Could the Avengers stop him?

>>81239932

Thor hits him with his hammer.

>>81239975
Thor jobs

>>81239932
Vision alone could probably just phase into him and shove his robodick into his heart even before he unlocks his Leatherback kaiju energy pulse thing.

Superman could solo the Avengers and he couldn't single-handedly beat Doomsday, so the answer is no.

>>81239975
He adapts to it

>>81239932
No but terrible CGI could

>>81239932
No
Avengers are except for Thor, street level heroes

>>81240161
>Iron Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch and Hulk
>Street-level

Uhhh...

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>>81239932
>Movie?
Maybe Hulk and Vision and I mean working together.
>comics
Shit there are so many teams
Fem Thor
Is Cho Hulk on an Avengers team?
Squirrel Girl


I have a question.
Kryptonite effects this thing. So what would happen if it was a Red Kryptonite spear?

I mean besides it becoming impossibly sexy.

>>81240015
>Superman could solo the Avengers

Dcasuals belive this

>>81240161
Stop using terms you don't know

>>81240214
>Maybe Hulk and Vision and I mean working together.
Well working together is kind of the whole point of a superhero team so yeah that's assumed.

>>81239932
>>81240161
All of the MCU heroes combined couldn't do shit. I'm including the Guardians of the Galaxy along with Dr Strange because we don't need to see his movie to know Disney will nerf the fuck out of his science- I mean magic.

>>81240015
Maybe before Scarlet Witch and Vision were introduced.

>>81240254
You're talking as if Superman and Doomsday weren't both massively nerfed in DCEU.

>>81239989
>>81240111

It's a magic hammer.

>>81240322
Is it still a magic hammer when magic is just alien science?

>>81240254
Doomsday nor superman are as powerful as they are in comics, they're incredibly nerfed too.

Hulk, thor, vision, hulkbuster ironman, all could take him in different ways. Though ironman not so much.

>>81239932
They'd probably just exile him to a barren planet somewhere like they did with Hulk

>>81239932
Hulk would be the only one left alive.

>>81240248
Well yea, but no. I mean as opposed to their comicbook counter parts that I believe could beat it without any assistance.
Like Hulk could beat it solo and so could Thor.
But in the movies Hulk and Vision and Thor would have to be a team to stand a chance.

>>81240371
Iron Man could totally do it with either knowledge of kryptonite or sufficiently long prep time.

>>81240359

Magic? Science? Where Thor's from they're one and the same.

Star Lord could beat him easy. He is my favorite

>>81240371
>Doomsday nor superman are as powerful as they are in comics, they're incredibly nerfed too.

Doomsday and Superman both survived a nuclear attack Doomsday almost without missing a beat. I haven't seen anything or anyone in ANY Marvel movie that's come close to that power level yet. Maybe one of the infinity stones.

>>81240231
Nigga, the fucker could lift entire planets if he needs to. DC heroes in genral are so far above Marvel in terms of power level it isn't even funny. Hell, any single member of the JLA can solo the Avengers.

The avengers would just have to wait two days for his power to drop 55%.

>>81240231
Renner and Evans were the ones who said it

>>81240527
Vision could just phase into him and scramble his brain, honestly.

>>81240371
That's absolutely not true. They are nerfed, but they are still drastically more powerful than anything shown in the MCU

>>81240190
When you're comparing heroes that can lift only 100 tons to someone that can lift in the quintillions, they are very much street level in comparison.

>>81240322
>it's a not-magic-just-science-we-don't-understand hammer.

Fixed that for you.

>>81240527
> maybe one

you forget the nuke tony shoved up the worm hole

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Batman could solo the Avengers.

Prove me wrong, Marvelshills.

>>81240609
Yea but re you sure he wouldn't heal from that?

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>>81240556
You sly fox, you.

How was Lex able to clone a 10 foot 1000 pound mountain troll from blood and fingerprints in 24 hours? Maybe it took longer but the passage of time was convoluted by the horrible editing.

>>81240609
>grows a better brain.

>>81240646
Yeah, by shooting them with guns.

>>81240629
pretty sure Vision lifting mjolnir puts him past the quintillions category

>>81240676
Kryptonian Genesis chamber.

>>81240676
Zod's body and a shit ton of Kryptonian goo were there too, weren't there?

>>81240676
The answer "movie magic". Any kind of cloning that yields a fully-grown, fully-capable being without years being factored in is already fictional as hell. 24 hours? Hey man, if it takes the same amount of time to slowcook in a crockpot, that's how long it takes to clone in movies.

Human blood + Kryptonian DNA = Doomsday

God help Clark if he has a kid with lois

>>81240635
I guess because I sure as fuck don't remember him getting hit by it and then him surviving.

>>81239932
> Scarlet witch casts sleep lvl 1
> its omega effective

>>81240730
Nope, you forget anon, "those who be worthy, may wield the hammer". Vision lifting it was shorthand "he's a good guy, cause worthy". He didn't lift it through sheer strength (which if the hammer's background of being forged in a dying star is correct, I doubt supes could lift it (until some writer makes as such))

>>81240885
Doomsday doesn't sleep

>>81240831
pretty sure him still being alive today qualifies him as surviving. even sups was knocked out by the nuke so it puts him on the same level as sups and he is just wearing armor. not even hulk buster to boot. Tony could probably even whip up a better superman buster in a shorter amount of time. not saying itll beat superman but he would at least last longer

>>81240806
That also explains how Lois was able to fly from DP headquarters in Metropolis to some abandoned building in Gotham in 40 minutes.

If they have Kryptonite yes. If not. Maybe.

Scarlet Witch, Thor, and Vision probably could? but we don't know how unkillable he is without exposure to Kryptonite or even if he has a magic weakness

So i'm going to go with no.

>>81240989
He was sleeping pretty well in that cocoon

>>81239932
no

>>81241051
No Kryptonian in marvel m8

>>81241052
Its funny too because ive always found that Dc relies more on magic and shit while marvel usually leans towards cosmic and mutant freaks of nature

>>81240542
Were talking about the movies but

>thor herc,hulk captain marvel , blue marvel, dr strange, vision, nova, storm blackbolt pymtron i could keep going

>>81241030
The difference to me is Supes was hit by it Like the bomb went off almost on him and Doomsday. Ironman pushed it through a portal and let it fly off and he got hit by the force of the blast and knocked back through the portal.

>>81239932
Doomsday would rape them.

>>81240815
I almost want to see a story with a pack of adorably grotesque mini-doomsdays romping around a farm in Smallville, getting instilled with American values and a sense of right while Lois plays the dotting farmwife. I could see them turning out like a weird Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ripoff.

>>81241241
how big is his dick? is it also spiked, like a cat dick?

>>81241252
SUPER KRYPTONIAN MUTANT CHILDREN

KILLERS IN A CRUSTY SHELL

DOOMSDAY POWER

>>81241238
ill give you that but I wanna pull away that at least within a 1 mile radius of most modern nukes that the difference from the center is almost moot. that being said Im not enough of a nerd to recall tonys distance

>>81241526
We don't know how names work in space so it's hard to say whether it dissipates over distances faster

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They could and they would protect the citizens and their property. Because that's what a hero does.

>>81239932
The Hulk could just throw him into space.

>>81240437
Maybe, hulk tore him up pretty bad. Though he did knock him out

>>81241583
the sun proves fission works pretty well in space

>>81239932
They all give him their best Dreamworks face as they quip him into submission and he decides to stop being evil and eat shawarma.

>>81241633
>Rhodey
>front and center
>even on the poster
good on anon

>>81241583
I don't think it matters how far he goes his name is still going to be Tony whether he's in space or not.

>>81240612
Not really.

>>81241738
Better than destroying half no the entire city to take him out

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>>81241738
No, that might be interesting. And we can;t have that in a movie with a DC character in it. Instead they should use a spear made of kryptonite that Maria Hill threw in some water earlier to stab Doomsday and beat him that way.

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>>81240711

>>81241941
Lois caused every single problem in this movie

>Hulk and Doomsday destroy the planet.

Each getting stronger and stronger as time goes by until our sun turns into a Red Giant and Hulk kills weakened Doomsday.

>>81240015
He would single handedly defeated Dommsday in the film had the government not shot him back down into atmosphere.

>>81241941
get on skype yoto

>>81239932
I honestly think they could. Not because they got the raw strength of dceu supes and wondy but because of their numbers and superior not directed by snyder logic when dealing with shit.

They'd probably learn about ole luthor hoarding that kryptonite and have it affixed to some of hawkeyes arrows in no time. Then hulk, thor, and vision would just pound on him until hawkeye can take the shot.

>>81239932
Vision probably could.

Either through phase-fu or by using the Mind Gem's mind powers.

>>81242136
mcu avengers were never really contested strength wise, if there was a single target as opposed to armies of mooks attacking civilians they could bring much more pain down

>>81242136
I sincerely doubt that

>>81239932
>Movie
no. Maybe, MAYBE Vision, but it depends how strong the mind gem is in the MCU.

>Comics
Depends what version of Doomsday I guess. I'd say that if it's a stacked Avengers team, like with Thor, Hyperion, Hulk, and other heavy hitters, they would have no problem taking him out, since some of them can take him solo.

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>>81239932
Nothing in the MCU can handle a MoS Kryptonian.

Too much speed for anything in the MCU to react to at all.

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>>81239932
The trio couldn't stop him unless they had the fucking kryptonite spear.

The Avengers can't stop him unless they have the kryptonite spear.

>People don't know how OP thor is

Read A Scince/Mythology book some times

>>81242512
There not that fast desu

as it stands the Flash Vs Supes debate wont be a thing in the movies

Power levels are largely meaningless and change by the whim of the writer.

If a writer wanted Black Widow could probably solo Doomsday (through the power of kryptonnite and shitty writing). If a writer wanted the entire Avengers could die and fail to hurt Doomsday

>>81242136
>tfw kryptonite Hulkbuster
I want this

SPEED you fucktards. None of The MCU matches their speed let alone strength. Don't give me Vision phasing or SW mindcontrol bs, they are both trash tier that couldn't even keep up with Doomsday and his electric shockwaves.

>>81242582
Kal and Faora just ripping around Smallville before anyone could hit them with the first bullet is considered 'not that fast"

Still faster than everyone including Quicksilver has ever displayed in an MCU movie.

Even then Superman already displayed better strength and durability feats than everyone to appear in a MCU movie to date. There is literally nothing MCU Earth can do about a krypronian.

>>81242761
Take a break.

>Doomsday just stands there doing nothing
>Iron Man weapons have no effect
>Hulk breaks fist against Doomy's chin while still not budging an inch
>Thor's hammer shatters over Doomy's head
>Cap throws a frisbee
>Vision shoots a tiny yellow laser
>Scarlet Witch tries to attack the mind of a mindless animal, nothing happens
>Vision cannot phase through dense molecular body
>Black Widow and Hawkeye are less than worthless

It would be an utter rapestomp without Doomsday even trying hard. Shit would be over in seconds. Then MCU Earth gets destroyed because their amazing street level heroes are shit.

>>81242761
You underestimate how fast hulk tony and thor move in the movies

All they need is an Infinity Gem.

>>81241179
Nova was never an Avenger.

>>81243023
When they can fly around the world in minutes, leave the atmosphere and back without sweating, and break a mountain apart just by falling, then you can come back to me.

>>81239932
Doomsday no-sold a nuke and it only made him stronger, there's pretty much nothing the Avengers can do to even hurt him without kryptonite.

>>81242984
>Black Widow
"Hey, big guy."

>>81243132
I'm pretty sure an angered Hulk can do that too.

>>81240646
he couldn't even solo Cap

>>81240359
>>81240634

>hammer plain doesn't work on anyone who isn't worthy because of Odin's enchantment
>HURR NO IT'S LE ADVANCED ALIEN SCIENCE XD

jesus fucking christ

Yeah the movies said that retarded shit but at the end of the day it's still magic. You don't see any of the avengers being able to pick up Mjolnir just because they figured out how it works

>>81239932
Doctor Strange could. Marvel universe Magic is crazy shit.

>>81243132
Not in the MCU. A nuke would vaporize movie Hulk.

>>81242984

>scarlet witch tries to attack the mind

can't she do chaos magic or some shit like that?

>>81243344
Meant for >>81243218

>>81242452
Avengers still have Monica Rambeau, Hercules, Sentry, Quasar, Blue Marvel, and Dr Strange on call when things get rough.

>>81242984
>Doctor Strange turns his arms and legs into bowls of Alfredo pasta

>>81243418
Even Darkseid couldn't stop Doomsday. He threw him into a black hole.

And he lived through it, came out the other end to the beginning of time, and kicked even more ass.

>>81243475
in a universe with reality/time fuckery, that's what we call plot armor

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>>81240542
Fucking THIS

>Flash can solo the Avengers
>Green Lantern can solo the Avengers
>Wonder Woman can solo the Avengers
>Martian Manhunter can solo the Avengers
>Batman can solo the Avengers
>Aquaman is still stronger than Marvel's 100 ton maximum

Marvel is just low tier compared to DC. You need to switch over to Marvel's cosmic teams like the Heralds and avatars to start matching the JLA and DC heavy hitters.

>>81240646
They just need to chant Martha until he has a nervous breakdown.

>>81240322
Wasn't Wonder Woman using magic shit?

>>81243218
Same Hulk that is knocked out and turned back to normal with a single fist to the face?

Yea no, he is not taking on Aquaman much less a Kryptonian.

>>81243568
>>81240542

>Marvel is only composed of the Avengers

jesus christ

I knew DCucks were stupid but not like this

>>81243296
Tony did figure out how it worked, in Avengers 2 he said it was fingerprints.

>>81243594

Her sword's magic means it literally cuts anything, and her lasso is unbreakable.

So yes.

But mjolnir is different. It's not a "hammer-of-crushes-anything +5" it's a hammer that hits hard enough to shatter mountains because it has THE GOD OF THUNDER SWINGING IT.

The power was in Thor all along

>>81243687
Lol not movie Thor's hammer

>>81243665
>Marvel strength maxes at 100 tons.
>Aquaman lifts sections of San Diego with sidewalks and skyscrapers

There is no comparison

DC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvel

>>81243684
Vision has the exact same fingerprints as Thor?

>>81243646
Hulk's power levels are fluctuating so much, each cases might not represent his potential. He has demolished cosmic beings too.

>>81240634
>>81243296
>Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

>>81243684
I love Tony and Marvel, but I'm pretty sure that was a joke

>>81243687
Pretty sure that's not how Mjolnir works

>>81243731
Not the mountain crushing part, he's not that strong, but the strength is still all in Thor's beefy hams, not in mjolnir itself.

He just gets cut off from his powers without mjolnir in the first movie because he's a vain, greedy, cruel boy.

>>81243568
Besides Flash, who is literally plot device the character, none of them is soloing the avengers senpai. You have to be the most deluded DCuck who has never touched a marvel comic to believe that. Also Marvel Cosmic isn't even that tough compared to Earth's heroes, unless you count reality warping niggas like Galactus.

Movie Thor's hammer is science not magic. They literally mention this every time we see asgard

>>81243743
Not MCU Hulk

besides cosmic Marvel means they have nifty technology like Odin or Thanos

>>81243646
I'm pretty sure Silver Surfer is at least Kryptonian level. Possibly a few levels stronger than Doomsday as of this movie. And Hulk beat Silver Surfer with a few punches.

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>>81239932
Has anyone in the MCU shown feats of strength like this?

>>81239932
I don't know... I feel like MCU Hulk and Thor are probably not as strong DCU Superman... so probably not... If you are writing a movie the heroes will win through some improbable way though... Can Thor transport Doomsday into sun or space? I don't remember. Thor can always BFR a villain. I can see a scene where Thor opens a portal to space and the avengers blow Doomsday through.

>>81239975
>>81239989
In a decent world comic Thor does beat doomsday but yes, Thor usually jobs until like the third fight or something like that.

>>81240542
Marvel has heroes with feats just as exagerrated-- Thor, Hercules, Hulk. They just don't do that stuff often because that isn't really called for in Marvel comics' storylines. Whereas DC loves to do that kinda stuff. Just different emphasis.

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>there are retards in this thread who still think science vs. magic is an actual thing

Science is a method

Magic is a technology

>>81243737
>Marvel strength maxes at 100 tons
Where did you get that idea? Hulk has lifted up billions of tons before. Thor has moved islands and mountains without any effort. Hyperion held two universes together with his strength. Do you get all your info from wikipedia or something?

>>81243818
I miss vain, greedy, cruel Thor.

He was great up until he went drink with Selvig.

>>81243918
Just link his first flight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

>first jump is over a mountain, less than a few seconds
>breaks sound barrier easily
>can fly across the globe in minutes
>casually brushes off breaking through a mountain

DCCU is on a whole another powerlevel

>>81243944
>Thor
>not doing that kind of stuff

Kirby literally created Thor to be a Superman equivalent, which is why he created the red cape (at least according to the introduction of that one Avengers collection).

And Hulk is HULK.

>>81243987

He's basing it on the "strength classifications" Marvel used to use ("peak human", "10 tons", "75 tons", "100 tons or more", etc). They and DC don't really use them anymore, because those classifications were retarded.

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>>81239932
Sun God (basically superman) was murdered in Cold Blood by Dr. Strange. Any Magic can fuck up Superman hard.

>>81243918
Thor smashing sakovia

>>81243737
100 tons was pretty much always meaningless. 100 ton range means basically incalculable strength.

The lower rankings have some meanings, like 10-80, but even that usually isn't the ton they can lift, just the ranking, but after that all bets are basically off.

Absolutely not. Hulk hasn't gotten angry enough to match the strength of even Superman and Thor's feats are nothing compared to Superman's. They are also too slow.

But when you think about it, if Thor were to be as fast and as strong as DCEU Superman, both Avengers films and the second Thor film would have never happened.

Before BvS arrived we have (we haven't seen the movies of the remaining DCCU, so the other guys are benched for now)
>Superman
>Batman
>Wonder Woman

VS

>C. America
>Iron Man
>Thor
>Hulk
>The Vision
>Falcon
>Scarlet Witch
>War Machine/Iron Patriot/War Hammer/Don Cheadle/Terrence Howard
>Hawkeye
>Ant-Man
>Winter Soldier

There, have at it. Compare those. if I missed someone add em on there. Spidey and Black Panther aren't listed because we haven't seen them in the film yet.

>>81244070
We're clearly talking about the movie universes, bitch nigga. We don't know what Strange's power level will be in the film yet. But it sure as shit is not going to be as strong as the comics.

>>81239932
Didn't Iron Man alone beat the hulk?

>>81243949
Yeah, if you believe the Marvel definition of magic.

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>>81243831
>Green Lantern can effortlessly split any atom
>Also contained an entire supernova in a bubble

Nothing in Marvel short of a cosmic can handle his output. Everything else dies.

Wonderwoman is stronger than any Marvel brick by miles plus has a sword that cuts anything, the same gimmick that makes Canadian midget Wolverine undefeatable in the same universe.

Martian Manhunter might as well be a cosmic or herald if he stepped into Marvel universe.Nothing is on his level.

>>81243866
>Hulk beat Silver Surfer with a few punches
When? Are you talking about planet Hulk, because Surfer was wakened and cut off from the power cosmic and he didn't even lose if I remember correctly. Hulk just broke the disk controlling him and he destroyed all the other disks in the arena and fucked off.

>>81244088
That was destroying the core, which caused the explosion

>>81239932
Pretty sure the Hulk already beat up this guy

>>81244209
Dude i can name half a dozen xmen who can do this

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>>81243818
He is though. He brought the largest mountain from the land of frost giants. That would be a big big mountain with probably extremely dense ice.

He was also carrying it with one hand in the previous panel.

some glaciers can weight 10 million tons, take that for what you will.

>>81244057
Strangely I liked how 60's Thor could do pretty much all the same weird bullshit powers of the week that Superman had. His explanation was always "magic hammer, it can do this too.." seemed to work better for me than "random Kryptonian ability I just never remember to use"

>>81244203

No, any definition of magic that isn't petitionary fits the Marvel definition of magic. Especially thanks to Jack Vance, whose arcane magic is literally just brain science and defined pop culture magic for decades to come.

Petitionary magic, however, is just regular social interaction with something more powerful than you who has the ability to get you assfucked.

>>81244161
MoS Heat vision alone beats literally the entire enemy team.

>>81244283
This was discussion on movie Thor, try to keep up

>>81244161

I can se the fights being divided like

>Batman
vs
>Hawkeye
>Widow
>Falcon
>Cap

>Wonder Woman
vs
>Iron Man
>War Machine
>Winter Soldier
>Ant-Man

>Superman
vs
>Scarlet Witch
>Vision
>Thor
>Hulk

Would this be a gaunlet, or individual 1vs1 fights?

>>81244209
Many marvel characters and DC characters have similar feats. Marvel and DC on average have similar compelling feats and you really can argue all day as to who would beat who in a majority of cases with popular heroes and villains.

Though I believe Thor does beat superman 6-7 out of 10 times.

>>81244209
>Green Lantern can effortlessly split any atom
>"It wouldn't take a lot of energy, just a lot of effort"
>DCucks in charge of reading
Also Iron man, one of the lower tier avengers, has survived a nuclear blast to his face without a scratch. That's not impressive. Martion Manhunter is the biggest jobber ever and gets beaten by a guy with a lighter, and I doubt Wonder Woman's shitty sword stands up to Mjolnir, which destroys planets.

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>>81244349

Not necessarily. We've seen that it can hurt Kryptonians through their armor, melt steel beams, and oneshot humans (what CAN'T though).

Supes' heat vision in MoS is nothing like his comic heat vision.

>>81244385
Not their movie versions though.

>>81240015

>DCEU Superman could solo the Avengers but could not stab Doomsday in the heart and fly away
>or throw the spear into Doomsday's heart
>or quickly switch places with Wonder Woman and have her do the stabbing

>>81244381
I like this set up a lot actually. Superman's would be fun as an all out brawl, I'm thinking Dragon Ball Z Broly levels there.

Batman's matches would be fun too; gadgets a plenty.

WW would just be Tony cracking jokes while everyone else fights, but the only one to give her trouble would be Ant-Man, probably

>>81244268
ok, abomination vs doomsday

>>81244510
>DCEU Superman could solo the Avengers but could not stab Doomsday in the heart and fly away

Nigga could barely fly. What he was doing was the equivalent of Dracula trying to kill Vampire Jesus with a crucifix.

Should have just given the spear to Batman, I'm sure he had a Bat-Harpoon-Launcher tucked into his utility belt somewhere.

>>81244355
>>81244446
movie Thor is weak and a joke on Thor fans.. If I didn't already know Thor I'd not like him from the movie really.

>>81244209
Bruh, that's like half the X-Men right there.

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>>81239932
No, they probably couldn't but overpowered characters doesn't equal to more interesting.
Man of Murder can easily destroy all of the Avengers though

>>81244607
Movie Hulk is weak as well considering the Hulkbuster fight.

>>81244567

Abomination got choked out by a steel chain, which implies his windpipe isn't that great in terms of durability

As long as Tony stops playing his damn dubstep music over the fight.

Fools, all of you. Ant-Man goes subatomic and kills Doomsday by destroying his DNA structure.

Adapt to that, motherfucker.

>>81244385
Movie version anon.

>MoS Superman is early 90's era comic power.
>Thor is more mid tier strong guy with low level lightning powers that are harmless to people in steel armor.

>>81244546
Cap himself would destroy Batman hand to hand.

Iron Man could do the same armor suit/kryptonite weapon bullshit Batman did to almost kill superman in the movie, but do it better.


Wonder Woman is the one the Avengers need to watch out for.

>>81244645
A thrown car actually hurt Abomination. He is a speedbump to Doomsday.

>>81244203

The study of magic is a science, otherwise, magic would not be usable at all. For example, the fact that Zatanna knows she can cast spells by speaking backwards is proof that DC magic is a science.

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I guess the MCU is a bit more grounded than the DCCU, which I have no problem with.
But if they ever did decide to make a Hulk solo movie they definitely would have to break from that and make him an actual global threat instead of only ever destroying a few city blocks over the course of the entire movie like in the incredible hulk.

>>81244607
I wouldn't mind him being so weak, if he was at least in character and acted like badass Thor from the comics. Movie Thor is not only nerfed as fuck, but also is a quip machine and only there for comic relief. Like holy shit
>AoU final battle
>Ultron shows up
>Rather than say his iconic line from Ultron Unlimited he sets up a joke for Captain Quip

>>81244587

Or maybe the demigod trained in melee weaponry and the art of war. Probably wasn't enough time to coordinate though.

>>81244638
Yeah. They made them both much lower tier. The fight itself was dramatically improved from the first movie, but they still weak.

>>81244675
Yeah, I misread. My bad. They made Thor weak. 90s superman would like Grant Morrisons JLA right? Movie superman still a lot, lot weaker, but a lot stronger than Avengers stuff definitely.

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>>81244650
>Tony
>Dubstep

>>81244759
>I guess the MCU is a bit more grounded than the DCCU
>let me just ride this magic rainbow into a city floating in a deepspace nebula

>>81244713
Bat in a weekend built an armored suit that matched a Kryptonian.

Tony with all his resources and dozens of suits still cannot come close to comparing to Thor or Hulk.

No Tony does not want to fight Bruce, it would be more rape followed with a new Bat brand on Tony's face.

>>81244381
It'll come down to Bat vs Cat.
WW wins her gauntlet and is shifted to Supes.

>>81244818
I obviously mean powerlevel wise

>>81240161
You dumb.
Thor is the only cosmic level hero, but the majority are solid planetary level. Black Widow and Hawkeye even edge into that category by saving the world through spy shit.

But no they couldn't take down Doomsday. It takes a team of cosmics to do that.

Annihilators could.

>>81244770
The only thing close to a joke from him in that fight was him setting up Vision to hit Ultron.

Who the hell cares?

>>81244759
Sadly the terrible Ang Lee Hulk was probably the most powerful version seen on screen.

>>81244800
Batharpoon? Maybe batman hooks spear to a grapple gun and the spear is pulled through doomsday? Or maybe the fight ends roughly infront of batjet and batman launches it out of that. The ending of the fight as it was written was contrived enough that those endings are probably narrowly less contrived.

They just had to force another religious analogy in. And my problem isn't with religion, just that it was a tortured scene.

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>>81244770
>but also is a quip machine and only there for comic relief.

You just described the entire MCU anon.

>>81244856
You're seriously saying Batman is better at building armors than Iron Man, the guy whose power is buildijg armors? Batman made a spear out of Kryptonite and nearly killed supes with it. Iron Man could just give Rodey a Kryptonite machine gun and let him go to town.

>>81244884
Thor is op dude

>>81244800

Man she had a sword, she's fine

>>81239932
Cave trolls are weak to arrows, so I'll say Hawkeye.

>>81244887
Thor
>IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO?
Captain Quip
>You had to ask....(Cue laugh track)
Would have been a perfect scene for
>"Ultron, we would have words with thee"

>>81244770
He already use the line on lokki

>>81244943
Hey, it beats poorly edited, depressing, pretentious horseshit.

>>81244945
>Batman is better at building armors than Iron Man, the guy whose power is buildijg armors?

Sad but it's true. In comics and films Batman is the superior armor builder.

>>81244984
Used it in the first movie

>>81241241
Okay sure but that has nothing to do with OP's orc pic

>>81244960
He's only OP compared to the rest of the Avengers in the MCU. He has the Hulk's strength but with way more abilities. If anything, the only reason he's not doing much in the Avengers movies is because of how powerful he is.

>>81245036
Based on what

>>81244546

If the fights are 1vs1 with time of prepare, this Batman showed he has the resources for everything and is not afraid to use a gun I would give him the fight. In a blind gauntlet he lose against Cap every time.

For Wondy, aside from the fact that she was punched right in the face by Doomsday and just stood up to go and get more, we don't know what else she can resist. Is hard to tell how IM/War Machine's weapons would affect if at all. Hard to tell.

A lot of people are considering Wanda kicking Supe's ass, but we don't know shit about her powers and we are just assuming is Chaos Magic like in the comics, even then, nothing we have seen have extended her powers to much more than 'magic punches'. I don't think she would be the real threat.
Same with Thor, in the MCU he is nerfed as fuck. He would get a few good hammering here and there, but I can't see him beating Superman.
Hulk is nerfed as well, but would be a bigger threat that Thor by far. However Clark could do the same that he did with Doomsday and take him to space, I don't think the Hulk would be able to come down from being stranded in space.

Now Vision, how the fuck do you beat Vision? As long as he can phase (and I still don't know the ""science"" behind that) Superman would lose. Maybe they would just sit down and talk about what Humanity means for them.

>>81244856
Anon please, Batman makes some pimp as fuck suits, but he's got nothing on Iron Man.

>>81245065
Dude his lightning could nuke the fuck out of doomsday

>>81245003
I can't even remember. Must have been a shitty throwaway line with no emotion in a boring scene.

>>81244984
That line I think only works if Thor came out of nowhere to save the day. Thor was there the entire time and by the time that scene you described happened, he was surrounded by his fellow Avengers and a bunch of Ultron drones. You complain about Thor for this line yet you should be complaining about Cap.

>>81245075
>Comic made armor that matches Darkseid

>Film made armor that matches Kryptonian

Tony never could do well against Thor or Hulk even when he tried really hard. Plus the fact that Bruce made his armor in the shortest time imaginable and it was ready to take on Superman says a lot. Tony has to be on Mark 60 something by now. Still cannot handle Loki.

>>81245161
He can handle Loki just fine. Two repulsor blasts knocked him flat on his ass.

>>81245098
Its simple

Wonderwoman tanked Doomsday laser face, men in iron suits are nothing

Superman is faster than any of those characters. What's vision going to do? Stay in his phase mode for eternity waiting for supes to die of old age?

>>81245098
>As long as he can phase (and I still don't know the ""science"" behind that)

Something something made out of special metal that can control molecular vibrations to the point of getting super dense or super light.

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>>81245161
>Comic made armor that matches Darkseid

Which, you forget, was made by Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman with the forge of Hephaestus, and Cyborg.

And I guess Aquaman helped by blowing bubbles on it. And the Flash... ran through it once?

Anyway Batman didn't make that armor. It was FORGED BY SUPERMAN.

>>81239932
Yes, but not on the first try.
They would get beat up, fall back, make a plan and then defeat him.

>>81245161
What? Loki got bitch slapped by Tony.
That, and you're seriously underestimating the Hulk, dude is insane.

>>81245239
Didn't Iron Man forge a Destroyer-like armor with the help of Odin?

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Okay but what about Superman in the armor of Thor?

>>81245036
>Batfags

>>81245279
Yea, during the Fear Itself event, right?
I never read it, so I don't know how strong it actually was, but I do remember seeing a few pages of Tony actually hammering out the magic armor.

>>81245210
>Wonderwoman tanked Doomsday laser face

She didn't, her bracelets did. As good as he is, Tony and Rhodney would be able to throw everything they can at her and she wouldn't be able to stop it all with two arms.
Vision can do what the Flash does whenever this threads come out. Phase out someone's brain. Superman would need to know he can do that beforehand to be able to avoid it, otherwise as he goes for Vision, the android can take out his organs.

>>81245231
Can MOS Superman see atoms? Maybe he could figure out how it works/when it works and know when and where to hit.

>>81242005
Barry said she was the key.

Barry didn't say she was the key to doing things right.

>>81245377
He was on par with a Mjolnir-wielding Cap so that's probably how strong he was.

>>81244209
Look at Guy all proud like a big brother.

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>>81245331
What about Thor is the destroyer armor?

>>81245512
The fucking thing was made to combat the Celestials. That's pretty unfair.

>>81245384
You are out of your mind if think Wonderwoman would have a problem with Stark or Rhodney. Not only was she speeding around keeping up with doomsday, she was taking hits from something that was pulusing out massive electric shockwaves nad leveling everything around him. She could tear apart their armor like nothing with her magic sword
>Vision can do what the Flash does whenever this threads come out
Again he is slow. Superman would blitz everyone on the team. You also say phase in and out like him phasing into Kryptonian innards would be possible or a good idea.

>>81245561
to be fair, it was very inneffective.

the King of Celestials made fucking mincemeat out of Odin in it, even after Odin spent 5k years preparing for the fight.

>>81245384
>Vision can do what the Flash does
we haven't seen movie vision do anything really

>>81245592
Vision can phase through anything, even Adamantium.

>>81245622
Still; more powerful that whatever that armor of Thor can do. Odin can already destroy galaxies with his powers alone.

>>81245665
We are talking about Movie vision right?

>>81245696
well yes, he can, but Celestials are just that much stronger, is what I meant.

i'd like to see Superman fight THOSE, he'd get fucking blown out.

>>81245561
I don't understand why Thor just doesn't put it on everytime serious shit goes down. I mean even Galactus ran away from it. Shit's no joke.

>>81245732
why would it matter? his phasing isn't blocked by matter, of any density, I don't see why Superman is special here.

movie Vision is MADE out of fucking Vibranium, he's already hyper dense himself.

>>81245738
The Celestials are the Guardians of the Universe on crack. Superman can't even get near those motherfuckers.

>>81245592
>Superman would blitz everyone on the team.

If Batman can build an armor that lets him beat Superman, so can Iron Man.

>>81239932
>Could the Avengers stop him?
I guess ratings wise, yes.

>>81245739
it drains the energy and life of the user, its made for Ragnarok/the show down with Celestials... which if comes to pass is like the final fucking battle, even more so than Raganrok.

>>81245161
>>Film made armor that matches Kryptonian

Means nothing especially since he had to douse Supe with gas

Mean while Movie tony made armor that successfully subdued the hulk

as far as Comics go.

Tony made a device that successfully hurt and could contain the phoenix as well as armor that could beat Magneto

>>81245793
Lol. Movie vision was taking hits from Ultron and reeling back. Vibranium means jack shit when everyone and their mother seems ignore it.

>>81245821
>If Batman can build an armor that lets him beat a Superman who's so against hurting him that he doesn't even use heat vision on him, then so can Iron Man

>>81240231
He was 900 times faster than quicksilver in mos.

>>81245821
Watch the movie before jumping into the discussion

>>81245868
Tony's device utterly failed to do shit to the phoenix other than to cause it to find 5 hosts.

>>81245622
To be fair to Odin, wasn't he fighting like 8 celestials at the same time? I'm sure the armor would have been a bit more effective if he was fighting versus just one.

>>81245944
not really, he did absolutely nothing to them.

he stabbed one with the Odin Sword, quite possibly one of the strongest weapons IN THE UNIVERSE, and it simply looked at it, and phased it out of existence.

then it proceeded to kill Odin.

>hurr Batman is smarter than Iron Man

Stark literally designs the shit Batman orders from other countries. Bruce Wayne is not an engineer, he's a businessman. Everything he knows about his gadgets has been from trial and error.

It's like comparing a paramedic to a surgeon.

>>81242134
Explain.

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>>81239932
Maize...

UHHH

>>81245927
Wrong his device worked, but Noh var fucked it up.

The second thing Tony did is what cause this p5.

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>>81246011
That was thor yo

>>81243023
All of them are slower that mach 1 quicksilver. Superman fought zod at 300 the speed of sound, he crossed the planet at 900 times the speed of sound. They are not comparable

>>81240015
Vision, thor, scarlet witch, and hulk all could beat supes solo.

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>>81246153
but still

>>81246153
I like how Thor completely shattered his hammer trying to destroy Exitar from the inside.

>>81246200
no
maybe
maybe
yes

>>81243099
Batman can't do that and yet he won the fight.

>>81241306
He didn't have one

>>81241179
hes beaten thor and hulk
captain marvel jobs
blue marvel isnt relevent
maybe dr strange
vision jobs
full nova force nova might win
storm gets wrecked
black bolt get wrecked
pymtron is no braniac

Someone explain doomsday to a guy that never read the death of superman because he thought it looked stupid.


I understand that he's an engineered being adapted under extremely harsh conditions.


But what is the source of his power.


Like, where does that energy come from? Superman has the sun. Green lantern has a ring. Wonder woman borrows power from gods.


Tell me there's an explanation to doomsday besides photosynthesis or eating a lot.

>>81246316
>black bolt get wrecked

¿¿¿¿¿¿¿

>>81246316
The dc crossovers also say wolverine can beat lobo and aquaman can beat namor

Marvel fans say that powerlevels are shit and complain that DC fags do it. Marvel fans also complain that superman is to strong thus boring.

Then a thread is created breaking down all the hypocrisy, I thought marvel was supposed to be more grounded, and DC was more fantastical.
Hulk and Thor are quite strong, but their strength feats in the past 10 years do not match superman's in the past 10 years. And they sure as hell cannot survive a planet exploding supernova like Supes did about 6 years ago.

Moviewise everyone is nerfed, but MCU Hulk and Thor more than Superman.

>>81246254
Batman had Kryptonite and Superman didn't want to kill

>>81246316
>Not canon, both have a high chance of winning
>No need to job, would still lose
>That doesn't have anything to do with his power
>Yeah maybe
>No need to job, would still lose
>yup
>yup
>nope, Black Bolt has a decent chance due to his sheer energy output
>no idea about pymtron

>>81246415
Why would these conditions magically not apply to Iron Man

>>81239932
I'd be tempted to say movie Hulk versus movie Doomsday would be cool af.

But Iron Downey Jr managed to slapsquick movie Hulk unconscious in Age of Shit just by using bigger armor, completely invalidating Hulk's main powerset of 'strongest there is.'

So yeah, the Avengers would helpless without Kryptonite, or else some serious plot device shenanigans of another nature.

>>81246541
>So yeah, the Avengers would helpless without Kryptonite, or else some serious plot device shenanigans of another nature.

>>81244671

Not many avengers could but it's not like he really killed superman.
Just once I would like to see a writer/directer let superman go a bit crazey like they let batman do in this movie.

>>81246541
I disagree.

>>81246319
he's the hulk with a very stupid backstory because he's just there to kill superman then die

>>81246412
Saying that thor beats superman isn't saying that thor is more powerful than superman. It's saying that Thor's strengths hit superman's weaknesses.

Supes cannot into magic. its a Well established weakness, one which strange, wanda, and thor exploit. He also has trouble with enemies that have more subtle, indirect powers, like vision.


So yes, those heroes beat superman, despite those heroes being less OP than superman.

>>81243918
Kek the lack of deep footprints is funny to me.
Guess they could say he isn't putting much effort into it, so his feet wouldn't sink, but I don't know if that is how gravity works.

>>81246412
>Marvel fans also complain that superman is to strong thus boring.

A majority of DC fans say this as well.

People who don't even read comics say this

>>81240371

Not nerfed enough to lose to the Avengers. Doomsday was tanking Superman punches. MoS Superman could probably take the whole Avengers team based on what has been shown, with the exception of maybe the Vision.

>>81246657
Superman's vulnerability to magic is wonky at best. Sometimes it works like Kryptonite, other times it just makes him obey the laws of magic like anyone else. So in the case of thor, his lightning would effect him as if he was hit by lightning, which superman is durable against still. Now if thor had magic that could turn superman into a pig, than he would stand a chance.

>>81246683
Yeah which is weird, because when you bring up superman vs fights, everyone argues saying he would lose. Yet if he is so powerful he is boring that makes no sense and nullifies the argument since someone stronger exists.

>>81240946
So Doomsday could wield it?

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>>81240646
Spider-Man hard counters him.
Next

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>>81240946
Hurr Durr, Superman already proved he could lift it.

>>81246893
Hulk can probably do the same thing and he's not worthy.

>>81240254
>Doctor strange couldn't beat doomsday

>>81246785
>Yeah which is weird, because when you bring up superman vs fights, everyone argues saying he would lose. Yet if he is so powerful he is boring that makes no sense and nullifies the argument since someone stronger exists.

It's not inconsistent at all when you factor in Kryptonite.

>>81242831

Also didn't Supes fly to the other side of the planet in a few minutes to destroy the world engine?

>>81246930
didn't say he was worthy just that he could stop the hammer.
There is another comic where he fails to pick up the hammer because Odin was mad Superman cucked thor and the enchantment no longer worked for Superman.

>>81246893
That's not lifting it. That's just blocking it.

He could only actually wield it after Odin gave him permission.

>>81246657
>Supes cannot into magic. its a Well established weakness, one which strange, wanda, and thor exploit. He also has trouble with enemies that have more subtle, indirect powers, like vision.

1. Superman isnt weak to magic, he is as vulnerable to magic as HULK or Martian Manhunter.

2. JLAvengers already gave us the answer

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>>81244750
What asinine definition of science are you using? Because that isn't true at all. Simply executing magic isn't science, you moron. Discovering how that magic works, how you're able to conjure it, figuring out WHY these spells work, that's science.

>>81239932
Superman was lucky to stop him...... why would anyone think the avenger could...... or yeah, stop him yes they could, defeat him i dont think so

>>81243737
Jeez don't you know Hercules lifted Manhattan, a true fact, don't listen to Thor's lies.

>>81246968
In the fight threads they rarely bring up kryptonite unless it is batman vs superman. Most ppl say MM could be supes no problem, yet no one complains MM is over powered. Of course most people don't understand MM powerset and that he manipulates his polymers to temporarily grant him incredible strength, shape shifting powers and durability. This requires focus and the more powerful he makes himself the shorter he can maintain it. Though his mental powers are a problem for supes, without them MM doesn't stand a chance, with them MM wins. Off topic I know but I don't get to argue comic shit too often.

>>81246785
If thor can't turn superman into a pig he's only one trip back to asgard away from finding someone who can.


Scarlet witch alters reality itself using magic. She could definitely turn him into a pig.

She's practically myzpxlylx, who regularly shows superman whose boss.


She's as OP as Molecule man. Cosmic cube level shit. And it's MAGIC. Superman loses.

>>81247162
>Discovering how that magic works, how you're able to conjure it, figuring out WHY these spells work, that's science.

That's what I'm trying to say - the fact that Zatanna knows that speaking backwards has a connection to her spells, understands that connection, and can take advantage of it and consistently reproduce the results of her spells is what makes it a science.

If magic were not a form of science, then no one would be able to make use of it, since it couldn't really be studied in-depth and its results could not be reliably reproduced.

>>81245113

You kidding me? This is the lightning that could not destroy Iron Man armour going up against a creature that survived a nuke and can adapt to attacks on the fly?

>>81247231
I should rephrase, the magic user still has to be God levels strong to effect Superman. A street magician shouldn't be able to use a transformation spell against him. Heck several times literal Gods are the only ones that have magic that can straight up kill superman, that and Zantanna for some reason. Shazam, Zeus magic, Wonderwoman God forged weapons, ect.

>>81247215
>yet no one complains MM is over powered.

MM loses to a box of matches.

>>81247231
And I'm fucking glad she's was heavily nerfed for her movie version. Fucking Bendis.

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>>81242984
>Not eve one inclusion of pym particles
what're you scared

>>81247231
But she isnt in this universe.

>>81247331
Not anymore, now it has to be some weird flames of passion or some shit. Or maybe he is now just afraid of fire, I can't keep his weakness straight anymore they keep changing it.

>>81241032
Gotham is across the bay jackass

>>81247231
Scarlet is a a pleb tier reality warper. Mxy is beyond living tribunal tier.

>the same threads here are also on /tv/

Fuck's up with the cross shitposting?

>>81247377
Point is he falls into the same category of Superman where he can be "overpowered and boring" but still lose to anyone

>>81247320
There are stories where Scarlet Witch alters entire timelines.

She doesn't have to kill superman, she just has to erase him out of reality.

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>>81246893
That's just proving what everyone in here is saying. DC strength calcs are higher than Marvel's by miles.

>>81240005
>Leatherback kaiju energy pulse thing

Please tell me that's not the explosion energy wave thingy from the trailer

>>81247354
Anyone wearing a shoe can kill Pym. Not worth adding to the vs

>>81244446
>>81244675
>List thing DC characters can do in the comics
>Well Marvel characters can do the same
>MOVIE CHARACTERS ANON
You guys are retarded

>>81247488
>"no more Marthas"
>Batman kills Superman

>>81247566
Is superman immune to pym particles, and does his absorbtion of yellow sun radiation scale with the surface area of his skin?

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Daily reminder Superman would lose to any touhou

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>>81247681
Even Cirno, lmao!

>>81247511
Perfect, that was what I am trying to convey. Superman wins easily, especially movie versions vs movie versions.

>>81247483
Fair enough, I guess with Supes it is almost a game of rock paper scissors. Supes when handling shit he is not vulnerable against is prob the most powerful hero.

>>81247488
MCU magic and DCU magic are not comparable. Scarlet Witch powers are weird enough, sometimes her mutant power amplifies them, sometimes they are separate. While her powers may have effected everyone in the MCU, superman doesn't play by the same rules as he is from the DCU, reality warping magic would probably fail to erase him, but could alter his timeline. But Magic is one of those weird areas where it is hard to say what happens.

Howard the duck v superman. Who wins?

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>>81244856
>Bat in a weekend built an armored suit that matched a Kryptonian.
His suit couldn't do shit without kryptonite.

>>81247615
>>81247615
His Bioaura has protected him from reality warpers and fucking Captan atom, the quantum elemental.

>>81247488
Reality in Marvel is made of paper. That stuff doesnt fly on DC. There's people that stops that from happening (well, at leat Johns is involved, but he is a hack).

>>81247706
>Supes when handling shit he is not vulnerable against is prob the most powerful hero.

No

>>81247778
Who is more powerful than superman baring weaknesses? I am talking hero so no Cosmic Gods.

>>81247701
Marvel has a LOT of magic users who could fuck up superman.

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>>81240646
Done

>>81247764
And Kryptonite from x universe only works on the kryptonians of the same universe


The Avengers can't have kryptonite since there's no krypton in the MCU universe. And their "magic" is a joke.

>>81247764
That fight felt so lethargic for some reason. They were moving slower than Cap was when he fought Bucky, not counting when the Kryptonite gas wore off.

>>81247807
The Flash
Plastic Man
Goku just kidding about that last one lol

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>>81247681
not posting the next page where the Witch is all powerful in her world, so everyone must follow the rules even superman. I am sure you didn't mean to be misleading and haven't read the issue but cmon do some research first.

>>81247777
So you're saying that superman wins because... what? We don't like Molecule man, infinity gauntlets, or cosmic cubes in DC land?

>>81247807
Captain Atom if we are talking of average superheroes, Elemental firestorm.

>>81247889
>the Witch is all powerful in her world, so everyone must follow the rules even superman


sounds like if superman fought marvel magic users in their own universe, he'd get his shit wrecked.

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>>81247889
He can't graze so anyway so who cares, still a loose, and I fail to see how that wouldn't work with touhou where when they fight they need to follow a set ruleset when dueling or else they're allowed to just melt him with pure magic.

This thread is like a laundry list of reasons why Superman had no reason to die in BvS.

>>81247777
>Reality in Marvel is made of paper. That stuff doesnt fly on DC.

Strange of you to say considering DC reality gets rebooted every few decades and Marvel never does

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>>81247566
>Anyone wearing a shoe can kill Pym.

>>81247921
Captain Atom isn't more powerful just more versatile. Captain atom versus Darkseid, Atom loses, superman wins. Though if Captain atom had full control of his powers than yes. Same with Firestorm. Talking powerful, not utility. Superman can defeat larger threats than them, but they can do more.

>>81247931
If said marvel users was from a dimension of their own creation such as Mephisto, and fought superman there.

>>81247814
>>>81247701
>Marvel has a LOT of advanced tech users who could never fuck up superman.

>>81247997
DC had like what two complete multiversal reboots? Marvel only made one so far.

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>>81247807
It fucking pisses me off everybody forgets Captain Marvel is just as strong as Superman

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>>81247889
>There's people in this day and age who still bet against touhou
I didn't make these rules I just live it

>>81247892
In the first place we aare talking of the MCU and DCEU.
In the second the DC universe has the Lords of Chaos and Order, the quintessence, Lords of time, the archivists, the monitors, the new genesis, the Silver city, and a bunch of shit that makes what you propose just imposibble. And second: the infinity guanlet is useless outside his universe and againts forces from other universe.
A cosmic cube is not powerful enought to affect superman

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>>81248029
AHAHA Fuck you

>>81248060
Why did you mention Carol and post a pic of Shazam?

>>81248026
>Captain Atom isn't more powerful just more versatile. Captain atom versus Darkseid, Atom loses, superman wins. Though if Captain atom had full control of his powers than yes. Same with Firestorm. Talking powerful, not utility. Superman can defeat larger threats than them, but they can do more.

You need to read the Captain Atom series m8, when elementals were a thing Cap could create universes

>>81247870
>The Avengers can't have kryptonite since there's no krypton in the MCU universe. And their "magic" is a joke.
Their magic is technology, it does not work any better on Superman than a regular old gun would. Since guns look like magic to more primitive people.

>>81248060
Baring weaknesses son. Magic be a weakness apparently. If his powers were not magic derived he would be in the same class as superman, but his feats are not as great, aside from beating or tying with superman who is naturally weak to Shazam.

>>81247997

DC reality (continuity) is like individual clippings connected by string on a lunatics wall. Marvel reality is like a big ball of playdough that gets reshaped whenever it suits

>>81248113
>Their magic is technology, it does not work any better on Superman than a regular old gun would

lmao yeah, and Zatanna is using nanomachines

>>81247997
That's not reality warping, that's merging of UNIVERSES, not changing timelines.

>>81248135
It's like someone forgot Clarke's Third Law and misinterpreted what Feige said about Strange.

>>81248081
Marvel has Eternity, Death, Oblivion, The Vishanti, Lords of Secrets, the Hell Lords, the Abstracts and the Dark Dimension.

what's your point?

>>81248135
No Zatanna uses magic because in DC magic is magic.

In Marvel magic is technology that stupid people think is sorcery.