>villain tries to achieve immortality >it is painted as

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>character strives to eradicate the impurities of flesh and recreate the world with the purity and perfection of machines
>they're depicted as being in the wrong

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>Rebels portrayed as heroes
>Established government are evil
Because everyone knows Revolutions ALWAYS end well.

>>79683740

>human beings are always superior to machines... in the end

>character relying on technology a lot, proves themselves worthy through their humanity in some contrived plot

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>>79683850
The only ons that matters did.

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>>79683549
>Racism portrayed as bad

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>>79683918

>>79683549
>villain tries to rewind time and fix every wrong he's done
>the hero tries to stop him for no reason

>Hero keeps big secret from parents
>Parents, when they find out, actually don't give a shit
Jake Long, Danny Phantom, Dexter, the list goes on.

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>>79683549
>villain wants to "cleanse"
I swear it's worse than when they say destroy as opposed to kill
get a thesaurus people

>>79684622
I actually don't remember Dexter's parents finding out.

>>79683549
Yes, termination is final. But to fear death is to remain a child in the face of nature. Countless life forms have died for you and me and every Living thing that exists today. Untold numbers will die after ever single one of us is gone. It is simply the way of things.

Nothing lasts forever anon.

>>79684761
A couple of times, it happens. It's implied Dexter wipes their memories every time.

>>79684761
They did in the original series finale, the one with the kaiju fights. They and dexter got mind-wiped anyways.

>>79684835
>Countless life forms have died for you and me and every Living thing that exists today.
And I wonder if they wanted it that way.

I, for one, fear immortality because I fear succumbing to boredom. Hell, I don't even want to reach my 40s, the idea of reaching my 500s, or 2000s or 7'000,000 just utterly frightens and confuses me. What the hell would I do all that time long anyway?

>>79684915
Same thing you're doing right now - wasting time online.

>>79684937
>Century-long flame wars
>Decade-long circle-jerks
>Eternal faggotry
I'm agreeing with the hero more and more here.

>>79684937
Bah. 4chan went into shit within less than a decade. I cannot even imagine what the internet of the year 900'000 will be like.

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I know this is in damn near every tropes thread but,
>protag has a a chance to kill the antag
>"No. Then I'll be no better than he is"
>antag inevitably kills more people

This is like a doctor with a cure for cancer saying "If I kill this disease I'll be no better than it is."

>>79684915
While true immortality would be a curse in no time at all, living a few hundred years to a thousand would probably be rad, as long as you don't age at the normal rate and have your bones creak after a mere 50 years or so. Life is way too short. I, personally would at least want to multiply it a few times.

>>79683549
Well... it's a good lesson for real life but loses its impact if you establish that immortality actually exists in that fictional world.

>>79685027
It depends. If it's something that gives you godlike power I agree. If it's just some life-extending elixir or genetic alteration? Nah, you'll still die in the end. Something will get you eventually, even if it's the end of the universe.

>>79683549
> Love potion
> not date rape

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>Character stands up to bully
>OMG HE'S THE NEW BULLY NOW
FUCK OFF!
It's literally the kids version of
>If I kill him, I'll be just like him

>>79685016

This right here. Death's nothing to be afraid of, but having about 300 years would make a lot of things easier. Old enough to see everything and get good and bored.

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>>79685016
>>79684915
The thing about immortality, and yes I stole this from that cracked article before the whole site went to shit, is eventually you will be in a situation where death would be a better alternative. Just to name two examples,
>trapped somewhere forever like under the rubble of a collapsed building or something
>floating through space after the earth is inevitably destroyed someday

>Villain invents something revolutionary
>Heroes stop them
>Invention is never seen or mentioned again
This isn't even like shit that would be used for good, like a shrink ray or growth ray, this is shit like power armor or laser weaponry that held its own against the hero but failed due to human error.

>whole plot is about trying your best, training, hard work
>final lesson is cemented as "some people are just born better than others. you can never be better than them no matter how hard you try."

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>>79685213

>>79685161

Also, given that we still don't know what it's like to actually BE dead, we don't know, as Socrates said, if it turns out being dead is actually the best thing that could happen to us. Even if we cease to exist, that's not so bad except for the part where the light goes out.

>>79685213
That's true though.

>>79683850
Not /co/ related. But the game FTL is the only piece of fiction I seen where the Rebels are the villains and the government are the good guys.

>>79685213
That's true, though.

Real life isn't a videogame, with balanced classes and skill trees. Some people are just plainly overpowered and some are just background NPCs in their own life.

>>79685133
Fuck parents and teachers for pushing this shit. People have the right to stand up for themselves.

>>79683549
Mother 3 had my favorite handling of the idea of immortality.

>>79684915
Just keep picking up new hobbies. Think Vandel Savage in that one episode of JLU where Superman was trapped in the future, when you have an eternity ahead of you spending a few decades learning ever aspect of the legal system or studying how to build a space ship is just a way to pass the time instead of some great undertaking.
>>79685161
You have forever. That building will erode to dust and you will be there to get up and walk away. You can spend countless centuries drifting through space, but eventually you will land somewhere and continue where you left off. This too shall pass.

>>79685213
I think the real problem is that this moral isn't used enough.
Do you know how many millions of people have died trying to learn to fly before the Wright Brothers stumbled upon it? Do you know how much time, effort, and money has been spent trying to do that before the hot air balloon was invented?
Those people nobody knew were intellectuals, visionaries, award-winners. The guys who're in the history books? Two bicycle repairmen, a chemistry teacher, and a rifleman.

>>79685012

"No it's different because the cancer has feelings" Quote from some idiot.

I really fucking hate the logic of

Kingdom = good
Empire = bad

>>79683549
Well as there is no real way to achieve immortality in real life, thats a pretty good lesson to learn

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>>79685412
>just land on another planet
Well if you were traveling at light speed, and contempt with doing fuck all aside from twiddling your thumbs for 10s of thousands of years, and assuming the planets aren't traveling away from you faster than you're traveling to it, maybe, just MAYBE you'll hit a planet within a few million years.

But what after the heat death of the universe? After the stars have all died?
Traveling through nothingness for the rest of eternity is still better than death?

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>>79684711
I send you to the next dimension

You know what I miss in cartoons? When pre-established characters told famous stories and historical accounts.

Garfield and Friends was the best at that, showcasing Casey at the Bat, Snow White, The Ride of Paul Revere, even a pastiche of Stephen King's Christine!

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>>79684622

>Something causes the parents to forget and the hero resumes keeping it a secret

>>79685879
Everything about entropy goes out the window when we're dealing with logic defying immortality that will allow someone to continue living through to the end of existence.

>>79685695
The only way to prove you're immortal is by not dying. Maybe you're just very, very, very long-living.

>>79685413
everyone remembers that idiot who tested his parachute by jumping off the Eiffel Tower.

>>79685286
Yeah that struck me as odd. At first I was thinking that the game would be about fleeing the fleet of oppression as I race to my rebel base, but no. It was a fine twist on something incredibly simple. It makes you wonder if there is any credibility left to the idea that the media systematically pacifies us through pro-authority messages.

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>>79685412
If I had the discipline or drive to do any of that, I would've finished college by now, or at least learned how to draw. I'm already bored; I don't think I could spend being bored for millenia.

>>79683549
I'm more annoyed when a character loses whatever makes them immortal and they age like a thousand or whatever years in seconds until they're a pile of dust instead of, y'know, are just no longer immortal and will age normally from then on.

>>79685668
It's true. We say that the limits of life are what give us meaning, but we're not going to test that out. We can't. We have faith that our inevitable deaths make life a more worthwhile experience, but we won't live centuries of worthwhile experiences and wait a few millennia to see if living ever loses its luster.

>>79686323
We can't do that yet anyway. We probably will eventually.

>>79683549
You can't defeat death.

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>>79684711
What if they really just want to cleanse?

>>79686228
Makes sense if it's due to some kind of magic. You write it as time catching up with them, or death coming to collect what you've been cheating it out of for the past few centuries. Generally it's only applied to beings that have lived well past their species natural lifespan.

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>>79686660
Says you

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>>79684971

But on the other hand, just think of how esoteric the memes would become. Imagine memes that require decades of research and study to understand for those who were not present at their inception. Intricate memes designed over the course of centuries for the purpose of eliciting extremely specific responses in the minds of its viewers. Memes would replace language, disseminating ideas with far greater efficiency than words. It would be like a return to Egyptian hieroglyphics, only far more refined; a single symbol could contain an entire field of knowledge within its borders.

It would be beautiful.

>>79686829
I II
II L

>>79683549
I'm still fucking pissed over that picture...

>>79686844
I'll ill... What could it mean??

>>79683855
>>79683855
The nigga in the suit is driving the niggasuit

The niggasuit does not have the creativity or stubbornness of the nigga

>>79686792
/thread

>>79686075
Well you see anon, that's actually a long story.

That idiot was named Franz Reichelt, and was known as The Flying Tailor. Franz was a simple man with a good idea: The Parachute Suit, if something happened mid-air and the pilots had to leave their vehicle, they would simply leap from the vehicle and pull a strap, their suit would extend a series of flaps and fabrics that would slow their descent. This suit would, eventually, be perfected over 80 years later for the extreme sport Wingsuiting.

But that's not what this story is about. Franz (also known as Frantz) was a confident, charismatic man. He believed his idea was perfect, and he began experimenting in July of 1910, using metal poles, rubber, and fabric. The suit, weighing about 70 kilograms and having to use Six square meters of material, was rejected by Aero-Club de France, the leading French aeronautics agency at the time, hoping to dissuade him from wasting any more time and material on this.

It didn't, and ironically it was the same agency that rejected him that damned him. A year later a man named Colonel Lalance had the agency hold a contest, promising a prize of 10,000 francs to whoever invented a safety parachute that would weigh less than 25 kg. Franz, naturally, competed. Despite neither his prototypes nor his newer designs working, he was determined to win this contest, and determined that his suit's design was failing due to a lack of time to open (his experiments had been no higher than 8 feet).

Franz announced to the press and any media who would be willing to carry him that he would be testing his final design from the top of the Eiffel Tower on the morning of Sunday, February 4th. He arrived with two friends, and began showcasing his suit. Said suit was actually made fairly intelligently, looking only like a suit two sized too large than an actual parachute, and limited none of the wearer's movement. When fully unfolded, the parachute resembled a cloak, and weighed only 9 kg.

>>79685213
There was an Eric Carel book with that moral. Something about a frog puffing itself up to be bigger than a bull. He died at the end.

https://youtu.be/z2E9te5hZRw
Sound familiar?

>>79687008
Franz approached the tower and began to the top, much to the shock of the police and spectators. You see, while experiments from the top of the Eiffel tower were not uncommon in those days, it was an unwritten rule that one would only use safety dummies for these tests, this was something nobody told Reichelt, having assumed his sense of self-preservation would have prevented this. With papers granting him complete immunity from the police, the crowd could do nothing but watch as he perched himself from the top balcony, accompanied by his two friends and a cinematographer.

It was a very windy day, and even his friends pointed out that it was a poor idea to attempt this, but Franz was determined to leap. Questions of safety ropes and landing gear were completely ignored, Franz himself saying that:
"I want to try the experiment myself and without trickery, as I intend to prove the worth of my invention."

At the bottom of the tower the grounds were cut off by ropes to keep the crowd from interfering, and policemen did their job, albeit reluctantly.

Franz' last words were "À bientôt" as he leapt off the tower with a smile on his face. He broke his right arm and leg, his spine, and his skull. Blood was pouring from his face as his eyes stared, dilated in the horror of his last seconds of life. He was rushed to the hospital, but declared Dead on Arrival.

Despite his failures, Reichelt was remembered as a foolhardy genius, and his death served as a cautionary tale for the french government to not be as foolhardy with their tower.

>>79687448
The actual film of Franz' death can be seen here:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/death-jump-eiffel-tower/query/franz+reichelt

>>79683549
>spend an entire serious to show that there is no such thing as true immortallity

>later a villain is 100% immortal with no explanation and is defeated and never mentioned again.


fucking Naruto.

>>79685412
you can't just learn and retain things. The human brain can only hold so much data. Even if it could store all of that data you have a hell of a time sifting through it all.

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>>79685412

The problem arises if you have an immortal, impervious body, but don't have a mind capable of dealing with floating through a vast expanse of nothingness for millions, if not billions of years on end.

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>Power = evil

Pisses me off because I feel like at least half the people who think it reached that conclusion because they were too stubborn to admit someone they knew was a wolf in sheep's clothing all along. It's power's fault they have to admit to themselves that their friend's an ass-hole now.

>>79687899
That's even better, you'll never run out of things to relearn.

>character is supposed to be good at something
>emphasis on their skill and how hard they train
>character is literally never seen training
>character's appearances lead one to believe their schedule is always open
So when do these niggas train?

>>79688388

We usually don't see characters using the bathroom or eating three meals a day either.

>>79688526
You know what I mean

>>79688388
For all its flaws, at least Arrow got this right. We always see Oliver in the cave doing his training.

>>79687503
Brutal.

>>"there are worse things than dying"
This isn't incorrect

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>>79683549
>wanting to be forever young
do you really want to live forever?

>>79690180
Does he dare to love forever?

>>79690517
Some are like water and some are like heat.

>>79684711
What's the problem? It's usually used in the context that they're comparing the person/people they're trying to kill or whatever to filth

>>79685845
>But how the world should be
Uh even if we go full out fantasy then we still need death otherwise we get fucking Cancerverse.

>>79685012
>Literally just said all people are cancer of the earth
Whoa there, anon. Don't cut yourself on that autism

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>>79683549
>villain tries to achieve immortality
>posted alongside that picture
I see what you did there.

>>79687448
I wish sometime would make a movie about this

Shit, get Benedict cumberbatch, he's in everything these days.

>They told him it was impossible
>"A pilot could fall from his vehicle and spend his entire descent knowing that somebody could have made something to save him"
>They tried to silence him
>[Shot of Cumberbatch angrily tossing away desist papers]
>"I am going to be the first man to fly almost completely un-aided"
>[Shots of the crowd cheering/booing him as he approaches the Eiffel tower]
>[Triumphant music plays as he starts climbing]
>[Close up of his face, he takes a breath, the camera shows the foggy streets below him]
>"À bientôt"
>[Slow motion as he steps of the ledge, then fade to white before words come on screen in italics]
>It didn't work

>>79692417
It's Jackass, old-school edition.

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>>79692005
>Cousins having platonic is unhealthy

>>79684622
>>79684761

Dexter's parents seemed pretty pissed off about it, actually.

>>79685115
Well.
A drug that changes what you want without clouding your mind would be the same as you changing your mind through persuasion.
Rape would happen against your will, but since you now agree, a consensus has been reached.
The problem is there in reality being no substance that has the effect of actually changing your opinion.

>>79685322
Exactly. If I ever have kids be sure that they will be punished for starting a fight but if they finish one I'd probably reward them.

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>>79683549
>Filename

>>79685668
The thing is that humans are not made to exist forever.
To achieve meaningful immortality, we would need a means to keep ourselves from falling apart, to stay eternally young.
And maybe we will need to find a way to eventually forget reliably lest we end up like Tolkien's Elves who accumulate grief eternally.

Forever is a long time indeed.

>>79683855
I didn't like the Brother Blood arc in Teen Titans either

>>79685606
Don't they both mean the same thing?

>>79685668
I don't get it.

>>79685350
(Mother 3 ending spoilers, just a warning) I beat it but I don't recall and moral lesson about immortality. Other than maybe it was a weakness because now he's stuck to be bored for all of eternity inside of that ball thing. Was there more of a moral to it? It's been a while.

>>79685879
What if you live through the heat death of the universe and then witness the birth of a new one? Wouldn't that be cool? Lets imagine for a second your ridiculous immortality also gives you infinite brain space, so you can remember everything you've done and seen. You'd have the knowledge of the old universe as life begins in a new one, maybe after all that time you'd learn to create life somehow.

>>79693850
Sauce? Google doesn't give anything.

>>79685286
The old PC TIE fighter game did a good job of making you feel like the good guy by having missions about taking out smugglers and other dangerous criminals.

>>79684835
But not trying to make something that lasts forever makes life a series of insects constantly breeding and climbing to the top of a pile that is being incinerated.
The strength of Humanity has been our subversion of nature, not our submission

>>79691925
I'm just don't like that in villains, but I guess that's just me

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>>79693850
I too request the sauce

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>Cartoon has a song play
>Song is very clearly inspired by another, real song
Why the shit couldn't they just use the real song? Am I missing something, because Simpsons and Family Guy do it all the time.

>>79697912
Licensing. It's free to do a parody, but they would have to pay to use the real one.

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>>79685012
>hero has a no-kill policy
>villain tries to get him to break it
>hero just shoots him in the legs and arms, crippling him

BASED
A
S
E
D

>>79698018

truely an overlooked show by most on /co/

>Some LGBT-themed children's comic/storybook thing. I think it was called The Flower Boy.
>It's about a little boy who is very small, weak, gentle, and loves flowers
>He gets bullied. This is compared to a 'flower being trampled'.
>His father encourages him to stand up for himself and fight but he doesn't because he doesn't like to fight.
>Ends with the lesson of 'Please don't trample the flower boy'.
>The flower boy learns nothing, never stands up for himself, does not change in any meaningful way.

So, the moral of the story is that it's okay to not defend your way of life. It teaches people to rely on either the mercy of people stronger than them or the willingness of other, stronger people to make personal sacrifices in order to protect them. The lesson is complacency. The lesson is don't defend yourself, just hope and pray that other people will either stop bullying you or other people will defend you.

It's the worst. It tells kids that they should embrace who they are but never bother to stand up for who they are.

Forget the name of the author. I know it's Swedish.

>>79683549
>that fucking face
Rage.
I can only feel rage.
I actually have a pretty bad case of halitosis directly related to my gastritis, which is related to my anger and rage. This condition keeps growing and growing.
One day, I'll burn down Cartoon Network's HQ with flaming bad breath.

>>79698230
But anon, wouldn't that destroy what was left of the original drawing?

>>79698425
At this point, I'm only taking that piece out of its misery.
Let it become ashes and then one with the winds, let it have the funeral of a hero and become a dark obelisk of smoke, a monument to its own greatness and an short lived tomb.I shall become the herald of cleansing.
I'll have to carry that weight.

Bang

>>79684971

>Winning Dwarf Fortress

>>79698224
Sweden, yes!

>>79684711
Shut the fuck up or I'm sending your ass to the shadow dimension

>>79699126
>>79698224

Found it. It's by Elias Ericson.

Biggest piece of tripe I've ever read.

>>79695238
>>79696880
Teasecomix thread on 7 + 1 chan's hentaiporn board.

>>79694060
No, giving someone a substance against their will that causes them to act in ways they normally wouldn't is not at all the same as persuading someone.

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>>79698224
>>79699126
>>79699274
oh my goodness he's the same guy who made that comic about people at a party getting internally butthurt over words
>>79699212
not if it you meet your maker first

>>79698224
I read that too. The way I see it the moral is don't pick on others because they're different, because that will make them sad. The boy doesn't learn anything but hopefully the reader does, and he or she won't trample any sissy flower boys or other weird people in the future. It's not a book primarily aimed at the sissy flower boys, it's aimed at the kind of children who pick on sissy flower boys.