Star Wars Rebels

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Orange

Unexpected

this is the second giantess themed thread in the past few weeks

dont shll your fetish fag

>>79087942
Don't shill your shit movie, Bob Iger.

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Which directors do you want to get a chance to direct a Anthology movie?

>>79088019
JJ Abrams has proven he can make an amazing Star Wars movie and he single-handedly revitalized a franchise that had been effectively killed by the prequels. I don't know why he's not directing all of the movies.

>>79088054
This better be a fucking joke.

>>79088054
>a franchise
>killed by the prequels

You keep telling yourself that.

>>79088085
He's probably trolling but there are an alarming number of people out there who sincerely believe this or something very close to it.

>>79088072
I really don't get your logic
I enjoyed both movies and I'm glad to see them both getting the recognition they deserve

>>79088072
In the Mad Max threads.

Oh wait, there aren't any.

>>79088097
People keep trying to push this imaginary rivalry between the two movies

>>79088125
Probably someone with an sjw agenda.

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>>79088109
Someone should fix that with some Mad Max storytimes.

>>79088125
It was pretty real do a while here when the Star Wars people were still on honeymoon, insisting that TFA was the greatest thing ever made and heavily shit on Mad Max.

So are we actually talking about rebels again? Cause I don't know how I feel about season 2s trailer. I'm hyped but scared cause so far rebels has been a shit storm of mediocrity.

Good thread so far.

>>79088218
>So are we actually talking about rebels again?

We don't have to. We barely did even when it was in season.

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>>79088198
If that's what you want to think

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>>79088218
>mediocrity

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>>79088125
Think it's just one guy.

>>79088109
Ooooooh!

>>79088218
I am excited for the Trailer, I'm surprised we're getting TFA lore so soon, I'm glad Filoni is jumping on it. But I also am expecting a lot of it to be visions, and people in this thread my end up disappointed if I am right.

>>79088019
George Miller.

>>79088366
Fuck off SoundtrackAnon

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48dGX8zmK4I

>>79088419
>2014

Fuck, a year already passed?

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>>79088195
>le epic Fury Road is sjw propaganda meme

You sure you're not suppose to be on /tv/?

>>79088390
Yeah.
I wish he had done the prequels. Whatever Lucas was "going for" happened to be made of missed potential.
Also another George in SW, perfect.

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>>79088464
Oh my god, imagine a Miller and Lucas co-production.

A George and George film.

>>79088408
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

>>79088366
Been meaning to ask you cAnon, what program do you use to make the timeline/guide? Is it paint or gimp or something similar? I'm working on creating a recommendation chart for some friends.

>>79088507
MS Paint, painstakingly.

And speaking of recommendation chart, I was actually thinking about doing some polls to make a /co/ recommendation Guide.

If people would be interested in such a guide, I can get on that now, it wouldn't be hard to do at all.

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>>79088491
Have a different George

>>79088548
boooo

>>79088548
>>79088556
I don't think wrongGeorge would work well with Disney's yearly movie schedule.

>>79088547
Alright cool, thanks.

I'd certainly be down for a chart like that. In fact the chart I'm working on is about cartoons, funnily enough.

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>>79088548

>>79088054
I wish he were doing Episode 8 and 9 and have Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow do anthology films. He's easily the best director out there today. The Han Solo anthology needs to be cancelled though, nothing even close to good can ever come of a movie about that character played by someone else.

>>79088651
>He's easily the best director out there today.

Out of curiosity, what are some of your personal favorite directors?

>>79088651
Trying way too hard.

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>>79088651
>He's easily the best director out there today.

Come on, this is some lazy trolling.

>>79088491
What's going on in that pic? Saint Walker/Captain Kirk?

>>79088670
Please don't fall for it.

>>79088548
Imagine if Star Wars started off as a book series and the movies came way later and TFA movie came out before the book did

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>>79088651

>>79088714
There was a Star Trek and Lantern Corps crossover comic last year. Hell if I know why.

>>79088714
Crossover. Funny how no ring of any color even considered choosing Kirk.

>>79088019
Lucas and Filoni are both terrible directors. Lucas directed the prequels and Filoni directed that shitty Clone Wars movie that has a worse rating than the Holiday Special.

I would like to see George Miller or Quentin Tarrantino direct a Star Wars movie.
Also, I always wanted to see a Star Wars movie directed by Spielberg, but JJ's style is very similar anyway, so I guess we already got that one.

>>79088727
>tfw no George Miller directed Republic/Imperial Commando film about a squad trapped on a planet filled with primitives and not-Predator/Xenomorphs

>>79088764
>Quentin Tarrantino
His style doesn't fit Star Wars at all

>>79088054
>JJ Abrams has proven he can make an amazing Star Wars movie and he single-handedly revitalized a franchise that had been effectively killed by the prequels.

This. Everyone who disagrees is just a deluded fanboy.

>>79088764
>JJ's style is very similar anyway

He literally copies Spielberg every chance he gets.

>>79088764
Tarantino would be awful for Star Wars and he thoroughly hates it anyway.

>>79088764
>treating the TCW movie as proof of anyones capability to direct
That was George just being retarded and thinking that TCW deserved a cinematic debut and he picked the worst arc for it.

>Quentin Tarrantino
Hello Reddit!
Tarrantino's style does not fit Star Wars.
Unless you did a Mace Windu prequel maybe

>>79088764
>Quentin Tarrantino direct a Star Wars movie

So the BIG BLACK DINGUS scene with Mace Windu?

>>79088786
>>79088054
>>79088651
Samefag

>>79088087
He is right though. No one cared about Star Wars after the prequels. It became a niche franchise. Now, everyone's talking about Star Wars again.

>>79088764
>Filoni directed that shitty Clone Wars movie
Those were just shitty Season 1 episodes that Lucas wanted to be a movie because it happened to be Ahsoka's introductory Arc. Unfair to judge Filoni on that.

Not that I am saying he should do live action. But I think he should direct Animated movies for sure, and depending on those, MAYBE give him a shot at an Anthology movie. He clearly gets Star Wars on a very deep level.

As for George, I dunno', maybe he'd be better as a producer, but not a Director I agree. George is better for ideas, and then letting other people bring them to life. Filoni would gladly bring any of George's ideas to life, so they make a good team (as evident in TCW)

>>79088651

>JJ
>best director

I love JJ and even I know you're trolling.

He's sure as shit a better director then Trevorrow though. Hopefully he pulls a Trank at some point and gets booted off the project, Jurassic World was a flatly-directed mediocrity.

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>>79088087
>>79088096
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>>79088819
Fuck off with this garbage shitposting, you have awful taste and you're killing the thread.

>>79088782
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>>79088815
The anthology movies are supposed to be different.

>>79088764
Lucas is solid technical director, it's the writing that he's terrible at. I never wanted him to give up the director's chair, just let someone else handle the screenwriting.

>>79088096
>He's probably trolling but there are an alarming number of people out there who sincerely believe this or something very close to it.

This. JJ Abrams is a director with no style or vision of his own, and it results in some very mediocre work.

>>79088797
Basically. He wants desperately to be Spielberg but doesn't actually understand how Spielberg's style works, so he just imitates it but it never really clicks. He'll use techniques because Spielberg did but never actually understands why he used them or what they're meant to do.

>>79088826
Star Wars fans cared about Star Wars. They watched the movies, and the cartoons, read the books, and comics, played the games, which at least until '08 were of good quality.

The mainstream audience cares about Star Wars again, that's all. They're the TBBT audience, with short attention spans. Why do you think they're doing annual movies now? Because Marvel/Disney realized from the MCU that it was the only way to keep the interest of the mainstream audience.

Marvel fans would go and see the movies no matter how long they had to wait.

Now they're taking the same approach with Star Wars. THAT'S why the mainstream suddenly cares, and will continue to care about Star Wars.

>>79088890
And he's not even a bad story writer. His dialogue is pretty bad. And he doesn't really direct his actors. That's why Episode 4 is all over the place in acting.

But American Graffiti is amazing. Everyone always forgets that was him.

>>79088938
If you can't write dialogue, then you can't write. Period.

>>79088938
>And he's not even a bad story writer. His dialogue is pretty bad. And he doesn't really direct his actors. That's why Episode 4 is all over the place in acting.

Point taken.

>>79088890

>Lucas is solid technical director, it's the writing that he's terrible at.

The prequels are some of the ugliest movies I've ever seen in my life. Like Battlefield Earth ugly.

There's a couple nice moments in Phantom Menace and that's it for the whole trilogy.

>>79088910

>JJ
>no style of his own

I really don't know where this comes from. Just because he's inspired by Spielberg doesn't mean this invalidates his own style.

>>79088929
Don't reply to people who insist their made up narrative is fact.

Star Wars was never "killed" by the prequels.

>>79088951
It's not as simple as that.

Man this thread is off to a good start

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>>79088890
He can't direct actors at all. And he doesn't know how to develop characters or create excitement in non-action scenes where characters talk to each other. Just look how boring the conversations in the prequels (and in ROTJ to a certain degree) were shot and compare it to Empire or Awakens where every shot had someting interesting to offer.

>>79088938
>That's why Episode 4 is all over the place in acting.
6 is worse though. Hamill was great, but my god Harrison and Fisher were all over the place in 6. Legit the worst acting of any of the movies.

Never understood why they get a pass, but people shit on Hayden non stop. Hayden never got as bad as Ford/Fisher in 6 imo.

And I know those two are capable of acting too, because they were 11/10 in 5. I don't know what the fuck happened. I can only assume Fisher was too far gone on coke, and Ford just didn't want to be there.

>>79088954
>The prequels are some of the ugliest movies I've ever seen in my life. Like Battlefield Earth ugly.

I can only assume you haven't watched that many movies then. The CGI may not have aged well, but the visual design is still top-notch.

>>79088910
That's objectively wrong you meme spouting faggot. Just watch the opening sequence on Jakku and even a retard like you will hopefully realize how different it is to everything we've ever seen in Star Wars before.

>>79088954
The prequels aren't at all ugly, but the over reliance on CG and green screens makes shot composition essentially impossible to pull off in many instances. And he tried a bunch of ideas to stylize scenes that didn't come together properly. But look at the scenery on Naboo in TPM and AotC, or the scene of Anakin riding the speeder bike across Tatooine at sunset when looking for Shmi, or the scene where he marries Padme, etc. There are a ton of visually interesting locales and well done shots. Just perhaps none as iconic as the Binary Sunset in ANH.

>>79088054
>he single-handedly revitalized

More like single-handedly killed it. I personally know about four people who are not going to watch the next episode on the big screen, because they either thought TFA was shit or only considered it good as an unintentional comedy. And while the wave of bought reviews still is high, not one positive review is rated high by users on IMDB.

>No one cared about Star Wars after the prequels.

Except all those people who bought tickets and merch.

>Now, everyone's talking about Star Wars again.

Negative PR is not always good PR. TFA is the Matrix Reloaded of Star Wars. It pulled good money on the virtue of its precedessors' reputation and its marketing campaign, but it killed reputation of the franchise.

>>79088991

> but the visual design is still top-notch

Which is undercut by the direction. Lucas never lets the camera breathe at the moments it should be still but for some insane reason plants his camera down in every dialogue scene like it's fucking 12 Angry Men.

>>79088971
No, it absolutely is. It's literally creative writing 101. Without it, you're just a technical writer doing scientific reports, not a storyteller.

Ahsoka will escape Vader, severely injured, but still alive.
She will find Ezra after words and they will start making plans to escape
He then stabs her in the back and Old Master steps out to congratulate his new apprentice

>>79088459

They both are SJW propaganda. Like, do you not even believe their own creators' words? The difference is, Mad Max is also a good enough movie you can ignore this.

>>79089017
Are you really this delusional or is this just bait? You think five oscar nominations, 93% on RT and overwhelmingly positive reviews are "not good PR" or "killed the reputation of the franchise"? If anything, it did the exact opposite after the prequels killed Star Wars.

>>79089054
That would be...

Wow.

>>79089017
>TFA killed the reputation of the franchise

The shit you people say

>>79089017
>but it killed reputation of the franchise.

Nothing could wound Star Wars harder than Ewoks or Jar Jar did.

>>79089077
Search your feelings
You know it to be ture

>>79089017
This is the single most retarded, incorrect, out of touch, and delusional post I've ever seen. Holy hell.

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>>79089054
You can't stall the Maul, he will never fall.

>opinions

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>years ago
>buy new game called jedi power battles
>get to choose which jedi to play as
>there's this awesome looking guy called Plo Koon with a yellow lightsaber
>I immediately fall in love with him and he becomes my favorite jedi
>Get happy any time I see him in the movies
>I legit cried in the theater when when he was shot down during order 66 (I was only 11)

At least he got to be based in the cartoon

RIP Plo Koon you glorious bastard.

>>79089017
TFA certainly un-hyped me for any further Star Wars, but I seem to be an outlier.

>>79089054
I'm ok with this

>>79089118
I'm with you. After TFA I'm not confident in this new trilogy. Rogue One still seems to be the most interesting premise, but I'll wait and see how it turns out. I like the idea of a Black Hawk Down in Star Wars.

>>79088987
Fisher and Ford did good work in 4 and 5, that's why they get the pass
Hayden opened with mediocre acting married to a bad script, it was never going to go down well with people
>>79088991
I'll give the prequels this, Lucas made the right call with the idea that CGI was the next big thing in special effects, and a lot was learned from the prequels
It's just a shame that because of how well they used CGI it aged badly

>>79089017
>but it killed reputation of the franchise.

Top kek. This is just hilarious. Never change /swr/.

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>>79088991
SHUT UP! They're ugly because they're the prequels!

I should know! I took a film studies class at community college and dropped it after two weeks!

>>79089114
Plo Koon was my favorite background Jedi/alien in the prequels as well. I loved his action figure. Cool as fuck. Wish he had more fight scenes in TCW.

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If Maul found you and said you have great power,would you become his apprentice?

>>79089118
>but I seem to be an outlier

Not at all. I have very little interest in new Star Wars movies now.

>>79089118
You are not alone.

>>79089005
That entire opening sequence was a love letter to Miyazaki movies. I don't find it a problem, but seriously, the whole thing felt like it was a forest and some bugs away from being a live action Nausicaa

>>79089017
Make that five. I don't like the direction the story took. Never mind the rehashing and the Mary Sue stuff, fucking Kylo makes no sense and I'm pissed people are sucking his cock.

>>79089159
You seem upset.

>>79089154
The CGI in Episode 1 doesn't look very good, but by Episode 3 they had it figured out.

>>79089173
>Mary Sue stuff

Stopped reading there.

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>>79089171
>this pure fucking underage cancer

>>79089070
>the exact opposite after the prequels killed

This is just a fact. Oscar nominations don't mean shit. Critics are bought en masse to give reviews in the style "unimaginative rip-off riding solely on nostalgia appeal... 8/10!".

>"killed the reputation of the franchise"?

Quite possibly killed the entire franchise, in fact. But that mostly depends on how cheap they can make the following movies. MCU somehow shambles forward despite only occasionally having non-shit installments, after all.

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>>79089154
>I'll give the prequels this, Lucas made the right call with the idea that CGI was the next big thing in special effects

Especially since he started and owned the biggest and best special effects company in Hollywood.

>>79089118
I'm more interested in where Rebels is headed than I am in the rest of the new trilogy. It's not that TFA was a bad movie, it just... felt like it was just going backwards. It doesn't feel like the story has any real direction.

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>>79089171
There are 7 billion people on this planet; I know that more than a few people will agree with me. But all I have to do is look at the box office number to know that we are significantly in the minority.

>>79089190
Calm your tits, son.

>>79089190
>People don't like what I like and it scares me.

>>79089168
How likely is he to kill me if I don't do well?

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Who's your favorite Knight of Ren? Mine are Gunarm, The Cleaver, and Mando Man.

>>79089182
Exactly, 6 years later and they'd cracked it. And as much as Jar Jar sucked, he proved mo-cap characters could work in movies
It's just that there too many scenes of indulgent CGI, like the entire ending sequence of AoTC, where you were just fling into a battle scene with no sense of being grounded or with any characters to focus on

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>>79089198
>felt like it was just going backwards.

But you have to go backward before you can go forward!

Ain't I a poet?

>>79089205
Aside from Kylo, the one with the staff in back.

>>79089173
>Kylo makes no sense
What's so confusing about him?

>>79089190
>MOM! They're disagreeing with me on the internet!

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>>79089205
This /fa/bulous looking motherfucker, the dude with the cross hatched mask just over Ren's shoulder

>>79089198
Because you're an idiot. TFA was the start of a new trilogy. Of course they were trying to set up the new characters similarly to ANH since ANH was such a major success. What exactly did you expect?

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>>79089205
They look more like the Knights of EDGE

>>79089194
I didn't remember it looking this awful. Lucas really is the biggest hack ever.

>>79089205
The dude with the fucking Final Fantasy cricket bat.

>>79089229
That coat reminds me of the ridiculous coats in the game Watch Dogs.

>>79089096
>Nothing could wound Star Wars harder than Ewoks or Jar Jar did.

Putting Jar Jar into the director seat certainly did.

>>79089118
>TFA certainly un-hyped me for any further Star Wars, but I seem to be an outlier.

Again, judging by the fact that not a single positive review of TFA is rated highly by users on imdb, you are the norm. Outliers who genuinely like TFA are simply backed by a massive marketing machine.

>>79089250
>Lucas single handedly created all of the VFX shots in the prequels.

>>79089230
>What exactly did you expect?

For them to make a new movie with a new story set in Star Wars. You know, do something good.

>>79089205
They're all probably off LARPing somewhere. They won't let Kylo join them because ever since he got himself a real working lightsaber he's been acting like king big shit and nobody wants to play with him anymore.

>>79089017
>I didn't like the new movie so I guess everyone hates it too

>>79089250
In 2005, it looked pretty good.

>>79089258
>users on imdb

Jesus Christ, next you're going to use the fucking user reviews on metacritic as proof

>>79089230
>What exactly did you expect?
For the movie to have a sense of identity beyond just aping its predecessors? Even its story feels like it's just doing the exact same thing. That's why it doesn't have a clear sense of direction.

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Give me a single reason why you tree-hugging Jedi apologists don't support your lawfully-elected Galactic Emperor, Sheev Palpatine.

>>79089230
>What exactly did you expect?

Not that guy, but I guess more effort. Take Kylo Ren for example: he's supposed to be some intimidating bad guy in the vein of Darth Vader. But it seems like whoever was writing the script didn't ask themselves "how do I make a menacing antagonist?", they just took the lazy route and asked "how do I make Darth Vader, but not Darth Vader?"

And the whole film suffers for it. They took ANH and tried to duplicate its elements at the most superficial level.

>>79089266
But it was good, imo. Again, how would you write a "new story" while establishing likable new characters AND using the old characters again AND make them all useful and interesting again.

>>79089230
I know right? Why should people expect innovation in sequels? I mean, it works for Call of Duty.

>>79089294
One time, while I was on the Junior Senatorial Weekend Retreat on Naboo... S-Senator Palpatine called me into his office and... h-he touched me. It wasn't a good touch either.

I'm sorry, this is really hard for me...

>>79089299
>he's supposed to be some intimidating bad guy

wew

>>79089258
>Again, judging by the fact that not a single positive review of TFA is rated highly by users on imdb, you are the norm. Outliers who genuinely like TFA are simply backed by a massive marketing machine.

I had a conversation with a random gentleman in a bar who thought TFA was amazing. When I asked him what he liked about it, he couldn't really explain anything other than "Well, it's Star Wars." And then he realized after talking that that isn't really a reason to like something and that it lacks substance. By the time I left, he agreed that maybe TFA is probably not that great a movie.

It's the kind of film that you think it's good if you actually never give any thought about why you think it's good.

>>79089287
>user reviews on metacritic

Vastly more useful than critic reviews, with a few specific exceptions, so, your point is?

>>79089281
No, it didn't.

>>79089255
Really? I think its a bit more 'future poncho' myself, but there is a similarity now you mention it
>>79089261
He oversaw them, looked at that shot and decided it was OK. I get that weight is hard to convey with CGI but that shot is pretty bad

>>79089320
>Vastly more useful than critic reviews

Please. Metacritic user reviews are all 10/10 BEST EVER or 0/10 FUCKING SHIT, by accounts made just to review that one thing and never used for anything again.

>>79089302
>Again, how would you write a "new story" while establishing likable new characters AND using the old characters again AND make them all useful and interesting again.


Gee, I don't fucking know. That sounds like an impossible task that no one has ever done before.

Writing an ORIGINAL story with likable characters? Has anyone ever done this successfully?

>>79089299
>he's supposed to be some intimidating bad guy in the vein of Darth Vader.

No, he isn't. You just didn't understand the point of his character at all. He tries to be a menacing badass when he actually is a vulnerable person who acts like a human being and not like Vader at all. No wonder, you people hate this movie when you don't even understand it.

>>79089299
You're an idiot, they didn't write him as anything like Vader. He's sarcastic, openly vulnerable, is prone to outbursts of rage, unstable, not an indiscriminate murderer like Vader, etc. Did you even watch the film? I don't think so, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>79089302
>But it was good, imo.

And it wasn't good, in the opinion of people with brains who aren't paid shills or nostalgia blinded manchildren.

>>79089337
>Writing an ORIGINAL story with likable characters? Has anyone ever done this successfully?

No. There is no "original" story.

>>79089299
>how do I make Darth Vader, but not Darth Vader?
Except he's really not, and that's a point the movie itself explicitly makes. You want Vader knock offs, go read through the EU
If anything, the movie highlights those who'd attempt to just straight copy Vader by moving "let's try and be Vader" from the character design to his underlying motivation
>>79089320
Funny thing, literally every person I've spoken to outside of these threads about the film enjoyed it. Maybe not the greatest thing ever, perhaps taking too many plot points from ANH, but still a good entertaining Star Wars film that recaptured what made the originals so good

>>79089350
Says the retard who defends the prequels. Fuck off.

>>79089343
>>79089349
That's the point, lads. They tried to make him Darth Vader while simultaneously being an insecure fuckup, and it failed miserably because it undermines the main antagonist.

He's the product of someone unable to write a consistent and coherent character.

>>79089225
He's poorly written. It's not because he's whiny and immature, though that doesn't help. His Vader idolization and fall into darkness is barely explained, and any conviction that he's doing the right thing would dissolve with one visit from Anakin's Force ghost. He claims to have internal conflict but shows none. He only has one scene with Han so it feels meaningless on his end when he kills him. Trust me, people felt the feels for Han and their childhood dying, not for him.

>>79089319
No you didn't autist.

>>79089299
>being this stupid

>>79089362
The only person I know who enjoyed TFA is literally one of the dumbest people I know.

>>79089362
>recaptured what made the originals so good

I'd say it was intentionally manufactured to invoke nostalgia in all the die-hard OT fans.

I wasn't as enamoured with it as many seem to be. I'm hoping that despite all the safe, boring, board-approved choices JJ made when directing, the story as it unfolds in VIII and IX will turn this new trilogy into something worthwhile.

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>it's a 'we have to go back to lothal' episode

>>79089371
>and it failed miserably because it undermines the main antagonist.

No it doesn't. It makes Kylo an interesting character and not just Vader/Maul 2.0. Ironically, it's mostly the people who call this movie a rehash that desperately wanted a rehashed villain.

>>79089382
Funny, the only person I know who hated TFA is literally one of the dumbest people I know.

>>79089371
A character in film for kids went over your head. You should be absolutely embarrassed. Just leave. They wrote an actual character with depth and flaws and it's fantastic. He's not even the villain you total retard, he's as much a main protagonist as Rey and Finn.

>one movie YOU think is bad
>has a major camp of fans in the SW community
>brought the saga back from hiatus to record-breaking numbers
>praise and critical acclaim all over from the critics
>normies love it, think it's a first good Star Wars movie in thirty years
>new Star Wars movie every fucking year

STAR WARS IS DEAD, RUINED FOREVER

Come the fuck on. It's one thing to not like a movie, that's fine, but another to be that delusional to say that it "killed" the franchise worse than any prequels did (which didn't kill the franchise either, for that matter).

>>79089375
>He claims to have internal conflict but shows none.

By which I mean the "drawn to the light side" shit, which there was no evidence. Show don't tell. He was plenty insecure about not being Vader. You can have someone pure evil but still insecure. But don't claim he's grey when he's not.

>>79089400
Funny, you 're pretty dumb yourself.

>>79089337
Kek. I bet you think the OT and the PT are "original stories".

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>>79089399
>It makes Kylo an interesting character

>>79089425
Funny, so are you.

>>79089409
>protagonist

You sound like a Man of Steel fan bending over backwards.

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>>79089397
>it's a 'we have to backward to go forward' film

>>79089375
>His Vader idolization and fall into darkness is barely explained
Well shit anon, its almost like there's two whole movies in the pipeline to explain exactly why he fell to Darkness, and what exactly he's doing
And its not like Force ghosts last forever, who are any good at turning up when you actually need them. Hell, even when they do turn up they tend towards the infuriatingly cryptic
>>79089393
That I won't deny, the fact the art book is littered with far cooler TIE designs than what we ended up with is proof they wanted a classic look, at least for the first movie
>>79089397
>Tarkin just wants to be back on his Star Destroyer so he can wear his slippers in peace

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>>79089425
>>79089432
You two gonna fug or not?

>>79089409
He was flawed, but flat. His entire character about is being flawed, but he was just evil.

>>79089454
Funny

>>79089426
At least they're not rehashes of existing Star Wars movies

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>TFA Defense Force getting so buttblasted, they have to start slinging insults

>>79089459
*is about

>>79089422
He's not grey, he's just intentionally trying to be dark and not quite getting there
Look at him in the final fight, a proper villain would be ecstatic he'd finally killed his dad and cemented his fall, Kylo is just angry and confused
>>79089428
Damn sight more interesting than just a Vader knock off who stands there breathing heavily and choking people who give him bad news

>>79089460
Hilarious.

>>79089426
They aren't rip offs of other films in their own fucking series.

>>79089459
He's not evil though. He never killed any of his own men like Vader always did. It's plain as day, doesn't get more obvious.

>>79089470
>Disney hate force is reduced to shitty reaction images
Come on, just admit you don't like because its the Mouse who made it

>>79089422
They did show his inner light side. You were just too stupid to notice it.
He didn't kill Finn although he knew that Finn didn't follow his orders. He showed Rey his face when she called him a masked creature. He only killed Han when Han "allowed" him to kill him and he was emotionally disturbed afterwards. He didn't even kill his own officers when he was pissed.
It's not far fetched to say that Kylo isn't as evil as he pretends to be.

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>>79089454


IT'S IRONIC..

>>79089502
>He only killed Han when Han "allowed" him to kill him

I think we're past the point of no return, gents. It's been an honor.

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>>79089509
Oh man, that face
That lightsaber already looks a little too much like a dildo for me to comfortable, I did not need that face associated with it

>>79089500
I don't like it because it was made with no thought or soul put into it.

>>79089522
He's got a matching set. Guess where the other one is.

>>79089371
There is still a possibility of Kylo being the only young Skywalker in the ST. You know how they are, right?

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>>79089522
Is Sheev even into having sex in general?

My biggest gripe with TFA is that Han's death felt pretty unemotional to me.

I mean it had everyone acting all upset and Chewie freaking out, but other than that it didn't really hit me as hard as I feel it should have.

>>79089491
Are you fucking stupid? There is literally a meme about the "poetry" in Star Wars. The Phantom Menace has the same plot beats as ANH and TFA, but you don't notice it because there is no fun or excitement in TPM while there is in both ANH and TFA.

>>79089502
Pretty sure Han is the one who activated the Lightsaber to be honest. The way he was holding it in that scene coupled with him saying he'd do anything. He saw how badly his son needed his help so in true Han Solo fashion he took a gamble and made the choice that he thought had the most potential to redeem Ben in the long run.

>>79089502
There are different styles of evil but that doesn't make them grey until they do actual good, merciful or compassionate things like perhaps sparing prisoners from harm.

He kills a defenseless old man in his first appearance, mind-rapes prisoners and still chokes his own men.

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>>79089548

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-7ybCze-Cg

What do you think?

>>79089556
>>79089502
Han is a great guy and all, but I personally don't think he wanted to die in that way. I mean fuck, he didn't look like he expected that shit when I saw the movie.

You know who was a real humanized villain with flaws? Thrawn.

>>79089553
Because you knew it was going to happen. Ford always wanted Han to die and Kasdan wanted to kill him off in ROTJ. His death was pretty obvious from Leia's dialogue too, but wasn't set up to be shocking anyway. It literally happened on a bridge in the third act of the movie while both Rey and Finn were watching.

>>79089580
I expected Kylo to stab him with the crossguard.

>>79089553
Because his and Kylo's relationship wasn't developed for people to care about it. They cared about Han.

I mean the same could be said for Vader and Kenobi, but Kylo and Snoke act like it's a big deal for him because it's family. Vader and Kenobi were only student and teacher.

>>79089583
Look, I loved the Thrawn trilogy too, but the window to make that film closed before that book was even published
And let's face it, if they do bring him in for Ep 8, people will just moan anyway
>>79089591
The moment he stepped on that bridge, I knew he was going off it. And looking at Han's face, I think he knew it too

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>>79089553
It doesn't help that he looks less like he's just been killed by his own son and more like he just got on the bus and realizes he left his bus pass at home.

>>79089583

Meh. I like Thrawn, but the fans wank over him too much. He's the Dr. Doom of the EU.

>>79089553

I knew it was coming but I thought the little scene with Han and Ben was great.

>I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it

Driver was on fire the entire movie, the whole new cast was.

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>>79089583
>Thrawn
>flaws

Yeah, right.

>>79089618
Never thought I'd see the day when Shia LaBeouf plays a better son character to Ford.

>>79089612
>Vader and Kenobi were only student and teacher.
Plus with them it wasn't meant to be some shocking act. We know Vader turned to evil and now he wants Obi-Wan dead. The movie never pretends that this is anything more than the Evil Villain fighting the Old Mentor.

>>79089629
He was a wet blanket.

>>79089629
Adam Driver is my new favorite actor now. I'll never watch that trash Girls, but I look forward to other future roles he does because he is really talented.

>>79089644
Obviously this anon is exaggerating, but he's still striking pretty close to the truth.

>>79089629
>Driver was on fire the entire movie
I don't get why people are so in love with him, his acting was Hayden-tier.

>>79089629
>I knew it was coming but I thought the little scene with Han and Ben was great.

This. Driver's acting was terrific. He even managed to make the murderer of Han fucking Solo sympathetic.

>>79089653
>Plus with them it wasn't meant to be some shocking act.

Well it sort of was if you expected Obi-Wan to live. He was going to until Sir Alec and/or George thought otherwise. His death flag wasn't triggered until "if you strike me down".

>>79089641
Woah. Post more if you got em.

>>79089682
Is this bait?

>>79089683
People wanted his blood in my theater.

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>>79089682

>>79089682
>his acting was Hayden-tier.

Whoa not, let's not say things we can't take back. He wasn't great, but his performance was Oscar-worthy compared to Hayden Christensen.

>>79089699
Nah, probably just shit taste.

>>79089699
What's bait is pretending Kylo Ren is a well-written character

>>79089666

>Satan approves

Watch Inside Llewellyn Davis. Kylo and Poe song folk music together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aq4a7g_wdU

>>79089682

Because the character was actually written as a whiny, insecure manchild, not the hero of the fucking Republic.

And Driver wasn't doing a James Dean impression the entire movie.

>>79089699
No, I seriously don't get why everyone is saying his performance was amazing.

>>79089727
It's just people still mad at Christensen and tumblr being hormonal for bad boys

>>79089682
Having just rewatched AotC for the first time in 7 years yesterday, I actually found Hayden's acting to be better than I remembered and once thought. Not sure why. At any rate, here's your (you), Adam Driver put in a great performance and you're just baiting.

>>79089727
The acting wasn't stellar but was definitely better than any other SW movie.

>>79089711
>He wasn't great
Except he fucking was? The fact that Driver wasn't nominated for an Oscar is a fucking travesty.

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>>79089692
Sure!

>>79089641
This is for Heir to the Jedi btw

>>79089750
That's no post, that's a bait station.

>>79089745
>I actually found Hayden's acting to be better than I remembered and once thought
Hayden's problem wasn't so much that his acting was outright bad, but just really wooden and a lot of the dialogue he's given is hard to work with. He has some decent scenes, but they get overshadowed by the ones where it just isn't working.

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>>79089766
Heir to the Empire

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>>79089750
>The fact that Driver wasn't nominated for an Oscar is a fucking travesty.

>>79089750

I thought Driver was great and I still think you're nuts. This is a great year for Best Supporting.

>Mark Rylance
>Mark Ruffalo
>Christian Bale
>Sly Stallone
>Tom Hardy

I wouldn't replace any of them.

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>>79087889
>Giantess edition
>Not Chuck "Based giantess of literature" Wendig Edition

>>79089834
I'd rather not imagine Wendig fapping thank you

>>79089750
I wouldn't go that far, he was great, but Star Wars doesn't need Oscar's anyway. I would not be surprised if he wins one someday for something else though, he's good and throws himself into roles fully which is what it takes.

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>>79089782
Crucible

>>79089834
Can we all agree that he's already worse than Karen Traviss was? For all the countless travesties she committed against Star Wars and literature, at least she could sort of write and didn't literally come from Tumblr to obsess over gays.

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>>79089872
A New Dawn

>>79089612
>>79089653
Here's a thing, after watching the prequels first, people really think that meeting was weak as fuck.

>>79089583
are you trying to be funny

the closest thrawn ever got to being a real character was in the prequel books and that was because zahn had like twenty years of experience by then

i swear to god people who jerk it to the TT just don't know how great Outbound Flight is

>>79089902
>Can we all agree that he's already worse than Karen Traviss was
In terms of impact and damage to the franchise? Not even close.

In terms of being a loud cunt that can't handle criticism and throws a fit if you don't like what they're slinging? Yeah, he's worse than Traviss.

>>79089727
His delivery was just perfect. Kylo can be sarcastic, sadistic, pissed, sad, desperate and brutal and Driver showed us the different sides and emotional states of his character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbYSVCV_xM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF2uSMunlj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCpHhuvuEfw

>>79089929
>after watching the prequels first

Then it's their fault for doing Star Wars about as wrong as is possible.

>>79089929
>watching the prequels
The prequels are not to be watched. Ever. We do not discuss the prequels here.

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Dark Force Rising

>>79089909
Oh cool I didn't have that one in full, just the cropped version for the actual cover. Was actually about to post it myself

>>79089902
Nah, Traviss is far worse than him. He's just not a good writer. He doesn't stoop as low as to call fans Nazis.

>>79089971
Talifans, anon. Talifans.

>>79089949
>In terms of being a loud cunt that can't handle criticism and throws a fit if you don't like what they're slinging? Yeah, he's worse than Traviss.
To be fair, so far Wendig is only bitching about fans who didn't like his book. Traviss was known to bitch about not only them, but anyone who liked Jedi at all.

>>79089971
>He doesn't stoop as low as to call fans Nazis
Wrong, he seriously already did that within a week of Aftermath's release. He said everyone criticising his book were gay bashing bigots that are worse than Hitler and the Empire despite the fact that everyone was shitting on him for not knowing how to write.

>>79089902
It's too early to call. He's only had one book, we know he's lined up to do more but we don't know what they'll be like. Sure, it's a given they'll probably be terrible but Aftermath, for all its shittiness, didn't have a huge impact on the universe.

Though I guess if you're the kind of person who's hung up on what tumblr is saying that would probably factor into whether you think he's worse than Traviss.

>>79089988
Yet. He's going to go off the deep end when everyone calls him out for Life Debt being shit just like Aftermath (because there's no point in even pretending like it won't be). He couldn't handle it the first time, it'll be even worse when it happens again. And hopefully, if we're lucky, the book won't sell and he'll embarass Disney too much in his tirades to keep his job.

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>>79090012

>He said everyone criticising his book were gay bashing bigots that are worse than Hitler and the Empire

What absolute pigshit.

Wendig wasn't even breaking any ground, my absolute favorite EU series introduced a gay main character eventually and that was in a KID'S series for Scholastic.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ferus_Olin

And he was allowed to be a bit of a dick sometimes, he wasn't a saint despite clearly being Jude Watson's husbando.

>>79090012
No he didn't. He listed a variety of reasons, and only listed gay stuff at the end, "if you're upset about it". He never said they were worse than Hitler.

He's nowhere close to the absolute shitfit Traviss threw in 2009 online when TCW began contradicting her precious, fanfic-tier Mandalorian culture. She was fired because of it, though if you ask her she'll say she valiantly quit.

Wendig didn't exactly handle criticism the best, but he didn't literally call fans of the Jedi Nazis and throw a shitfit on the level of Traviss. Only time will tell if he can get anywhere close to her level.

>>79090109
>several consecutive plots about how Anakin Skywalker was a dick and Ferus was a much nicer guy

Really?

>>79090178

They were both dicks, that was part of the whole point. They were angsty teenagers throwing shitfits at each other.

>>79090210
>multiple instances where Anakin was a giant jerk who might get people killed via maliciousness

yeah sure

>>79090155
No, he did. He made multiple blogposts and a whole bunch of tweets just going off on people calling his book shit and decided to use the gay characters as a shield from it by calling everyone hateful bigots despite the fact that it was almost universally just people talking about the quality of his writing. I know because I read all of them and it was hilarious. Far more entertaining than his garbage book at any rate, although it's a crime that he was allowed to get away with treating people that way. Karen Traviss was a cancer, but this guy is well on his way to being the second coming of her.

>>79088054
3 > 1 > 7 > 2

>>79088019
Finchers robot slave movie.

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>>79089294
Because he was replaced by Snooki.

>>79089641
Holy wow she look just like i thought she would

>>79090343
>3 > 1 > 7 > 2
Fuck you

>>79090268
I wouldn't even care about this Chuck guy, but you fuckers keep bringing him up. Until he makes something horrid like the Mandos or Vong, he's a nobody.

But hey, let's get mad over nothing! I just love the internet!

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>>79090406
Here's a better picture of her.

>>79090408
Do you disagree?

>>79090210
>He excelled at everything he tried, causing everyone to admire him and want to be like him, and there was not a single person at the Jedi Temple who did not speak his name without praise, the only exception being Anakin Skywalker.

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>>79090424

does anyone know how to load downloaded epubs into Play Book on an android phone?
cause i can do PDFs fine, but as im reading star wars and not The Witcher that not what i need

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>>79089294
yfw snoke is a puppet

>>79090441
i feel man that would have been cool to hae so i didnt have to look up Given when i was reading that

>>79089618
>...that was kind of shitty mr.ford
>shut up kid its my death scene, are you han fucking solo?

>>79090466
Figuratively? or Literally?

>>79090411
>he's a nobody.

The problem is...he isn't a nobody, he's writing a Star Wars trilogy where we look into what the Empire was doing after the battle of Endor and the first book is already terribly written. Wendig can't understand that it's his terrible prose, run-on sentences and general writing mistakes that make the book, Aftermath, a very poor book.

>>79090429
You put TFA below any of the prequels, you prove you're nothing but a shitposter

I blame the butthurt "save the legends" fuckers who became the vocal minority. I've seen dozens of casual readers say that the book wasn't their cup of tea, and ah well these things happen. But then they always bring up the crazy legends fans which justifies the book more.

Personally I didn't even read it, and I'm not too interested since it's not long after Endor. I already know the general vibe of history there. Out of all the new canon stuff, I can say it and Heir are only books I didn't feel like reading. I'll take two misses out of a dozen hits.

>>79090537

I'm sorry you have to get this aggressive over another person's opinion.

>>79090505
>>79090549
Directed to you

>>79090505
well its also not just internet assholes who say it, pro critics are slamming it too
literally one of the kindest i saw was someone saying "its no thrawn trilogy, but its not trying to be"

>>79090549
The good thing about Aftermath is that the main story is almost entirely inconsequential. The only stuff that's honestly important are the interludes that give some insight into the political situation, and for that stuff you can really just read summaries and not miss much.

>>79090549
>Personally I didn't even read it,
Then your opinion is completely invalid.

>>79090561
You got nothing to say but linking me to someone else's opinion, so you have no real argument then. I read this shit book, and it was mediocre, but what's worse is the fact the author, instead of taking criticism like an adult, owning up to his mistakes and learning from them has decided to act like a fool and can't accept his shitty writing is just that, shitty writing.

http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2015/09/07/star-wars-aftermath-reviews-news-and-such/

>>79090629
>Then your opinion is completely invalid.

At least I didn't waste my time and read a summary of the important bits. The point is out of all of the new material this one was the only real stinker. Bringing it up all the time makes me think people like you are the butthurt legends fans that ruined any chance of real criticism to this book.

>>79090679
Butthurt legends fans have been loud assholes about all of the books so far. Their reaction to Aftermath hasn't been any different.

The problem is that people have given actual legitimate criticism of it and Wendig throws a fit.

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>>79090699
Many people throw fits, including this general. So I still don't care about the guy, sorry anon.

>>79090736
Okay? I wasn't asking you to.

>>79090343
I don't know if I'd put 2 over 7, but I'd definitely rather watch 3 over any of them.

>>79089319
Mostly this.

The top bait is race, grrl power and Poe probably being gay (which Disney doesn't want to claim as official).

Liking one or more of the characters doesn't equal to the film itself being good.

>yfw one of the tracks used in the trailer is called "Ahsoka's Fate"

https://soundcloud.com/davidglenrussell/ahsokas-fate

>>79090970
So dead.

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>>79090970
Oh... Oh dear... Maybe her fight isn't just a vision then...

>>79089902
I'd take her mando obsession over "IT'S 2016 - WE NEED MORE TRANNY AND GAYS"

After all, everything was going ok until fans got butthurt at her and she responded poorily which killed Imperial Commando

In Chuck's case? He's still writing more shit and some loser bloggers from clickbait sites can't get their tongues out of his ass cheeks.

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What the hell is wrong with Guruhiru

http://gurihiru.tumblr.com/post/135439990856/this-is-the-star-wars-english-japanese-dictionary

>>79090970

That's it, lads. The official waifu of this general is gone.

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>>79091004
Once again, Sand People aren't people. I don't know how many times we need to go through this.

>>79090784
>I'm being torn apart. I want to be free of this pain. I know what I have to do but I don't know if I have the strength to do it. Will you help me?
>FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL

Yes, the prequels are totally better than Force Awakens. If you're stupid, that is.

>>79090970
That second half is too upbeat.

>>79091004
Curious, it's prequel themed. Did the prequels do more favorably over there, because of the swordfightnig or something?

I know TFA isn't going over well in the east nearly as much as Disney hoped. And I remember somewhere (maybe Korea?) the OT only just got a proper release and it was received poorly too.

>>79091033
>Teaching English with Yoda quotes
Is this a fucking joke? Are they insane?

I'm imagining a bunch of Japanese immigrants coming over to the west and speaking like Yoda

>>79091052
My apologies if I don't prefer Abrams Wars over the real thing.

>>79091062
>I'm imagining a bunch of Japanese immigrants coming over to the west and speaking like Yoda

If the Japanese posters on /int/ is something to go by, they already are.

>>79091062
>Curious, it's prequel themed. Did the prequels do more favorably over there, because of the swordfightnig or something?
The prequels had a much wider release than the OT did originally (if it had one at all), so to a lot of China the prequels were their introduction to Star Wars.

>>79091004
I'm not sure I've ever seen wholesale slaughter drawn so adorably before.

>>79091087
>implying the prequels feel like real Star Wars movies

Yep, you're definitely stupid.

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>>79090970
I have been preparing for this moment since she became Anakin Skywalker's Apprentice. We knew it would come to this.

>>79091131
More than TFA at least.

>>79091062
It has less to do with BLACK GUY IN MY MOVIE (which Disney was apparently afraid of enough to reduce him on posters) and more to do with the nostalgia factor being entirely absent to China. Their reviewers and bloggers have noted it too, and a lot of them are ripping into the movie. They're aware that nostalgia was a huge part of the movie and since they don't really have any of it, the constant "LOOK IT'S X! LOOK IT'S Y!" comes across as ridiculous and meaningless to them and they feel they should've focused less on riding the coattails of older movies and more on making sure this one stood on its own.

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>>79091131
>Star Wars is only the OT

>>79091196
Maybe they couldn't see the screen due to the pollution fog

>>79091196
I have a lot of nostalgia for the OT, but I thought it was too much. I can only imagine what asians thought when half the movie was all *wink wink, nudge nudge*

>>79091196
What's also hurting TFA's performance is that they've seen movies that drew inspiration from Star Wars, but without having that context, a lot of the mainstream audience saw TFA and thought "oh we've seen stuff like this, nothing new." So weirdly enough, in China both people who know about Star Wars and people who don't ended up considering the movie to be derivative for completely different reasons.

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>>79090970
R.I.P Waifu of the century.

>>79091270
>So weirdly enough, in China both people who know about Star Wars and people who don't ended up considering the movie to be derivative for completely different reasons.
I'm not sure if this is hilarious or depressing

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>>79091224
The winks in the prequels were far worse. Putting X-Wings, stormtroopers, Han, Luke, Leia and Vader's mask in episode VII made sense and served the story, but there was no reason to shoehorn Artoo, 3PO, Chewbacca and Boba Fett (clones) into the prequels. Hell, Anakin being the creator of C-3PO is probably the dumbest retcon in all of Star Wars.

>>79091324
Literal kilotons of bait.

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>>79091329
How is anything he said bait? The prequels are fucking terrible.

>>79091324
I wish the prequels were never made

>>79091324
R2 and 3PO are staples of the franchise and Lucas didn't want to leave them behind. Chewbacca made sense because they went to Kashyyyk, he wasn't in the trilogy until then. Boba Fett, you can blame entirely on the fanbase who wanted more of him. Jango and the Clones are much better and more interesting than Boba anyways. And Anakin building 3PO isn't a retcon, but I do agree that it was dumb. That's something I definitely would not have done.

>>79091329
How exactly is that bait?

>>79091329
he's right tho

>>79091355
>And Anakin building 3PO isn't a retcon

Yes it is. It is the very definition of a retcon. Just as much as making Leia Luke's sister was.

>>79091355
You can use those excuses for awakens too.

>>79091354
No huge lore expansion? No new characters? No "The Clone Wars"? No thanks.

>>79091377
It'd be a retcon if Threepio had an established origin that was then changed to being built by Anakin. It's a stupid idea but it's not a retcon.

>>79091377
A retcon is changing a previously established fact.

Nobody said Leia WASN'T Luke's sister. Nobody said Vader DIDN'T build 3PO.

They're things that were decided later on, an extension of their character, not a change.

Both are equally retarded though.

>>79091387
Of course you can, nobody was saying that having OT stuff was bad. The problem is "how much is too much?"

>>79091388
It ruined star wars eu.

Back in the thrawn era it was objectively better.

>>79091354
>This
They were just soulless cash grabs from Lucas.

>>79091324
I think the problem was that they were there in the prequels, but the movies weren't built entirely around them. TFA is built almost entirely as OT fanservice.

>>79091413
And TFA isn't a soulless Disney's cash grab?

>>79091448
I didn't say it wasn't, I honestly think the original two movies are the only good ones and Revenge of the Jedi was cash grab as well.

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>>79091355
You can make as many excuses up as you want. Lucas shoehorned unnecessary fanservice into the prequels to make a visual connection to the movies everyone loves. They are not more "independent" from the OT than TFA is.

>>79091483
The difference is the Prequels introduces a lot of new concepts and imagery as well, whereas TFA did not.

>>79091432
That's not true at all. Friends of mine who have never watched or liked the other six movies loved TFA because of the new characters. They didn't need to know anything about this franchise to enjoy the new movie. I'd actually argue that this movie was made for new audiences, not for us hardcore fans, judging by the bitter reactions of "fans" here.

>>79091476
If you only think 2/7 (less than one third!) of the movies are good, why even follow the franchise? Just curious. What do you think of the comics and cartoons too? Because if you dislike those as well, I really don't know why you're here.

>>79091498
But they were all garbage concepts. The prequels ruined the idea of jedi for me.

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I liked all seven movies. Fite me.

>>79091483
>>79091483
>They are not more "independent" from the OT than TFA is.

They are not literally reusing ANH's plot with a dash of TESB, therefore they are.

There is a difference between fancervice and literal coplying.

>>79091527
I'm happy for you. I wanted to like TFA, and I take no joy from being disappointed by it.

>>79091518
I like how jedis are guardians of peace and really harsh against other opinions, it makes star wars more colourfull not just black and white.

>>79091507
>They didn't need to know anything about this franchise to enjoy the new movie. I'd actually argue that this movie was made for new audiences, not for us hardcore fans, judging by the bitter reactions of "fans" here.

And yet TFA only got great box office where it was able to ride the nostalgia appeal, despite one of the most expensive marketing campaigns I've seen.

In fact, much of its marketing campaign beyod trailers was reusing OT characters.

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>>79088727
>not using the gif version

mediocre

>>79091498
What do you mean by new concepts and imagery? Is it the plot? A bad guy in black tries to take over the galaxy and seeks to destroy the Jedi. This has always been the plot in every Star Wars movie.

Is it the CGI? Many movies before and after the prequels used tons of CGI and The Fellowship of the Ring was much more successful at it.

Do you mean the planets? The four most important planets in the PT were Tatooine, a planet that looks like Earth, a planet that looks like the city in Blade Runner and a planet that looks like Cloud City but with water instead of clouds.

There was some new and original stuff in the prequels, but also in TFA. Every Star Wars movie established new things for the franchise.