Do you consider this good animation?

>>80912957
damn if that character design looks ugly

>>80912957
>Do you consider this good animation?
its okay for internet animation

and as far as furfag waifus go shes pretty much bottom tier

Yeah, nice arcs, decent contrasts, and solid design. But the furries ruined this animator for me.

I guess the movement is ok, but I don't like the character design (and it's not that detailed).

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>sparkle dogs

>>80912957
It's not the worst I've seen. I can look at it without needing to stab my eyes out.

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It was cute if not a little weird in some parts with the animation.
Personally I find her overall style very distracting and busy, put that in with her very stylized form of drawing and it's just an eyesore. Pic related, this is nice.

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>>80913340
Then this. I have no idea what the fuck I'm suppose to be looking at because it's too busy.
Her use of colors is also.. Questionable. Not sure how to explain it. It's either a vomit of rainbows or in her simpler color pallets, they just look like shit. She needs to go back to color theory 101.

>>80912957

Not particularly. But it's good for an amateur animator working solo.

>>80912957
I find it creepy

Had some promise but towards the end of the video you can tell she rushed everything out just so she could get it done.
And god damn her comic sucks so much fucking cock.

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Can this be a thread where we post our animation?

>>80913070
Construction and shape tracking is all over the place though. But at least she doesn't overdo the mouth flaps like every other youtube amateur.

The most off-putting thing about it is the lack of lip-synching.

>>80912957
It has a nice feel of energy to the animation which is always a good thing to have, but the video suffers in the second half, it's clear that she didn't spend as much time as she should have

>>80912957
Not bad but not amazing. There's a weird part in the middle where it looks like it clips?

Also design is awful and colors are painful on the eyes.

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i mak poost

>>80912957
Bunch of bouncing flash garbage.
There is nothing good about it but furries and her fanbase will swear on a stack of bibles she's the best.

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Talking about furry animators, I think this guy is pretty damn good

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>>80915469
Because she gives the illusion of being good. Lots of arcs, rapid movement, basic follow-through animation. To amateurs (Her fanbase), it looks like she knows what she's doing. To everyone else, they can see her obvious flaws, the lack of shape consistency, the poor fast pacing which makes it hard to read the movement, her bad lip syncing, etc.

And yes bad design and colors.

>>80912957
I don't like that they lack weight... I mean all her animations and comic have nice designs (they are too busy at moments, lack the consistency and they look to fluid-y) but they lack weight and it's like they are in the moon or something. If she adds gravity in her art they'll look better.

>>80912957
At the very least there was a lot of time and effort put in compared to most internet animation (hell, even compared to a lot of network shows). That alone deserves praise, but the execution is just a little off to me.

Not crazy about furries either

I'll admit I don't know much about color theory, but the colors don't immediately stick out to me as bad. They're not as bad as, say, what ive seen of the PPG reboot

>>80912957
There's something bad about it that I quite put my finger on it. It's trying to be really fluid but it's very stiff at the same time. It's weird, I can't explain it

>>80915472
Quick!

Which of his animations is your favorite?

>>80917204

That gay cave scene is oddly heartwarming with that sensual music.

Gotta go with the PurpleHorseFuta though

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>>80912957
I can follow the flow, but there is such a thing as _too_ fluid.
There doesn't feel like there's any weight to any part of her, and so it doesn't feel like she's there.
Not to mention, that part where she bends down, her hair jerks forward when it should have been trailing behind her.

But it's not badly animated per se, just, not very effective for all the effort put into it.

>>80917306
I'm not even gay, but the way that he draws everything so soft...

In that gif? Yes.
Through out that whole video? Not really. Too spastic.

>>80912957
/co/ likes to hate it, but you posted it in hopes that someone does porn for you.

Get bent tho :^)

>>80917329
Oh and I'd like to add that even juxtaposing the fluidity is the constant jerking and stiff movements.
Even when something is stationary in animation, you have to keep it moving, even if subtly; but I don't thinks subtlety is this animator's strong suit. It's constant motion, so when the character is standing still for a second, it looks and feels very stiff and unnatural.
And the character's colors and design don't exactly lend themselves well to animating in the first place, so there's that.

>>80912957

What I can tell has better animation then the new power puff girls

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>>80912957
For random internet person doing it as a side hobby?

Sure, yeah, great

For an animation major graduate?

Fuck no

>Talking about this chick again
She animates for attention. Not to tell any stories, if there is some type of message it could be animated in one scene but is instead stretched out into a self indulgence music video.

It is just exactly what it is, no meaning behind any of it but to listen to the music and see this gaudy character oddly flicker across the screen for a couple minutes.

>>80918383
This one is somewhat easier to follow, but god is that character design atrocious.

>>80913070
>solid design
nope

I guess? I don't find it aesthetically pleasing but I suppose it's well made.

>>80918383
i think the problem is the characters always move too fast, even here it looks like her neck is fucking snapping
on top of that her character designs are garbage
i feel she would work better under someone else's direction to keep her focused, and dont let her near character design at all

>>80912957
Yes. /co/'s just unwilling to admit it because it's furry.

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>>80918516
>I like stiff and jerky animation
>the rest of you are plebs

>>80918548
>it's overly fluid
>it's too stiff
Pick a complained, pleb.

>>80918700
It's both.
It's way too fluid in some areas, and it's jerky and stiff in others

>>80912957
Looks good. I'd probably watch a movie like this. As long as the writing's good.

Character design looks better than most furry designs.

>>80912957
It's fine.
All things considered, some of you /co/ nignogs are a little too uppity.

>>80918347
>animation is worthless if it's not used to for narrative purposes
That's the biggest pile of horseshit I've ever heard on /co/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvbNs7WSII

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>>80918800
It's okay to criticize things because they are bad, anon. It doesn't make you a bully

>>80918920
ayyyy my nigga prank is amazing.

>>80915622
The fact that her arms stick to her sides is really awkward and makes it seem she either doesn't know what to do with the characters arms during the movement, or just doesn't wanna bother animating it.

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>>80918920
Now that was fucking incredible

But what the hell even was it?

>>80918940
>bully
No one mentioned bullying except you, Anon.
Guilty conscience?

>>80915622

It's like she doesn't give her animation enough time to settle

>>80919047
Not really. Usually places that are afraid to criticize become hugboxes for the sole purpose of being anti-bully.
But you're shutting out criticisms by calling the ones who have problems with it 'furries' or 'plebs' as a way of writing them off.

>>80919026
just a prank, bro

>>80914978
>overdo the mouth flaps
That shit bothers me the most, especially when they're so lazy with everything else

>>80918920
Jesus Christ.

>>80919026
Gellar Field failure I think.

>>80919078
I was wondering what major problem it had and I think this is it, the animations just move too much and too quick, you don't really get much opportunity to absorb what you're seeing before it changes.

>>80919081
>hugboxes...
Anon, I don't care about your persecution complex.
>'furries' or 'plebs'
Other than you being retarded, how did you manage to get those words from what I wrote?

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>>80919205
>watch her eyes disappear then reappear
>and she breaks that guy's neck as her boobs slowly float upwards into space

You can't make this shit up

>>80912957
>traditional animation is being kept alive by furries weebs
I wanna fucking die.

>>80919480
I want you to die 2

>>80912957
It looks like polished turd to be honest.

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>>80919288
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________(you)

>>80918383
Not enough/any easing.

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>>80912957
I consider it good fap bait even if I hate the music.

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Yeah, that animation is so clearly interior to major studio produced animation, why, it's almost like it was done with no budget by one person as a hobby for the sole purpose of their own enjoyment! And how dare they make pencil tests. Clearly it should have been straight to painted cells from word 1.

>>80919899
>Interior
Fuck, inferior. Ruined my own mocking post with autocorrect. Curse you Siri!

>>80912957
In this short clip? Yeah sure

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>>80919899
are you that furry lady called viv something?

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>>80912957
animation wise it's shit, but i'd fuck the sparkles out of that wolf.

>>80912957
It's cute. I'd fuck that fox.

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>>80919899
>one person
>no budget
>as a hobby
>for their enjoyment
>all in pencil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQ56_dfOfY

>>80912957
would bang.

take it slow too because I don't want her pussy or anything like that to disappear and reappear by frames if I go too fast.

>>80920102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

>>80912957
might tell it better if it was on webm but it's a cut above average as far as amateur animations go. if it was faster and smoother, that'll be better

>>80919899
This is 4chan. If it's not the best thing ever, it is shit and you are shit for liking it. On /v/ it's having a game that runs 4K 60fps, on /g/ it's installing Gentoo, on /co/ it's "everything that is not Richard Williams doesn't deserve to exist".

>>80912957
I would judge it if I knew what was happening.
The character is all over the fucking place too fucking fast I can't even blink because I'll miss something.
The result is the fact that every time the character stops or slows down everything starts to appear stiff while everything just becomes perfectly still besides some frames of her hair.
Also the design is deviantart tier.
Also the artist drew a singer or something and posted it like three times on her twitter so the artist would notice so she just does it for attention.

I watched this years animation Panel at Magfest and Vivzie was one of the three panelists who wasn't fuck awful (the others being Oney and Hotspin) and actually attempted to answer questions from the audience, so she seems like a decent enough person.
Ricepirate and Emily Youcis were horrendous, obnoxious retards and the people from Studio Yotta were just too dull.

>>80920348
I like the flow of the hair.
Movements need a bit longer so it's clearer what's happening. They could also be smoothened by making bigger movement arcs, with bigger curves. Some of the animation feels a bit restrained as is.

>>80920368
no, installing gentoo is something old linuxfags use to torture new linuxfags. Gentoo is a meme distro and installing it is more work than anyone should ever put into a computer.

>>80920348
it's a bit rough in spots, like sometimes there's a little too much secondary movement going on, but this is still damned good for one person's work. Hell, it'd be good for a small studio.

Besides, like my art teacher used to say, better to be risky and overshoot when you're starting out than hold back and never know your limits.

>>80915472
>>80917426
just checked him out and oh
oh

>>80914907
that s actually pretty crazy cute.

>>80920582
This sounds like something a person who never managed to install Gentoo would say.

>>80912957
Better than what I can do.

>>80920806
Best post in thread.

>>80915472
It's not even real animation, he just draws segmented sprites and uses flash to jiggle them around.
Real animation consists in drawing every single frame by hand.

her design is fucking awful

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>>80919899
damn... dont fuck with that panda. he kept getting up like it aint no thing

>>80915622
She's the Michael Bay of Internet animation.

>>80918920
>Posts an animation that has a clear narrative

>>80918920
As surreal as the animation itself is there's a clear narrative going on here.

>>80920102
>all pencil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcqoRPYWPjs
James needs to rework his lip synching tho

>>80912957
Considering it was all done by 1 person, it's not bad.

It's... above average, the colors are ridiculous being the same for both the character and the background, the character while it clearly is moving to a rhythm is not expressive enough, by this i mean specifically the arm's movement is literally nonexistent outside of interactions with other elements which is awkward to look at considering she is dancing specially since she is moving her torso like a noodle from side to side through an abusive use of smears, i feel like i'm watching a kid playing with a power cord making waves to be quite honest.

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This is still my favorite animation.

https://youtu.be/0a09juwNaGg

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>>80920735

>>80919899
actually all the stuff she does goes animation reels, those things you send to people to get hired, stuff that should be your best of the best.

So she's trying to get hired for this stuff, this is supposed to be her professional work, it isn't "just for fun" or "her own enjoyment" this is her career. These animations sole purpose is to get her a fucking job.

>>80921568
Tirrel is stinking talented.

>>80921568
Swiftcutter is cool.

>>80919899
Source on this webm? Reverse image search sent me back here.

>>80921568
Now this is good. No wobbly sparkledog shit, just pure feels.

>>80921989
Feels don't really communicate animation talent, that's a writing thing.

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>>80918920
>euphoria engine makes a cartoon

>>80921655
I thought Vivi was trying to be an independent animator/artist. I remember something said about her wanting to make her own movie and she does a comic series.

It feels like it's going at 100mph so it's hard to focus on one thing

>>80912957
The movement is nice, lots of keyframes... but quality-wise it's actually too good to fit the art style or the song. Faster paced, more exaggerated animation would have fit better.

Also fuck furry shit.

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their shoulders are literally never relaxed

But what about her personality?

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>>80922225
She DOES a comic, have been doing it for years now. It's currently going through a boring phase, but people hold out hope.

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>>80914907
That'd be a cool-ass idea. Here's something I made about a week ago as practice. Very rough. Shitty too. Any tips on how to improve from here lads?

>>80920206
Otaking rotoscoped a good chunk of that, he's only learning how to actually properly animate now.

I kinda want to fuck that sparklewolf.

>>80914907
This is cute!

>>80923135
Son, that's a jpg

>>80919480
Japan is putting out something like forty or fifty traditionally animated shows every three months.

>>80923399
I know I'm a fucking stipe. You don't have to go ape.
Here's the actual shit man
https://j.gifs.com/0ROw2y.gif

what does /co/ think of this here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIES3ii-IOg

>>80923597
a) They're all shit
b) You sure about that traditional animation? Everyone's been taking the easy way out for over a decade now.

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>>80923333
quad 3s confirmed >>80914907
is cute

>>80923628
Besides the obvious, actually plan out your animation, work on consistency between frames, and don't make your spacing so boring/1:1

Basically, read up on your fundamentals

>>80919899

You sound excruciatingly butthurt.

>>80922670
>those fucking noodle arms
She needs to relearn the basics but won't because M-MUH STYLE

>>80924114
Those aren't noodle arms
Like at all

>>80918383
the hair has plenty of time to fall hear, but it never does before here head snaps around. It's like her hair is either in 0G or is on a completely different fps to everything else

It's a case of good animation, poor art. The colouring is nice, though.

>>80915622
Oh shit now I see it...it's really choppy

Isn't this a huge problem for beginners?

I like her overall artstyle, but fuck those designs are shitty.

>>80924114
At least it's not CalArts. I find it somewhat charming instead of parroting everyone in the industry these days.

>>80922670
I think I've found her issue.
She needs to fucking learn about silhouettes.
A lot of her poses fuck over your eyes for a few seconds because you have to give it a good look-over before realizing what's an arm and what's a leg and where the body and arms start and end.
Early Spongebob did a good job of this, accentuating different poses, drawing out limbs to make different actions and emotions easier for the viewer to see.

>>80923636
>a) They're all shit
They're not. That's just a myth.

>b) You sure about that traditional animation? Everyone's been taking the easy way out for over a decade now.
The vast majority of anime is animated on pen and paper. Tablets are used too, but that's still hand-drawn animation.

>>80924393
I think the usual problem is either lack of frames doing almost only key frames or a beginner getting over ambitious and just making it way too smooth just making it up as they go without key frames. Mostly speaking from experience and what I saw in my traditional animation class.

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>>80918383
It looks good until she turns her head, where it looks like the animator used a motion smear, where they should have instead drawn multiples to represent quick movement, like in this pic

>>80918920
>when beautiful, fluid animation is used for purely comedic purposes

my fetish

>>80920724
I know, right?

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>>80924637
here's the smear.
There's actually two but this is the one doing the most work.

>>80923328
This.

>>80923630
cool, gave me chills.
The only thing is, it took me most of the video to figure out that the thing on her face was her nose and not her mouth

>>80925241
>>80923328
She would be 10/10 in the sheets, though you'll probably die after. Also she'll let you snort crack off her ass so that's a plus.

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>>80912957

arms too stiff, shoulders never fucking relaxed

I want to do unspeakable things to her ass. Why is she so hot yo

I will say this is a little discouraging. I'm almost outta school and I'm not even half this good. Not that I don't recognize flaws with it, but if I can't even do as well as something that's not that good, I really need to work harder.

>>80925815
Constantly comparing yourself to other artists is a losing battle, friend
Your improvement is yours and yours alone. Everyone has different paths

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we postin' our own animations now?
heres one from last semester

>>80926255
That's a comically small leaf, senpai

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>>80926255
Yeah, that leaf is really small. You should have spent more time working on layout. The animation on the leaf looks really smooth and it has nice arcs, so good job on that.

And are we posting our animations in this thread now? Here's a gif from a project I've been working on for a while now.

>>80926556
I'm really digging this, it reminds me of some of the recent idents on Adult Swim and Disney XD

>>80912957

>Do you consider this good animation?

I'll let you know just as soon as my eyes stop bleeding.

>>80926293
i wanted to do a cute little leaf but i suppose it was too small

>>80926556
thanks, yours is cool too, id work more on ease in/out though

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an animation I'm workin' on for my portfolio course. I didn't get very far on it because I'm working on a larger one.

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>>80926255
I like your tiny leaf anon.

I guess I should post something too. I just like to animate for fun.

>>80926556
At least one good thing about that animation is that it's three-dimensional. But it's hard to follow what happens in it.

>>80926923
Pretty good for the beginning of a clip

Man that jerky movement with no sense of depth or weight...has this person even done the "bag of flour" exercise in their life?

Also it's hideous sparkle dog shit with emo aesthetics from the early 00's.

>>80927231
Is that an excercise where a character has to lift one?

I once read about a Japanese animator who was tested (I think by a studio) and asked to draw a boy hammering down a nail with a huge hammer. Then they added that the hammer is made entirely out of iron.

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>>80914907
My first ever animation

>>80927289
The flour bag test is most often a test in which you give a bag of flour sentience. Because it is a bag of flour, the bottom is heavy and weighted while the top is somewhat loose and pulls the character. If the flour back is to move in a direction the weight distributes because that's how flour works which is why it's such a common practice tool for starting animation.

>>80919205
>levitating boobs

We should have more /co/ animation threads. It only ever really comes up when talking about youtube animators. I guess they could be posted in batman threads though.

>>80919345
This animation is also jerky and weird. Why do japanese cartoons have their girls jerk around awkwardly like that when they move?

>>80927344
I like it seeing the transition from rough animatic to story board but maybe use fewer frames when animating jumps

>>80912957
It's really bad. The designs are uninspired besides maybe 2-3 characters, the colours never really pop, because she never considered doing any ups and down with the overall feeling, it's like the whole thing starts and goes at 100% speed all the time. And that's how you see someone is new to animation (I know she did some before, but let's be real) - they think you should go with full energy all the time, with no room for a breather.

And that's why I dislike the video itself - it just goes, never stopping, like it's afraid of losing your attention of giving you time to look at the scene and what's happening. I understand she wanted to show this like a party, but even parties don't get as confusing as whatever she tried here with this fucking wolf jumping all the time, not stopping for a second.

>>80927470
Anime has different animation principles than American animation, which has largely been informed by Disney. Their ideal was to make the animation as smooth and seamless as possible, and they had the means to do so. Anime's origins are in very time and money-constrained television animation that was largely based on manga, and as such it developed a more economical form of animation that uses less frames, but with more detail in them.

>>80927344
It's got a decent foundation. If you want any advice on improvement.
Exaggerate the squash and stretch of the jump. Really stretch him up for the rise and fall and squash him down at the apex and especially when he hits the ground. When he's in the anticipation motion for the jump, have him squish down even more right before the jump to really enhance the action. Have the jump be less even frames. Slow in and Slow out; Have him stay at the apex of his jump longer and have his rise and fall be fast.
Finally I'd say practice the wave principle to make his tail follow the action more.

>>80927344
Personally, I think giving him some more bounce as he's landing would have helped this. The tail could have also been a bit more curved, it feels wooden in its movements. Maybe having it curve more into itself on that first movement.

Something about the your stretches and squishing doesn't feel right. Maybe you're not doing enough of it?

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>>80927843
But I've seen stuff made with fewer frames that didn't look so odd and jerky. But that gif is part of a larger tradition in japan of having the girls jerk weirdly when they move. It's like a bunch of random movements shoved together with no actual flow connecting them.

>>80927961
I don't see anything unusual about the animation.

>>80920102
Pokemon moon looks awesome

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Is it okay if we have personal animation threads on /co/, even if /ic/ exists? I'd really love that.
It will motivate me to start animating

>>80920863
I don't get the massive hateboners chans have for this. I mean sure, it's not as good-looking and lifelike as full animation is, but at least with tweening an artist can pull out something that moves relatively frequently. I mean, do people even know long it takes for one person to make a decent-looking animation frame by frame?

>>80920102
And of course it uses the same old flat cartoon perspective.

If filmmakers were forced to shoot all their movies like that they would soon be shooting themselves instead.

>>80928238
im down, honestly im surprised ive never seen one
though i assume mostly its getting posted in /ic

>>80928257
Quality over quantity

Sure I could shit stuff out like Cranky Construct, but I'd rather have something fully animated. There's no reason for me to "crank stuff out" if im not on a deadline

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>>80927861
>>80927907

Thanks. I want to get into animation, so it's nice to get some helpful advice. I'll keep it in mind for my next animation

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Heads up to the animators in the thread in case you didn't know, Toonz, the animation program used by Studio Ghibli and Futurama, is going open source

>>80928399
There's a thread about it, anon

>>80925435
10/10 I laught I cried I came buckets

>>80928257
Not that guy and I don't exactly hate those kinds of animations but making an animation entirely out of one tweened image often makes movements awkward and removes a lot of depth, making it feel like moving paper. I do animate and know how long it can take doing it frame by frame, especially when doing unfamiliar movements, but I also feel it is more rewarding and convincing.

I have some animated work, but almost all of it is for tests or class assignments. This one is a pretty old animation as well.

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<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/115356320">MichaelLipSync</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user35765436">Michael Oldham</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

>>80928601
well crap i guess i dont know how embedding works

>>80928652
You can't embed anything yourself, the board does it for you when you post a link. But I don't think embedding is supported for Vimeo.

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>>80928399
Furrikane is the silent guardian of our society

>>80929343
Why is each character drawn there have BOTH shoulders hunched like that? Does this person really not know what to do with the arms at all?

>>80929137
She does that thing where all of their appendages are squished inwards. it was really popular on deviantart a few years back

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>>80929343
>colour-changing furry

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>>80926610
>>80926778
Thanks!

>>80927140
Thank you! I can see where you're coming from, most of the critique I've gotten back on this project was to slow things down. The majority of the animation is still roughed out so I can always go back and add in more frames.

>>80912957
Animation, yes.
Not a fan of the concept though.

>>80915622
>Because she gives the illusion of being good.
I'm not going to go into details because you don't deserve it, but you are a sad, sad little man.

>>80929814
If you had actually read his post further you might have noticed this part too:
>To amateurs (Her fanbase), it looks like she knows what she's doing. To everyone else, they can see her obvious flaws...

shes decent
pretty good for an amateur but i think she studied animation?
got a ways to go though

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>>80912957
Yes. Yes I consider it good animation. Better than some "professional" animation. No, I'm not talking about Problem Solverz. I'm looking at you PPG Reboot.

Animation looks choppy and everything goes too fast. Also the character design is cancer.
I'm no artist but the animation is done in really poor taste.

>>80912957
The movement was good but the lip syncing was terrible. As was the general setup of the whole thing. IT's like they made it without storyboarding first.

>>80929899
>Comparing a solo animator who actually wants to be skilled to a Korean studio phoning it in and just blindly following poor storyboards so they get paid.

>>80929437
these character designs are abhorrent. what even is that orange thing on the left? why does everyone constantly have their shoulders hunched? why do they almost always hide a majority of their fingers in some way? i can't stand obnoxious styles like this.

I watched the full video and nothing happens. Literally there's no narrative, not even some kind of action, the sparklewolf just runs around and sings

>>80930199
its a music video Anon

>>80929343
Everything on this picture looks so incredibly tense, it's hard to look at it.

>>80930225
Music videos can have stories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF_C7BvAf_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQgXeY_zi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyj4JFSErrw

Or at the very least, if they are just going to be pure eye candy, they could have visuals that match up with the lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKemSP-Ei58

This is just some furry artist who wanted to draw her sparklewolf OC to her favorite pop singer. Literally deviantart tier shit with a nice coat of gloss painted over it.

>>80930323
>want to draw your characters dancing and singing to a pop song you like
Hey, if you want to do it, and you can pull it off, I don't mind just seeing a bunch of characters just having a party. I just can't bring myself to hate it.

>no one single good animation ITT
Where the fuck is the perspective?

>>80915622
"gives the illusion of being good"

if it looks good for most, it looks good for most. Sure she needs to work on her technique, but so far she's probably doing a whole hell of a lot more toward becoming a good animator than anyone in this goddamn thread.

>>80930773

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjT9ujNOm0

>>80912957
too fat

>>80930973
>but so far she's probably doing a whole hell of a lot more toward becoming a good animator than anyone in this goddamn thread.
1. Not everyone in this thread wants to be an animator.
2. Those that do are at different learning curves. The majority of the people who posted here are doing animation for the first time, Viv has been doing it consistently for 5+ years.
3. She has been animating the exact same way for 5+ years with no hopes of improving. She's in a rut, she is not advancing, she is not getting better. There's no race because she's barely participating.
4. She went to college and still animates like an amateur. Doesn't matter if I can't animate for shit, a person can still be criticized for that.

The "At least they're DOING something!" or "Let's see your work!" argument is a poor one. You don't criticize a person based on the skill level around you, you criticize them based on them alone. And she is shit. Sorry Viv, you're shit. You wouldn't be shit if you showed signs of improving, but you repeatedly cast away all criticism as "nitpicking" or "muh style".

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>>80931290
I think it's quite possible that she's been trying to defend it in here, which, if that's the case; it kinda defeats the purpose of putting it up asking if it's "good" because, again, if that's the case, she's not looking for criticism, she's looking for praise

>>80930973
The people in this thread are pretty good for amateurs. Don't be a faggot just because some people insulted your furry god.

Wouldn't call it excellent but it's got something considering is an internet animation

>>80931290
Is it just me, or do the "noodle-arms" people never take criticism well?

>>80915622
What is her animation about? It's always this chick dancing?

>>80931648
https://vimeo.com/user16993114/videos

Find out for yourself.
The only good thing she's made is Timber. But the animation is sitll jerky and shit, it's not as bad as her later stuff.

I'm not a pencil animator yet though I'd like to learn But here's a sprite animation I made if you want to see it
http://picsandpixels.deviantart.com/art/Birthday-Birdie-585140898

>>80931703
Yo that is cute. How long have you been animating.

>>80931688
Of all the furry artists on the Internet why is /co/ making a hate thread on this one in particular?

Even if she's financially successful / popular because of these animations, I can probably find something more deserving of hate in a few minutes on Google.

>>80931871
Technically not a hate thread, but she got kinda popular after that one music video so now more people are taking notice and posting opinions and such. Semi-popular things always get some backlash on a place like 4chan.

>>80931861
truly animating full length like this, this was actually my first time. And It's made me realize that I can make a lot more of these but irl and online obligations have been making it difficult for me to focus on my own things.
I've made small animations and loops for quite a while, but this is my first "narrative" let's say.
Unless you count this, but it's more like a gameplay experiment:
http://orig11.deviantart.net/2271/f/2014/075/3/d/seeing_stardust_by_picsandpixels-d7aiwzy.gif

>>80932001
whoops. didn't mean to spoiler ALL the text there

Just watched the video.
Nearly every movement is either a whip or a bounce. Plus, the breast and hair are too floaty while the rest of the body is too stiff.

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>>80912957
There's definitely a lot of merit, but at the same time, I kinda see it as being bad - there is so much shit on the screen at one time, and so much is happening that there is no focal point. Colors are loud and EVERYWHERE. Characters swoop side to side in the frame.

It's just intensely busy. It's definitely ambitious, but the people that worked on it need to learn subtlety and composition.

inb4 >subtlety in a sparkledog

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>>80931871
>criticizing animation
>"hate thread"

>>80931871
She's literally one of the most popular web animators around. You can Google "Animated music video" and she's one of the top results. She's one of the top funded artists on Patreon. The more popular the person, the more talk they will get. This isn't a difficult thing to figure out.

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>>80929343
>Works to fight against oppression.

I finally looked at the video itself, and it's just really hard to "read," to the point that it starts hurting my eyes. And it has the same old cartoon animation style that American animation has been mostly stuck in for almost a century now, which doesn't earn it any points either.

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>>80929343
>has a fondness for simple living
>dressed like an 80s material girl pop addict
>and dyes her hair and fur constantly

I feel like some of these traits were added just for the sole purpose of being unique to her, but they're really conflicting with other character traits

>>80929343
The readibility is so bad it immediately made me think of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

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>>80929343
>is a feminist
>works to help fight oppression

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>>80925435

I want to fuck that wolf

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>>80929343
>11'3 ft

>>80932128
C'mon I can recognize a hate thread when I see one. I've also seen the blue sparkledog a few times on the board.

>>80932132
It took me a while to find her and she makes 1.6k on Patreon. I wouldn't call that top money, there's so much worse.

>>80929343
Jesus Christ my eyes.. Can this image sit still for a moment so I can read?

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>>80932831

>>80927105
i really like your animation anon

>>80932831
She is surprisingly huge.

>>80932928
>It took me a while to find her and she makes 1.6k on Patreon. I wouldn't call that top money, there's so much worse.
Not most funded, one of their top artists. She's on their Featured list.

I wonder if the artists keeps her shoulders raised and forearms arms glued to her body at all times too

>>80932948
>that animation
>good

>>80912957
fuck yes

>>80932948
Thanks. I need to animate more. Wanna try something with dynamic backgrounds eventually.

>>80933116
Yeah I need quite a bit of work. That was really the first time I've tried changing camera angles and such so its pretty wonky and has poor timing.

>>80933160
Look at some japanese anomations, your animation style is sloppy and the perspective is terribly wonky.

>>80933116
>>80933195
There is literally nothing wrong with that animation.

>>80933221
ya there is
>every animation I see is good
At least try.

>>80933195
Yeah I know. Perspective is difficult and new to me so I haven't practiced it a lot like I should.

>>80933221
It's fine anon, I know I've got a lot of weaknesses. I just try to get better at a slow rate.

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>>80933272
No, you're actually just being an over critical faggot who made a claim the animation was somehow bad when it's one of the best in the thread.

Maybe you should at least try not to show how jealous you are of people's talents. Your criticisms might have been valid if you didn't post this first before anything else:
>>80933116

>>80933329
Why would I be jealous of some no name faggot's talents? There are already tons of animation artists.
I admire work, I don't care about trying to be the best at said work.

>>80929137
>>80929160
I swear most of this is traced from "Streets of Gold" in Oliver and Company

>>80933195
Some Japanese animators have intentionally sloppy and wonky styles. More so than his animation.

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I normally post animations in the Batman and /ic/ thread. I don't like posting things I've already shared so I'll just pull something I know no one's seen: One of the five shots that I like in my unfinished thesis film.

Had to reduce the colors to shit just to meet the upload limit here.

>>80933775
Really enjoy that part where he falls down and crawls a bit. A lot of character in the movement.

>>80933640
Like whom?

>>80933195
>recomending Japanese animation for smoother animation

Kek

>>80933936
Kill yourself, stupid westerner.

>>80933116
>Stating
>Facts

>>80932831
She's a big dog.

>>80933936
>hating Japanese animation on a website made for anime

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>TFW Jay Jay's overall design is atrocious and these animations are overall shoddy as hell but I would wreck that sparkledog pussy like there's no tomorrow if given the chance

>>80933902
Shinya Ohira and Masaaki Yuasa at least.

https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/5109/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/11242/

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>>80934031

>>80934178
Ohira did like no animation work last year though.

>>80934178
This is some pretty neat stuff.

>>80933902
Don't know who's leading in particular but Studio BONES is using a loose style for the Mob Psycho 100 anime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8g3TuKsQHs

>>80927105
I really like the slow buildup into the run. I'd say I'd want to see it be a little bit more gradual before the bunny speeds off and the camera move is a bit hard to follow, but everything else is pretty spot on.

>>80934741
Kenji Kawai seems like an odd pick judging by this trailer.

>>80921568

The music sucks. The musician is Fox Amoore and a massive self-entitled hack.

He tries too damn hard to make his music sound like generic harry potter fantasy music and it's really bland and canned, but furries eat it up because they have never heard anything better.

>>80932939
John K. was a mistake.

>>80934857
No shit.
There is no such thing as good furry animation.

what does /co/ think about this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUR09yRHZU

>>80934893
More like furries are easily impressed by anything that looks like it has high production value.

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>>80920348
Say whatever you want, but it's still better than most crap we get these days.

>>80934959
>Say what you want about Sausage Party, at least it's an R-rated animation film instead of another kiddie film!

That's not how progress works, Anon.

>>80934948

"Dude I'm sooooo weird lmao"

>>80934952
It's disheartening when I see people praise shoddy animation just for the sake of it moving.
They fail to understand the people that actually defined animation as a medium and those who continue that pursuit.

>>80919345
that is what we call a pencil test.

This is reaching 90% furry.

>>80934948
Interesting.

my unfinished shitty pencil test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdmlHnVT_ZQ

>>80929814
>I'm just going to be smug and condescending in hopes that people think I'm an expert who's above explaining myself.

I like the hair and tail movement.It looks bouncy and wavy.
I like the curves.The shoulders aren't that bad, I'm pretty sure that's just a stylistic choice. Yeah nobodies arms are that tense but nobodies eyes are that big either.I think the tense shoulders make the character lean more towards a specific direction.

Maybe too much color.The sparkle dog design isn't that bad it could be a lot worse.
The animations really quick but so is the song.Now that you pointed out the lip sync is off I can't unsee it.
Some of the background characters have really unsettling designs. Which would be a great design for something with less color and more creepy vibes but its not and it looks really out of place.

>>80918383
>>80919205
>>80920348
>>80912957
This fox is too sexy compared the the rest of the animals.

It make me uncomfortable

>>80935311
I think the choreography is pretty nice but some of the actions scenes go a bit too fast or could be eased out a bit more.

>>80935311
It looks ok but hopefully for the final you make sure the scenes and movements flow into one another more organically. Have more recoil flowing into motions and more anticipation. The part where she deflects his punch is especially stiff.

>>80934741
I hope the anime will look like that and it's not the trailer...
It'll be my most loved anime of the year if they do.

>>80924393
She's a trained art school (animation major) graduate, m80.

>>80935937
I'll be honest. Art school gives you the foundation but beyond that, your ability to improve is mostly on you. They just give you tasks that allow you to build your skill.
Also some art schools are less demanding than others. I'm not even half that good and I'm 2 quarters from graduation.

>>80936081
Which just means her lack of improvement is entirely on her, means she wasted her opportunities during college.

Do American animation schools even teach anything except cartoon animation?

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>>80927105
Oh you're the one that favorited my animation!
That's so cute and energetic! And the way she zigzags when she dashes off, leaving a cloud of smoke reminds me very much of Sonic CD's opening animation
sorry, I just got back

>>80912957

my rock hard erection considers it good

>>80932939
This would be interesting animated.

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>>80936288
I know what your point is, but that isn't the way to prove it. Some pictures depend on color to break up shapes. You could have a red and a blue of the same shade that are easy to tell apart, but then instant you greyscale it, they blend.

That being said, yes, her picture is bad. It's more because it's cluttered with too many colors in small increments close to each other and too much texture with illegible text, not because it doesn't read when greyscaled.

>>80935428
she a werewolf

What is this from. Looks decent

>>80934097

im right there with you man

>>80936284
Thank you. Your sprite work is pretty cute too. Also how different is it animating sprites than doing it in some other program? I've always liked the aesthetic but it looks like it'd be even more tedious than animating in most other traditional mediums.

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>>80935058
Yeah no shit?
Overlooking your condescending remark, that's no excuse for an animation being poorly/unrealistic.
Or are you going to try to justify broken neck/ floating boobs?
The eyes disappearing I can sort of understand, but the other two were deliberate

>>80936512
Maybe if you just read the thread.

>>80936704
It's just seriously difficult to even look at these.

>>80936704
>>80936756
Stop shilling your art, Viv. You're not good.

>>80936510
Still creeps me out.

>>80936648
Thanks! And it's funny that you mention.
Spriting comes naturally to me, and I've tried hand-drawn animation in the past, but to me, you can be surprisingly more precise with sprite animation. It might be more tedious, but I haven't worked enough with hand-drawn animation to be able to tell for sure.
I animate my sprites frame-by-frame though, so that's a lot like hand-drawn I suppose.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it's not difficult, but it does require a lot of patience and attention to detail. It's fun to me, I just don't have enough time to sit down and make a bunch of them with everything going on yet

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>>80914907
Not even slightly creepy

>>80936936
Looks like a cartoon skeleton in this frame. Neat.

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>>80912957
It looks okay overall. But the artist tried too hard to make their furry creature look unique by giving her too many fluorescent colors. I don't know why the majority of furry artists like to do this. It went from colorful to offensive. Whatever happened to less is more?

>>80937121
Because if they don't make their characters look "unique" they just look like the rest of the generic furries.

>>80937187
Well it ended up looking generic anyway. Furries typically use bright eye catching colors.

>>80937255
Neon blue or teal is really popular.

>>80937187
Well you COULD just... go for a uniquely designed character?
Instead of just being "Generic furry BUT WITH SPLASH OF COLOR"
Sorry but color and accessories mean nothing if the design itself isn't very good. It's spray painting a statue with a shitload of colors and designs when the statue itself is pretty shitty and boring

>>80937328
Don't shoot the messenger, it's just an observation I noticed.

>>80937328
People think design actually attests for 90% of the character. It doesn't. Zootopia is just animals with clothing but the characters are engaging as hell. That's all that matters. That's what people like Viv need to realize.

Or maybe she realizes how boring her characters are and feels the need to compensate with overly textured and colorful designs.

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>>80937396
royal you

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>>80937464
No, it doesn't, at all. I'm glad you think so too.
To me, designs should serve to exemplify the character's personality and outlook, or maybe, if in a deeper story, designs on the character could serve as some kind of symbol of their psyche or purpose. But it's rare that this is done right.
Far too many times do people tend to make crazy designs like OP and think that this will somehow tell a story about their character that is meaningful or interesting; when sadly, it just ends up being obnoxious or overdone

>>80912957
It's way too fucking fluid. Fluidity is good, but it needs solidity to contrast with. This just goes all over the place.

>>80936424
>watching normal human legs crack and reshape themselves into digitigrade legs
That would be horrifying

>>80922670
Her shoulder is attached to her ear. Cat thing is cute though.

>>80914907
That awesome

how'd you get into animating/sketching? Is it a hard skill to learn?

>>80936146
I thought they also taught figure drawing, composition and colour theory.
but given the quality of viv's animation i'm going to assume she either failed those subjects or they dropped them entirely.
Also isn't she the furfag that went nuclear because zootopia had a similar to her webcomic?

>>80937825
Not him but I would say it is. I have been drawing for a while now and I tried my hand at animation. It's a whole other set of rules to learn. It requires more work than just drawing stills which is all I do. And it is all drawn frame by frame, and if you are any good, you will spend a lot of time on each one.

I tried Flash, but I didn't like it because the lines were thick and it didn't really have pressure sensitivity for thin lines. Then I tried TVPaint which is better but more difficult to use. I honestly just wish I could animate in PS but I can't because I have a pirated version.

>>80936656
I'm not defending OP's animation because it isn't that good to me either. It has insufficient frames for what it is trying to present. Also, most modern animators often leave redundant frames in pencil/line tests. It is still a stage where animators still configuring movements and shits. It is understandable why she leaves some frames out, like the broken neck and floating boobs you mentioned.

Full clip for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PKNuZovuSw

Compliants
>Some of the still-frame drawing is pretty werid to look at. Her smile often crosses up above her snout which is uncanny
>Some of head movement when she is singing is very fluid but then suddenly come to abrupt pauses, happens repeatedly
>Conversation of head to body ratio compromised at least once in every scene

Praises
>Sexy foxy made me uncomfortable

>>80937965
There's this open source software Krita. The new updates includes animation tool.

>>80937965
http://www.avclub.com/article/animation-software-used-futurama-and-studio-ghibli-234046

How about a free version of the software used for Futurama and Ghibli movies?

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>>80912957
Why is this posted so often? I feel as though this verbatim circlejerk of criticism is meaningless because A. Anyone and everyone I've seen post their "animation" on /co/ is just cookie-cutter bullshit aimed to please the ever-critical pretentious faggots on this board. And B. I don't think anyone in the business would waste their time on this piece of shit board.

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>>80938096
I'll look into it.

>>80938112
Oh fuck yeah, I will keep an eye out for that then. Hopefully the software is easy to use like PS. Thanks anon.

>>80924858
Definitely should have had more smears than 2

So few means the animators was definitely trying to make the transition appear quick but ended up pushing it toward instantaneous. You can have manage multiple swears and still making the movement look snappy boils down to how well you can draw than animate

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>>80938036
>It's even more obnoxious with the music
That can't be a good sign
And I actually like Ke$ha to a degree

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>>80938188
>And B. I don't think anyone in the business would waste their time on this piece of shit board.

>>80937965
Thats neat anon. I could only ever draw stick figure tier drawing and never really cared much in my youth how to do this stuff. Now, I suddenly have the passion to draw and have been trying for the past few days it has not gone well but I'll keep trying

>>80938244
Nice meme, reminds me of the time I visited my Aunts Facebook page. Now give an example or fuck off you dumb cunt.

>>80938188
Say what you want about 4chan but the one thing it does well is give you unfiltered critique. No where else will people be willing to give you critique on demand at least not Deviant art or tumblr. For that I love 4chan and I always welcome any critique I get.

>>80938295
To get good at anything you have to keep practicing. I've been drawing since I was six and I'm still learning new shit every day. Don't get discouraged and keep at it. You can do it!

>>80938188
It gets posted like two or three times a month, faggot. We've had more PPG and SU threads in the last hour.

What's with people like you thinking we can't talk about /co/ things on /co/? You can argue "Post Your Waifu" threads are barely /co/ yet they're frequent.