everything they can to try and make it so people forget that Wolverine even exists.

>>81418320
Man, could you imagine this current run of Deadpool getting completely derailed by having to move to a different universe?

>>81417570
Brevoort is the ONLY person pushing that shit. Notice how the non-Brevoort edited books still use 616?

>>81417990
A parallel universe without Whor, Carol Danver, and "One More Day"

My body is ready

>>81418461
Deadpool isn't a mutant so "MUTIES GET OUT REEEEE" wouldn't effect him.

>>81418399
>Marvel has zero people like that around
>Ewing
>Robinson
>Duggan
>Spencer

>>81418461
If it meNs that Deadpool is back to being a Merc without the bullshit celebrity, then bring it on.

Deadpool should not be an Avenger. On in every goddamn book.

>>81418494
affect

>>81418320
>counting CWII: X-Men
Are you literally paid by Marvel because that's dumb as fuck, that's a line-wide event, everyone's going to be involved.

>Uncanny Avengers
>called Avengers
>led by Steve Rogers
>only two actual X-Men (Cable and Rogue)
>don't fight X-Men villains

That's the thing, Marvel's scattered the X-Men around, so they're still there in a bunch of titles, but there are very few team ongoings in the X-Line itself (and counting Deadpool is ridiculous, at this point he has virtually nothing to do with the X-side of the MU. You might as well count Carol and Wanda as X-characters).

An anon made a chart the other day of A/B/strong X-Men C-listers who aren't appearing in any book right now but were prominent in the past few years. It's something like 50 characters, anon. Deadpool and not-Wolverine ongoings can't hide the fact that Marvel took an axe to the X-books.

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>>81418536
>Kekwing
>implying

>>81415621
He's bishonen, he's going to stick around and maybe get his own book.

>>81418648
>changing the filename
>turning it into a gif
Damn Bitch Ewing, way to finally put a bit of effort into your shitposting.

>>81418678
So it'd basically just be a What If book? Arcs start with him getting a vision of a horrible what if future, then the rest of the arc is people in the present trying to stop it from happening, just to cause an even worse what if future for the next arc? That could be pretty cool actually. Just getting to see how things keep getting worse and worse as a result of interference.

>>81417990
>turn X-Men into its own universe
>hand it over the Hickman and Remender for the duration of the story (a few years)
>earn a ton of money and critical acclaim, books get boost due to novelty
>fold them back in the prime universe with a big event
>books got boost due to fans wanting to see their favorites interact again

Inanabsolutworld.jpg

>>81418730
I guess, Minority Report did get a tv show last year.

Marvel honestly is dumb enough to do this

>>81418796
>Remender
He had big plans for the X-Men, was gonna send them to space and shit. He was even setting it up in his Uncanny Avengers run. But out of nowhere, he left Marvel to work on his own books.

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>>81418678

>X-Men will finally have a universe all to their own
>Their constant infighting will finally make sense because they'll likely be the only superpowered beings there

I've never understood why nearly all of the X-Men's story arcs are just massive infighting circlejerks. Why aren't there teams of X-Men tasked with taking out non-mutant supervillains or some street-level mutants stopping bank robbers or organized crime? That'd do wonders in the realm of public opinion.

>>81419094
Everything you wrote was done by Cyclops during the SF/pre-Schism Utopia era.

But the problem, much like with Morrison's run, is that the X-Men are plagued by their core concept, and any attempt at creating realistic workarounds (PR agents, operating in public, outreach programs, etc.) inevitably have to fail because of plot.

Fake. Nobody can predict that far in advance because Marvel hasn't plan that far in advance.

>>81415301
>The Death of X event coming this Fall is a prelude to a much larger event coming next year called End of X.
I hate you so much, Marvel.

>this entire thread

I fucking hate you /co/.

I'm not making a thread just gonna ask.

What xmen stories would you recommend to read /co/?

>>81418175
But /co/ didn't leak Civil War II. NeoGaf did.

>>81415558
>Implying
Disney is still butthurt about Fox not giving up the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights. Fantastic Four have already been axed. X-Men are next and you know it to be true.

>>81419196
What are you looking for? "classic" adventures? EXTREME 90s stuff? Modern stuff that isn't garbage?

>>81419214
Modern (2000-present) mainline runs: Morrison's New X-Men, Whedon's Astonishing X-Men, Gillen's Uncanny X-Men

Modern auxiliary runs: New X-Men Academy X (and the continuation, also called New X-Men), Exiles (Vol. 1 only), X-Men Legacy with Xavier and Rogue, X-Men Legacy with Legion, PAD's X-Factor and All-New X-Factor, Remender's Uncanny X-Force

Big stories: Messiah Complex-Messiah War-Second Coming mega-arc

I'd say that's about 600 comics, anon, enough to keep you occupied.

If you become a big X-fan and want to read older runs, you can easily find rec lists online.

>>81419307
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>>81418889
the last page of Hail Hydra was pretty amazing if you read it as meta

>>81418308
Hickman went to bat for F4 with SW, not X-men. Marvel originally wanted SW to end with the F4 all getting killed off. Hickman said fuck that and he refused to write that story, with the compromise being that he would write out Reed, Sue, and The Foundation by turning them into Gods. Pretty good compromise.

>>81419307
probably modern those will be the first ones I check out from >>81419340 list

>>81419340
>Exiles (Vol. 1 only)

I'm going to disagree here. Vol.2 was also good, it just only lasted a single storyline.

It's New Exiles you want to avoid. And the like what, two years of Claremont shit before the name change?

>>81418413
Your autism is strong.

FF was popular through the 60s to early 70s then again in the 80s after Bryne took over. X Men however was Marvels worst book in the 60s and early 70s until Claremont took over in '75.

EVEN then their popularity started to take off in the 80s. Thats when they had good stories too like death of pheonix in 1980

>>81419474
Yeah he nailed it

not that anon but since you're feeling generous how about ANY stories where spidey hangs out with the xmen that are actually good?

>>81419503
>thinking x-fags know anything about non x-books or are aware of their popularity during and before their childhood

>>81419744
I'm assuming you've read Spider-Man and the X-men

>>81415301
Carol being put over by Marvel? I can see that.

Cribbing Mass Effect? Nah, Marvel's pushing Movie crap. Thanos was the BBEG the whole time.

>>81418796
>turn X-Men into its own universe
>hand it over the Hickman and Remender
I wouldn't give the X-Men franchise to either of these.
I just don't think they're the right people to good main-line X-Men titles.

>>81419809
Well yeah that's what got me asking for more

Anyone feel like Marvel is heading to a dead end?

It feels like most of their stories are really pointless these days and are going nowhere. Both Civil War 2 and Death of X feel like they come out of movie mandates instead of being genuine story developments. The most hyped books, Iron Man and ANAD Avengers have virtually no plots, and every other book that tries to have one are selling so low that they will probably be gone in a few months.

It just doesn't seem like Marvel has any goals anymore.

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>>81419474
I really need to actually go and make this rec image some time, with issue numbers and stuff.

>>81420104
I'm not overly familiar with this but I know that were various one-off crossovers in the 80s. Karma's first appearance is one such example.

>>81420165
Superhero films are killing superhero comics.

>>81420165
they said straight up they're only doing CW2 because they wanted something out when the movie came out so yeah

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>It isn't a flashback to Cyclops vs the Inhumans ending in him dying ina one on one fight with Medusa

>>81420587
>Medusa
>that worthless cunt being able to kill Rightclops

>>81420348
The films and the obnoxious trend followers, for sure.

Can't wait for the masses to move on to the some other fad.

>>81420165
>Anyone feel like Marvel is heading to a dead end?
Who on /co/ doesn't?

They are running on terribly unsustainable business practices right now and it's only a matter of time before it comes to bite them in the ass.

>>81415301
Sounds incredibly untrostworthy.
You didn't put much effort into this at all.

>>81420245
looks like it could be something worthy of praise, eventually.

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>>81420645
If she could close the distance she could kill him and it is possible for her to block a shot. If it is played like a strategic match it could be a good fight and more interesting than BB vs Cyke.

Sounds retarded so it's probably true.

>>81415301

Assuming it's true for a second, all this over not the movie rights. It's such a clusterfuck. And I'm prone to believe it because "time travelling assassins from the future maybe" is the same level of over-complicated clusterfuck that X-Men are.

I feel like if they needed to do this, they could of done it cleaner and easier. Maybe make it to where someone realizes no new mutants have been born in a long time? Leading to a replacement rate problem on top of maybe an active, actual genocide. Make the Sentinels useful for once and have them actually do their job?

>>81416045

Yeah that's the problem I was originally ranting about here. It's a shame and a clusterfuck. They don't HAVE to do this. Do the comic reading fans really care if the X-Men have to be in the same universe in the movies? Yes and no. Yes, it would be great and it sucks it doesn't happen, but no in the sense that we've come to accept the limitations on productions here. If you don't have the big screen interactions you at least have the real, comic interactions.


Watch though, ten years from now they'll reintroduce the X-Men "just like old times, they were in the same universe you know!"

>>81416128

>I can't even with you people

That whole page is cringeworthy shit. Why the fuck to they base their characters off the common denominator normie who doesn't even read these comics?

NOT OP HERE

But i can confirm this. It's actually been "in the know" for several people (editors) for a while.

The details are still being hammered out and as of right now i think the few mutants staying in 616 will be "unmutated" and be "New Men", from the high evolutionary. A miniseries will feature this soft retcon as it's main story.

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>>81421327
>NOT OP HERE
>But i can confirm this
I was hard-pressed to believe this, but then you showed up.
Now I'm convinced.
If it's from two different random strangers on the internet, it can't be wrong.

>>81419142
>is that the X-Men are plagued by their core concept

The problem is that the CORE CONCEPT has become the ONLY concept.

Mutant Acceptance wasn't suppose to be an actual goal or plot. It was just a lame excuse to explain why they're the good guys.

They should be fighting bad guys and saving the world, not actually getting lynched or vying for acceptance

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>>81415301
>pic related will be main writer
Based Brian Bendis! I can't wait.

>>81421561
I'm currently reading late 80s X-Men and it's pretty interesting how much the whole mutant prejudice stuff slowly starts devouring the books more and more.

>>81418889
>But out of nowhere, he left Marvel to work on his own books.
I will never forgive him for this. His Marvel work was my favorite modern superhero stuff and he just abandoned all those dangling threads... like tears in the rain...

>>81419977
>I just don't think they're the right people to good main-line X-Men titles.
You're a fucking idiot then. Remender was consistently Marvel's top writer and showed he could write good-to-great comics with a wide variety of characters and teams.

>>81421764
>I will never forgive him for this.
Don't blame him. Blame Marvel for dicking their writers around too much.

>>81415301
also Carol "wins" Civil War II

i call bullshit on this. no way they will let tony lose when they want him to be the face of the company now over spider-man

>>81420348

Would Marvel still bother publishing comics if they could get away with it? Release Star Wars books and annuals for big teams once a year to keep 'the name' out there. Is their history as a maker of comics and the public perception that 'Marvel makes comics' the only thing stopping them from shelving the entire business of monthly printed stories?

>>81420888
Fuck off, shithumanshill. No one cares about your shitty Medusa.

>>81420653
>>81420348
You know, with the MCU approaching its 10th anniversary, we're at a time where people are more familiar with MCU canon than 616 canon.

>>81421798
I was just never really feeling his Uncanny Avengers.
Sure, his X-Force was great for most of its run, but that's pretty different in tone.

Now you could say that it would be a breath of fresh air if the main titles changed their tone from what they usually are. But again - judging by his Uncanny Avengers, I really doubt I would like it too much.

I mean I would read that every time over pretty much anything Marvel is doing or planning right now. But it would never be my ideal choice.

Is there anything more convoluted than comics?

>>81421808
>Blame Marvel for dicking their writers around too much.
I do, but Marvel has taken a nose dive since he left. I wish he could have stayed around long enough to tie up all those plot threads he left at least. Just fucking sucks when your favorite writer decides to stop writing your favorite genre. Maybe DC will snatch him up in the near future.

>>81421987
I absolutely loved his Uncanny Avengers. In fact, I think it's more consistent than his Uncanny X-Force (including the art). But Remender wasn't afraid about changing the tone if you've ever read his Captain America or Punisher runs. He wasn't afraid to take those characters into completely different directions so I have little doubt his plans for the X-Men would have AT LEAST been refreshing and interesting.

So, given that Marvel and DC are the worst things ever (regardless of whether or not this is true), what should I be reading? I'm having good luck with Image and IDW right now.

>>81422014
those long running daytime soaps are basically live action comics without (for most past) superpowers

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>>81421896
>Cyclops supposedly killed by the Inhumans
>upset when an Inhuman comes up in a discussion about his death

>>81422211
Valiant

>>81422014
Doubt it.
That's what happens when you have dozens of comics in the same universe going at one time, forcing most of them to acknowledge each other, interrupting them for status quo changing events, forcing said status quos to stay with some books, and having them go on for decades.

It took only a few years for the Ultimate Universe to become so accumulated with continuity that they wanted to wipe it clean.

>>81422211
Check out Valiant. Consistently good-to-great comics with a solid continuity. My only complaint is they focus too much on synergy between all the books because of that solid continuity.

>>81422211
you should also check out the 2 new wonder woman books, one by Morrison, the other by Rucka, one of the few guys to have written great wonder woman runs.
Sometimes that doesnt work, when Claremont returned to the XMen in the 2000s it didnt, but it may work.
Also, if it retcons the Azzarello run, it will be basically Wonder Woman 1.

I am an XMen fan, and I am more interested currently in DC than Marvel.

>>81422306

Didn't they just finish up a series of books that are literally "here's how all the characters die"? Seems like a pretty good time to start if there's a more-or-less concrete beginning and end.

Is it like Marvel/DC books where they weave in and out of each other or can I just pick a character I like the look of, read that run to the end, and then start a new character?

>>81421960
Lol that was immediately accomplished with the arrival of the first Iron Man movie.

There might be pretty pictures in some of the books sometimes, but they are still books.

>>81422405
>I am an XMen fan, and I am more interested currently in DC than Marvel.

you are getting a separate mutie universe soon. dont despair

Sounds like a whole lot of nothing that hasn't happened already.

>>81422417
>Didn't they just finish up a series of books that are literally "here's how all the characters die"? Seems like a pretty good time to start if there's a more-or-less concrete beginning and end.
They did and I've heard good things about Bloodshot after this event.

>Is it like Marvel/DC books where they weave in and out of each other or can I just pick a character I like the look of, read that run to the end, and then start a new character?
They are like Marvel and DC in that they also do crossovers and events, but this site might help with that.

http://vertigology.net/2015/12/09/the-complete-valiant-reading-order/

My advice would be to pick a book that interests you, read it, and read the crossovers/events that book shows up in. X-O Manowar was especially great when I was reading it so I recommend that one first.

>>81422462
No we aren't. They are canceling the X-Men and folding the characters they aren't killing into the other books, like they've done with the F4.

These rumors are fake.

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>>81422417
Depends on the series. The first Archer and Armstrong run has a couple crossover issues with Bloodshot and the H.A.R.D. Corps, but those are the only ones super interconnected to the point that it was included in the Archer and Armstrong trades as oppose to the Bloodshot trades. Also, the Fall of Ninjak was my single favorite issue of anything last year.

>>81415301
Maximum bullshit

You retards with no brains keeps spouting the same retarded nonsense of how "X-Men and mutants don't make sense in Marvel, they should be separate" like the casual low-IQ filth that you willfully are.

1. There were fucking MILLIONS of mutants at one point, the general public had a reason to be genuinely concerned, they weren't random people that were TESTED by action and had PROVED themselves to be responsible with their powers and saved lives.
2. You're probably the kind of people that are stupid enough to be racist so you understand that racists exist, you are them after all and we can't seem to get rid of you. (Receive death soon, please)
3. There were deliberate falseflag and worse, legitimate racist actions conducted for and against mutants resulting in fatalities occurring all over the world for years. They had ISIS going on at a much higher level for fucking years, think about that.

People were going to hate mutants, it made sense. What did you think the Avengers were gonna do about it? Fucking attend every rally?

>B-but the Avengers aren't helping, why aren't the other heroes helping.

Let's just make it so the X-Men book is about them calling the Avengers and then going to eat dinner while the Avengers do everything for them.

SIX HUNDRED ISSUES OF EATING DINNER/PLAYING VIDEO GAMES WHILE THE AVENGERS DO EVERYTHING

YES

THIS IS WHAT X-BOOKS SHOULD BE

>>81415301
>Timegazer
We know it's Homer, you dumb fuck. Didn't even try

>>81415301

"HURR DURR TIMEGAZER"

You're an idiot. None of this is particularly plausible.

>>81423265
>SIX HUNDRED ISSUES OF EATING DINNER/PLAYING VIDEO GAMES WHILE THE AVENGERS DO EVERYTHING
So Bendis' X-men run then.

>>81423349
>We know it's Homer
His name is Ulysses, not Homer. Homer is what the NeoGaf "leak" said his name was, which may or may not have been the case at some point, but his official name is Ulysses.

>>81423265
>SIX HUNDRED ISSUES OF EATING DINNER/PLAYING VIDEO GAMES WHILE THE AVENGERS DO EVERYTHING

Throw some fucking and danger room scenes in there and you've got what people really want

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>>81415558
>Marvel isn't that retarded
>One More Day
>Ultimatum
>Secret Wars
>Avengers vs X-Men
>Fear Itself
>Civil War
>Civil War 2
>Anything written by Bendis

>>81415301
Well I guess now we know why Wanda and Pietro were officially de-mutanted.

>>81423265
exactly, x men is a soap opera about a paramilitary group with superpowers, the drama between the members and their relationship is as important as the fighting part.

>>81416220

help me, /co/. I think jean has made me gay.

>>81422611

I think Hickmans Secret Wars were an event made to be the burial of the Fantastic 4, and this new event may be the burial of the XMen.

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>>81415301
>some kind of horrible "storm" that threatens to collapse the timeline.
>The "storm" can only be resolved by removing all the mutants from the universe, which sparks big time chaos about how to resolve the issue.
Ultimates already confirmed that time can take any ridiculous amount of shit without snapping. The timeline would just spring right back

>>81423581
You're right, an entire book of nothing but the R&R part of their lives would actually be interesting, I'll admit that.
>>81425081
Yes, coping with the challenges of life and the responsibility of power is a great aspect of X-Men.

I think it's to SOME credit that there are people out there that are genuinely confused/annoyed by the racism aspect being present in the Marvel/X books...but also to some detriment since even if you can't fathom it yourself you are living in a world with it already.

I can also understand the argument that it's a weak/cheap writing tactic like rape/drugs.

>>81423265
>You retards with no brains keeps spouting the same retarded nonsense of how "X-Men and mutants don't make sense in Marvel, they should be separate" like the casual low-IQ filth that you willfully are.

Wait a minute. I've been noticing those kinds of posts you mention kept increasing on /co/ over the years. Could they actually be done by people from Marvel or working with Marvel to coerce people into accepting the idea before it's put into the books?

>>81416045
Like OP said, some of the big names will stick around probably and that definitely means at least one version of Logan, so.

>>81415301
>The "storm" can only be resolved by removing all the mutants from the universe
Someone shove Perlmutter out a window and make peace with Fox already.

>>81422611
>They are canceling the X-Men and folding the characters they aren't killing into the other books, like they've done with the F4.
This is literally a tantrum Perlmutter is having over not getting back the rights to those characters.

WELL FUCK YOU I'LL KILL OFF THOSE CHARACTERS AND YOU'LL LOSE YOUR AUDIENCE

I guess it comes easily to a guy who killed kids during the Six Day War

>>81415558
>Marvel isn't that retarded
They have already started replacing mutants with inhumans, undoing AvX's repopulation effects. It's obvious that sooner or later they'd try to get rid of the X-Men fully without actually stopping publishing books about them (They still sell well after all).

This is most likely fake, but far from unbelievable. Well within Marvel's crappy writing in the pursuit of MCU/comics Synergy.

>>81417440
>Important role in Civil War
>Important role in Secret Invasion
>Pretty much main role in Hickman's Avengers, New Avengers, and Secret Wars 2015
>Irrelevant

Sure, alright.

It worked so well for the Avengers and the Fantastic Four in the 90s

>>81415879
>16 years of sucky movies
2 bad movies, 2 good movies, 4 GOAT movies?

>>81429379
The Wolverine was not good.

>>81415301
So... do we have to read a bunch of other shit to read this?

>>81428087
Can't tell if /pol/ or tumblr...

>>81421750

Shit like "God loves.." worked because it was pretty sparing.

The rest of time it was basically just space villains, a mutant with a bee up their up but or an experimental robot gone amok.

yeah sentinels where created to hunt mutants but it was just an explanation for a villain

>>81415301
>putting mutantkind in doomsday scenarios is the ANAD X-Men status quo

>81428582

>Secret Wars 2015
It was another Reed vs Doom fight. Phoenix Rightclops jobed to Doom.

>>81427874
Nah, I'm pretty sure it's just one or two losers obsessed with their own stupidity and keep spamming it here because the sad truth is...they have nothing else.

>>81415301
>The Death of X event coming this Fall is a prelude to a much larger event coming next year

You don't fucking say

All Marvel can do now is crossover events

Forget quality stories, forget world building and character development

There is only crossover events and fake heat

>>81435966
Mustn't even be the same people. The whole idea of "the X-Men are hated but F4 are loved, therefore X-Men should have their own universe" is something a lot of people consider when starting out with Marvel comics. It's inevitable that this thread keeps popping up again and again.

>>81415301
Sounds interesting.

Besides the X books and the Avengers books were already pretty segregated. Even more so now as the inhumans are taking their X-men's place as the hated and persecuted minority.

>killing of x-men comics casue they wont return rights
>killing of f4nt4sticf4ou4 comic cause thye wont return rights
ayyy Marvelcucks are the worst

It's another excuse for shitty writers to "re-boot" a franchise because working with the established history and character developed is just "too hard" for them to sperg their shite around. What it leads to is stuff like the Ultimate Universe which is more or less the sames stories just told over again with the 90s or 00s or whenever dials turned up to eleven so you get "The ultimate universe version of the Age of Apocalypse or the Spider Clone Saga or name a story" rather than fresh content its just remixing.

Can be interesting sure but tends not to be after the nth+1 time and leads to shit like Reed Richards from this point on being characterized as a total ass that doesn't care about his family because that is how the Ventur Bros. ran a joke and using that widely known joke in earnest means the new writers don't have to bother getting to grips with the characters actual history, if you can do it in a reality warp reboot so much the better to wave away.

>>81417188
Pretty good man. We got all the best exclusives. I'll take quality over money any day.

Mutants belong in concentration camps and mass graves

NOT in a separate universe. Unless that universe is meant to contain threats too large to allow free int he multiverse and is eventually euthanized.

>>81418216

Yeah /co/ has been calling for this. Watch /co/ get it and then complain about it.

/co/ is always wrong.

>>81422014
Internet drama

>>81436321
This here very much.

And what i think reboots do is loosing longtime readers. Be it that the reboot feel cheap or many think the new stories dont live up to the former stories.

>>81437197
>And what i think reboots do is loosing longtime readers
Not X-fags. If O5 sells, I mean, what the fuck can we talk about? But God forbid anyone buy All-New X-Factor. I guess nobody gives fuck about Gambit and Cypher.

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So being that the x men were created solely to prove that segregation wasnt the answer, and that minorities could live amongst others in peace, this is marvel admitting they were wrong and teaching kids that segregation is actually the answer.

What the fuck are they thinking?!?! Im beyond done with their shit. Fem thor was crossing the line but this is burning the bridge. Fuck marvel.

>>81437301
I kinda like how they're gassing minority and nobody calls them out about it, both in comic and reality.

>>81437336
Its so fucked up it pains me to have to comment on it. I was bullied as a kid for my race and xmen were the comics i could relate to the most. Im honestly ashamed to have been a marvel fan if this turns out to be true.

>>81419951
>Marvel's pushing Movie crap
And it's your fault, /co/.

>>81436321
He euthanized his own son. Him being a villain and not giving a shit about his family isnt a joke, its a fact that was played out over 30 years. Have you ever even read a FF comic before?

>>81421808
Is there a chance he'd come back, or has that shipped sailed at this point?

>>81437411
Enough money is hell of a argument.

>>81415301
>make room for a potential "X universe"
we had that. We had the entire Earth X/Universe X/Paradise X trilogy

>>81416024
>FalCap
>not Captain Falcon
wow

>>81419951
It's kinda sad that wrestling terminology is so very applicable to comic book characters, goes to show just how much they flip flop their personalities between extremes.

>>81437472
they both work with the same kind of action/soap opera storytelling that's the western equivalent to shonan fightan anime

>>81437548
Sure but wrestling is infamous for having so little cohesion in its 'plots' with their stars doing enough hell/face turning to put a Russian ballet to shame.

>>81437472
>wrestling terminology is so very applicable to comic book characters
Well, both have the same audience: white trash

>>81422059
Duggan is tying up plot threads.

>>81437652
Too bad he sucks.

>>81438056
Does he? I was thinking of trying his indies.

>>81437301

Jesus that's a good point.

Considering Marvel's diversity push you'd think they'd be playing the X-men up more now than ever.

I guess all that virtue signaling takes a backseat to movie synergy.

And of course Deadpool will be immune to this, should it come to pass.

A reminder that the last time Marvel characters moved to alt pocket universe, marvel bankrupted

>>81438298
>Valiant makes Deathmate
>Marvel moves muggas to alternate reality
Come on, you can crash industry once again.

>>81422211
Valiant is surprisingly good, if you have a time to get into their universe

>>81427874
Yup. In case you didn't notice, /co/ is marvelshill central. Check CWII threads if you have doubts

>>81438314
I would be the happiest person if the story repeated itself at least in this case

>>81438298
>Marvel goes bankrupt and has to sell their movie properties again
>Warner Bros buys them all up
They'll be fine as long as the public doesn't get tired of Superhero movies any time soon.

>>81438498
They have a sugar daddy now.
If marvel comics stop making money, it will mean no more monthly floppies, only movie tie-ins, occasional gn and etc. I'm surprised that Disney didn't start a Star Wars Comics line instead of publishing them under marvel label

>>81438084
I have no idea honestly. What little of his I've read tells me he's a comedic writer, which isn't my thang.

>>81418536
>Robinson
he hasn't cared about comics since jla and new krypton turned out to be massive disappointments

>>81415434
you like your pander thor?

>>81415301
Carol wining civil war 2 is the only thing factual about this post. They keep trying to redeam her shitty arcs and civil war was one of them

All aboard the Rebirth train!

Fuck marvel

>>81439770
>there is only Marvel or DC

>>81415342
We have both, the Ultimate Mjolnir made its way to 616 and so now Male Thor has it.

>>81439853
Company wars is what /co/ is best at

>>81415301
>Some specific mutants *might* stick around in the 616, but I don't know which.
Deadpool?
Wolverine?
Namor?
Beast?

>>81440344
>not a mutant
>dead so probably
>dead
>why would he?

>>81440415
>why would he?
Muh Hank/Simon bromance.

I'm so fucking pissed, fuck them.

It probably won't help a thing but I'm not going to see any of their movies from now on.

>>81439899
>Legacy characters get the iconic weapons
>The actual, true wielders of said weapons need to use secondary stuff

Steve Rogers and Thor deserve their iconic weapons. Want to keep Falcon around? Give him a cool wing motif shield. Fuck off with this duel wielding shit, Marvel.

>>81440444
>marvel will never do something cool with Simon again
Why live

I've given up on "leaks" posted here, but I would love to see the X-Men get their own universe.

>>81440492
Mjolnir from alternate universe is still real Mjolnir though.

>>81438904
Babbys first bate, mate.

>>81440492
>true wielders

X-Men are Dead, Long live X-Men

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>>81440415
>why would he?
Furfag money

>>81440492

>muh status quo

Don't worry, when sales get low they will hype Cap and Thor going back to their "iconic status" and when their "iconic status" comics gets low sales they will die or some shit and come back to life months after and they will become transgender minorities again and go back to their former selves again and so on

Such is the cyclic immortal life of capeshit characters

>We told Marvel to kill every mutant to spite Fox
>And the madman actually did it!

>>81444042
Fuck off.

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>>81444061

>>81444061
We shall not stop, until we get the answers that we crave

>>81415789
>>81416034
>>81417855
>>81417902
>>81438904
All these people taking bait.

>>81415488
Their movies are too good.