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http://www.starwars.com/news/return-to-star-wars-the-force-awakens-in-marvels-new-adaptation-cover-reveal

>>80883916
Maybe THIS version of the story will explain to us just what the fuck the relationship between the Resistance and the Republic is!

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>>80883916
No thanks.

>>80883932
Normies don't care about stuff like that.
That's why they're saving it for books

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Would he been a better choice for the role of kylo ren?

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>>80883916

>>80883916
What happened to her eyes?

>>80884313
Well, Kylo did over act

>>80884313
Driver did a good job, but there is a severe lack of handsome males in the cast 2bh. So yeah, Cumberbatch would've been a good choice.

>>80884313
Fuck no, I'm just so tired of his face and fanbase ... which oddly enough only seems to like him if he's in shenanigans with that Watson actor he starred with in BBC Sherlock. I know that his movie about the Wikileaks founder flopped horribly, even though he was quite sure his "cumberbitches" would see it, but people happily projected the Watson/Sherlock dynamic onto Smaug and Bilbo.

>>80884313

No. He can't act for shit. He's had several chances and everything he plays he just dicaprios into the ground. All he has going for him is his looks and his typecasting.

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>>80884406
>Driver did a good job

>>80884381
>Her eyes are Triangles
>>80884372
>Triangles
>Star Destroyers are Triangles
>Star Destroyers Imperial
>The Sith are Imperial
>The Sith like Triangles
>Rey likes seeing
>Rey is a Sith
confirmed

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>>80884381
Where we're going, we don't need eyes to see.

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>>80884406
Boyega and Isaac are ridiculously handsome, what the fuck are you talking about

>>80884406
>Baneflick Cucumberpants
>good looking

He looks like a strange horse

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>>80883440
I legit don't understand the humor here. Is the reference enough?

>>80883932
Same relationship as with Russia and Novorossija. Or perhaps USA and ISIS is better?

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>>80884611
>Boyega and Isaac
Gleeson and Isaac

>>80884611
Boyega is handsome outside of the movie, but not in the movie. I think it's mostly because of his haircut, and he's always sweaty and panting.

>>80884715
Man he was drenched in the movie
Not even Teh Rey was covered in that much sweat

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>>80884569
He was the best thing about the movie, and defenitely a level above Boyega and Ridley

>>80884728
It stood out more because he was black. When the light reflects off the sweat there is a very noticeable contrast.

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>>80884756
>and defenitely a level above Boyega and Ridley

>>80884569
He did. He was one of the few good things about The Force Awakens, along with Oscar Issac and Mark Hamill looking spiffy at the premier.

>>80884756
His mouth, jaw and ears are odd. Did Leia use deathsticks? Did they meta-in Carrie's coke addiction?
They chose him because he looks like that artwork from the old EU, of one of the Solo kids turned evil

>>80884756
I don't think it's fair to say his acting was a level above. He performed well and had a more serious character and Rey and Finn were a little goofy at times, but Boyega and Ridley still performed well. There may be more to appreciate about Driver's character, but no performance seemed a level above any other.

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>>80883916
Rey, your face looks a bit skewed.

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>>80884802
Don't kid yourself. It's just one obscure artwork that anon dug up a couple threads ago from a book no one read. All other show Jacen as a conventionally handsome guy.
>>80884847
Maybe I thought that because his character was more complex. Either way, I liked him more than Finn or Rey.

>>80885136
He is handsome in his own way, but undeniably weird looking because his face is not symmetrical.

>>80885209
>but undeniably weird looking because his face is not symmetrical
So that's why his face bothers me
It's not symmetrical

>>80885209
>>80885218
>Believing everyones faces are symmetrical.

Anons...I don't want to be the bearer of bad news buuuut..

>>80885244
Driver's mug is more assymetrical than average guy's

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Dark Empire sure was stupid. I gave it another read recently. Time hasn't made it any better.

>>80885277
The whole premise of Luke falling to the dark side is shitting on OT almost as much as the prequels did, if not more.

>>80885218
Yeah, symmetry is a big deal when it comes to people's perception of attractiveness. There are many studies that go over this and it is not limited to faces. The McDonald's logo for example, it is symmetrical to draw people's eyes to it.

>>80885244
Not everybody's faces are symmetrical, but evidently some are more than others. They also don't have to be perfectly symmetrical, just symmetrical enough to catch somebody's attention. Driver's is undoubtedly unsymmetrical to most at first glance. They may not literally think it is asymmetrical, but they will notice something it is off.

>>80885289
>Luke falling to the dark side
I want this, to be honest. It could work with Snoke being the evilest evil and Luke being manipulative like Sheev.

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>>80885557
ROTJ was all about Luke coming closer and closer to the dark side and, in the climax confronting it only to ultimately reject it. He should for all intents and purposes be incorruptible

>>80885557
>I want this, to be honest.
It's a terrible idea. Luke's arc of spiritual growth came to a pointed, resonant conclusion with the throne room scene in Return. Going backwards with Luke being some evil lord would only make for a contrived mess. Aside from the visceral response of "Woah! Evil Luke!" there's no reason to take it that direction.

>>80885557
>Luke being manipulative like Sheev.
But that is entirely out of character for Luke. Sheev has been manipulative since before the movies. Luke started out as a dumb as dirt farmer boy and didn't become the hero of the Rebellion by being a mastermind. If his own father, who he idolized, or the Sheevster himself couldn't turn him, then nobody could. Not even himself.

>>80885608
>that image
This stuff can be corny, but it's the visual storytelling like this and the other little things that makes me love Star Wars so much much more.

>>80885608
Dodging a bullet once does not make you bulletproof. Add a few decades of Mothma shitting the place up, endless war against empire remnants and general disarray as nobody trusts the new republic to not be shit, and then ask him how he feels.

>>80885660
It doesn't matter. The point is it's a very contrived and pointless development for Luke given everything we know about him, and more importantly would undermine the thematic significance of that very character arc. The story would gain nothing from it but a chance to put Hamill in black.

>>80885628
Luke is already different in TFA though. He went into hiding for no reason and probably sent his own daughter to live with scum. Doesn't look like a good old Luke.

>>80885660
I doubt he's feeling bad compared to how the way he felt during the final confrontation with Vader and the Emperor while he was watching the demise of the Rebellion and still managed to resist temptation.

>a few decades of Mothma shitting the place up
How do we know anything about the New Republic? Is this in one of the novels?
>endless war against empire remnants
A treaty was signed which wasn't broken until VII
>nobody trusts the new republic to not be shit
Again how do we know this? I doubt the people feel like things were better when they had to worry about being burned alive by an Imperial hit squad.

>>80885716
>He went into hiding for no reason
I remember it being explained or implied that he goes into hiding because of Kylo's betrayal and he also needs to find out about Snoke. Visiting old Jedi Temples most likely has something to do with that.

>sent his own daughter to live with scum
Does that make him bad? If Rey is his daughter than he would have done it to protect her. It's like how he was left with his Uncle and Aunt so Vader wouldn't find him. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

If anything, he is unhappy. I don't see how anything could indicate him turning evil. He certainly is different because of how much older he is, but I don't think he's a different person fundamentally. Also remember that Obi-Wan has done pretty much the same things as you said Luke has, but Obi-Wan is still a good guy.

>>80885716
His own nephew, perhaps his prized pupil, destroyed the work of his life. We don't know what he was looking for at the First Jedi Temple not why he didn't came back.

Also Rey may not he his daughter, or he could believe sur was dead, or could not know he vas à child. Anyway it's not Luke who left her on Jakku.

>>80884627
>I legit don't understand the humor here.

Your journey into Heathcliff has only just begun young one

>>80885722
>A treaty was signed which wasn't broken until VII
Except the 'Resistance' and funding it.

>>80885774

there is a rather large difference between the two.

Leaving an infant boy with his actual (even if they are by-marriage-relations) family, in a relatively safe homestead, with a family income, and one of the greatest Jedi Master's of the age as a covert guardian...

And leaving a little girl 'safe' with an alien who would only use her for profit (in a totally 'PG' rated way, as this is Disney, not HBO) where she would be forced to learn how to defend herself with a metal pole, after learning how much victims suffer, do life threatening labor to scrape by for over a decade, and live by herself in a ruined war machine. She even hates to be touched, if you note how she first reacts to Finn. Classic signs of someone who has had a hard life.

My personal belief is that after Kylo 'saves' her at the academy, he couldn't bear to kill her, and was the one who spared her by leaving her on the dustball. I really doubt it was Luke. He may even have believed she died, thus one of the motives to live on that planet.

>>80886060
The First Order broke the Galactic Concordance first, as they had stormtroopers and capital ships.

The Resistance is not directly fund by the Republic, but by some senators. Leia and her group are seen as warmongers and mill-crusaders.

>>80886082
>My personal belief is that after Kylo 'saves' her at the academy, he couldn't bear to kill her, and was the one who spared her by leaving her on the dustball. I really doubt it was Luke. He may even have believed she died, thus one of the motives to live on that planet.
Rey was dropped on Jakku before Kylo Ren turned to the dark side, anon. He has nothing to do with it.

>>80885660
It was more like Neo learning to stop bullets altogether

>>80886087
beautiful

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>>80886030
A jouney I don't wish to undertake, my elder.

>>80886126
Besides, Kylo would've recognized her.

>>80886126
>Rey was dropped on Jakku before Kylo Ren turned to the dark side
[citation needed]

>>80886203
I'm pretty sure he did

>>80886216
That's not the impression I got from him.

>>80886241
>A GIRL?????

>>80886256
Kylo wqs just being misogynistic

>>80886256
>WHAT GIRL??
>IT IS YOU!!

>>80886290
He didn't seem mysogynistic when he met her.

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Real Human Beans.

>>80886322
>WHAT GIRL??
The Resistance droid with the map to Luke stole a freighter, accompanied by a traitor stormtrooper who know about Starkiller. The situation was getting out of hand, a contrary to the other two she was an unknown in the equation. Kylo Ren is unstable, and just destroyed a control panel. So yeah, it fits with his character if he doesn't know her.

Besides, he never call her by name (only as "the girl" or "the scavenger"), is surprised BB-8 show her the map, or that she is strong in the Force.

>IT IS YOU!!

The awakening he felt earlier. It was her leaving Jakku.

Kylo Ren has a fascination to Rey, but it seems more to me he has no idea who she is. Maybe suspicions, but it's only when she grabs the lightsaber he seems to have a revelation (and thus mean he didn't know before).

>>80886203
Keep in mind that several novelizations leave in the line "It IS you" from Kylo when the lightsaber jumps to Rey's hand.

>>80884406
>cucumberpatch
>handsome

>>80886469
>AP5-A teaches mutton man the importance of friendship, the two run Rebel intel until they get Vader'd
Would watch

>>80887510
> AP-5 has more military experiences and successes and teaches him real tactics

Would rather watch

>>80887559
>Implying Kallus is a shit commander
I ain't starting this go-round again.

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>>80885289
>shitting on OT almost as much as the prequels did
Like, how?

>>80887652
I'm not saying he's shit, but AP5 has more experience than him, and a human getting schooled by a droid is just hilarious. Hell, have AP5 school everyone on navigation.

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http://makingstarwars.net/2016/03/rogue-one-a-star-wars-storys-new-droid-sidekick-description-quick-sketches/
I just realized that the droid character's description in Rogue One sort of reminds me of the HK series droids.

>>80888242
It looks so shifty, I like it.

>>80885608

>that image

Those dumb fuckers. The jedi robes were supposed to be black in the first place to show the jedi's lack of emotion and detachment, but the fucking desert robes latched on instead.

>>80888383
Kind of related, has there ever been a Sith who wore white because taking "Dark Side" literally gets boring after a while?

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Gillen might be having a little too much fun with his work...

>>80888383
We literally see jedi robes at the end of the movie, dumbass

Stop listening to youtube reviewers

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>>80888383
there's a difference between the Tatooine robes and Jedi Robes, open your fucking eyes.

>>80888383
then why did Anakin appear in Obi-wan's robes back in 1983 as well?

>>80888242
I feel like shit because I prejudged Rogue One's cast for not having droid or alien characters. I'm so glad I was wrong.

>>80883932
From what I heard that was explained in the bits of Leia's arc that were cut out.
Basically the resistance is a bunch of people that do not agree with the republics political stance of sitting on their ass and want to continue fighting the remnants of the empire until they are all gone. Which is why they are just a badly equipped and unorganized like the Rebels.

Basically Leia is a Senator by day and the leader of the Resistance by night.

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>>80887671
>I am incapable of reading the thread: the post
>>80885608
>>80885622
>>80885628

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>>80888450

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>>80883916
>OT Stormtroopers

>>80886087
The aside is great.

>>80888242
It's not going to be HK though. Just a close enough version, like Kylo Ren to Jacen Solo

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>>80888808
>He's retarded

>>80888818
In EpVIII they are gonna travel back in time, after modifying the Falcon with a Flux Capacitor, to go back in time to kill Hitler. Err... Palpatine I mean. Turns out Finn is actually Lando's Dad and Rey is Shmi.Who knew?

Is it true that you guys leaked a song called "Ahsoka's Fate"?

>>80888928
I took a leak somewhere.

Does that count?

>>80888928
It wasn't us per se. The music composer uploaded the soundtrack to soundcloud, and we freaked out when we found a song called "Ahsoka's Fate" (it's the mid-season trailer music) and then the tracks were promptly pulled off the internet.

>>80889016
Well that explains it

>>80888928
>>80889016
>>80889144
Nah, I leaked it. It was all me.

Ahsoka is Snoke.

>>80888853
What if it is HK though? Wouldn't that make KOTOR canon?

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>>80889991

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>>80889991
What about that Hammerhead ship in the Leia episode? DOES IT MAKE THE WHOLE KOTOR STORY AND CHARACTERS CANON?

>>80890017
What?

>>80890108
Kotor references Naga Sadow. Does this make Tales of the Jedi canon?

We should make a game out of shit from the EU being made canon through references and see how batshit insane it can get.

So before the canon wipe did the movie pages on wook reference EU stuff? For example did the ROTJ page talk about how the Emperor couldn't use battle meditation during the battle of Endor and that's what caused the stormtroopers to get their shit completely wrecked by ewoks? Because if so then I imagine the movie pages were fucking huge from all the shit from the movies that was elaborated on in the EU.

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>>80890230
¿but pabby, if melakor is in repels than reven is cannon?

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>>80890280

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>>80890280

In all seriousness though, Pablo answered this literally 3 days ago in Rebels Recon. Bringing small things into canon doesn't make the entire book/game/whatever canon.

>>80890223
I don't think they went into that much detail but they did reference EU stuff on the movie pages. Usually it'd be under appearances and you'd see "battle meditation" listed for example.

>>80890280
Correction, Revan is canyon

>>80890372
Red van is canned Ann? What?

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>>80890320
But that doesn't make sense. How could a character from a game be canon without the game also being canon? That's fucking retarded.

>>80890589
Just like how everything else in Star Wars can be canon without automatically bringing in other media that uses the same characters/settings.
Darth Bane in Clone Wars for example, he's a canon character, but that doesn't make all his stories canon.

>>80890589
The same way that deciding to live by "Do unto others" doesn't justify the existence of God just because it's a Bible quote.

>>80890177
Kotor references Naga Sadow, Ajunta Pull, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, the fucking Vong and a lot of stuff.

>>80884627
that's how all referential "humor" works

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>>80890589
They nitpick details and bring them into canon.

For example,

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kosh

Kosh is a character from Legends who they liked, and have made Canon. His stories in Legends are Non-Canon, but he as a character still exists, and can be used in new, Canon stories.

>>80890651
Vong still aren't technically canon. The only thing we know is Filoni had an idea and a sketch but we don't know if they ever got a script on it, or if it even got Lucas approval.

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>>80890673
>Kosh

We are all Kosh.

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>>80890652
Referential humor only works if it's part of something larger, not as the only punchline of a gag.

>>80890589
That's a weird distinction. That's like saying just because Darth Vader or Luke were in a game all events about them must be canon. Up to and including all the stuff that breaks movie canon like Starkiller fighting and defeating Ghost Obi-Wan on Tatooine.

In short, please don't be one of those people who can't figure out why Daryl isn't in the Walking Dead comics and starts cussing out Obama.

>>80890711
Ayy

>>80890915
Jar Jar is by default a punch line as when people see him that crosses a line and they need to punch something/someone

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>>80891254
I've never seen TPM or AOTC but good lord, the hate people carry for him will never stop being funny.

>>80890915
>Anakin building the death star

>>80891280
I think many of us have come to a kind of acceptance and found peace with Jar Jar, mostly because he makes great fodder for butt monkey jokes.

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>>80891308

>>80890915
That image isn't so much referential humor as it is a sight gag. The only thing it "refers" to is "hey, here is a bunch of Star Wars characters" but the joke is that they are all doing things you normally wouldn't expect.

And who can't appreciate coconut bra Artoo or apparently already drunk and it's not even noonday Padme?

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So we all agree that Forgotten Droid is the worst episode this season?

>>80891390
But Blood Sisters and The Call exist, anon.

>>80890711
>We are all Kosh.
That line never made sense. Even after the end.
Fuck you JMS

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>>80891379
The image came closest, since I noticed when I searched for an appropriate file that most of the funny pics I got are this "unexpected break-out" humor. And Lego SW is always worth a smile, better than the Garbage Ape and Bird Kenobi.

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>>80891390
We get it, Officer Fatty, you hate that Chopper kicked your ass. Twice. With his mysterious third leg. Deal with it.

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>>80891390
I loved it.

>>80891450
I think anon (whichever one first mentioned referential humor) meant >>80884627 as in meta-joke.

As in "oh boy doesn't nearly everybody hate Jar Jar, oh look people in-universe hate him too!" This is the kind of referencing of real life reactions that began creeping into TCWs, or was always there depending on how you consider Bombad Jedi when the moment Padme hears about her ship being destroyed she deadpans, "Jar Jar?" to which Threepio wearily replies, "Jar Jar."

That's one certain point of view on the matter, anyway.

>>80891441
It makes perfect sense when dealing with a highly-psychic species that may or may not share a collective consciousness, or if their actual species name is Kosh and everyone just called them Vorlons because the secretive fucks never told anyone their actual name.

>>80891560
... I'm the poster behind that original post, and I just like to share the images I find, they're not meant to reflect the contents of my post in those cases. Maybe I should've stopped posting a long time ago.

>>80891723
Alternate theory: all that time Kosh in their native language meant, "I'm really horny and about five seconds from bending you over backwards."

>>80888383
A few months ago I went to that museum exhibition about the costumes of Star Wars. The part that showed Luke's RotJ oufit had a little anecdote about Mark Hammil and George Lucas.

Mark had told George that he thought Luke's outfit was a bit odd since he thought it looked like something Vader would wear. George replied "good".

>>80891773
I would lose my shit if someone had said "Hit it and quit it" in Kosh's voice.

>>80891723
But we know that isn't true since we see that our Kosh disagreed with the other Vorlons during their whole genocide thing.
The other Vorlon on B5 even had another name.

>>80891806
What other name?

>>80891854
Ulkesh.

>>80891937
>novel name
>never named in the show

Uh huh

>>80892016
I swear that it was.
I've never read any novels.

The point is moot anyways since it's very clear that every Vorlon is a separate being and not part of a species wide conciousness

Otherwise Kosh and the other Vorlon wouldn't be able to fight as the did

>>80891560
Well, Qui-Gon pretty much imply he is stupid and Obi-Wan call him a pathetic lifeform. So yeah, even in-universe not a lot of people like Jar Jar.

Also Jar Jar basically gave Palpatine the power he needed to create an army and fight the separatists without giving a chance to diplomacy. Basically ruining years of Padme's work. No wonder if she has a grudge against him.

>>80891806
Bringing this back into a galaxy far far away, it's entirely possible for a hive mind/psychic gestalt to debate itself and even have separate names for it's various individual bodies (as any "part" of it an individual represents can be seen as having a function rather than a personality or mind of it's own).

Basically because individuals debate amongst themselves all the time. Various desires, fear, etc all vying with our rational self. The Priestesses Yoda met were supposed said by Filoni (as his conceptualization of them) as a single entity whose emotional aspects had become rather abstracted into their own component self. Therefore it's possible for her to debate whether to train Yoda, arguing with her various selves and the emotions and thoughts they represent.

Not even saying that's the case, I never liked B5 and barely watched it, but just laying out possibilities in as Star Wars a manner as possible.

>>80892053
There's also the fact that Kosh never referred to himself as "I", nor did any Vorlon voices (like the one Lyta used). It was always "we" when referring to themselves. Kosh only ever used the singular in a dream vision to Sheridan while assuming the likeness of his father. I don't think you can have a highly-psychic species without some measure of collective consciousness, even if the integrated parts are still capable of individual decisions.

>>80892078
Jar Jar himself implied it, or at least terminally clumsy (to other people). Qui-Gon showed annoyance at times, vulcan nerve pinching him with the Force to stop him screaming (a technique we've never really seen again, though somewhat similar to Kylo Ren's ability to render Rey unconscious) and thought he was being annoying or at least discourteous using his tongue at Shmi's.

Other than that Qui-Gon didn't really render much judgement of people. It was one of the nice things about him. Liam Neeson was a damn fine choice, able to seem knowing even without stating it. Like his complete lack of surprise when Padme revealed she was the real queen, his expression suggested he knew all along. Other Jedi, especially later on, were much more proactive while Qui-Gon seemed to read events and only applied what pressure was needed through his own actions to shape events according to how he felt destiny wanted them to play out. And the funny thing is if we cannot say he was more correct in his interpretation of the Force than the others, he was at least onto a path of discovery the others had rejected as foolhardy if now outright heretical (something that in the Jedi Order seems to mean Mace glares at you silently until you feel bad, and which ironically most main character Jedi, Anakin especially, was immune).

>>80892191
If the part of the whole can disagree enough to the point where it comes to "physical" violence and the extermination of another part, then there aren't united enough to fall under one name at all times.
Because even if they don't have a vocalization associated with each being, it is obviously important enough to differentiate them.

Besides, if Kosh was their name for themselves, why does the term "Vorlon" exist?
Isn't that redundant?

>>80892354
What would Qui-Gon's reaction to the Clone Wars be?


https://youtu.be/33KjGSbSpMY?t=356

>>80891390
More like one of the best.

>>80892437
Why are all CIA agents named 'Felix'? Because they tell everyone who asks that they're named 'Felix'.

>>80892191
It's also possible that they cannot truly die. Imagine a species evolved to the point where their consciousness resides on a collective psychic plane. They can choose to act through the bodies of their species. In essence destroying the body or physical vessel is pointless since the psychic essence remains and can assert itself within a new vessel.

Something similar to how I've wondered the Force may or at least should theoretically work. Yoda calls death the "forever sleep" which it seems to be for most beings. Their consciousness goes dormant after death. Some suggest it's even destroyed, but then how could it be? The Cosmic Force is outside of normal time and space. To it, you are alive, dead, and not yet born all at the same time. It cannot lose you because you've always been a part of it even since before you were conceived.

It might be, could be (should be?), theoretically possible to...awaken a consciousness within the Force. I imagine it would take an incredibly strong willpower but it should be possible to pull together a conscious mind within the Force who has otherwise passed into their netherworld. Not even necessarily as creating a Force Ghost but think old school spiritualists in the real world who claim they can summon the souls of the dead for a chat. Something that with the Force would be more than a hokey way to fleece the rubes. Call up a consciousness for a chat and then it goes to sleep when you release it with the Force.

I guess it can go back to Sentinel/Inky. Was he merely a vision controlled by Yoda or did Yoda summon parts of Inky to serve in his play? Even if he didn't, could he? Even after the Yoda arc and all they explained, all we know is that the Force is more mysterious than even the Jedi have known. Ever known? Maybe we'll find out more clues when Luke finds the first Jedi Temple.

>>80892574
Since we know Qui-Gon was active and keeping a watch on events, like Anakin and the Sand People, it's actually pretty sad to imagine Qui-Gon seeing what Dooku has become and just shaking his head sadly, forbidden to interfere with events.

>>80892610
Maybe it has to do with the CIA character in the Bond novels/films named Felix.

>>80892662
So, AOTC would've ended with Qui-Gon and Anakin versus Dooku?

That would've been a duel to see.

>>80892723
That's the point. If a Vorlon gets asked what it is by a non-Vorlon and responds "A Vorlon", then that non-Vorlon will refer to them as Vorlons thereafter because it knows no other name for them. All that has to happen to trigger an alternative name for a species if for that species to never reveal their actual name for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_w3J0CdeFc
KABOOM

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>It's a Chopper Episode
>Spaces an entire squadron of Storm Troopers & blugeons an Imperial Captain to death
Sasuga C1-10P

>>80893203
For season 3 they're changing the name of the show to Chopper's Murder Parade

>>80892574
"I can only protect you, but I cannot fight a war for you."

>>80893203
I would be completely okay with that.

>>80885608
One of the things I think failed with the "Luke is tempted to the dark side" idea is that there isn't anything that makes Luke seem like he'd want to join the Emperor. There's nothing in it for him on a personal level. Luke's main goal is to save his friends and the Emperor wants to kill his friends.

What should've been done is that the Emperor should've cared more about the continued existence of the dark side rather than he himself ruling it with Luke as his apprentice. Luke's desire to protect the people around him is already shown to make him do extreme things(selling out the droids to Jabba for a time, putting them at risk, using force movies on Jabba's guards, having an inflated sense of his own power). It should've been less of "Luke is tempted to join the Empire", which isn't believable, and more like "Luke is tempted to abuse his powers to save his friends and instill order which might be a bigger threat than the Empire itself". Luke only has a partial idea of what a Jedi is, and that should be a dangerous thing. At the end he's the only being we know of that has the powers he does, would'e bee a great uncertain ending as to what he'll do with these newfound abilities.

>>80893203
Those troopers, man. Does the cargo section have independent life support? Seems unlikely, doesn't it? If they are lucky it has a transpoder in case of pirate hijacking, if exceptionally lucky it has a whole cargo container full of them for transport. And hopefully another cargo container with compatible power cells.

And food.

And water.

Jesus, Chop, you are a monster.

>>80893475
And even if they can call for help, notes from the Zeb/Kallus episode say that the Empire only allows a certain amount of search time for rescuing its people. Once that time is up they're SOL.

>>80893475
The cargo section isn't fully sealed, they're dead. They at most lasted 20 minutes with their helmet's life support(according to Pablo) but they're dead.

>>80893752
Would totally clang

>>80893740
Thanks for this, anon.

>>80894014
> Dasha's Blaster Pistol with tusk handle

Aww yeah

>>80893546
The cargo section IS sealed, anon. That's how they inspect it. It's basically like a vacuum sealed storage warehouse.

Do I know exactly that it's sealed, like do I have a tweet from Pablo? Of course not. But I cannot imagine even the Empire, as slipshod about safety as they are, would allow an entire section with a slow leak to be attached to a ship. Leaks of any kind are a potential disaster on any ship, be it space or ocean.

>>80894002
>is not Force-sensetive
what the hell?
I thought they're all Force-sensitive because midi-chlorians

>>80894202
That's not how they work, anon.

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‘Star Wars: Episode VIII’ Director Rian Johnson Hit With Lawsuit by Former Agent

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It's clusterfucking already.

>>80894167
It's not fully sealed. There's a hole where the cargo connects to the ship to walk in.

>>80894202
You don't understand how it works, do you?

ALL living things have midi-chlorians because The Force is in everything. This does not automatically made them force sensitive. Only some are sensitive to The Force, and this goes hand in hand with having a certain amount of midi-chlorians.

>>80893533
That's not how this works, anon.

Those cargo containers are FULL of pod racer parts. Kallus played it cool in season 1 but he HAS to save the pod racer parts, they are his dearest things in the galaxy. Where other Imperials fail and give up he will keep going.

>>80894234
That's precisely how they work
>Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you'll hear them speaking to you

>>80894265
Airlocks, double sealed doors that meet up on the outerfacing sides, and beyond that they also have emergency vacuum shields.

Put it this way, it's a space truck and an oceanic cargo hauler in one. A bunch of trailers connected up. Pirates go after that, one tactic will be to try to separate the cargo section from the ship. If it spaces that section it kills all the troops, thereby making the pirate's job easier.

>>80894303
Everyone has Midichlorians, but I don't think you understand what "Force Sensitive" implies.

>>80894303
No, you're really not getting this. The Midi-Chlorians help facilitate life and speak the will of the Force.

But you have to BE Force Sensitive in order to hear them and bend the Force to your will.

Those two things are entirely independent. Force Sensitive doesn't mean you have the Force inside you, it just means that you are sensitive to the Force inside you. Hence Force Sensitive. If you aren't sensitive you are deaf to the Force inside you.

Try watching the season 6 arc with Talzin vs. Dooku that talks about how the Living Force exists in everyone but in Force Sensitives to a much higher degree. It's a Jar Jar arc, you'll love it.

>>80894376
>They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force

>>80894418
>Talzin vs. Dooku
Talzin vs. Windu. Talzin vs. Dooku is Son of Dathomir

>>80894437
And without being able to connect to the force yourself, you literally can't "hear" them and understand what they are telling you.

>>80894437
>They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force

Yeah, to the Force Sensitive. You think the Force is talking to a groundhog right now, telling it to pick up a lightsaber?

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>>80894437
>>80894303
>being obtuse on purpose

>>80894517
The Force talks to all, and those who can listen respond. There was an animal on Force heavy Dagobah who was able to see and snap at Qui-Gon's Force light motes as they zipped past. The ancient fish monster on Dathomir is also chocked full of the Force.

Why do you expect the Force to tell an animal to pick up a lightsaber? Why do you expect the Force only concerns itself with the mundane crap sentient beings get up to? The Force is in everything. Every bug, every plant, every animal. They all have their own destiny only if it's simplified to eat, crap, sleep and mate. The Force does not judge.

>>80894545
>being a condescending faggot
thanks anyway

>>80894632
>shitposting with misinformation

thanks, but no thanks

back to /tv/ with you

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>>80894621
Dagobah is a planet extremely strong in The Force, like Mortis.

>>80894621
Well shit, I was trying to channel some Qui-Gon when writing this but it just reads like ten tons of douchey. Guess I should have tossed in some "my young padawan"s or something.

>>80894682
Although SOMETHING appeared in front of their ship before the vision, I always thought Mortis existed WITHIN the Force.

Granted being inside the Force would obviously be an extremely strong-in-the-Force location by default. Similarly the Force planet seems to reside so closely to outside the galaxy and within the Force itself that things like physics were just strange. Hell, Artoo couldn't even detect anything around them.

Not contradicting you or anything, just thinking of these as types of locations strong in the Force. Mortis is WITHIN the Force, the Force Planet where Yoda met the Priestesses was a border location, and Dagobah is fully in this galaxy but just strong with background Force energies.

So if the Force can warp time I wonder if it warps it differently in each location, stronger the more within the Force it is, or since the Force is sentient (in it's own unknowing way) whether it can alter time to different degrees.

>>80894202
That's not how the Force works.

>>80894202
If this were the case, everyone and everything would be able to use the Force. Every living being has midi-chlorians, but only some people can feel and perceive the Force.

>>80895020
>everyone and everything would be able to use the Force
What a time that would be.

>>80895051
I think we were joking about that as something Luke would do in the sequels.

Shit, I can't remember why. That or maybe I've got it reversed and it was the idea that Luke is the one who shut down the Cosmic Force, you know, went all Scarlett Witch and said, "No more Jedi." Or Sith, I guess? Whatever.

tesb luke vs. ezra right now

who wins?

>>80895614
Ezra. TESB Luke was still not very good.

>>80895614
I'd say Ezra. ROTJ Luke would be a different story.

>>80895614
Ezra and I'm not being ironic. He was trained by a living Jedi, used his lightsaber quite frequently and can use his stun blaster to surprise his foes.

>>80895614
Starts with an all out struggle to survive ends in yaoi

>>80895614
Luke is a true Jedi, he can't lose to some kid with a slingshot

>>80895614
Luke.

>>80895788
>Luke is a true Jedi
with little experience

>>80895788
You do realize he hasn't used the fucking slingshot since he got his lightsaber, right?

>>80895788

nah, ezra takes this one easily. he has more experience in duels and more training.

>>80895845
He's beaten more SIth than a majority of Jedi in the past 1000 years.

>>80895889

He hasn't beaten any Sith actually.

I can tell the EU is strong with you.

>>80895845
>>80895889
>>80895907

Since when is "beat a Sith" a requirement for a Jedi?

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>>80895907
>he hasn't seen the movie
>is also one of the 'NOT CANON' faggots that regularly shits up the thread

What a surprise.

>>80895964

we're talking about TESB luke though.

>>80895548
I haaate that blaster, man. Literally looks like a throwaway from JJ Trek or an old 90s - mid 00s sci-fi

Dat TD, tho

>>80895998
Then how is he a "true Jedi" at that point when Yoda tells him he won't be a Jedi until he faces Vader for real?

i'm glad leia got put in her place in her rebels episode

that preview made her come off as the biggest bitch ever.

>>80896003
Yeah, TFA is very Hunger Games/Doctor Who in it's design.

>>80896045

the original question wasn't about whether or not luke was a true question.

it was if tesb luke could beat current ezra. which he can't.

>>80896054
You mean, exactly how she was in ANH?

>>80896054
Lightweight sexist there, m8.

why does hera always look sad or worried when kanan does jedi stuff.

>>80896115
>>80896054
Leia is kind of a bitch when she's "on mission". She's serious, talks down to everyone (Including people she just met), and barks orders.

But she's also fairly competent, and her character has always had more than just being bitchy.

Its not sexist to say a female character is a bitch.

>>80896115

how am i being sexist.

she was being incredibly snarky to people who've had more experience than her at the beginning of the episode and who had much more at risk by helping her.

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>>80896170
When two people like each other a lot...

I think maul is going to kill the new inquisitor that shows up using his true lightsaber staff skills.

i actually think seventh sister won't die.

>>80894517
>>80894621
>The Force talks to all, and those who can listen respond.

The Force talks to all and works through all, whether they know, care or want it to or not. And even if you can't hear it and act accordingly, then it'll put into motion the conditions for events to proceed as they eventually should. There are obviously going to be some detours (Anakin's turning being the most major) but the Force always sees to set things right in time.

My issue though is when to separate a character's free will in their own decisions from the Force's subtle, if not indiscernible influence. Because people are obviously going to complain about that when the suggestion comes up that it wasn't just Han's decision to turn around and save Luke at the last second in the trench, but indeed a nudge from the Force.

>>80896313

i know they like each other, but why does she get worried when she's the one that pushed him to embrace being a jedi?

>>80896203
>Great Scourge of Malachor
Fuck yes, KOTOR is canon

>>80896226
>>80896226

didn't leia get an entire platoon slaughtered by vader?

>>80896328
Yeah, she won't die and Ezra won't become Maul's apprentice

>>80896245
>skin has adapted
>still white
ugh

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>>80896377
No it's not, Malachor is-

God

You know what, forget it, this is probably bait

>>80896392
What event would you be referring to?

>>80896377

i like how ever time malachor is brought up pablo is mentions that it was first referenced in the gascon arc.

is that a pet character of his?

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>>80896377

>>80896432

Vader down.


>>80896402

yeah, it would be quite a leap for ezra to abandon his family for two years now and to forget all of kanan's teachings.

i'm guessing that kanan fights maul over ezra and probably loses a limb or something.

>>80896440
He does that with other KOTOR stuff, probably because a lot of planets and such are already canon via TCW and he's probably baffled that people keep reacting as if Malachor or Taris or Onderon being mentioned is some new and profound thing when they've already been canon for a few years now.

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>>80896377
the bait works flawlessly in these threads
Kudos, anon, have a cat

it should be noted

that Maul should cause the same cold feeling that vader did when ezra encounters him.

>>80896245
>She has also become a skilled pilot, despite showing no desire ever to leave her desolate world

I'm confused. So has she just been flying T-16s or something? Unkar certainly wouldn't have let her fly the Falcon

>>80896489
>Vader down.
>All I'm surrounded by is dead men and fear

I'm pretty sure they were extremely confident in how they were going to do. They had an entire platoon, and I'm not sure they would know what he's capable of. But they do now.

>>80896521
Vader is much more in tune with his Sith training than Maul ever was.

>>80896529
>I'm confused. So has she just been flying T-16s or something? Unkar certainly wouldn't have let her fly the Falcon
I'd figure that in the course of her salvaging, she's tested ships that aren't hyperspace capable. I doubt a junker would want to risk crashing a recently fixed up piece of shit ship when they can pay some nobody next to nothing to risk their neck instead.

>>80896529

the QUAD HOPPA

>>80896529
She just fly

>>80896562

just the force signature of maul left on naboo sent chills down leia's back in the comic.

and maul was definitely in tune with sith teachings before he was chopped in half.

and now he's been meditating on dark side planet heavily associated with the sith.

i think he's still got the chill factor.

>>80896593
She should've worn that entire ensemble the whole movie.

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>>80890915
>r2-d2 coconut bikini

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>>80894682
>tfw the Force is a law and world unto itself, completely separate from the tangible world, while being apart of it all at once

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>>80896614
Tell me more

>>80896455
Yes he can, you know he can.

hmm

ezra is seen fighting the new inquisitor, seventh sister as well as darth vader in the season finale.

i wonder how that works out.

>>80896518
Forget the cat.

I want dat meatball

>>80896663
No, R2 isn't a female. Not male either.

No, you can't have sex with R2. His interfaces are not for sexual.

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>>80890915
>>80896663

>>80896640
>just the force signature of maul left on naboo sent chills down leia's back in the comic.

... what?

>>80897295
When Leia enters the hangar on Theed she feels a cold chill from when Maul attacked the place.

>>80897295

why don't you go read the fucking comics and see what i'm talking about?

>>80897295

>British Indian

how you so easily accept the banners of your colonizers. disgusting.

>>80896756
The Inquisitors are for the first part of the season finale, the advanced guard, Vader comes in in the second part

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>>80897295

Is the quality of these images good enough that I should continue? Anyone reading them?

>>80898647
Please continue

>>80896228
You can't criticize women. That would be sexist.

>>80884406
>hooch pandersnatch
>handsome

>>80897940
As pointless maulshilling as that scene feels, I guess it makes sense. He did lose half of himself in that building, after all.

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>>80896577
>tfw you will never pound Rey's ass as she goes "Oy! Oy! Oy! Yahs! Yahs! Yahs baybeh!"

>>80899177
You can't ignore them either. That would be sexist

>>80896529
Yeah, they could've used a short line from her about how she used to test fly the ships he was selling so they wouldn't explode on his customers. Among many other scenes TFA could've used to explain itself better.

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>tfw there won't be any new attractive alien women in the Sequels because all the aliens gotta be super ugly and otherworldly puppetheads

>>80899356
Maybe YOU won't, Jeb

>>80895614
Given that the cartoons tend to exaggerate the general prowess of Jedi, as evidenced in the prequels contrasting TCW, we can only go by their performance at the one thing they both did; fighting Vader.

Luke faced off Vader and didn't immediately die, even when he went all out.
Ezra got practically one shotted.

>>80899454
It's too early to judge the full range of alien designs for Episode 8, but I'm a little nervous that the ones we've seen in the Croatia shoot are right back to the annoying "brown/orange lumpy lizard people" thing that was all over TFA.

>>80899534
What are you talking about? TCW didn't exaggerate anything.

GenndyWars did.

>>80899534
>Given that the cartoons tend to exaggerate the general prowess of Jedi

No, they don't. Everything in the TCW and Rebels has been done in the movies.

Stop trying to make a simple question complicated.

Vader was holding back against Luke, heavily. He wasn't playing around with Ezra.

At this point, Ezra beats Luke. Simple as that.

>>80899454
>no twi'leks ever in the new trilogy

>>80899534
>Luke faced off Vader
It should be noted that the real fight between them happened only in ROTJ.
so in >>80895614 case Luke would get his ass kicked unless he goes full dark side

it's funny by the time ezra is 19 he will have had 4 years of experience using the force while luke would just be getting started.

>>80899325
Will Maul ever die? The fact he's somehow still relevant and alive is bizarre to me. His story in TCW didn't even justify his revival. By this point a Maul vs. Vader fight might actually end up canon.

>>80899859
Vader will probably be the one to put him out of his misery once and for all.

>>80899859
Does it really matter?

Stranger things have happened in the Star Wars Expanded Universe and no one ever complained. There is no reason Palpatine should have come back to life but he did.

>>80899911
wasn't this guy played by simon pegg?

>>80900076
Yep, except for the face.

>>80900075
>Stranger things have happened in the Star Wars Expanded Universe and no one ever complained
>no one ever complained
We both know that isn't true, baby. But other acts of dumb writing do not excuse more acts of dumb writing. I'm not especially bothered by Maul's survival. It's just comical.

>>80899992
Yeah, that's what I'm guessing is going to happen. The crew wanted to see a Vader/Maul fight and this is their chance.

I'll be annoyed if they do this but never have Maul fight Dooku

>>80899709
>Episode VIII
>Luke, Rey and Finn hide in a Twi'lek stip club
>Luke doesn't pay any attention
>Finn tries not to watch
>Rey can't keep her eyes away from the dancers.

Come on, Rian! Do it!

>>80899992
>Anakin kills Dooku
>Vader kills Maul
>Anakin kills Sidious then dies
> The only one who killed any sith is Anakin

CHOSEN ONE!

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>>80900323
Why is is comical? Anakin survived injures that should have killed him. Maul did the same. Both used their Anger/Hatred to keep alive with the Dark Side.

>>80900336
>The crew wanted to see a Vader/Maul fight and this is their chance.
I was initially against Maul coming back in TCW, but I think they did a really good job and told a good story with him, so I'm okay with him returning. Now that he's coming back for Rebels, I hope they also have a good story planned for him, because if it's just "we wanted a fight with Vader" and little else I'll be massively disappointed.

>>80900452
Because while Vader lost his arms and was burned throughout most of his body, he was given immediate health care through a highly advanced hospital, and even then he has to wear the suit most of the time except for when he's in his personal hyperbaric chamber. At least his injuries are believable.

With Maul, however, he was cut in half and then fell down a mile long shaft and was thrown away in a planetary trash dump. Shit got pretty stupid after a while. Love the guy, but damn, there'srecretain points you just have to look back and as, 'That's just stupid.'

>>80900452
Getting delimbed and lit on fire should kill a normal man. Getting cut in half and thrown down a bottomless chasm should kill a superman.

>>80900734
>At least his injuries are believable
>suffers forth and fifth degree burns
>near liquid hot magma bank
>dismembered
>surviving longer than 30 mins

It's more plausible for Maul to survive versus Anakin. The burns alone would've put him into a coffin.

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>>80900734
>Because while Vader lost his arms and was burned throughout most of his body, he was given immediate health care through a highly advanced hospital
You do realize it probably took at least 30 minutes to travel between Mustafar and Coruscant, right?

The movie just skips over that to not slow the pace too much.

He had extreme 4th and 5th degree burns on his entire body, breathed in dangerous chemicals and ash, and was delimbed. His trauma alone should've killed him before Palpatine even made it to his shuttle.

Maul is an alien who's biology we know little of, and we don't know how deep the shaft was. He used The Force to fashion himself a new lower half connected to the cauterized area. Plenty more believable.

>>80900741
Well both are supermen, they have The Force.

>>80900901
Maul is getting to the point of EU Suncrusher bullshit. At least with Vader he's suffered throughout his entire ordeal and has a messed up veiwpoint/outlook on life. With Maul, he looks perfectly normal and now just has a nice pair of machine legs and perfect sanity. Shit just reads like a bad fanfic.

>>80900985
>breathed in dangerous chemicals and ash
Forgot to mention that. Very large hazard.

>>80900452
Vader was a cyborg and his survival was vital to the story and his character *as he was introduced* (more or less). Maul was a goon included to have a lightsaber duel. He had no personality and little plot significance other than being a way to get the Jedi suspicious and Obi-Wan's mentor dead. His utility in the story was over. Stretching him out the way he has been just feels utterly contrived and fanwanky, because it is. I'm still curious to see what he does, though.

>>80901154
Did you miss the part where Talzin restored his sanity? For over a decade he was 200 clicks beyond insane.

>>80901154
>loses leadership of Mandalore
>gets decimated by Sidious twice
>loyal soldiers destroyed
>brother dead
>mother dead
>nightsister/nightbrothers destroyed
>dreams permanently destroyed
>can NEVER get to a position of power again

Did you miss his arc or something? Maul is nowhere near the level of power he use to be. He's a shell of himself again.

>>80901267
As I've said, there has been so many asspulls to Maul's story it's starting to become fanfictiony and too fucking out there to take with any sort of seriousness.

This guy said it perfectly>>80901234
>utterly contrived and fanwankery

Right now, his storyline is becoming EU tier, something most people were glad to get rid of.

>>80901475
>Maul's story it's starting to become fanfictiony and too fucking out there to take with any sort of seriousness.
How? He lost everything.

I don't understand for 2 decades people bitched that Maul wasn't fleshed out and was dumb muscle and we FINALLY get a complete and satisfying arc and people still complain about it. I'm really losing faith in this fanbase. People wanted a new star wars? Not good enough. New characters? looks too much like Dr.Who

>>80901234
>Maul was a goon included to have a lightsaber duel.

No, he was there to reintroduce The Sith to the Jedi.

>He had no personality
In TPM because he wasn't a major character

>and little plot significance other than being a way to get the Jedi suspicious and Obi-Wan's mentor dead.
In TPM

> His utility in the story was over. Stretching him out the way he has been just feels utterly contrived and fanwanky, because it is.

Not really. Boba Fett surviving the Sarlaac is fanwanky. An alien Sith Lord surviving being cut in half is not.

He initiated the fall of the Mandalore Pacifists. He united a bunch of criminal groups. He then lost all of that and was captured by Sidious. He escaped but was decimated. He will never reach the power he had.

>>80901475
Star Wars is full of asspulls. Complain about one and you will have to complain about them all.

All that guy did was poorly attempt to push an agenda.

Also this>>80901630

>>80901328
Yeah, I read Sons of Dathomir and watched the Mando Arc and I enjoyed both of them immensely, but him being brought back again and again is just getting tiresome. End his story and be done with it, dragging him in everything is quite annoying, especially when we have new characters that have been introduced and haven't seen any characterization .