Steven Universe Thread

>implying your shitty theory/theories are popular

>>81108972
Lion is pink diamond is a pretty popular theory. Rose is PD is the only other popular theory, but that one has so much wrong with it that it's not even funny

Lion is Pink Diamond's Pearl will be my headcanon until the reveal.

>>81108904
have you considered that maybe lion isn't even gem related? He could be some other type of alien. for example a friend of rose who's planet she couldn't save.

>>81109070
Oh, I forgot to include that one. Let's look over the evidence:

Lion is pink pearl:
Pros:
>Explains Lion's storage dimension
>Explains who and what Lion is
Cons:
>does not explain lion's spacial manipulation
>does not explain lion's color scheme

>>81109076
Impossible. Rose would know about Lion if that were the case

>>81108904
I think the most important thing to consider is will this hiatus end?

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>good thread gets deleted
>now we're just going to have an entire thread dedicated to Pink Diamond theories

>>81109317
we can't have generals until the the show comes back or the next bomb is announced

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>>81109242
It's not a hiatus if THE EPISODES HAVE EXISTED FOR MONTHS NOW AND THE NETWORK JUST REFUSES TO AIR THEM

YES I AM MAD

>>81109365
Why? Wouldn't they want all threads condensed to one? Never got that.

>>81109413
Mods went out of their way to make up a new rule that generals can't be made unless there's a new episode airing within two weeks or whatever just to purge /sug/.

>>81109485
Where is that rule? I can't find it.

>>81109413

Condensing all SU discussion to one thread just encourages shitposting.

>>81109538
You can't find it because the only indication we got is a post by a mod. Admins are lazy fucks and don't actually update the written rules anyway. I don't have the screencap of the post, but I'm sure someone else does.

>>81109541
Shitposting in other threads? Like, other than to people in the generals why does that matter?

>>81109623
It's not really a rule then, just some of the mods' personal dispute.

>>81108904
There is no doubt in my mind that Pink Diamond is an entirely new character that hasn't been shown yet. A diamond whose color is pink, that is. Rose Quartz is a quartz whose color is rose. Quartz gems are large, powerful warriors, which is exactly what Rose is. Diamonds are like three times her size and skinnier, less broad. Diamonds aren't fusions either.

And lion is his own thing ffs.

>>81109700

In and out of the thread, yes. It also makes it difficult to actually discuss the show. These individual threads are leaps and bounds above what the general would be capable of at this point in a hiatus.

Plus, if you really want to just shitpost, there IS a /sug/ just for that over in /trash/, so everybody wins.

>>81109538
It's a rule they pulled out of their ass considering /sveg/ is still up.

>>81109485

And it's literally just /sug/. Every other show can have a general whenever the fuck they want, be it on hiatus or not even airing any more.

>>81109840
So the fact that in between the rebellion and the present PInk Diamond coincidentally got dethroned? I doubt it.

>>81109822
Exactly.
But mods can ban so what they say goes.
Buncha queers.

>>81110053
Careful, you might trigger their fragile sensibilities. I've seen men banned for less.

>>81110053
Complaining about the moderation is against the rules.

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>>81110159
Banning is just a cheap tactic to make weak mods stronger.

>>81110044
Of course not. It's almost certainly Rose's fault that Pink Diamond isn't around, but that doesn't mean she IS Pink Diamond.

>>81110424
The way I see it, Pink Diamond was the first one to see life as sacred, or perhaps Rose convinced her, and the other Diamonds would have none of that shit and basically just fucking executed her, and that's what inspired Rose to rebel.

I just watched the first episode. Does it get better than this? It was kind of bleh.

Im guessing its a show for grills?

>>81110664
yes, it gets better, but you will have to give it a little time, try to stick for Ep. 12 at least (and please watch them in order), if you don´t get interested on it at this point, probably its not for you and you can drop it.

>>81109015
What dispells that theory? People have asked showrunners on twitter & they never outright say no, Rose Quartz is not Pink Diamond.

Why does Pink Diamond have to be anyone other than Pink Diamond? I fuckin hate fanfiction tier shit like this. I want whatever Pink Diamond's story is to open up a whole new world, not be revealed to be some bullshit person conveniently tied directly to Steven.

Basically, I don't want this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYk1G7EfidM

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>>81110664

This anon >>81111144 speaks the general consensus on when people really start to enjoy SU.
12 episodes sounds like a lot but you can get through it in ~2.5 hours.

>>81108904
counterpoint: Steven is a Gundam and you're a faggot.

>>81111266
Wrong size, wrong gem shape, she steven are repeatedly called quartzes several times in the show by people who don't know her and/or wouldn't respect the name if she changed it. Not to mention that she fits the description of a quartz perfectly

>>81111266
>People have asked showrunners on twitter & they never outright say no
i'll never understand people that ask creators about huge plot spoilers, like they'd actually give a real answer
>"who's pink diamond?"
>"oh it's rose, we were going to do this entire cartoon series about it, but here you go"

>>81111378
Pink diamond is suspected to be someone we know primarily because the show runners are trying to keep her in the dark. We still don't know why we weren't shown Pink Diamond on the moon base.

Of course the idea that Rose was pink diamond predates the hints that there WAS a pink diamond. A lot of the assumptions are left over from that, but we probably would have seen pink diamond by now if she wasn't someone we've already encountered or a combination thereof

>>81111690
Rose an archetypal quartz? Bullshit. Hair isn't light pale unkempt mane, not exactly broad shouldered, never shown to be able to perform a spin dash, & perhaps the most flaky gem we have ever met. Loyal soldier? More like xenophilic traitor!

>>81111690
Diamond is a highly regarded name/type to gems. It would be seen as disrespectful if a gem referred to a diamond as anything other than diamond (like clod).

>>81111932
haiving a light pale unkept mane, broad shoulders and being able to spin dash aren't defining qualities of a quartz. Some known quartzes have those properties, but not all of them

>>81112002
hence why Jasper doesn't call Rose "Pink Diamond"

She isn't a fucking Diamond

>>81110664
There are better episodes than the first episode, but I think if you didn't like the first episode it's PROBABLY a waste of your time watching the rest. The show is themed around sentimentality and platonic love. All the powerful characters are female. There is virtually no action in the show and a lot of time is dedicated to goofy side characters. So yes it's pretty much for grills, and faggots like me.

>>81111913
If Pink Diamond was an entirely new character they would still not spoil all the details, just like they did with Yellow Diamond before. Why would they go out of their way to spoil ANYTHING that would be better off getting revealed in its time?

>>81112029
Don't you think other gems adopted the name Rose Quartz for Pink Diamond to spite her?

>>81112029
Both of the known quartzes have expressed such characteristics. Peridot spelled out the defining traits of a quartz. It raises eyebrows when Rose doesn't fit all the qualities. Rose is not an intimidating person. Her presence doesn't provoke fear, on the contrary, she comforts those near her.

>>81112168
exactly the opposite. They would refuse to call her any name she took on

See:
>"Bruce" Jenner
>Donald "Drumph"
>Jon "Leibowitz"

and so on.

>>81112293
Peridot never said anything about spin dashes or manes. Mind you that Sardonyx has neither of those things despite being a quartz, and Rose's head-to-shoulder ratio is larger than ametheyst's by far.

Point is, you're a fucking mongoloid

>>81112369
You have it ass-backwards. If one used to be called a prince but then resorted to violence against his constituents to oppose a crusade mandated by the king, citizens would not continue to call the traitor a prince now, would they?

Sardonyx was not composed of any quartz-based gems.

>>81112369
Amethyst cannot be used as a measuring stick for quartzes- she's defective.

>>81112645
So you're going to ignore everything else in that post? And the one before that? And the one before that?

>>81112823
You're the one who's dense. I told you, it is insulting to NOT call a diamond a diamond. Yellow Diamond's followers sprinkle "my diamond" in every sentence addressed to her. What is so difficult to get this?

Do you think Pearl would be more shocked at Steven dropping an F-bomb than Greg would be proud that his son knows who Sid Vicious is if they heard him singing this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZaR_4us6Ec

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Is it happening? Will we finally be free?

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>>81115747
I'm not getting my hopes up until an official announcement from CN.

>>81115747
Placeholder names are unreliable

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>>81115747
fucking watch these episodes not happen, fucking gumball will be here instead

Guys, what if Pink Diamond "split" into Rose Quartz and Lion?
Sort of like a Timelord watch that seals your powers, so you can't be tracked?

>>81108904
Whether or not the Rose is Pink Diamond theory is true or not, I just wonder how it's going to affect Steven and the other Gems.
How will Pearl react, knowing that she knows even LESS about Rose than she thought she did? How will Greg react, knowing that the one he loved wasn't really the one he thought she was? How will Steven react, knowing that he and his mother aren't actually Quartz types, and that he's actually a diamond and should be one of the rulers of Homeworld? And how will he try to keep the team together?

That's partially why I want this theory to be true, to see how all the character interaction changes with this revelation.

>>81108904
so if lion is pink diamond she has been morphing this whole time?

>>81111597
>>81110664
Giant Woman is where it starts to get good, Mirror Gem is where it starts to get amazing.

>>81116675
>Steven is a timelord
fund it!

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I want to __be__ Pearl.

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>>81116222
Good, Gumball is a better show

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Is there anything memorable in this series?

I honestly find nothing particularly worth remembering fondly

>>81117939
Ants get out of my board

>>81117939
This famm, when is Gumball even coming back?

>>81108904
Lion is their cat, probably some Gem shenanigans going on to transform him.

They make references to a missing cat a lot and Greg has cat stuff in his garage or something. Lion literally acts like a cat not a lion.

Lion is literally Rebecca Sugar's cat in real life. Steven is based on her brother, the Gems are based on her...it's a show about her whole family.

>>81117993
never ever

>>81118157
>They make references to a missing cat a lot and Greg has cat stuff in his garage or something
I don't know about "a lot". Pretty sure it was only that one time with Greg's storage thing.

Lion acts like a cat because it's funny.

>>81118587
I honestly love just how good a representation of felines in general Lion is.
He is lazy, and rarely ever makes a sound, because he knows everything is chill and cool and he is in control of the situation.
But when shit goes down he suddenly wrecks yor shit.

>>81117943
Not really no. It's gonna be a show I only watch once I have a feeling.

Rose is pink diamond.

She is the "protective and healer" diamond, with Yellow fighter, Blue tactician and White commander.

Greg says "she had to return to her original form when came to earth" in "The Return".

Steven has power in his voice. Not because he is convincent, but because he is king. He does not convince, he gives orders and the rest takes them.

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>>81116054

>>81118711
Peridot said that Yellow diamond is a decision maker. Not a warrior.

Not sure about the greg line but it seems like something memorable. I might aswell check out the episode now since i have nothing better to do.

>>81118804

do it, when they are in the van running away from Beach City.

>>81118845
I take it you're referring to the scene in the car where Greg tells Steven what he knows of the war.

No mention of original forms

XCOM intervention when?

>>81119002
Are the Outsiders Gems?

>>81119055
If anything, the Crystal Gems are more analogous to the XCOM initiative than the humans are
The Outsiders would be the corrupted Gems

So I just watched all /sug/-Simulators, and I feel like I learned a lot about the franchise, and the time I missed.
Just one question, what's a Steven Bomb?

>>81119170
They way they air new episodes these days, every 1-3 months there will be 5 straight days of new episodes (1 a day, Monday to Friday)

>>81119170

when Steven explodes and the show is over

we have been waiting this moment for months

>>81116675
Like a reverse fusion? Not exactly foreshadowed, but ...

>>81119212
oh that makes sense, I guess. Do they derive pleasure from manchildren suffering, or why do they make hiatuses? Hiati? hiatus'?

>>81119219
I hear the ride doesn't usually end. Like at all.

>>81109317
there is no such thing as a good SU thread.

>>81119286
kinda, but more like storing a part of your power away in some sentient pocket dimension, or something, I guess.
But yeah, there is nothing foreshadowed in that direction so far, so it'd most likely look like an asspull.

>>81118157
>new headcanon

Hey, what if Lion is some kind of experimental gem/cat fusion? An experiment to prepae for creating Steven, or something? They keep playing up how no-one knows how he was made or functions.

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>>81119344
What if he's an experiment on forming a gem without a central core gem, and instead consists of a distributed gem powder fiber grid that makes up his body? We know steven has definitely more "substance" than gems, so this might be connected.

or maybe he's a different alien altogether?

>>81119303
And yet you read through them anyway.

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>>81115747
The last few dozen times that something like this was found, it quickly turned out to be nothing. If the show was returning that week, we would have had some sort of big announcement during this past week.

Also...
>Trusting anything listed by the oh-so-accurate TV Guide website

>>81109365
I never got why people want /sug/ back on /co/ so badly.

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>>81117939

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What did Peridot mean when she regenerates and thinks they're "going to harvest her"?
Are gem seeds made of crushed gem bits?

digamma-f-wau.tumblr.com/post/141726843272/steven-universe-storyboarder-styles-part-1
why yes I am that anon from the AT threads that talks about boarders and posts lists of boarders

>>81123176
Harvesting other gems is probably a gem v gem combat technique, where you use disabled enemy forces to power your own.
I doubt Rose and CG used it, as they're all lovey dovey (despite using Lapis). Harvesting could be a modern gem method, maybe developed in the assumed war against pink diamond

>>81123002
It's lightspeed shitposting. Some people enjoy it and some mods hate it.

>>81123002
I've always felt that the waifuposting and fetishposting on /co/sug/ threads weren't as annoying as they are in /trash/sug/ threads.

No news on the end of the hiatus?

>>81124156
Never ever.

>>81124156
Steven bomb 5 drops April 4th

Source: my Dad is Rebecca Sugar

>>81123564
>>81123002
as it is now, I'm discussing SU in 3 different threads.
I really can't see why that is better than one general.

>>81124596
Do you really feel the need to respond to every single SU Thread? I think /r/Steven Universe is more of your speed

>>81125117
the fusion thread is rather interesting though.

>>81125173
Ok and how is that a problem?

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>>81125261
is it?
just saying it's weird.

>>81115747
The schedule will change the night before, just like the last time.

>>81108904
I personally believe Lion is a corrupted Crystal Gem who Rose was trying to heal in secret. Maybe even Rose's pearl servant gone gem monster during the rebellion. For this theory to work we have to assume that Lion has been placated, but has yet to regain its humanity. It still recognizes Rose's gem, or else it would have been more hostile to Steven on first meeting. It also regularly captures small gem monsters and brings them back to the CG's, in the comics moreso. This behaviour could be seem as Lion trying to fulfill his duty as a former CG. Every gem gets a storage dimension it seems, and perhaps Lion's power is spatial manipulation. Hence the teleportation and large storage dimension. Lion's gem would have to be under his mane for this to work, which would make sense since that's how Steven got into the storage dimension. If Lion was Rose's pearl as well, that'd explain how he knew about the moon base, the weapon facility, and why he has all of her stuff.

Sorry for taking as long as I have on the Opal x Jasper beach pic. I collapsed at about five in the morning (switching back and forth between both pics I'm working on), and I got the majority of the pencil work done. Have to do some yardwork today, so it'll still be awhile.

>>81126656
Take your time man, thanks for doing my request dude.

I bet it looks pretty hot

>>81127034
It's coming out well enough, and Peri's face is just adorable.

>>81128467
Yay, sounds lovely

I wish i could draw but i can writefag for you as payment is thats ok.

>My temporary head canon
Whoever Pink Diamond is, it's not Rose or Lion. Rose Quartz killed her and is using her shattered remains to power the crystal heart in the temple. Bismuth is just a red herring.

>>81109367
This.

Fuck Cartoon Shitwork with a rusty rake.

There has to be some other place SU can go to other than this fucking shitty network.

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>>81128886
>Bismuth is just a red herring
But who IS Bismuth?

But thats a male lion, all the Gems are female lesbians.

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>>81117939

>>81117943
First seeing lapis emerge from the mirror

Watching the feel good montage of Pearl reminiscing with Steven on the strawberry battlefield

First seeing Opal, and fusion in general

Seeing any gem architecture for the first time, specifically the Lunar Sea Spire

The entire message received ark, ESPECIALLY the season 1 finale

All of season 2


This show has been and remains to be an amazing series with very consistent quality and worldbuilding.

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>start watching the show
>several episodes in

>gems keep shitting on steven like hes a big baby despite him showing hes easily the strongest and most resourceful of the whole group solving all their problems most of the time and hes just a little kid

Gems a shit.

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/cartoon-network-april-2016-premiere-info.5533292/

>>81133991
They do seem to take him much more seriously in the show later on.

>>81128595
Nah, don't worry. If you wanna pay me back, show it off to your friends and tell them that I drew it for you, reputation is about as valuable of a payment as concrit is to an artist, the two of them second only to money itself.

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Oh, we posting headcanons here? Okay then.

>Lion isn't in any way related to Pink Diamond.
I think Lion is just a remnant of Rose's power: made the same way Cat Fingers went down, but with actual planning and skill behind it to make a seperate, sentient feline from her body.
This remnant would in turn watch over Steven and house things she wished to give to him.

>Bismuth isn't Pink Diamond either
I'm still thinking that Bismuth, especially seeing how it's clearly an artificial cubic crystal bismuth, is either some kind of weapon or, more likely, some kind of failed experiment at creating Gem life without draining life from a planet.
Basically, Bismuth is Steven 1.0, and it went horribly wrong leading Rose to bubble it and stick it inside Lion as she couldn't bring herself to destroy it.

>Who is Pink Diamond?
Someone entirely new. Rose's Diamond whom she was completely loyal to like all quartz. But Pink did something to upset the other Diamonds, leading to her being crushed or excommunicated.
This gave Rose the straw that broke the camel's back and she started her rebellion based on the ideals of her Diamond.
Hence her flag being a rose growing out of a Pink Diamond.

>>81135434
Sure man, ill show off to fellow fans and keep it for myself to occasionally look at when i wanna see some good Opal art.

Your a really great artist man overall

I want you to have this regardless, I know you will love it and thats why i got it just for you http://imgur.com/SkEHCaL

I always wonder if the great Diamonds were the first gems over, or if there are even older gems out in space

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>>81136464
There's one that constantly fluctuates their many colors, all of them bright, moves with a grace matched only by the heavens themselves, and has a voice that reverberates so powerfully that a mere whisper would make a Diamond quiver in their boots. Their name?

Stardust.

>>81119344
Rose was trying to combine the things on Earth with Gems. Probably so they'd be immune to with the defusing weapon shit. Remember the moss? Why would an alien be able to control plants? She performed experiments to create a fusion of races

>>81136867
I miss him

Now he truly is the Starman waiting in the sky

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Is it even worth getting hyped for 5 episodes/4months?

>>81136974
And a hybrid of a Gem with another intelligent species would be her magnum opus, even if her life's greatest work would cost her that very life. Touching, but she was still fucking nutters.

>>81129885

Well, let's go down the list:

- Bismuth, lead, and tin is combined to make a substance known as Rose's Metal. Rose's Metal is used as solder in stoneworking, as a transference medium in heat baths, and as a malleable filler for metalcraft.

- Bismuth was once important in alchemy as a transitional step between low value materials such as lead and tin to high value materials such as gold and silver.

- Bismuth hopper crystals are lab-grown.

Theory: Rose Quartz created Bismuth most likely while trying to devise a means to repair destroyed gems or heal corrupted ones. Her secret experimentations were failures, and so Bismuth was packed away in Lion with all her other precious treasures in the hope that Steven may one day continue her work.

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Reminder that Pearl is the worst Gem

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>>81136974
>>81137530
>>81137692
>Rose wasn't the godess of love as her constituents usually portray her as
>Rose isn't the True Big Bad to be revealed and plot twisted
>Rose was actually a crazy scientist who performed morally ambiguous experiments for the greater good

I can get behind this theory.

>>81133991
Don't worry, his growth arc is much quicker and more subtle than you realize. Tiger Millionaire is where he finally starts getting recognition from the gems.

>>81137692
It's not rose's metal. Rose's metal can't form hopper crystals and not only isn't gem but isn't even a decorative stone like bismuth and pearl are. The rose's metal meme needs to die

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Why is Pearl even considered a gem when pearls are made by fucking clams?

>>81140567
That's the thing, Pearls aren't like other gems.

>>81140567
they aren't considered gems, peridot says that herself.

>>81140719
That is really well animated, though I guess the barely detailed cats make it a lot easier

>>81140464

Rose's Metal is 50% bismuth, you gibbering cunt. Stop being stupid.

>>81141312
Humans are 60% water but I can't slurp you through a fucking straw

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What happened to vocaroo anon and newfag?

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>>81140719

>>81141409
New Fag graduated, although he's still easy enough to identify if you know what to look for. Dunno about Vocaroo Anon, though.

>>81108904
>lion is pink diamond in disguise
what about this

>>81141477
that's more or less the first theory, swapping out in disguise with corrupted

>>81141376

You can if an industrial meat grinder is involved.

"Alone Together" is a really solid episode, but I think my favorite so far has been "Joy Ride." It really captures the feeling of making your own fun in a small town, and also just driving around at night and talking about life with your friends.

I feel sorry for people who spent their preteen and teen years inside without friends to just go be teens with

Pink Diamond faked her own death then disguised herself as Pink Diamond's supposed killer, a high-ranking Rose Quartz. That's why Rose (and thus Steven) have several abilities and traits very much unlike the other Quartzes we know and have been described as.

Our Pearl was either a gift or an escaped failure from White Diamond's group, explaining how her color scheme doesn't match the pink diamond on her space outfit.

I also believe that Pearls are created equal to other gem types (while trending more towards Pearl-type personalities) and are systematically trained, beaten, and bred (for lack of a better word) to create the modern Pearl model, similar to Chiuahuas.

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>>81141646
More kevin when?

>>81141795
Soon hopefully. Too good a character.

>Rose is not pink diamond
>she is the real Pink Diamond's double
>lion is the real Pink Diamond shapeshifted into a less threatening form

>bismuth isnt a proper gem, similar to how pearl isnt
>it was engineered to serve as a weapon and powerup for Rose

>>81140567
I always assumed they were mass produced drones. artificial life similar to how we would develop robots.

>>81111266
"it could've been great" basically shoots it down

if rose was pink diamond then steven & the gems would've recognized her on the murals of the diamonds

also rose being a diamond would've been something pearl probably would've known about and shoved in peridot's face when she was calling rose & the crystal gems incompetent

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Any word on Hiatus Universe ending?

Can anyone sell me this show? I've been on the edge of trying it out but I always seem to forget about it and watch something else. So yeah, what are the good things about it and why do you love it so much?

No spoilers please man

>>81142211
I don't believe that specifically because it then further implies a level of gem-racism I don't believe Rebecca Sugar would take the show down.

From studying the SJW, I've realized that there are two different meanings/interpretations of racism and why some groups underperform compared to others- the classic nature vs nurture.

Nature is the subject of privilege and ranking. This is how a rich black woman can be more oppressed than a poor white man, simply because black < white and woman < man, compared to just rich > poor. Now we also know that is bullshit, since race and gender can't be controlled but finances certainly can. This type of belief is dangerous because it treats people as numbers, not as individuals. Those that spout about nature racism are both stupid and dangerous, and come from both sides of the spectrum.

This idea implemented into gems would mean that pearls are fundamentally less than other gem types.

Nurture for the most part focuses entirely on income and parental attention. These are things that for the most part can be controlled. However, this quickly becomes the subject of class warfare, which the ones at the top absolutely do not want. So any topic of nurture is quickly injected with nature, which splits people apart based off things they had no control over and destroys any movement.

This idea implemented into gems would mean that pearls have the same potential of any other gem, but are trained and enforced (and thus oppressed) to be lesser.

Rebecca Sugar is not a SJW, so I don't believe she's make pearls inherently lesser than other gems. Certainly treated and trained to be, but in potential no.

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Imply Lapis isn't blue diamond in a weakened state

Implying its not why she was in the mirror

Did you even wonder who I used to be

>>81143126
Id compare pearls more to AIs than another race of gems though.

>yfw lion isn't Pink Diamond or a piece of rose quartz
>yfw he's actually cranberry glass
>yfw Rose left a glass in charge of guarding another glass

>>81143088
Waifus
Anime and video game references
Shipping
Knowing that the shows creator is one of us- a shipping, lewd, shitposter. You can still look up her Invader Zim fan fiction and EEnE Yaoi art
That Rebecca Sugar was responsible for some of the best parts of early Adventure Time.
That delicious feeling of dread that only a big reveal in a show can give you. Best example would be from FMA:B (also written by a woman) where Ed and some others are in a tunnel and Ed asks for a map and recent battles. That feeling you get when you realize what's happening/the implications before the rest of the cast is exquisite.
Singing
Crying
Crying while singing

>>81143223
But pearls can do everything other gems can do. At what point do AIs get personhood status?

>>81143332
Thanks bruh. Heard it only gets good around episode 30 or so, right? It better be worth it

>>81143398
AIs can never have souls like we do, Anon.

No but seriously the point of a lot of fiction has been that AI is a bit of a moral grey zone. We've seen Homeworld and theyre clearly not very moral, there's no reason they wouldnt keep their artificial beings down even if they were just as capable as they are. Birth seems to play a part in their place in society.

>>81143417
Eh, I'd say after the first 12. Then you get Giant Woman showing off fusion, as well as a few other episodes that have implications you only learn later on.

And since each episode is only 11 minutes long, you can plow through them pretty quickly.

>>81143443
The problem being that I don't believe in souls...

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>>81143629
no but seriously there's a lot of supersticious, cultural or just plain nonsensical stuff related to one's place of origins. it's clearly a very hierachal society and it'd make sense for them to never allow artificial life to think itself as good as REAL and PROPER life.

hell, maybe there's a reason for it. We've only ever seen Steven heal damage proper gems, maybe pearls cant even be repaired if they're damaged?

>>81143554
Starting right now

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Burnett just confirmed the tvguide listings aren't new episodes.

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>>81143907

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>>81143907
https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/713922440020238336

is this my dumbest theory yet? Should I have saved this for april fools?
http://fantheoriesandfoodporn.tumblr.com/post/141757443089/crack-theory

>>81143181
can't be, gem placement is different. Lapis's gem is on her back, while blue diamond's is on her chest.

>>81144103
Congratulations, you finally killed the SU fandom

>>81129248
No one else wants to pick up this shitty fucking show and deal with the retards in its fanbase. Dead in the water is the best place for it.

>>81115747
>SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER
>ITS DELAYED TO MAY

I can feel it already

>>81145518
wow, the butthurt in this post.

Did you just stumble out of /pol/ after a bong or two?

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>this is the most heartbreaking photograph in the history of animation

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>>81143332
>Singing
>Crying
>Crying while singing
We'll played

Can someone explain to me how the tumblr "new blog" feature works?
I want to make a very specific art blog but not sure if I should create a new tumblr or a new blog with my current one.

>>81145518
Question, who shit your cornflakes this morning?

Whats the worst?

>Lion is Pink Diamond
>Lion is Pink Pearl
>Lion is (the real) Rose Quartz
>Lion is Cranberry Glass
>Lion is a cat with gem shards
>Lion is a cat otherwise modified by Rose
>Lion is just another alien

>>81145748
I never really felt bad for Rose, she never felt like a relatable character. Pearl and Greg, sure, but not Rose herself.

I mean to some extent this was on purpose, what with the episode where Rose/Greg can't understand each other. The way she laughed at him and how he couldn't make sense of it was just unsettling.

But she seems more mythical and flat than real.

>>81146501
greg is who I feel bad for. He's not with rose in that pic, he took a photo in front of her painting. Look at those eyes, he's asking, nay, pleading "Are you proud of me Rose?"

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>>81143752
ok Smashmouth, give us the bits
whatchu got so far?

>>81142085
So

We got played like a fiddle?

>>81144103
fucgn

>>81141459
>>81141409
Vocaroo anon's last one was season 1 finale. He probably is just doing work. Guy sounds like a busy person.

>>81108904
guys what if pink diamond isn't able to manifest itself into a thing and is just used for power or some shit

>>81142588
Someone on KissCartoon said it was April 19th, but I think that was a lie :(

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>>81143907
>>81144103
>He didn't know there'd even be episdes that week but also hasn't heard anything about them airing new ones
>Either all hope is lost or CN is REALLY fucking with the crew by not letting them in on schedule shit.

Well shit, this week can't go by fast enough. We need at least some full closure and Matt's "I'm not sure, but I doubt it" is just enough to keep a tiny lick of hope going.
They could at least have the decency to snub it out entirely.

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>You will never be unconditionally and fully loved in the way Pearl loved Rose

Why even live brahs?

>>81149461
you will never be loved period

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>>81149407
>>81143907
I like your reaction pics

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Whereas Steven Universe (still) isn't back today, something else was...

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>>81150043
>you will never be loved period
I read that as "You will never be loved, Peridot". Good riddance. I hate that green little shit. Can't wait for her and Jasper to get turned into dust

>>81146985
The 7 min pilot was the best thing so far. Granted I just watched like 4 before I had other shit to do

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And the Homeworld Misfits are finished. I'm not very pleased with some stray lines and Lapis' skin color (I can never seem to get it just right), but the lack of the purple streaks that are in the original picture are something I can forgive myself for, because there's no way I could replicate that effect with any practicality by using traditional media. Apart from that, I'm rather pleased. Even the scanner messing with the colors didn't hurt it that bad.

Also, now I can devote my time to the Opal request.

>>81149461
Because you don't have the conviction that Rose had.

>>81152605
I just imagined Rose dressed like Sub-Zero, thanks.

>>81135778
Now that I think about it, assuming they can do such a thing wouldn't masturbation while fussed be pretty much sex, or at least third base?

>>81115747
>4th April
At least we'll have DiU.

>>81149461
I absolutely hate it when people take moments with Pearl and Steven, then make it about Pearl and Rose.

>>81123176
Something like Lapis' mirror? Sticking gems into objects to make them do things you wanna do?

>>81145885
It's like a subdirectory. Your main tumblr is your main account that will show up in people's notes when you like something and when you ask questions. New blogs are for posting art and can be used to reblog, but not for asks or likes. It's, quite literally, a side-blog.
I'd say if you only want to use it to post your art, use it. If you want to make a SU-specific blog in which you reblog, like and rp or whatever, make a new tumblr.

>>81153916
Is there any single feature of Tumblr that isn't barely functional?

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>>81143907
>>81144103

>Aivi and Surasshu posting again for the first time in months.
>Crewniverse updating again for the first time in a month and a half.
>Matt "The King of Lies" "You'll Be Pleased with the New Schedule" Burnett.

I still have hope, but if they don't announce anything tomorrow it's definitely off the table.

This is already the longest we've gone without an announcement, and is closing in on the longest hiatus to date.

I've been listening to the Diamonds themes and how similar they are
https://soundcloud.com/aivisura/steven-universe-yellow-diamond
https://soundcloud.com/aivisura/steven-universe-blue-diamond

Fuck these are great. I love how creepy and eerie they are. Definitely the sound you would expect for a creature from a far away galaxy. A creature that is also powerful gigantic ruler. All of that is captured in these tunes. I also really like the build up in YD's theme. You can hear the tension growing between Peridot and Yellow Diamond, as the small gem slowly expresses more and more opposition. Eventually when Peridot mentions "there are things on this planet worth protecting", you can shortly hear an optimistic and joyful melody similar to Crystal Gem themes, declaring her to switch between sides.

More background info on how these themes were created:
https://twitter.com/surasshu/status/685538183501721600

>>81153834
No, more like Kindergarten fuel.
Ground up a gem into goop, fill it in the drill, each hole gets a drop, wait a bit, hundreds of copies.

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I want to bully Peridot.

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>>81149461
why does Pearl give me so many feels?
Just thinking of "do it for her" makes me choke up.

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>>81154398
Peridot is NOT for bullying!

>>81154554
You got it wrong.
Peridot is NOT for cuddles.

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>>81154554
The fuck else is she good for?

>>81146433
They're all fucking terrible except maybe the two where Lion is an altered cat. Maybe.

You have to be fucking stupid to think RQ is PD.

>>81144225
God quit hyping your blog over stupid fucking theories that show you have zero comprehension skills.

>>81146501
Everyone you love is mythical after they are gone.

>>81149407
The network isn't going to tell the Crew shit. TV doesn't work like that.

>>81143181
>who I used to be

No, that just meant "You knew there was a person trapped in there, did you even bother to think of me as one, or just as the tool I was turned into?"

Don't read too much into things. That's how shitty fan theories get started

>>81155210
they will only know when we know, just like the January bomb

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If Lion is Pink Diamond, it starts and ends the story potential right then and there.

If Pink Diamond is Rose and Bismuth, then that adds a WHOLE bunch of story potential, and extra implications for the diamonds.

Bismuth is not a Gem outright, but a chemical element and post-transition metal. That means it's something entirely new to the heirarchy, and likely the sort of armament ALL Diamonds use when they fuse from Quartz. So all the Diamonds have a respective element they fuse with to become Diamonds. Something that keeps sentience, but increases power. Essentially the sort of fusion Diamonds would approve of, not the haram fusing of two into one, or the fusing of several of the same into a bigger one, but fusing one into a stronger one.

PLUS, think of this. If Bismuth + Rose Quartz = Pink Diamond, then it stands to reason Bismuth + Quartz = Diamond for any quartz. Amethyst and Jasper are Quartz, if there's a power to become Diamond, imagine what that could imply for either of the two to be stronger. Jasper craves to be stronger than Rose, Amethyst is hungry for respect and being more than just the runt of the Crystal Gems. Maybe this is part of Amethyst's betrayal arc getting hinted at.

And we've seen NOTHING of White Diamond all this time, and there's another hanging thread of some artifact incased in black muck, trapped on the moon, since the warp pad's gone. Maybe the reason this conflict grew is that THAT is yet another armament metal, perhaps White Diamond's, perhaps something new entirely.

And as for why Lion exists, my guess is both for an experiment at creating new gem life, and hiding Bismuth and other treasures in plain sight. If Homeworld cared little for organic life before, another lion roaming the world wouldn't register on their sights either.

>>81155544
What kind of sperg spewing is this?

In all honesty, because of how long and how often the shows hiatus' are, I'm starting to lose interest in SU. it sucks because i really liked this show but now it's just

>>81155891
Because nothing at all happens until the Homeworld can send ships to Earth. You think interstellar travel happens overnight or summat?

>>81108904
>The crew probably would have objected to everyone misgendering lion if he was a girl
Do people really think this? Christ that's retarded.

>>81155982
Well, not that anon but lions with manes kinda sorta have a tendency to be male.

>>81156207
Also Steven called him a 'he'.

>>81155982
you underestimate how retarded tumblr is

>>81108904
I bet that's what a gem's vagina looks like.

>>81155982
fun fact, in the german dub, they use the neutral pronoun for "the cluster", even though male would be the more common way.

>>81156355
Weren't the germans ahead of us in episodes? Has anyone subbed them?

>>81156373
Back to the barn is the last episode that aired in German.

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>>81117939

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>>81152113
fair enough
new fags picking up the show and giving us their feedback on episodes have been a nice respite during this hiatus
was hoping you'd do that, but if you don't it's whatever

>>81158965
I watched the entire show last week, but I don't think I have anything new to contribute to the fandom, that propably hasn't been said a million times.
Like how I was positively surprised about the depth of the character motivations, how the plot seems to be actually planned out beforehand, and how greg isn't simply a running joke and actually tries to be a good father. Isn't it depressing how these things stand out?

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>>81159054
I guess, at least to me, it's just nice to talk about the show. What you like about it, disliked, anything, just to keep it relevant during this hiatus.

This show has a surprising amount of depth, like in the first episode you can see Connie's glow ring and later on they bring that up. The show does that well, putting small things that you might miss and bringing them up later. The Crewniverse, I believe, has also had the whole show planned out for a long time now. So, this show is gunna have a tight plot, not airtight, but tight enough. Also, Greg is best dad.

>>81159241
I wonder how far they actually planned ahead though. I noticed how garnet's eyes initially aren't colored like later after the reveal, but I always suspected the two gems meant something.

One thing that bothers me a bit is how it initially deals a lot with fighting monsters, who are later revealed to be insane or corrupt gems, but that is never really followed up on. No plot about how compassion keeps you in mental shape, or how you need to support each other to keep your form or something. The closest we got was the amethyst regeneration episode, where she "loses herself" a bit, but it's never connected to going rogue.
So I wonder was that entire thing setting something up, or just a phase to find what the show wants to be about?

>>81109367
Maybe they're going back to weekly releases and they're just stocking up their backlog? At least I hope

>>81159392
Her char design changes a bit after they fuse again.

>>81112159
becuase they've gone out of their way to not even show murals of a supposed Pink Diamond

>>81143695
we've never seen steven even attempt to heal Pearl anon.

>>81155571
Taking plot threads that have been left hanging and drawing some attempts at conclusions
>what is the purpose of Lion and its connection to Pink Diamond
>why would Bismuth, an element and decidedly NOT a gem, be a thing in a world of Gems and Gem Monsters
>what happened to Pink Diamond
>what was that thing in the black orb on the moon
>what do all those episode titles hinting at Amethyst's betrayal mean
>why is it that we've gone through so many gems, seen so many different crystals, and not ONE of them is tied to White Diamond
>where do the diamonds come from, what is their purpose or reason for ruling the Gem Society
>why is cross-fusion so prohibited in Gem Society while fusion of same gems isn't, if fusion makes stronger gems, surely the diamonds would want to experiment with this ability and try more gem combinations for their campaigns
I could be wrong. But it's a lot of threads that could be connected if we explore Bismuth. Lion as he is now doesn't have that luxury.

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>>81159392
I dunno how far they've planned ahead, but I think it was pretty far. don't quote me on that though

As far as "monster of the week" reformation, Centepeedle. We saw it at it's worst with the first episode, later in Monster Buddies, and possibly in a future episode Monster Reunion. This show is a slow burn and still in it's beginning stages. Sadly, CN is holding it captive and won't let it progress due to reasons.

>>81155018
Lapis needs to chill the fuck out.

Chill out Lapis.

God.

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>>81160010

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>>81143907

>>81108904
You Forget the theory where Lion is a solid Hologram left by Rose.

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>tfw the next Steven Bomb is ready and some asshole in a suit at Cartoon Network's office is refusing to release it because "WE GOTTA WAIT FOR THEM TO WANT IT MORE!"

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I just want them to be friends

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>>81160389
It's gunna take a fuckton on pre-recorded messages to make them friends

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>>81160320

>It's been ready for months.
>Since the leaked clip with the present back in January.
>That leaked during that Steven Bomb.
>They've had the episodes for nearly three months now, but aren't airing them.
>They won't even give the slightest hint as to when they will.
>Even the actual staff of the show doesn't know.

Season 3 was confirmed in July of last year, it's completely feasible given the 9-month-per-episode production time that the first few season 3 episodes are coming in.

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>Hilarious banter between Steven, Greg, and Pearl
>Development of Poil's character as a damaged zealot who's lost the person she once worshiped and now feels trapped in a world she doesn't care about
>Moments of Greg genuinely horrified by the danger his son is in.
>Dat cute spacesuit

Is "Space Race" the best episode of Season 1?

>>81154501

She's lovelorn and that is sad.

And no matter what anyone says, she is malfunctioning. She knows it.

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>>81160753
>>81154501

>tfw Defective Pearl

>>81160753
and during "do it for her" , training dummies aren't the only thing she's projecting.
I wouldn't even say she's malfunctioning per se, she's just a pearl who's owner died, so she's forced to make up her own fate.

I swear to fucking god CN, this bomb better be soon.

And there had better be another soon after that.

My god, what can we do to this shitty fucking network to fuck them over for this?

>>81160702
It's my fav

>>81160913
Has anyone made one of those change.org voting things for them to release the episodes yet?

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>SU will never get an exclusive contract with Netflix
>Will never be able to produce high quality content on a semi regular basis
>Will never release entire bombs every month thanks to Netflix's funding

>>81160944
I was thinking something a little more destructive and scary, but okay, that might do to... maybe...

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>>81160958
>>SU will never get an exclusive contract with Netflix

>>81160794
I read Detective Pearl for a moment.
Now that'd be interesting.

>>81160958
Seriously, fuck traditional networks with a rusty blunt knife.

They're old trash that should have died years ago.

If some crusty old shitshow like Cartoon Network can't even pull its fucking finger out to deliver content THEY HAVE AND IS FINISHED to the people that want it, they need to just hurry up, go bankrupt already and let someone whose business model is 'supply and demand' take care of it.

You know.

A company interested in making some fucking money.

>>81161031

It's not even like cable networks aren't interested in making money. It's just that they literally have no idea how in the changing market.

These networks are run by old fucks who can't understand that more and more people are cancelling their cable since the internet is an unlimited sea of entertainment in all forms. So they cling to 90s era tactics and ideas to wait out the storm. But they aren't going to.

>>81160958
I feel this would be either awful or fantastic.

I could see this happening in the future, maybe with a funky spin off show or whatever.

>>81161113
It's a joke, i honestly hope they just hurry up and go bankrupt.
They need to die.

Die or evolve.

I'm sitting here with money i would literally be willing to give to them right now for some consistent Steven Universe updates, and they're just... what... "nah, i don't want your money"...

what?

>>81161113
Radio killed books
TV killed the radio
The internet killed TV
The internet is now killing itself

It's like the end of a great empire. Roman, British, Mongol. They destroy themselves.

>>81161185
So fucking true I am fully willing to pay for this shit but they clearly just don't want my money

>>81161113

I can tell you, anybody can tell you, that CN just needs to do three things to make more money.

>Have a consistent airing schedule when episodes are available, AKA when you're not in-between seasons and need long periods of time for episodes to be produced.
>Invest in actually decent merchandise for more than just two shows that aren't even significantly more popular than your other main offerings.
>Advertise both of these things in a consistent manner, using modern media techniques, especially the toys.

It's basic fucking business sense and CN's marketing department is pants-on-head fucking retarded.

>>81108904
I don't understand the skepticism with Rose herself filling up the "Pink Diamond" role. Pink Diamond is a name that is theorized, and the name is never ACTUALLY mentioned in the show, so it's still perfectly plausible, and a hundred times more likely than Lion filling the fourth and final spot on the oligarchy.

On top of that we know that after wartime the Pink was removed from the Diamond Authority emblem. So there really is no reason to believe that Rose isn't the 4th oligarch, except that the other 3 are diamonds, which is a stupid fucking reason to believe it can't be rose.

>>81161375
>caste system where 3 rulers are diamonds
>diamonds literally best gemstone, see Minecraft
>somehow fourth ruler isnt diamond butnsome shitty quartz which is useless and difficult to get from the nether

>sugalite was voiced by Nicki Minaj

Lmao wtf
Why would they even go to lengths to implement that

Although I'll admit I thought the voice fitted pretty well so there we go

>>81161824

>tfw Sugilite won't talk anymore because her voice actress costs too much

>>81108904
I personally like the theory that the Gem civil war was started when the other Diamonds turned on Pink Diamond and shattered her, the largest piece coalesced into Rose Quartz and started the rebellion to get revenge at first but then developed a love for Earth and humanity over time.

>>81161893
She didn't talk in that episodes where they smashed the hub yeah

>>81161375
>except that the other 3 are diamonds, which is a stupid fucking reason to believe it can't be rose.

Rose Quartz is a rose quartz. The Diamond Authority is staffed by diamonds. Thinking that the fourth slot would be filled by a quartz when the other three are filled by diamond is pretty fucking retarded.

Does anyone have a comprehensive collection of real gemstone trivia? Not strictly SU related.
Like what are Quartzes? what is a ruby and a saphire? Are emeralds different?
And diamonds are just carbon, right?

Holy fuck I don't have the slightest idea how jewels work.

>>81162514
From my knowledge quartz is simply the result of minieral acumulation, that's why they are more common. Diamond is carbon+stupidly high pressure+Stupidly high temperature+a few thousand years.

>>81162514

>Like what are Quartzes?

Quartz is an oxide mineral with a trigonal/hexagonal crystal structure, and the second most abundant mineral on Earth. There are about 20 different major varieties of quartz, including rose, citrine, onyx, jasper, and agate.

>what is a ruby and a saphire?

Ruby and Sapphire are corundum, a crystalline form of aluminum oxide. All transparent corundum is known as sapphires and come in a large variety of colors, but with two exceptions: red sapphires are known as rubies, and pink-orange sapphires are known as padparadschas.

>Are emeralds different?

Yes. Emeralds are actually a variety of beryl crystal with a chromium impurity, which causes it to be green.

>And diamonds are just carbon, right?

Specifically, diamonds are a metastable allotrope of carbon with a cubic formation that aligns into a lattice.

>>81163038
>padparadschas
Bless you

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>>81163038
remember when you were a kid, and felt smart for knowing all blue gems are sapphires, and all green ones are emeralds?

>>81161204
This makes me wish someone did a Steven Universe AMV of Video Killed the Radio Star.

>>81163038
>padparadschas
Well, that's a new pretty stone for me to care about.

>>81110340
underrated post

>>81162243
But that is 1 reason to think that Rose wasn't an oligarch.

Compare all the reasons she fits the picture, compared to the 1 reason she doesn't.

>>81155198
>Everyone you love is mythical after they are gone.

this cut me real deep anon

>>81164581
>Compare all the reasons she fits the picture

There aren't any reasons. At least none that aren't anecdotal, anyway.

Meanwhile, that one that doesn't is pretty motherfucking big and pretty motherfucking rock solid.

>>81146501
You don't feel bad for Rose, she was satisfied with every step of her decision and is implied to live on in some form

You feel bad for everyone else because of how poorly they've been coping

>>81145748
It really is.

>Greg still had hair when Rose died
>Rose has the same expression she has in the portrait on Steven's house
>it's actually Greg posing with the portrait

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>>81164816
>They painted him out
>They painted him out of a picture he took with his deceased wife
This isn't just disrespectful, this is one of the most dickish things you can do. This is so far, so fucking far in the no-bro zone that most people doesn't even need to consider wether or not to do it, they just don't.
And Greg acts maturely about it.
I want Greg haters to go and stay go.

>>81146501
That's to be expected of any character only ever referenced in passing memories or short stories.

If you felt like she was a 3d, relateable character, she'd be prominent enough in every episode that her 'death', for lack of a better word, would be meaningless.

You're not -supposed- to see her as a character as real as Pearl or Greg, or anyone Steven interacts with on a daily basis.
Because that's exactly how Steven feels about her. He never met the woman and neither did we.

All either of us have to go on are stories and opinions of other characters.

It's a well-restrained and good storytelling mechanic.

>>81164785
<There aren't any reasons. At least none that aren't anecdotal, anyway.

>Meanwhile, that one that doesn't is pretty motherfucking big and pretty motherfucking rock solid

The diamond authority symbol, and how it was altered pre-war to post-war. After the war the pink was removed from the diamond authority symbol.

And if Pink Diamond was a part of the rebellion then we would have heard of them. So far Rose has been the definite leader of the rebellion.

If Rose had been a leader on homeworld then rebelled then it makes sense they would remove her from the emblem. Plus she's fucking pink.

>>81165146
Fuck I fucked up the quote

>>81155932
Well according to the show itself, homeworld isn't just next-door.
It's in ANOTHER fucking galaxy altogether.

The milky way, for all we know, is just one of many terratories the Gempire is expanding into, which is a ... well, frankly almost ridiculous notion for reasons that require their own post to fully explain.

But Lapis somehow managed to FLY there with water wings, and then come back with reinforcements in well under a year.

.... to another galaxy...

she FLEW.

IN SPACE

WHERE THERE'S NO FUCKING ATMOSPHERE FOR WINGS TO WORK.

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>>81165204

>>81160320
>>81160533

I bet they don't even have the slightest inkling of a good excuse for pulling this supreme bullshit either.

>>81165245
yeah, but it's all that razors edge of science and magic.

It's not really treated like 'high magic' like in Lord of the Rings or even Warcraft.
Where from start to finish 'it's magic' and nothing else.

The gems are hinted at just being really really advanced technologically to the point people call it magic.

In fact, I'm willing to bet almost all of them haven't got the faintest clue how any of their shit works.
Like, does your average person have any clue as to how their samsung phone and their own human body works?
Not likely.

Whatever knowledge they have is probably spread amongst R&D departments of various Peridots (and any other creative gem classes we've not met yet).

>>81159622
yes im aware, its just wild speculation.
what I mean is that there's a lot we dont know for sure about the different types of gems is all.

>>81165204
Femtotech is what drives the gems. Also, she probably just flew to the moon and used a warp from there.

>>81108904
It's on hiatus for too long.

>>81165414
>does your average person have any clue as to how their samsung phone and their own human body works?
To be fair, once you enter the microchips territory common sense kills itself and shit gets arcane. And medics don't really know how our body works either, they've got an inkling of how some superficial systems work and rigged some explanations og why it may be, then started working based in the possible explanations that killed the less people when applied medically.
But yeah, I understand what you mean.

>>81165658
Well, no, actually microchips are relatively simple.

As much as computing power has advanced, all it's really done is increased the number of transistors a given chip has. It's still a 1 or a 0 that you get at the end of the day.
Just as Turing made it.

If you're talking subatomic; quantum computing, then yes, common sense does break down and get freaky, but there's nothing arcane about any of the computers around on earth in 2016.

>>81165414
Do you call your cellphone magic? Garnet calls fusion magic.

Where is it hinted that Gems are just really advanced technology?

>>81166001
Lapis even calls their stuff 'gem tech'.

and reported that it had got more advanced.

It's not just woo-woo magic shit.

>>81165146
>he diamond authority symbol, and how it was altered pre-war to post-war. After the war the pink was removed from the diamond authority symbol.

And absolutely none of that indicates that Rose was PD. It just indicates that, at some point between landing on Earth and the end of the rebellion, Pink Diamond was removed from the Authority. She probably died.

>if Pink Diamond was a part of the rebellion then we would have heard of them.

Who the fuck said PD had to be part of the rebellion?

>So far Rose has been the definite leader of the rebellion.

Rose being a rebel leader doesn't make her PD. You don't have to be royalty to lead a rebellion.

>If Rose had been a leader on homeworld then rebelled then it makes sense they would remove her from the emblem.

And about ten thousand other scenarios make the exact same amount of sense.

>Plus she's fucking pink.

And Pearl is white. I guess that means Pearl is White Diamond.

Moron. Do you know what "anecdotal evidence" is?

>>81166166
Yeah, they have technology. They also have magic. "Gem tech" is stuff like the ship and the destabilizer. We're talking about the Gems themselves. Specifically Lapis' wings.

>>81166370
>Moron. Do you know what "anecdotal evidence" is?
I don't even agree with him but you clearly don't

>>81166001

Any sufficiently advanced techology is indistinguishable from magic.

The Clarke Axiom. It's fucking famous.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't mind hearing Peridot's opinion on the subject. "Magic? PWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!"

>>81166397
Doesn't it make more sense that they just straight up don't understand their own anatomy, won't admit it, and call it 'magic', than it does that there's a mysterious unknowable force in the universe that lets certain types of people defy the laws of the rest of the universe on a whim because... 'magic'?

I think they just honestly have no real clue what they are exactly and are just now rediscovering it.

>>81166583

The Diamonds probably keep them ignorant on purpose. For a tyrant godking, the less your people know the easier it is to control them.

That's why Peridots are smol. They're designed to be intelligent so you can't control them via ignorance... so you control them by making them tiny, weak, and helpless.

>>81166581
>The Clarke Axiom. It's fucking famous.
It's also fucking bullshit and only taken as a universal truth because of how often it's been repeated.

>>81166583
>Doesn't it make more sense that they just straight up don't understand their own anatomy, won't admit it, and call it 'magic'
Do you call everything you don't understand magic? Do you really think Pearl of all people wouldn't notice the distinction?

>than it does that there's a mysterious unknowable force in the universe that lets certain types of people defy the laws of the rest of the universe on a whim because... 'magic'?
It's called fantasy.

>>81166792
>It's also fucking bullshit
How is it?
Also, Clarke was one of the greatest minds of his generation. Calling bullshit on someone much more inteligent than you isn't usually a good idea.
>Do you really think Pearl of all people wouldn't notice the distinction?
What would they mention it for? To talk with humans who just wouldn't get it?

>>81166792
>Do you call everything you don't understand magic?

Human beings literally did call everything they didn't understand magic until they developed science and started to learn more about shit.

>>81166583

Kinda fair, as most people don't understand their own anatomy and at least with Amethyst, her form seems to be a more intuitive thing than anything else...

Headcanon: the first Gems were created by humans, on Earth, 10,000 years ago in Atlantis. That's why they look like humans. But society became dependent on them so much that when they finally rebelled, society collapsed. They destroyed Atlantis and then left Earth. But in the intervening time they forgot their origins.

>>81166792
I'm saying their leaders notice it and either willingly keep their subjects ignorant to their true nature, or are ignorant themselves and call it magic to have -an- answer, even if it's a shitty one.

History is full of leaders pulling shit like this.

>>81166792
>Do you call everything you don't understand magic?

I would if we didn't live in this particular century of all other centuries that humanity has existed in.

>>81166964

no fuck that, fuck making earth speshul

i love how earth is a distant backwater no one gives a shit about, gives the story some weight

>>81166862
>How is it?
Technology implies design and construction. If someone in some fantastic universe is just born with the power to shoot fire out of his fingertips, that's not technology. It works for science fiction, but not fantasy.

>What would they mention it for? To talk with humans who just wouldn't get it?
What's the difference, in that situation, between saying "it's magic" and saying "it's advanced Gem technology"? They wouldn't understand it anyway. And why would they lie about something like this to Steven, who is the one often hearing about it?

>>81166899
>until they developed science and started to learn more about shit.
Which the Gems did.

>>81166981
What do they gain from doing that?

Let's just take a step back and realize that you're all inventing a complicated network of lies that the characters in the show keep up just because for some reason it's impossible for the show to be as much fantasy as it is science fiction, even though there's no reason to assume it isn't.

>>81167087
>, that's not technology
You are right. It'd be biology.
Look, you seem to be asuming that magic is inherently inexplicable bullshit. Magic, if it existed, could in fact be analyzed and developed, just like any other branch of science. Hence people calling some things magitech in literature.

>>81165414
The D&D geek in me points me to Gem "magic" being psionics, all just a bunch of different psychic powers like psychoportation, metacreativity and shit. A power that on-the-move Gems could have for space travel might involve some mumbo jumbo about dimensional folding.

>>81166964
>Headcanon: the first Gems were created by humans, on Earth, 10,000 years ago in Atlantis. That's why they look like humans.

That is a REAL stretch.

I mean Pearl is fucking over 5,000 years old, so you're saying she's half the age of her entire species?

Not just that, but the place they call HOMEworld is in another galaxy.

Now, if your hypothesis is that the Gems are drones/robots that became self aware and either escaped from or outlived their creators, then i can agree on that.

>>81167063
>i love how earth is a distant backwater no one gives a shit about

>...How is... the Earth?
>I don't CARE about 'potential' and 'resources'.
>I want that planet to DIE.
>It will take IMMENSE satisfaction from ERASING that HIDEOUS ROCK from our star maps!

Oh yeah... Earth is just another planet.

>>81167087
It's not about gain, it's about keeping order.

>>81167207
>Look, you seem to be asuming that magic is inherently inexplicable bullshit
Not inherently, but it can be, and often is. It depends on what the creator wants. He can make it something that can't, in fact, be analyzed and developed, and not just because it's too complicated for humans or whoever to feasibly get, but because it really doesn't have the kind of internal logic and consistency that something needs to be understood. Magic by the modern definition doesn't exist. It's something you see in stories.

>>81167357
It may well have that significance to Yellow purely because it's the location of a rebellion besmirching the reputation of their empire.

>>81167253

They all look like humans. Even the Diamonds.

I would be INCREDIBLY surprised if Earth didn't turn out to be 'speshul'.

>>81167408

Could be... could be. But either rebellions are rare, in which case Earth is special because it had one, or they occur more frequently, in which case why is she so upset?

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>>81167357
Sure, there was the rebellion which made an intergalactic empire change its symbol, but what of it? After Homeworld used its WMD on it and activated the Cluster, they pretty much forgot about it.

>>81167499

I kept thinking too, why the homeworlders would want or need a WMD that hard.

>>81167419
Never seen K-PAX? The 'human' form is the most useful form there is.

remind me again why we can't have /sug/?

I miss /sug/alite

>>81167419
Do Gems look like humans, or do humans look like Gems?

>>81167557
As much as I want to believe in the fantastically wide array of available forms, I have to agree. The only feasible improvement I can think about would be a tail. Wings sound fancy too, but they'd add a lot of stress to the column that ultimately would leave you invalid before reaching the twenties.

>>81167476
I think it's safe to think that rebellions are quite rare, just from the way that every gem -from- homeworld has actually talked and behaved.

They don't act like individuals, they act like servants of a feudal Chinese emperor.

The quartz soldiers (in this case; Jasper) speak of honour of battle, and the worker bees like Peridot couldn't even think outside the box of the class-based system she lives in.
As far as most gems are probably concerned, they're made for a specific purpose that ultimately is serving 'their' diamond in one form or another.

If the earth -is- special, it's only because it happens to be the place that a small handful of gems came to realize they're sapient individuals just like the creatures they found on earth and not the drones they've been told they are their whole lives.

In that case, the earth is just a location of cultural significance to them.

Like Jerusalem or Mecca.

It's a place where some stuff happens that they believe strongly in.