Can Steven do it?

It's been discussed a billion times, yes he can, end of story

>>79110899
A thread that the mods can easily delete is made? Wow boohoo. Fuck off /sug/

>>79110899
No one wants your shitty fap threads. This is better.

>>79111158
>better

>>79110829
But Lapis is already redeemed.
It's the CG who need to redeem themselves for Lapis.

I'd be ok with Jasper remaining the one unredeemed Homeworld Gem, if only to teach Steven a valuable lesson.

His faith in Lapis Lazuli is rewarded because of his genuine friendship for her, and because she was Chaotic Neutral to begin with. Peridot is the one who exists to show that Steven/the Earth can win over Gems who're already committed to the great Gemocide, and Jasper is the one Gem who is actively hateful of the Crystal Gems and Earth and everyone on it, so it's the divide that's hardest to bridge. I'd also be okay with Jasper's redemption coming at the cost of Lapis'. Having them both come out on the side of the angels would make the CGs a bit too OP IMO

Some homeworlds just have to be Yellow Diamond tier assholes. That's why Jasper was introduced. Also, who can't wait for season 3 opening w/ Lapis and Peridot?

>>79111234
They will need a new theme, though.

>>79111219
You'd be OP too if you were trained by Rose Quartz.

>>79111219
I'd enjoy it if he tried to extend an olive branch to her when she's outnumbered and her only choice is getting bubbled or turning traitor like Peridot, she just shatters her own gem right in front of him

>>79111181
How is it worse?

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The "Blue Diamond is a Fusion" theory is so annoying because it's so convincing but so obviously wrong

>>79111317
Will they? I think the original gems are still the original gems. If they all sing in unison during the main song it'll work. Season 3 will be probably the final season seeing as the gems are neutralizing the age old war problems and then the only higher conflict is the diamonds themselves and the fact that Steven is one himself.

>>79111317
With enough creativity, the names can get tacked on seamlessly.

Here's one guy's take including Peridot:

http://thomassanders.com/post/137397118439/so-i-was-laying-in-bed-and-it-occurred-to-me

>>79111334
Nah. I think she would see suicide as cowardly and fight to the end.
Which would allow her to get her Gem cracked so Steven can heal her up.

>>79111412
What about blue diamond looking like Connie and her being the only Diamond to directly confront the rebellion on Earth? Did she breed on earth in India producing Connie's bloodline? Four arms and blue? The clues are there that the blue diamond court was defeated on earth and the remaining were captured or settled on earth. Also, she totally covered her face in her first appearance.

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>>79111551
no, that is completely retarded.

The blue diamond theory has that statue, Lapis's bisected diamond and her mysterious second hands going for it

>>79111412
I thought that was the Lunar Goddess not BD? If anything the Lunar Goddess is all the Diamonds fused

>>79111463
Yeah, he crammed Peri in there. But if you try to shove more in there, the meter falls apart. With Lapis and Jasper, the list would also just be unfeasibly long.
Lists beyond 4-5 items simply become dull.
And with vastly different syllable counts you just run into all kinds if problems.

They will need a new concept. Maybe Peace on Planet Earth.

>>79111463
Christ, this guy has a nice voice I get, but he uses it so obnoxiously

>>79111859
100% for Peace on Planet Earth for new theme song

>>79111847
the one in pearl's hands is the lunar goddess, the statue in the hologram is the mystery

>>79111463
Does he have to drag the beginning part out so much. It's fucking painful listening to him draw every word for five extra syllables waiting for him to get to the damn point.

Why would anyone want Jasper to be redeemed? She's the best villain this show ever had.

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what have we become

>>79111317
They could just have all joined gems sing the "AND STEVEN" with Steven. It's either that or make a new song entirely, which I'm not against.

>>79111463
He can sing but he also does that show offy "drag out words" shit.

>>79110829
>Lapis
Probably
>Jasper
Doubtful

On an unrelated note, is /sug/ banned again? Last I heard, on the talk back thread of the last day of the last bomb, a mod said if it was kept to a containment thread (/sug/), it was fine, but there shouldn't be multiple threads (totally understandable). Did that change? If so can anyone give me even a general idea of when that changed/what was said?

>>79112010

This is only the beginning.

>>79110829
Lapis doesn't really need redemption. She's basically good, or at least on Steven's side already. She was just scared as shit the whole time she's been on screen.

Jasper... is unlikely. I feel like Jasper is gonna get corrupted or shattered or something horrific.

>>79111704
God, that's dumb but I can somehow see it being true. Still, I don't think we saw another pair of hands in the images of the diamonds, which would have been a pretty fucking important feature to add.

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>>79112114
it got shadowrealmed

>>79112165
She'll just be bubbled until the CG desperately need her manhands to manhandle some big monster or YD's personal Gemyu Force.

>>79112166
no,but people noticed thick lines under BD's hands that weren't there in the other diamonds. The thick lines were on all the planets, but not on the diamonds

>>79112195
Okay, but do we have a statement from the mods saying why it was? Or did they just delete /sug/ after /sug/ till everyone got the idea?

I don't lurk those threads every day, and they're almost always shit, but I'm curious.

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>>79112114
someone had a screencap of it

basically they let /sug/ run for a week or so and said that that was long enough

also said that the posting in /sug/ devolved into garbage so they're asking us to create specific lore threads

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>>79112245
>jasper will never use her big sexy manhands to manhandle your big monster

>>79112028
If we get Peri and Lapis, then they will need a new song.
Especially if they make Connie a regular in the fighting.
And we could get like an intro that is like a cascade of fusions culminating in some Alexandrite+ level monstrosity.

>>79112165
>She's basically good

Speaking as a Lapisfag, she's got a very long way to go. She's deeply self-centered, quite unstable, prone to overreacting, doesn't care about Earth, and hates the Crystal Gems. If she were to be freed from Malachite right this second, I couldn't see her hanging out in the temple. Not without a lot of time to work out her issues.

>>79112269
Hiatus

>>79112269
There was "nothing new to discuss"

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>>79112166
found it

>>79112274
>>79112330
>>79112336
I see. Thanks.

I would still appreciate a screencap or a day this was stated so I can look it up in the archive if anyone happens to know.

Wait, ok, I haven't been on in a while...

did /sug/ get banned again?

I thought they were given a chance if they behaved...

>>79112336
Isn't that the case for literally every other /co/ general?

>>79112395
Read the last 20ish posts.

>>79112401
/sug/ get special treatment because it's especially shitty during non-talk back threads.

>>79112411
I did the minute I finished posting...
This is what I get for having ADD...

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>>79112401
yes, people have thing with /sug/ though

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>>79112345
Fug, I still don't think Lapis is involved but 'BD is a fusion' might actually be true, may explain why she wears that hood.

>>79112321
Well, I think she could have had a bit of time to work off her anger with Jasper.
And if Steven told her to release Jasper and come back up, she probably would.
The CG have won that fight and changed the numbers, they need to get ready for an invasion now.

>>79110829
Do you have the Lapis suplexing Jasper pic that follows this one?

>>79112381
no, eat shit.

>>79112426
People burn through like 5k posts a day with no topic for weeks. It's abnormal.
And it's mostly shitposting.

>>79112477
The problem with the theory is that same-gem fusions don't have extra parts, and Garnet said outright that two different gems fusing was unprecedented, so if it's true, it has to be a massive secret that even Sapphire doesn't know

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>>79111704
>Lapis's bisected diamond

what does this mean?

>>79112482
>And if Steven told her to release Jasper and come back up, she probably would.
Chille Tid pretty clearly showed that Lapis knows that Steven wants her out. She doesn't want to be free. She wants to be a part of Malachite.

>>79112477
Or she could wear the hood because she's a cold, calculating leader that likes to know the facts before an making any movements (as we saw with the flashback in Garnet's origins).

>>79112534
Wow, rude, desu.

>>79112548
Like I said, it's especially shitty when there's nothing to actually discuss and people treat it like their own little IRC circlejerk.

>>79111219
They barely made it out alive when one ship attacked earth, I don't think one or two more gems would change the odds that much against an entire armada.

Regardless of what Lapis said or did it's already revealed that she wont be perma fused with Jasper

>>79112482
But Steven did exactly that in Chille Tid, and Lapis refused to listen.

>>79112584
I should elaborate on that first point.

Those types of leaders are quite often portrayed in media as being in the shadows, concealing their face, etc. That's the reason I made that connection.

To bluntly state my opinion, I don't think blue diamond is a fusion, and I think we don't have any actual evidence to support that fact at the moment.

>>79112579
We know she is coming out, so things must be changing.
And eternal struggle must get boring.

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>>79112589

Now I'm imagining an armada of hand-ships sensuously groping the planet Earth en masse.

>>79112564
look at her design. her top and skirt each have a triangle on them that form a diamond together. She's the only character with a diamond on their person that has it in two parts.

People suspect she may have been part of Blue
Diamond due to her ridiculous power level and her line "did you even wonder who I used to be?"

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>The following titles of additional unaired episodes were at one time in August 2015 posted on Cartoon Network's website, but according to supervising director Ian Jones-Quartey, they should not be relied upon as they were not officially announced and not in the correct order.

"Same Old World"
"Hit the Diamond"
"Steven Floats"
"Too Short to Ride"
"Drop Beat Dad"
"Mr. Greg"
"The New Lars"
"Beach City Drift"
"Restaurant Wars"
"Kiki's Pizza Service Delivery"
"Monster Reunion"
"Alone at Sea"
"Greg the Babysitter"
"Gem Hunt"
"Crack the Whip"
"Steven vs. Amethyst"
"Beta Part 1"
"Earthlings Part 2"
"Back 2 The Moon Part 3"
"Bubbled"
"The Kindergarten Kid"
"Gem Harvest"
"Know Your Fusion"
"Tiger Philanthropist"
"Last One Out of Beach City"

>>79111704
They wouldn't make them look alike by the temple art, give Connie's that last name, cover Blue Diamond's face, and also make Blue Diamond resemble a Hindu god.

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>>79112694
oh I get it

nice, thanks for the heads up

>>79111412
>some the murals and statues seem to suggest some of the diamonds are fusions
>They're not
>It's just some weird fashion Homeworld Gems had some thousands of years ago
>Blue Diamond still wearing the "should arms" is like running around in bellbottoms in a fringe shirt with love beads.

>>79112694
There are diamond patterns on many HW Gems. Stop tinfoiling.

>>79112641
This. It makes no real sense to assume it because it ultimately explains nothing and changes little.
It even makes Lapis act oddly to assume that.

Justso you gys know the crewneverse is probaly writing SOL episodes with Jasper and Steven right fucking now.

>>79112741

>"Hit the Diamond"

This is just going to wind up being a baseball episode, isn't it?

>>79111228
fuck off that ship is terrible

>>79112793
Not agreeing with him, but what he meant to say is that Peridot and Jasper's symbol is in one piece, while Lapis is divided between her crop top and her dress.

>>79112321
>Speaking as a Lapisfag, she's got a very long way to go. She's deeply self-centered, quite unstable, prone to overreacting, doesn't care about Earth, and hates the Crystal Gems. If she were to be freed from Malachite right this second, I couldn't see her hanging out in the temple. Not without a lot of time to work out her issues.

While she may not become a Crystal Gem, I don't think she's going to be particularly antagonistic towards them anymore.

They trapped her, but Steven freed her and her first thought was getting away from them (even if she had to kill them) and getting back to Homeworld. She and Steven talk and while she still wants to get back to Homeworld, she seems to care for Steven.

However, when Homeworld sent her back to destroy Steven/Earth, she betrayed her mission and her superior officer, so going back to Homeworld is no longer an option.

She does care about the Earth now, seeing as she cares about Steven and doesn't want to see him and the world he cares about be destroyed.

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>>79110829
It's going to happen one way or the other. The full cast of the Crystal Gems will be a rainbow by the end of the show.

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>>79112694
We literally saw them in the same room.

>>79112778
what does blue diamond have to do with "Lord of the Universe?"

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>>79112741
>Read "Same Old World" as "Old World Blues"
Courier Steven when?

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>>79112796

>>79112796
Neat.jpg

>>79112825
Not that anon, but I think that idea (Lapis's diamond symbol being divided, thus supporting the "diamonds are fusions" idea) makes little sense and relies far too heavily on a visual reference that could easily give away her position on a planet/civilization where fusion outside of combat is looked down upon.

>>79112861
I didn't say I believe that she's part of BD, ust that some people do. Either way, Lapis's extreme power needs some explanation, as does the bisection of her diamond

>>79112832
Lapis openly refers to Earth as a "miserable planet" in Jailbreak, remember?

Besides, Lapis's hatred and distrust of the Crystal Gems never took the form of her wanting to kill them. She just doesn't believe in their cause and would rather be as far away from them as possible.

>>79112907
Yup. Hence "not agreeing with him." It's seriously reaching at best.

>>79111219
Honestly, I personally see Jasper getting redeemed and Lapis being too hateful, too hurt and too unstable to join the fight, despite her friendship with Steven. At least until the finale.

Anyone got the MEGA library for the latest episode uploads? I had a hard drive die and I gotta replenish.

>>79112940
As far as she knows the CGs trapped her in a mirror for hundreds of years

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>>79112929
While not bisected the 3 rubies had a pink triangle on the front and back of their outfits making a diamond

Anybody got a download link for the series? I wanna start watching, but I can't find a complete version in decent quality anywhere.

At this point, web quality is good quality for me.

>>79112929
>Either way, Lapis's extreme power needs some explanation

She is part of the team sent to alter the planet to suit the needs of the Diamond Authority. Her abilities (possibly along with other Lapis', was to remove the oceans from the planet to dry it out, thus making it easier to create the vision Homeworld had for Earth).

There, Lapis' power explained.

>>79112982
>As far as she knows the CGs trapped her in a mirror for hundreds of years
This is not explicitly true. It is currently unclear who put her in the mirror, and the only clues we have to go on about how she got trapped in the mirror lie in Pearl's lines about it:

>We found this gem powered mirror at the Galaxy Warp.

That's literally all we know about it's origin.


>>79113040
Check /sug/ in >>>/trash/

>>79112855
>all that Little Steven Academia
Cute.

>>79112929
>Lapis's extreme power needs some explanation

Here's a list of reasons.
>Lapis is a member of the Gem equivalent to aristocracy and has unique powers
>Lapis is purpose-built to manipulate water, as part of terraforming efforts
>Lapis's abilities aren't considered impressive by Gem standards because water isn't a thing on Homeworld
>Lapis's performance in Ocean Gem was the result of her deliberately overcharging herself out of desperation

>as does the bisection of her diamond
It looks neat.

>>79113040
check the sug general in trash, their op should have working links

>>79112940
I can only say that opinions and facts change.
And traumatic events can change your perspective.
Malachite might get to her.

>>79113082
Lapis considers the CGs to be responsible. Based on her dialogue in Mirror Gem, she's of the opinion that if they wanted her to be free, they'd have freed her, and they didn't.

Nonetheless, outside from a brief lashing out in Mirror Gem, she never makes any effort to try to kill them (at least, not unprovoked - hell, she had Amethyst at her mercy and didn't kill her). She just wants them to go away.

>>79112308
Anon be serious, she'd have trouble finding it.

>>79112951
That would feel suitably dramatic, yeah/

>>79113170
>Lapis considers the CGs to be responsible.
Yes, she considered them responsible, that doesn't make them responsible. For all we know gem-powered tools are a thing that exist and aren't all that unusual to the CGs who just figured the mirror was something like that.

If Lapis considers them responsible, that's her own issue. Whether they were actually responsible for her imprisonment is another story altogether and we don't actually have enough information to say one way or the other. I personally don't thing Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl are responsible (Rose is a maybe, if we get more Lapis back story I think we can say one way or the other).

>>79112940
>Lapis openly refers to Earth as a "miserable planet" in Jailbreak, remember?

But she wasn't keen on blowing it up either. She wanted Steven to leave with her in previous episodes, pleaded with him to just surrender when she warned him of an incoming Gem ship, and generally just wanted him to be safe. She hid the fact that he was related to Rose Quartz, tried to tell Jasper that he wasn't a Crystal Gem.

She doesn't think much of the Earth in general and would be on Homeworld if she had her way.

However, she doesn't want Steven getting hurt. When Jasper asks her to fuse so they can beat the Crystal Gems into a pulp, and possibly destroy the Earth, she betrays her.

If she didn't give a fuck about Steven's sjurvival, there's really no reason why she wouldn't take Jasper up on the offer. She'd rather stay trapped on that miserable planet than see it destroyed.

>>79113040
Here anon, dont go to fucking /trash/
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I feel like it's hard to tell because we don't know what Lapis and Jasper will be like after they unfuse, or what the circumstances regarding their unfusion/freedom will be. Will they both be mentally "off" for a period of time? Who breaks their fusion? If Jasper somehow breaks free, she'll probably run off and become like early Peridot--on earth and fucking with the Gems, as she tries to contact Homeworld for help. If they are freed on purpose, or together, I could maybe see her confronting the Crystal Gems and Steven trying to reason with her. Even then, we don't know enough about her or how being Malachite might fuck with her.

I mean. I'll never give up hope for Cool Aunt Jasper living with the Gems and being a hard-ass in Beach City, but I don't know how it'll get there

>>79110829
This is getting pathetic.I like SU too senpai but for fuck sake have at least some dignity.

Everyone knows that the answer is yes.

>>79113095
>Lapis is a member of the Gem equivalent to aristocracy and has unique powers
We saw several gems presumed to be lapis lazulis based on their gem cuts in The Answer, see: >>79112861

>Lapis is purpose-built to manipulate water, as part of terraforming efforts
why would homeworld need to terraform anything? they don't need air, water or food, just mineral resources

>Lapis's abilities aren't considered impressive by Gem standards because water isn't a thing on Homeworld
>Lapis's performance in Ocean Gem was the result of her deliberately overcharging herself out of desperation
Lapis lifted the enitre ocean with her powers and created several water clones more powerful than the people they represented while her gem was cracked. When it was fixed, she traveled to a distant galaxy dozens of light years away in a matter of weeks, and at no point did she show any signs of exhaustion.

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Can we assume that Rebecca lied when she said there were no villains? How is Yellow Diamond going to be redeemed? Blue Diamond even? seriously?

Also pic related. Lapis and Jasper redemption is inevitable and cute.

>>79112274
>implying any of the other generals on /co/ aren't just as cancerous
>implying the mods don't have a giant hateboner for SU

>>79113328
>why would homeworld need to terraform anything? they don't need air, water or food, just mineral resources

They convert planets into colonies. That's terraforming... or at least the alien equivalent of it, since "terraforming" specifically refers to making non-Earth enviroments more Earth-like.

Being able to move around large amounts of water would make remodeling an entire planet a hell of a lot easier.

It also seems as though the need the "life energy" of a planet to make new gems, so being able to manipulate water on planets full of life would be useful.

>>79113328
>why would homeworld need to terraform anything?
Not that anon, but "terraform" in this instance is meant as curating the planet to suit their needs.

Poor word choice to be sure, but the implications of the word make sense.

>>79113390
No villains in the sense that none of them are Dick Dastardly and Muttley, the explicitly "bad guys". They have their own motives, and they might be counter to those of the CGs, but they aren't bad.

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>>79113474
Yes but Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond are harsh and cruel. BD is cruel to her own gems and YD wants to destroy Earth because it reminds her of the failure that was the Rebellion.

It used to make sense when they were doing things purely for survival, but they are actually bad characters now that they've been revealed.

P.S. I hope they don't bully Jasper for too long when she appears again.

>>79113307

I want her to come back a completely mindbroken nervous wreck suffering from fusion-rape PTSD.

>>79113390
>Can we assume that Rebecca lied when she said there were no villains?
From what I remember she was just talking about Season 1.

>>79113283
That wasn't what I was saying. The question was, does Lapis consider the CGs responsible for her imprisonment, regardless of whether they were the ones who initially put her there? The answer is yes.

>>79113328
They aren't perfect explanations, no, but developing this massive, bizarre conspiracy hardly seems like the obvious answer.

And in any case, those other nobles could be anything. Teardrop cuts and blue gemstones aren't uncommon. They also don't look much like Lapis - they're different heights, the wrong shades of blue, and have a distinct silhouette - and if that doesn't matter and there were multiple Lapises, isn't that a further implication that Lapis isn't part of a Diamond, since her class isn't that uncommon?

>>79113328
>We saw several gems presumed to be lapis lazulis based on their gem cuts in The Answer

And all of them could be aristocracy, sharing the power of water manipulation that is unique to their breed.

>why would homeworld need to terraform anything? they don't need air, water or food, just mineral resources

Do you have any bloody idea how useful hydrogen and oxygen are? Peridot said it herself: colonization is an extremely efficient process. They don't let ANYTHING go to waste, and that would include water.

>at no point did she show any signs of exhaustion.

And all of those amazing powers are completely and totally worthless if there isn't any water nearby. It doesn't matter how powerful she is if she can't actually use that power.

>>79113556
and Steven can save her, like he tried to save Centipeedle

>>79113390
>Can we assume that Rebecca lied when she said there were no villains? How is Yellow Diamond going to be redeemed? Blue Diamond even? seriously?

She clearly meant that there are no mustache twirling "muahahaha" villains. The term was "no true villains".

Honestly, I can see Homeworld just deciding to not go through the trouble of destroying the Earth, whereas most "true villains" would kill themselves just to see the protagonists go down out of sheer spite.

Yellow Diamond, for instance, is more interested in seeing the Earth destroyed because it annoys her. She's Marvin Martian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fcaXmpZydI

>>79113528
>but they are actually bad characters now that they've been revealed.

No, they aren't.

They might be dicks, but they aren't evil and they aren't villains. Stomping on an anthill doesn't make you Hitler.

>>79113559
>But we won't necessarily see that many iconic villains on Steven Universe, says Sugar — the Gems aren't dealing with a particular person, but something "bigger than that." There's not "really a singular enemy." Instead, the conflict will be within the group, and it'll be about Steven figuring out what's right.

I guess she could mean the Diamond Authority as a whole being the "bigger than that" problem. But really, the Earth being destroyed is due to YD's insistence on creating the Cluster since she resents the CGs.

At the end of the day the conflict is due to a singular (or at most 2-3 Diamonds) enemy, isn't it?

Interested on other viewpoints on what she meant.

Lapis yes, that basically happened when she sacrificed her freedom to keep Steven safe. Jasper idk. It would be tough to have her redeemed but if the crew can do it well, I'd dig it

>>79113594
What if Centipeedle is the third new member instead of Jasper?

I mean, she's the Gem that retains parts of her corruption and her story will be struggling to find a place as a half-monster

While Jasper goes back to YD is still an antagonist. But part of a team like the Ginyu Force

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>>79113639
If you're an ant, then yes, the human that stomps on your ant hill is Hitler.

If you look at it from any perspective, she's destroying the Earth out of a personal grudge. Peridot gave her other viable options that were even better for Homeworld's prosperity and she denied Peridot because she just wants Earth gone. She's literally Hitler.

I don't understand how you don't see her as bad.

>>79112654
A year to someone who's over 5000 years old isn't much.

>>79113528
>but they are actually bad characters now that they've been revealed.

Not really. They have their motivations to be sure, and their morals aren't the same ones we have, but consider YD in whatever the name of the episode was where Peridot contacts her:

Peridot has failed in her mission, crashed her ship, contacted YD directly in a way that no one should, and while YD berates her, she is willing to send a ship to pick her up and resign her to a new task. That's not something a mustache twisting bad guy does. Only after Peridot calls her a clod and directly tells her she's wrong for wanting to destroy the planet does she have any cruel intentions.

>>79113573
>The question was, does Lapis consider the CGs responsible for her imprisonment
I went back though that comment chain and I didn't see that specific question posted, but I did see:
>>79112982
>As far as she knows the CGs trapped her in a mirror for hundreds of years
Which I think is false. I think she knows who trapped her, and I don't think it was the current CGs (possibly rose though). Truth be told, we don't know who put her there, and all we know is she considers them responsible for keeping her there.

All in all, this is an argument over a very small disagreement in semantics and I think I'm done with it unless you can present a better argument for it.

>>79113711

I just want more Centipeedle.

>>79113528
BD never threatened sapphire, she was going to shatter Ruby, who was NOT her gem

>>79113711
What if Jasper meets Centipeedle

and Centipeedle is the one that redeems her

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>>79112345
>Blue Diamond holding dominion over a number of planets.

>Connie's last name means Master of the Universe.

CONNIE CORRUPTION CONFIRMED.

>>79113639
yeah it does.

>>79113637
If Yellow Diamond doesn't decide to destroy Earth, then I see that as a form of redemption. She's not actually a bad person, she even handled Peridot's ideas well. The only thing that she has objectively done wrong is to plan to destroy Earth even though it's not as objective for her people.

>>79113815
Who does Ruby belong to? Maybe I forgot a part from the episode, but why would she use Gems that don't belong to her when she has tons of guards?

>>79113637
>I can see Homeworld just deciding to not go through the trouble of destroying the Earth

Steven's going to get an audience with White Diamond in the end and realize that he's been trying to tackle the problem from the wrong angle. All this time he's been giving speeches about LOVE AND PEACE ON THE PLANET EARTH but Gems, being creatures of order, aren't really interested in that. Instead, he manages to convince WD of the cold truth; that things like the rebellion happened because the same adherence to order that has helped Gemkind advance and develop so far is also causing them to stagnate. Their structure is TOO rigid, so that the smallest introduction of chaos sends the whole thing spiraling into madness.

Steven convinces WD that Gemkind has to adapt and evolve. WD will agree, and repatriate Earth into the Empire so that it and it's myriad life forms can be studied.

Then everyone will fuck. Just... dirty, gross, nasty sex all over the place. In the streets, in parking lots, in the Big Donut's slop sink. Jasper will screw a manatee, it'll be disgusting. The Diamonds will market the DVDs and become the richest motherfuckers in the universe.

And that's why, in Uzbekistan, a biscuit is known as a "Duckman."

>>79113972
>Who does Ruby belong to?
Not that anon, but I don't think Rubies actually belong to anyone. I think they're not entirely unlike Pearls or Quartz gems in that they're just mass produced for a specific function within the caste system that Home World uses.

>>79113972
>ruby belong to

>>79112992
pink

>>79113972
Destroying earth is most likely a revenge thing to erase all traces of the Crystal Gem rebellion from history.

Nothing personnel, kid.

>>79113528
>Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond are harsh and cruel
>Yellow Diamond
>cruel
YD was actually lenient and fair to Peridot until it was clear Peri was dead set on disobeying her. Even after Peridot's many failures and gall to call her on the personal Diamond line, she thanked her for the report and planned for her retrieval. YD seems cold and strict but she is better than most bosses. It's not hard to see why Peri looked up to her.

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The only issue I have with this, is that our Pearl ISNT under Pink Diamond's court. Rather she's under White diamond's. And pink pearl is still unaccounted for.

>>79112010
YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL
MY EMPIRE OF DIRT

>>79114055
We don't know what court Pearl was under, if any.

>>79113722

But most "true villains" aren't forces of nature. Is Cthulu a "true villain"? Are the aliens from any random alien invasion movie "true villains"? Are the predators from Predators a "true villain"?

Antagonistic, sure, but you wouldn't ascribe them the same kind of motivations you would a "true villain".

>>79114055
white not included because we haven't seen anyone from her court yet?

>>79114055
And here's where you get 7 replies all pointing out the pink diamond on her flight suit, this reply being one of them.

>>79114051
I saw her more like a mother figure to all her subjects. Someone they adore and look up to

>>79110829
Lapis: yes
Jasper: no
she will get poofed and bubbled

>>79114055
>our Pearl ISNT under Pink Diamond's court. Rather she's under White diamond's

You have literally nothing to back that up. At all.

Meanwhile, our Pearl has an ongoing theme of pink diamonds in her attire and also follows the color scheme pattern of her fellow Pearls matching their masters.

>>79114044
>revenge
Which is why Yellow Diamond can be seen as in the wrong, whereas everyone else fought for SOMEONE else's survival (CGs and Homeworld). YD literally just wants death because she's pissed.

>>79114051
YD is cruel for wanting to destroy a planet just because it has a bad history. Humans have done nothing to deserve such a fate. Heck, there are even better ways to mine Earth for resources. I agree, YD seems fair to her own people.


EVERYONE HAS HAD A REASON FOR DOING SOMETHING UP UNTIL THIS POINT. An objective, good reason. Yellow Diamond is doing it out of anger and resentment. This is my take at least.

>>79113972
>If Yellow Diamond doesn't decide to destroy Earth, then I see that as a form of redemption. She's not actually a bad person, she even handled Peridot's ideas well. The only thing that she has objectively done wrong is to plan to destroy Earth even though it's not as objective for her people.

She didn't even seem particularly concerned about the whole thing until Peridot kept talking back to her. She didn't even think the destruction of Earth was worth turning her head for. She didn't even want to personally see it destroyed.

She just didn't want to see it show up on a map. That's about it.

It's not until Peridot kept trying to say stuff that she got annoyed. It's when Peridot questioned and insulted her that she was actually upset.

Earth is so beneath Gem notice that they send a single Peridot to keep tabs on it, and when she suggests they have a problem, they send a single ship with a single Jasper- who thinks that Rose Quartz still being alive is way more important than the cluster/destroying Earth that she abandons the mission to take Steven back personally.

The Earth is incidental.

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>>79114089
If a being is capable of empathy or emotion and they still choose to inflict death and suffering for no cause, then yes, they are evil.

And YD clearly can be moved by emotion from what we've seen so far.

>>79114089
Cthulu is a priest of giga satan, of course he's a true villain.

>>79114200
I'm thinking Earth is the spot where Pink Diamond got shattered, and marks quite possibly the greatest embarrassment in the history of the Crystal Empire. Earth is the opposite of incidental, and is a humiliation they'd sooner pretend just doesn't exist.

>>79114163
>Humans have done nothing to deserve such a fate.

She probably doesn't even understand the concept of "human".

>>79114163
>Yellow Diamond is doing it out of anger and resentment.

I disagree to some extent. She set up the cluster as a got'cha after the Earth was abandoned by HW, but she talks about it like it's more of an old thorn in her side that's now going to bear sweet fruit. She's looking forward to the destruction of a planet (like the many she's taken under her control prior to that) simply because it's been a long time coming and her past history with it left a sour taste in her mouth.

Hell, she only seems passingly concerned with it up until the point were Peridot pisses her off. If she really was chomping at the bit to get revenge on Earth she would have been personally monitoring it.

>>79114275
Jasper knew what a human was, I'm sure YD does too. They're "organic life," not gems, so who cares about them?

>>79114269
>Earth is the opposite of incidental, and is a humiliation they'd sooner pretend just doesn't exist.

Then why is its destruction entrusted to a single low ranking gem- and when that's insufficient, a single slightly higher ranking gem? Rose is gone and there's only 3 gems left. Why not send an armada to blow it up?

For something that's so incredibly important, you'd think they'd put a lot more effort into destroying it when it only has 3 real defenders for an entire planet.

>>79114089
>Are the aliens from any random alien invasion movie "true villains"?
are you going to try to argue that aggressive colonialism isn't villainous behavior?

We can safely say such characters are evil because they are exaggerated versions of things we've decided are evil for us to do.

Who feels SU is the best it's ever been nowadays? I've never been as hype for this show in season 1. I think it's because of everybodys favorite gem peridot

>>79114089

>Are the predators from Predators a "true villain"?

That's probably not a good comparison. Predators are literally extraterrestrial big game hunters. They're not a force of nature, they're fully cognizant of what they're doing.

And Yellow Diamond certainly isn't like Cthulhu by any strange of the imagination. Cthulhu turning over in his sleep is enough to cause people around the world do go completely insane due to psychic pollution or some shit. His very consciousness is poison to the psyches of less evolved entities.

The Gems are certainly alien, but not so completely alien that they inflict pain on lesser beings simply by existing, through no fault of their own. I'd say Yellow Diamond's cruelty stems from the vast cultural and physiological gulf between gems and humans more than actual "evil" intent, however.

>>79114055
>Pearl's pink emblem on space suit
>pink hair
Sure, anon.

>>79114334
They didn't have to send an armada - they already left a living bomb in the planet's core.

>>79114055
Ruby doesnt belong under BD

>>79114311
>>79114200
these are also fair points that could totally be true. I guess we'll have to see a bit more of her character to determine what she's really like.

The way she just brushes off killing an entire planet of billions without considering better alternatives just rubs me the wrong way. Especially since humans and gems can clearly both empathize and feel.

>>79114458
where's the proof Ruby doesn't belong to BD tho? not attacking, just genuinely curious.

>>79114055
Have they even confirmed it's a Pink Diamond and not a Red Diamond?

Admittedly, with the latter I basically imagine GemKhorne. Angry, shouty, warmonger.

Who will never stab you in the back.

Just stab you a million times in the face.

>>79110829
That would be great but they need to call out Lapis on her fusion rapey bullshit. It's annoying how lapisfags insist she's a cute and innocent waifu incapable of wrongdoing despite her history of being a dangerous unstable fuckup.

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Hey, what was that storyboarder who shipped himself with pearl? I've been trying to find that again for a while.

>>79114495
>>79114495
Well, the big thing would be that she doesn't have any blue in her color scheme at all.

That, and the whole "common soldiers" thing makes me think that Rubies are gems mined generically regardless of Diamond and used as cannon fodder.

>>79114392
>Who feels SU is the best it's ever been nowadays?
I enjoyed S1 for far different reasons than I enjoy S2.

S1 had much more of a monster of the week feel to it for the first half, the second half started to build up the stories relating to home world, the history of the gems on Earth, the interplay between the two, and character building among the cast. S2 continues the latter half of S1's building, and I think that's great. I did like the Monster of the week sorta story they were going for at first, but I enjoy what it is now also.

>>79114464
>The way she just brushes off killing an entire planet of billions without considering better alternatives just rubs me the wrong way.
Here's the thing though. They're a race that presumably does this all the time (or at least taking over planets, inhabited or not). To them organic life isn't something they see as important, and I very highly doubt they recognize that there's billions of people on the planet (as a side note, I don't think we've really explored enough SU-Earth to say what the population is, but I don't think billions is out of the question). I liken this to Humans not really caring about the ants, beetles, and insects we displace when we developer suburbs.

>>79114501
pink is just a shade of red.

>>79114392

I don't think it's so much because of Peridot as it is because of the forward momentum. Season 1 was very much about the world building, which was comfy and wonderful and set up a great foundation, but wasn't exactly "oh my god I can't wait to see what happens next" exciting.

But now, even though we've had some great slice of life episodes like Steven having a birthday or Peridot learning not to be so casually cruel, the continued backdrop of staying at the barn and building the drill makes it all feel like there's a sense of things happening. We're building up to something, and in the mean time we're getting the bits and pieces we've always wanted about homeworld, but each glimpse just creates more questions.

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>>79114055

Another theory I stand by is that our Pearl is "defective" in the sense that her pearl is shaped like an oval. Whereas a perfect pearl will have a perfect circle for a shape (see Blue and Yellow pearl)

So because of her gross looking defective Pearl she was therefore a really low ranking Pearl and she just kind of turned renegade and agreed to join rose in the rebellion

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>>79114526
Lapis has been fusion raping Jasper for months. Garnet doesn't seem to care too much so far.

Pearl tricks Garnet into fusing with her twice and suddenly Pearl is a terrible, terrible rapist.

Garnet better teach Lapis to ask for permission first, the fuckin bitch.

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>>79114392
Whooo else but Peri!

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So do pearls have to match the gem placement of their diamonds in order to be considered part of their court?

>>79114464
>Especially since humans and gems can clearly both empathize and feel.

Mayflies live for only 24 hours. If you found out that mayflies can empathize and feel, would you mourn whenever one dies?

>>79114044
I bet Rose personally pissed her off in the past

>>79114634

I'm afraid they're just going to wind up completely glossing everything over as far as Jasper's traumatic experience is concerned.

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I wonder if those spoilers posted in that old /sug/ thread by the guy who quit that animation job were true

Most of it seemed legit

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>>79114636
>First a Gray on peridot
>Then Grays on Peridot
COINCIDENCE

>>79114634

Lapis had permission. If you will recall, Jasper was literally asking for it. "Don't fly off so soon... fuse with me... this is your chance to take revenge... just say yes". Who here is the sexual predator again?

Don't cry rape just because you regret it later.

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>>79114055
You know, I always assumed Roses and Jaspers were elite soldiers leading squads of Amethysts and Citrines respectively, but I don't know what Blue Diamond's Quartzes would be called, unless her part of the color wheel goes far into green.

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EXPLAIN TO ME,/co/, why do people keep saying Jasper is a rape victim? She gave consent.
>It's Jasper's fault for not coming up with a safe word.

>>79114501

We know it's Pink Diamond because the diamond is fucking pink. If it were Red Diamond, the diamond would be red. Which it isn't. So stop pushing this "Red Diamond" bullshit because it just makes you look ignorant.

>>79114552
Come on, guys, I know this wasn't just a dream

>>79114747
what are you referring to?

>>79112741
>Crack the Whip
>Steven vs. Amethyst

Oh SHIT, Amethyst Betrayal Arc bitches!

>The Kindergarten Kid
>Gem Harvest
These makes me hope that the Innsmouth theory about the Kindergarten is true and goddamn I so want that theory to be a reality, discovering the Gem Mutants may spark the Amethyst betrayal Arc as well.

>>79112799
Homeworld challenges Earth to a baseball game, winner takes all.

>>79114501
It's likely pink by this time. The triangle on the hand ship was clearly a pink color anyways.

>>79114766
>EXPLAIN TO ME,/co/, why do people keep saying Jasper is a rape victim?

Because a lot of fans of this show thing fusion is some shallow allegory to sex instead of a tool for combat and a possible way to shake up the established caste system in place on Home World controlled planets. It's just the ignorant or trolls regurgitating their wrong interpretations.

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>>79114756
>>79114766
Jasper fused with Lapis only under the pretense that Lapis wanted to fight the Crystal Gems.

Lets say I give you permission to fuck me in the bagina but don't want it in the ass. 5 minutes later you're holding me down fucking me in the ass. That's still rape you Lapis sympathizing, rapists.

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>>79114710

No, but I would once again find myself marveling at how senselessly and pointlessly cruel nature is, even while simultaneously acknowledging that it is completely nonsensical to anthropomorphize nature and attach such a label to it.

>>79114634
But anon, of course Garnet would be mad about the Sardonyx thing. That was pearlsonal.

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>>79114802
around this thread if you look for the big spoiler boxes
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/78816452/#78819323
but who knows

just hope this hiatus isn't too long and this is the only thing I've got to go on

fucking hiatuses

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>>79114830
Then explain pic related when Garnet and Amethyst are fusing or when Steven and Connie fuse and Pearl says it's inappropriate.

checkmate atheists

>>79114830

>Because a lot of fans of this show thing fusion is some shallow allegory to sex instead of a tool for combat

Well, recent episodes haven't really done much to dispel that idea.

And can't it be both?

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>>79114831
So Lapis didnt let Jasper dominate the fusion, which is why it was rape.
That whole pretense shit is nonsense and your comparison was a far cry from the situation at hand.

>>79114756
>>79114766

Because it was entrapment.

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>>79114909
The same way Jasper imprisoned Lapis?

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>>79114869
Their fusion dance is lewd and Pearl, for some reason, knows what lewd things look like for humans. pic related.

>>79114888
>And can't it be both?
I personally don't like that idea, but I guess so. I just think the basis for "guies, fusion is totally sex for gems" makes little sense. Imagine fucking your comrades on the battle field to bolster your firepower and fight the enemies. Fusion would be more akin to ignoring the Geneva Conventions so you can win a war.

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If it worked on Peridot I'm sure it can work with Lapis, not sure about Jasper tho

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>>79114897
Jasper asked Lapis for permission. She asked her if she wanted to fuse to fight the crystal gems with her.

At this point, it's unclear if Jasper could've taken Lapis. Maybe she would've been fast enough to crush Lapis' gem before the CGs could help or Lapis could summon water. Although I highly doubt it.

Lapis DECIDED to hold down and rape Jasper just to escape from her shitty existence.

>I'm sick of being everyone else's prisoner. Now you're MY PRISONER and i'm NEVER LETTING YOU GO

Now does this sound consensual to you??

>>79114897

>So Lapis didnt let Jasper dominate the fusion, which is why it was rape.

No, it's because Lapis entered into that union under false pretenses. Jasper thought they were fusing in order to fight the Crystal Gems, then Lapis forced Jasper to maintain that fusion of mind and body for months on end against her will.

>>79114929

Didn't Lapis want to be imprisoned, what with her whole self-hating shtick? Not that that makes Jasper anything other than an antagonist/villain, but fusion is also a whole different animal compared to being held in a literal cage, something that Garnet could attest to.

>>79114972

It could also be that the Crystal Gems specifically have a warped idea of what fusion is thanks to Garnet. But if that was the case, it wouldn't really make much sense as to why Peridot seemed so flustered about fusing with her...

>>79112741

>Know Your Fusion
Might be an early title for "the answer"

>kindergarten kid
The cluster? Maybe a more mellow version of it

>>79114817
>Amethyst Betrayal Arc
I want Amy to secretly run to Jasper for covert training after getting mad after someone makes the final "defective" crack about her. I will cum buckets.

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>>79114972
Pearl probably found some of Greg's porn mags hidden in the van at some point.

>pic semi related

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>>79115010

>I'm sick of being everyone else's prisoner. Now you're MY PRISONER and i'm NEVER LETTING YOU GO

Sounds like a classic case of the abused becoming the abuser.

>>79114833

And therein lies the problem, doesn't it? The cosmos is entirely indifferent to us and our machinations. We like to throw labels at what we dislike. "Cruel" and "evil" and so many more. We do everything we can to justify the terrible things we do in the name of survival and perpetuation.

But those labels only mean anything to ourselves. The universe is not beholden to us.

We call our enemy evil, even as we murder them, rape them, and take what they have. We call our fears evil, even as their mighty space hands fall from the heavens to snuff us out and take what we have. And the universe carries on as though we never were.

Ahh, yes. A quasi-philosophical discussion in a Taiwanese pictograph forum on a cold winter's night. Look out the window and think of death, kids. It's a-comin'.

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>>79115010
>keeps implying rape
>keeps implying penetration
>keeps implying intentional torture when it was clearly shown to the audience that she was using her powers to keep the fusion crushed at the bottom of the ocean
>That pic is also a far cry from what actually happened.

>>79115004
>life
What? You mean blogposts? That would be terrible

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>Rape

>>79114764
Maybe blue topaz

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Do you think the Men in Black are a thing in the SU universe?

How do you think the Gem's would react upon learning that some humans know more then they think?

>>79114781
Pls help

>>79115119

Well if not torture, what would you call being trapped in the same horrible mutant body with someone who wants to keep you caged at the bottom of an ocean for eternity while your individual psyches clash against and mix with one another in equal measure?

>>79115010
Jasper managed to grab her out of the air as she tried to fly away, do you honestly think she could get away from Jasper when they're 4~ feet apart?

>>79115190
I wish they were, that would be 11/10

Lapis trapping Jasper like that was completely unnecessary, honestly. Garnet alone was taking Jasper down, they could have just defeated and bubbled her.

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>>79115207
So basically any prison is torture, is what you're telling me.

Well prison really is torture, but regardless it's the least you can to to contain a dangerous person

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>>79115119
>>79115151
The problem is that there was no need to do that to Jasper in the first place.

Are we really to believe that JASPER can take on 4 CGs and Lapis after falling out of the fucking sky?

It's inhumane, it's torture. Jasper is clearly suffering and just wants out of this fucking situation. Infact, it's worse than penetration. Lapis has literally entered Jasper's body and is controlling her very being. Lapis is worse than a fucking rapist honestly.

And if you don't believe fusion is a close, intimate relationship that can be likened to rape or psychological torture when misused, i don't know what to tell you.

>>79115215
No, which is why I brought up the situation. However, I believe that the CGs have aerial weapons (e.g. whip, rocket gloves, etc) and that Jasper just fell out of SPACE. She's unbelievably war-torn.

>>79114972
>Imagine fucking your comrades on the battle field
That's why Homeworld looks down on mixed fusion. Legal fusions aren't like fucking, it's just becoming a bigger stronger version of yourself.

>>79112821
Its hardly a ship. Its virtually canon.

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>worse than a rapist
LUL, i don't think you understand the real-life implications of rape.

Was the imprisonment necessary? no
Why did it happen? Plot, nothing more
You're blowing this whole thing out of proportion

>>79112855
>Garnet is playing with herself
Dele this anon, you are on a blue board.

>>79115268

Prison is not the same as literally being trapped within the same physical body as someone who has an axe to grind against you personally, your consciousnesses mingling with one another as you both fight to maintain an individual will instead of forming into an unwanted gestalt.

Man, I'm starting to wonder what the point of some of the gem structures we see are..

For example, what's the point of the spires? We've seen two of them: the sky spire which held the heaven beetle and floated in the sky, and the sea spire, which was apparently owned by blue diamond and stood in a magically supported hole in the ocean. Peridot mentioned that dozens were planned but never built

Also, there's the geodes. One of which was in the middle of a crater and was filled with a powerful artifical ion storm that could have wiped out the planet, there was a similar, possibly smaller stucture on the moon base that appeared to be "contained" in some sort of holo field. It's presumably also what was in White Diamond's hands. Maybe it's a geo-nuke?

>>79115190

Garnet would stare blankly and then Amethyst would say something inappropriate. Then either Pearl or Steven would change the subject.

The gems have no qualms about people knowing their true nature. They use their powers openly in front of everybody in town. They were featured in the play explaining the origin of beach city. Garnet casually told Nanefua that she didn't have to eat and was much older than her. They showed up to dinner with the Maheswarans as a multi-story fusion monster.

not a single fuck is given. Sorry.

>>79114764
Azure Quartz?

>>79115207

"Monday morning"

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>>79115348
That is literally prison

Use that noggin of yours

>>79115358
From what we can see, it seems like humans just don't find Gem stuff that weird.

>>79115282
Exactly, it's working with a small group (2-4 maybe) to pilot a small mech into battle to fuck up infantry and other mechs. Home World says it's a bad thing to do (and they probably know that two different gems create something totally new), and prolonged use outside of combat can cause disruptions in their established castes.

Imagine rubies banding together to form a small rebellion because a handful their fusions could stand a chance at overthrowing their superiors so they could become something more than what they're created to be. That is the reason fusion is looked down upon by them. Different gems mixing just creates even more problems (Royalty/nobility mixing with the common street rabble then planning on breaking out of society).

>>79115385

Garfield please.

>>79115392

No, that isn't literally prison. Unless you've got some really fucked up prisons in your country that I'm unaware of where they put two brains in one body or stitch people together into artificial Siamese twins.

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>>79115348
Trapped, surrounded by people you don't know, people who might want to kill you. Every day being put to the grindstone, as your mind, body and the person you used to be slowly turns to dust.

Sorry, even that was too edgy for me

(and possible rape, which is a subject you seem to be fond of)

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>>79115336
You're telling me you'd rather be forced into a fusion, mind and body, with a person you hate with every fiber of your body. A person that also hates you and only wishes you harm. This person holds you there, for months, as your very souls become one. He's in your head, he's in control of the creation that you two have become.

Or, some guy puts his pee pee in your bagina until he gets off. Sure, it hurts and there is psychological damage as well. But compared to months and months of psychological torture and emotional distress? come on senpai.

>>79115349
>Man, I'm starting to wonder what the point of some of the gem structures we see are.

What do you mean? Earth was going to be a colony. All of those structures were going to be for the colonists. Places to live, places to work, places to relax.

Just because Gems don't need to eat or sleep doesn't mean they don't need places to keep their stuff or sit and read a book in their off time.

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>>79115504
You make it sound so trivial, considering the fact that many women go into a deep long depression after rape, and often commit suicide.

Also, unwanted pregnancy and STDs

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>>79115190

Sadly, there probably aren't any MIBs in SU, or at least no competent ones. Humans have been shown as basically walking plants in terms of their observational capability and sense of self-preservation, with either normal reactions to odd things or extreme lack of cognizance.

The only exceptions to this rule we've seen are Greg (who has add extensive contact with the Gems and with alien craziness) and Ronaldo (who's generally pretty nuts and whose actions defy basic logic such as punching an alien made of rock and light), neither of which are good indicators of normality. Plus, despite one of the big events to occur this far being a fucking alien invasion that forced the evacuation of an entire town, no government entities seem to have even raised an eyebrow much less made a move, despite any government entity in fiction typically scrambling when aliens show up for real in an effort to get their tech/weapons/phone number for diplomatic relations.

If we do see MIBs show up, chances are they'll be stupid, weak, incompetent or all three at once. despite trying to be the opposite, much like Ronaldo when he kidnapped Steven. They'll probably appear out of thin air, look scary, get easily-tricked by a fairly-typical fat kid and some aliens, neither of which should be able to outfox such trained agents whose whole purpose is being good at dealing with such things, and the plotline will get dropped like a hot potato after a [RESOLVED] label is slapped on it.

I'm starting to wonder just what kind of bias this show's got against humans not being shit/panicky animals, especially when a core theme is "HUMANITY IS PRECIOUS AND WORTH PROTECTING, GUIZE". Makes me wonder why in the fuck Rose cared about humans, unless she was a dipshit and assumed all humans were worth saving because one was smart and gave her a good dicking.

>>79115496

That's STILL not the same thing as literally having someone else inside your head and capable of manipulating your (shared) body against your will. It's still horrible, just for different reasons.

>>79115504
That pic is glorious though, i don't deny that Lapis is over reacting and that she's edgy.

I'm just debunking the whole "worse than a rapist" thing

>>79115358
I honestly think Pearl would have the biggest reaction to the MIB, seeing how she sees human beings as simple neanderthals with short, pointless lives that probably wouldn't understand anything beyond them like Gems, she wouldn't begin to fathom how human beings could know as much as they do about space, other alien beings etc.

The MIB allow the Gems to be on Earth and live in their fantasy as Earth's protectors, the Gems are living in their world

>>79115587
And it's also different in that it's not rape.
If you can't come to accept that then let's just agree to disagree, mmk?

calling her a rapist is, seriously, just silly.

a vengeful water witch? sure

>>79115588

Well, for a gem, it's about the worst thing that could happen to them (other than simply being shattered) short of being turned into one of those gem zombies. A gem can't be raped in the traditional sense for biological reasons, so forced/unwanted fusion is the closest they can physically or psychologically get to experiencing something like it.

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>>79115588
>>79115541
And the point I'm making is that, sure, rape is bad. But in that act, they own you physically. But being forced to fuse with someone is much more traumatizing. They own every fiber of your mind and being.

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>>79115662
thanks

>>79115336
>the real-life implications of rape.
We're not gems, but rape trauma is medically on record for significantly altering a victim's brain activity patterns, even moreso than war trauma PTSD.

Imagine having your mind melded with the mind of someone you hate, against your will, for about a year until you're close to losing your own identity. Sounds even worse than rape, honestly.

>>79115190
I just figured that the efforts of humanity in general against the gems are so insignificant, they're not even worth animating. If they didn't show up after Lapis stole the entire ocean, they're not going show up at all

>>79115679

I get what you're saying, in that a forced fusion literally involves sharing a head space, but you could argue that many rape victims are also "owned" psychologically following their traumatic experience. The rapist isn't literally inside their head, but they're still "inside their head", if you get my meaning.

>>79115679
There is no owning your body, Garnet has already explained that when you fuse with a different gem you lose your independent consciousness. Lapis is fighting with jasper's consciousness over control of the fusion. Jasper's not fighting for Jasper, Jasper is fighting for malachite.

>>79115562
Wasn't part of this discussion till now, but here's how I've reconciled it.

Humanity has been dealing with Gems and left over gem tech for nearly 5000 years, that shit is old hat by now, hell, the greater world might even attribute gems to being saviors of the world from some ancient threat, or treat them as some quasi-religious figures that existed in the past, but now are just stories.

We see in Ocean Gem that the towns folk are surprised to see Pearl project an image of Lapis from her gem, I would venture a guess that Humans for the most part are about as well aware of gems as most are of Ancient Egyptian religions (that being not very), and the Governments of the worlds are filled with SU-Earth equivalence of Free Masons (which is why Gems are on the Dollars we see in the episode with Watermelon Stevens).

The difficult part is going to getting Lapis and Jasper over their mutual fusion rape.

>>79115537
but why was the sky spire so prohibatively difficult to? You had to platform across floating islands and climb mountains of stairs that were practically vertical. Inscriptions on some of the stones there imply that the entire point of this mountain was to house, contain, and/or protect the heaven beetle.

On the other hand, the sea spire was an oasis for gems on earth, suggesting they may have served a different purpose

>>79115562
Could be that the entire town of Beach City is u det Gov control. I've seen animes, movies shows where entire towns were under control of the gov. All the citizens were under cover agents or familymembers

>>79115708
you are correct


we are not gems

>>79115742
malachite is different. you can tell by her voices. malachite is literally just jasper and lapis fighting for dominance. garnet is a different story

>>79115762

I'll eat my hat if they actually treat the forced fusion as anything nearly as serious as people seem to be thinking it is. Jasper will probably just still be her angry self and not be severely traumatized at all.

>>79115808
We've seen Ruby and Sapphire talking though Garnet in the past. I think Malachite is something like that. Two gems fighting for control of a single being that isn't allowed to be itself.

>>79115834
I really hope they do. Maybe not mind rape traumatizing, but Jasper never wanting to fuse again because of the experience would make for some nice drama.

>>79115808
The only reason there are different voices is because the fusion is unstable.

Also, Lapis is implied to be keeping control of Malachite in order to use her powers to keep Jasper imprisoned. This is both an act out of love for Steven and hate for Jasper.

Lapis hates Jasper more than Jasper hates Lapis, desu senpai.

Jasper tried to manipulate Lapis into fusing with her to kill the CGs, Jasper was trying to coax Lapis into an abusive relationship, the fusion.

>They are really bad for eachother

>>79115774

All of these structures are at least 5,000 years old and nobody has been maintaining them. Those floating islands were probably part of a land bridge at one point and vertical stairs are no problem for Gems who don't get tired. Remember when pearl climbed a mountain at 90 degrees with Steven strapped to her back?

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I like Lapis, she's cute.


But sorry, i'm a Perifag at heart

>>79115910

I agree. It would at least be interesting to have her express the view that fusion is an abomination due to what she went through. Short of having a positive fusing experience in the future, I doubt she would ever view fusion like Garnet and the other Crystal Gems do.

But who would she fuse with in a positive manner?

>>79110829
Both have no reason to join the CG at all.

>>79115679
Would honestly be cool to see Lapis suffering from bouts of temporary psychosis until the effects of the power struggle wore off, that or Steven befriends her into sanity.

>>79116044
Amy and Japser are the two closest gems in nature, considering they're basically the same kind of grunt gem. so them

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>>79115679
Also, don't forget that Peridot is a Nazi sympathizer.

>>79116044
Jasper and Pearl I hope. They're both grizzled war veterans with strong sensesof duty.

>>79112345
That's just the bg painting not following the lines. Also the statue is just that and not BD, with the diamond insignia like peridot has.

>>79116044
I'd like to think Garnet. Only someone that experienced and confident about fusing could show her how good it could be. And they already have a connection, having fought while Garnet straight up sang about fusion. Also, they're pretty equal in the sense that they're both big strong fighters, leaders of their trios, etc.

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Please
Post more psycho Lapis comics/pics
I love them

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>>79110829
Jasper is a bitch but when she finds out about the cluster I think she might defect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04A1-NMv_4Y

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We had a good discussion thread going on, but it got deleted because the OP literally called it /sug/

>>79116937
Let it serve as an example of what's acceptable I guess.

>>79116968
>OP literally called it /sug/
If you could read you would have seen it was "/sulg/", which is literally different than "/sug/"

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>>79116955
Peridot is a succubus and her bait is that fucking cat face

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>>79116982
>Steven Universe lore general
>Not /sug/
>mfw you're arguing semantics

>>79117011
You did say "literally". When you're literally wrong, I'm going to point that out, because fuck you.

>>79116968
It was deleted because it had no topic.

Lapis is already redeemed, the question is Jasper. I'm guessing being cooped up with Lapis' thoughts for a while will have a serious impact on her psyche when they split

I'd bet they'll make her petrified of the gems. Just seeing Garnet will trigger her

>>79112821
All ships are terrible.

You shippers are terrible.

>>79117025
>/sulg/ is literally /sug/, i could also argue semantics

>>79116044
>But who would she fuse with in a positive manner?

Centipeedle?

>>79117089
If you honestly believe in destiny, just fucking look inside of yourself and do what you think she meant for you to do, anon.

>>79117089
She's telling you that you belong in >>>/trash/.

>>79117089
Well this went into autism territory way too quickly.

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>>79117170

I'd be okay with this, if only because it would mean restoring Centipeedle first.

>>79117089
That sounds magical

Pearl herself is not out there, but something is

>>79117089
Could Pearl be still alive?

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>>79115504
>You're telling me you'd rather be forced into a fusion, mind and body, with a person you hate with every fiber of your body. A person that also hates you and only wishes you harm. This person holds you there, for months, as your very souls become one. He's in your head, he's in control of the creation that you two have become.

this sounds way too much like crippling depression.

>>79110829
lapis lazuli, yes jasper, maybe

>>79115190
Of course. Who do you think Mr. Maheswaran works for?

Lapis would be cool, but Jasper would be GREAT

steven is making me a person better...

Does anyone want to join a Skype group?

Anyone interested in discussing space rocks on Skype, add chairmanofbroads

>>79117594
Well he's certainly not making your grammar any better.

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>>79117611
>that screen name

>>79117618
definitively

>>79116483
This. Jasper and Pearl could have an extremely interesting dynamic, Jasper first looking down on her immensely for being fancy and useless and then learning to respect her, as she's actually taught herself to fight somewhat well, and them both bonding over their glorious battle muh warrior's code boners and memories of the war.

Also after the Malachite situation I'd imagine she'd be extremely reluctant to fuse again, and Pearl, being just a weak pearl, might seem like a tolerable alternative as she could be sure Pearl can't hold her in the fusion against her will even if it turns out to be a trap

>>79114055
Amethyst

>>79117618
but i don't care, with time and practice I will become so good as you.

>>79115634
It's not "just silly", it is what it is. Have you not seen the sexual tones the show has been giving fusion? Sure, it's not all sex, but it's there, and the show has made a big song and dance about how fusion should always, always be a choice lest it's really horrible.

Lapis is pretty damn close to a rapist. Sure she may justify it to herself as an act of vengeance but revenge rape is still rape.
I wish Lapisfags could admit that.

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>>79117801
>close to a rapist
i rest my case, senpai

>>79115215
So she could have fused, taken the fusion to the sea, and then suddenly unfused, which would have made Jasper so disoriented there'd have been time to kick her ass, seeing as they'd be surrounded by Lapis' weapon.

The months-long permarape thing is utterly, completely unnecessary. It can't be excused by "oh Jasper was kinda close, she had no choice".

>>79117847
you're right
It's plot

>>79114766
It's like when two people hit it off in a bar and agree to have a one-night-stand fuck in the toilets, and then one of them drugs the other, kidnaps them and takes them to their countryside cottage and uses them, tied and gagged, as a sex toy for months, telling them that they're going to stay there FOREVER.

It's not what the other person fucking signed up for.

>>79117801
I'm pretty fag about Lapis but I agree and I really hope it gets addressed

By the end of this torture fusion I fully expect Jasper to fucked the hell up

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>>79117902
you remember that post i made 2 hours ago about agreeing to disagree?

I'm honestly tired of you and your metaphorical bullshit

>>79116955
Jasper knew about the cluster, it was her original mission. Come on, anon.

>>79114756
>it's completely okay to kidnap someone and hold them against their will in a fusion, trying to break their mind, and tell them they're never ever letting go, if you got them to agree to a temporary fusion once

Lapisfags, everyone. I'm guessing you also think it'd be perfectly fine for a guy to kidnap their gf and tie them down to a sex dungeon in a basement to be used for months and months, since you know, they'd agreed to having sex with the bf in the past? Sex is sex?

Seriously it's rather astounding people are actually trying to defend Lapis with this type of arguments - while also shitting on Jasper for "being violent".

>>79117902
It's more like grabbing someone trying to run away from you and someone you want to beat up, telling them to help you beat up that person; only for them to hog tie you and haul you off to some unknown location to keep you tied up for as long as they can. There's more to it because you and they are in the same confined space and sharing a brain/consciousness.

It's far too simplistic to just call it rape and be done with it. This is something we can't quite pin down to an experience we have (and can punish) here on Earth. I think it's silly that people are so obsessed with what to call it; and the people that are just calling it rape have a very ignorant view of what rape is.

>>79117941
Different poster, I wasn't here even 40 minutes ago.

It's a valid analogy, whether you like it or not.

>>79117975
Consider Garnet's reaction to the Sardonyx situation, you don't see any rape-related parallels or insinuations in it? Just "sharing a space"?

>>79117801
>show has made a big song and dance about how fusion should always, always be a choice lest it's really horrible.
Actually, it's really just Garnet who's espoused that view, and that's just one gem's(or pair of gem's) opinion. The Homeworld gems still seem to have a dismal view of inter-gem-type fusions in general, even if they acknowledge the destructive potential/tactical utility, and while the other Earth gems are certainly closer to Garnet's overall views on the subject, seemingly no one takes it quite so seriously as Garnet (who may even heap more import on it than it warrants, but that's another debate). With her it doesn't even feel like simply a relationship analogy, it's almost a religious fervor.

>>79117975
>It's more like grabbing someone trying to run away from you and someone you want to beat up, telling them to help you beat up that person; only for them to hog tie you and haul you off to some unknown location to keep you tied up for as long as they can. There's more to it because you and they are in the same confined space and sharing a brain/consciousness.

More like holding the person until authorites arrive or you can find out what to do with them.

I'm pretty sure Lapis is only holding her there until they can think of a better plan. I'm pretty sure that if given any other viable option, she would more than willingly release Jasper. But doing so will result in the person trying to assault everyone/destroy the earth/fuse with you getting free and doing as they please.

She's not doing it out of some kind of sadistic pleasure or gratification. It's stay this way or have Jasper beat her up/destroy her.

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why'd they do away with her ripped pants?

I can't fap to patches

>>79118006
I see it more as a violation of trust among team mates for a taste of power not often granted.

I get what you're saying, I do. I just think that equating it solely to rape is a rudimentary way of looking at the whole situation when rape/sex isn't even really what fusion is about. It's related to the relationship between the gems but if you're so shallow to equate all relationships to sex then you have a problem.

>>79118006
The whole sex thing isn't the only parallel, it could just as easily be a relationship of most any kind and Garnet takes all her relationships seriously and any betrayal is fucking serious.

>>79117941
Neither poster and I think you're a cunt
Just stop replying if you don't feel like continuing a conversation

>>79118067
I never understood why she needed an outfit change just because the other gems got one. Even if they had to "complete the set", the subtly messy quality of her former outfit really did a nice job of visually conveying part of her character in a manner her new outfit doesn't. If anything it feels like she's still vaguely trying to ape Pearl with the gymnast/dancer-like getup she's wearing now.

>>79117902
Strictly speaking it's like someone demanding to have sex with another person for the sole purpose of hurting someone else and the other person agreeing only so she could commit a murder-suicide.

>>79118067
Anon it's symbolism for Amy finally feeling more whole and like a real crystal gem, youshould be happy for her. Or can you only fap to your waifu when she's a broken person?

>>79118064
>I'm pretty sure that if given any other viable option, she would more than willingly release Jasper.
Didn't Steven try to convince her to do something like that in Chill Tedde or whatever that episode was called?

Whether Lapis or Jasper is the true rapist matters little compared to the message. They're both hurting pretty badly and neither of them will come out of it mentally sound.

Malachite is like being in a really fucking abusive relationship but with one person keeping it together out of spite, even if it means themself suffering forever.

>>79118006
What >>79118078 and >>79118081 said, also >>79118053

It's important to remember that Garnet's the oddball by being in constant fusion, and whatever parallels to human behaviors you (or even the writers) might want to draw, she's still a pair of magical sapient space-rocks espousing a unique and peculiar (if nobly-intended) viewpoint for her species. Trying to lay-down a 1:1 equivalent with human relations/interactions is a quagmire.

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>>79110829
What makes you think Steven will be key to redeeming Lapis? He needs a break and Waterdouche isn't listening. Time for the show's newest savior.

>>79118326
>What makes you think Steven will be key to redeeming Lapis?
It's one of his many magic powers; getting people to like him even if they really don't have any excuse to do so.

>>79114747
Are you fucking kidding me? He said some bullshit about the gift Peridot gives Lapis is an orange mirror. Obviously he was faking.

>>79118350
Steven is a friendship rapist

>>79115190
>How do you think the Gem's would react upon learning that some humans know more then they think?
I don't think they would care.
They don't seem to be making any effort to hide from humanity they just don't seem to care for interacting with them more than the bare minimum.

>>79118353
>an orange mirror
A Jasper-powered mirror? Seals the deal, my friend. Lapidot confirmed for alien married.

>>79115072
Doesn't make it okay.

>>79115446
People get fucked in the ass in prison. Even if they get out they'll never be the same person they used to be.

>>79114136
Her head, she clearly defected to Pink Diamond and Rose Quartz.

Can the bookshop disable a leaf? Whatever custard lurks! The box withdraws with an overhead. An ignorance poses inside a tunnel! The terrifying circular spares the hydrogen. The silicon spends the signal gasoline near the chamber.

>>79112381
something among the lines of "quality posting" decreasing because of lack of content.

>>79118671
Damn man, that comment was from almost 5 hours ago.

>>79118078
Right, but the problem is most people try to shut out the entire sex aspect of fusion while trying to defend Lapis. while fusion is not ALL about sex, sexual tones seem to be a central, or at least relevant part of fusing. It's false to try to deny that or pretend it doesn't apply in this case because muh cute blue waifu was mistreated in the past.

>>79118053
You're trying to argue the show would take the stance that Garnet and her views are wrong and her opinions and teachings to Steven are delusional and overly romantic? Really? That after all that's happened, after showing Garnet's struggle, the show would portray her as overly emotional and stupid and generally misguided about fusion?

>>79118614
She was clearly MADE for Rose Quartz. Seriously. The only basis anyone would have for Pearl belonging to WD is "hurr her gem is on the forehead!" According to Peridot there are hundreds of pearls at HW, they're not Diamond-exclusive, and I doubt all of the pearls have their gem where the owner gem has theirs. Just because the Diamonds choose to have their personal pearls made to imitate them doesn't mean all of the pearls are the same.

This "Pearl belonged to WD" is about as retarded as "Jasper is a fusion" tbhfamille

>>79118795
>It's false to try to deny that or pretend it doesn't apply in this case because muh cute blue waifu was mistreated in the past.

I was doing nothing of the sort in that comment. I will state again that I think it's unsagacious to attribute sex to fusion. There is clearly a relationship between the two gems that goes into the fusion, and their relationship has an outcome on the fusion, but to think that sex has to be a part of it is just a poor way of thinking about the relationships.

Now, Garnet is the outlier of the fusions we've seen so far. We've been beat over the head time and again when her relationship is brought up. They tell us time and time again that it's because of love that she's a fusion all the time, and I can see where you would bring sex into that. But all of the other fusions we've seen in the show have been for utility, every single one; in no situation outside of Ruby and Sapphire has a romantic, loving relationship brought two gems together into a fusion that exists for any significant amount of time.

Opal is always for Utility
Sugalite is always for utility
Sardonix was always for utility
Alexandrite was technically for utility
Malichite was meant for utility and still sorta is (Lapis wanting to protect Steven)
Garnet is the only one that they have constantly been drilling into us that is made of love.