/co/co/'s Bizarre Adventure - Men At Work Edition

>>81362285
That's a given

So...are we going to include Johnny 2x4 in this at all?

>>81362298
I think I'm mostly interested in more art of [Spoon], mostly because al the different ways it can move intrigue me.

>>81362282
>It might need a bit of reworking as of now but this isn't a murder mystery strictly, first and foremost its about the conmen and then they get caught up in something that's bigger than their best scams ever could be.

It's a part filled to the brim with serial killers, and you're trying to say the handful of detectives SHOULDN'T be the main point of the part? It should instead be the group of guys that include three characters from a previous part, and two characters whose Stands revolve around money. Is that what you are saying?

>Except the Eds didn't take any slot away from everything since Part 4 was initially not only designed around them but named after them.
And? It doesn't mean reworks can't be done.

>Are you going to say it's too many Courage characters because of Fred or something?
Yes, I am going to say theres too many Courage characters because theres a fourth one spread two parts away from the other three, thats EXACTLY my point in this entire argument, that there are too many Ed characters. Ya got me

If the problem is that the Eds are getting too much focus in the current iteration of the Part, then the solution is to shift the focus to a different member of the Coalition so it doesn't feel like the Eds are the MCs. At this point in planning we can rewrite whatever is in the doc to have either Stan or Scrooge as the primary 'face' of the Conman Coalition I'd pick Stan personally because he has ties to both scamming and mystery solving, but that's just me . I can tell that nobody wants to make huge sweeping changes to either Part 3 or Part 4, so would shifting the 'focal character' among the 4 protagonist groups in Part 4 be a good compromise?

>>81362397
I think it's a good solution, we should also define if Part 4 is a Murder Mystery, a Congame or both

>>81362397
How about just having the 3 conmen split the conmen side and having the detectives take over when they meet?

The only thing that we lose is how great the Eds would be doing their own shit instead of supporting Tom. They were never the focus or the main characters, so why suddenly does everyone say that we need to dial them down so much? Instead of that why not just flesh out the detective parts?

>>81362397
I'd vote Shaggy to be the MC, he is a character brimming with potential for growth and character interactions.

>>81362428
The fact that detective parts wasn't developed is the reason we are having a focus problem whit the conmen part

>>81362420
It pretty much has to be both unless someone comes up with a /co/co/ other than "Conman Coalition"

>"Go-go-gadget fuck you"
>*KABOOM!* [Inspector John Gadget is dead]
>"Oh my goodness, did anyone else here that?"

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>>81362479
Heres how I see it. The focus is on the detectives, with the coalition working on the side, but soon enough, probably involving Fred and the killer's showing up, the coalition is drawn in to the detective side's work to assist in ridding the town of these nutjobs.

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>>81362469
So develop it, that's the point of working on part 4.

I see nothing wrong with the way it currently is, but the eds sharing the focus with Stan and Scrooge is a necessary segway from part 3 as well as a reason to even connect the events to anything other than part 1 with Fred.

Actually I should go back to page 2 of the comic and draw Fred in one of the panels of "but creepy stuff happens in Nowhere" for foreshadowing.

>>81362618
This works fine, and is what I've been advocating for this entire time.

>>81362632
Maybe even have a very subtle hint to Floyd the barber, behind him, if you wanna foreshadow that hard?

>>81362632
I like the foreshadowing bit.

>>81362652
There doesn't need to be that much, just showing Fred will make people think nothing of it as he's a regular courage villain.

But him having a prior run in with Courage could help connect the events better rather than just the Mask.

For some reason I thinking Creepy Suzie should be part-ghost, by that I mean DWP ghost, not Danny Phantom ghost.

>>81362731
DWP?

And Danny Phantom ghosts are still ghosts. Season 3 doesn't exist to me.

>>81362758
I meant the Dead Mans Party from Part 1 of CCBA.

>>81362680
I like it. Though that would of course make Fred REALLY old by the time part 4 hits...

>>81362795
Not necessarily. How big of a timeskip is there supposed to be between parts 1 and 4, 10 years or so?

He could have been in the LHC at that time, even.

>>81362819
I'd have to be longer than that just from 2 to 3 because Tom has to be born and grow-up, so just from parts 2-3 that's like 19-20 years or whatever Tom's age is.

>>81362878
20 years isn't that bad, it could be a younger Fred that Courage has run into.

Thinking about it Fred doesn't even look that old, he could be mid fifties by part 4 and it would be fine.

Though Courage or any reference to him would be neat too.

Fred cursing whoever is fucking up his plans and referencing a "stupid dog" who did the same years ago.

>>81362819
Well Hank is in part 1 as a grown man, probably the same age he is in his show, and at the end of part 1, Courage foresees the Pillarmen while relaxing as an old dog, so a significant number of years pass at this point, I dunno how long between Courage's vision and the actual events of part 2, but then we have part 3 where Tom is full grown, cause I doubt Tom is a teenager in part 3, and then we have part 4, which is probably a few months at the least from part 3. So either way, its a very significant expanse of time, even if Fred is in his early 20s in part 1 he would be an old man by the time part 4 hits.

I mean we could ignore all that and still include him as foreshadowing, since I like the idea, and they are cartoons.

>>81362899
>Stupid dog
Fred loved Courage though, even when he got him committed.

>>81362758
But Ghost Zone ghosts cannae do the horizontal tango with humans, Beej is poltergeist so he must be somewhat tangible to normal people.

>>81362899
>Many years ago I saw
>A silly dog, covered head to paw
>In bright pink fur that I shaved raw
>For he tempted me to be
>Naaaauughtyyyyy

>>81362915
according to the King of the Hill wiki, Hank is 52, I'd say a 10 year gap between parts 1 and 2 is the best outcome here, so he's 62 in part 2, and assuming we make Fred be in his 20s when he first met Courage, he'd be in his 50's by part 4

>>81362937
It's been years since I've seen the Fred episode(s?) so I wasn't too sure on that.

He could reference him like >>81362954

>>81362915
Like I said we could just add little tiny things that you would either just dismiss as worldbuilding or not notice until Part 4 hits and Fred is revealed as the antagonist.

>>81362969
I imagine Fred as so obsessed with grooming anyway that he perpetually looks the way he does, either via botox and makeup or some other sketchy means.

it could be a passive stand ability to make him professionally groomed constantly so as to repress his desire to do naughty things to himself

>>81362988
>>81362969
Well I'm certainly fine with it if you guys are. I mean shit, Jotaro was in his what, thirties, forties by part 6? Yet he looked even younger than his part 3 self. All without Hamon. Wonky aging people is completely fitting with Jojo

>>81362632
>>81362652
>>81362678
>>81362680
Rather than an overt showing of the Stand, maybe just have a sort of menacing shadow behind Fred that happens to have the eyes cut out to look similar to the Stand's. If you wanted to go with the foreshadowing, that is.

>>81363376
Oh, hey. I just noticed that the site's back to normal.

>>81363376
>>81363398
He doesn't have a stand yet since stands aren't introduced by part 1.

>>81363678
That's why it's foreshadowing. A vague hint at what lies ahead. It's not saying he has a stand at the time, just a nod to the future through a weird looking shadow.

>>81362878
Tom is part 6, so he probably ages differently.

Really, as long as we can have the Part 1 crew cameo at in Part 4 (maybe having a reunion at Pop's) I'm fine.

>>81364003
Courage will have been long dead. You mean Beej/Hank and the rest?

>>81364003
>Tom is part 6
part cat
shit

>>81364037
I guess. Or just have Hank look at a picture of his friends.

>>81364039
Tom is the warden all along!

>>81364102
Or the Warden thinks that in order to create his world of [Pure Imagination] he has to be in a specific place at a specific time....

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Reposting this from last thread since everyone got scared off by the AF layout. This is a revamp of Judge Dredd's ability since his previous one was too close to what Dark Judge Mortis does:

Stand: [I AM THE LAW]
Ability: Dredd's stand amplifies or reduces damage done by people and stands based on their "sense of justice", i.e. if the user has a high sense of justice, they will deal much more damage and take less damage from those with a low sense of justice, and vice versa. This justice system is based on "true justice" (doing the right thing), not personal justice (i.e if a person's sense of justice would involve them doing harm to others for personal gain, the stand would treat them as if they had low justice).

Discuss.

>>81364232
Sorry man, I sort of missed the end of the last thread. I'll get them all down into the doc.

>>81361587

I'm back, so I'll continue my greentext

>When Fred made his first kill, he felt a great peace in his heart. As if a beast inside of him had been put to sleep.
>This made him able to function as a normal human being, by fullfiling that urge to kill now and then.
>Now, trying to stay low and avoid attraction to himself, Fred can't calm himself anymore.
>He gets more and more agitated, unable to enjoy his peacefull life.
>No more is the funny and handsome barber everyone in town love. Unable to take care of his appearance, and beginning to talk repeatedly about the "naughty" mantra from his childhood, he gets the appearance of the mad barber from the courage episode
>He then understands it all. The only thing that stands between him and his ideal life, is the Ed group/detectives and LHC. Only they may know about his dark secrets.
>In a desperate attempt to reclaim his quiet life he decides to kill them all.
>Meanwhile Hector is putting two and two togeheter, realising that it's Fred's fault that the Ed group is on their tail, and that so many of his comrades are dead.
>The part ends with a threeway brawl between the Ed group/detectives, the remaining LHC and a crazy Fred.

>>81362618
So should we go with this plan and rewrite what we've got for Part 4 so far such that the story follows Gadget during the initial Scams? Looking at what we have now it would be simple to shift the perspective to one where Gadget is the main focus of the story rather than the Conman Coalition, since the original plan I had for the scams when I drafted the outline a few threads ago had Gadget appearing in every single one as an uninformed observer.

>>81362539
Gadget went out like a champ.

'We could make it so that in part four, each 'chapter' focuses on a different character, whether it be the Eds, Stan, Scrooge, or Gadget.

>>81364232
sounds good and if is "true justice" then Dredd will realize who are the real good and bad guys in the jail.

>>81366346
I also had a thought about Fred doing something incredibly unwise...making Ed want to violently murder him.

>>81366534
You see this? This is what we should have done from the beginning.

>>81366534
Now i feel retardet

>>81366764
So you are made of wood?

>>81366786
I'm [ Made of Wood ]

>>81366534
Yeah I guess I kind of fucked up while writing the outline then, since EEnE are the first protags listed in almost all the scams. So I suppose we'd have a 'Men at Work' scam, a 'Stan' scam, a 'Scrooge' Scam and 'Gadget' Scam? Parentheses being the character the chapter follows?

>>81366534
So the first chapter is all on Gadget setting up the plot, the second chapter is the Coalition being formed, the third could be Scrooge dealing with other rich people who he thinks poorly of (seeing up the serial killer club), fourth could be on Stan taking note of all the weird shit in town, fifth on the Eds seeing the mayor and meeting Gadget for the first time, sixth on Gadget trailing the Eds and his inner monologue while watching them fail to scam some kids with bikes, seventh on Scrooge as his preps the gala, eighth on Stan as he gets mixed up with a crazy old woman's house, so on and so on.

>>81366898
Nevermind what I said earlier, this sounds like it could work as a basic structure, at least for what we have so far.

>>81366898
I'm all for this, it's at least a skeleton we can work around and add to

>>81366898
Yeah this sounds good

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not sure if this has been posted yet
didnt read the thread
didnt care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMwP5TvM1E

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The autism here is immeasurable
You people need to stop

>>81367239
Why don't you just use your stand to rewind back to a time when the autism hasn't started yet?

Anyway, say hi to /a/ from us.

>>81367239
Shut up son, you're dead.

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Any progress on the fighting game?

>>81366898
What about Shaggy and Scooby? If we do it this way, and each 'chapter' focuses solely on that character and their situation, that would mean 1 'detective' chapter to 3 'conman' chapters, unless this only keeps up for the first portion of the story until the detectives and the coalition intersect storywise and then their 'chapters' blend

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>>81364232
As the guy who came up with the original Dredd concept, I approve.
To be honest, I came up with the stand first and knew I wanted an intimidating cop to have it, Dredd was the first one I thought of. I completely forgot about Mortis at all.

I still want [Shakedown] to be what I intended it to be though: a riot stopper that the Warden is reluctant to call out.
Since Dredd's been repurposed and having Mortis at the same time would be underwhelming, how about having the new user be someone like Snatcher from the Boxtrolls.

>>81367935
Maybe we could have a second detective chapter in the middle of the conmen shenanigans, some kind of "remember this is happening" episode whit the detectives finding more and more and maybe comenting on some of the conmen events, then the 2° half of the "season" reaches and the episodes blend

>>81368022
>Snatcher from the Boxtrolls.
Me likey, maybe change the design to something like his machine from the film.

>>81368039
I could see it like this
>Gadget (including Penny) intro
>Coalition intro/Eds intro
>Shaggy and Scooby intro
>Scrooge 'intro'
>Stan 'intro'

The way I see this working would be more akin to how Part 5 handled it, in that it presented Giorno first, then brought in Bruno, then we meet the gang and after we first meet the gang we get individual 'arcs' where each gang member was fleshed out personally. It will be probably a lot easier allocating 'screentime' before the plot begins once we actually have a solid timeline of events.

>>81367935
There really isn't any reason a conman chapter can't also be a detective chapter. The one where the Eds try to scam the Mayor for example is technically both since it involves a scam as well as buildup to the LHC reveal.

>>81367935
I'm just not familiar enough with who is in play for part 4.

I figured characters would get their own chapters as they are introduced in other chapters.

Like Fred would get his own chapter sometime before the gala after one of the main characters has seen him and commented on how he looks like a freak.
It'd open up with the "Hello, my name is Fred, the words you hear are in my head" and it would be some of his backstory.

Then some chapters later we'd get another bit like that.

I was thinking Jay and Silent Bob would get their own chapters after Gadget is killed since I don't know where in the plot they first meet him.
I assume they met him before the part 4 begins.

>>81368221
>Hello, my name is Fred, the words you hear are in my head
The fact I read this in his voice is certainly something...

>>81368221
According to the doc it seems Gadget meets Jay & Silent Bob when he first arrives in town, and they agree to be his 'guides' so the mooching can begin.

>>81368214
But wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of have each 'chapter' be focused on someone if they share that chapter? I'm not trying to be difficult here, I'm just not quite getting how this will work out. One anon said it could be like Sin City, with multiple plots being focused on separately until they meet up at a singular point

>>81368273
I'm quoting the episode he was in directly with that.

>>81368307
So they're introduced in chapter one.

If we're seeing them from Gadgets perspective we won't know they're stand users until later and gadget will just think they have some weird quirks.

He'll think that about the Eds too when he sees them trying to scam Hiro and Gogo, then he'll realize everyone in town seems to have one and weird shit happens when their "twitchiness" starts acting up.

>>81367239
「SHITPOST」

>>81368307
I could totally see Jay and Silent Bob being 'introduced' when Gadget first comes to town, but they are only seen as background or throw away characters, and then after Gadget is killed by Fred they come back into the story as major allies.

>>81368337
It's more like the chapter is focused on one character, and the others are around as supporting characters. So the Mayor Scam revolves around the Eds, but Gadget shows up later like the draft in the doc.

The problem with the multiple plots suggestion is that the plot as it is now seems to be built around the Coalition at least knowing Gadget to a decent extent, because otherwise they would have no reason to be mad about his death or take up investigating his case in his stead.

>>81368441
Maybe instead of connecting the Coalition to Gadget, the Coalition (through Scrooge) and Gadget are both connected to Strickland Propane (Gadget because that is where he was rebuilt, Scrooge because he has Shares with them.)

>>81368441
So Gadget becomes invested in the Eds after watching them for a while and helps them get out of some trouble with the law when one of their fights gets out of control. This is when the Eds give him one of the jawbreakers they've managed to get as thanks and fill him in on some stuff.

It begins them being on mutual good terms.

>>81368441
>>81368365
>>81368337
Then what if we have separate character chapters but connect them all by having Gadget be participating in all of them, some times being more active than in others

We can begin whit a Gadget chapter and every other chapter have him be a observer or a giving coments and the like, always having him in the background

>>81368441
I see, that would be a lot more reasonable. Would that continue after Gadget dies and all the plotlines blend together, or should it start focusing on Penny all together more as she takes up her uncle's mantle

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Going to be reposting this idea for some criticism and improvements.

Stand name: [CAT SCRATCH FEVER]

Appearance: Garbage Ape drawn in the Araki art style.

Abilities: When Heathcliff uses his [ANTI-JOKE] ability, the abilities of enemy stands will begin to become more and more simplified. This goes on until their stand's abilities are incredibly basic and generic. This ability also disrupts the [STRETCH] and [SPACE] abilities a small bit.

[A VISIT FROM THE GARBAGE APE] sends out the stand to throw trash onto it's foes. Enemies covered in trash will become more forgetful and their thinking will be more simple depending on how much trash they have on them. Being covered in a small amount of garbage will not do much to harm but a large amount of it will harm your thinking greatly. These effects are reversed if Heathcliff gives the command for it to stop or upon the defeat of Heathcliff.

[INTO THE TRASH IT GOES] is usually Heathcliff's finisher ability after he uses the other 2 abilities. Heathcliff sends out the stand once again to put his foes into the trash. Heathcliff will usually use the element of surprise to capture his opponents and throw them into the trash. Once they're in the trash can, it will look at the user to see how much of a simpleton they are. Enemies that haven't been affected much by Heathcliff's earlier abilities will not be harmed too bad. If they are heavily under the effects of [A VISIT FROM THE GARBAGE APE] though, the trash can will harm them VERY greatly.

Destructive Power: C
Speed: B
Range: B
Durability: A
Precision: D
Developmental Potential: B

I'd see him working good as either a major or minor villain in parts 7 or 8.

>>81368536
>or should it start focusing on Penny
No.

>>81368505
This is an interesting idea, but it doesn't really give Scrooge a reason to care if Gadget got killed because he doesn't know him personally.

>>81368508
Stuff like this should happen, having the Conman and Detective parts be separate at the start is fine, but they should interact fairly often so that it makes sense for them to be united when Gadget gets killed.

>>81368534
This is almost exactly how the Part is structured in the doc (or was, not sure what changes have been made since I last checked).

>>81368536
We'll have to see how the story develops beyond Gadget's death, I would like Penny to be a bit more involved though, not necessarily taking the spotlight but just be more active in the investigation.

>>81368572
Seems alright, but unfortunately the name has been taken, maybe change it to [CATASTROPHE] or something?

>>81368642
I like this name.

Has the name [BAD NEWS] been used yet?

>>81367426
We should start working on some of the bigger guy's movesets, like Daffy or Tom.

>>81368663
>[BAD NEWS]
>Not [NEWS OF THE WORLD]
Pleb.

>>81368618
Scrooge is a pretty kind hearted guy, even if he's a greedy old sourpuss. If he interacts with Gadget for a bit and learns what kind of man Gadget is and sees hes traveling around with his niece, it could make him more connected to Gadget (maybe even have Scrooge mentioning his nephews) It would be perfectly reasonable that Scrooge would get angry if Gadget dies after getting to know him.

>>81368591
But thats kind of the whole point of Penny being in the story, I mean sure she doesn't have to take center stage (though I still feel we should have an actual main character rather than just count the whole gang as the MCs) but once Gadget dies she basically takes over his entire role so she can seek out the monster who killed her uncle.

>>81368708
Agreed, which is why we should have them interact within the story rather than them just having a distant connection by virtue of one of them being a beneficiary of a company the other owns.

If you are the same anon who posted >>81368505 , sorry if I misinterpreted what you were suggesting when I posted >>81368618 , it wasn't that clear from the post if Scrooge had any personal interaction with Gadget due to their shared connection to Strickland Propane.

>>81368805
Nah, different guy

>>81368117
Sounds good, [Shakedown] can be a big ramshackle machine that marches just behind Snatcher as he patrols.

>>81368618
After Gadget dies, Penny should be the one who keeps Shaggy and Scooby from bailing on the case.

>>81368708
>>81368805
Yeah, Scrooge gets to know Gadget in the course of his investigation and they find out they have mutual acquaintances in Strickland Goodwill after getting to know one another, cementing their belief that the other is a good person worthy of trust.

>>81369303
I can see that happening, Shaggy and Scooby really looked up to Gadget, but when he gets killed, they realize they may have bitten off more than they can chew (ironic I know), they've only ever dealt with people running around in masks and elaborate costumes trying to spook people, never straight up murder, so they get cold feet and are ready to bail, but Penny rallies the two of them, since she knows they are experienced detectives and also possess incredibly useful abilities (Gadget probably briefs Penny on the existence of Stands once his fully develops, so she knows the two of them have powerful Stands, she just doesn't know the whole story)

I could also see Scrooge becoming a major connection to Penny, since he's an uncle as well.

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so I wrote the Stan vs Burns and Scrooge vs Father bouts last night

I fucking hate myself for not making a "money shot" joke/attack name when Stan did a cash blast

avenge me, /co/

use it somewhere

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Reposting what we had, let's see what we can make whit it

[ Saturday Nigth Fever ]
Ability: temperature manipulation OR senses manipulation via color

Power: C Power: A
Speed: B Speed: B
Range: C Range: D
Durability: E OR Durability: C
Precision: B Precision: D
Potential: D Potential: C

Explination: With the stands right hand the user can decrease temperatures and with the right hand the user can icrease temperatures. This allows the user to freeze water molecules in the air or ignite the oxygen in the air as well. With obvious effects of touching someone and either freezing them or boiling them alive, depending on the hand and the temperature the user chooses

OR

Like [ Echoes ] but whit color, it can give things whit certain colors a [SENSATIONS] property; Red things become burning hot, cold things are freezing, yellow things are electrically charged and pink things can give the feeling of happiness or love. The Stand should be able to "steal" the sensation and mantain at least 2 ( one for each of his hands ) and give his ghost-punches some elemental or emotional effects

who should be the user? only nomination was Gretchen from the Recess gang

>>81369481

Nice, can't wait to read it.

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>>81369524

I also suggested Crazy Quilt from DC Comics. I think he got overlooked due of the layout joke.

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>>81369531
reposting from last thread. just seeing how these sound and if there's better matchups for the finale (assuming these are our final party members)

>Stan throws down with Mr. Burns
>Stan starts with early advantage in raw power and skill, 「Pet Semetary」 barely fending off his punches and money blasts
>surprises Stan when it shoots its claw dart
>Monty starts to pummel Stan, sapping and using his speed
>Stan manages to maneuver back while Burns is on the run part of his "hit and run" moves. starts to feel his reflexes coming back, but slowly and not in great shape. realizes it's based on both the dart and the range from Burns
>fires off a fistful of cash/gold bar, but Burns dodges around it easily enough with remaining speed
>just zips in and keeps speed-demoning Stan
>Stan's been focusing on keeping his money wad floating near the ceiling, then turns it around to nail Burns in the back of the head
>Stan's retreats slowly, but Burns gets back up, head bleeding
>readies another dart, but Stan throws a gold statue or vase at him
>Burns' dart shatters the projectile and hits Stan again
>Burns walks back with an evil grin
>Stan pulls the dart out weakly and flashes an equally evil grin
>"There's always another sucker..."
>activates 「Loadsamoney」 to turn the shards of the statue thing into a bunch of smaller cash moneys, creating a hundred or so projectiles that surround Burns at every angle.
>"All that speed's nothin' when you've got nowhere to go."
>pummels Burns into a broken heap with a multi-direction blast of wads of bills and change

>>81369634
and while a few of us weren't quite satisfied with Father's current Stand on the list, here's what I got for him vs Scrooge

>Scrooge activates his Stand
>Father puts up 「Can't Stop Won't Stop」 to keep him out of range
>Scrooge tries to punch through it, only for its power to trigger and expand outward, flinging Scrooge away
>Scrooge drags himself up, scoffing about how weak and "lazy" the Stand is
>Father don't care
>Scrooge keeps charging to kick and punch the barrier, still thrown back harder each time
>eventually hits it hard enough that the barrier reaches the wall of the room, crushing Scrooge through it
>Scrooge is in bad shape, but keeps pummeling the shield rapidly, taking lots more smaller rams himself but still talking shit
>Father hasn't even had to move yet
>Scrooge decides it's gone on long enough and brings out his Stand
>Father mocks him for being way out of range for his by-the-minute ability, or else he'd have used it earlier
>Scrooge tells him what he's been telling the rest of the Coalition, about how a Stand doesn't mean anything without a proper man behind it
>points out that Father's Stand is starting to develop cracks where he's been specifically striking
>"I think it's time I stopped takin' it easy on ye, laddy. Time ye see what a McDuck can really do."
>winds up a punch while his other hand readies his coin flip, since Father is out of his range and he's considering the shield's recoil a ranged attack
>ONE PUUUUUNCH while coin flipping to shatter it and ignore the recoil. fine with it since Father didn't owe him any Debt yet anyway
>Father flips out about his unbreakable Stand, half panicked and half furious
>tries to resummon it while Scrooge charges him, hitting him first with another world-famous McDuck punch
>places his foot on Father's chest and rubs his dime to start draining his assets
>"There. Now your money's as worthless as ye are."
>finishing blow
>don't fuck with McDuck.jpg

>>81369695
The Stan vs Burns fight is decent for a first draft, but Scrooge vs Father is full of too many errors and is all around uninteresting as a fight. No offense of course, you've done fantastic work on practically every fight in the project you've worked on.

>>81369695
Father
Stand:「Can't Stop Won't Stop」
Status: KNOCKED OUT AND BANKRUPTED BY SCROOGE MCDUCK/RETIRED!

>>81369695
>Scrooge
>winning
It's shit.

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New character for Part 7.

The Goon
Stand: [Movin' Out]
Appearance: A gray humanoid in a shredded suit with random trinkets hanging from it. Looks more or less like a hobo.
Ability: [Movin' Out] downgrades anything it touches. The longer it touches something, the worse it gets.
It can turn a high-performance engine into a clunker, a solid gold watch into cheap tin, or a top-of-the-line rifle into a shoddy older model. This ability can't affect can't affect anything organic, but its effects are permanent. Also functions as a standard punchghost.

He might only be a one-shot obstacle for the protagonists, but I'll leave that up to others to decide.

>>81370063
I like it.

>>81369524
Why don't we make it so that one hand makes thing elementally charged and the other hand emotionally charged.

Or like Echoes, do an Act 1 that controls elements and an Act 2 that controls emotions

>>81370063
Steel Ball Run didn't have any punch ghosts besides Tusk Act 4 and D4C, I think we should keep that idea for our part 7 to avoid every fight devolving into "Fist fights with some super powers laced in"

>>81370247
You have a point, but I can't think of many things that The Goon didn't want to fight with his fists.

>>81370063
oh good, somebody included him after all!

Hellboy, Marmaduke, Bizarro, and April O'Neil (reporter looking into the truth behind the races) felt like good fits

also Salad Fingers and Baman/Piderman for part 6's web incarnation

>>81369864
oh none taken. but yea, there's only so much I could do with it

>>81369436
When did Shaggy and Scooby develop stands?

After Gadget? If it was before then you think they would've told him about stands.

>>81370247
>>81370305
You could lampshade it a bit. The Goon rushes in, looks like his stand is gonna start throwing punches, but it just keeps hovering there while the Goon goes to town with a lead pipe.

>>81368205
What About Jay and Silent Bob?
Do we even know how they get introduced into the story yet?

>>81370459

I think Marmaduke is locked because he appears in Fist of Borf Star.

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>>81370459
>Marmaduke
Only if it's the incarnation of him that is the personification of anger in dog form.

>>81370476
I say they come to town with Stands. Having Stands wouldn't mean they have to tell Gadget, until he becomes threatened by other Stand users, but Gadget doesn't really get into fighting Stand users fully until after he runs into the Eds and begins developing [Human After All], Shaggy could be the one who explains Stands to Gadget though, once he realizes Gadget became a Stand user.

Personally, I think we should move Swaggy and Scooby to the part 5 gang. There's just too many protags right now, it's tangling up the part.

>>81370545
I dunno about other's opinions, but my idea is that they first show up when Gadget comes to town, maybe he asks them directions or something, and they are treated as just background characters, or a throwaway appearance, but after Gadget dies, they come back into the story, revealed as Stand users when they possibly step in to fight, or assist in a fight.

>>81370672
Theres only like nine protagonists
Jojo's part 4 had 13 characters that counted as the protagonists. Sure the majority of them didn't get much screentime outside of their own arcs, but taking into consideration the characters that did have more than a background appearance, there was still 12 characters amongst the protagonists that had multiple, or significant contributions to the story

>>81370653
But why would they keep that from him?

That's need to know information in a town full of stand users.

And if Gadget is from the same organization as Secret Squirrel, wouldn't he have been briefed on the existence of stands beforehand? Or are they keeping that on a need to know basis?

>>81370830
"Oow shaggy, shouldn't we tell mister gadget about our stands? "
"But Scooobiee, he will think that we are crazy and won't talk to us"

>>81370830
Because it's like being a super hero, you don't reveal you're a super hero until you realize the criminals you are fighting are actually super villains. Until Shaggy realizes Gadget is getting involved in fighting Stand users, instead of just a regular murderer, he has no reason to reveal the world of Stands to Gadget. Unless we decide to have it be pre-existing knowledge to the folks who assign Gadget to the case that it's related to Stand users, in which case there would be no reason to put Gadget on the case to begin with. So logically enough, it should be completely unknown that it's a Stand user committing the killings.

>>81370810
In terms of story, this is how I see it.
>major characters: conman coalition, Gadget and Jay/Bob
>minor characters: Skooks and Scooby, Hiro and Gogo, and Penny

Major characters get 2-4 fights, minor characters get 1, 2 at most.

>>81371128
Why Jay/Bob as main characters and not Shaggy and Scooby? It would make more sense that the detective side has just as many main characters as the conman side, and when Gadget dies, Penny moves up from a minor character, which would lessen the number of characters to deal with.

>>81371225
Penny was going to get some stuff in Part 6, which is why I see Jay and Silent Bob sort of in here tong Gadget's will in 4 rather then her.

Shaggy and Scooby could probably get an important fight against Fred, and one against another Serial killer before they tell Scrooge what they've learned and he dismisses them for a job well done.

>>81369524
>>81369597
>>81370234
Like I suggested the previous thread, the sensation manipulation through color looks like a really good idea. The Emotional/Physical aspect through the left and right hands would make for an even more interesting application. As for user, I'm not entirely sure. I honestly really like this stand I wouldn't want to see it be a one off fight.

>>81371499
We could give it to crazy quilt, and make him either a major enemy racer or party member in part 7.

>>81371499
This is the kind of stand that the characters keep encountering but dont resolve on their first try or that ends up being a minor help on some battles

>>81371386
I don't see the logic behind two complete strangers inheriting Gadget's will instead of his niece, who also wants to be a detective herself. Also why get rid of Shaggy and Scooby? Not only does it seem pointless storywise, but it really reduces the variety in the cast and potential Stand battles.

>>81370900
I think we need to establish some things.

Gadget is a "big shot" Interpol(?) detective sent to investigate the killings. Shaggy and Scooby are locals? If they are locals and seasoned detectives, they should suspect there are punch ghosts involved, but maybe Shaggy and Scooby don't even know about the nature of stands despite having ones themselves since no one ever told them about it. Shaggy and Scooby think they're going a little crazy since they have things only they can see and it's not until Gadget can also see them that they begin actually getting involved since now they know they aren't going crazy.

>>81371656
Well, Shaggy and Scooby are hired, and can reappear in Part 5 if we want, perhaps hired by the Urban Rangers as party members so we can truly milk their stand's potential in a fight.
Penny definitely reappears in Part 6, which is my logic for that, plus Jay and Bob become Gadget's friends. Penny is still just a kid, and an older Penny in 6 can demonstrate some definite traits she got from her uncle, and talk about how she wants to do the same things he did and help people.

We can't really reuse Jay and Bob in a way that makes sense for them, they should get focus in 4 and let Shaggy, Scooby, and Penny get the attention they deserve in other parts.

>>81371811
I like the idea that before part 4 Shaggy and Scooby and maybe the whole gang were out solving Stand-related mysteries, so the whole Scooby Doo gang were Stand users, but never got into deadly Stand combat, so Shaggy and Scooby are familiar with dealing with Stands and the nature of Stands, but never dealt with psychopaths, nor really violent and bloody Stand battles.

>>81371656
Not complete strangers since they bond with gadget during the investigation(in a totally hetero way), but i agree about Penny, is her uncle after all

>>81371921
Shaggy, Scooby and Penny can get their development in this part, seeing as how they, along with Gadget, are the only detectives in the whole part, and then become support characters when they show up in later parts. Penny would grow, not only into a Stand user, but as a competent detective after Gadget dies, rather than breaking from the loss, she steels her will and decides to truly walk in her uncle's footsteps. Thus when she returns as a support/side character in part 6 we can witness the skills she picked up through part 4, but more refined. As for Scooby and Shaggy, with them hanging around and helping Penny with the case, they would develop from their cowardly personalities, not to become hardened detectives like Penny, but no longer bulking against the threat of real danger, so they can be better supports, if they do show up in part 5

I dunno why Jay and Bob would be put into such important roles when all we have for them in terms of roles is "They give directions to Gadget when he first gets to town."

>>81372148
Well the idea has been that they help him out consistently and mooch off him, growing to like him in the process. Not sure why that one guy wants to reduce their role.

>>81372203
I'm that one guy. I only want to reduce their role because I like the idea of Jay and Bob being seen as one shot appearances at the start only to jump back in after Gadget dies to join the main gang.

Also we already have four scam artists and a greedy rich man, so the idea of 'conmen characters' is getting really worn out

>>81372203
Jay and Bob or Shaggy and Scooby? im not even sure i know who Jay and Bob are anymore

>>81372294
Jay and Silent Bob, Gadget and Penny meet them when they first get to town, they have the shared Stand [Get Down][Make Love]

>>81372274
Well, if we go with this, Shaggy and Scooby could be major characters in uncovering the LHC, and then Scrooge says that their job is done and they can leave. As they walk out, they talk about a job they're been offered that foreshadows Part 5, probably about some kind of consiracy.

After they leave, Gadget dies, and Jay and Silent Bob fill the vacuum they left as a major stand using duo, helping directly right against the LHC rather then learn about and reveal it.

>>81372517
Well, whit this we can have a more hard and grounded Shaggy and Scooby on part 5 becauze "they weren't where they needed to be once and lost to much" having heard of gadgets dead long after the incident

>>81371960
It's just not meshing well.
There's no reason why Gadget wouldn't know about stands if we do that. Shaggy and Scooby should've gotten their stands from the jawbreakers a while before Gadget arrives in town.

Gadget parts I imagine to be him doing a serious internal monologue describing weirdos doing silly poses and things flying around in the air like magic because of it.

Non-Gadget parts people see Gadget as a goof and incompetent because it's not from Gadget's perspective.

Shaggy and Scooby are cowards who are terrified of their own stands and so never learned what they are until Gadget develops his own.

>>81372517
But why. I don't get why you wanna get rid of Shaggy and Scooby instead of the more logical story element of having two seasoned detectives assisting Penny as she steps up in her uncle's place, not to mention Scooby would work perfectly with Penny as a Brain role. Besides, you still missed my point. Jay and Silent Bob, as their alpha concept stands, are 'conmen' in that they are mooching off Gadget. By the time Penny takes over Gadget's role, the cast would consist of a single detective side character and seven conmen, three of which have similar Stands (two pretty much the same Stand) Shaggy and Scooby sticking around with Penny would bring a contrast to Penny's character, as well as build up a contrast with the conmen as they all work together against the LHC. Shaggy and Scooby are cowards who don't want to get involved in the violent Stand fights, but once they realize Penny, who just lost her uncle, is still going to chase after these violent killers (and at this point shes not a Stand user, so its a normal person going after psycho Stand users) their courage bubbles up and they stick around not only to be guides of sorts to Penny, but support her so some little girl isn't just running off to die. We can still have Scrooge telling the duo their job is done and they can leave, but it would make it even better to have the two of them step up to the plate to help Penny out even when they aren't on the job anymore and are scared.

>>81372596
It was less of a serious suggestion and more of a joke, I find it funny to imagine the gang having PG Stand fights with masked crooks.

>>81372595
Or, we can have more courageous and determined Shaggy and Scooby in part 5 because they stepped up when they didn't have to, to do something they didn't want to do, but knew was the right thing. Kind of like how Shaggy and Scooby are always portrayed in each incarnation

>>81372887
Because they can reappear in 5, which would fill up the pat 5 gang since Jimmy and Johnny 2X4 were removed.
If Shaggy and Scooby remain major for the whole part, they'll end up getting too much screen time, and Jay and Bob won't get any because of the glut of protags. If we 4emoce them halfway into 4, they still get a part and a half of screen time, and J&B get to be more involved to help and avenge Gadget.

Part 4 is bloated with major characters, having them all doing stuff at the same time will over complicate and tangle things.

>>81373159
What I'm seeing is J&B being pushed for no concrete reason. Beyond mooching off Gadget and getting angry at his death, they don't contribute any significant impact to the plot or to Penny, or the other characters. I mean we already have the Conmen Coalition getting involved because they want to help avenge Gadget, so what sets J&B apart from them? Meanwhile, Shaggy and Scooby provide valuable character interaction and growth for the story, rather than having them show up in part 5 all moody and gloom because they left part 4. If anything, we could have Jay and Bob show up in part 5 instead of Shaggy and Scooby, since part 5 is barebones as fuck.

>>81373421
Well, I guess we could put Jay and Silent Bob into 5 rather then Skooks and Scoob.
Have Shaggy and Scooby adopt Penny, and have Jay and Silent Bob walk off into the distance near the end of part 4, wanting to get to the bottom of the jawbreaker plot that got Gadget killed. Penny promises herself to help as she gets older, but on the way she gets caught up into the Superjail stuff.

>>81373421
>>81373574
Well what if we get neither of them on part 5 and we let it be its own thing?

>>81373574
Going with this, Jay and Bob could assist Gadget with one foght and only get the Creulla fight to themselves in part 4, so they don't get too much focus in 4.

Shaggy and Scooby could help all the way in 4, and get some more fights against Hearts Club members.

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I memed

Are there any sites that have the uncensored Stardust Crusaders arc streaming?

Or am I just gonna have to torrent them? Which group has the subs for the Blu-ray?

>>81373929
A+

>>81370624
>DA FUCK YOU SAY, HUMIE!?
Every damn time.

>>81373421
>>81373673
>>81373574
I like this.

>>81373673
The Cruella fight could be a great way to show Jay and Silent Bob working by themselves against an enemy rather than supporting someone, showing just how in sync they are.

>>81373673
Jay and Bob could help Gadget out in his first Stand battle, since he hasn't awakened yet, so they help him out until he starts to see the Stands

Just putting this bit of info forward, whether or not Jay and Silent Bob become a part of part 5 or not, I just want to put out that they were once illegally selling fireworks in one episode of their show.

Jay's Get Down transfers heat into objects to turn them into "heat bombs", and fireworks make a lot of heat.

Have we confirmed that the Lowly fight in the doc is the final version? Last I remember a few anons still weren't fully satisfied with it.

>>81375761
I think it is, it was changed totally from the one sandcastles made.

Unless someone else has something to say, it think that fight's description is done.

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Continuing my attempts to assign Userless stands to characters

Stand User: Herbie Popnecker
Stand Name: 「LADY MADONNA」
Appearance: Unknown, may be bound to Herbie's lollipop.
Ability: 「LADY MADONNA」creates small conveniences that allow Herbie to make it out of virtually any situation. As the original anon stated, sort of like Hey Ya!+Paisley Park.
Role: I was thinking Herbie would be a kind of joke character in Part 7. He just keeps walking, never really caring about what's going on around him. No one knows his story or if he's even officially in the race. He nearly wins it, but goes in a different direction and misses the finish line, allowing Wander to win.

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How do you guys feel about this stand?

I haven't found a suitable user or part for it yet, but maybe one of you can help.

Keep in mind that I have drawn inspiration from stands such as [Gold experience] and [soft and wet,] stands that have very ambigious rules on how their powers work.
So it may be a little overpowered if used correctly.

Stand name: [Golden Key]

[Golden key] is a stand made out of golden metal, it's heavily "key" themed. Maybe having some arabian elements, as a nod to "open Sesame" from alibaba and the forty thieves.

[Golden Key] has the power to [open] objects, be it books, mouths, hands or doors, you name it. As long as there is an opening or a crack, [Golden Key] can open it.
It doesn't matter if the object is locked or screwed together.
The user needs to see the object and say the phrase [Open "name of object"] for the ability to work, [Golden Key] may also touch the object itself for it to work.

If there is an outer force that wants to close an [open] object, e.g. somebody wants to close their [open] mouth, the stand user needs to maintain eye contact with the [open] mouth, or else the power is broken. If [Golden key] is touching an [open] object, the object may not close before [Golden key] releases it.

The user can decide how fast and how forcefully an object [opens,] deciding also how many degrees the opening will be.

Destructive Power B
Speed B
Range D
Durability A
Precision A
Developmental Potential B


I also have an idea for a [Golden Key act 2]/[Golden Key Requiem] if we ever use such a consept:

[Golden Key] may now open the spaces between objects, any two objects that are in contact with eachother may be forcefully split apart. An example is a person and the ground he's standing on. Depending on the volume of force used in the splitting, this may cause serious damage to the objects.

I was thinking it would be more fun if a major ally or a main character owned the stand, as opposed to a villain, but that is just my opinion.

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>>81378170
Not Speed

>>81378276
Maybe give it to one of the field from Les Nombres, and put them in Part 7.

>>81378342
>field
One of the girls, I meant to say.

>>81378323
>Speed only wins because Wander lets him so he won't feel bad about getting a loss on his otherwise perfect record
I'm hip.

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>>81378170
User: Eeyore
Stand: 「MELODY DAY」
Appearance: Resembles Ixtab, Mayan goddess of suicide
Ability: Creates a prison around a person's heart, sealing away their hope, joy and determination, turning the person emotionally mute. The only known way to escape is to make the user experience some fleeting feeling of 「joy」so that he lets his guard down. The only known way of doing this is to give him a new tale.
Role: An obstacle, but not necessarily a villain. Is unaware he has a Stand. Perhaps an unwilling pawn in a villain's scheme to take down the heroes. After gaining his tale, he goes on his way.

>>81378409
I can't see Speed winning for a reason other than his amazing, unparalleled driving skill. Wander would be too busy helping someone in need to even think about winning.

>>81378529
You do realize that in the original show he usually won because Racer X let him, right? I was referencing that, although you make a fair point about Wander.

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>>81378504
User: Sunny Bridges
Stand: 「PET SOUNDS」
Ability: Causes objects to react like sound waves for any sound created while in contact with them. Tapping a building causes the walls to fluctuate like measured sound waves, bullets that hit the user fluctuate as well. Sunny can use this on himself, making him very agile and hard to get a hold of.
Role: Enemy Stand in Part 4/5/7, could potentially become a minor ally because I like villains helping out the heroes and want to see more of it in the project.

So after the Conman Coalition is formed and they all leave the restaurant, Scrooge encounters his long time rival Flintheart Glomgold at whatever the local club is. It's an establishing shot of all the local rich people to show how strange and potentially grotesque they may be.

I picture their fight not to be one fought with fists, but with words and tactics, more like an argument over ethics. Flintheart Glomgold obviously wants to kill Scrooge, but he may or may not know about Scrooge's stand and what it does so he can't attack him. Or maybe he gets provoked into attacking Scrooge and loses a good chunk of money for it causing his standing the club to fall and be picked off by the other members.

Tossing around ideas.

>>81364003
But Johnny is dead
Hank will be a mummy by then
Knuckles will be a bit old.
Amelia will be widowed
Nigel will be old.

I think I like this idea though. When shit starts looking ugly they'll say.

"Fuck it. Stands were OP in our time and we didn't even have them"

>>81365881
Yeah. Having him fight Stands will be a trip.

>>81380355
Nigel's stand is just not useful for combat.

And as for who's running Strickland Goodwill, I suggested G.H. would fill that role.

>>81370684
They's his "eyes" for Stand battles while he gets his own Stand.

Honestly they sorta befriend each other while investigating. They don't work off each other that much at first, but by the time Gadget kicks the bucket it'll be a sigificant loss.

>>81380355
If we're going with realistic time gaps, then I guess an older Lydia could be a Strickland Undead Relations Agent.
Actually, it'd be cool if the Dead Man's Party made cameos in later parts. Maybe even have Death from DC comics show up.

>>81373673
I like this

>>81380591
So Johnny's ghost is sitting in Pop's Diner with an aged Hank and some of their other friends.

How much time passes between our parts 3 and 4? Hank was just old at the beginning of part 3 (really the epilogue of part 2), not ancient.

>>81380591
I agree. But not having them have fights, but rather just... go and do their own things for a while.

Show that while, yes, they had a nice bizarre adventure, they still managed to get on with their lives. Sorta like Lisa Lisa. We don't even know if she developed a Stand, or tried teaching Hamon again. She just retired and enjoyed old age.

>>81380733
Johnny and Milo's Ghosts
Hank looking older than in Part 2. Which is saying something.
Knuckles in cowboy hat mode
Amelia now older and grayer but still keeping fit.
A greyed Nigel with gray hair.
Kronk looking like he hasn't aged a fucking day.

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>>81380591

>Actually, it'd be cool if the Dead Man's Party made cameos in later parts. Maybe even have Death from DC comics show up.

I remember one of the earlier ideas was to have the Sanchez Twins from the Book of Life make a cameo in Part 1 as members of Dead Man's Party, and then another cameo in Part 6 as prisoners of Superjail. They wouldn't be Stand users and would just make something like background appearances.

>>81380860
Johnny only comes back as a ghost after he's navigated the afterlife and found Milo to bring him back as a ghost with him.

Hey. Popping in about chapter 5. I remember that Bionicle is now [NEVER EVER] because its' story is not mainly told via comics. Of course, I maybe missing some discussion, but still. I thought about Bionicle cameo popping in chapter 5. Since Toph's Stand Name is [BYE BYE BABYLON], song by Cryoshell who wrote songs for Bionicle, the stand could be one of Bionicle's stand originally, but the user died, and the only thing left was user's mask and the Stand. And I imagine Toph finding them. Or maybe better, having that user sacrifice himself for Toph, then user gives Toph [BYE BYE BABYLON], tells the name of the Stand and dies, leaving behind a mask. Just my thoughts.

>>81381764

Didn't someone suggest Bionicle could at least appear as small references? Like the mask thing in Part 1.

>>81381764
>I remember that Bionicle is now [NEVER EVER]
Aw god dammit!

>>81381764
But we have fucking Jay and Silent Bob, whose only cartoon appearance is a single show, but have almost constantly showed up via live actions movies. Or Weird Al who only have joke cameo's in cartoons. Or fucking Knuckles, none of Sonic story is mainly told via comics or cartoons,

>>81380936
>>81382307
>>81382376
>>81382557
Yeah, Bionicle isn't NEVER EVER'd. That title is reserved for only the most volatile subjects that inspire the most toxic of behavior like Homestuck or Steven Universe. I think people are having a hard time thinking up and accepting a place for them. I see no reasonable enough prejudice to axe them from the project.

>>81380591
>>81380733
>>81380742
>>81380860
>>81380913
>>81380936
There are earlier suggestions of the Dead Man Part showing up occasionally throughout the series to represent the passing on of people killed. But I really don't want it to go to the lengths of old characters reappearing constantly. I prefer the dead staying dead and gone. Ghosts makes it easy to devolve into 'X character reappears.' It's good when done well and in the appropriate situation but if it happens too often it'll just be annoying as hell.

>>81382307
What I suggest is a cameo in chapter 5. A user from Bionicle giving Toph [BUE BYE BABYLON] with his/her last breaths.

>>81382753
I'm pretty sure I was the only person to suggest Bionicles once, and I didn't exactly mean it as a serious suggestion, but if were actually trying to add them to part 7, they could take the role of Soundman, in the sense that they are 'natives' to the land, maybe?

>>81382557
We're only using Jay and Bob's cartoon personalities, Al is a banana now, and we're using Boom Knuckles, who is way different than game Knuckles. Bonkle's cartoons are basically adaptations of the books, so I'm thinking they don't count.

>>81382753
Oh. Well, there were 2 suggestions 2 threads ago about stand user Takanuva from me and Stand-doc fag, but everyone just forgot about it.

>>81382845
Don't forget their comics and webcomics too.

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Threadly reminder to read and/or watch Jojo's Bizarre Adventure if you haven't already.

It'll give you a better grasp on stand powers, character interactions and the plot and story in general.

>>81382852
Resuggest it. Liked ideas get support. Even if no one seems to like it much, Stand Review fag is there to give his feedback.

>>81382831
I really see the Soundman parallel and like this idea a lot. Just needs more ideas to develop it more into the story.

>>81382960
Fucking this. If you have the capacity to contribute your ideas here try and respect the source material and give it a chance. If you're a frequent contributor, don't even attempt to day you don't read Jojo. You don't even have to like it.

>>81382845
So whats stopping us from using the Bionicles comic personalities? I dunno what other anons said, but the Bionicle comics were the only story about them beyond the tiny blips along with the Lego kits. Not to mention they have at least one animated movie. I'm not saying we need to use the Bionicles, but if you're going to pick and choose which persona to use for one character, but disallow the same treatment for another, you just come of as a dick.

>>81383053
Have we decided what the race will involve? Maybe instead of just a race across one continent, the Wishing Star Race goes across various landscapes, so at one point the racers have to pass through Mata Nui, and fight at least one of the Bionicles who was maybe hired by Nobody, like how Soundman was hired by Valentine.

Alright, so how's this
>they mooch off gadget, but grow to like him the more they hang out
>Gadget gets into a stand fight after developing Human After All (maybe professor pig?) Jay and Silent Bob assist
>Gadget dies, they swear revenge for their friend
>Jay and Silent Bob fight and kill Creulla
>end of part 4, they dissappear to get to the bottom of the whole jawbreaker thing
>they appear in part 5 as party members, believing they're close to solving the mystery and truly avenging Gadget
Is this good?

>Freaky Fred takes a seat on a tree in the middle of a park
>What a beautiful Gravity.... berg..... cul.. What's the name of this town again?
>*chew*
>There must be no other place as pretty as this town!
>It feels like a picnic!

>>81382557
>>81382845
>>81383077
It doesn't matter how /co/ related it us. It just needs to be /co/ related. If you can think up a good idea, present it, and garner support, it doesn't matter how much more frequent the character is in other media.

>>81383150
Setting definitely needs to be built up for Part 7 and I'm vouching for this idea.

>>81383257
Is that how you want the event to go down, or just a really rough outline.

The way I see it, Gadget should have three fights before dying to Fred
The first one he starts out as a normal person, Jay and Bob help him out, and mid-way into the fight he awakens Human After All, but doesn't use it since he doesn't notice it (like how long it took Yasuho to notice Paisley Park)

Second fight, hes on his own, and getting his ass beat, but Human After All finally makes itself known to him and displays it's abilities, and Gadget gets his first actual Stand battle

Third fight, Gadget is full Stand user and competent battler, showing just what Gadget is capable of when he's on an even field with the Stand user enemies.

Then he meets Fred.

>>81383362
If we have multiple terrain 'stages' it would give us an excuse to include other vehicle types and or allies and enemies specifically for these vehicles

Like giving us an excuse to include my idea for Baloo from Tailspin vs the Swat Katz in a high in the sky Stand battle

>>81383455
Really rough outline, mainly just Jay and Bob stuff.

I like what you're saying, though. Showing Gadget's growth as a stand user would really help us enamored readers woth him, and make his death that much more impactful.

>>81381764
I like the idea of [BYE BYE BABYLON] being the stand of a bionicle before passing it down to Toph and having her carrying the mask with her person (maybe as a pauldron or something). May i suggest a Onu matoran for the original stand user?

>>81383077
four, four animated movies, and now a Netflix mini series (of gen2)

>>81383522
I've been eyeing you anon and I have to say. No one but you needs to make it their priority to accommodate your idea. Have it fit into what's established and make it work, or keep it to yourself. No offense. We all need to put in a certain amount of effort in thinking this stuff up.I'm not particularly fond of those who ask 'Can we add this' or 'Where does X fit?'

But otherwise yeah, I think different terrain would be cool. Kinda like that Tom and Jerry racing movie.

>>81383455
Fun thing is Human After All isn't a combat stand, it's more like a portable repairer than anything.

Aside from that the only thing he has going is that he can see stands now...
Wait! I thought only stands can hurt stands? Would Human After All's upgrades let Gadget hit stands,
or does he still have to focus on taking out the user instead of the stand?

>>81383704
Jeez, I only ever heard of the Mask of Light, and I remember how much hype that got.

What is it with like, the first movie of a long awaited franchise that gets all the hype, and then after its released, all the other movies after it just barely get noticed.

>>81383792
Still focus on the user instead of the Stand. As a one off I once suggested that Human After All can repair all technology, but it's a side effect of Gadget's techno-biology that causes it to come back more..human.

>>81383257
I'm seeing it morel like this:

Gadget and Penny are staying with Shaggy and Scooby (Jay and Bob guided them to the right address) who are in town working a different case, they've been following a string of bizarre occurrences their organization believes are stand related and since they have stands already they were assigned to it.
They have a lot of respect for Gadget since he's a more seasoned detective, but don't interact much with him since they're working different cases.

Fred became a stand user before the jawbreakers hit the town, so the cases really are separate. Shaggy and Scooby become more involved after Gadget is killed and Penny convinces them to stay and look over his case.

Jay and Bob go on their own revenge spree and ice Cruella.

At the end of part 4, with all the evidence collected thanks to Gadget, Shaggy and Scooby have a new lead and know about the jawbreakers transitioning them into part 5 where their objective is Farnsworth, the man who made the jawbreakers.

I also think that sometime during the "game" against the Recess kids one of them should drop the "Freaks a barber, in a freaky barber shop who does freaky barber things" line and whoever is listening just brushes it off as kids judging people by appearances.

Then it can go into a chapter about Fred where it has his opening rhyme and shows when he first discovered his stand in the greentext from last thread.

Also, I would really like to know how much time has passed between parts 3 and 4.

>>81383840
Now if we end up including gen1 Bonkles, are we going by their toy designs (read: comics, MNOLG and the web animations) or their movie designs?

does part 8 have a protag yet?

>>81383996
I say toy design, since I'm pushing for their comic personas. We don't need to delve into the universe and over complicated mythos and various generations of Bionicles. Just a bunch of weird natives to a little island in the path of the race where one of them has accepted a deal with the president of those foreign devils to help get rid of some of these invaders.

>>81383053
Reviewfag was the one who said we probably shouldn't use Bionicle though, but I can re-post mine if you guys are interested in giving it another shot.

>>81383996
personally, the style of the first three movies deviates too much from their original design, while the fourth movie has a nice consolidation between toy and movie

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repostan for criticism:

Agatha Heterodyne
「Rage Against The Machine」

Appearance: Pictured on the right

Abilities: When the user touches any broken piece of technology, it not only repairs itself but is given an AI with free will that follows the User's orders. Although these machines will never turn on their master, they have the free will to ignore the User and live how they please, meaning there is no telling how many machines there are in the world created by the User of this Stand, they will however stop functioning if the user dies.

The user can add weapons or abilities to these machines that vary depending on the scope of the User(for example amassing a bunch of broken clocks to form a Clank that can stop time, or repairing LEDs on broken CD players to make a Clank that can melt steel beams with LEDs)

Stats:
Power: A
Speed: E
Precision: C
Durability: A
Range: A
Developmental Potential: B

>>81384167
If that's what the majority want I'm just a dude. I will say if we use Bonkle we use the cartoon designs exclusively and just have them as a bit part in 7 like that one guy said, however. Also I'll catch up on reviews in a bit, sorry about missing last thread.

>>81384136
It's a tossup between Homestar Runner and TGT Tails.
Honestly I think they both should get the part, because the original Jojolion had two people that fused to become one/spoiler]

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Alright.
Stand User: Takanuva
Stand Name: [CRYOSHELL]
Appearance: A mask on user's face. There Are several masks:
Takanuva: [CRYOSHELL]
Tahu(Mata): [GRAVITY HURTS]
Whenua: [CLOSER TO THE TRUTH]
Matoro(Mahri): [CREEPING IN MY SOUL]
Ekimu (Okoto): [BREAKOUT]
Vezon(Piraka): [BYE BYE BABYLON] (Will be explained later)

Abilities: Takanuva is able to wear one of the masks acquired by him, changing his appearance and powers to the original wearer. All masks are wearable for 30 minutes. After that, mask disappears, leaving user maskless. Each mask recharges for 1 day.The only mask not bound by this limit is Takanuva's mask.
[CRYOSHELL]: Creating orbs of pure elements, and instantly using them. Fire, ice, water, earth, darkness, etc.
[GRAVITY HURTS]: Allows user to protect himself from only multiple damage sources. It passes a single strike, but will stop both or more.
[CLOSER TO THE TRUTH]: Gives user ability to see in darkness, purposefully emanate beams of light, blinding in seconds. But the user is blinded by the sun or other sources of light except his mask or the moon.
[CREEPING IN MY SOUL]: User is able to breathe underwater and see clearer underwater. Allows to speak to creatures of underwater, making them fall under users' control. Only 3 [CREATURES] allowed. However, user cannot breathe without water.
[BREAKOUT]: User may pinpoint a location. That location with a radius of 30 cm is immediately pierced by sharp bone-like blades.
[BYE BYE BABYLON]: (See Toph's stand) Is not in Takanuva's possession. Before he knew about
death of another Bionicle, Toph picked the stand up. Until Toph is dead and the mask and stand is collected, trying to use [BYE BYE BABYLON] makes user maskless, greatly reducing all of their stats for 10 minutes.

Role: appearing in background of all chapters from 1 to 5 collecting masks of fallen Bionicle in the background. After chapter 5: probably a major antagonist. Maybe even in chapter 5.
Well. That's all I got to say.

>>81384538
>Homestar Runner gets Trolled
Oh man that'd be something

>>81384948

>Tails with Homestar Runner's clothes

Shit. Didn't see all you writing about it. Well, jokes are on me. Feel free to bash me if you want to.

>>81384938
So bionicles bind their Stands to their masks? sounds good, though i would liked to see Rahi-like Stands.

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>>81384938
May as well bring mine back too

>Takanuva
>[CAUGHT UP IN A DREAM]
>Appearance: A mechanical crab
>Vehicle: [GRAVITY HURTS] (The Ussanui)
>Abilities: [CAUGHT UP IN A DREAM] can 'roll up' basic elements into [Spheres] which the Stand can launch at high speeds. These [Spheres] unravel/explode into their composite element when they hit something. For example, the Stand can roll up light into a [Sphere] and it will burst into a blinding flash upon contact with a target, a [Sphere] of earth with explode into a mass of dirt, a [Sphere] of ice would create a glacier .etc. The desired element must be present in order for [CAUGHT UP IN A DREAM] to roll it into a [Sphere] for use, and they can be knocked off course if struck at the right timing and angle.

>I was going to suggest him for Part 7 due to the identity theme and because he has a cool vehicle. Instead of just giving him mask powers I thought I'd have his Stand based around the sport they play in the movie and his pet crab. Its only a little less OP than Chaos' suggestion, but there is less clash with Snow White and its also a single Stand.

Looks like Chaos incorporated it into his own concept, though I'm still not too sure about the mask thing. I suppose technically we could link it back to Part 1 & 2 since it also involved a crazy mask that gives people powers, but I'd rather we not have Bionicle occupy too big of a role in the lore. I like the idea of them being a tribe that shows up as 'Corpse Part Guardians' in Part 7 though

>>81385516
How about Takanuva being flunked into this universe to bring a few rogue Bionicle of the guarding tribe. And along the road Takanuva gets a bit more corrupted, resulting in him trying to become the only Bionicle in the universes. Thus, attempting to get back to part 7 universe to kill the tribe. And in chapter 5 he is hunting Toph because she has Vezon's mask, the last Bionicle trophy from this universe.

>>81386233
Like I said earlier I'd rather Bionicle didn't have a really complicated 'story arc' within this project because they are technically 'outsiders' to /co/. Just having them show up as corpse part guardians in Part 7 would be sufficient, anything over and above that is too much for a series that isn't really supposed to be getting this much major focus.

>>81386233
I still prefer Takua over Takanuva

>>81384938
>>81386233
You're going in pretty hard with this Bionicle stuff. This is already a significantly sized a side story within the project at hand. It even includes alternate universes and inclusion within more than one Part. I like >>81385516 and >>81383150 They are tame allow inclusion of Bionicle, and don't go too far off into their own separate thing. I think you're asking for too much.

>>81386511
Oh well. Maybe. Maybe it is also because it is 4 am and I must be sleeping...

I know coco is a shoutout to this forum, but you guys missed a real opportunity not making "Mojo Jojo's Bizarre Adventure".

>>81386841
Mojo jojo is in part 7

>>81380936
thatd be nice. We could have the group dinner in Pop's be more of a side chapter just before shit goes down.

It's something established as a one-time only thing.

>>81383077
>>81383053

Make them come from angel island or something.

They're ancient warriors. They should not lose that trademark. Maybe they were the first [Style] or [Melody] users? Or the first to use stands?

idk.

>>81383257
this is the general idea, yes.
>>81383455
This is good too.

>>81383792
It keeps Gadget focused on the user, bt now he can work around Stands instead of tanking, guessing them.

>>81387137
We can just have Mata Nui be a solitary island full of the Bionicles, so the racers, or some of the racers at least, pass through Mata Nui on the way to the next checkpoint, and Mr. Nobody prepared for this by setting up one of the Toa to intercept the MCs

I made another concept for one of Nobodies closer associates.
>Melusine
>vehicle: Nursery Crime (Genesis album), a broomstick covered in scratches and strange pins, and it has a curious revving up sound that sounds similar to a human voice.
>stand: Sledgehammer (Peter Gabriel song)
>Sledgehammer is a long range swarm stand that takes the form of 300 tiny robotic and feminine humanoids that fly upon wings like that of a beetle. On each unit's chest is some kind of emblazoned symbol, from a stylized eye to a shoe.
>Sledgehammer has the power to control electrical charge, with each unit being able to produce and put forth 1 volt. Individually, each unit is weak, but together they can combine their volts to create deadly electrical blasts, control magnetic objevts, and other things. In particular, Melusine likes to use them to condense water vapor around her woth electrical charge, making it seem as if a roiling storm surrounds her.
>Melusine is the least experienced of Nobodies inner circle, often botching the minor missions she is often assigned. However, Nobody sees great potential in her, and assigned her as am overseer to the race rather then a plant like Aunt May, punishing "cheaters" and laying down Nobodies will in a far more open and awe inspiring way.
I based her stand off of Frenzy.

>>81383947
Because right now there's some really massive confusion over what roles Shaggy & Scooby and Jay and Silent Bob are playing.

Like their roles keep getting switched and mixed up.

Shaggy and Scooby take over Gadget's official investigation after he dies, before then they're trying to figure out where all these stand users are coming from, and while not directly connected, taking over and finishing Gadget's work gives them a lead on their assignment.

>>81388477
Well it's not that Shaggy and Scooby take over the case, its that they help Penny solve the case, since she takes over.

>>81388477
They're hired by Scrooge aren't they?

honestly I JUST heard of those two. Until now I've been writing with Gadget imagining him with Jay and silent bob. I didnt know Scooby and Shaggy were with him

>>81387587
Y'know, I'm kind of surprised that it's Takanuva and not Lewa, considering the latter's track record with being mind-controlled.

>>81388791
Somewhere during the Part 4 discussion this idea that there is a 'Detective Faction' appeared. I also thought Shaggy and Scooby were just hired by Scrooge once the focus shifted to the LHC investigation, not sure why people are pushing for them to be with Gadget now.

>>81388783
But officially they're the ones on the case since Penny isn't an agent of Interpol or whatever organization they're all working for.

>>81388791
Shaggy and Scooby are trying to find out where all the new stand users are coming from, the latest outbreak is in this city.

By helping Penny solve the case they probably threaten Kevin at the end (if he's still alive) to make him give up where he got his supply of jawbreakers from and then head into part 5's location.

Gadget was assigned to find out about the missing people Fred and the LHs were killing.

>>81388987
Ah I see, so this is an extension of that idea where Plucky gets an Act 2 from a Jawbreaker peeled by Shaggy's Stand right? Was that ever really accepted as a thing that was going to happen?

>>81388987
They're not Interpol either.

By Part 5 they BECOME that, but until now they were just Private Eyes. They got a track record for piggybacking off the success of the rest of their friends, but now this is them on their own.

Although I thought it was Jay and Silent Bob on part 5, which is why we were completeing Scooby and Shaggy;s story in this part.

>>81388987
Wait what? Since when were Shaggy and Scooby part of Interpol? Wasn't the idea from the beginning that they were just regular Private Detectives hired by Scrooge?

>>81389034
It wasn't dismissed, so it's still open to happening in part 5.

>>81389069
their track record working with the rest of the gang got them hired by Scrooge, as he didn't want anyone "official" on the case.

>>81389069
>>81389134
Then if its accepted that they are affiliated with Scrooge, there is no need for us to be debating whether its them or Jay & Silent Bob. Just have them show up later in the story as Scrooge's partners once the LHC investigation kicks off.

>>81389099
they aren't part of interpol

>>81389069
Jay and Silent Bob don't really have any business pursing it once Fred is dead. I just don't see what they'd be doing in part 5 outside of a minor cameo.

>>81389099
Oh, OK, so Scrooge hires Shaggy and Scooby, and Penny convinces them to actually take the case?

But then if they're not already investigating the source of the new stand users, that leaves little reason as to why they'd continue to go after the jawbreakers into part 5.

>>81389261
they get involved? that's pretty much their thing man.

Strong sense of justice. And funding from the Strickland foundation.

>>81389261
Putting aside the fact that the moment that requires them to be in Part 5 (the Plucky Deus Ex Machina) isn't even confirmed as going to happen, they could just have taken the job of investigating Jawbreakers after gaining confidence from tackling the LHC case.

>>81389034
>>81389110
If we keep that, it can easily be covered by Jay and Bob. Maybe the jawbreaker gets cracked, so Bob uses [Get Down] to slip into the crack of the jawbreaker and pull out the center for Plucky's requiem?

>>81389378
Why is it there still a debate about whether we use Jay & Silent Bob or Shaggy & Scooby? Their role conflict doesn't exist if the former are avenging Gadget and the latter are working for Scrooge.

>>81389329
So by the end of part 4, Shaggy and Scooby go over all of Gadget's notes and the information from all the people involved they've talked to and find out about the jawbreakers and that they still don't know where they came from.

From there, Scrooge sends them after whoever is making the things? Does he use his connections with Strickland to get them hired by Interpol or something?

>>81389424
Well I am confused here. I thought it was a good idea to lessen J&B in part 4 and then trade out Skooks and Scoobs for them in part 5 to give them more screen time, while Scooby and Shaggy get bigger roles throughout all of part 4 by assisting Penny

>>81389424
Because there's confusion over who is dong what.

I can't figure out what Jay and silent Bob doing in part 5 since they already helped avenge Gadget's death.

>>81389506
I thought Shaggy and Scooby would be assisting Penny and then follow up on their work by going after Farnsworth in part 5.

Alrighty, let's play catch up. Also this is unrelated but let it go on record that if Monkeybone had included pretty much every deleted scene on the DVD it would've been a way better movie.
>April
Terrapin Station is a better name. Not usually a fan of stands of this type but this one's actually pretty good, and every personality has good weaknesses. I wonder if she should be in part 6 because she's such a waifu but either way I like it.
>JOJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Name makes me chuckle. Power fits the clown theme, and has a nice catch with the audience thing. I like it.
>Oobi Doob Scooby Dooby Benooby
I'm hesitant to let Star Wars in just because it's such a rabid fanbase but the power itself is good and, like Bonkle, if the majority wants it I'll just say use the Clone Wars version for looks.
>Pussyfoot
Might adjust the "no injury if a copy is destroyed" thing and make the main stand bigger while the copies are all smaller versions, but otherwise I like it and it's convoluted enough that it works for 5. I'm wondering if we should change the user to a SJW mouthpiece due to the trigger thing, but I'm good with it either way.
>W.H.O. LeTerally
Badass appearance. Cool power too, although I wonder if it may fit a guard better. Also DAMN this is one obscure motherfucker. Not necessarily a bad thing but if there's a character people want in and can't think of a stand for, if this power fits that character well enough I might shift the stand to that character. We should include this stand for sure, though.
>Kick-Ass
I feel like we have enough suits but that's just me. It feels basic but I also like it, so there's that. Might cut back on the enhanced strength and speed bit, but the main power is solid and the secondary is a nice reference to the comics, although I'd phrase it something like "it sends his pain to the disappearance realm" or some crazy pseudoscience bullshit like that.

>>81389604
Well honestly I am fine with that, I was just trying to compromise with other anons who wanted Jay and Bob to still be important.

>>81389506
J&B have less reason to be in Part 5 than Shaggy and Scoob if we take into account them being hired by Scrooge to help with investigations.

In fact, it would make MORE sense for Shaggy and Scooby to be cut out in Part 4 and saved for showing up in Part 5 if that is the case. Like if Scrooge hired them to tie up loose ends with the Jawbreakers or something.

>>81389604
What? J&SB in Part 5? The only reason anyone wants that is because they want to replace their roles in Part 4 with Shaggy & Scooby when there is no reason for doing so.

>>81389703
alright

Less Shaggy and Scoobby in 4
more of them in 5

>>81389506
>>81389604
What I'm confident is certain is Jay and Silent Bob's sidekick relationship to Gadget for the majority of his investigation. His death prompts them to try avenging him and getting involved further in the Serial Killer business. Shaggy and Scooby are hired by Scrooge by the same reason. Investigating the LH Club.I suppose they could maybe show up in Part 5 but Jay and Bob, no.

>>81389765
Essentially this.

i love how this entire project started from a thread inspired by a draw request got derailed into an actual stand battle.

one of the best derails in a while.

>>81389703
Without Shaggy and Scooby in part 4, what's Penny going to do? Convince Jay & silent Bob to help her with investigations? They don't project an air of competence and are essentially strangers whereas Shaggy and Scooby are detectives hired by someone her uncle trusted.

>>81389796
>This project is a derailed thread gone off the deep end.
Amazing

>>81389703
Just to clear this up since people are confused

>Jay & Silent Bob are working with Gadget, and their character arc involves getting to know Gadget and eventually helping to avenge his death by continuing his investigation

>Shaggy & Scooby are trying to go solo after their old team broke up and get hired by Scrooge to help with the LHC investigation after the Coalition decides to avenge Gadget. Their arc would involve them gaining confidence in their own abilities and will lead up to them appearing in Part 5 to help the Urban Rangers.

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>>81389796
Are you talking about these pictures I made?

>>81389899
That's what I assumed. The posts about reducing their role in part 4 is what kept throwing me off since I didn't see them as being involved from the beginning of it.

>>81389862
I kind of thought that Jay & Silent Bob had some interaction with Penny if only by virtue of hanging out at their office for free food and stuff.

>>81389862
That might be where Jay and Silent Bob's sort of apprenticeship to him could prove useful. The three of them try picking up where he left off, the duo making dumb suggestions and silly ideas that might lead them to actual leads. Penny would overall be the brains and restrain them from going too far with their idiocy. Jay, Penny, and Bob could very well work together since they all have the same intentions.

>>81389942
Pretty sure this was a result of the threads. Kike the third or fourth one in that link in the OP.

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>>81390076
Yup, that was me

>>81389862
how the hell did Gadget trust Scrooge?

He knew Jay and Bob longer than he knew Scrooge. Jay and Bob would be the FIRST people Penny would go to. And they'd take care to help her to the best of their abilities.

She was going to investigate anyways. And they didnt want her blood on their hands indirectly.

basically
>>81390030

>>81390121
I'm still wondering if the autist who made the FORCED MEME counter was genuinely spiteful of the project or not. That was some dedicated shitposting. Admirable even.

>>81389652
By the way Mr. Review, there are some stands from the last thread that I don't think are added into the roc, like Old Mountain Dew.

>>81390300
Nah man I got Old Mountain Dew in there, Reviewfag is probably typing up another set of reviews unless he didn't notice there was more stuff after Kick-Ass.

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>>81390245
He was probably just having fun no one can be that autistic
I mean, I had fun doing these images at least

>>81389652
>The VW Beetle
If he's just a gag I'm hip. If he has a role in the story his power might be OP, but as a background thing go for it.
>Aunt May
Not sure if the OMD was intentional but if was you're a clever bastard. I like it, but part of me feels like it needs a concrete weakness, like it needs time to reset its state after absorbing something and can only keep a form for so long because of how old May is. Other than that I'm for it.
>Agatha "Stands can't melt steel beams" Hetrodyne
Who? It's alright, but I'm not overly impressed.
>Diddely diddely Strong Bad
Appearance should definitely be the Cheat. I like it, and it fits him well. Gets my vote.
>Heathcliff
I'm hesitant because he was in Borf star, but he only showed up as a corpse so... I'll leave the user to the jury. As for the stand, cut [ANTI JOKE] to keep it from being OP (and honestly if the target's thinking is simplified they'll just forget their stand's more complicated powers anyway, so you don't need it) and I'm for it.
>Black Magic 2 Electric Boogaloo
Just nerf sub ability one and this is fine. Like, if the head is cut off, the stand has 6 seconds to attach it before she dies, and whatever was affected will take 666 seconds to completely heal or something like that.
>Fix It Fix It Felix as fast as you can
I like the second appearance better. I like it, it's simple but effective and fits the character.
>>81364232
Good fix, fits Dredd better. I like it.
>>81368022
The original power was good, as I recall, and this user should be fine for it.
>>81369524
I like the second one better. As for the user, Crazy Quilt was actually a pretty good suggestion, just going off his looks.
>>81370063
I like it.

>>81390030
>>81390236
Why would she go to them? Jay and Bob may help Gadget once, but other than that they aren't really providing much. I had this discussion this morning with the same points. Scooby and Shaggy bring far more in terms of character importance and growth with Penny to the story than Jay and Bob do.

>>81390517
It was indeed fucking hilarious to watch that unfold. One of those fondly nostalgic moments in this project's month long history. And I mean a month. We started 2/28 and now it's 4/2. Quite the ride.

>>81390618
Jay & Silent Bob do a little more than help Gadget once I think, the idea seems to be after agreeing to guide him around town they keep coming back to him to take advantage of his naive kindness but they end up growing to like the guy in the end.

>>81390526
I'd be fine with Heathcliff being the stand user if he only just appeared as a corpse in Borf star. But I'm the guy who suggested it so I figure reception from others would probably be way better.

>>81390618
what do you mean? Guys who start off doing absolutely nothing but outright stealing off Gadget, but start liking the guy when they start talking more to him.
They start wanting to genuinely help him because they can. Turns out that they're good at it. Not as good as him, but they're ok.

Shit starts getting serious though. Gadget says it's alright and goes alone to someplace where a "maniac" was hiding.

Their new friend fucking dies. It could be their fault. They think that if they had been there they may have made a difference. Now the guys niece is in town asking around and wanting to find the killer.

They try to dissuade her. But she makes it clear shes doing it with or without them. They decide to go with her.

>>81390236
Because he got to know Scrooge and they found they had common acquaintances, they kind you don't have if you're a murdering psychopath.

Here >>81369303

>>81389988
I can't really see her trusting them because of interactions like that.

>>81390030
It could work, but Scrooge would still hire someone to look into things for him.

>>81390708

Snoopy was barely mentioned in Borf Star, and yet he made in and became one of Daffy's top subordinates. I say go for it.

>>81390677
Yeah, so why would Penny actually want to go to them after her uncle dies if all she knows about them is that they used her uncle for free food and stuff and helped out a little bit. Hell I could see Penny disliking the two of them because they are taking advantage of Gadget.

Meanwhile, Scooby and Shaggy provided seasoned detective skills, as well as the quirkiness of their personalities (also I like their Stands potential for cool fights) and when Gadget dies, not only Penny, but Scooby and Shaggy would make serious character growth to take over for him. Not to mention the connections between Scooby and Penny could be a relationship similar to Penny and Brain

>>81390300
>Mr. Review
That made me giggle for some reason. But yeah, it just takes me a bit to get through stuff, if I miss something just let me know. Anyway...
>>81390526
>>81378276
I dig it. If we do end up making this one an act two for some reason the power you suggested is fine, but I'm not sure if we'll go with that. As for the user, it should be Ultra Magnus because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uroJx-y9w0 this is a half joking suggestion since I'm not sure if we want Transformers but if Bonkle's okay I'll just throw it out there
>>81378504
Something in the back of my mind says it's similar to a stand we already have but I like it. Might make a nice corpse guardian in 7.
>>81378990
I dig it.
>>81384938
Eh. Seems kind of overpowered. Plus I'm not a fan of the "Bonkle Majora's Mask" thing.
>>81385516
This one's nice, I dig it. Still think we should only use the ones that were in Mask of Light and only use the designs from that movie, though, maybe with a brief reference to Mata Nui founding the tribe or something.
>>81387919
This one's fine. Maybe not as final four or anything, but would make a nice minor villain.

>>81390808
Two guys going from mallrats to heroes is not as good in your eyes as two detectives becoming cooler detectives?

cmon man.

>>81390808
Well if that's the case maybe she doesn't want them around, but J&SB follow her anyway because they feel guilty about what they did.

I'm not saying that Penny, Shaggy & Scooby can't have interactions between them either, but you're fighting an uphill battle here because the majority of anons here want J&SB to keep their positions in the part a la >>81389899

>>81390912
The mallrats don't carry over to the next part though.

Shaggy and Scooby carry over into part 5 easily with a clear motivation.

>>81390997
then why make them major players?

Do you even JoJo man?

>>81390997
Unironically asking.

Do you?

>>81390978
OK, so, here's a thought.

Penny is tagging along with Shaggy and Scooby and J&SB are tagging along with Penny.

They're all in the same group at the same time after Gadget dies.

>>81390884
>Something in the back of my mind says it's similar to a stand we already have but I like it.
It's one of the userless Stands in the doc. I've been trying to give them users.

>>81390808
Well she trusts them for one thing, and knows they are of some worth with their stands and street smarts. I assumed they would build some form of trust through Gadget. Plus why would Interpol have a child continue investigation. She'd want to get the job done herself and use whatever support she could, that being Jay and Silent Bob. Shaggy and Scooby aren't even proper PI's. Just a stoner and his dog freelancing.

Captcha really fucking likes water.

>>81391078
why would she be tagging though?

She has gadget's notes. Jay and Silent Bob gave them to her.

They could meet up and fight a killer together. That'd make more sense.

>>81391133
Because Shaggy and Scooby were hired to do the job and she's just a child who no one is going to take seriously in a murder investigation.

No one takes Penny seriously and she has to use other people as the face of her activities to get anything done. That's why Sahggy and Scooby are a better choice and J&SB, because they have credentials that makes their actions at least plausible.

>>81391228

I fail to see how nobody taking Penny seriously will in any way impede her ability to investigate the murders. Especially since that never stopped her in the shows.

Also are we using Classic Penny or Gadgetinis Penny? I would assume the latter considering her Stand's appearance.

>>81391228
hired as PI's. Not as real cops.

As Jotaro said in the original "The only justice a stand user will face is that of another stand user."

he didnt say it like that. But that was what he meant.

>>81391384
She doesn't even get a stand until part 6.

How is she going to get the criminals arrested if no one will look at the evidence she's collected? She has to use someone to show that evidence to get the authorities to actually do something.

But apparently that doesn't even matter since the group just murders everyone involved with the murders.

>>81391463
No, she gets a Stand in this Part. It was in the Pastebin and its in the doc now.

>The death of Gadget leaves Penny heartbroken and intent on getting revenge.
>She tries to get involved in the investigation, but everyone brushes her off.
>Eventually, she happens onto a jawbreaker by accident and obtains a Stand.
>Her Stand enables her to investigate with her newfound abilities, leading her to Fred.
>She then forces the groups to listen to her about her findings.
>It all climaxes in the eventual confrontation with Fred.
>Penny then decides to strike out on her own rather than be hauled off by CPS after avenging Gadget.
>It leads her on her own odd journey as she investigates rumors of mysterious disappearances and a nonsensical prison that never stays in one location for long, kicking off the events of Waifu Ocean.

>>81391384
On top of that, Jay and Silent Bob have the most insight in the mursers up to that point in time. They've been with Gadget from the start, investigating while everyone else was busy with trivial shit. Why in the fuck wouldn't she partner along with them.

>>81391463
What? She gets a Stand after Gadget dies.

>>81391539
Fuck it.

I guess Shaggy and Scooby are just an epilogue bit then with Scrooge telling them there's still work to be done.

>>81391544
Nah she makes a surprise appearance with a stand for the first time in Part 6.

>>81391539
Same anon. It probably won't happen exactly like described, but the point is that Penny was planned to get a Stand in this Part a long time ago.

>>81391540
Because they aren't detectives, they are moochers. You're making it seem like they are with Gadget every step of the way while Penny was off somewhere else. Why would Penny leave her uncle alone with men she KNOWS are using him.

Shaggy and Scooby are actual detectives who have been working on the case, not a couple of stoners who just came along for free food, why wouldn't Penny go to them for help?

>>81391616
Fuck well dismiss this >>81391615
My memory's slipping.

>>81391619
they are.
Because she wasn't there. And because they actually had a stand. It was a shit stand, but that was the point. It would have to do.

Eventually they genuinely get involved and have gotten into a real fight or two by then. Way more trustworthy by that point.

I dont know why you're wanking Shag and scoob man. You didnt even answer my question regarding if you even JoJO'd

>>81391597
Nobody wants to cut Shaggy and Scooby from this part. See: >>81389899

>>81391619
Probably because Gadget keeps telling her not to be so suspicious of people? She might know better than him but Gadget is still her Uncle, not much she can do about him hanging with J&SB if he insists that they are helping him.

Why would she go to them for help if she doesn't know who they are? They way the plot is scripted Shaggy & Scooby don't have a reason to show up until Scrooge decides to get involved in the investigation and hires them.

>>81391796
where was Penny all the time? i got the feeling she was outside town, that would explain why she didn't do her usual job of saving Gadget's ass

>>81391762
You asked me this >>81391023

Not that other anon you're replying to.

And you asked me it when I replied to your post which was not replying to one of my posts.

>>81391068
Do I what?
Do. I. What.

J&SB don't make any sense to me. There are too many characters who come into play with Gadget's death and that's where all this confusion is coming from.

No one can decide where J&SB should be in the story right now. Do they just follow Gadget around all the fucking time even when there's no way to mooch off of him during these times?

>>81391762
You say they are, but thats just it, I've seen nothing about them being with Gadget the whole time and Penny being shunted to a background slot.

Also yes, I have read all of fucking Jojo, back when Duwang was the only thing we had of part 4, and even all of Part 5 with the horrible translations, I've even read PHF. I know Jojo, buddy.

You wanna know why I am 'wanking' Shag and Scoob? Because when I look at the cast, and the way it will play out past Gadget's death, I see an imbalanced cast that will get dull fast. Jay and Bob are obviously conmen-esque characters, which means once Gadget is dead, and you want to throw Shaggy and Scooby out of the story, the only detective in a murder mystery story is Penny, and shes supposed to confide in two stoners who were taking advantage of her uncle for free food? Then we got the coalition, who are three money-based Stands (two of which are practically the same Stand) a rich old miser and then Ed and Double D. Are you saying you dont see anything wrong with throwing out practically every detective to make even more conmen characters be important. If were gonna do this why the fuck do we even bother with the detectives if it's just gonna be mainly a bunch of moochers and cons throwing money at serial killers through the entire story?

>>81391796
The way this conversation is going is that Jay and Silent Bob just take over every suggested role Shaggy and Scooby have to play in part 4.

My suggestion was Penny goes along with Shaggy and Scooby to help them with the investigation since she knows shit, and Jay and Silent Bob follow her because they feel guilty over Gadget's death leading to a 5 person investigation party, but that got shot down for some reason and no reason I could give for why it could work was good enough leading further away from the original suggestion.

>>81392006
are you saying that shit's not fucking cash?

>>81392067
A 5 person investigation party works great, actually. We get to put the two moochers in the more background role they deserve without kicking them out.

And Shaggy and Scooby get a chance to shine.

>>81392081
Nigga were working on a fucking story here, not a joke.

>>81391978
The only people involved in Gadget's death is J&SB and Penny. His efforts are otherwise unknown to the rest of the cast for a good amount of the story which is pretty sad.

>>81392006
The moochers aspect of J&SB I think was meant to be downplayed after their initial meeting. Then on they're just comic relief and occasional support and advisers. Then Gadget dies and they at least try to apply themselves to finishing his job.

>>81392117
Maybe now we can get somewhere.

So Penny, J&SB, Shaggy, and Scooby are doing investigation shit. Once they uncover enough stuff they update Scrooge with this information and the Conman Coalition goes on the warpath.

>>81392190
exactly.

No one else even meets gadget. They come to know about his efforts through Jay bob and Penny.

Unless someone wrote in a meeting scene in the past month without me notiicng.

>>81392006
For the last time nobody wants to cut Scooby and Shaggy out of the damn story. Or the Eds for that matter in the last thread. Why is this such a difficult thing to make people aware of?

>>81392129
We're making Hank Hill use propane powered robots to help Johnny Bravo beat up Kuzco, who plans on blocking out the sun with a disco ball so he can party forever. Like it or not the whole thing is ridiculous as fuck, and if we lose sight of that and stop having fun with this the project's going to die.

>>81392329
b-b-but srs story guizzzz

>>81392208
I can dig this.

>>81392253
The Eds met Gadget, Scrooge met Gadget, Gadget met Stan when he forces them to help bring down Kevin after he becomes aware of stands.

Gadget gets to know the entire Conman Coalition, that's why they decide to bring down the LHC after he dies, they all liked him and didn't like what happened to him.

>>81392117
Did the thought occur to anyone that there could be more than one group of detectives investigating the murders? No? That maybe Team Penny and Team Shaggy could be doing their own separate investigations simultaneously before eventually meeting up following the same leads?

But yeah forming a 5 person investigation team does sound like a good idea when they eventually do converge.

>>81392573
this was my idea all along

Lets make this occur

>>81392573
>>81392635
So how is this going down?

When they meet up and compare notes things fall into place, phone calls get made, and Scrooge gets the CoCo together to bring down the LHC?

Or when they meet up something becomes obvious and they figure out the existence of the LHC because someone pulls some strings every time a seemingly random murder happens?

Like Shaggy and Scooby have looked into whenever one of the other rich people in town dumps a lot of money on something and it just so happens to line up with when a murder has happened which Penny has all the dates of? The real dates, not the cover up dates.

>>81392800
Shaggy and Scooby: Investigative acountants?

Nah. doesnt sound like them

Edds and Conmen: They got the money flow

Shaggy and Scoob: Found the place

Penny and Moochers: The Dates

Together they have the culprits and the evidence. They're not actually going to take them in to the police. They'll just kill them.

>>81392986
I was under the impression that the police were on the LHC's payroll. Or at least one of them was.

>>81392294
But thats exactly what people are saying
>Gadget dies
>Scooby and Shaggy report to Scrooge with their findings
>Scrooge says there job is done and they leave
>J&B then tag along with Penny
Thats the majority of suggestions I have seen for this situation. Mind you I was the guy who argued to reduce the Ed's roles, so I know the Eds aren't being cut.

>>81392535
I'm sorry but no. It was long accepted Gadget played a serious role in a lighthearted beginning of the story, ignorant to the majority of the cast. It's only after him dying people become aware of what's happening. I haven't seen this idea challenged unless I've missed some amount of discussion. I'm hoping he gets some comeuppance from beyond the grave, outside of the people inheriting his case, so he doesn't go so unappreciated.

>>81392986
which is why they're not turing them into the police.

I defer again to the "Who will judge?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUi0L28WJyc

>>81393057

What police officers could be corrupted enough to accept bribes from LHC?

Chief Wiggum? Officer Briwoski?

>>81393057
one anon suggested that Sgt.Pepper from the ppg episode that parodies the Beatles was the founder of the club and Fred killed him before the start of Part 4

>Post Gadget's Death
>Penny discovers Gadget's notes on what's going on as well as the other Jawbreaker he got from the [Men at Work]
>She eats it and develops her Stand, subsequently finding out that J&SB have them too
>They spill the beans about everything else that has happened and ask to help her investigate Gadget's Death
>She doesn't want them involved because they are crooks, but they tag along anyway.
>Meanwhile the Conman Coalition starts putting together their own investigation
>Scrooge hires two former detectives from the reputed Mystery Incorporated: Shaggy & Scooby
>Team Penny, Team Shaggy as well as the other members of the Coalition start searching for Fred separately, but they eventually converge and start working together.
>They wind up encountering members of the LHC in the search for Fred and become aware of their activities in the City.
>They assume that Fred is a member himself and decide they are going to take the LHC down.
>Fred may or may not be involved in directing the investigators to the club because he wants to take down everyone who knows how naughty he has been recently.
>The Investigators and the Coalition have a final battle with the LHC and Fred, who showed up to make sure there is nothing left of either group.

Something like this? I remember there was some argument about Fred's role in the LHC narrative so that can be changed as necessary.