JSA Storytime: R.E.B.E.L.S. v2

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>>81171665
Tonight's twitter amusement comes from Nick Spencer, who has a long thread arguing about how DC's current practices are horrible and Marvel's are amazing (scroll up and down):

https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/714215659635286017

Highlights include:

>no, sorry, only 1 company. Other is using double ships to subsidize experimentation

>This is chasing the quickest buck.

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>>81171739
In lighter Spencer amusement, he also says

https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/713242297622593536

>If you love a character, that is because of the character's creators, solely. 'The character' is not a real, independent thing that exists.

which proves he has spent 0 time in fandom whatsoever

>>81171739
>>This is chasing the quickest buck.
Yeah... Marvel sure doesn't do anything like that...

>>81171739
>>81171780
What a lackey. Remind me to never buy anything from him.

>>81171780
>ideas aren't real

So he doesn't jerk off to sigils is what he's saying?

Spencer bringing up "Countdown is 52 done right" was great.

hi thread, /co/ seems extra horrible today so shelter is nice

bump for Strata best waifu

>>81171739
That's a shame, I thought Spencer would speak on more solid ground than that. I still like a bunch of his comics.

>>81171839
Man I know this is a Morrison ref but /co/ is super lewd tonight.

>>81171785
Yeah they at least double ship Deadpool every other month, at the normal $4 price too while having 60+ other books.

>>81171780
>'The character' is not a real, independent thing that exists.
I've never read anything from this guy but what a shit writer he must be. Like, I'm not saying go full on whacko and start thinking these fictional characters are real or anything but isn't writer's job to make them as believable and engaging as possible, almost as if they were real?

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>>81171886
Yeah, company wars are bullshit and he clearly had a horrible DC experience he's still bitter about, but going THEY double-ship for a quick buck, WE double-ship to subsidize niche books is kind of...blind? Ignoring the $4.99 #1 gouge and the variants stuff.

>>81171942
There was also the whole "relaunch 70 books with an extra dollar on the #1 and everything has five incentive variants minimum"

I mean, if that's not fucking over LCSes to make a quick buck I really don't know what is

>>81171665
Hello Storyteller.

Time for more assholery in space then.

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>>81171946
I can only guess, though, that he's never run into a fandom that's made a living breathing shared concept of a character that bears little to no resemblance to the source material/even a textual archaeologist can't figure out how you got from here to there. Having been in fandom of some sort for HMM HMMM long, I've seen it over and over again.

We can't cut out the direct market fast enough tbhfam,

>>81171780

he's right though? comics aren't documents of real events. He's totally talking about how fans bitch at creators right

>>81171739

this one is both sides are kinda wrong. and hard numbers DC is and has been doing worse. they didn't reboot everything because Tony Daniel and Grant Morrison had genius comics ideas that needed a blank slate.

and Marvel has some evidence they're double shipping Spider-Man to help maintain Squirrel Girl (or whatever) while DC's most experimental book is like Blue Beetle?

>>81171993
Wasn't there a pic explaining how the hip hop variants worked? Or some other recent variant.
I remember it being incredibly convoluted and felt bad for retailers for having to deal with that

Like they had to buy 25+ issues of one book to get a variant of another book, and it was like that for just about every book or something.

>>81172028
You already had your experimental DC books, they didn't sell, stop bitching about it.

>>81171739
Reminder me that slott was tweeting positive about dc rebirth.

>>81171961
>WE double-ship to subsidize niche books
oh bullshit, double shipping Deadpool and whatever the hell else isn't keeping Moon Girl or Hercules alive longer, it's just pocket lining

that's like saying DC is putting out three Harley Quinn books to keep Omega Men and Midnighter alive, theoretically you can SAY that's what they're doing but obviously fucking not or they wouldn't be cancelling a bunch of things at <8 issues already

it sounds like he's just being a fucking baby because he had a bad experience with DC, this "b-but Marvel is innocent!" is blind as hell

>>81172028
Well, Veritgo is their entire line of semi-experimental comics that mainline subsidizes until trades come out.

Marvel doesn't do MAX anymore, no? They literally don't have any other imprints right now.

>>81171739
>no, sorry, only 1 company. Other is using double ships to subsidize experimentation
Oh lol. The only double shipping that is "experimentation" right now is Rucka's proposed WW, which will use it to tell two complimentary stories apart in time.

>>81172028

i'm trying to say marvel is gaming a broke system while dc is letting it beat them

>>81172028
Depends on how you look at it. Could easily argue that DC already did their good will weird projects and now they're having to double ship to make up for that.

And there's still Gotham Academy, Prez v2, and probably some other low sellers coming.

>>81171961
Yeah it's really absurd. DC pushed unpopular books down the line with underperforming sales a lot longer than Marvel has. What is the average Marvel run now? Six or seven issues?

>>81172062
yeah there was a picture illustrating the draconian variant ordering voodoo LCSes had to go through for ANAD but I don't have it on hand

it had a bunch of shit like "match your ANAD X #1 orders to 150% of X #5 orders for an alan moore sketch variant!" except it was different standards for every single book

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>>81172028
He's talking about how fans bitch at creators but he seems to think that fandom is a direct derivative of the source material that he and others write, which is not strictly the case. There could never be another comic with Jason Todd in it, and Jason Todd fandom would go on on its own merry way.

>>81171665
I miss this book so fucking much, OP. REBELS 2.0 was GOAT, and it's a fucking shame it will never come back

>>81172100
>probably some other low sellers coming.

>Shazam
>Legion
>New Gods
>probably some other stuff to be announced at the next con like Vertigo books pls dc

If Johns isn't on Shazam or Legion I'll kill myself

>>81171834
>tfw just bought Superior Foes Omni

Oh well, I'll convince myself all the proceeds went to Lieber.

>>81172122
Jamie a new character lasted for 36 issues.

>>81172028
DC You and Vertigo.

>>81172141
OK, bye.

>>81172089
I think Palmiotti and Bendis have done Icon books lately? but yeah

>>81172089

true and if those rumors are true about it going back to weird d list stuff even more so

>>81172100

yeah, man i wish DC you didn't get fucked

>>81172131

ok. fandom's such a thing

>>81172090
>The only double shipping that is "experimentation" right now is Rucka's proposed WW, which will use it to tell two complimentary stories apart in time.
Speaking of, haven't seen any speculation on what those two stories are actually going to be about.

Maybe something about mentor Ares in the past with a Veronica Cale plot in the present? And yes, it's probably gonna involve Veronica Cale because, come on, she's Rucka's OC for fucks sake.

>>81172131
the whole Batfamily fandom is counter to his point

like... I'm pretty sure Fanon Tim Drake has never existed in any form in comics, he's a weird amalgamation of comics and other source material and widespread fandom ideas

>>81172141
I really enjoyed what recent DC with Grayson. It build up a new setting around the character while tapping and laying lots of groundwork. It felt like a good Wildstorm comic in some ways.

I would really like to see Shazam get the same treatment under Rebirth.

Speaking of books that don't sell, do we know how long Dr Fate is supposed to last? Apparently it's coming out in June still.

>>81172161
Jesus, Geoff.

>>81172200
well he said one of them is basically Wonder Woman Year One

I hope he brings Cale back, she was great

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>>81172131
I can't find it now, but I did see a tweet mocking Spencer for his "Rebirth is sheer retrenching" comments while he's the guy bringing back Steve as Cap.

I am not quite into buzzcut Vril.

The question is, what is Fabok drawing? Because it's probably whatever Johns is writing, yes?

>>81172200
Year One makes me think they're taking a shot at the illusive definite Wonder Woman story, which is so dependent on fan consensus it may never happen and which is all quite a few writers seem to be trying to do for her recently.

>>81172200
>Wonder Woman comes in June, twice monthly.
>Rucka writing, Liam Sharp and Nicola Scott on art.
>Wonder Woman has a new costume similar to her Dawn of Justice outfit, but more colorful.
>Rucka says there are two stories in the bi-monthly.
>Odd-numbered issues drawn by Liam, shows Diana in the modern DCU: "Wonder Woman: The Lies".
>Even-numbered issues are "Wonder Woman Year One" by Nicola Scott
>It's a project Rucka and Scott have been planning for over a decade.

>No, I’m not going to tell you what the lies are, because then there’d hardly be a point in you reading the book. Suffice it to say, for now, that Diana discovers that some of the facts she’s taken as truth are…brittle under closer examination. She sets off to separate the lies from the truth.

No doubt The Lies and Year One are going to be Rucka retconning Azz stuff left and right

>>81172249
Yeah, that JLA book probably. Although I expect when the book is fully revealed they'll be swapping that L for an S

>>81171780
Very on-board for this carbon/silicate/insectoid approach to racism in the sci-fi future.

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>>81172232
There is a long-standing rumor that Levitz Gets A Book, sooo...

>>81172265
I'd be very, very content to see the Rapazons gone, ngl.

>>81172150
Manhunter last a while too.

>>81172319
And Hex.

>>81172265
I hope he brings the clay origin back

>>81172295
You can get rid of it by ignoring it. You can't get rid of all the dead Gargaryens unless you say all them dudes still alive or it never happened.

To be fair the New 52 was more experimental and in some ways (beyond sales) that really paid off.

>>81172346
just say Hephaestus kept some dudes hidden so there's still a few Gargareans left

>>81172344
With the film coming up?
Unless Rucka was talking to Jenkins and Johns I doubt it

>>81172249

Doesn't really work with Sam still around and with a Cap book?

>>81171961
The subtle distortion of the body as a threat is a really nice touch and is giving me a whole different take on Durlans, who I always found kinda goofy.

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>>81172176
I love/hate/fear fandom, but I have some idea of how it works, and I think any creator who's going to be active on social media should get a good idea, too.

>>81172353
I'm glad we got Dial H out of it, at least.

>>81172381
I know it probably won't happen, I just wish it would

>>81172249
Johns, Fabok, and Reis are probably on the same thing whatever it is

>pls be Legion

>>81172131
It's interesting because you can read a lot of Spencer and Lieber's takes on characters as put together in a very fandom-type way.

>>81172265
Oh, the Amazons being evil cunts is assuredly gone, and good riddance. That was stupid and frankly disgusting.

Judging from his previous run though, I get the feeling Rucka will keep mentor Ares. I can only hope the God of Trolling will be added in to that.

>>81172240
>I hope he brings Cale back, she was great
She really was. She's like a female Lex Luthor, only she actually kinda has a legitimate point.

>>81171739
This little liberal faggot has balls to criticize DC's practices when Marvel is stealth cancelling the titles that won't sell.

>>81172414
Reis is on Aquaman.

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>>81172386
Let's be honest, which book do you think is going to last longer/have higher sales, considering that SamCap is already at 27k

>>81172398
I like the idea of using Vertigo to do kind of alt/niche DCU projects again.

>>81172439
Veronica Cale is pure Dallas Alpha Bitch and I love her for it

>>81172346
They didn't kill them, they were just sent to the shadow realm

>>81172249
>I am not quite into buzzcut Vril.
Vril is x1000 the sexiest Braniac, no contest.

>>81172458
Brad Walker is. Unless I completely misread the announcements yesterday.

>>81172398
Dial H is basically what I'm talking about, that was an incredibly good comic. Any company should be proud to have Dial H on their roster.

>>81171739
I think he's kind of making a false argument that implies stuff like Wonder Woman or Batman doesn't bring in new fans, only new legacy characters (which DC IS introducing, look at Super Sons, New Super-man and Superwoman) diversity characters and C-listers (which again DC is still doing, there's Blue Beetle and GLs among others)

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>>81172459
So I brought up both tweets because they're both things I'm kind of interested in talking about in an even-handed way, as best I can.

>>81171839
Kek

>>81172496
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/27/dcrebirth-super-sons-by-dennis-culver-jorge-jimenez-and-chris-who/

>>81172458
I'm only seeing

Dan Abnett
Brad Walker, Jesus Merino, Phil Briones

>>81172459
SamCap does badly because nobody who asked for it actually ever wanted to buy it. They just liked the notion.

Though, I don't remember Cap selling terribly well since like, the Winter Soldier era.

>>81172499
I totally agree with this, but there's a whole 'roll over and die DC' subtext to it. There isn't actually anything wrong with a company trying to make a quick buck if it's on the losing end of the market. I don't see how DC's double-shipping is to the detriment of fans, but I admit cost of comic books is not really a problem for me.

>>81172459
>I like the idea of using Vertigo to do kind of alt/niche DCU projects again.

Yeah back to getting good creators just doing weird things with D and C list characters.

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>>81172499
Yeah, I always see this weird idea that new fans don't get into old characters, only the newest and/or most diverse iteration thereof.

God the entire Blue Beetles situation is so confusing. I hope that preview magazine comes out soon so it can get cleared up how old Ted is, which Ted it is etc.

You think Giffen will just have Michael and Ted be friends immediately in Blue Beetles(I'm calling it that until its confirmed Teds not in the field) or will Ted and Michael meet again for the first time?

Or what if the JL3K Booster and Ted got sent to Earth 0 and that's why they've not been showing up? Blue Beetles is a sorta continuation of that. Explains why Giffen dropped them so hard in JL3K

>>81172545
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>>81172501
Well this is prob an awkward question to pitch when you have images to post but what do you see as the attributes of a 'fandom' character vs. the original character?

I mean you could write (and I'm sure people have written) papers on this shit.

>>81172587
Its all marketing jibberjabber. Old Busted vs New Hotness.

>>81172564
Yeah these tweets stuck out to me

>The reductionism of Rebirth is still what worries me the most. So many great characters sidelined in favor of shipping more of what's safest
>At least when the New 52 hit there were a lot of characters/concepts getting the spotlight, stuff we hadn't seen before/in a while

DC TRIED getting more weird stuff and unusual characters out in the open and THEY DIDN'T SELL! Why is it such a crime to play it safe when being experimental didn't pay off at all?

>>81172587
Yeah, people like older preexisting characters and they will continue to do so, I don't understand the idea that only people who have been reading comics for decades already like man-Thor or Batman and those characters will never get new fans

>>81172459
>I like the idea of using Vertigo to do kind of alt/niche DCU projects again.
Even something like Orlando on a Authority/Stormwatch book from Vertigo would probably sell better than Orlando writing what most would think of as a pseudo-Image book.
Lucifer is one of the worst of the new Vertigo books but it's already established and has a show so it's selling better than the rest of the new books.

>>81172459
>Veronica Cale is pure Dallas Alpha Bitch and I love her for it
Same. I always thought she'd become a new Doctor Poison, given the whole pharmaceutical company thing.

Speaking of rogues, that's another thing I'm hoping for from Rucka Round 2, is some damn Wonder Rogues, since he's one of the few writer who actually fucking USES them.

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>>81172617
I mean that fandom often comes with characterizations for people that don't really have any root in the source material. Lemon Chicken Rodney. Feminist Jason Todd. And then other people read the fic but not the original material, and start adding on and it becomes a self-sustaining organism.

>>81172077
Links family. I can't bear to look at Slott's Twitter.

>>81172564
DC Comics isn't on the losing end of the market.

They are, in fact, very profitable.

I think sometimes /co/ needs to be reminded that this isn't a two-publisher game, so being #2 doesn't mean being in last place.

>>81172499
Don't forget they have the Hanna Barbera line now that nobody is paying attention to.

>>81172587
They will if marketing specifically engineers a situation where it'll happen, and I'm mostly thinking about Carol when I say that because it's all about forgetting the entire rest of the legacy, including Monica who's alive and in-print as fuck.

>>81172609
I think that just means Johns and Reis are coming for the collab arc, not that Reis is on the book all the time. That would probably mean he can't do an ongoing though depending on how much it is.

>>81172715
>And then other people read the fic but not the original material, and start adding on and it becomes a self-sustaining organism.
That too, people see their friend post a fic or something and get into it without being into the source material themselves. They might read some stuff but not many people will go through decades worth of comics to find key characterization for characters they like, they just keep building up that stuff on their own with their pals and it keeps spreading that way

>>81172680
>DC TRIED getting more weird stuff and unusual characters out in the open and THEY DIDN'T SELL!
This pisses me off when companies actually do try something different, and it doesn't work.

Hey nerds. Fuck you.

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>>81172459
Yes please. Sad no one brought it.

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>>81172730
Most of what I've seen about that is dismay/moral outrage at the Penelope Pitstop costume

>>81172747
Right, there are cases where marketing seems to work, and others where it doesn't (like how I keep seeing complaints from people who want to read a Thor book with Thor, including many a female reader)

>>81172680
>DC TRIED getting more weird stuff and unusual characters out in the open

There's a segment of people who refuse to even acknowledge this. You can't really argue with them.

>>81172715
But it just gets crazy! Fandom often uses small sections of a character's history to legitimize or establish a take. Sometimes the take is just completely invented. To what extent is a fandom character valid because the original, creator-made character exists?

Comic books are sort of in a unique position in terms of fandom too, if only because the inmates are in charge of the asylum. I think the internet is moving other media more towards the place comics are at and have been at for a while.

There are writers now (and I would say Spencer and Lieber are too of them, along with like Bennett, Leth, etc.) who tap fan-takes or fan-like-takes directly in their work. I agree Spencer's stance is bizarre, but a discussion on this has so many stopping points.

>>81172729
oh that is true, it's easy to forget that when DC's marketshare is like 20% and Marvel's is 40% that doesn't mean jack shit and if you look at CBR's Tilting at Windmills column DC is still the more profitable BOOK publisher by a wide margin

>>81172730
I've mostly seen people look at everything except Future Quest with derision, which is a shame because they all look great

>>81172594
Unless it is the latter it seems like a wasted opportunity to let Ted have his own solo before teaming up but maybe he'll get a couple of solo arcs?

>>81172729
Isn't it pretty much the case of, DC is selling consistently most of the time, but because Marvel has higher peaks, it looks like DC is doing worse?

>>81172770
>Fantagraphics and Drawn & Quarterly aren't the most-popular most-profitable highest-selling publishers
Why live?

So it goes back to how do you sell new and different shit and perception?

>>81172729

Well both the Big 2 push it too which isn't great. But even like Brevoort will say stuff like how compatition is good so they want DC to sell

>>81172786

they're hinting at an Odinson mini or something coming soon to explain what happened in the time skip

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>>81172784
Yeah, fucking no one bought that book. Which is a pity.

>>81172814
I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm mostly laughing at Spencer for taking this kind of hard line on "characters are the creation of the creators, end stop", which is completely missing how people read.

>>81172784
Needed better art.

>>81172680
>DC TRIED getting more weird stuff and unusual characters out in the open and THEY DIDN'T SELL!
Not only that, but they kept many of them running longer than they really should have with those sales.

It took an entire brand to fail (DCYou) for them to finally play it safe, and even then there are some outliers like Yang's book, Green Lanterns, and Gotham Academy still, AND they said there are still more books to announce later.

>At the DC Comics co-publisher “Sunday Conversation” panel at WonderCon today, Dan DiDio shared a story with Jimmy Palmiotti and Scott Snyder about advice he received from legendary DC Comics editor, the late Julie Schwartz. That “every ten years, you gotta give the universe an enema.”

>>81172815
>I've mostly seen people look at everything except Future Quest with derision, which is a shame because they all look great

Ironically that's the only book I'm looking forward to.

>>81172888
>realise too instead of two
Please just ignore the post.

I certainly DON'T get how Spencer can so ignorant of the fandoms he regularly engages with.

>>81172888
And Giffen didio OMAC.

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>>81172888
splat!

>>81172786
>Most of what I've seen about that is dismay/moral outrage at the Penelope Pitstop costume
Honestly, I can understand that. What even IS this Mad Max looking nonsense?

>>81172888
>which is completely missing how people read.
Can he be blamed for not understanding how crazy people think?

>>81172921
So what's Rebirth? The shit preceding the enema?

>>81172818
DC is doing worse than Marvel, there's no denying that.

But /co/ just seems to embrace this really narrow perspective of a two-publisher competition instead of looking at the market as a whole.

And, in particular, every DC thread seems to push this narrative that DC is the struggling, barely-surviving underdog who is unfairly losing and that Marvel is cheating somehow.

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>>81172940
>I certainly DON'T get how Spencer can so ignorant of the fandoms he regularly engages with.

I think Marvel has an antagonism clause written into every creator's contract that forces them to irritate fans anyway they can.

>>81172977
It's Mad Max looking nonsense

>>81173002
Very good point anon.

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>>81172993
I think a little reader-response theory is a good thing for anyone writing fiction to take a gander at, myself

>>81173002
>Dynamite higher than Valiant

Ouch

>>81172386
It literally undermines the point of Falcap. Faggots who are buying it just because they are cap fans and not Falcap fans will flock to new title, this will continue though. Just so Marvel could continue scoring diversity points. And then suddenly one day, poof.

>>81172993
There are comics characters you probably enjoy reading right now who are massively, massively shaped by fandom.

>>81173002
>Archie
>0.92%
.... I don't know if I want to live in a world without Sonic comics.

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>>81173025
I'll get you, and your little dog too!

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>>81173087
this happens to Vril on a regular basis, he gives zero shits

>>81172977
They literally described Wacky Race Land as Wacky Racers meets Mad Max

>WACKY RACELAND – Take The Ant Hill Mob, Penelope Pitstop and Dick Dastardly, mix in a healthy dose of “Mad Max” and you get this dark and gritty take on Hanna-Barbera’s “Wacky Races,” courtesy of writer Ken Pontac (REBOOT, HAPPY TREE FRIENDS) and artist Leonardo Manco (HELLBLAZER), with vehicle designs by Mark Sexton (MAD MAX: FURY ROAD). A time of hope and innocence with Utopia at the finish line has given way to planetary Armageddon and a desert wasteland full of radioactive lakes, nanotech dust storms, and cannibalistic mutants. Against this backdrop, the Wacky Racers and their sentient vehicles continue their contest, but now the competition is for survival, and there can only be one winner when the checkered flag falls.

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/01/28/hanna-barbera-beyond-flintstones-scooby-and-more-are-getting-comic-book-reimaginings


Also did you see that article stating that Scooby Apocalypse is the predecessor to Wacky Race Land and is what causes the fucked up world? Apparently they're working on a Jetsons comic which is about them time travelling trying to prevent Wacky Race Land

>>81173081
You won't have to, because even at less than 1% of the market, Archie still makes a profit.

So all this THE SKY IS FALLING worrying over DC really needs to chill.

>>81173111
>Also did you see that article stating that Scooby Apocalypse is the predecessor to Wacky Race Land and is what causes the fucked up world? Apparently they're working on a Jetsons comic which is about them time travelling trying to prevent Wacky Race Land
Also, all the redheads are connected

>>81173111
The whole thing just gives me Jak3 vibes.

>>81173146
FUCKIN MUTIES DID THIS

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>>81173010
checks out

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>>81173104

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>>81173206
well here's a proper space barbarian

>>81173111
>Ken Pontac (REBOOT, HAPPY TREE FRIENDS) and artist Leonardo Manco (HELLBLAZER), with vehicle designs by Mark Sexton (MAD MAX: FURY ROAD)
... These credits. I feel drunk. This is insanity.

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>>81173255
It's fucking Lobo, isn't it?

>>81173120
Admittedly, a lot of that tends to stem from social media/clickbait agitation. It does feel like sometimes there's always this constant stream of "DC FUCKED UP. RESET THE COUNTER" from the rest of the web, which unfortunately makes its way here, and after a while it can rub some anons the wrong way.

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>>81173269
It's certainly whatever the fuck it is!

>>81173063
Kind of doubt it, then again almsot all my Marvel/DC interests end in the early 90's

>>81173277
no

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>>81173295

>>81173313
>it's a Vril thread
>Vril is from the eighties
>technically from the sixties
IT CHECKS OUT.

>>81173277
No, but the starro on his chest is a big hint!

>>81171739
Fucking hell Marvel double ships or double shipped very recently and is not intending to use it to help the narrative like some DC books will be doing, which is actually a GOOD IDEA IN BIG TWO COMICS PUBLISHING

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>>81173025
It's really creepy and fetishy when trans headcanons (which already have unfortunate implications) morph into "every character I like is secretly trans and the writers are bad people writing things that contradict what I know is true."

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>>81173407

>>81173289

the hate on /co/ has for marvel is something.

>>81173365
I'm not really reading along, I just like these threads. But I loved the original L.E.G.I.O.N. and I thank the storytimer for introducing it to me

>>81173255
>>81173295
>>81173342
Is this that stupid retcon bullshit about how Starro is actually just some generic humanoid instead of a proper starfish alien? Because that's incredibly lame.

Does Gail have anything besides her Vertigo book right now? That's another Rebirth omission.

>>81173442
I won't be surprised if Secret Six ends up getting bumped to Vertigo

>>81173423
Or even better when it comes to

>This female character is great
>What if they were trans!

Okay.jpg

>>81173394
I always get Qward mixed up with the Warpsmiths.

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>>81173429

>>81173442
I don't think so

>>81173465
And only for transwomen. Only that specific thing.

>>81173433
Some place has to.

>>81173423
ya just bring up trans for that, not gay or even just regular shipping related shit which is way more frequent and even more "fetishy" because it's directly sexual. You totally don't just want to shit on trans people. (not saying that people who do this aren't fucking retarded though)
Just make a thread for shitting on trans people if you wanna do that

>>81173187
Fuck Brevoort. Fuck Marvel's practices. I'd say fuck DC too but we got 12 isdue run of Omega man, middy prez on top of a lot of other obscure gems.

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>>81173485
hardcore!

>>81173441
If you really want to know, it's been a while since I read it but I'm pretty sure he's just controlling them via the big one and it's still an alien starfish on its own.

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>>81173538
Awwww, poor Amon.

>>81173465
>>81173423
This is why you keep headcanons to yourself and yourself alone. The only person who should be deciding stuff like that is a write at the time.

Like personally my headcanon is that all DC females have fat cocks and get pregnant via buttfucking but you don't see me pushing that on the Amazonians or Kryptonians.

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>>81173578
Headcanons are a pretty normal part of reading, it's getting abusive when other people don't share them that's why we can't have nice things in fandom.

>>81173538
Damn! I kinda like the present era Dominators. They're kinda badass compared to their 31st century descendants.

>>81173508
Transmen are barely visible to most people as it is.

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>>81173618
look at that sassy Durlan pose, damn

>>81173579
>or Kryptonians
I mean, they're aliens, how do we know they DON'T do that?

>>81173579
Well with Otto drawing now...

>>81173660
Dinah putting her Arrow in Ollies Quiver when

>>81173579
I've personally come to abhor most headcanon/shipping stuff because it comes off as so cancerous. Like, I don't mind joking around on here with others about Hal/Sinestro or Booster/Ted, but I don't actually want that stuff in the comics. But some fans just go to such extreme "MY word is Law" lengths, that its just like, nope. Fuck this.

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>>81173660
if that's really the case, that's pretty amazing

A lot of the stuff in his artbook has a very Euro, Sky Doll feel to it

>>81173433
From the surface it would seem because al tryhard all progressive Marvel but there are a lot of other reasons. For one they've screwed over every portion of their fanbase without actually apologising even once. A lot of creators and editors are absolute shitheads there.

>>81173622
They're very...better? It's 2009 and they're still banana-yellow, though, what's that.

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>>81173684
Yeah he has those pin-ups but he also had, or possibly still has, a whole porn series called Innocent Dickgirls. I kid you not.

>>81173681
I like shipping for the "what if" factor but I grew out of the active campaigning of ships to be canon back when I watched Grey's Anatomy in high school and MereDer won

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>>81173719
I saw that too!

>>81173684
Durlans are ultra-cool. This makes me wonder if that grenade in the Middy series was made of a living Durlan.

>>81173719
My imagination will cover the rest.

>>81173441
Hey fuck you, this is the best version of Starro ever. Wish he was the baddie of the JL movie.

Realistically even with Otto on art I think the most we can hope for is Dinah pegging Ollie. I mean Johns did say the most controversial scene in DC history was coming up, right?

>>81173788
>Wish he was the baddie of the JL movie.

>Humanoid Starro is introduced and built up
>Gets defeated
>Starro Classic rises up from the ashes for the climactic battle

I liked that otto guy's GOTG team up issue with she-hulk. no idea about the porn

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>>81173721
Right, there's two big classes of shipping:

1) predictive shipping that is predicated on being validated in canon/wants to win
2) shipping that doesn't care if it happens or not, people just like it and write about it

when they clash and people aren't clear about what kind they are...

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>>81173824
To be fair can you imagine the kind of tuck job she'd have with these shorts

>>81173749
Honestly there are a few more porn artists I'd like to get professional, mainstream work. Some certainly have a whole lot better grasp of anatomy than the ones we've got.

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>>81173850
Ah, the Platinum Game approach to boss fights.

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>>81173850
Anon, it has to be
>they've actually been fighting ON Starro Classic the entire time

>>81173868
If Poison can do it, anyone can.

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>>81173649
I apologize for nothing.

NOTHING!

>>81173868
Boys can tie down and wear tight thick leather, anon.

>>81173868
If Poison can do it Dinah can do it

I really like that costume btw

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>>81173872
If they can do sequentials, why not?

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>>81173950
Thank god they god rid off of the armor.

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>>81173950
Agreed. I was annoyed at Ollie getting his CW costume at first till I realised its the best costume he's had since Grell(IMO) but I'm so glad they didn't give Dinah the stuff from the show and got rid of her armour

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>>81173973
I'm still sad Nu52 Birds of Prey crashed and burned as quickly as it did.

>>81174022
I dont know how it lasted 34 issues.

>>81173973
I don't actually mind the armor but the new one is fun and fishnet-y and I like her sweet bird jacket

>>81173954
Also the increased interplay of porn and not porn might get us an explicit Dauterman comic.

>>81174059
The new logo looks nice.

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>>81173988
Vril? Solo? How much damage can he do?

>>81174014
Hah, Percy got flamed on twitter for telling the Olicity people "sorry no"

Waifu Academy is trying to get you to buy Quake, now

>>81174059
Black Canary ought to have the same shifting, similar outfits shtick as Miss America. Really looking forward to seeing the new take on her on BoP. I think it might revive old Dinah/Steph ships.

That reminds me, what happened to the Black Canary/Batgirl teams?

>>81173988
Top panel, to the far right. That's totally an asari from Mass Effect. Sneaky.

>>81174066
Enough comics are already porn with no dick or cumshots (pleb-tier). Niggas somehow forgot what a bikini bottom looked like in the mid-00s and it's unrendered vulva for days.

>>81174117
At least they finally picked a character IDGAF about.

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>>81174136
I think at least some of them are doing creator-owned books next?

>>81174056
The early issues were actually really enjoyable, in my opinion. But yea, sometime around when Poison Ivy went back to being evil and the female Talon showed up, the cracks started to show and quality went down the drain bigtime. Maybe DC was hoping it would pick back up, but I stopped reading full-time around when Marx came on, so I don't know how her issues were.

>>81174136
Nowhere to be seen at DC, they are apparently doing something at Image

Fletcher may be on Gotham Academy

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>>81174117
He got bully and deleted his tweet

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>>81174162
I still long to have Helmut in my academy

but $20 is a lot of beer

>>81174117
Felicity is a good object lesson on writing, adaptions, romantic subplots, and fandom in general.

>>81173874
>bullying Vril just because he has a computer waifu

:(

>>81174187
I've got to say if I were ever a media industry professional there is no fucking way I would not have separate professional/personal twitter accounts.

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>>81174187
Now its pic related

A nice way of saying "Please fuck off back to your show"

>>81174177
Same i stop reading when Marx takes over.

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>>81174218
So we know Rebirth teams, but has anyone bothered to go through Twitter and figure out who's editing what? Khouri's talked, and I know one other guy has too because I saw his "You will love Deathstroke, it is smart and action-y" tweet.

>>81174227
The Colu are like part computer or some shit right? It's okay for him.

>>81173874
>My love!
Vril, did you make yourself a robot waifu?

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous.

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>>81174259
dammit Vril

>>81174259
oh god

I was in such bliss, I forgot to see if Berganza and/or Cotton were still on tap. Suddenly scared for Chinese Superman.

>>81174302
aw goddammit

>>81174278
Has Vril ever teamed up with Lex?

>>81174278
S-she was just a robot it's fine. It's fine.

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>>81174325
I don't think so, Vril tends to view Earth as an unfortunate backwater

>>81174259
Yeah, editorial teams are unclear.
I thought they were going by teams in the stream but unless SS and HQ have a separate editorial team to the rest of the books like GA

Doyle is still on Batman I assume
Johns personally spoke with Percy it seems >>81174014
so maybe he's taking more of an editorial position than usual for Rebirth? Would explain his lack of book and Rebirth is his own baby

>>81174278
That's pretty cold.

>>81174325
His father has, a few times. I think that alone would sour Lex on teaming with him. Even if Vril wasn't...Vril.

>>81174325
I think Vril would consider Lex too dangerous to team up with.

>>81174278
>self destructing your qt 3.14 robot waifu
Oh fuck you, Vril. That was just dickery for the sake of it.

>>81174370
Shazam please.

>>81174357
>pose as a team cuz shit just got real

>>81174370
It sounds like Johns, Lee and Didio were the collaborative masterminds behind Rebirth so I'm guessing Johns talked to EVERYBODY

he said he talked to Venditti too

I bet he bullies Venditti when nobody is looking

>>81174325
Heh, I think I know what you're talking about.

>>81174397
BEEP BOOP

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>>81174357
Here's one list:

https://twitter.com/Alex_Antone/status/713823626848391168

>>81174397
>>81174375
Tom Taylor pls go. Robots aren't people they don't have feelings

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>>81174432
Lol, Khouri is answering all sorts of "Will X be in this book?" questions with "That'll cost you $2.99"

>>81174444
Shut up Byrne.

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>>81174455
>Otto was in my BEST ART EVER feature at ComicsAlliance all the time, and I'm loving the stuff he's doing for Green Arrow. Also art + color.

it's neat that both Ferreyra and Schmidt are coloring their own work--no separate inking either, right?

>>81174412
>>81174370
And he's helping Dogfucker with Green Lanterns.

I really hope Humphries is one of those writers who's better at DC than Marvel. I hope Baz and Jessica end up good.

Also anyone catch the irony of Humphries and Abnett on the stage at the same time.

>>81174432
Since smart and nuanced is exactly what I expect from Priest, not surprised, but certainly hopeful.

Deathstroke could coast on dumb shit for 20 more years, but I'll treasure this shit for what it is.

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>>81174508
All the n00bs who haven't read his BP are "Why are people excited about a Deathstroke book"

>>81174444
oh wait, I forgot Wilson was the robotfucker

well they can both go to hell

>>81174505
I get the sense that Abnett doesn't give a fuck.

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>>81174444
>Robots aren't people they don't have feelings
Nigga, I will fight you in the street.

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>>81174541
Khouri and Cunningham are teamed up on the Skwad; I assume Khouri's still on Dr. Fate, too

>>81174505
I'll gladly eat my hat if dogfucker turns out to make that shit work and then has a fruitful career full of above-average comics. Put your ass in gear, man.

I'd still be calling him dogfucker, of course, but more lovingly.

>>81174490
I'd assume so, a lot of their stuff is water colour it seems.

I'm excited for good art not to get ruined by shitty colorists as well

>>81174505
yeah I hope Green Lanterns is good

I wouldn't want both GL books to suck

>>81174541
I wonder how many people don't realize he's black

I wonder if Priest is working on something Milestone related. I know he said he didn't want to become the "Black Guy Writer" but he could be writing Xombi or something like that.

>>81174541
Personally, I think Priest is wasted on Deathstroke. But I've never liked Slade myself.

>>81174505
>I really hope Humphries is one of those writers who's better at DC than Marvel.

Same. I really wanna get into Jessica.

N-not like that~

>>81174572
>monae_in_bad_wig.jpg

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>>81174575
Hey, I want the book to be good, too. Actually wanting the trainwreck is an exception.


please let CW2 be an interesting trainwreck

>>81174597
Dont worry David Walker is taking his place.

>>81174596
like 90%

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>>81174603
Priest writes a good action book, and that's what at least half of a Slade book should be. And the other half needs to be some compelling gray morality.

>>81174653
Carol is going back to her pre-KSD days in her own book so if Bendis continues his old portrayel of her it'll be fun at the very least

>>81174573
>that Guardian
HA! Is that Scar? Nice.

>>81174653
Come on, Vril. Just nut up and call Stealth. Not like you have many other options.

>>81174603
I'm guessing that Priest wanted to write Slade, ease himself back in.

>>81174715
There's going to be a million years of backlash if that happens but those people won't actually stop buying marvel, mission accomplished[/spoiler[

>>81173407
>How I feel playing Dynasty Warriors

>>81174603
>>81174541
>>81174763
Is Slade still young or did he get re-aged?

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>>81174740
we're pretty close to Blackest Night; we will tie in

>>81174817
I don't know, honestly. I'm hoping genuine silver fox.

>>81174802
>air charge air charge air RI air charge
and I love it so much I have a harlem globetrotters team in WO3U

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>>81174802
Nice. Some many games so little time.

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>>81174852
There's a garden job I want to do right now but it's dark

>>81174817
Whatever Priest wants, methinks. Probably old.

>>81174763
Priest is probably happy writing any comic that isn't labeled a "black" superhero

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>>81174861
Aw shit nigga, Moto Racer used to be shit back in the day.

>>81174505
It's such a good premise.

I hope they don't bang though.

>>81174861
> Stardew Valley
I'm still not ready for that tie sink yet

>>81174905
Hell yeah. Along with MX vs Atv.

>>81174901
>people refuse to buy it for that very reason

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>>81174929
oh god, they shouldn't bang

that's as bad as that bullshit Dr. Fate/Hawkgirl stuff Wilson was shoving at the end of WE

>>81174938
I dont want to play i heard is too addicting.

>>81174938
My laptop is so old I can't even play it ;_;

>>81174938
Play Reccetear instead. Weep as it ends in a cardboard box.

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>>81174951
> breaking news from The Hooded Utilitarian, DC racist for forcing black writer to work on comic about white character

>>81173709
Hey here's a fun thought. This plot line written by Tom King.

>>81174979
I'm glad he got shelved long enough to come back without a boner for Kendra (no offense, she hot).

>>81174979
Ugh, christ let me forget

I'm so sad E2 isn't getting a Rebirth, it really needs it to bring back Atom and have Abnett centralise on the modern golden age idea that Robinson originally wanted

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>>81175004
https://twitter.com/FabianNicieza/status/714265838799482881

FabNic wants to be the little girl

>>81174988
oh shit, I have that game and haven't played it at all

>>81174861
>No Man's Sky
>still not out
Weird. That looks really interesting, especially now that Metroid is as good as dead. Gotta get muh exploration on somehow.

>>81174904
I like Ciji. And I like how she and Vril seem to get along so well.

>>81174980
I still need to finish up Fire Emblem Fates before Dark Souls hits. Stardew will probably be the game I play in the Fall

>>81174979
Not digging the Yoda voice here.

>>81174185
Cloonan retweeted something about her and Fletcher being back on it so I guess that hasn't changed

I hope the Vertigo revival rumor is true and Seaguy 3 explains where Stewart is. He did say it would come after Fight Club and Batgirl like a year or two ago.

>>81175040
>now that Metroid is as good as dead

Did you check out Axiom Verge?

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>>81175060
Gil'dishpan have some inverted syntax but I'd have to go back to Levitz LOSH to check on it

>>81175040
>>81175052
Also waiting for this zelda clone to be released finally. https://youtu.be/a9OFgv9a6Nc

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>>81175099
"the water here tastes like ass"

c-crop anon?

>>81175084
Glad Cloonan is getting more work. Looking forward to her Punisher.

Is it wrong to enjoy this comic like a HELL of a lot more than the one we just read?

This is fantastic.

>>81175140
I wish she could get a better artist.

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>>81175140
It sounds like she gets Frank more than Edmondson did

I really like what Rucka is doing with Wondy being bi-weekly, I kinda wish more books had adapted that format. For example if Blue Beetle was bi-weekly it could be Ted and Jaime on rotation

Also anyone scared half the writers will completely miss the point of "Rebirth"?

GL seems to have hit the dot by going back to being about space cops with Jess and Baz learning to be space cops

>>81173859
Is there any chance the fakeloli is a recurring character?

>>81175166
I'm hoping Dillion will mostly be an introductory arc type of deal, but he's quite a workhorse artist, isn't he?

>>81175174
It means a certainly structure, potential burn-out. Doesn't really work on a straight team-up if the book is going to be both Ted and Jaime all the time.

But yeah it's interesting to see it really used for something.

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>>81175189
Ciji? She hangs around for the duration of the run, yes.

>>81175143
I enjoy this run a lot but I think it lacks some of the pitch black humor and razor edge of the 90s stuff.

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>>81175248
Was anyone other than Kolins announced on Beetle?

>>81175174
>GL seems to have hit the dot by going back to being about space cops with Jess and Baz learning to be space cops
I'm still wary about the teams on the GL books but they do seem to get the "point" of Rebirth (not a surprise with Johns and EVS both guiding them)

EVS seems really invested in HJGLC so I hope he can balance Venditti out or something

>>81175174
>I really like what Rucka is doing with Wondy being bi-weekly, I kinda wish more books had adapted that format.
Same. The past/present thing seems interesting to see where he'll go with it. He claims the two stories are connected.

>Also anyone scared half the writers will completely miss the point of "Rebirth"?
Most of the readers are missing the point. People STILL think this is a reboot.

The word is "retool", folks. Retool. Paradigm shift. Same slate, different direction. Goddamn.

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>>81175281
Thanks for sharing!

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>>81175286
Yeah, maybe with less free reign and more "Write this kind of thing and do a good job on it" we'll get something less of a miseryfest.

>>81175248
This hits a lot of boxes for me that many sci-fi/space/'galactic crisis' comics do not.

>>81175276
Blue Beetle is monthly.

>>81175312
Hawkman was black several times. By the transitive property, all black men are JSA. HL3 confirmed.

>>81175344
I'm a little concerned that HJGLC will still be a miseryfest but I am hoping for the best and if there's any retarded drama relating to Hal/Carol/Kyle I will literally kill myself

EVS said he wanted it to be like Englehart/Staton era GL with Hal as the lead but other GLs having big parts, which actually sounds like a pretty good idea

hopefully with less fetishes, though!

>>81175305
>Most of the readers are missing the point. People STILL think this is a reboot.

I'm really trying to resist the urge to call them Fucking Casuals, but goddamn, Fucking Casuals.

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>>81175361
Ah, that makes sense then.

I don't think she WANTS to do a strict monthly (I don't know, but she does so much varied work), but I've been digging Colleen Doran's input into the 3K1-osphere.

>>81175351
DC is seriously lacking on cosmic stuff at the moment.

Fortunately, Johns says there's "a larger story to tell" about the Legion after Rebirth is done. So maybe that will get non-GL space stuff back on track.

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>>81175450
I would still sell you all into slavery for another Tom King tangentially-GL-at-best Cosmic book.

DAMMIT VRIL

>>81175503
>DAMMIT VRIL
Not his fault for once. This probably irritates him.

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>>81175503
One more, or...

>>81174218
I'll buy Helmut for you, OP.

>>81175450
My biggest concern there is that we'll get another story trying to contextualize the Legion's place in the multiverse.

I enjoy a good continuity wank as much as anyone, but I feel like that's not what the Legion needs right now.

>>81175555
MORE!

>>81175555
Sure, why not?

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>>81175567
The Legion does not need continuity wank or a reboot. It needs to hit the ground running with short one/two issue stories that build the world up around it in a way intelligible to new readers.

>>81175613
I'd prefer a lack of founders wank, or different founders altogether. I am so completely done with all of them.

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>>81175613
That means a deft hand at making it clear who everyone is and what they can do, but without devoting serious story space to "As you know, Bob..."

>>81175567
As long as it happens in the 80 page Rebirth special and not whatever ongoing that could happen is fine by me. Though I say just use the Lemire mixed up Legion and just tell some stories. I don't want any origin shit or anything like that. Threeboot had a good start in that regard.

>>81175677
>dat green boy
oh shit

>>81175503
He's saving the universe, OP.

I can't believe I didn't know about this comic. I'm enjoying it so much.

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>>81175677
Voorl sure looks a lot different now
;____;

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>>81175712
FUCK

...yeah, this is not a development I would have gone with, but it is what it is.

>>81175663
I think you just start well after the founding at go at the first issue fast-paced with a small group of legionnaires, who you integrate with the whole thing.

>>81175567
Yeah, part of the Legion's appeal is that while it has connections to the rest of the DCU, it mostly exists in its own setting and can have their own stories without being dragged into everything else.

Their place in the multiverse is that they are in THE FUTURE. That's it, no bullshit.

>>81175733
But that's literally how every reboot started.