What went wrong?

>>81406564
Getting Snyder, Nolan and Goyer for the new Superman movie.

>>81406564
>Directed by Zack Snyder
>Wrote by Chris Terrio and David Goyer
>Story by Zack Snyder and David Goyer
>Next TDK
How?

>>81406564
The writing was on the wall, you refused to read it and set yourself up for disappointment.

>lets cut 30-40 minutes of a film that's supposed to kick start the next 5-6 years worth of movies

Why did the studio allow the film to balloon to 3 hours in the first place?

Rewrites. If you need to rewrite a script that close to production its gonna be shit. No way around it.
Shitty director. Good cinematographer but he sucks at narrative which is unfortunate given how plot heavy he made this movie.
Also his retarded fucking wife picking Eisenberg to play Lex. She needs to never be involved in another DC move.
Thats basically it. Everything else about the movie was good but those two things.
Its still an equal parts good and bad movie and didnt deserve the scores it got fron reviewers

>>81406564
Snyder.
Goyer.
Baaaaaad.

>>81406564
too much into one movie, trying to appease two groups of people (trying to appeal to "too dark!" but only superficially) and losing even more on both sides.

The people that hated this movie REALLY hated it and spent their time ensuring no one else would watch it.

>>81406564
I was accusing of trolling by DC fans for posting

-Got to wikipedia
-search Zack Snyder
-click on filmography
-and realize he never made a good movie

this is not a surprise, this is obvious.

>>81406583
>>81406588
>>81406614
>>81406617
>>81406620
>>81406677
>no quips
I see.

>It was supposed to make billions
Is 1.5 billion considered billions? Because that's probably what WB was expecting/hoping for in their more ambitious estimates. 1.2 in their lower estimates.

>It was supposed to be the next TDK
Oh come now, you can't say something like that. Only carnie barkers and corporate yes-men can say things like that. Even if Nolan were making it no one can make a claim like that. Not every Coen film is No Country For Old Men. No one could reasonably expect a claim like that.

>Terrio was supposed to save us
He was? How does /co/ even know about Terrio? Have you even seen Argo? Not a huge fan, myself. Rather slow and trodding.

>>81406614
Stan hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.

Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Mouse and the True Believers.

Why doesn't WB give a million to Trump? That would have improved film reviews.

>>81406564
Bad writing
Bad director
Rushed plot

>It was supposed to be the next TDK

A crap movie that people pretend to be good because one of the main actors died?

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>>81406728
And don't forget the THANK YOU BASED TERRIO post that were spammed on this board

>>81406815
That was false flagging m8.

>>81406836
It wasn't. We were getting threads like this every single day.

>>81406583

I want to believe a nolan directed MoS would have atleast been cruitically acclaimed and eaily better than MoS by Hack Snyder

>>81406836
Lol, I'm pretty sure it was you.

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>>81406564
>It was supposed to make billions

You're blowing this out of proportion.

Pic related.

Now it might not be a super-duper hit, but it's going to be a hit. Maybe even a regular super hit.

>>81406843
Then we were getting false flagged every single day.

Most people here don't care for company wars and just want a good film. Not this extreme shit.

>>81406564
What's its box office so far?

>>81406861
Nope. But I can't prove it and neither can you.

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Why are marvelcux so assblasted?

>>81406879
Under expectations.

>>81406873
Are you trying to convince anyone that the multiple shill threads we had everyday were just marvel fans falseflagging?

Do you have any evidence on your theories?

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>>81406677
Stay absolutely mad.

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>>81406894
Because

>>81406894
Joke's on you I like Power Rangers and Sentai.

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>>81406916
UNDERussos are bigger hacks than Snyder

Hahaha

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>>81406902
It's true.

>>81406947
Ebin

>>81406890
Well I can't prove it, but the fact that the three last times this image was posted you jumped right in to claim it's falseflagging is suspicious by itself.


Also, your immediate responses give away that you spend a lot of hours on this board.
Just like the person who obviously kept creating the bvs shill threads everyday.

it fits.

This movie is the Jai Courtney of Superhero films.

Hollywood keeps pushing it in my face trying to make me like it, but I don't. For Jai Courtney we have far more talented good looking young actors in guys like Michael B. Jordan and Channing Tatum for that. And as for B v S, we have avengers, we have Marvel we don't need your knockoff grimdark bullshit.

>>81406909

Mad about what?

If you have to resort to "the director's cut will be better" you have a problem

That problem is Snyder by the way

How fucking butthurt can this 1.jpg person be?

>>81407022
I do spend a lot of time here, but when that guy posted that thread I was one of those telling him to stop jumping the gun.

I just can't believe people were that desperate to be right, oh well.

>>81406616
All of Snyder's films overrun and then have to be trimmed down. Hence the directors cuts. The guy has no idea how to pace a movie.

>>81406836
>That was false flagging m8.
Bull-fucking-shit

There were threads talking about how this was going to change cinema and be the best seller of all time for months on end. There was someone even saying it would be bigger than Force Awakens

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>>81407160
>There was someone even saying it would be bigger than Force Awakens

I remember that talk. As if any movie this year was going to be as big as the movie that got the President to have stormtroopers in the White House and hold a family/military special showing on opening night. Episode 8 won't be as big as Force awakens never mind B S.

>>81407277
I bet Obama was let down like I did.

>>81406713
>JAR OF PISS

I can meme too Anon.

>>81407303
*I was

dammit

>>81407160
Maybe they were /tv/ posters fucking with us.

I imagine most DC fans on /co/ would be cautiously hyped not go full retard.

>>81407375
This guy >>81407381 is literally going full retard.

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>>81406564
I thought it performed well enough to start the franchise.

I look forward to Cyborg, Wonder Woman, Flash and strangely enough Aquaman.

I loved the movie, and consider its Batman to be the best depiction ever in a film.

Fuck the critics.
We are going to get some great films from this.

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>>81407375

>tfw you got your hopes up for an aquaman movie and now snyder has basically killed it by ensuring a rushed suicide squad 2 and batman film for 2018

>>81406916
Are you saying FLCL is a bad thing?

>>81406815
>>81406843
>>81406902
Jesus Christ, are you from /v/? Do you sincerely not know how trolling works?

99% of trolling has nothing to do with supporting either side of a dipshit console war. It has 100% to do with getting reactions. Since it looked like the movie was not going to be good, the best source of reactions was arrogantly insisting that it would be.

This is the best capeshit movie since avengers

>>81407381
>he's a marveldrone
With nothing to back it up. It seems as if you're feeling got hurt

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I enjoyed it and won't apologize for it.

>>81407381
FANTASTIC FOUR WAS A PERFECT MOVIE

THE CRITICS WERE JUST DC SHILLS

TRANK DINDU NUFFIN!

>>81406879
Right now it's 587mil total gross

Not bad but not good either, especially with more than half coming from foreign countries

It's probably stop at around 850mil bros

>>81407744
>g-guys I swear DC fans are good, please don't make fun of us

>>81408256

It has Jungle Book and Civil war over the next few weeks, around the $800m mark is pretty realistic

>DUDE

>>81406564
Fucked up editing nad too many unnecessary scenes aka nightmare, the flash, meta human.

This movie should be around 2 hours not more than that.

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>lets put 6 movies worth of world building into one movie, what could go wrong

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>>81408301
Mad/10

They expected the film to make millions cause they see Disney and Marvel do it. The invest all this cash to make it produced yet they never actually sat down and looked at "how" Marvel became such a success. Parents and kids see these movies and bring in lots of the cash, instead they serve this film as grim dark so that no kid would see this, they play it in spring when you are typically not in season for grim dark films and your film holds characters that a lot of people in other countries have never really heard of.

>>81406564
what part about Zack Snyder do you still not understand?

>>81408256
>>81406879
Not terribly, just not, y'know, Super:

http://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/box-office-batman-v-superman-1201744334/

Just a 68% drop on Saturday. No record breaking gains or losses this weekend.

>>81406564
Idiots, mostly the critics.

>>81406564
>$644,222,793
J-just a bit more, guys

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>>81408410

>>81406564
>What went wrong
It was a capeshit movie

You should stop making those

>>81408506
Yeah, no. It'll be lucky to break $600m

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>>81407879
There is nothing to apologize for, it was a great movie

>>81408551
>

>>81408625
What?

>>81408652
He is saying
>Implying it will earn that much

>>81408652
Anon said it'll be lucky to break $600m when it's already passed that point

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm

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If you layered the pretentiousness of MoS over Spiderman 3, you'd get Batman V Superman. It probably would have been two or three pretty solid movies had it not been frankenstein'd together.

>>81408692
>>81408506
Mine is showing $682,857,793

>>81408520
That consensus line is pretty dumb. I thought this movie had too little action, especially for a Snyder flick.

>>81406863
Deadpool and Zootopia are still going to beat it. Zootopia may even beat it next weekend.

>>81408368
This

>>81406564
A very good movie that made less money because critics lied about it. If it weren't for the blatant lying by the critics, more people would have seen it.

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GUYS WE DID IT


$682,857,793


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm

>>81406564
Director, Bad casting decisions except for Aflec and Cavill

>>81408999
A billion or gtfo

>>81408999
You're like 1 billion short of your initial expectations

>>81406564
get bruce timm or morrison for the script

>>81408604
I'm pretty sure Snyder himself made that pic.

>>81408692
>>81408506
>>81408746
>>81408999
Heh, a week already passed and it still won't hit 700 million yet...this shit will be the biggest disappointment capeshit ever made.

>>81408999
>won't even reach 1 billion
J U S T
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>>81409156
JUST WHAT
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>>81409039
Of all the things this movie did wrong, casting was low on the list. Not liking Eisenberg's Joker/Luthor is understandable, and Gadot's hokey acting can be awkward but even then she worked the part pretty well, especially in the fight sequence. Other than that, everyone was pretty spot on or impressive. It was poor writing at times that dragged down performances, rarely casting decisions or acting chops.

>>81406863
Keep moving those goal posts.

>>81406894
Power Rangers has great fight choreography though.

>>81406969
SPD was good though

>>81409218
and you can thank nips or that.

>>81409152
Deadpool cost like 1/5 of what Batman v. Superman did and has made more by being true to the comics.

SURELY they'll realize that's the way to go, right?

>>81409294
No because Ryan Reynolds had to wrest production control out of Fox's slimy claws.

>>81409039
>not liking Jeremy Alfred
please leave

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Help me bros

I can't fucking take this I have been literally crying for the past few hours

Wake me up from this nightmare

This wasn't supposed to happen

This was supposed to be the movie that saves DC

This was our time DC bros, OUR FUCKING TIME

WE WAITED THREE FUCKING YEARS

BATMAN AND SUPERMAN TOGETHER ON SCREEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY AND IT'S A FUCKING FLOP WHAT THE FUCK WENT WRONG

>>81409490
Critics attempted to kill momentum but only slowed it down. Make all your buddies see it in theaters. If you don't have friends, go get some.

>What went wrong?

Zack Snyder. You can blame everything on the amateurish, and pretentious film making of Zack goddamn Snyder. Dude's a hack. I'm beginning to think 300 and Watchmen being at least watchable was a fluke.

>>81409364
So the actual solution would be for DC to get its own seperate movie studio like Marvel has
im all for this

>>81409515
You bastard. They'll never learn to make GOOD movies if you keep giving them money for shit!

Still not beating IM3 yet

>>81409700
That would help, and having a Kevin Feige equivalent (Geoff Johns would be my pick) is a must.

>>81408999
>$682,857,793
>He thinks this is good
>He's okay with something titled Batman v Superman literally struggling to make a billion

This is going to round out at 800-900m tops

>>81409515
Don't award shitty filmmaking. You deserve better DCbros.

>>81406564
>What went wrong

They tried to make artistic blockbuster. Too smart to casuals, too "pretentious" and differebt to the critics. But at least they tried. In couple of years people will look back and discover the beauty behind BvS.

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>literally a company wars thread
>still not deleted

>>81409706
This was a good movie. Batman was a crimefighter, scientist, and detective. Superman acted like Superman (finally). Wonder Woman seemed alright to me, but I don't like her very much so I wouldn't know. The plot works if you pay attention. The "problems" are so minuscule that they can be easily fixed.

>>81409808
I don't think you can call a movie smart when it has zero establishing shots in the entire thing which makes scene transitions incredibly jarring. It's ok to pull that shit every couple scenes, but to have a whole movie at it felt weird and unfinished.

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>>81406815
>that pic

>>81409808
>Too smart to casuals, too "pretentious" and differebt to the critics
I love this idea that Snyder is actually some kind of misunderstood genius trying to create art when he's just a hack who thinks he's an auteur

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>>81409152
>>81409800

It's at $680 million and saturday and sunday numbers aren't even out yet


Stay mad

>>81409866
>Batman was a detective
>Superman acted like Superman
>The plot works
>"problems" are so minuscule
I'd argue against these

>The critical reception don't matter
>Opening box office doesn't matter, who cares if they opened it up in all territories.
>The drop doesn't matter
>They don't need to make a billion, even though they said they did
>It's a conspiracy by Marvel and Disney to falsify reports
>Well...well IT'S JUST 2DEEP4YOU

And now we're at the point where the best these people can do is try to create dank retarded memes involving toku

>>81409957
>literally all analysts say it won't go over 900 at this rate

>m-marvel btfo

>>81409957
But it's 680 millions exactly because the Saturday numbers are already out

>>81409957
>and saturday and sunday numbers aren't even out yet
But they are?

>>81409957
>1.jpg

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If only they kicked Snyder off

Why is it taking them so long to realize that Snyder has to fucking go

>>81409966
Didn't you see the part with the "white Portuguese?" Superman was trailing Bruce and dropped everything once he saw the news showing people in danger, that felt like Superman to me. The plot does work, what was wrong with it? The problems I've seen were small things like transitions, which admittedly I didn't notice because I'm not an expert on film-making.

>>81410045
Sundays is just an estimate.

>>81410035
That number includes an estimate of what today's box office will be.

>>81410128
mopey superman isn't superman

>>81408604

It would make more sense if it was Cavill's face as Jesus

>>81410128
How the hell do you frame Superman for getting people killed with bullets? Rare bullets specifically traceable to YOU?

Why the FUCK would you be on the point of beating someone to death and then lay off when you find out their mommy had the same name as yours?

Why was Superman so mad at Batman for doing basically the same vigilante assault shit he does, anyway?

Why and how did Lex even have Zod's body? He didn't have any of the other Kryptonian artifacts.

What exactly was Lex's plan with Doomsday? He just lets him run rampant forever?

>>81410341
>Mopey
As opposed to the Superman that dances and laughs all the time?
He's a fucking stoic, m8. Get your headcannon out of here.

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>>81408999
You will have to live knowing the only reason it did that much money was because there was absolutely no competition. Any other decent movie would have sucked the audiences, and DC fags would have to live with lesser known superhero movies stealing BATMAN AND SUPERMAN's thunder.

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>>81410469
>He's a fucking stoic
You mean Batman right?

>>81410449
>How the hell do you frame Superman for getting people killed with bullets?

He was being framed for escalating the situation and leading to the bloodbath.
The traceable bullets was fucking sloppy, BUT, there's also a dead CIA agent. So you have a dead spook and terrorists killed with prototype military ammunitions and that is something the government WILL not want to flaunt.

>Why the FUCK would you be on the point of beating someone to death and then lay off when you find out their mommy had the same name as yours?

Because Batman is crazy/triggered by his parents. Also, it humanized Superman

>Why was Superman so mad at Batman for doing basically the same vigilante assault shit he does, anyway?

Because he was praised for it, or at least helped for it in Gotham. While Superman gets all of the flack.

>Why and how did Lex even have Zod's body? He didn't have any of the other Kryptonian artifacts.

Did you fall asleep? The other senator GIVES Lex all of that shit.

>What exactly was Lex's plan with Doomsday? He just lets him run rampant forever?

Kill Superman.

>>81408999
>implying that's good
The movie blew its load on its opening weekend and it got absolutely obliterated at the box office this weekend. It'll be out of theatres in 2 weeks to make room for Civil War. Stay mad.

>>81410449
1. They tricked the public into believing that Superman's presence escalated the situation (obviously this wasn't true). The bullets were perhaps a payment to the mercenaries to get them to actually go through with thre plan or insurance to make sure that the government won't try to get involved and perhaps get implicated.

2. Batman stopped when hearing the name, and afterwards when he realized that it was his mother ended the fight because he would be no better than Joe Chill if he killed Superman.

3. Superman believed that Batman's tactics were too cruel and that no one should be doing that to others, even if Batman is a human. If Batman's tactics weren't so cruel, perhaps he would have liked him.

4. Lex asked the government for access and traded a cherry jolly rancher for it.

5. Yes. He's kind of retarded, like he is in the comics. He only thinks "Kill Superman!" And doesn't realize what problems he will create in the long-run, especially if he succeeds.

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>>81410469
>optimistic superman
>headcannon

>>81410531
AFTER he kills Superman, dude. Does Lex have any control over Doomsday?

>>81407146
I think I read the Russos only cut 5 minutes out of Winter Soldier
That movie had excellent pacing.

>>81410449
>How the hell do you frame Superman for getting people killed with bullets?

Jesus fucking Christ, how can so many people honestly be this retarded? That is not why people were mad at Superman. The people that got shot were just seen as a direct consequence and collateral damage of Superman deposing a warlord, not Superman killing them personally. People were losing their shit that Superman was now meddling with global politics and leaving bloody, chaotic uprisings in his wake a d blaming him for everything, which was Lex's plan all along.

>Why the FUCK would you be on the point of beating someone to death and then lay off when you find out their mommy had the same name as yours?

This probably is 2deep4u, but it humanized Superman. Until that moment Bruce had never thought of him as anything but an alien monster. Martha triggered Bruce's own childhood trauma and that made him realize Superman was just like him, a vigilante trying to do good. It cut through his feverish bloodlust and woke him up. Bruce started to consider Superman as a real person instead of just projecting his fear and cynicism on him.

>Why was Superman so mad at Batman for doing basically the same vigilante assault shit he does, anyway?

Because Batman was terrorizing and horribly torturing people and he was not cool with that. It's one of the most Superman type things he does in the movie.

>Why and how did Lex even have Zod's body? He didn't have any of the other Kryptonian artifacts.

Because the dude who was with Holly Hunter gave him access! It was directly shown in the film.

>What exactly was Lex's plan with Doomsday? He just lets him run rampant forever?

Kill Superman.

>>81409294
>Deadpool cost like 1/5 of what Batman v. Superman did and has made more by being true to the comics.
Not really, it made that by being much more entertaining. Comic accuracy isn't needed to make a good or bad, successful or bombing movie, because the movie is going to stand on its own. The theater isn't going to hand out comics to the viewers so they can see how accurate it is.

>>81410738
He thought he did. Of course he didn't, but Snyder and his wife have gone on record saying that Lex IMAGINED that he would have a connection to the monster.

>>81410738
He used his own blood to create him, I imagine Lex probably thought he could control him.

All of this 2deep4u and MUH RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM shit I've been seeing in these types of threads for past week reminds me of the days when people claimed Evangelion was deep and not just Anno shitting things that he thought looked cool against a wall.

>>81408999
>It only did bad the first sunday because it was easter!
>Drop next Sunday is still 45% drop from that number
Holy kek.

>>81410792
Because every good scientist knows blood relation implies obedience

>>81410876
It's Frankenstein.
Where he imagined a son.

>>81410876
Lex is a text bok case of a Mad Scientist, dude. One who always lets his hubris and hate for Superman cloud his judgement.

>>81410758
>>81410792
So basically the plot of Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

"Nuclear Man will do what I say! I made him with my own hair!"

Get the fuck out of here.

>>81409706
See it so you can plan out your fan edit when Snyder gives us another 40 minutes of footage to work with.

>>81406564
the problem is that it was fucking garbage

>>81409804
>>81409706
REEEEE GO AWAY DRONES

>>81409706
>Give money to a bad movie
>And then we got a good movie
That's how we got the new TMNT movie and the last 3 Fast and the Furious.

After watching my self today I feel like they were trying to put too much in one movie. I felt like flash and aquaman should have been end credit cameos. I also felt like the movie didn't really need the knightmare or doomsday either I mean I feel like doomsday is a justice league right not a trinity fight.

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>>81406815
>1.jpg fag is still around after getting utterly destroyed in this post

>>81406909
>>81406947
>>81406969
>>81408410
>>81408999
>wh-who cares the movie was awful, l-look at the box office that won't even hit projected numbers

>>81410865
That's just an estimate. It could still go up or down.

>>81406894
that's how Panther fights tho... lol, you don't complain about that if he fought like that in a show or comic.

>>81406564
They tried to make it deep.

Capeshit fans can't appreciate anything with any amount of depth.

If they just made it Superman and Batman bumping into each other at random, then fighting each other, then stopping because Doomsday spontaneously appeared so they could fight him and hug afterward, everyone would love it.

>>81409825
there's no furrfags or rollers in this thread so mods couldn't care less.

http://strawpoll.me/7266163/r

Why are the yes's winning, /co/? Are people who liked it too afraid to speak out?

>>81409881
>zero establishing shots in the entire

is it summer this early??

>>81411720
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/01/kevin-smith-batman-v-superman-actually-has-some-heart
http://nypost.com/2016/03/30/batman-v-superman-is-too-smart-for-marvel-fans/

>>81410755
Thing is, you can make a comic book character work easier on film if you don't try to reinvent the wheel, and stick with what made it work on paper on the first place and with the added bonus of having a small but vocal subsection of fans that will become living billboards for the movie, because they see reflected the thing they love just in another medium.

>>81411793
I liked it pham. It wasn't fantastic but it didn't deserve anywhere near a 30% on RT. Feels like it's gotten way too much criticism for how not bad it was.

>>81411720
>If they just made it Superman and Batman bumping into each other at random, then fighting each other, then stopping because Doomsday spontaneously appeared so they could fight him and hug afterward, everyone would love it.

That's exactly what happens in the movie, just with more angst, plotholes and "Muh Martha"

>>81411793
>not realizing you can enjoy aspects of a bad movie

just becuase it was shit overall didn't mean some parts weren't enjoyable, anon

>People bitch about the Jesus allegories being too blunt and not subtle at all
>Yet people can't follow the story's basic plot points established and even blatantly explained in the dialog talk shit about non-existent plot holes.

Da fug, /co/? How can a simple film like this be both too stupid AND too complex at the same time to most people?

Hey at least it got more money than MoS. Hope that's incentive enough for WB to not scrap the whole universe

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>>81411947
>DCCU flops
>DC puts the entire budget into new animated series and movies

>>81411889
But that's not asking if you liked specific parts. It's asking if you liked the movie, period.

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>>81410469
>it's not an S, on my world it means hope.

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Blatant DKR fellatio: The Movie

>>81410709
>Serious people can't be optimistic

>>81412034
>DKR return fans who hate BvS say it's barely an adaptation at all
>DKR haters who hate BvS say it's an utter homage to the book

So which one is it?

>>81412034
It always is.

>>81412095
It's a fellatio, not an adaptation.
There was no Superman being Obama's buttboy, but goddamn did the producers loved old man bruce beating people and power armor batman vs superman fight.
Rubber Explosions, honest.

>>81411923
This is what confuses me. The hatred of the movie seems to fall into two camps most of the time, and those two camps hate it for literally the opposite and mutually-exclusive reasons. Half say it's too confusing because Snyder doesn't do a good enough job explaining what's going on, and the other half hate it for being too in-your-face and "obvious".

Surely one of those two sides has to just be in angry confusion.

>>81410045
today is sunday, anon.

don't tell me some of you guys aren't keeping track of reality either.....

>>81410128
>The problems I've seen were small things like transitions, which admittedly I didn't notice because I'm not an expert on film-making.
'synder apologist' here, been saying this since the beginning as well

>>81412333
"too obvious" because you literally see Superman descending from the skies with an heavenly glow behind him.
"too confusing" mostly because until the last third the movie is just a series of barely connected sketches.
Not really that mutually exclusive.

You know I really don't like DC, didn't like any movie besides TDK, hate the comics, but fuck this movie was great.
Atheists can suck dick.

>>81406564
i liked it
it was more enjoyable than most capeshit flicks

I guess it just wasn't what people wanted.
I'm glad they made it

>>81412034
That scene was dope though.

>>81409294
no offense no one reads comics
it was popular because family guy and two broke girls are popular

plus the Hot Topic Crowd likes deadpool shirts

>>81411881
>That's exactly what happens in the movie, just with more angst, plotholes and "Muh Martha"
This is what they mean by Marveldrones being too stupid to get it. They fight in the movie because Lex Luthor manipulated them into it. Lex Luthor has been gaslighting Batman the same way he's been gaslighting cripple-guy-who-blows-himself-up. And into doing the same thing. Dying trying to destroy Superman.

Superman is also being manipulated, but deep in his heart he doesn't believe what Batman's doing is right. Batman is doing what Superman is blamed for doing, interfering without government oversight. Except Superman is being framed, and Batman seems to enjoy torturing people on his own (again, because gaslighting).

>>81412451
>"too confusing" mostly because until the last third the movie is just a series of barely connected sketches.

Except it is from the very start clearly building to the climax where all the plot threads converge. Just because you do not immediately see the connecting dots does not make it confusing and badly done, it's intentionally keeping the details vague because it delivers a couple of important twists that make you view the entire story in a new light when you realize what has been going on.

>>81412565
>Lex Luthor manipulated them into it. Lex Luthor has been gaslighting Batman the same way he's been gaslighting cripple-guy-who-blows-himself-up. And into doing the same thing. Dying trying to destroy Superman.


this is where wonder woman comes in. boys are too busy fighting because of their blurry mental vision. all the women and men don't see each other as they are at the beginning. by the end women and men collaborate on equal footing
>wonder woman is lady justice
>batman and superman to either side of her

>>81412657
Nothing that happens has anything to do with Doomsday you stupid cunt.

>>81412657
This. There are many movies that structure themselves like this that are considered "artful" for doing so, and there are many, many more comic books that structure themselves like that.

>>81412721
Doomsday is a tool. He is not a character. He is purely a weapon. Doomsday is nothing more than an extension of Lex. If Lex brought out his power suit in act 3, you wouldn't say "Nothing in this movie built up to the power suit!!", but it's exactly the same. Only retards think Doomsday deserves more than the ending of a movie. he doesn't. He's a complete non-character from a shitty marketing campaign in the 1990s.

Honestly I can see this movie end up being a
>Hated when it came out but as time went opinions changed
case, that's how things went for the thing.

>>81410132
>>81410172
Which means the real number will be less than 680 million, that's always how it goes for BvS. Wow, this is beyond pathetic a movie about the great Superman and a fucking Batman won't even reach 800 million.

How can this shit even possible? Is Snyder a fucking genius in a retard way?

>>81412797
I just find it funny that Zack Snyder is "pretentious" for doing the same type of shit directors who are regarded as great do.

And no, I'm not trying to say Zack Snyder is great, I'm trying to say that anyone who views people like Kubrick as mavericks who transformed the genre should stop for a minute and realize that at least half if not more of the critics in his day thought he was a pretentious piece of shit as well.

>>81412721
Lex's entire reasoning for getting Zod's body and access to the ship is so he can fuck with Kryptonian DNA. Doomsday was always his backup plan if Batman failed to kill Superman.

>>81412816
He managed to make superman an even bigger joke than aquaman to casuals. That takes some fucking talent, no matter how you look at it.

>>81412777
>If Lex brought out his power suit in act 3, you wouldn't say "Nothing in this movie built up to the power suit!!", but it's exactly the same.
No I wouldn't because as awful as Lex was he was in the goddamn movie with screen time with the other characters and didn't show up for 10 minutes by accident to roar at the Justice League.

Dunno what i hate more, bad clint eastwood impression or voice modulator.
Can't he just talk? Like the other guy can pretty much go incognito and all he has to do is put a pair of glasses and not apply gel to his increasingly male pattern baldness hair.

>>81412816
Man of Steel was the first Superman movie to go beyond 500 million

No Batman movie went over 500 million before the dark knight.

>>81412797

I think it works better on repeat viewings. At first you don't know what's a dream, who's trolling who and so forth. I think the only things the movie could have done without are Lois' bullet subplot and the JL cameos.

>>81412918
>Still missing the point
Doomsday IS NOT a character. He's a weapon.

>>81412866
>I just find it funny that Zack Snyder is "pretentious" for doing the same type of shit directors who are regarded as great do

Skill and competency often play a big role.

>>81412777
doomsday represents:
>monsters as a trope
>mythic creature for hero to overcome
>cg monster in capeshit
>nuclear weaponry
>promethean fire, man's perverted use of knowledge
>perversion of power, man's unrestrained,perverted use of power
>the doubt cynicism and fear within all the movie
>dialectic anthesis to superman, they negate and provide us with a new thesis of hope

>>81410840
The difference is that Anno makes no secret that all the symbolism was just there to look cool while Snyder actually believes it

>>81412920
>The concept of inflation confuses me and I reject its existence!

Comparing nominal box office performances of movies across decades is completely and utterly meaningless.

>>81412919
I liked the voice modulator. Thought I was going to hate it when I first heard it.

>>81406564
>What went wrong?


When they hired Zack Snyder

When they hired Deborah Snyder

When accepted Eisenberg, Gadot and Mamoa

>>81412975
no, what BvS does is that it erases that very line

>>81412979
Then how far back do we need to go? no Further then Superman Returns?

>>81406768
>Bad writing
>Bad director
>Rushed plot


and a crap cast

>>81412979
Caring about box office at all unless you work for these studios is utterly pathetic. Who fucking cares?

>>81409515
>Make your friends go see Batman v Superman

I want to still have friends anon.

>>81412934
MoS also works better on repeated viewings.

>>81412970
You want to know why I'm pretty sure BvS will be regarded as "art" in the future?

Because you fuckign sat here with a straight face and tried to convince someone on the internet that the character DC created purely as publicity stunt to kill off their most iconic character when their sales were slipping is deep and significant.

If a piece of shit like Death of Superman can be regarded as "great" 20 years later, then I have no reason to think BvS won't as well.

>>81413049
Fans care, because box office determinants if you get a sequel or not.

>>81413023
You don't go back at all you stupid fucking asshat inflation is one way hill up.

>>81413023
Or just fucking use real figures. It's really not hard to google "adjusted for inflation", is it?

>>81412934
the JL cameos are important because it lends credibility to the twist that Lex was able to figure out everyone's identities ages ago and used that info like a true master manipulator.

>>81413049
How is box office not important?

>>81413081

Not every movie needs a sequel and the majority of sequels are bad.

>>81413102
I go by wikipedia
>>81413083
Then why are we talking about box office numbers?

>>81413005
I personally loved Eisenberg adn thought Gadot's performance was inoffensive.

But
>Mamoa
>Bad

Youv'e seen one fucking scene from him (which was good), and you're convinced he's one of the worst parts of the franchise somehow?

>>81409800
Which is even more depressing to think about when you realize 800mil is what it needs just to make back production costs, before you consider they need to make a profit somewhere in here.

>>81413072
i'm not trying to convince you of anything, snyder has already admitted that the movie is in part a deconstruction and what you're saying about doomsday isn't a secret

Can they stop pretending that Lois is doing anything and just replace the character to a blow up doll?
She doesn't do anything besides being fucked by Clark Bent and stating the obvious.

>>81413139
>I go by wikipedia
Which presents nominal numbers. Holy shit. Do you honestly not understand what real vs nominal means? Did you skip econ 101 in high school, m8?

>>81413175
>snyder has already admitted that the movie is in part a deconstruction
HOLY SHIT THIS REALLY IS EVANGELION AGAIN except the staff actually believes the bullshit

>>81413114
I never said it wasn't important, I just don't care, and neither should you. It affects you in no way and is not a measure of quality.

>>81413197
with a*

I just want to see Ben Affleck's Batman. He was arguably the best part of that movie and his talents will make Batman shine.

BvS wasn't nearly as bad as people are making it out to be, but it's looking pretty bad right now. I really just wanted to see him in future movies and I'm not really sure what these box office numbers and reviews mean in relation to that happening.

That warehouse scene is one of the greatest Batman things I've ever seen.

>>81410792
>Used his onw blood

Christ, people can't even control their children, much less something that's basically the incredible hulk who can shot laser beams out of his face.

>>81413175
Then I don't know what your point is. Doomsday deserves nothing, and him being introduced in the last half hour is no more offensive than if Lex had simply unveiled a big fucking gun in the last 30 minutes.

>>81413200
I didn't have economy in high school.

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The one part that REALLY made me go WTF. (Besides the god awful Doomsday CGI and Luthor) Was now Bruce's parents took him to go see fucking Excalibur instead of Zorro.

Now I love Excalibur, I consider it to be the best filmed telling of King Arthur BUT it is not a kids movie in the slightest. Could you imagine the uncomfortable questions a 10 year old Bruce had for his parents?

"Dad what did Morgan Lefay do to Arthur?"
"What is the man in the armor doing to her?"
"Whos son is that?"

>>81413221
The problem is that he's a meathead who thinks he's being "deep" and artistic, but it just comes off as sadly full of itself with hacky symbolism. The guy isn't a genius, and yet there are people in this thread, literally trying to say that he's too smart for you.

>>81413127
Everthing after this are technically sequels.

Didn't like Man Of Steel, don't like Zack Snyder, but if you told me a month ago that this movie would do under a billion and lose to Deadpool in the domestic box office I'd have called you an idiot.

What a world.

>>81413268
They didn't though.
If you looked it said "Opens Wednesday"

>>81413268
They were seeing Zorro. Excalibur on the marquee was just foreshadowing to the end of the movie.

>>81413268
There was a Mark of Zorro poster as they left the theater.

>>81413268
I could be wrong but wasn't the Excalibur just something that was being advertised as coming soon to the theater rather than being currently playing in the theater?

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>>81413268
They did go see the Mark of Zorro it's in the marquee.
And Excalibur Batman already happened.

>>81413005
Come on man Drogo wasn't even in the movie enough to be bad.

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>>81413255
Bro. Do you or do you not understand what inflation is and how it works?

Here are figures of domestic grosses for all the Superman movies released adjusted for inflation. Notice how the order is staunchly different from what comparing figures off of Wikipedia shows.

>>81413244
Honestly, if Jared Leto Joker turns out great, I'll be hyped for the Batman solo movie and actively shunning eveything else, and try to fool myself into thinking it's a standalone.

>>81413273
>The problem is that he's a meathead who thinks he's being "deep" and artistic

Snyder strikes me as the kind of guy who would gather a bunch of arthouse/indies filmmakers together and try to gain their approval by making films the way he does.

>>81407036
>And as for B v S, we have avengers, we have Marvel we don't need your knockoff grimdark bullshit.
JL formed in 1960.
Avengers formed in 1963.
So not a knock off in that regard or any regard really considering they are going out of there way to be different from Marvel & The Avengers beyond the base idea of a Superhero team.

No YOU don't need the grimdarkenss.
Some of us fucking love it. And you can burn in the darkest depths of mother fucking hell for trying to destroy what others love just because it is not appealing to you, you selfish petty piece of subhuman trash.

>>81413382
>35 million adjusted for IV
Hot damn, what a piece of garbage.

>>81413382
>Do you or do you not understand what inflation is and how it works?
Sure I do, but I only took a quick glance at the box office numbers at wikipedia.

>>81413268
>Excalibur achieved moderate box office success while receiving mixed reviews. Although film critics criticized the film's plot and characters, they, along with other reviewers, praised its visual style.

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>>81413234
The box office is everything, especially for something that is a Cinematic UNIVERSE. The box office decides on what direction it will go in or even if it will exist, do I need to remind of what happened with DC's first attempt at this with Green Lantern and how the reception to that ended up or what happened with Sony and Spider-Man? Remember that? Remember all those movies they had planned out, Like 3 more sequels, Sinister Six, Untitled Female Spidey movie, Aunt May movie, etc. What happened with that again?

And let's not forget Man of Steel which was supposed to have Supes be DC's Iron Man but underperformed and that's why we're never getting Man of Steel 2 anytime soon, he had to share with Batman and then die because Batman is now their new lynchpin. This is all because of box office you realize.

>>81413005
Jesse is not bad, it's Snyder fucked Lex's character up big time. Not sure about Momoa and agree about Gadot.

>>81413442
Alright. Your posts were just making it sound like you were confused by the concept and I was concerned.

>>81413399

I haven't seen anything that points to him being a bad Joker. His few appearances in the trailers and his acting talent should be giving comic readers positive vibes.

I'm extremely disappointed Batman v Superman turned out the way it did, but Ben Affleck is the best Batman I've ever seen. Hopefully it makes a lot of money and his cameo is worth it.

>>81413268
My parents let me watch Jurassic Park when I was 7 year old.

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>>81413268
> Went to see Excalibur
> Not muh Zorro

Well, Batdad and Batmom took Bruce to see Excalibur in the original story, but it was sold out when they got there. That is why they opted to see Zorro (which aired at a slightly later time).

I could be wrong, but while Excalibur was the feature, I believe there was a poster for Zorro in the film. IDK for sure tho, snyder can't into backgrounds without extensive CGI. For all I know, it could have been an ad for cherry flavored viagra.

>Pic Related is who I'm excited for

>>81413175
>snyder says
At some point you guys are going to realize using him as evidence hurts arguments more than it helps because Snyder's a goddamn moron.

Abrams gets shit more readily than Snyder.

Momoa did a great angry blowfish impression, pls don't bully him so hard.

>>81413273
This. If Snyder's so smart why's he gotta convince his actors with push up contests?

>>81413484
I watched the second one at about that age. All I remember is running from my dad's TV to my mom's back and forth because I could only watch a little bit of the TRex attacking the camper at a time.

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What did Zack do to earn so much goodwill from WB to be the main director for what was supposed to be their biggest film franchise? The only film he's ever made that gelled with general audiences was 300. Everything else was either hated or received indifferently.

Say what you will about Whedon, but before Avengers he was one of the most popular creators in fandom and had spent over a decade writing for Marvel already. He earned his place as the director of both Avengers movie.

>>81413420
You must be over 18 to be here pal.

>>81413508
There was a poster for Zorro at the cinema.

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>Watching The Social Network literally right now
>Eisenburg and Garfield are GOAT in it
>Wondering how WB and Sony could have fucked them up so hard

Seriously I never even liked Garfield because I only saw him in ASM, what the hell, these guys are great actors

>>81406738

So, how're you enjoying King of Kings so far, anon?

>>81413552
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Snyder
He married well.

>>81413552
>What did Zack do to earn so much goodwill from WB to be the main director for what was supposed to be their biggest film franchise?
His wife. A head producer at WB

BvS main problem was that it try to be two movies in one. My guess is that originally the movie would have been a simple Batman vs Superman film with no shit like the JL stuff, Wonder Woman and Darkside. It would have probably just introduced Luthor, Batman and maybe Doomsday. But WB wanted to have their own cinematic universe.

If WB wanted their own universe they should have scrapped the BvS concept and simply made a JL film. Have it so Batman while suspicious of Superman unite together plus have Wonder Woman and all the characters you want keep the number at a minimum so you don't over exert yourself. Have the new team fight against something that makes sense for them to unite. Something similar to Guardians but more serious given the nature of Snyder's MoS. But still giving certain characters their more known traits. Make Superman more uplifing, make Batman suspicious of everyone, make Wonder Woman brash, etc. Give each character a defining trait and not make them bland or psychotic.

Had Snyder and WB done that I would assure you it would have been a great yet simple film that would have made it good.

Examples of my way of thinking is on the many JL animated movies and the JL cartoon show. While the JL show already had the ground work of the Batman and Superman show it still introduced multiple characters in the first episode that btw it was done in movie form. People already know who Superman and Batman is. There is no need to introduce them on a movie. Instead you introduce Wonder Woman and company and go from there.

>>81406583
/thread.

>>81413273
It doesn't fucking matter if it is actually deep or artistic, it adds the feel of artfulness mythicness regardless and that will always be preferable to people who spit in the face of doing anything beyond the bare minimum.
Burn the god damn fuck In hell you anti art shit stain.

>>81413583

Garfield was a great Spidey with horrible scripts.

Eisenberg was never going to be a good Lex, no matter what script he was handed.

>>81413583
Yeah, I really hated that spiderman acted like spiderman too.

>>81413610
>>81413617
I see, suddenly everything makes so much more sense.

>>81413638
Except he was a good Lex

>>81413552
He's a dude bro and "yes" man. Basically, he's easy to work with.

>>81413583
It's fucking capeshit flick. Remember, Clooney and Keaton? Those guy were great actor too.

>>81413221
But it is a deconstruction in that they put the heroes In a realistic world with real consequences and ask what would happen.
It's the same as JMS'S Supreme Power.

>>81413657

>I don't read comics.

>>81413629
Is zack snyder your dad or something? Did your uncle work on the movie?

>>81413158
>Youv'e seen one fucking scene from him
I've seen him in GoT and that Conan film and he sucks ass.
Casting him, Gadot, Common and Jai Courtney makes me wonder what the hell WB is thinking

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Holy fucking shit.

Here in Poland, the dubbed version is an absolute TRAINWRECK that feels like one big trolling attempt.

In scene where Supes asks Batman
- Is she with you?
- I thought she's with you.

They translated is as:
-You know each other.
-Yeah, she's my mother [play on the dumb YOUR MOTHER joke]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WatpugD2M

>>81413350
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>>81413362
>>81413449
>>81413508
I did not see that..Point withdrawn. My bad

In my defence I did see it in 3D and with glasses details can be missed.

I still maintain that Excalibur is a god tier movie. And on further thought it could have been the inspiration for Bruce's battle armor and the whole Dark Knight thing

>>81413551
And we both turned out fine didn't we?

Wasn't eisenberg supposed to be lex luthor jr. ?

>>81413221
It doesn't matter if the Eva staff added it for visual coolness or actual deeper meaning, they still created one of the most incredible mythos in the history of cinema.

>>81413731
That's to give him daddy issues.
He is THE Luthor

>>81413629
So pretentious is a good thing because it makes you feel like a big man.
Are you sure you're not fourteen? Because this kind of attitude is something you're supposed to grow out of by the 8th grade.

>>81413734
Evangelion is a massively overrated show, and not even worth being in the top 50.

>>81413670
>But it is a deconstruction in that they put the heroes In a realistic world with real consequences and ask what would happen.
Yes, they'd realize their moms have the same name and then be BFFs. Because humans NEVER kill other humans for dumb reasons.

>>81413657
He was pretty much worse than any marvel villain.

>>81413669
Him being easy to work with just cost Warner Brothers hundreds of millions of potential dollars.

>>81413752
What was pretentious about the film? What specific ideas did it try to present but did so poorly?

>>81413734
Yes they did, and I won't deny that, however the difference is that Eva completely defined a generation, changed the industry and offered something outside of the genre while, at the same time, being a mashup of cliches from said genre. Also, again, the point was, Anno doesn't actually think any of that biblical shit was intentional to create this mythos. He was just doing it cause it all looks cool. He even chose the name Evangelion cause "It sounds complicated"

Snyder on the other hand has not proven his worth while also believing all of the bullshit he puts on screen. Oh, and unlike overly-delusional Eva fans, he actually does think his movie is a deconstruction

>>81413734
A mythos without internal logic or consistency can never be deep. Just flashy.

>>81410840
No one is saying it's deep, we are saying it's artful, there is a difference and being artful for artful sake is not and never will be a bad thing.

>>81413657
He reminded me too much of Joker for me to like him as Lex.

>>81413796
I'm just using your own words.
>It doesn't fucking matter if it is actually deep or artistic, it adds the feel of artfulness mythicness
Ignoring the fact that "artfullness mythicness" is some rather broken English, you're claiming that the movie is "Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.'
That's pretension. That's literally the definition.

>>81413510
How Is he a moron? Fucking explain!

>>81413796
The ideological clash hinges on Batman being an idiot (not just paranoid, but actually dumb) and humans being naturally good and unwilling to fight other humans, which is inconsistent with its general "humans are assholes" rhetoric.

But I know that's probably a little to deep for you. How about that warehouse fight right? Totes for fans only.

>>81413072
>If a piece of shit like Death of Superman can be regarded as "great" 20 years later

10 days ago I would have called bullshit on this statement, but I saw people in a Facebook group actively asking where they could get the whole Death and Return of Superman trilogy, and someone paid $5 for DoS

$5, when I could find that shit at a flea marker for 50 cents

>>81413881
>No one is saying it's deep, we are saying it's artful
But it wasn't. It really REALLY wasn't. It was made by a guy who THINKS he's being artful. That's the difference. Doesn't mean it actually was.

>>81411814
You are an actual business woman or man but plenty of people will absolutely not understand this.

>>81413571
Yes because only children hate people who tear down what was fairly made for different people then them out of pure evil sadism and selfishness.

>>81413939
Snyder often cites things without understanding their context. A tactic he seems to share with his fans, actually.
The reason I compare him to Abrams is because of a particularly egregious example.
Go read what Snyder said about the Kobayashi Maru.

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Will we see a nice big Bat-family eventually?

>>81413939
If you can't be bothered to read the 150 explanations given to you, then just fuck off. You have your face shoved so far up his ass, you think he's the next coming of christ and is incapable of doing anything wrong. You're literally living in a false reality of your own making.

Watching first episode of Hero Academia reminded me what super heroes are meant to be, fun

That doesn't mean you can't have themes or the gay ass jesus imagry these movies are obsessed with, but that is doable without being up your own ass

>>81413962
There wasn't even an ideological clash like they were advertising before the movie. It's all just one big misunderstanding

>>81413997
Only children whine about it like you and go on and on about how deep cape shit is.

It's part of what makes it hilariously ironic how many of you guys dickride Alan Moore (or more likely Moore by way of Snyder's bullshit).

>>81413465
Again, I never said it was important, I just don't care. I prefer the old way where studios just tried to make good movies instead of trying to plan ahead and interconnect a bunch of shit diluting what they produce.

>>81413752
What does being a big man have ANYTHING to do with what I said?
The artfulness immeasurably adds to the tone, sense of scale, sense of gravity and weight to the film and the events within.

>>81413669
What was wrong with Keaton?

>>81414053
Exactly. And frankly I kind of figured out they'd screw that up like six months before release. Clark is too similar to Bruce in this continuity for them to actually have conflicting morals.

When Civil War is promising more of an actual ideological conflict, clearly fuck ups have been made.

>>81414112
>The artfulness
There you go with that word again.

>>81410753
Seriously, this. Everyone read this fucking post. All criticism I've read have been

>MUH EDITING
>MUH ESTABISHMENT SHOTS
>MUH MARTHA
>MUH LEX

>>81414112
Yeah no. It doesn't
Because gravitas requires emotional context. Snyder's movies lack that. They have lighting instead. By literal definition, "attempting to appear deep when you actually lack the means to do so in order to impress your audience:m which is LITERALLY WHAT YOU'RE CLAIMING THE MOVIES DO AND ARE IGNORING THE POST WHERE I SAID IT IN ORDER OT KEEP SHITPOSTING is pretension.

But 9/10. You got this much of a thread going.

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>>81413158
>which was good

>Basically a long, tedious and angry teaser for what DC has in store for the future, and by the looks of it, it will be dark, gritty and poorly acted

>A beautiful shell with nothing inside.

>To be fooled into believing what we see on screen is part of the cinematic experience and Snyder has failed to fool us.

Mexican reviewers bringing the heat

>>81413827
>and offered something outside of the genre
MOS/BVS IS offering something different from all the other superhero films right now in terms of tone, style, visuals, weight and sense of urgency.
>Snyder on the other hand has not proven his worth
He has to the people that love and were begging for much of what we got in MOS as I was.
>he actually does think his movie is a deconstruction
IT IS, he has taken the Superheroes out of their Mary Sue fantasy land and put them on in a real setting with real consequences.

>>81413273
RLM summed this exact thing up well in the (I think) pain and gain review, it's like a jock trying to write poerty

>>81410753
>This probably is 2deep4u, but it humanized Superman.
Humans never kill each other.

>>81413834
But both Eva and MOS/BVS has that.

>>81413997
Self respecting adults don't throw fits on a cambodian eyebrow-plucking forum anon

When has there ever been a good DC movie?

>>81414295
>MOS/BVS IS offering something different from all the other superhero films right now in terms of tone, style, visuals, weight and sense of urgency.
Yeah. It's doing something different. It's sucking.

>He has to the people that love and were begging for much of what we got in MOS as I was.
Your scatological paraphilia is duly noted.

>IT IS, he has taken the Superheroes out of their Mary Sue fantasy land and put them on in a real setting with real consequences.
A bloo bloo bloo mary sue mary sue. Read some comics, you cynical douchebag.

>>81413921
He wasn't the same guy.
It's not trying to sell greater importance, it's trying to give a more powerful immerse experience.

>>81414204
you're never going to accomplish anything defending a flawed movie on 4chan, my friend.

just a helpful tip for a cleaner mind. Ignore the company warz kiddies and just enjoy the time we live in

We just got a fucking Batman vs Superman movie. Last summer we got Ant-Man. We're getting an Aquaman movie. We got a Justice League movie coming up and we got an Infinity Gauntlet movie coming up as well. Don't fall into the sandtrap.

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>>81406894
>all this red ass

>>81413964
If they haven't read it then they don't know if it is good or bad dude.

>>81414315
...Yeah, exactly. Eva isn't deep either. Just flashy.
You want proof? Look at how Rei was supposed to deconstruct the moe-blob archetype and invoke the uncanny valley to the point of being wildly unattractive.

That totally worked, huh?

>>81413966
It visually was more artful in every aspect to any marvel film.

>>81414382
>Look at how Rei was supposed to deconstruct the moe-blob archetype and invoke the uncanny valley to the point of being wildly unattractive.
Blame the audience

>>81414378
Other people in the group had it and said it was good. I said someone paid $5 for it because they posted a pic of their copy and it still had the price sticker on it.

>>81414295
>MOS/BVS IS offering something different from all the other superhero films right now in terms of tone, style, visuals, weight and sense of urgency.
No, no it's not. It's the exact same shit disguised in a shinier package and laced with pretentiousness of trying to be "art"

>>81414382
>Look at how Rei was supposed to deconstruct the moe-blob archetype and invoke the uncanny valley to the point of being wildly unattractive.
That was completely out of Anno's control though. The intent stated by him was for her to be creepy. Not create a new archetype on itself.

There were a a
There was a scene or two I would have done differently but it was a damn good movie. I think the disappointed were expecting another Disney comedy and instead it was a movie that was more geared toward adults. http://kotaku.com/batman-v-superman-isnt-like-other-superhero-films-and-1768676827

>>81414031
Oh I do think he is a gift from God in that I was begging for MOS to be what we got. (90%)
However he absolute can do wrong (tornado scene, sucker punch, not giving enough happy Clark scenes)

I'm asking how he lacks intelligence not for petty things you personally dislike about him because he isn't catering to you.

>>81414418
at this rate it's not going to make any billions at all

>>81408604
>it was a great movie
Having such bad taste must be a burden on your family.

>>81414517
>Not create a new archetype on itself.
Deconstructing an archetype is not the same as creating a new archetype. And no, if you've failed at your deconstruction so badly that you instead codify the trope you're trying to examine, you've screwed up in your examination, most likely due to a fundamental misunderstanding of its core aspects.

If you want to make the waifu bait creepy, actually make her creepy. Don't have her first interactions be adorable "please save me" and her walking naked out of a shower.

>>81414073
I'm not among the ones calling it deep.
And I'm not whining, I'm calling out people for wanting to ruin this incredible thing we have going all because they are somehow horrifically offended that creators DARED to create something for a different audience.
What the fuck happened to diversity of consumer with different taste and preferences?

>>81414345
Superman (1978), Superman II, Batman (1989), Batman Begins, The Dark Knight.

Ey yo someone point out ALL the flaws of the movie pls.
>I enjoyed it

>>81414526
I'm guessing you don't know what "weasel words" are or why they're a bad thing to bring to a debate.

>>81411800
there weren't. Can you please site a scene that had an establishing shot and didn't have a completely jarring transition? Like don't get me wrong I enjoyed some parts of the movie. Batfleck fighting, Wonder Woman, the Knightmare sequence was cool in and of itself if not awkwardly timed. It just feels like they really rushed the the post production on the movie. I mean fucking Colossus looked better than Doomsday and Deadpool had like 1/5 the budget BvS did.

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>>81414526
>Oh I do think he is a gift from God in that I was begging for MOS to be what we got. (90%)
Disgusting dipshit.

>>81414665
Dude you are on /co/. Stop going to fucking threads about batman v superman if you don't want people talking shit about batman v superman.

A lot of people fucking hate the movie. Oh well, if you don't go to these threads and read the bullshit it wont be 'ruined' for you.

>>81411923
Lex Luthor's plan made absolutely no sense, neither did his hatred for Superman.

>>81414208
>Because gravitas requires emotional context. Snyder's movies lack that
In your bias "quips and smiles equal emotional context" opinion shit stain.

If that is the definition THEN THERE IS NOTHING MOTHER FUCKING WRONG WITH PRETENSION YOU COCKSUCKING MOTHER FUCKER!

It has already made over 600million world wide