Writing for the sake of being progressive is bad writing

Oh boy, this thread again! I haven't seen this one for...a few hours maybe! I can't wait!

Korra Bitching General /kbg/ get in here guys!

I think writing in general is bad.

>>80417851
Not really

Bad writing for the sake of being progressive is bad writing

>>80417877
we never should have moved past cave paintings

>/co/ - Captain Obvious

Writing for the sake of being progressive without anything else to back it up is bad writing.

As is any other instance of:

"Look, we're doing this thing different!"
"Great! What else do you have that makes it good?"
"..."

>>80417876
I was just about to clarify that it isn't just regulated to Korra but all forms of media. If you don't have anything compelling to write about the character other than his/her's race, religion, gender orientation, etc. What's the point of even writing?

>>80417914
Some people need a painfully obvious reminder that they only enjoy something on the basis of a single trait.

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Korrasami wasn't writing for the sake of being progressive though

It was a brilliant, bordering on genius move from two guys who were on the verge of being seen as George Lucas in the public eye

They shamelessly and effectively cashed in on all this SJW shit when it was at its peak

And goddamn did it pay off

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/12/korra-series-finale-recap-gay-asami

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/23/korra-asami-confirmed-couple_n_6372080.html

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/05/official-new-korrasami-art

I'm just imagine some real life drama show with Mike and Bryan competing against Rebecca Sugar and Jesse Moynihan, where they're trying desperately to have the first lesbian couple(because they all know that gay men don't sell)

They won. Bryke won the game of lesbians. Steven Universe will always get the silver in the mass media's eyes because the gay alien rocks were too late

In the game of lesbians you either win or you don't get the cover of Variety Fair Magazine

>>80417851
You didn't even use the Marvel/DC-logos there. They pulled that shit from Action comic 1.

>>80417851
They wanted a main character to be the ship.
Bolin was taken.
Mako had history with Korra.
That leaves Asami.

If anything, the problem was that they didn't commit for fear of anti-progressive backlash. If Asami was a dude they would have had a date somewhere in Book 1 and at least a first kiss by the finale.

>>80418048
It's funny cause the Nick Executives say they never gave a shit about lesbians and Bryke didn't ask them until the last episode

>>80418063
it is a retrospective thing, anyways.
basically not cannon.

Just like how the big two or image is doing

>>80418048

I wish they had actually committed to it, instead of leaving it like that.

>>80417851
Can we please stop having this thread? It literally was not even writing. The show ended, the series was over and THEN they said how it was progressive because of something that happened after the fact. It was like JK Rowling but even worse.
I even remember one of Bryke bitching about how he really really didn't want to pander when asked about Korrasami well before the show ended.

>>80418169
The Bryke law of inverse focus means the more they focus on a character and relationship the more loathsome those characters are

>>80418048
*Book 4

>>80418237
Just like reality. :^)
But seriously, people are great.

>>80417851
Agreed, plus korra was just bad from start to fiinish

>>80417993
Probably the only good thing to come out of this. From the time Korra officially got picked up as a full fledged series it was able to finish four seasons consisting of 52 episodes and still beat Steven Universe to the same sex couple despite lesbianism not being a framework unlike Steven Universe where it's practically a driving point of the series!


My only wish is that I could see Rebecca's reaction when that shit happened.

>>80418221
>I even remember one of Bryke bitching about how he really really didn't want to pander when asked about Korrasami well before the show ended.

It was probably Mike. He has his priorities straight far more than Bryan does.

>>80418063
>Nick Executives say they never gave a shit about lesbians
>Say
Answers may vary depending on who's asking, they're executives for a fat fucking company with almost zero quality-control, long as it doesn't offend interest groups.

Even if they did ask just before the last episode it seriously shouldn't have been a problem for the writers to add what they like.

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>>80417851
It's not writing, it's Bryking, there's a difference.
And it's not to be confused with Braiking, although some people make that mistake, and suffer for it.

Learn the difference. It could save your life.

>>80417993
They simply implied a first date, not even a real relationship. If that's a victory then it is due to technicality.

>>80417851
If you have a progressive statement to make, execute it well, and establish it as your mission statement from the start, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Shifting the mission statement at the last minute for the sake of some ulterior motive is bad writing

>>80417888

This.

You can decide "I'm going to write a story that includes a trans person" or "I want this main character to be black" without it automatically being bad writing. It's a conscious choice about an attribute of your character. It's only bad when it's the ONLY thing that describes your character.

>>80418221
Bad writing is bad writing. Having the creators tell us some stuff happened off screen is even worse. They put no effort into what they set forth and that's why we hate it.

>>80418063

source please

>>80418278
Stop popping pills you degenerate

Out of every instance of 'progressive' writing happening nowadays, Korra's was probably the least blatant and forced. It was a few seconds of two women holding hands and walking away together, at the very end of the entire series. It contradicted nothing and added barely anything. Hell, the only real confirmation we got on them being a couple were from the independent blogs of the creators, nothing from the work itself.

>>80418470
I'm not saying it was good writing. They should have committed instead of pussyfooting for the sake of plausible deniability. But anyone with a lick of skill with dealing with humans could tell Korra and Asami were gay for one another. It was canon without the writers saying anything.

>>80418584
Does snorting Adderall count?

>>80417876
You brouse /co/ that much? You life must suck.

>>80417851
Copy-pasting an entire relationship into the last 10 seconds is such good writing. So progressive. Much wow.

>>80417851
What a controversial opinion! Especially on /co/!

>>80417851
So like the new ghostbusters with an all female cast and one sassy religious black woman

>>80417993
>where they're trying desperately to have the first lesbian couple(because they all know that gay men don't sell)
If they only knew about the power of the fujoshis

>>80418589
>Hell, the only real confirmation we got on them being a couple were from the independent blogs of the creators, nothing from the work itself.
And the posturing. Don't forget the posturing. If they had left the ending on its own, it wouldn't have gotten them so much backlash (although the thing about one of 'em erasing some posts from their social feed would have caught them some flack regardless).

>Gay people are so thirsty that basic friendly interaction is an invitation for romance
And people wonder why "no homo" is still a thing.

>>80418622

What I don't understand is why people are so contempt with having progressive elements at the sake of really shitty writing. There's was absolutely no build up to this one moment yet people praise it as if it was god-tier writing when in reality it's a hack job.

Tell me why do people skip over really awful writing just to get to a muddy rainbow? They deserve better, and no self respecting person should accept such things.

>>80418693
Forgot to reply to >>80418622 for that second part.

>>80418696
SJWs don't give a shit about quality, they value representation above anything. I'm pretty liberal myself but this shit really piss me off, it cheapen the entire thing.

>>80418693
It wasn't just friendly interaction. They were both single and going off alone on a camping trip together. Protip: if any of your friends did that then they are probably gay.

>>80417993
Steven Universe's lesbians are much more organic though.

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For those of you wondering why don't people bash this as well? The simple answer is that we don't know much about this relationship assuming there's more to reveal in the future.

We can only judge it on the merits of how the episode was presented, and personally my initial reaction was less than thrilled. Their relationship is built on the foundation that they both enjoyed mentally fucking each other once and decided to remained that way since.

Now there could be something later down the line that says something else but for now that's what the writers have conveyed to the audience thus far.

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>>80419044
The lesbians in Steven Universe are crystalline, not organic.

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>>80417851

The main problem with progressives writing a story to promote their politics is they destroy any character development or story just to make it fit their narrative.

They'll put a character in the story that fits a preferred demographic and make the character a Mary Sue and set up ridiculous situations to prove how essential the Mary Sue is to everyone on earth.

And if someone points it out its stupid or boring, well you being upset is just an example of why they wrote that shit story in the first place. We need more shit like what they wrote till you automatically like it.

Get it? The problem isn't their story sucks, the problem is you're a racist sexist bigoted homophobe who is standing in the way of history! I mean COME ON it's THE CURRENT YEAR!

>>80419571
They didn't destroy any character development. The problem is that they didn't give the relationship enough time on screen to avoid a backlash. They didn't want soccermoms in the American heartland catching their children watching girls kissing on Nick.com so they just implied a relationship was going to develop.

>>80417851
Yes, yes it is, and that pretty much sums up this scene.

>>80418693

"no homo" is a thing because men are not supposed to be emotionally vulnerable, especially not with other men, and thus defuse any true expressions of affection towards each other with "no homo," because emotions are feminine, feminine men are gay, both of those things are bad, we'd better make sure everyone knows we're not either of those things.

>>80418647
Who would wanna miss out on you awesome guys!? Not me.
Who here actually knows Korra?

>>80419743

yeah, claiming it "destroyed character development" is kind of weird. Asami and Korra's friendship developed from a couple episodes into S3 through the end of S4.

>>80418305
she wouldn't care at all because she didn't shove in lesbianism for progressive points like korra did.

however id love to see her face when CN leaked three parts of unaired episodes

>>80419743
>They didn't destroy any character development.
I'm not saying Asami had any character whatsoever but it did pretty much cement her role as being nothing more than a love interest, and usually that pisses people off when a character solely exists for romantic subplots.

Korra at least will be remembered for something other than being bisexuality, but Asami will forever just be known as Korra's girlfriend.

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>>80417851
Pic related

>>80421033
If she's a Skywalker, not really.

>>80421010
Asami was a noncharacter since the beginning and well before Korrasami was a even a glint in Byrke's eye. You can't blame that on Korrasami, just Byrke's writing in general.

>>80417888
Writing for the sake of anything other than good writing is bad writing. You can have progressive stuff in good writing, but if you're more focused on scoring minority points than you are on writing a good story then you aren't going to write a good story.

>>80421092
It's just the final nail in the coffin, I mean. It's horribly depressing when your character's conflict for the season is introduced and then resolved within the same episode.

>>80421010
You'd be surprised since Korra is always shown to be Asami's girlfriend. In the Fanart usually Korra is wearing something or has a tattoo of Asamis company logo, she is shown as belonging to Asami.

I would also say that it did destroy all the character development in Korra and Makos relationship (however shit it might be). All that relationship drama was completely pointless in the end.

>>80417851
>____ for the sake of being progressive is bad ____

Fixed that for you.

>>80422674
>In the Fanart usually Korra is wearing something or has a tattoo of Asamis company logo, she is shown as belonging to Asami.
That's more prominent in the porn community because people have a thing for Korra being dominated by a dainty pale girl, and even then Asami is just there for the viewer to project onto. Very little of it at this point has anything to do with people genuinely believing Asami is the "dominant one" in the relationship.

But if you remove people's fetishes from the picture, Asami really doesn't have anything besides being Korra's girlfriend.

Every Korra thread is the same.

>>80421061
luke was a skywalker and he couldn't do half of that shit until the last movie

>>80423256
Oh i know she doesn't. But the "fans" don't see it that way because they all give her a character.

But i also believe that Korra is often reduced to being, non-white, a woman and bisexual by the "fans"

One day.
Just one day without this thread.
All I ask.

>>80424793
welcome to 4chan.