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4 Days - Edition

>Newest Rebels Recon Episode (2x19 - The Mystery of Chopper Base):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob90p0SoMpY

>Upcoming Releases:
http://www.swbooks.net/updates/release-2016.htm

>Star Wars Canon Guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1KovH_1GYLDTAe3yrleeWiuzwulm670o_anQqr5Rcg/pubhtml

>Download links: (Check here for the newest episode + Books, Comics, Films, etc)
http://pastebin.com/nWsKtSya

>The Clone Wars Legacy Content:
http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/the-clone-wars-legacy
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TFA is a good movie.
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>>81153416
It was okay. I think it had a few cool parts, but much of it was underwhelming or lazy, and it lacks the thematic resonance of the similarly sloppy in parts Return of the Jedi. Just eh.
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>>81153416
>Mark Hamill has top billing
>Carri Fisher and Harrison Ford photoshopped to look younger
1/10 would not frame
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DEAD WAIFU WALKING
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>>81153396
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>>81153416
Why is the sequel setting getting so ignored? Outside the movie and a few movie tie in art book stuff there's nothing that takes place in that period. No books or comics or games or anything. It's really hard to care about the new Star Wars when all we're getting is more OT stuff to replace the mountain load of OT stuff we already had.
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>>81153535
DEAD WAIFU SITTING
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>>81153562
Don't even joke like that anon.

S-surely Filoni is not that cruel...r-right?
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>>81153553
Give it time. There's a comic series for Poe Dameron before the movie soon, and a novel for Leia a few years before the movie. So the sequel setting will be explored, but I think for that we need to wait for the movies to be made, at least the second one.
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>>81153553
Yeah, it's sad. I would've preferred five non-canon books giving Rey a different background each time than fucking nothing. But no, it's a serious business now.
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>>81153416

It was a JJ-Abrams-as-fuck JJ Abrams movie, which means the characters were all incredibly entertaining, the pacing was 300 miles an hour and the plot was stitched together with chewing gum and twine. Luckily I like JJ as a filmmaker, so a lot of the issues were more along the "what you call a bug I call a feature" track. I get why people didn't like it, but I really fucking enjoyed it.

I still think the people who call it some bland by-committee hack job are idiots though. This is a movie so JJ Abrams that its hyper-fast pacing makes it forget about its own MacGuffin, which I'm pretty sure is the JJ hat trick.
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>>81153451
What's wrong with Mark getting top billing? He's best boy.
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>>81153451
>>Mark Hamill has top billing
wasn't that Ford though?
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WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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>>81153938
He is a cameo in TFA, when they put him at the top it makes it seam as if he stars in the movie.
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TFA was worse than my son.
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>>81153588
Did you not see TCW? He loves making you care about a character then killing them off. The guy is sadistic.
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>>81154029
Will her niece get revenge on Maul?
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>>81153978
iirc, you just need the sharpshooter skill from the rebels trainer to do this one. breaks his shield and stuns him a short while. if you combine that with poison bolas you can basically break his shield and stun him into oblivion.
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>>81153654
I didn't find the characters very interesting. Finn was a waste, Rey was almost nothing. Kylo Ren was good, though.
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>>81154024
Finn and Rey should've been one character - Finn.
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Once Ahsoka dies I stop watching this average show.
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>>81154198
No one will miss you.
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>>81154198
Why wait? You already know she's gonna die.
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>>81154165
Ok thanks. I was not prepared at all, his shield deflects literally all my weapons and equipment.

I thought I got away from all the personal shields in Battlefront, and then that happened!
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>>81153553

What bugs me the most is the lack of gaming content. Sure we have infinity and I think a Lego game, but battlefront not having sequel content or a new action or space sim game altogether is baffling.
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>>81154195
Nah, Finn's character should have been more successful, Rey struggle more, but other than that they're nice.
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>>81154029
>He loves making you care about a character then killing them off. The guy is sadistic.
reminds me of Tomino
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>>81153416
>TFA
>Good movie
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>>81153416
TFA is the worst of all 7 Star Wars movies. That being said it's still a decent movie considering the non-Star Wars shit that has been produced the last few years.
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>>81154635
>TFA is the worst of all 7 Star Wars movies
I'll accept it's not the best, but that statement is wrong.
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>>81154635
Nah, TFA is in the middle tier, rubbing shoulders with ROTJ and TPM (high tier is ANH and ESB, low tier is AOTC and ROTS).

The plot was a mess, the pacing and editing was waaay too fast and jolty, Rey never really came into her own as a protagonist, and there were too many stupid story elements like Starkiller base, all of the tech being the same as 30 years ago, etc.

But the tone was spot-on, Adam Driver delivered the best villain performance in the series, Harrison Ford miraculously didn't phone it in, and it felt like a labor of love. It's a nice, solid 6.
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>>81154750
>Harrison Ford miraculously didn't phone it in

Most surprising part of the movie
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>>81154750
> The plot was a mess

This. The acting was great, but the characters just . . . Wandered around.
Finn went from "the villagers killed my friend, now I hate war" to "yee haw, I'm shooting all my co-workers, this is so cool!" in no time at all.
They flew the falcon into space, and thirty seconds later they're hidden from the enemy fleet? Did someone turn out the space lights? And then Han's pirate ship shows up unexpectedly, followed by two other pirates? Tthe enemy fleet can't see them, they can't see each other?
So they're all LOST . . . in space?

Even in the worst days of the prequels you had the impression that space was big. Really big.
This all felt like it took place in someone's back yard.
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>>81153396
So... what happened to looking for Dicer?

I realize she's supposed to be dead, but they're not going to look for her body?

It's not like she disappeared that much longer before Rex, and he still managed to be captured instead of eaten.

Nobody wanted to find out if maybe she was still alive?

No "leave no one behind" policy in the Rebelllion?
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>>81154750
>ROTS
>low tier
Opinion discarded
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>>81155470
She died. They cut the scene where they found her tattered suit.
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>>81155470
she's the spider breeding queen now
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>>81155324
>>81154635
>>81154182
>>81154024
>>81153445
V > IV > VII > VI > III > II = I

Deal with it.
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>>81155502
Reading comprehension. You don't have it.
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>>81155542
VII is fucking terrible. The only reason anyone would have it above I, II and III is because of all the nostalgia baiting and the borderline meme hatred of the prequels.
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>It's a Kylo checks his little cousin's tits episode
problematic
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>>81154635
>>81154750
I watched it again since it has been released on bluray.
And I kind of came to the realization that while Han is in the movie he is kind of the main character. Rey and Finn just take the backseat and tag along.
Him and Chewie do all the heavy lifting, get all the laughs and basically steal the show.
The two are hands down the best thing about the film.

In terms of pacing TFA is much better than the prequels because Lucas did a lot of worldbuilding and exposition, but it felt awkward in those films. As did the dialogue. On my first viewing of TFA I felt like the film did a lot of spoonfeeding too, but it doesn't feel as awkward most of the time Except for that exchange between Rey and Finn in the cantina. That is gonna stay cringe..

Anyway, after getting around to realign my expectations of what the film could have been with what it actually is, I'm sure it's pretty fair to say that it is conventional and safe, but pretty solid all around.
It's a decent action flick. Nothing more nothing less.
And Driver as Antagonist was pretty good too. They tried to give the whole sith thing a new spin or rather get away from all the old stuff related to it and tried to write a guy that struggles with the darkness but tries to embrace it in spite of him.

Whether or not the whole thing is gonna pay off remains to be seen since it ended on a cliffhanger and didn't really bring any of the character arcs to a conclusion, except for Han of course.
But then the argument could be made that SW was supposed to feel like the Flash Gordon serials so I guess that's in the spirit of the franchise.
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>>81155566
Don't you ever get tired of b8ing for (You)s?

Everyone knows TFA is superior to the prequels and if nostalgia has anything to do with it, it's keeping it from being considered better than the OT, even though it objectively is.
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>>81155555
Fuck you Fives
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>>81155542
I don't know if i'd rate TFA higher than ROTJ, Jedi is certainly the weakest of the OT and I despise everything about the endor moon but every scene on the Death Star with Luke, Vader and Papa Palps is god tier and houses some of the best moments of the entire franchise
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>>81155598
It's a Star Wars tradition.

You got the Luke Leia thing and the super inappropriate age gap between Anakin and Padme in the PT. Not to mention the murdering of little children in the Jedi Temple and an entire village of sand people. And a guy chocking out his pregnant wife. Or a guy cutting off the legs and an arm of a boy he practically raised before leaving him to brun alive.
Star Wars is full of that kind of stuff.
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>>81155772
>super inappropriate age gap

four years

it was only four years
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>>81155772
Isn't the age gap between Han and Leia pretty big too?

Like 19 and 29?
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>>81155825
Wernt the actors 8 and 16?
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>>81155877
10 and 18. But Padme is supposed to be 14.
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>>81155542
VII is better than the prequels. It's not as good as VI, though, despite VI also having many issues. VI drops the ball in unfortunate and easily corrected ways, along with more major issues like Han and Leia fitting into things poorly. But it takes Luke's arc to an inspiring conclusion and operates as a great thematic capstone, with a number of iconic and very memorable scenes.

So no, having seen TFA multiple times now, I still think RotJ is better, ewoks and all. I won't deal with it.
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>>81155834
At least they both had grown pubes by then...
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>>81155877
That's why they went and got an older actor for the second movie
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>>81155772
>tfw despite how fucked up SW is they couldn't have the OT end with Han marrying both Leia and Luke
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>>81155661
>it's keeping it from being considered better than the OT, even though it objectively is.
That's not how on objectivity works!

But either way I have no idea what the fuck you could possibly be referring to here. Special effects, sure. Otherwise I disagree.
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>>81155834
I always forget there's a huge gap between them, probably because Fisher looked old even when she was young.
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>>81154220
i want to have hope she lives anon

i want to believe
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>>81153396
I haven't given Ahsoka's Rebels design much thought, but it looks especially good anytime it's next to Vader. I wonder if that played into her design.
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>>81153416
I was skeptical viewing it but I enjoyed it. It has weaknesses but it's not terrible.
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>>81153562
>walking around backstage at hollywood studios
>see her actress in partial costume with frilly bra/top out
THE LESBIANATOR
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>>81153416
No.
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any updates on Adventures in Wild Space?
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>>81155324
>They flew the falcon into space, and thirty seconds later they're hidden from the enemy fleet?

The Finalizer could be on the other side of the planet, and they made sure to not go offworld before escaping their sensors, so far, why not.

But yeah, the rest happens a bit too fast. Han was looking for the Falcon with some tracking device they activated when they turned her on, and was in the general vicinity. The gangsters were looking after Han, and aparently were working together.

It could have worked if Finn and Rey jumped in another system before making some reparations that needed some time, and then Han and later the pirates arrives.

It's more egregious on Takodana, we see Kylo is on Starkiller's orbit when they shoot at the Hosnian system, and minutes later the FO attack Maz's places, and a few minutes after them here are the Resistance. Why they are here is better explained with their respective cover agents, but it happened way too fast.

Even if you try to rationalise that Starkiller's shot is slower is not as instantaneous as implied, it took some time before actually hitting its targets, and during this time Kylo was travelling, okay but even then the events at Maz's bar between the moment the crew is spotted and the one the FO arrives should be in hours in length at least.

However during the prequels some shortcut were made as well: Obi-Wan goes to Utapau to Coruscant to Mustaphat to Polis Massa, with all the sneaking around, the battles, the research in the Jedi temple, the confrontation of Anakin in the span of two days. And when Yoda and Windu separates (Windu going to Geonosis to rescue Obi, Annie and Padme, Yoda going to Kamino then to Geonosis) they arrive also shortly after each other and the separatists failed to notice the huge fleet coming at them.
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>>81156022
Leia... had a hard life. It's mostly the snail braids being that deep that make her appear homelier, and Fisher played her as barely suppressing her anger, so that attitude also colours the age perception.
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>>81155634
>And I kind of came to the realization that while Han is in the movie he is kind of the main character. Rey and Finn just take the backseat and tag along.
It was nice and all seeing Han but the new guys deserved better development. Especially Rey.

It could've helped also if the MacGuffin was not the map but Rey herself either as Luke's daughter or as his last student with blocked memory.
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>>81156119
the movie tries to pretend that the third act could conceivably have happened in 15 minutes too
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>>81156106
I decided to just write up the rest of The Escape, and upload all 6 Chapters in a Mega. Want to have it finished by Wednesday for the Rebels Finale, but don't hold me to that. I've already taken longer than I originally said I would.

As for the other two books, I have heard nothing in regards to those being uploaded or scanned, sorry.
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>>81154305
Fuck the clueless execs at Disney who decided EA gets to be the sole producer of Star Wars vidya for the next 10 years, mobile and Lego shit aside.
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>>81156360
I'm really looking forward to the Visceral game.

Amy Hennig is on it.
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>>81156360
As long a decent, canon RPG comes out of this I'm good.
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>>81156149
Yeah, they mentions the fifteen minutes between the moment Han, Finn and Chewie arrives at Starkiller and the one they try and capture Phasma. After that they run around some more, find Rey, go outside, go to the thermal oscillator, Han and chewie puts the charges, han confront Kylo, etc... too many events for just 15min in-universe. After the OT destruction the weapon can't fire and the planets start to crumble, but yeah it's a bit too quick.

Honestly, I love the film but yeah, there's a lot of flaws.
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>>81156400
TO*, I meant the Thermal Oscillator or whatever.
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Lego Star Wars Rebels when?
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>>81156444
DLC
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Has there ever been a random SW character generator that'd take into account variables like

> era
> name
> species
> occupation
> force sensitive Y/N

Like, there's one for Sith Names, there's one for general names, and there's a little program that'd make a spreadsheet for a classic RPG game, but I've never found anything that's like the above.
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>>81156376
>>81156399
But there could have been so much more. You all remember the early 2000's and the absolute torrent of prequel related content. Even the late 90's had a bunch of quality stuff with stuff like Dark Forces and X-Wing Vs Tie.
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>>81156444
Lego is such a cashgrab but they know how to go for the heart
> Rey's freckles and Finn's sweat
> Han's rogue smile
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>>81153416
No it wasn't. It could have been, but they ruined their own movie by cramming in that absurd new death star and all that came with it.
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>>81156480
I think that even if the rights weren't exclusive to EA we wouldn't see a ton of games.

Disney/Lucasfilm is has purposely been slowly trickling out content as to not draw the focus of 'normies' away from the movies.

And since they want pretty much everything that comes out now to be canon it requires more work to make the story.
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>>81156444
I hope the lego game will be worth the weight
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>>81153416
Solid showing from the the new characters. Harrison actually gave a shit. The Finalizer is fucking retarded, and nearly tanks the movie. I think I would have hated the movie more if Abrams was doing the next two movies.
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>>81156541
Micromanaging a franchise as large as Star Wars seems a fools game at this point. It will print money regardless, don't know why they bothered with this new story group business and trying to build a coherent cannon throughout all medias they've got fingers in.
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>>81156573
The Finalizer? Really? It wasn't anything special but it wasn't a bad Star Destroyer.
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>>81156604
I think the fact that they made the story group and put the extra effort into making everything fit shows that they at least care beyond the profitability of the franchise.

Your average consumer isn't going to care if something is canon or not. Hell, getting rid of the EU caused backlash.
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>>81156360
It says publish you pleb!
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>>81156673
All that means is that EA own studios (Bioware, Visceral) are going to develop the games and EA will slap their name on it for publishing.
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>>81156604
The only franchise that to my knowledge has managed to keep itself straight would be the Mignolaverse, but it's still fairly small (though it has like a dozen publications as of now and "only" been around for over 25 years).

I don't understand why in a GALAXIS everything has to be connected. Just have a clear foundation on your basis - Force don't care unless Sith, the aliens work like that, money goes from there to there - and tell your story. On a galactic scale, the movie heroes shouldn't have to run or be connected to every novel protagonist or game protagonist or the like.
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>>81156604
To create a clear message and de-clusterfuck the franchise to increase accessibility. It was a smart move on every level, really.
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>>81156711
>I don't understand why in a GALAXIS everything has to be connected
Because it's a cheap and easy way for an author to gain "oh, I recognize this from the movies" points.
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>>81156745
Are people really that easily ensnared?
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>>81155555
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>>81156792
You've been.
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>>81156722
>creating a fully connected cannon
>increase accessibility
Isn't this close to running into the comics issue where you're reading something two steps removed from the current character you're interested to learn about their adventures with so and so since everything now has to fit together like a puzzle?
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>>81156792
It's not about the people.
It's why all movies and games are the same. The people financing the development want to minimize the risk to their investments.

If X sells well, they are gonna order more X and market it to the same people that like X before. Sometimes they add a little Y in it to attract new people. This may or may not diminish the appeal to the people that liked X. But now you got a new target audience you can sell shit to.
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>>81156642
shit I got their names mixed up. I meant the stupid new death star.
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>>81156711
Well, it's good if you want to avoid contradictions like a character dying at one point but shwing up later, or have a character with 5 different backstories like Boba Fett, or for your chronology to be somewaht coherent.

I mean, when TCW aired there was a lot of contradiction with a lot of the EU produced before, or there was so many stuff involving the construction of the Death Star and who stole the plans it was schizoprhenic. Here it can run smoothly. I hope.
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>>81156849
You'd think that the core market by now would be strong enough to just buy anything see: R2D2 catheter and get bolder in trying to reel in more people.

>>81156859
The contradictions wouldn't happen if the internal database of Disney would be coherent and the writers would be invested enough in their craft to do their research and not retell the same story over with only minimal change. But I might as well wish for a functioning star ship, I guess.
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>>81156859
>Here it can run smoothly. I hope.
It should be significantly more coherent than the Old EU. They're actually monitoring content when Lucas said he did not give a shit before. When he made TCW, things started to change.
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>>81156859
In a way, the canon reboot started all the way back when The Clone Wars cartoon started, it just wasn't official until a couple of years ago.
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>>81157057
Mr. Bones
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>>81156823
The old EU was a connected canon too, give or take. I see what you're saying, though, and I don't disagree but if they hadn't wiped shit off to start anew people would be confused by what and how all the old stuff does or doesn't fit in with the new stuff and in what way. Clearing it all removes any ambiguities and frees things to tie into the Star Wars world (with the sequel trilogy in mind) however they want or need to.
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>>81157057
Outside of some really blatant and awkward irl references Medstar and Coruscant Nights were treasures of the last days of EU novels.
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>>81156209
thanks!
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>>81157057
I love how they always tried their best but they had simply the worst decision making algorhythm possible.
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>>81157057
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>>81157057
Why did the CIS decide give these wood grain finish?
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>>81157181
Medstar was a cool M.A.S.H. in space, I agree.

The Legacy comics were cool IMO too (I didn't like the Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi books), and had cool ideas like the Fel Empire and its Imperial knights, and the Legacy II comics started great too. Too bad the end of the EU came before it went anywhere or we never witnessed the moment Jag became emperor.
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>>81157258
The nubby feet are so adorable on this trash can.
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>>81155470
You're asking why the main cast didn't do an in-depth search for a redshirt? The Phoenix Squad is sadly not that important in the grand scheme of things in Rebels and are on par with Imperial mooks to show that death is a thing that happens in war but they are so unimportant that it doesn't really matter. The Ghost Crew doesn't seem to care for them all that much.

Which really sucks because I would have hoped a ragtag squad of rebel pilots would have some stories to tell, since we are only 4 years away from ANH. Plus I wanted to see some A-Wings in action, instead of getting destroyed all the damn time.
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>>81155598
>his little cousin
wouldn't he sensed it tho?
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>>81157368
That's a pretty pretty crude and GONK thought.
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>>81156138
that is the revalation. Everything Maz says should be a hint to that.
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>>81157424

I think if its one thing that Rebels has lacked was that fraternal feeling the Clone Troopers had. Those soldiers died left and right in TCW, but each actually had a bit of personality.

I'm sure its because of the writers wanting to focus on the main cast. Its probably difficult to have a ton of side-characters who would pop in now and then only to be killed.
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>>81153396

So what happens to Ahsoka that she's never even mentioned in IV-VI?
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>>81157554
If only the entire cast would be developed. Sabine has gotten so little time to develop her beyond what we've already known.
And that the death toll would be addressed, but between everyone on bord save Ezra has some war trauma to some degree, and Sabine is just a callous Mando.
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>>81157496
Vader ran into his daughter in ANH and he never realised it.

Even more if the "mind probe" he talks about with Tarkin is the same kind of power Kylo Ren uses on Rey.
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>>81154324
they're not bad. Luke, Leia, and Han all started out kind of shaky in Episode 4 in my opinion. I want to see how Finn and Rey mature as character in the next two movies.
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>>81157554

It's not even that really, in Siege of Lothal Kanan's big gripe about joining the proto-Rebellion was the fact he had to work with other people and be part of another army again. But it almost becomes a non-issue because we never really see the Ghost Crew actually work that closer to Sato's fleet, they do missions for them and cover for them when it's time to fight the Empire that week, but you don't see them talking to one another in their down moments or the GC knowing who the other people are in their team.

The Ghost Crew feels like a team of mercs that are far removed from the Fleet and are usually doing missions ahead of Phoenix Squad, we see them together with them physically on a few occasions during a battle and after a battle, but never close as partners or teammates.
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>>81153553
Because Disney is trying to avoid the mistakes of the old EU by not having writers constantly stepping over each other.

Were definitely not getting any material there until the script for IX is final.
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>better version of Kylo Ren
but we already had that.
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>>81157674
I liked Sabine, but she's just not really a character, besides her Mando Warrior tendencies for violence. Which is ok, but we don't really know what her past was and what happened to her parents or her time in the academy. The only thing we do know was that she was friends with a bounty hunter and was one, until she was betrayed by Ketsu.
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>>81154324
Yeah. In the movie, Rey learns to trust Finn because he relies on her so much. However, Finn just trusts her immediately. The relationships shouldn't be so forced, so they should learn to trust each other in ANH.

If they could copy anything from ANH, I wished it was the character interactions.
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>>81157057

imo the most underused character in the canon Star Wars saga.

I want to see IG-88B appear in Rebels or something and absolutely wreck
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Are the Duros and Nemoidians still related?
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>>81157057
:^)
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>>81158006
They're not that similar aside from the obvious Skywalker-Solo offspring is a prick thing.
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>>81157667
Dead.
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>>81158203
>the droid revolution will never be cannon
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>>81154029
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>>81155324
>Finn went from "the villagers killed my friend, now I hate war" to "yee haw, I'm shooting all my co-workers, this is so cool!" in no time at all.
He didn't want to be a stormtrooper and was experiencing the rush of life and survival when he thought he had little chance of victory, it was appropriate.

>They flew the falcon into space, and thirty seconds later they're hidden from the enemy fleet?
Did they go into hyperdrive? I need to download that new higher quality release since I don't remember.
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>>81158006

In terms of design, yeah. Jason was better than Kylo. But even I'll go to say that Kylo's a better character than Jacen. Or at least hasn't gotten as shitty as Jacen yet.
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>>81156673
It unfortunately also says develop
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>>81155502
post the pic of her suit, I don't sight it
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>>81155470
rebel pilots grow on trees, they have plenty of them
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>>81154635
I liked it better than TPM and AotC as a whole ( but likes some AotC scenes more). So third worst for me.
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>>81154195
>luke skywalker's hot black son
canon
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>>81158055
At firt she just beat him up, and he prefers to lie and make her believe he's a Resistance fighter than reveal he's a stormtrooper. So I'd say he didn't trust her initially.

But after that they're too busy running for their lives, then he relies on her to pilot the Falcon (he can't do that himself), and she's the second person to not treat him like shit (the first one being Poe, but he believe he's dead), for example congratulating him for his shooting as much as he congratulates her for her piloting. Plus she can be cute too. I mean, he became quicly best bro with Poe, who was also just genuinely nice and gave him a name.

Also I kinda think his decision to rush to help her when she was attacked by the thugs was his first selfless one as a free man (freeing Poe was selfish as he needed a pilot).

Rey at first believe he's a Resistance fighter, and he's the first one to care enough to even ask her if she's okay. Then, yeah, adventure shenanigans but I think like with BB-8 (she does rescue him, but she deosn't want at first to let him go with her before becoming very protective of the little droid) or Han (a few hours after meeting him she starts to see him as the Father she never had), even if she's a loner she's so desperate for a belonging that if anyone manage to pierce her cold exterior she became quickly emotionally attached to them. She is devastated when he leaves her (she doesn't even care if he's a stormtrooper at this point). Plus in the end, it was his idea to come back for her, the only thing she ever wanted.
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>>81158663
>Did they go into hyperdrive? I need to download that new higher quality release since I don't remember.
Nah, I recall that the hyperdrive wasn't working.
One of those magical components Rey takes a part later in the movie.

They just flew off Jakku and then got caught by Han's tractor beam.
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>>81157674
Sabine is deliberately left in the dark. She has some troubling history that I'm sure we'll discover.

She keeps to herself and is cautious of authority. That episode where she questions Hera is her highlight. There's something about her that I don't like. I'm not saying shes a traitor but her loyalty is not to the Rebellion. Not 100%
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>>81158674
>In terms of design, yeah. Jason was better than Kylo.
Eh. I don't see how.
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>>81159313
Jacen's hotter.
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>>81159487
He's also pretty generic looking.
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>>81159313


Pretty much this >>81159487 is what I meant. Kylo/Driver looks weird as all hell.
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>>81158982
Well, we know she from Mandalore, her mother was part of Death Watch, and she was in an Imperial Academy before having a (brief, really, she's what, 17?) career as a bounty hunter before joining the Rebellion.

She doesn't like the Empire, and as a Mandolarian she likes to fight, but doesn't like authority. Except when she's the one bossing around.

I don't think she's a traitor. Mandalorian honor and all that jizz. However with Kanan and Ezra leaving, and the Rebellion becoming bigger and bigger, maybe she'll want to leave to leave to. Unlike Hera who's an idealist, or Zeb whose species got genocided, she doesn't have much reasons to stay.
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>>81159557
Yeah, and that's good, because Han Solo's maladjusted son who killed his classmates being generic Hollywood pretty wouldn't mix.
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>>81159625
Honestly, while he's not a pretty guy, he's not ugly IMO. He's just normal.

And I think it's the point. He doesn't look like a monster. He doesn't look like an angel. He just look like a normal guy who one morning went to school and killed everyone.
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>>81159557
I kinda wish they switched Kylo and Hux's actors. Come to think of it, switching Finn and Poe's actors might've been cool too.
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>>81159711
>Honestly, while he's not a pretty guy, he's not ugly IMO. He's just normal.
Eh, I'd say he's on the lower end of attractiveness.
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>>81159711
Yeah, I'm glad with that reasoning and casting choice. But I'm also partial to Driver's looks, though I understand that they're not everyone's cup of tea.

>>81159800
Should I start posting some male models? Attractiveness is funny, even if you're somewhat ugly if you got confidence behind it you can make it work.
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>>81159625
>because Han Solo's maladjusted son who killed his classmates
It's a fairy tale and we have a beautiful scavenger already, literally no reason not to have a beautiful dark prince.
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>>81159886
>Should I start posting some male models?
Yes, please.
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>>81159886
Sometime having an unique yet aesthetically pleasing face works better in your favour rather than conventionally attractive features. Driver definitely has a memorable appearance.
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This Kylo Ren concept art made him look pretty hot, at least.
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>>81159909
Who cares? Driver's a good actor and plays the part believably. There's plenty of stuff all over the Internet for you to jerk off to. He's not that bad looking anyway, just distinct.
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>>81158653
she needed more rule 34.
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>>81159909
Beauty is subjective, otherwsie we wouldn't have the eternal "Rey is a goblin" meme thrown around. Hell, the TFA cast ist just "regular people attractive" for me. Not glamourous, but that'd be to boring for me as well.

>>81160002
Don't want to derail the thread, so I'll leave it at this beautiful lizard man and a link to a blog cataloging male models
http://trashyprinces.tumblr.com/
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>>81159886
Guys on this site don't understand that having a genuine personality is very important. Making fun of how someone looks to me seems like an attempt to cope with similar looks. Except, their personalities are fucking rotten, so it's not their looks after all.
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>>81160245
HE HAS THREE ARMS
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>>81160323

The pink-nailed hand is very clearly not one of his.
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>>81160245
>so I'll leave it at this beautiful lizard man
Hey, don't insult lizard men.

Though I will say his complexion looks nice. Though is he related to Cumberbatch? Also, I went through the first two pages of that, and most of them looked pretty good. To my possibly shit taste, at least.
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>>81160383
I want Bossk to fuck my ass with his weird lizard dick
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>>81157057
Love tactical droids. It's refreshing to see a serious model that are actually intelligent. Especially compared to the b1 droids and most other separatist models
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>>81160245
Again out of all these pictures the ones that have something interesting about how they look stand out for me much more rather than the ones that are more generically pretty.
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>>81153978
that's from the Light Side missions, right? You need an attack that stuns, i used the ultimate where you leap and hurt everyone around who you target
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>>81160451
We are of the same mind, friend.
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>>81156444
>even lego Finn is sweating

Top kek
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>>81160383
The name of the guy is in the filename and he isn't; I guess it depends on what you find personally attractive, and the models there are generally mainstream with their sharp, pronounced features.

>>81160322
Yeah, if you're willing to accept your own uglyness and are able to take care of yourself and others you're already better off than an attractive asshole or an ugly asshole. But then there's the whole pick-up artist build around making the impression of that instead of understanding it. Crazy world!

>>81160462
It's also linked to how much your taste evolve, and how much you expose yourself to different looks and kinds of beauty.

And with all that out of the way, wanting to fuck a humanoid alien is less weird in retrospect.
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>>81160114
Acting is hardly important for these flicks though. Ridley was beautiful, did the bare minimum and it was fine. Driver killed it and it was fine. Boyega did a fine job, too. But I still want more cuter actors for Kylo and Finn. Just my thoughts.

>There's plenty of stuff all over the Internet for you to jerk off to
wew lad
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>>81157057
muh dick
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>>81160824
Droids are not for sexual
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>>81161253
It's weird that non-humanoids would get themselves a humanoid sex bot, I want to see the reverse in media at least once.
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>>81158717
I said they cut the scene.
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>>81161253
Suuuure...
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>>81161391
Wookiee droid when?
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>>81157057
Droidekas a best, other droids need not apply
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>>81161542
Just put a fursuit on a human giant/pau'an one.
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>>81160361
Of course it isn't.
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>>81157057
I like Treadwell Droids, but I am a bit weird.
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>>81161845
They look like a robot bouquet.
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>>81157708
>Even more if the "mind probe" he talks about with Tarkin is the same kind of power Kylo Ren uses on Rey.
He displays the mind probe technique in TCW so he has the skill, but he may have been referring to the droid.

Kylo seems to know who she is already, the evidence seems to be there.
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will sheev appear next season
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>>81162332
Yes, Sheev and the Sheevanites will appear in a cantina as an A capella group.
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>>81153416
No.
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>>81163156
don't talk to me ever again.
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>>81163339
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I've seen TFA four times now, I really dislike Daisy's overacting.
She's definitely one of the weaker parts of the movie.
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>hera will never die

:(
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>>81163548
>hera will never die
:)
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>>81160456
I saw the Tactical Droid in a WEG book the other day. Well, not exactly, it was apparently a spaceport control droid but the design was definitely the inspiration for the Tactical Droid. The torso assembly was near-identical. I'm not sure if it was film concept art or WEG original though.
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>>81153396
Is he force-choking their child to death inside her? That's fucked up.
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>>81160824
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Last one for now.
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>>81161501
Then how do you know about it?
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>>81163504
Also, there should have been more Finn and Poe together, they really had more chemistry than John had with Daisy.
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>>81163504
I thought apart from her dumb accent she was fine.
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>>81155470
The rebels are called scum for a reason.
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>>81158653
This really annoyed me, they take the trouble of giving her a redemption arc and then...whoops, no happy ending for you.
Sure they're the Empire and they're evil but showing successful defections would've been a good reason the Rebels started to gain more traction in a short amount of time (rather than just going on their mosquito raids). All that extra access to classified intel.
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>>81163671
One of the guys from the crew said so on Twitter. Someone posted a screenshot of it in one of the previous threads.
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>>81163620
Love me some Utapau.
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>>81163671
Some guy tweeted about it. Disney censored that scene.
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>>81163698
Oh man, yes. Making Poe disappear for a good chunk of the movie was a really bad mistake.
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>30 seconds of plot/character development
>22 minutes of filler

wow what a great not pointless episode!

>hey remember that time we were attacked by space spiders?
>No.

GREAT FUCKING EPISODE! 10/10
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>>81163651
>no arms
>no legs
>cock and balls on fire
That would send anyone to the dark side.
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>>81163775
>>81163759

>dude it's like lost to the ether!

fuck off
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>>81163617
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Reminder that Vader still has these and will toss them on Ahsoka's corpse once he's finished with her.
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>>81163567

>that overhead shot
>Anakin's robe billows out like Vader's cape
>Anakin's hood looks like the top of Vader's helmet

Holy shit
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>post yfw hearing this tune in the Old Master trailer
http://youtu.be/JwGBW8V_h_8
I love this fucking show
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>>81163844
Fuck you.
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>>81164011
People often forget the poetic torrent of greatness that was episode 3.
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>>81164062
>literally says I'm kidding

are you retarded or is this a put on?
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is this video offensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klOtyVLeAHM
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>>81164137
I'm retarded, For you.
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>>81164143
delet this
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>>81164183
Haha, that's /tv/!
>bududududa-da
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>>81164220
What a cute bat. Wanna play a round of "can't believe it's from earth"?
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>>81153416
TFA for me didn't FEEL like a Star Wars movie. I mean, the way it was directed (like the long scene showing Rey's life at the beginning with no dialogue), the way the camera moved or shot angles, even the FPS rate (which I have never cared about until now) makes TFA look more like a sci-fi action film rather than an actual Star Wars Episode.

Why and HOW would Han Solo gamble away the Millenium Falcon? I mean, best case it would still be in his possession, worst case it should be in a museum on Coruscant or in a Republic garage somewhere.

Also, ALL THE CGI. Doesn't bother me usually, but considering this is supposed to be the movie where it supposed to appeal 150% to the oldfags, the starfighter scenes, the Starkiller Base stuff, and Maz Kanata, who could have been done with puppetry, is also completely CGI.

Kinda noticing a lot of the oldschool fans are a lot kinder to TFA than the prequels.

And, no, while I do like the prequels, I don't think they're superior, they definitely have a lot of issues. But unlike TFA, they FEEL like Star Wars.
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>>81164282
that's not a bat, that's Kylo.
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>>81164264
You sound butthurt.
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>>81163819
I legitimately wonder what happened to Vader's dick at times. Is his plumbing functional?
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>>81164282
No, this is.
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>>81164419
Bionic cock.
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>>81164440
meant for >>81164354

>>81164419
We can safely assume that it's been thoroughly toasted
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>>81164143
enjoy the downvote ;)
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>>81164011

We're in the business of pottery, son.

>>81164419

Seared right off, I always thought. He probably has a catheter or something in the suit. Poor guy.
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>>81164337
>TFA look more like a sci-fi action film
That's JJ for you.
He did the same thing to Star Trek, and the trekkies have been mad ever since.
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>>81164337
You were seriously expecting them to use long outdated techniques in a 2015 movie? They were trying to appeal to oldfags sure, but they weren't gonna not use the latest(and IMO better) techniques and technology.
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>>81164379
It was a joke about baneposting, in reference to a generic sitcom catch phrase, lighten up.
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>>81164337
>Why and HOW would Han Solo gamble away the Millenium Falcon?

I thought he said someone stole it.

>worst case it should be in a museum on Coruscant

If I remember correctly, Coruscant isn't in Republic space.
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>>81164694
I just recently got into Star Trek (been marathoning TNG with a friend) and I can see why. Star Trek isn't aabout action, not at all. I saw the trailer for Beyond, and I was like "dude, really?" For me, they're just popcorn films, so they don't bug me.

Also, technically speaking, would the Enterprise crew really be blasting Sabotage on the radio? That's like if a hummer full of 20-something dudebros were blasting Mozart or Bach on the stereo.

>>81164796
Well, I don't give a shit, personally, but didn't Disney almost promise something like that to appeal to all the OT fans?

I've always been of the opinion that Spielberg and Lucas would have used CGI instead of practical effects if they existed, or looked good enough, for the original trilogy.
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>>81164694
They are mad because he and Orci/Kurtzmann rebooted and tossed out everything including the Original, TNG and Ds9.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c95Q3kSl94c
>THEY MADE ANOTHER DEATH STAAARRRRR!?!?!?
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>>81165145
Surprisingly accurate
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>>81165016
No, but some of the marketing was pushing "PRACTICAL EFFECTS" to draw otfags in. They were always gonna use CGI alongside practical effects(similar to the prequels actually. TFA had more vfx shots than any one of the prequels).
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>>81165376
Why couldn't Han Solo have been freighting any of these aliens instead of the dang Rathtars?
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>>81165560
Because GRRR PREQUELS BAD
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>>81165606
I can't wait to see what Rian Johnston adds in Ep8. I heard he doesn't mind the prequels so out of all 3 directors he would be the most likely to add in bits from them and the OT
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>>81153416
It was pretty underwhelming.
I didn't hate it, but it wasn't what I was looking for in a sci-fi/fantasy action film.
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>>81165145
>UTTER TRASH
>4th best in series
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>>81165376
Noticed there was a frame or two I didn't remove before the Acklay appears. Should be fixed.
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>>81165737
This.
I have high hopes for Rian Johnson to do a bunch of new things.
The leaks only reinforce that!
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>>81166365
I always loved how vicious the Ackley and the Nexu were
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Why is TFA so earth-like?
They use the word boyfriend and there's even plastic wrapping around Rey's food plates she gets from Unkar Plutt.
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>>81166618
>The leaks only reinforce that!
I liked the one where Hux becomes the emperor and activates an order 66-ish in his stormies. Finn gets activated, too. Kylo gets captured by the Resistance, Rey goes with Snoke. Phasma joins the Resistance. Sounds cool desu. The guy who leaked it also leaked the BvS's plot which turned out to be true.
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>>81166648

Not canon, I know, but the Nexu were a massive bitch in SW: Bounty Hunter. Once they got a hold of you, you can't get free. You either have to be clever of the terrain, or blaster/poison dart snipe them from beyond their perception range.
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>>81166618
what leaks?
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>>81166925
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>>81166960
Why do all the new aliens look like Dr Who shit
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>>81153416
The more I talk about this more the more I hate it.
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>>81166804
DROID, PLEASE.
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>>81165737
I've said before that if Snoke actually does turn out to be Darth Plagueis, it'll be because of Rian Johnson.
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>>81167218
>if Snoke actually does turn out to be Darth Plagueis, it'll be because of Rian Johnson.

That doesn't really inspire confidence in Rian, anon.
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>>81167535
Why not? It makes sense.
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>>81155704
I have to agree. Even a kid raised on the "remastered" editions in the 90s, it was always the depth of the Death Star duel and the space battle that drew me.

I didn't care at all for the Ewoks. They could have all been stomped into the dirt and we still could have got a happy ending. A better ending, in fact.
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>>81167218
There was some panel where a fan asked about Darth Plagueis and no one knew who he was. Or so it seems.
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>>81156800
this gif gave me a seizure
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>>81166863
Sauce?
That sounds awesome.
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>>81155704
I love how low-key the final duel between Vader, Luke and Palps is. The galaxy is at war around them, ships exploding and crashing, an outright battle going down on the ground. The fate of the galaxy essentially hinges on an (almost calm) encounter between three very different men that takes place in a quiet and bare observation room.
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>>81167617

Lawrence Kasdan acted like he didn't know who Plagueis was. Abrams just sort of dodged the question in general with something about how they're only paying attention to the OT.

That doesn't mean Snoke isn't Plagueis, but I don't think he is. If he is Plagueis, it'd be kind of tragic, because it would mean the ending of ROTJ is COMPLETELY undone. At the very least, the Sith need to be extinct for good now. Let us just have that. The dark side doesn't need to be gone forever, but the Sith in particular do.
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>>81163460
Why is this meme re surging
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Can anyone post a link to the ss fiction?
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>>81167723
I want the sith to come back :(
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>>81167813
Me too anon. I enjoy their over the top dramatic evil edginess
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>>81157057
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>>81167710
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>>81167723
Yeah, he can't be a sith.
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>>81167908
Oh shit that sounds crazy.
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>>81165773
>4th best in series
>of 3 good movies and 3 terrible movies
wew, so hard to archive that
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>>81153396
Is it really so hard to make Ashoka a cum addict for Anakin's burnt mangled penis?
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>>81157057
There is only one correct answer
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>>81167908
My favorite part of these images is seeing people shit on the leak, but then it turns out to be true. Though it's curious why he doesn't bring up Snoke.
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>>81167723
I agree.

Snoke being Plagueis could be awesome to tie all the trilogy together. He was the master of Sidious, maybe created Anakin, and now he is trying to take back what was his: his creation (the Skywalker bloodline), the absolute control over the Force and his birthright to the Galaxy. And it is Anakin's descendant, Anakin's legacy, that have to fight him.

But Anakin destroyed the Sith. That was what he was destined to do (and in part why I hate that prophecy to begin with, it wasn't needed to tell Anakin's story and doesn't make sense when the Future is always in motion). So Snoke cannot be a sith, and thus he cannot be Plagueis.

Except, maybe, if the Chosen one wasn't supposed to be a singular being, and the Skywalker lineage are chosen ones, one after the other. But now I'm just rambling aimlessly.
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>>81167989
on the clone wars show? no
on the rebels show? yes maybe
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>>81168058
>rey confront snoke to ally to him
read again, you probably missed other things
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>>81168009
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/rogue-one-a-star-wars-storys-new-droid-sidekick-description-quick-sketches/
Reminder that HK-47 is going to be in Rogue One
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>>81168071

Aftermath suggested that Palpatine sent the Acolytes of the Beyond to seek out the source of the dark side in the Unknown Regions.

I hate what I'm about to suggest, but...what if Snoke is that source?
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>>81168009
How is HK landing a hit on someone 120km away? Real-time GPS tagging? The type of scope wouldn't even fucking matter at that distance.

Also, only shooting out the knees? If you can land that, just shoot the fucker in the head, you show-off killbot. Just shooting him in one or more knees from 120km away gives him ample time to escape unless HK's murderbot programming is really that good.
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>>81168174
It's a common theory that Snoke is the one hiding, but if Sheev can sense him then, and that Snoke is Plageiuis, how come he never noticed that he wasn't really dead.
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>>81168237
Maybe he is undead and cannot be sensed
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>>81168167
that doesnt look anything like hk 47
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>>81168167
Sounds more like a Dark Trooper, famorino.

49 wasn't gunmetal, but the 51s were.
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>>81167585
>Why not?

Because a Sith Lord being around AFTER ROTJ would completely ruin the whole point of Anakin Skywalker. The Sith are supposed to be extinct at this point. And don't give me that 'he left the order' horseshit. No one stops being a Sith but Vader. It's not in the nature of a Sith to forsake their teachings and give up the desire for power.

If Snoke does turn out to be Darth Plagueis, I'll drop starwars forever.

8/10. I'm butthurt.
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>>81168344
>No one stops being a Sith but Vader.
And Maul.
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>>81168174
Honestly, that'd suck.

As a source of the dark side, why not (as long as you consider powerful dark side user such as the Sih Lords as sources of the dark side). Maybe the Emperor felt someone powerful enough who could challenge him.

As THE source, it's moronic. You can't defeat the dark side permanently, only its manifestation like the Sth, the Empire or the First Order.
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>>81168191
Maybe the weapon fires a beam at light speed. That would make leading the target manageable. And we are talking about a droid here. Telescopes exist.
As for the kneecap thing, remember that he's talking about love when you complain about how irrational he's being.
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>>81168306
>>81168334
>Minor Clarification: I would say the enforcer droid is about 8ft tall.

It's a Dark Trooper reject, senpaitachi.
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>>81168344
I agree with you anon, but the biggest reason I hate this stupid fucking theory is the autists who think OMG THEY HAVE THE SAME MUSIC111!!!.
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>>81168374
Maul's goinf to die, Anon.

>>81168344
I agree, but only because of that bullshit prophecy. Without that Anakin's story of rise, fall and redemption works as well. Better, even.
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>>81168092
Having Ashoka joining Anakin and becoming his wife is the only cannon lore I'll accept in this shit IP.
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>>81168446
>>81168334
>>81168306
Guys! It's Superman obviously!
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>>81168174
>but...what if Snoke is that source?

I doubt it. The Son on Mortis was essentially a manifestation of the Dark Side and letting him free would've meant an almost galactic scale Armageddon. Snoke is free and he hasn't done a whole lot other than rallying a bunch of fanatic Imperials into a militant extremist faction.
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>>81168374
>And Maul.

Nope. Still a Sith Lord.
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>>81168412
>fires a beam at light speed
So small arms in the SW universe are now hyperspace-capable? In atmosphere even?

>Telescopes exist.
That can see over the fucking horizon?

>how irrational he's being
He's an assassin droid. His sole purpose is to maim and kill. There's nothing irrational about his behavior given his programming. I'm just wondering about the circumstances of his 120km semi-lethal Hail Mary.
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>>81168191
The point was "put someone in your target and together achive a purpose defying blablabla long odds".

It's impossible, or impractically hard? But when it's done, it's glorious? That's his definition.
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>>81168578
At literal light speed. At the speed of light.
As for the horizon thing, I always interpreted it as one or both parties being in orbit.
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>>81167908
Even if this is true it's retarded. Everyone suffered and died for the Empire to make a return anyway? What was the point of everything? It would be fine in another series but it seems so out of place here. It reminds me of the EU where the Sith came back again, and again.
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>>81168578

What you seem to be saying is that it's incredibly difficult if not outright impossible.

What we're saying is that's the fucking point of the analogy. It's the kind of thing you can't be assured of, you just have to try and hope that one-in-a-billion chance works out.
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>>81168678
That's what I was thinking, but how is the projectile supposed to maintain lightspeed in any medium besides vacuum?
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>>81168780
I>t's the kind of thing you can't be assured of, you just have to try and hope that one-in-a-billion chance works out.

Basically, yes.
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>>81168846
By not interacting with the air much, because it's in a wavelength that air is transparent in. Or by being a magical instantaneous Star Wars beam. Take your pick, really.
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I wonder how many times they will play the Imperial march melody in some form in the Finale.
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>>81168609
>>81168780

I get it: it's eyeing the needle in the haystack in a burning barn in a blizzard in an earthquake.

But how the fuck did he do it?
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The whole thing
>There can't be any sith after ROTJ is ridiculous
Are you trying to tell me that there are no sith artifacts left whatsoever?
It's highly improbable that there Wouldn't be someone to take up the sith teachings after a while.

I bet you people are the same who thinks every Jedi have to be dead for Luke to be the "last" Jedi.
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>>81168930
Every time Vader is on-screen.
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>>81168930

Can't imagine it'd be too many times. They usually roll out the march when there's a good number of imperials. In the finale, it seems to only bee the three Inquisitors and Vader. They'll probably do it at least twice I figure when Vader's in the midst of getting shit done.
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>>81168930
I hope Duel of the Fates makes it
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>>81168974

He never said he actually accomplished it. He simply proposed it as an analogy for love. It's not supposed to be literal. This is Star Wars. Everything is pottery.
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>>81169052
I'd cum.
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>>81169062
Oh okay.
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>>81169005
>take up the sith teachings
You're out of touch with the franchise. The Sith horde and keep knowledge to themselves. They pass it on to each other and then kill each other. They don't leave behind their teachings like the Jedi. There selfishness its a major part of their downfall.
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>>81169034

The Imperial March seems to me like it's mostly very much tied to Vader. While it has been used in other contexts to represent the Empire in general, the films generally use it for scenes where Vader is at least somewhere in the vicinity. The only real exception I can think of is the ending of Attack of the Clones, when we hear it over the sight of the clones getting into their transports.

Even though it often gets used for the Imperial fleet in ESB, Vader's leading the fleet, so he's there even though he's not onscreen.

So they can totally roll it out in Rebels for scenes with Vader, even if it's just the Inquisitors with him.
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>>81169005
The artifacts would be just that - artifacts. We've seen in the Lando comic that a bunch of Sith memorabilia exists, and can somehow corrupt people with the latent dark side influence in them. What it doesn't show is the ability for said artifacts to actually teach Sith knowledge to people, which is the whole process of becoming a Sith in the first place.
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>>81169052
>I hope Duel of the Fates

I don't. Duel of the Fates is supposed to represent the Jedi vs Sith. And Ahsoka is by no means a Jedi.
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>>81168174
And if that's what Luke is doing, dose that mean he will confront him in VIII?
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>>81169005
>I bet you people are the same who thinks every Jedi have to be dead for Luke to be the "last" Jedi.

At least those Yoda was aware of.

In 7 Luke is still the last Jedi. So somehow there can't be any other by that point.
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>>81169193
Kanan. He was promoted by Yoda himself and Ahsoka still can pick up where she left.
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>>81169224
What about Ezra and Kanan and Ahsoka?
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>>81169158
>The Imperial March seems to me like it's mostly very much tied to Vader.

And I can understand where you, and a great many people, see that. But none the less, it's the theme of the Empire, not Vader's theme. Otherwise it'd be called that.
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>>81169261

ded
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>>81169214

Luke was looking for the first Jedi Temple. Not the same thing.

But I imagine Luke will confront Snoke by the end of the ST, unless he gets killed first.
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>>81169261
They're going to die, one way or the other.

Ahsoka know Anakin is Vader. Don't you think if she hears there's a guy named Luke Skywalker, that won't ring a bell?

Also they are too much implicated in the Rebellion. Leia even met Kanan and Ezra. If they stay, Luke wouldn't need to go to Dagobah to be trained.
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>>81169261
>What about Ezra, Kanan and Ahsoka?
How is that so hard! God damn it, it's even less characters!
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>>81169005
The Sith(especially after Bane) hoarded knowledge to themselves, and passed it verbally. Most of their artifacts were likely destroyed by the Jedi. Even more that Sheev had collected were blown up by Lando.

This is unlike the Jedi, who had their knowledge safely stored in the Jedi Temple and Archives, which we know weren't wiped since the Inquisitors (at least, Grand Inky) used them to study lightsaber combat and knew that Kanan's master was Depa Bilaba.
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>>81169235
>Kanan.

There really isn't much build up between Kanan and Vader to justify DOTF.

>and Ahsoka still can pick up where she left.

I highly doubt she would want to though.


>>81169261
>What about Ezra and Kanan
Kanan's the only Jedi between the two, and he probably won't survive the series. Ezra's up in the air. He could die, or fail and never be knighted.

> Ahsoka?

Is actively NOT a Jedi. She's admitted as much herself.
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>>81169373
Dude, so did Yoda and Obi Wan know of Darth Vader's secret. That doesn't mean they will tell Luke just like Yoda and Obi Wan did. Yoda could easily contact Ahsoka and tell her not to say a word. Or Obi Wan can force ghost himself to Ahsoka telling her that it's not Luke's time to know.
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>>81169181
>somehow corrupt people with the latent dark side influence in them
I have a personal theory that those Sith artifacts are meant for a person with mastery of the Dark side and it enhances their strength. For a person with no grasp or knowledge of the Force, the artifacts turn one into a husk.

I think this is linked back to Sith immortality somehow.
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>>81169373

What if Ahsoka falls?
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>>81169701
What if Kanan becomes an Inquisitor?

Inky poetry right there, fallen Jedi and all
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>>81169701

Then she's dead. Most of us are of mind that Vader will kill her anyway.
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>>81169701
>>81169797
What if Ezra creates the knights of Ren?
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>>81169913
He would rather create Knights of Wren
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>>81164337
>Why and HOW would Han Solo gamble away the Millenium Falcon? I mean, best case it would still be in his possession, worst case it should be in a museum on Coruscant or in a Republic garage somewhere.

The Falcon wasn't his first ship and it wasn't his last. He won it from Lando, which tells us that it had history way before Han got it. The idea that it would continue to change hands between various smugglers through gambling, theft, and other unsavory means is just staying true to the Falcon.
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>>81169974
Can someone take out the one frame of Kanan it ruins the webm
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>>81164337
>Maz Kanata, who could have been done with puppetry, is also completely CGI.

Maz was going to be a puppet, but then something unexpected happened during production that made it impossible.
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>>81169992
If you know what I mean.
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>>81167899
I wish they would rerelease all the Lucas Learning games. Some were truly great like Droidworks and Pit Droids and Gungan Frontier but the kiddy games were good too. They integrated the learning aspect pretty well.

I bet every single one would run on a tablet now.
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>>81170052
>and it wasn't his last.

Um.. it almost kinda was?
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Why do I care more about the characters in the cartoons than the ones in the movies? Someone please help me understand this.
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>>81170090

Let me guess: they got the whole puppet put together, then Harrison Ford had an alzheimer's moment, tried to say hello to it, got pissed off when it wouldn't talk back, beat the shit out of it, and they didn't have the time or budget to make a new one?
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>>81170179
Who own the Falcon, now? Chewbacca, or Rey (she stole it from Unkar after all)?
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>>81170201
You get more time with them. The movie characters require a lot of interpretation and scrutinizing by comparison.
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>>81170201
More time to establish/develop characters in a show than a movie.
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>>81170075
>implying Kanan ruins anything

Not on your life. He's the only reason to watch the show.
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>>81167908
How would they even have gotten hold of Kylo, though? It's weird that he acts like it's something that happens early on, which really doesn't follow. Any capture scene with him would be a climactic thing. And what was Snoke doing the whole time?
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>>81170075
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>>81170201
If you're talking TFA, I'd hope that a cartoon with multiple episodes with these characters would make you care more than one movie did. You spend more time with characters in episodic things.
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>>81170155
>tfw have a copy of Gungan Frontier somewhere
>tfw it would probably work fine if not for the shitty quicktime video cutscenes that are mandatory for it to work
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>>81170344
>Kanan Juanus

Kanan is love, Kanan is life.

Kanan is what a Jedi ought to be.
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>>81170201

The prequels, put together, total approximately 6 hours and 55 minutes of running time.

The entire six-film saga totals 13 hours and 11 minutes.

The Clone Wars, movie and TV show taken together, not including the story reel, totals approximately 46 hours of running time.

The Clone Wars is more than 6 times as long as the prequel trilogy and more than 3 times as long as the film saga. You get a LOT more time with the characters, which gives them a lot more room to breathe and develop. The story doesn't have to focus on the highlights of their lives, it has enough time to show all the different dimensions of their personality.
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I think I would have appreciated The Force Awakens more if it had the traditional episodic logo. Don't know why but it just feels so much better
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>>81170531
Easier to market as just a new movie than a seventh installment
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>>81170531
bear in mind that ESB and ROTJ were marketed without their episode titles
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>>81170249
>Who own the Falcon, now?

I'd say Chewbacca. Yeah, Rey stole it, but it seemed to me that it kind of unquestionably went back to Solo.

>>81170455
>Kanan is what a Jedi ought to be.

That's a funny way of spelling Qui-gon.

>>81170531
>I think I would have appreciated The Force Awakens more if it had the traditional episodic logo.

I think many would as well. But remember, they were trying to appeal to a new audience of kids for this. Something for them to start off from. They didn't want to overwhelm them with everything that came before.

Hence no Episode VII: The Force Awakens
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>>81170624
I'm fully aware. I also grew up with the prequels though so I suppose i'm just used to these kinds of logos. It just makes the saga feel much more grand if we see "EPISODE VII: THE FORCE AWAKENS" instead of just "The Force Awakens"
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>>81170751
well you did see it in the actual movie

besides the TFA posters were shit anyway, the episode logo wouldn't save them for me
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>>81170751
It is in the crawl.
What saddens me more is that it's photo and not Struzan
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>>81170223

I think it had something to do with Ford's plane crash. Something about scheduling or whatever.
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>>81170832
What really pisses me off is they had Struzan do a convention exclusive TFA poster and not the final one.
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>>81170946
Wasn't he retired? He probably didn't want to get roped in for another two posters, so they picked being consistent instead.
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>>81170993
He is retired
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>>81170993
They could have just gotten a different artist to do the style.
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>>81170708
Too hard to be a Qui-Gon, I'd settle with being a Kanan.

Plus you can have a Twi'lek waifu instead of a filthy desert slave.
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post yfw ahsoka lives
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>>81171229
Being a Kanan also means you have an orphaned street rat adopted child with your Twi'lek waifu, and the rest of the Ghost Crew.
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>>81171237
Wouldn't it kind of suck if Ahsoka lives? That means she just fucked off and did nothing for years and years while her former master fucked the galaxy.
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>>81171229

Kanan is knight level. Qui-gon is master level.
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>>81171275
This. I need closure to her character
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>>81171275
>Wouldn't it kind of suck
That's the idea, yes. She would suck.
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>>81171275
>Wouldn't it kind of suck if Ahsoka lives?

Not if she dies by his hand later. I seriously doubt she'll survive the series. But I could see her living for another season at the most.
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>>81171237
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>>81171275
>Wouldn't it kind of suck if Luke/Leia/Han lives? That means he/she just fucked off and did nothing for years and years while the First Order fucked the galaxy.
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>>81171347
But that's exactly what happened. And it sucked. Well not Leia, she actually was trying to fight.

The only satisfying end to Ahsoka's story is her dying in an amazing fight.
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>>81171237
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>>81171318
>>81171275
>>81171386
This is the braindead level of creativity of modern /co/; they cannot comprehend a decent scenario in which a character does not die.
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>>81171237
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>>81171275
You assume that she would just go into hiding after this first encounter with Vader. What's stopping her from trying to fight him even more, should she live, or snackbar-ing herself at Vader in an vain attempt to kill him?
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>>81171435
What could be satisfying though? We know she plays no part in eventually defeating Vader. Which means she gave up, went off, and did nothing important. They're constrained by the details of the OT.
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>>81171480
I don't mean that she has to die in this first encounter with Vader, just that I think she must die at some point before the original trilogy begins.
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>>81171237

Surviving this encounter just means there's another one coming later with her name on it.

I can't deal with another year of anticipation. Just get it over with. Just let me go. Just let me start grieving so I can heal.
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>>81171496
An entire fucking galaxy of rebellion and we can't touch upon anything not shown in the OT?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INO6vkYh-5I
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>>81171496
Why can't she just give up? Put the swords down. Go away to the Outer Rim. Fall in love. Start a family.

She fought a war as a child, lost everything she loved, was betrayed by those she held dearest, then founded the body that would eventually play the long game and save the galaxy.

Heavens knows she deserves it.

She could be the Force wielder who rejected both the Jedi and the Sith. The one who was never defeated. The one who didn't sacrifice themselves. The one who knew when to call it a day.
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>>81171633
And Luke would be unaware of other Force-wielder in the Rebellion? Even when Leia knows them? And he wouldn't try to get some clues from them?
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>>81154195
Don't worry, anon. They can have a daughter for the next set of sequels who will become Darth Frey
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>>81171686
Anyway can do that, but if everyone does it the Empire wins with no opposition. Those who can, do.
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>>81171686
>She could be the Force wielder who rejected both the Jedi and the Sith.

Technically that's what she is at this point.


>Why can't she just give up? Put the swords down. Go away to the Outer Rim. Fall in love. Start a family.

>She fought a war as a child,

This. War does shit to you' man. She's left the Jedi, but it's seemingly not in her to stop. She's a fighter. It's all she knows. It's stuff like that why she probably wouldn't have made it in the Jedi Order anyway. From a certain point of view, perhaps, one could say she's still got too much Anakin in her.
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>>81171686
I wish that would happen anon, but we know it won't :,(
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>>81171686
She could. But I don't know, it feels wrong to have her just push herself out of everything. She doesn't feel like that kind of character, regardless of deserving a quiet life.
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>>81171686
>The one who knew when to call it a day.

But she can't, not when she knows the Empire is out there. She'll never be able to rest.
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>>81171435
Exactly

The relentless chanting that everyone in Rebels will die because "muh original trilogy" has been such a tired lazy argument for a while now.
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>>81171686
>troubled female character HAS to fall in love and have a family to make everything right
Shit end desu senpai
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Adults watch star wars rebels? What a world
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>>81171237
as a force ghost?
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>>81172231
At this point I think 98% of the audience are adults streaming it online.
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>>81172231
>Adults watch star wars? What a world
Fixed
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>>81172202
I've seen nothing that proves them wrong about it being unsatisfying any other way, though. Particularly with Ahsoka who is so involved with Anakin.
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>>81172231
Why do you think they are trying to soft reboot with TFA?
A franchise that started in the 70s is bound to have more adult fans than anything. And the Prequels have happened a decade ago too.
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>>81172231
>adults watch cartoons?

Yeah, shocker.
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Are there any pics of the Fallen Knight Set? Oroboro got it but he doesn't like looking at the armors or descriptions. Just R1 R1 R1....
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>>81172231
Parents of children that watch the show watch it with them? What a world
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>>81172488
I fucked up
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>>81172372
I actually concede this point. I'm just opposed to the "their not in the ot so they die" camp.

Anyway reasons they could survive, maybe they have to retire from the frontlines due to injury, maybe they decide to be more small time then bigtime in terms operations. They could also lose all identification with being rebels. It all started with them being a small cell now they are like six out of a huge fighting force.

In all honesty though I think the show wants to build up the crews family values and in the endgame they all split up and it's sad so it's death without death.

Kanan dies before that though
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>>81172231
Oh, what a world! What a world!
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>>81160195
There's a fair amount for such a "who" character.
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>>81171496
People said the same to justify why Ahsoka had to die before ROTS. It's likely she won't survive now, but never say never.
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>>81172788
The show does a lot of things that make total sense.

Showing how the rebellion started is perfect for worldbuilding purposes in general and closes the gap between TCW and ANH.

The whole family values thing is due to the whole of SW being about family imo. And it makes it relatable to everyone, adults and children alike, since it's universal.

Why do Rex and Asokha and Maul from TCW show up? Closure. I get that too. There were stories left to tell.

But we also got these other two, new Jedi Characters. Why? Why would you make a show about Jedi when you know in ANH there are basically just Yoda and Kenobi left, and when Luke finishes his training the film it happens in is titled 'The Return of the Jedi'.
That a failed apprentice to Darth Vader no less is mentoring the other two Jedi is also kind of telling. Especially since we know they won't be able to win against Vader or redeem him since that is Luke's story.

So were do these two characters end up?
Post Order 66, without the Republic the Jedi were nothing more than a faded memory. It's interesting to explore what that did to Kanan. And without the structure of the Jedi Order we also see two side of the same coin. Ezra is kind of what Kanan could have been, since we know they are pretty similar.
So maybe it's a piece of pottery about generations, circumstances and possibilites. We can pretty safely assume that Ezra is gonna struggle with the Dark Side again, he did it before.

Well. That's kind of a long winded way of saying, 'Why would they put Jedi into a show about the beginning of the Rebellion?'
I have enough confidence in Filoni to trust that he knows what he is doing. He's gotta have an endgame of some kind.
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>>81172068
>Ahsoka confronts Vader
>Join me, my former Apprentice, and together we can rule the galaxy as Master and Snips!
>I'll never join you!
>Force chokes her
>Darth Maul steps in, basically fulfilling Obi-Wan's role in Episode III
>Kanan and Ezra escape with Ahsoka
>Medical droid says she'd preggers with twins
>Rex is the father
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>>81173348
I'm gonna be heartbroken when Vader kills Rex as he heroically sacrifices himself.
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>>81173444
>a glowing potato is all that Kallus has
kek
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>>81173562
Maybe he's got a few magazines under his bed too.
Still a pretty lonely existence.
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>>81173690
Rodian schoolgirls best schoolgirls
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>>81173690
here anon
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>>81173281
>But we also got these other two, new Jedi Characters. Why? Why would you make a show about Jedi when you know in ANH there are basically just Yoda and Kenobi left, and when Luke finishes his training the film it happens in is titled 'The Return of the Jedi'.
>That a failed apprentice to Darth Vader no less is mentoring the other two Jedi is also kind of telling. Especially since we know they won't be able to win against Vader or redeem him since that is Luke's story.

I think how they handle the inquisitors hunting down the ghost crew next season will be very telling in terms what they will do.

If they keep hunting a resolution will have to happen ala the finales in season 1 and season 2 and theres only so many times the empire will handle failure and by this time the finales would be stale as well so somebody is gonna have to die. but if the inquisitors were to back off I think the writers could eventually write the characters into a happy ending waiting for the new hope.
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>>81173821
Would you?

I would.
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>>81173348
>Join me, my former Apprentice, and together we can rule the galaxy as Master and Snips!

Everything's good except this. Vader want's her dead. Not to join him.

>>81173281
>and when Luke finishes his training

His training was FAR from complete.
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>>81174032
>His training was FAR from complete.
Pretty sure Yoda says 'A Jedi Knight you are.' before he croaks.
Obviously Luke doesn't know everything there is to know, but he knows all Yoda can teach him.
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>>81174032
>Vader want's her dead. Not to join him.
You don't know what Vader wants. You do know his boss said to bring her before him. he fucks this up he's not getting that christmas bonus, then he can't afford a shopvac to finally get the sand out of his armor that Sheev slipped in during his Episode III conversion scene.
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>>81174217
Yoda says a lot of shit, some of it a bit contradictory. He says that Luke doesn't require any more training (presumably for the purpose destiny laid out for him, though you think it would have been nice to teach him those sweet anti-lightning techniques that technically didn't exist at the time). But when Luke says he's a Jedi now Yoda tells him not yet. He must confront Vader for the final time to complete his training.

But then Yoda says when he is gone Luke will be the last of the Jedi, so go figure.
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>>81174032
>>81174315

>Vader want's her dead. Not to join him.
This actually reminds me, when Vader offers Luke to join him was that Vader wanting to be around his son or was that some Rule of 2 shit?
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>>81171283
I wonder how Caleb Dume would have fared as Qui-gon Jinn's padawan.
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>>81174475
>But then Yoda says when he is gone Luke will be the last of the Jedi, so go figure.
Uh, yeah. Will be. There's no real contradiction there.
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>>81174484
Vader and Sidious already agreed to try to convert him in ESB, then Sidious again tells Vader to bring Luke before him.

In short, though, it's odd. I mean both men straight up had plans to use Luke to help kill the other. Vader wanted Luke to rule beside him, the Emperor wanted Luke to take Vader's place at his side.The thing is they both had to know that was coming, but they played it out anyway.
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>>81174585
The conditional in that sentence was on Yoda dying, so yeah it's a minor enough contradiction.
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>>81173821
>>81173944
>tfw you begin to wonder what a bj from a rodian would be like
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>>81174644
I don't read that line as suggesting Luke is already a Jedi, though. He's merely stating that Luke will be the last one.
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>>81174777
It didn't say he's already a Jedi, it said when Yoda dies he will be.

Of course being a Jedi has been widened since then. Padawans are Jedi, albeit Jedi whose continued membership hinges on them completing their training to the Council's satisfaction. The OT towards the end didn't put much stress on the Knight rank.
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>>81174777
>>81174889
It's a silly thing to argue about. Wider context Luke will be the last of the Jedi when Yoda dies, but he still has to face Vader. Boom, done.

Now let's get back to talking about Ahsoka and Rex making babies.
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>>81174217

No, he says that Luke is not yet a Jedi Knight.

He DOES say "Nothing more can I teach you. Already know you that which you need."

But then he says that to truly be a Jedi, Luke must confront Vader. His training is not yet complete without that.
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>>81174925
The funny thing about this (and I think it IS funny, from a certain point of view) is due to how the franchise has ultimately been shaped, if Luke ever finds out about techniques to block lightning he's going to have some pretty angry words with Yoda's ghost.

It also makes you wonder what Yoda can sense of the future and how he determines, presumably from what he senses, how much Luke has to learn.

More serious note, it's curious how Yoda was supposedly taught to become a ghost because he had to train Luke. But why? Was it a contingency in case Yoda died? Ghosts are beyond time and space, so they should see exactly what happens, though. So was it a gift for what Yoda did? Or were they preserving his spirit for something to come? He was told he must train the one who is to balance the Force, which as of TFA still hasn't been properly balanced (the Sith are gone but the damage they did yet remains and requires, supposedly, Jedi to heal it).

So is it possible that within these sequels Rey will end up being taught by Ghost Yoda? How do people feel about that possibility?
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>>81174591
I was just talking about this with my wife today. Both Vader and the emperor know that with Luke in the equation one of them is going to die. I love that both of them accept this turn of events as fate. That dynamic is probably my favorite part of star wars.
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>>81157057
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>>81175241
The Emperor didn't start electrocuting Luke until after Luke had thrown down his weapon.

Agreed about the ghost stuff though. That episode left me asking precisely the same questions.
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>>81175317
I wonder about this as a chicken and egg situation, namely did Lucas already have a firm understanding of the Rule of Two and how Sith Masters and Apprentices behave, or was Vader and the Emperor seeking to use Luke for their own benefit a natural situation for men of power using another young, barely trained Skywalker who has enormous potential?

Did the way they treat Luke carry over into the evolution of the Rule of Two or was it always a concept Lucas had for the way Sith behave?

Given how often Lucas changes his mind and refines his views over Star Wars VERY long and storied history I'm inclined to feel it's the latter.
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>>81160824
>>81168009
It's like the best of both worlds. Shame the game was kind of shit and she was horribly underused.
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>>81175480
Yoda could kung-fu lightning with his bare hands.

Curiously the Wook (yeah yeah, those guys) used to, and maybe still do, claim that Luke trying to do this with some success at the start of the Emperor's attack. Frankly I never saw it myself, and given defending against lightning came later I'm convinced they were just seeing what they wanted to see.
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>>81175544
Hmm, good point. Only Yoda was ever shown to do that though so maybe Luke wasn't at that point yet. His training wasn't complete after all when he left.

Anyway, even assuming Yoda could have taught him the technique I figure Luke is making a point by then right? That's why he tosses his weapon aside in the first place. He's completely rejecting the emperor and essentially giving his dad an ultimatum.
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>>81174315
>You don't know what Vader wants.

Yes I do. Filoni has outright stated that Vader want's her dead because (like Obi-wan) she's living evidence that there was once Anakin Skywalker. They're breathing testaments to what he views as weak and pathetic soul who is long dead.

>>81174484
>was that Vader wanting to be around his son or was that some Rule of 2 shit?

Both. Vader's big Sith tendencies didn't kick in until he found out who Luke was.
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>GoH giving out free Poe shards
Neato.
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>>81175740
That was the idea.
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>>81175759
>Yes I do. Filoni has outright stated that Vader want's her dead because (like Obi-wan) she's living evidence that there was once Anakin Skywalker. They're breathing testaments to what he views as weak and pathetic soul who is long dead.

First off, you really believe the ruse master Darth Filonius? He won't tell you a goddamn thing about upcoming plot points, he certainly hasn't told you that Vader will absolutely murder Ahsoka when they next meet.

His point is that Vader has no more love left for Ahsoka. He blames her, he has hatred, but that doesn't mean he'll disobey the Emperor and kill her.
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>>81176083
Stop with your stupid Filonious meme. He wasn't talking solely about Ahsoka when it came to Vader's hatred for the Jedi. He also had to describe why Vader (should) hate Obi-Wan and Yoda, who are also on his enemy list alongside Ahsoka. Because of this, he had to mention, at least the minimum, of a reason as to why Ahsoka is on the list.
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>>81176083
>First off, you really believe the ruse master Darth Filonius?
His usual tactic is to withhold information, not to outright lie. I agree with your point that Vader isn't going to kill her if his master needs her alive, though.
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>>81175527
>and she was horribly underused.
>Practically a main character in the new expansion
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>>81176228
>Filonious meme
Calm down, relax, make yourself a cup of soothing tea. You'll enjoy the internet more when you aren't clenching your anus in rage every five minutes.

Filoni is notorious for not giving away plot secrets, even relatively minor things. The people he works with are very up front about this. He won't even let VAs know the fates of their characters. The most he's ever done, from what we've personally been told, is Ashley Eckstein and Dee Bradley Baker were giving a brief historical primer on where their characters have been since the Clone Wars. This was to allow them to craft how their presentations of their characters so it was considered necessary.
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>>81176279
He might. I wouldn't take anything off the table, but yeah it's not a given that he'll just go straight for beheading her.
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Why does Ahsoka fight in the Rebellion? The Core worlds are safe and sound under Imperial Rule (until the Death Star of course), while the Outer-Rim worlds are sexperiences the "tyranny", and even then it's only a handful of worlds. I assume she has no knowledge that the Emperor is an evil lord of the Sith, other words she would've told Kanan and Ezra by now. The only ones who know for sure are Obi-wan, Bail, and Yoda.Plus, keep in mind, these worlds she's fighting for are the same planets that were Separatists in The Clone Wars.

So it seems her only reason to fight is because the Empire happens to be aligned with the darkside, which only affects a few individuals out of trillions in the galaxy. Why raise an army for it?
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>>81176279
He prefers lies of omission and attempts to redirect the question. He tried this at first on the question of whether Ahsoka and Vader would need to fight, asking back, "Do they?" Well sure if both are alive and in the same show it's a given. If they don't meet, come into direct contact and conflict, that's a huge missed opportunity. Later on he was more forthcoming about it but he hasn't let slip anything about what will happen.
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>>81176564
>while the Outer-Rim worlds are sexperiences the "tyranny", and even then it's only a handful of worlds.
It's not just a handful, a majority of the Outer Rim is suffering because they're not getting the same benefits as the Core. If you mean that only a handful are getting absolutely assfucked, then yes. Keep in mind though that we're seeing whole races enslaved or wiped out as well.

>I assume she has no knowledge that the Emperor is an evil lord of the Sith, other words she would've told Kanan and Ezra by now
Possibly, though you'll also notice she hasn't told them Vader's identity, something she strongly suspected from the beginning of the season. She even pretended not to have any clue, despite looking clearly worried about what she had just felt.

>Plus, keep in mind, these worlds she's fighting for are the same planets that were Separatists in The Clone Wars.
Not all of them. But given that she knows that your average Separatist citizen had no idea about the top-level fuckery Dooku, Gunray, etc. were up to, I don't think Ahsoka is the type to go "well they were the enemy so fuck them, enjoy getting run over by the Empire faggots!"
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>>81176722
>But given that she knows that your average Separatist citizen had no idea about the top-level fuckery Dooku, Gunray, etc. were up to, I don't think Ahsoka is the type to go "well they were the enemy so fuck them, enjoy getting run over by the Empire faggots!"
Hell, we had an entire episode devoted to her realizing that not all Separatists are a bunch of General Grievouses and a lot of them are good people who have just been fooled into following the wrong leaders.
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I came across this old vid again released around the beginning of Rebels season 2 about Ahsoka and how she's grown as a character:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifRoDS3Xstg

It's interesting how they talk about the reactions to her leaving the Order never being answer, Filoni calling it his most asked question when working on Rebels, and about the huge fan reaction that followed her appearing in the show which caught them by surprise.

All these young kids dressed as Ahsoka, writing him to say that "Ahsoka is the best," how they're happy she's back...does this man have the heart to kill her? Dare he kill her?

It would make certain people here incredibly gleeful but those kids, would he risk upsetting them and turning them against his new show?
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>>81171398
underrated post
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>>81176564
Let's put it this way. The person she is, the things she's done in her life, her beliefs and conviction, do you really think she could live with herself if she didn't resist the Empire with every last fiber of her being? With every scrap of knowledge and training past on to her by the Jedi and especially her old Master, Anakin Skywalker?
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>>81176795
>not all Separatists are a bunch of General Grievouses and a lot of them are good people
Are you saying Grievous wasn't a lovely person?
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>>81176564
>Why raise an army for it?

>which only affects a few individuals out of trillions in the galaxy

Because it does affect trillions. The Outer Rim isn't some sparsely populated piece of nowhere. It's vastly populated. And the reason the Empire exists is to spread pain, suffering and death. Does she know THE dark lord of the Sith is it's ruler? Doubtful. But she knows the Sith are intimately associated with it by merit of the Inquisition and Vader. Why does she fight? Moral highground perhaps. But also because she's a soldier at heart. War is what she does best.

>these worlds she's fighting for are the same planets that were Separatists in The Clone Wars.
The CIS had plenty of worlds in the Galactic core and Mid Rim.
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>>81176876
>menacing a vulnerable young woman, pulling off her sheets, leaving her open to his leering eyes
Not really.
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>>81177063
Please. He's obviously pulling the covers slightly off so he can spy on her notebook to see if she said anything negative about him.
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>>81176613
The Filoni Ruse Cruise is always a fun and entertaining ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ZVdtqdEOE
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>>81176802
>does this man have the heart to kill her? Dare he kill her?

this is Darth Felony you are talking about, killing waifus is his job, but this is the ultimate test, to kill your own waifu...

I really wish noone dies this next episode, but the foreshadowing is so blatant, i'm not ready to lose any of them, Kanan, Ezra, Ahsoka, they are all great.
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>>81177342
Maybe because the foreshadowing is so strong it's what we're meant to believe but not what we'll get?

They're certainly capable of surprising us, but not sure they will. I'm just glad we don't have a Rebels themed Ahsoka Lego figure yet. Last season finale I'd just bought the Inquisitor's TIE. Boom, dead. Next I bought the new Ventress figure (circa the old Clone Wars) and that was the day Dark Disciple dropped and sure enough, boom, dead.

I swear, I'm cursed. A very strange curse but a curse nonetheless.
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>>81177480
Talking about foreshadowing, remember last rebels finale where everyone was declaring Kanan to be 100% dead and that Ezra would go full dark side?

Maybe this time it will happen.
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>>81153416
literally best star wars movie. Watched all recently and it blows the originals away
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>>81177342
>>81177480
>>81177545


Did you guys forget that Palpatine needs Ahsoka to lead him and Vader to more lost Jedi? This was literally in the beginning of the season!

Unless Palpatine calls for a hit on Ahsoka like he did with Ventress, Ahsoka's not going to die.
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>>81177614
They have been hunting jedi without much problem before with inkies and Vader, i see no reason Sheev or the empire needs Ahsoka alive.
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>>81177614
No, nobody has forgotten. Remember, though, that she is aware of Bail Organa. Remember too that she would rather die than be captured. If need be I think she's fully capable of stabbing herself with her own lightsaber.
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I just hope Maul and Vader will duel
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>>81177690
>>81177691

Let's recall that Vader's logic works like this:

1. Emperor Palpatine's orders is absolute. He obeys every command.

2. His hatred for Obi-Wan drives his desire to find and kill him

3. His suffering to his dead wife Padame (which will in turn turn into his obsession with his son Luke)

4. THEN it's Ahsoka and his failed relationship with her.
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>>81176564
>Why does Ahsoka fight in the Rebellion?
Because it's too delicious for her not to. She is the product of Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker's training. What she brings to the Rebellion, both her skills and what training she can offer, is a testament to the good man her Master was.

Some might scoff that she's working with Bail and is using this big codename of Fulcrum to hand out missions and recruit people to the cause, but I think it's exactly what she should be doing. It's like Anakin's goodness that he helped inspired before his fall is working to undo his works as Vader. Even if she dies now the damage will be done. What she's done has helped the foundation of the Rebellion.

The moment she was revealed as the Padawan of Anakin Skywalker she became part of his legacy, even while she achieved a legacy in her own right. Whatever else happens she is where it's most fitting she should be.
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>>81177820

>1. Emperor Palpatine's orders is absolute. He obeys every command.

>2. His hatred for Obi-Wan and Ahsoka drives his desire to find and kill them

3. His suffering to his dead wife Padame (which will in turn turn into his obsession with his son Luke)

Fixed.
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>>81177781
Meh. We got it in comic book form already.
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>>81177975
Pretty sure Obi-Wan is higher on Vader's shit list
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>>81177999
But it's nice to see things in animation.
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>>81177820
I don't know if it was Vader's overwhelming need to see Obi-Wan Kenobi dead, just that when they met it was all Vader had to offer him. There was no point for the Empire, Vader, or the Emperor in keeping Obi-Wan alive.

It may be a question of if Vader merely defeated Obi-Wan whether he would have brought him before the Emperor or just figured it wasn't worth keeping his old Master alive. At any rate I don't think he was actually expecting Obi-Wan to calmly stand there and goad his own death.

The way Obi-Wan chose to die pretty much robbed Anakin of the satisfaction. He didn't defeat his old Master, Obi-Wan simply let him live. Then something mysterious happened to his body that Vader couldn't figure out.
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>>81177999
We got Son of Dathomir. You know what? People were PISSED we never actually got an on-screen duel between Darth Maul and Grievous, or that final battle between Talzin and the Sith.
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>>81177975
>>81178077

He hates Obi Wan far more than he hates Ahsoka.

Obi Wan:
>Obi Wan literally betrays him
>Mocks Anakin's new Sith ways
>Fights Anakin
>Cuts his FUCKING ARM AND LEGS OFF
>Leaves him to burn near the lava of Mustafar
>Forced Anakin to wear that breathing apparatus suit

Ahsoka:

>got falsely accused for what Barriss did
>Left the Jedi Order because of their asshole behavior
>Anakin asks why
>Ahsoka says she needs to find her own path
>Anakin says he understands leaving
>sad, but understanding
>Ahsoka says she and Anakin meet one more time before Revenge of the Sith
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>>81178117
Yeah, but that's something that was meant to be animated to begin with. With Vader and Maul, the idea is literally Filoni going "this would be so cool!" and then trying to come up with a story around it. I'm just not that enthused about a fight that exists literally for fanservice.
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>>81160544

Came here to say this.

Wtf.
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>>81178048

Yeah, hence why I put her name after his. But more or less they mean the same to him. He want's them dead for the exact same reason.
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>>81178167
He says they talked about it, someone pointed out it was fanservice, and he said, "Yeah? So?" However he also says that the episode still evolved on it's own from there, so it's not like they forced it. We'll have to see what happens.
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>>81178196
Lightsabers are hot, dude. Like really hot. He can't help but sweat. Look at Rey, she's only not sweating because she's a weird UV resistant mutant and literally cannot be touched by such energy. Cannot tan a bit.
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>>81178166
>Obi-wan
>>Fights Anakin
>>Cuts his FUCKING ARM AND LEGS OFF
>>Leaves him to burn near the lava of Mustafar
>>Forced Anakin to wear that breathing apparatus suit

These he openly accepts as to what makes him stronger than what he was then. The other three I'll give you though.

Ahsoka:
>Abandons him.

I straight up agree that he has more reason to go after Kenobi than Ahsoka. But he still wants them for the same basic purpose.
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>Vader literally killed them all
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>>81178270
>Lightsabers are hot, dude. Like really hot.

Only if they come in contact with physical objects. Otherwise they don't really give off heat.
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>>81176320
What? Knights of the Fallen Empire? Or has there been something even newer I've missed. Either way, looks like I've fallen behind. Might be worth checking out. Thanks anon.
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>>81178347
Not Byph, surely?
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>>81178328
>These he openly accepts as to what makes him stronger than what he was then. The other three I'll give you though.

I don't think he does when Anakin outright says "I HATE YOU" right at Obi Wan. It's kind of obvious that he doesn't accept the fact that Obi Wan was able to do that to him.

>But he still wants them for the same basic purpose.

No, he wants Ahsoka alive long enough to lead him to Obi Wan. Once that is done, Vader will betray Ahsoka and try to kill her next.
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>>81178364
Now now, if that were true he wouldn't be sweaten. Stands to reason, anon.
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>>81178166
In one of the unfinished Clone Wars episodes (not sure which one), Anakin and Obi-Wan have a discussion about Ahsoka and he is basically furious that she left and calls her a disappointment.
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>>81178475
But Ahsoka says to Ezra that both Anakin and her met one more time after that series of episodes and right before Revenge of the Sith.

That easily means Anakin most likely got over that anger if Ahsoka didn't say anything about him being angry at her to Ezra.
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>>81178328
>These he openly accepts as to what makes him stronger than what he was then.
Yeah, but that's making lemonade out of lemons. He's stronger than he was then, but because of that he won't be as strong as he could've been.
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>>81178541
>That easily means Anakin most likely got over that anger if Ahsoka didn't say anything about him being angry at her to Ezra.
Or she just doesn't want to go into the details. As it is, she didn't elaborate why she's not a Jedi anymore.
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>>81178557
How risky would it be to get cloned organs?
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>>81178587
I doubt she would have such a stained memory of Anakin before the end of the Clone Wars with Anakin going

>WHY DID YOU LEAVE?!??!
>...Bu-master, the Jedi were being assh-
>URGH JEDI ORDER YOUR HOME!!!!
>M-master, your scaring me...
>IN MY POINT OF VIEW, YOU ARE SCARING ME!!!

Doubt that would be a conversation both had.
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>>81178461
>Now now, if that were true he wouldn't be sweaten

I disagree. He was sweating because of constant physical motion. He was fighting. If a lightsaber blade is as hot as you say, he wouldn't be sweating, his skin would be flaking and blistering. It'd be almost impossible to even hold a lightsaber.
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>>81178653
Well no, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't still be some tension. For all we know their last conversation could've been

>So..
>So.
>How you been?
>Oh, you know.
>Yeah. So...
>Yeah...
>Hey, look, about what happened...
>Oh, sorry, Chancellor's been kidnapped, gotta go...
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>>81178712
There's a difference between sweating over a hot stove and actually cooking your own face.
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>>81178712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7aAXmvqRkg&feature=youtu.be
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>>81178712
You don't get it, anon. He's been holding that post ever since the posters dropped. It's both exertion from keeping still and the blade is really hot. This is like seriously tough to do.
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>>81178616

It's time consuming. If he got clone organs in an accelerated rate, that means they'd start failin sooner then they aught to. If they wanted proper organs (and possibly limbs), they'd have to make a proper unaltered clone.

Though I think just a flesh-donor would do just fine. Screw cloning. But in the end, I think Vader would decline. He believes the suit makes him better. And it kinda does.
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>>81178791
kek. haven't laughed in a while. thanks anon.
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>>81176564
>Plus, keep in mind, these worlds she's fighting for are the same planets that were Separatists in The Clone Wars.

I wish we could see some Separatists turned Rebels. Or hell, just plain old Separatists Holdouts who are still fighting against the Republic...er...Empire all this years later.

At least it would had some more to the usual Rebels = Good, Empire = Bad dynamic. The CIS holdouts could be a third, more gray faction.
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Do you think Ezra's been observant enough in watching Anakin's tapes to notice that Vader's style is awfully similar? Or put another way, are his eyes Tarkin-tier?
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One thing I've been personally interested in seeing is a post Return of the Jedi Luke meeting Asoka. Man that conversation would be awkward.

>>81179197
Anakin moved swiftly in his style. Vader is comparatively slow and brutish.
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>>81179197

That'd be cool, but I doubt it will happen. I had hoped something of the like would happen when Ahsoka fought Fifth-bro and /SS/. Was wishing they had commented afterward something like 'She fights like Lord Vader..".
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>>81172231
I had a Disney exec come into class. I started asking questions about Rebels but I had to pretend I had nephews who watched the show.
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>>81179426
Me too, I was sucking his cock but I stopped for a moment to ask him if he knew what would happen in season 3, you know, "for my nephew"

He just said "shut up fuckboy I'm not paying you to talk" so I didn't get any answers.
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>all the lightsaber colors in TCW and rebels are either blue, green, or red
>never any orange/yellow/purple shown save for windu and the temple guards
does this piss anyone else off?
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>>81179289
>Vader is comparatively slow and brutish.

Not in the new canon, anon. LOTS shows him as being every bit as swift and agile as he was before his prostheses. We just haven't seen him act this way on screen yet because Ezra, Kanan and Luke are so far below him he couldn't take them seriously. And there's this alleged looking for weakness in his second duel with Kenobi.
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>>81179475
Not really, no
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>>81179475
Nope
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>>81179289
He can have such a conversation within the Force. Probably.

They haven't really touched on much whether it is possible to have a conversation with the dead who isn't specifically a ghost. Can their consciousness, dormant, still be found within the Force? Can it be activated? I'm not talking about making a ghost but a vision that contains the essence, the spirit of the deceased, who they were before they died, and all without someone like Yoda pulling the strings?

The funny thing is if the Recon hadn't just come out and told us that all that Temple stuff was Yoda goofing with the Force then I'd have said it might be very possible. As it is, it's still one of those uncertainties that isn't overly certain, at all.
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>>81179482
>We just haven't seen him act this way on screen yet because Ezra, Kanan and Luke are so far below him he couldn't take them seriously
But aren't we discussing what Ezra has seen of him? He can't recognize Vader's faster movements if all he's seen is the slower version of his style.
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>>81179475
>does this piss anyone else off?
Why would it?
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>>81179475
>does this piss anyone else off?

Nope. Windu is supposed to have the only purple lightsaber anyway. Wouldn't have even been on film had Jackson not specifically requested it so he could point himself out during large battle scenes on Geonosis.
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>>81179482
Vader's depictions are still slow, menacing, not plodding but unhurried. I prefer this to Super Saiyan speed demon Vader because this way he comes off like a Force of nature. There is a certainty about his movements, the promise of the ruin to come. A tsunami wave can seem frighteningly slow but it has an enormous power behind it.

Now he can strike fast at times, sure, but overall he takes his time. Granted that was largely a limitation forced on them due to how cumbersome the Vader suit was and how well the actor could see from the helmet.
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>>81175489
>Given how often Lucas changes his mind and refines his views
Coupled with being unsatisfied with the OT and getting older, his perspective changed dramatically. Being a father, going through a divorce, financing your way without Hollywood probably shifted his opinions to hell and back.

Have you ever created something and made changes to it over the years? Modders do it all the time.
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>>81179539
>He can't recognize Vader's faster movements if all he's seen is the slower version of his style.

Indeed. I may have I misinterpreted >>81179289
as that he meant that Vader is limited to being slow and brutish.

But yes, as far as what Ezra's seen, I agree that it's enough for him to make comparison between Vader and Skywalker.
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>>81179289
I just mean like

>...and the technique
he displayed in wielding his crimson lightsaber, Tarkin grew more and more convinced that his suspicions were right.
Vader might very well be Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, whom Tarkin had fought beside during the Clone Wars, and for whom he had developed a grudging appreciation.
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>>81179627
I wouldn't say slow, but powerful and calculated. Vader can still be fast, but Vader doesn't really need the effort to have extra motions.
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>>81179627
>I prefer this to Super Saiyan speed demon Vader because this way he comes off like a Force of nature

I don't see how his being fast or not takes away from him being like a force of nature. I don't think his depictions are slow, but yes, he doesn't rush as he used to. For lack of a better way to put it, he looks before he leaps. Exercises more caution in his step to see and process the bigger picture. I don't think his prosthetics limit his movement as they did in the old EU.

But yeah, swift or steady, Vader is an unstoppable nightmare of which there is little to no chance of victory.
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>>81179468
It's not like I was asking for leaks. I just asked some questions about why the fuck they would put it on Disney XD. It was even admitted it was a retarded move and they're thinking about putting with the main network. But they're trying to profit by splitting boys and girls.
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>>81179693
>>81179866
It's not that his speed detracts from that, it's his unconcerned nature. You can run, you can try to hide, but you can't escape him.

Vader is the avalanche, the forest fire, the tsunami wave. These things actually can move quite fast, but they give the semblance of something that is building, growing, inevitable. This is the Vader from the OT and the Vader they've shown in Rebels. He IS a force of nature but he is rarely a lightning bolt.

It's all about screen presence, you see. Sure speed can look impressive but the unconcerned villain, well, there is something in that. Kylo Ren shows it too. He prefers a fast stalk. You see his opponents running more often. Kylo Ren is by no means slow but you'll notice that he wades into combat swiping your shots away. It's all about screen presence.
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>>81179289
>Anakin moved swiftly in his style. Vader is comparatively slow and brutish.
Tarkin, Lords Of The Sith and the Vader comics prove this incorrect. Still has Anakin's style. It's modified for the suit but it's unmistakably Anakin's.

>>81179627
Vader moves fast only when he has to. In LOTS, he's running mostly to defuse bombs and stop terrorists and fucking lyleks. But otherwise, he's an unstoppable murder machine. Read what happens to Cham's sister team.

I understand what you're saying but read Lords Of the Sith. I think Vader's fighting style is something you may enjoy.
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I wonder how durable Vader's suit is, because it'd be pretty awesome if instead of deflecting shots he just walked towards people soaking up the blaster bolts. Maybe he doesn't like it when people ruin his shine?
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>>81180129
>I understand what you're saying but read Lords Of the Sith. I think Vader's fighting style is something you may enjoy.
I have read it, but that's beside the point. How he is written in the book is at odds with his OT behavior. That's because the OT behavior, outside of a relatively few attacks he makes with his blade, often moving with extreme violence, he is seem as a much slower figure.

Lucas had a certain idea that he's passed down to his subordinates. Things like why he had Pre's vibroblade exchanged for the Dark Saber. He wasn't saying vibroblades don't exist, he just didn't want the lightsaber to be resisted on-screen by a non-lightsaber. He wanted to keep the visual importance of the weapons. He was by no means adverse to materials and weapons that could resist lightsabers. He'd approve of TR-8R's riot weapon for the same reason he did the magnaguard staves. He didn't care if vibroblades exist, he just didn't want them shown in TV or movies. It was the appearance that was important to him. Similarly while Vader can move fast and unencumbered - most of his limbs are cybernetic after all - it's all about how he appears on screen. They use slow and menacing with some minor bursts of speed.
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>>81180198
Dunno. People say he's weapon to sith lightning, but I have my doubts about that scene because Luke severed one of Vader's hands. If the suit had any protection against lightning, if it had any protection for his body, it was compromised the moment Luke exposed the wiring.
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>>81180554
>weapon
Weak to?
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>>81180292
>How he is written in the book is at odds with his OT behavior.

And I don't see this as a bad thing. I get what you mean though. Vader possesses this sort of inevitable looming presence. This hasn't escaped me. But I think that was something that was simply what was needed and fit in the moment of those specific depictions. I could easily imagine the same situations working for Darth Maul. I would not find it out of place or take away from the aesthetic quality of the character to see him in a quickened pace, in open battle mayhaps. Like what happened in that village on Ryloth. I don't see how this could make him not seem like an unstoppable force of nature.
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>>81180292
>book is at odds with his OT behavior.
Most of this is outside of the narrative because of technical limitations. The ANH duel would've been different if Alec didn't want to fight.

ESB and ROTJ, Vader is moving pretty fast. This is especially evident when he's done toying with Luke here: https://youtu.be/C-DeI3ohVbY?t=293
ROTJ is self-explinatory. Vader and Luke are on equal terms. It's implied they're moving at ROTS levels of fighting. But again, technical limitations of the 80s.

>he is seem as a much slower figure
He's disciplined now. He's not rushing into combat like Anakin did. That's what got him maimed. If you noticed, he's much more like Dooku. Calm, calculated and a deep connection with the Force.
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>>81180198
>because it'd be pretty awesome if instead of deflecting shots he just walked towards people soaking up the blaster bolts.

I don't think it would work out that way. If it were, he'd have no need to deflect shots at him. And before anyone says about the dining room scene in TESB, that was taken into a prosthetic hand. Something he (if damaged that much) could probably get replaced on the day.
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>>81180738
The discussion already covered this, no worries.
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>>81180977
>>81180977
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>>81169270
It IS called Darth Vader's Theme!

>The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme)
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>>81176876
Grievous has a lot of fangirls

It's very weird
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>>81181924
And fanboys.
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>>81179475
I've seen what happens when people are allowed to make sabers all colors of the rainbow

It's not pleasant
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>>81179514
>see old friends again
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