Mahvel's Another Civil War 2: Reckoning and Retconing Teams

not a single x men character in both

>>80838135
Surprised?

hey we're getting teams and descriptions

>>80838098
wait... is that steve?

>>80838113

>Deadpool
>Whor
>Black Widow
>Star Lord
>Tony

So this is team quip?

so carol SEES she hulk and rhody die and wants to stop it?

What are they fighting about this time?

>>80838167
Under what rock are you living? Steve's getting younger soon, new costume and shitty shield.

so... uh... what side is right?

>>80838113
Dat dyke cut Widow.
No cleavage.

I miss when she was on Tonys team and Cho drew her.

>>80838223
Whoever's left :3

>>80838180
Probably.

>>80838223

whichever side has the most diversity

>>80838223
Side with Miles.

>>80838193
But isn't Carol's side into jailing people before they commit a crime? How does Steve agree with that?
Not muh Cap

>>80838286
For the Morales Victory?

>>80838113
Iron man looking those mirrowed game covers.

>>80838293
Steve's hit with dumb stick. Again.
>>80838303
Bonus if he switches sides. Double bonus if he venom blast evil team during switching sides.

Goddammit Bendis is going to ruin Hercules. And it looks like the Ultimates are splitting up. Why do you destroy nice things Bendis?!

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>Carol finally gets a decent book
>she'll get ruined by Bendis again
Thanks Marvel.

>>80838135
Good. X Men should stay out of this garbage for as long as possible.

>>80838223
Tony is their new face, so Tony is going to be pushed as right.

Of course this will cause people to think Carol is right, especially her new fans who became fans because of KSD. So it'll just be Cyclops and the old Civil War all over again.

>>80838382
>this garbage
Marvel comics?

>>80838098
>Scott, Clint, Steve, Medusa and Peter on team fascist
I'm not ok with this

>>80838460
Don't forget Jen of all people is on that side too.

Bendis working his magic again, and it's clear that they really did come up with the whole thing in five minutes.

this story seems forced and stupid, an electric boogaloo of something that wasnt good in first place.
It also seems kind of rehashy, x men have had precognitive mutants, and I already read the story about mutants fighting over the diaries of Destiny, Mystique's dead girlfriend who could see the future.
I just hope books dont get ruined by this crossover.

>>80838098
>>80838113
>Iron Man: Favorite character and currently being written by Bendis
>Daredevil: Favorite of Bendis
>Star-Lord: Favorite of Bendis and self insert
>Luke Cage: husbando

That's it party's over. Iron Man won.

>>80838377
>Carol finally gets a decent book
You mean Ultimates, right?

>>80838169
All of them combined still aren't a match for Spider-Man.

That said if there isn't a full issue dedicated to all them teaming up to try and take down Spidey in a fight and a round of smack talk at the same time, the even will be shit.

>>80838135
Pretty sure there's a CWII tie in comic with the X-Men.

>>80838135
Why should there be? No movie rights. Free marketing for properties that you don't hold the rights to, no way. Remember, to Disney Marvel is a movie studio with a publisher as vestigial.

>>80838460
>Scott
I'm fucking surprised that we didn't get Pym on Tony's side again, seeing event's about clash of legacies.

>>80838293
Yeah it doesn’t make sense especially after him being anti reg in Civil War.

But it's Bendis!

>>80838527
Her new solo is surprisingly pretty good.

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According to Chirs Claremont crossovers are cancer because writers have to stop developing characters for the sake of the event, that why he was displease when marvel make him bring back Jean Grey.

Is he wrong /co/ ?

>>80838377

>>80838514
>It also seems kind of rehashy, x men have had precognitive mutants, and I already read the story about mutants fighting over the diaries of Destiny, Mystique's dead girlfriend who could see the future.
Wolverines? When it was revealed that Logan is key to saving multiverse and Mystique said "screw it, let everything burn"?
Or so I heard.

>>80838501
Jen was with Iron Nazi in the last Civil War, I'm suspecting she doesn't like being a lawyer very much

>>80838098
>Cap, Bucky, Ant-Man, Viz, Peter and Monica on Team Badong with Carol

Why are all the characters I like stuck here?

>>80838590
No, he's completely right. Events and crossovers are cancer.

>>80838522
Won't be surprised if Kitty is in there too.

>>80838590
Corporate comics are cancer. You can be hotshot writer all you want, but there'll always be some editor who'll boss you like a bitch.

>>80838590
Claremont and Cyclops were right

>>80838617
Are Kitty and Meme-Lord still pissy at each other?

>>80838234
>shoulder length bob
>dyke cut
Fuck off. That doesn't even count as short hair.

>>80838514
It is forced.

>And with that, Marvel had its next big event after Secret Wars. One of the biggest hurdles, though, was time; this conversation occurred not years ago, but mere months. The length of preparation typically required for a major comic-book event was not an option.

>“This was not like [the first] Civil War or Secret Wars, where we planned for a couple of years,” Alonso told The Post’s Comic Riffs. “We’ve been planning this for maybe three or four months.”

>Alonso said that though such a quick turnaround is rare, the chance to have a jump-on point for potential new readers — following the debut of this May’s “Captain America: Civil War” film — was an opportunity that couldn’t be missed.

Quality ensured!

>>80838522
If Miles and Kitty end in team Iron Man, then it's gonna be a massacre. The Carol Corps are gonna cry rivers.

>>80838654
No. The fight is Rocket vs Quill.

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>>80838098
>>80838113
As long as Benids isn't writing Thunderbolts, I'm ok with this.

Also will we get a I Don’t Need Your Civil War sequel?

>>80838555
The movies are marketing for the comics, not the other way around. It's essentially merch. People buy the comics because they saw the movie or because they want to see it.

Either way comics shouldn't be dictated by the movies.

>>80838839
>not the other way around
That's why Star Lord is wearing the movie costume all of the time and became relevant for the first time in decades. Or why the X Men are being phased out. Or why anyone gives a shit about Bucky. Or Falcon.

>>80838883
Also, Jane Foster

>>80838590
Events can be fine, I hate when they make writers step on each other's toes though.

DC has actually been doing good about that, tie-ins for Forever Evil and Futures End were non-canon or side-stories. And with stuff like Batman & Robin Eternal and the Superman crossovers of late the writers all collaborate. But then you have stuff like most of the other Batman crossovers, Death of the Family and Zero Year that are just clusterfucks of bad writing.

Keeping everyone working together and mindful of each others stories should be what editors do, but we all know they're useless and that no man can control the Bendis anyway.

>>80838839
>Either way comics shouldn't be dictated by the movies.
Tell that to Bendis.

>>80838883
>became relevant for the first time in decades

Or, y'know, for the first time since 2011 when he died at the climax of an acclaimed six years run

>>80838098
Looks like Steve Roger is letting his hateboner for Tony Stark get the better of him

>>80838098
>>80838113
>Nova not on either team's line up
Good job, Sam. Keep out of politics until you're 18.

>>80838098
Why do we have 2 threas? Mod should delete one of them

>>80839013
Does /co/ even have mods anymore?

>>80838883
No you're misunderstanding me, I know the comics are shameless movie shilling, I just think it doesn't make any sense because they SHOULD be capitalizing on the success of the X-Men movies, not downplaying them. They think they can bring down the X-Men and FF by keeping them out of the limelight and can push Captain Marvel and the Inhumans with comics, but that's not the way it works, the success of the movies determines the success of the comics, not the other way around.

Putting Captain Marvel on covers isn't gonna make more people see the movie, comics reach maybe 100,000 people altogether, movies reach millions.

>>80839034
When they aren't drunk, yeah.

>>80839013
Because this way we have one thread for each side. It's like poetry, it rhymes

>>80838959
while your at it tell him to stop writing comics all together. Better yet, tell him he sucks.

>>80839082
I highly doubt that they're even old enough to drink.

>>80838966
Being in good books =/= relevant

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>>80839034
It does but they're all retards.

>>80839062
but marvel/disney dont have total control on fox mutants, sure you could say both companies hitted jackpot with deadpool, but that because deadpool was already popular, x-men outside of wolverine dont have the same popularity, that why they dont waste resources in x-men or at least they dont waste enought resources

>>80839118
Drunk from milk, a la SpongeBob.

>civil war II
>SECOND civil war
What a bunch of unreliable heroes.

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>the state of Marvel """"Comics""""

LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE: BOB IGER JUST MADE ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS.

NOW HE CAN WIPE HIS ASS WITH $20 BILLS ~AND~ COVER HIS MANSION FLOORS IN SHREDDED DOLLAR CARPET

DC BTFO LOLOLOLOL

>CAPTAIN FACIST >IRON KEK
>CAPTAIN FACIST >IRON KEK
>CAPTAIN FACIST >IRON KEK
>CAPTAIN FACIST >IRON KEK

>>80839130
What exactly is that in the picture?

>>80839167
It shouldn't matter to Marvel Comics, though. They should WANT X-Men and Deadpool and FF to be succesful movies so they can sell more comics.

Like I said the success of the comics goes up from the success of the movies, not vice versa, so theoretically there should be no reason at all for Marvel the comics publishing company to want to sell fewer comics, unless Disney forced them to out of spite for Fox.

>>80838514
Isn't there even a robot in Deadpool at the moment that can predict the future. Is that connected?

>>80839126
Star-Lord was only irrelevant outside of comic book circles, if you want to go that way, 80% of comic book characters are irrelevant because there's no movie about them.

>>80839257
>Captain America
>Captain Marvel
So which Captain _______ will be fighting Iron Man in Civil War III?
My money is Captain Britain.

>>80839461
He wasn't relevant in comic circles, those books had so shit sales they cancelled them.

>>80839766
Morgan Tony

>>80838590
You know depsite all his recent works being well shit. He's completely right.

What's even the story here? Carol is fighting for more diversity?
They want to push her before her movie? Miles with be the main character and will Venom Blast Galactus?
Bendis will self insert as a gay white fuckboi who wants the Miles BBC?

>>80838654
They still haven't broken up and as of yet no.

>>80838098
>War-Machine on Carol's side
Sure. Side with the pussy you're nailing over the dude you've known longer than she's been around.

>>80838135
Good. The less this cancer infects the better. I don't even read any of the ongoing X-Books and I wouldn't wish this on the poor suckers that still do.

>>80838590
Events can be fine if they're organically grown from the stories being told in the books leading up to it. Unfortunately every new event has to take over the whole fucking company's every single book these days. Long past are the days of contained but better developed events like Sinestro Corps War and the like.

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>>80841322
Anon...

>>80838135
>>80838555
There were already two posters with mutants on them and they are confirmed to have at least one tie in

>>80838614
Because they are not Bendis' favorite characters.

>>80841481
>Erik Lehnsherr, stop this madness! What would Charles say?

>>80841579
Charles' brain is inside the Red Skull, so I am guessing something along the lines of "Gas the jew!"

>>80841714
>you're hundred years old and you look fit
>I'm half your age and can't walk most of time
>fuck you, Erik!

>>80838098
>Spidey
>Cap
>Ant-Man
>She Hulk
>Hawkeye
>>80838113
>Deadpool
>Falcon
>Whor
>Cholk
>Black Widow

Gee. I wonder whose side I should pick.

>>80841481
Storm is team Iron Man? How? Is it because Kitty Pryde?

>>80841840
No, it's because Inhumans dindu nuffin and Magneto is villain as usual.

>>80838659
Fuck off dyke.

>>80838113

So thi is team netflix vs team movies

>>80838135
Deadpool? Were the X-men all that involved in CW anyway, ignoring the token mugga Wolverine?

>>80838113
>Lel Daredevil and Power Man are on a team! It must be Team Netflix!
I hate you and everything you stand for

>>80838135

why would the xmen get involved with another stupid alternate future story

>>80838098
>>80838113
It's really obvious what side they want to make the good guys. Also, I can't believe I used to think Cheung was a good artist.

>>80842273
Because O5 is from stupid alternate past and EXM is in stupid alternate future.

>>80838237
Heh.

>>80842172
They backed out because the last thing they wanted was to pick a side in a civil war and get more reasons for the world to hate them.

>>80842273
implying there are X-Men stories that doesn't involve alternate futures.

>>80842342
>>80842498

that's my point. just like Civil War 1, they've always dealt with this kinda dumb shit. good luck rest of the universe

>>80838113
>Herc
fuck I was kinda hoping his ongoing would get cancelled

>>80838223
Carol's got the cooler team. I'd go with her.
Also because of the sheer hilarity >>80838401 pointed out of Tony getting cucked by public opinion twice in a row.

>>80838662
Civil War being planned is BS.
Look at Spidey.

>>80839766
Oh fuck I can dream.

>>80841481
Leave the Uncanny team out of it

>>80840291
Allegedly it's Minority Report: Cape Edition. They're fighting over the ethics of precognitive crime prevention.

>>80838098
Who is this guy?

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>>80841481
It can't be worst than Civil War 1 right?

>>80844351
>numerous OOC characters confirmed
>they literally rushed it to get it out in time with the movie
>inhumans to play a part

Anon, it's going to be shit. All of it is going to be shit.

>>80838098
This "BIG COMIC EVENT" is bullshit in so many levels. Especially with this red herring pre-cog superhuman thus triggered these superheroes to choose side of pity patty.

I've had enough of this shit. You ain't got no dime from me this time, Marvel.

>>80844351
That reminds me... Wasn't Bishop on Tony's side in that one? How fucked up was that?

>>80838169
*Team Meme

>>80838098
>>80838113
So a lot of the older and 'original' characters with design changes are going against all the remakes, writer's favorite self inserts, gender swaps, and race swaps.

I am actually rooting for Captain Marvel's team, but I feel like whoever wins we will lose. Still will hope that Thor find out the truth behind his hammer being broken, who Whor is, and stomps the shit out of people when he gets his hammer back... not that Marvel would let that happen...

>>80844351

It'll be worse than AvX.

As long as Spidey gets some kind of reverse OMD scenario that retcons the whole Marvel Universe and fucks over Mephisto after this debacle ends, I'm good.

>>80838596
God she is such a vindictive cunt

Monica sided with Carol so she can heroically take up the Captain Marvel name when Carol sacrifices herself.

>>80845486
He'll get de-aged

>>80838223
Team Not Appearing In This Film

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So any word on where Miles stands in this conflict?

because honestly the only thing I'm looking forward to is the rift between Mentees and Mentors, especially Kamala and Captain Marvel

Why in God's name did they think this was a good idea?

Nobody liked the first civil war
Nobody will like this one

>>80845862
>Nobody liked the first civil war
Only the ones who have actually read the event. Those who didn't (AKA: Casuals) think it's great because "Heroes Vs Heroes!"

>>80845788
>>80840041
Team Carol.

>>80845788
But...Muh ship..

>>80845862
>Nobody liked the first civil war
Civil War was huge, dude. Wasn't that great but it was huge.

>>80838522

Iron Man was going to win anyway. If Carol won it means there would never be crime or fighting villainy ever again.

>>80838590

Marv Wolfman once said "Continuity holds the best writers hostage to the ideas of the worst writers"

He's right and you all fucking know it.

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>>80838098

>Cap & Bucky are on the side of the facists

FUCK OFF BENDIS

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>>80838609

Wasn't she anti-registration in her own book but pro-registration in the main book?

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>>80838098
Where's Miles in all of this?

>>80846807

She was also part of a preemptive strike force that attacked the fucking Jean Grey School (who were neutral) during AvX.

She's a cunt.

900% chance of Cap or Bucky bringing up "Would you kill baby hitler" in this

>>80846885

Kamala, Miles, and Sam are fucking off to go have fun at a mathlete competition! Or something like that. Or is that just Kamala?

>>80846807
there was some weird bullshit where Jen was anti-reg but every time she went She-Hulk the different brain chemistry and perspective caused her to decide Pro-Reg was right

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>>80847078

In other words

>"We made a mistake. Quick bullshit an explanation."

>>80847078
lol

Anyone remember when they just didn't do another fucking event every year that takes up half the goddamn year?

I wonder how many series this event will revert back to number 1.

>>80847078
Actually the book she had during the civil war had her as she hulk form almost constantly. and she was even in that form against this bullshit but basically gets forced into it.

I fucking loved that series too so that bullshit was one of the many civil war invasions that just made me stop reading marvel comics for a while.

>it's a Marvel keep pretending people actually care about Carol episode

>>80847447
Her new book is good fuck you

>>80838098

>Monica in the corner
At least they didn't forget about her?

>>80847543
It's slightly more readable than the last one

>>80847447

No it's them thinking if they shill her enough people will start to love her.

She's the heroine they want to be their main female face for movie purposes and are marketing her accordingly.

>>80838590

Ironically enough, he is responsable for events. His X-men books 'tied in' stories were successful and were eventually demanded by the editorial.

>>80839766
>Civil War III
>Marvel re-enacts the American Revolution with superheroes

>>80845788
Team Carol but you can bet anything that he will switch mid event.

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>>80844351
>Bishop comes from a future where Mutants are rounded up into concentration camps
>the M tattoo was branded onto him to signify he was a mutant
>Joins the pro-reg side
I dinnae understand

>>80847790
That is better than what we're getting

>>80847864
He probably forgot that when Storm lobotomized him to make him forget he's a psychopathic child murderer

>>80838098
>civil War 2

who's fighting who and why this time?

>>80847942
That was well, well after Civil War anon.

>>80838113
horrible ironman mask design, reminds me of the 90s

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Let's make a bet /co/

Who side will win at the end?
Carol and the SJW corps
or
Tony No-Money and the MCU
?

>>80847992
Tony No-Money and the MCU

>>80847983
At least they got rid of the mouth hole.

>>80847992

I hope it's another case of completely tone deaf writers thinking one side is right, then having to back pedal furiously after the event because all the readers disagreed again!

>>80841481
Who's the artist?
Because that artwork is the tits.

>>80848350
Yardin. Nigga read the filename

>>80838839
Are you braindead? If comics for this new Civil War will sell a million copies - 5 bucks a pop, 5 million toal gross - then it will bea fucking miracle. If a movie Civil War will make 5 HUNDRED million, it will be a failure.

Disney only cares about comics as a source of exploitable franchises and getting nerds for free advertising for the movies, and X-Men aren't exploitable.
They'd shut X-Men down if they could get away with it, but then nerds would be mad - so instead they just made Nuhumans. Like, aren't there some characters who used to be Mutants retconned to be Inhumans in MCU?

I've been so tired of crossover events since 2009. I wish it would all just stop.

>>80838098
>>80838113
Why do almost all the faces look the same?

>>80848877
Faces are not Jim's strong point

>>80848535

Quake is an Inhuman now because of the show but I think it wasn't brought up in the comics before that.

Other than her I'm not sure. There are quite a few characters in the comics that have been retconned away from Mutant-status.

Comics have existed solely as IP farms for a long time now. DC would have stopped publication in the 80s otherwise. The comics exist to keep the character in the public eye in some way and for a little side money. I can't believe anyone would argue otherwise.

Marvel, as a comic company, struggles just as much to keep their shit profitable as DC does. Which is Marvel's own fault since they crashed the entire industry.

Also if you don't think Quicksilver is dead because of Fox using him and the positive response he got in DOFP you're a fucking retard.

Didn’t they already do a story with a guy who could see the future? I swear Marvel recycles ideas.

>>80847992
Tony No-Money sonce most of Bendis' fav characters are on his side.

>>80849132

Marvel, the house of ideas, would never redo a story.

You must be thinking of DC!

>>80849243

Crap that was for >>80849145

>>80849132
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually went all-out and killed off all the X-Men and introduced all new team of Ex-Men, Inhumans trying to fight for betterment of mankind, such as: Ghostcat, Leyezer, Blue Nyan Cat, BAMF, Ftorm, Hugh Jackman - all led by fearsome telepath, Proffesor Wheels.

>>80847864
He felt he could help avoid this shit by working with the superhuman powered government, its not a complete shit plan, if mutants are part of the system the system wont fuck them over.

Youd be surprised how Black Americans fighting in the american army actually helped the civil rights movment

>>80849295

Inhumans are not sticking no matter how hard they try to push them as a replacement.

Honestly I can see them removing everyone but Deadpool and Wolverine.

It doesn't upset as much as much as The Fantastic Four situation but Wolverine missing from a Marvel cast photo just strikes me as intensely wrong.

I think I'll just wait for Civil War 16

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>>80849295
The first cover for All-New Inhumans looked like a damn X-Men cover.
Hell, they even have Gorgon in a wheelchair.

>>80850048
Gorgon has been in a wheelchair for over a year, did you expect him to get fixed suddenly?

>>80838590
Blame the readership, not editorial.

Mutant Massacre sold well, so this is what we get. Crossovers forever.

>>80846756
Did Ditko write this?

>>80850048
Perhaps they were trying to trick readers?

>>80850344

Bob Budiansky and Danny Fingeroth.

Avengers 208.

>>80838609

'If people cant control their own emotions,then they have to start trying to control other people's behavior'

Look at what she stood to gain:

Write laws instead of merely argue them.

Sleep your way up to second in command of the Pro Reg forces.

Tony dies of natural causes or in combat. Hulks live for centuries. Jenn could inherit all that power & keep it for hundreds of years.

>>80838113
>>Team Iron Man
>movie synergy
>Bendis favorites
>legacy characters

>>80838098
>>Team Captain Marvel
>movie synergy
>first Civil War II teaser will come true

>>80848350
>>80848372
Cover artist you mean.

Kanan artist will be on the interiors.

>>80849454
kek

>>80838223

The side that doesn't buy this shit

>>80850168
after a 8 months gap, yeah, they have a healer

>>80838536
>All of them combined still aren't a match for Spider-Man.
>What is Deadpool

>>80852280
>they have a healer
This completely ruins it for me. I would be fine with Gorgon being in a wheelchair if it wasn't for all the options they have. They have super tech, they know people with even better tech, they have people whose powers are to heal including one on the team right now, and a reality warper. Gorgon still being crippled makes zero sense.

>>80838098

Who is that behind Hawkeye?

>>80853149
Blue Marvel

>>80838664
Well Kamala is team Ironman, so that means Miles will be too (how could he not be with Spidey on team Carol). So yeah, Team Ironman wins this round folks.

>>80838113
>dragging Star-Lord into this shitfest for literally no reason

That's it, I'm officially done with this crap.

>>80853334

Remember when /co/ thought a GOTG movie would make people respect and love the characters?

It happened. Do you regret wanting it now /co/?

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>>80853246
Miles is on team Carol, Kamiles is Ded.

>>80853509

Miles will switch sides.

Carol can't win because it means they set up pre-crime to stop crimes. Which means no crime.

Which is something only one Marvel writer would want. And she isn't going to be writing her book for much longer anyway.

>>80853459
Fucking monkey's paw. At this point I just hope the sequel is good.

Pete had a damn good streak for awhile though. He'll always be my favorite.

>>80838113
>>80838098
What the fuck are they even fighting for? WHo the fuck thought it was a good idea to bring in Deadpool. Why the fuck is starlord even there, why would he even give a shit about what happens on earth.

>>80853895

>Why did Carol start this war?
>What the fuck are we fighting for?
>When did this event become a marathon?

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>>80854145
Someone will finally remake this

>>80838113
Tony's new helmet looks completely different every single time I see it.

>>80838113

You know I'm really enjoying the Power Man and Iron Fist. Civil War really has to go and shit it up?

It and Vision are the only two Marvel books I'm really into. This is upsetting.

>>80854199
someone post the Joker Bright Side of Life

>>80854199
IF there was ever a thing /co/ should sing it's this

From Brevoort's mouth:

>Tumblrite #287066: Will Jessica Drew be part/take side in Civil War II?
>Brevoort: Thanks! And yes.

>Tumblrite #594595: Will cheung' teaser the final teams of Captain Marvel and Iron Man and main players of Civil War II or only is teaser? Thanks Sir.
>Brevoort: Only a teaser.

>Tumblrite #453535: Hello, just curious. Will Wasp or Hank Pym have any part in Civil War 2 even if it's just a panel or two?
>Brevoort: Wait and see!

>>80854443

I don't have the cap from that anymore but looking I found this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxbRyZFNwg