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Good evening owls of /co/,
We Counter-Earth shenanigans now
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>>79049999
Hello Storyteller.
>We Counter-Earth shenanigans now
..... Yay?
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>>79049999
Fixer is almost as good with the bullshit as Moonstone.
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>>79049999
Nice quads. I don't think I can stay around tonight though, I'm way too tired.
I read the storytime of that big Moonstone vs. Carol comic earlier and I thought it was pretty bad. What are the "good" Carol Danvers stories?
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>>79050050
So you guys know I never manage to watch things, but now I have to watch Over the Garden Wall because apparently this magnificent bastard is one of the voices in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM2yUH3E4JA
I don't like this Karla mask/costume nearly as much as the OG 'Meteorite' one.
>>79050084
sleep >>> storytime
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I caught up with the storytime last thread and the Redeemers had some really brutal deaths. What was up with that?
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>>79050114
also I don't agree with much in this thread (ignore all the Batfanon), but it's nice to see people talking about issues with current girl comics:
https://twitter.com/DavidUzumeri/status/688094632752750592
>>79050165
FabNic can be really mean that way
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>>79049999
That whacky Zemo
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>>79050245
GAH, captcha is being a total shit
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>>79050260
Hah, someone's got Karla's number
>>79050245
>i feel like a lot of lady-led comics have diminished stakes for ‘relatability’ and it rly bugs me
>where’s the fucked up trippy-ass cosmic shit with women?
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>>79050084
>Marvel Super Heroes v1 #12-13 and Captain Marvel v1 #1-18 (although if you get bored of it skip to #18)
>Ms. Marvel v1 #1-23
>The Avengers issues in this thread
>Uncanny X-Men v1 #162-167
>Marvel Super-Heroes v2 #10-11 (aka Ms Marvel #24-25)
>Space Jammers I guess? Haven't read.
>Avengers v3, haven't read
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>>79050301
>>79050255
He's a card!
I just realized there's going to be Zemo in name only in the MCU now, right? This is doing to be bad for comics Zemo, right?
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>>79050245
>those tweets
Can DC at least give me Wonder WOMAN, CatWOMAN, and BatWOMAN because 3 from the big 2 should be enough to satisfy me. I can get the rest from Image, Vertigo, and everywhere else.
I hope the Poison Ivy mini at least has her acting like an adult.
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>>79050323
I saw someone who's pretty critical being genuinely enthusiastic about Tieri Catwoman, but I ain't reading it
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>>79050303
Ty my friend
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>>79050397
You welcome anon.
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>>79050370
Jolt is GENRE SAVVY!
those are some serious ionic boobs, goddamn
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>>79050370
It's a standard Tieri book. The villains are really bad, the protagonist is morally ambiguous, and it doesn't do anything exceptional.
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>>79049999
>counter-earth shenanigans
What a perfect lead-in to the question I had. I couldn't make heads or tails of the wiki entries. What is Rikki Bucky's relation to Winter Soldier? Is she just like his vaguely AU "what if Bucky were a waifu" counterpart?
Also that's a fine set of quads right there.
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>>79050468
At least it's not Nocenti bad
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>>79050468
Good to know
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>>79050437
>those are some serious ionic boobs, goddamn
It's almost like most comic book artists are pathetic, sexually frustrated morons with no talent and less understanding of human anatomy. But no, that would be silly.
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>>79050511
Bucky as Winter Soldier originates with Bru, so later than this
So Zemo's out of Citizen V's body, now
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>>79050529
I like Nocenti's weirdness, if only she had an editor who could have sanded away the more incoherent aspects. Klarion worked.
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>>79050529
At least Nocenti gave me lolz.
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>>79050600
Aha, another Citizen V mini coming up
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>>79050571
That's pretty brutal this early in the thread. Are we in for a wild ride?
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>>79050648
Honestly Nocenti was the most I've ever enjoyed a Catwoman comic. Not because it was GOOD, of course, but it was hilariously crazy.
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>>79050676
now, back to the Hawkeye and Frands plot
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>>79050600
>WS came after
FUCK! Should I just completely dissociate the two in my head other than their both having been Cap's sidekick Bucky at some point?
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>>79050687
cranky!anon has been cranky today
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>>79050571
Well Eric has Pym Particles too, right?
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>>79050617
Klarion is legitimately one of my favourite comics characters full stop. Love him.
>>79050695
I think Rikki Barnes is an alternate Bucky's granddaughter? I'm not completely sure.
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>>79050687
Fuck are you on about?
>brutal
It's the damn truth is what it is.
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>>79050695
I don't think they ever have anything to do with each other
the original Bucky was good and deal for a really long while. Some believe he should have stayed ded, like Jason Todd.
that Jason Todd reddit thread was a zillion lulz
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>>79050786
>that Jason Todd reddit thread was a zillion lulz
You can't just say that and not link it
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>>79050823
oh Karla
>>79050817
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/417i0e/that_punch_hurt_tim_more_than_it_did_jason_we_are/
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>>79050771
>I think Rikki Barnes is an alternate Bucky's granddaughter?
Yes. In the Heroes Reborn universe, Bucky lived and married Peggy Carter. Rikki is his granddaughter.
It seems like every AU Bucky lives and marries Steve's girlfriend.
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You know, in light of the last storytime I don't think Ellis mischaracterized Karla in his thunderbolts.
The tone is darker which makes her seem worse, but overall she's the same.
She doesn't have a strong sense of right and wrong and doesn't care about saving or hurting people. She can enjoy being a hero but doesn't have the moral backbone to WANT to be one.
In the current run she was surrounded by heroic people and it rubbed off on her. In Ellisbolt she was surrounded by terrible people and it made the worst of her.
>>79050084
she doesn't actually have good stories.
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>>79050863
Cuckolded eternally throughout space and time.
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>>79050919
man, Counter-Earth sucks
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>>79050953
well that's a surprise!
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>>79050886
I think you basically write Karla Sofen as either a narcissist or a narcissist psychopath, and Ellis did the latter.
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>>79050967
>>79050886
That's a supported reading.
But Brian Wood's "I killed my mom" was too much.
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>>79050771
>I think Rikki Barnes is an alternate Bucky's granddaughter?
>alternate Bucky
BUT WHICH ONE FFFFFFFUUUU-
This is why I fucking hate DC legacy characters since all the prominent ones just use the famous name so unless you're already familiar enough with them to know their actual name you can't talk about them at all.
>>79050786
>the original Bucky
I-I'm gonna pretend that Rikki is the granddaughter of his AU counterpart even if that's incorrect just so this will stop bugging me.
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>>79050933
Well it was created by Liefeld/a five year old.
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>>79050991
Reed, not Wood. Generic writer, but not sexual harasser.
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>>79050863
Imagine if you could hop to a universe where your cool dead grandpa was still a young dude and you could bro around with him. I know comics would probably inject that with a lot of drama but it feels like a very comfy scenario.
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>>79050933
Fuck you, Franklin, you little shit. And fuck you especially, Victor.
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>>79050842
As a Jasonfag I'll take him getting his shit wrecked over him being a two-dimensional alcoholic edgelord any day.
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>>79051031
I can't remember if they ever met. I remember one where Rikki wanted to meet BuckyCap, but Natasha found her and talked her out of it because it would freak him out or something.
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>>79051069
But if he doesn't drink all the time how would you know he's a bad boy who's different from the other Robins
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>>79051090
also if you drink all the time you get fat, which is a bad combo with being an edgelord assassin
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>>79051090
I get triggered hard by the Robins all having pretty well defined specialties and individual writers deciding that isn't enough and wanking their particular pet Robin to be better than all the others. And in every direct power level comparison I really just want pages of Cass fucking people up like she's starring in Tokyo Gore Police: Gotham Edition.
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>>79051151
Now I'm picturing Homer Simpson as a hit man.
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>>79051151
Eh, his lifestyle ensures he can burn it all out.
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>>79051127
>he drowned in hulk jizz ma'am im sorry for your loss
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>>79050317
Probably. Zemo's not terribly wacky though, so he may not get it as hard as say, Zola.
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>>79051151
Also if he were to get fat most of his fandom would cry
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>>79050571
Those look like fairly normal, if large boobs. Or do you just go around telling busty women they're disgusting and unnatural?
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>>79051219
dat ass
>>79051217
I fear Flanderization in comics
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>>79051218
He'd get a lot of new members in his fandom because of being fat, though.
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>>79051275
the hero bug has bit you, Songbird
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>>79051261
>Or do you just go around telling busty women they're disgusting and unnatural?
They already know on some level. That lower back pain clues them in, so I don't have to tell them.
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>>79051345
Cranky? That's really not nice. Even for YOU.
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>>79051451
best odd couple
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>>79051345
Under that logic wombs are disgusting and unnatural because they give you cramps. Why do you hate women so much?
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>>79050600
he's in techno's armor now
>>79050556
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>>79051469
Also kind of in this weird D/s relationship at the moment.
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>>79051427
IDK God hates big tits seems like a fair deduction. Breasts have gotten larger as human civilization has developed and more and more people have become atheists. The world will not end with fire, frost or flood but will drown under a sea of heaving tits.
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>>79051562
>>79051549
Now you have me thinking of that one monster in Gantz that the Osaka Perv had to fuck (and die, accordingly)
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>>79051598
I gave up on Gantz super quick so I'm ignorant of that I'm afraid.
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>>79051654
I never finished it but I remember that bit as a kind of supreme WTF in a sea of WTF
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>>79051427
Oh cry me a river. Big tits are gross.
>>79051490
Shut up. I don't hate women, I just hate giant tits.
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>>79051778
How about a more cheerful note of how is everyone today?
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>>79051795
I keep hearing the scratching of animals, and I'm scared it's coming from in the walls instead of outside on the roof. ;_;
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>>79051709
>disregarding the Greater Invisible Tit theory
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>>79051827
oh shit, squirrels/mice in the walls=bad
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>>79051858
Yeah, that's our Helmut
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>>79051795
Fine but I pretty much did just sleep and waste time all day. I'm thinking about signing up for an early morning adult class on Saturdays just to make sure I get up early.
How are you?!
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>>79051876
I meant to work in the asparagus patch but it was windy and the call of 'fuck it' was too strong
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>>79051906
THIS is when you just shank a motherfucker, people.
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>>79051709
>polices women's bodies
>only cares women when they're arousing to him
>"I don't hate women."
HAHAHA
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>>79051938
UNDERCOVER SONGBIRD
HOLY SHIT
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>>79050301
Damn, bitchslapping someone in power armour. Hand's gotta hurt like hell after that.
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>>79051795
>How about a more cheerful note of how is everyone today?
Eh. Not really much to say. Still confused about why the hell Legend of Tomorrow even exists.
>>79051850
.... Do I want to know? Because i have a feeling whatever brain-dead thought came out of your head there is going to give me a headache.
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Oh, I got the other two Red Knight books in the mail today. I haven't read the first one yet though
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>>79051964
It exists to piss you off, anon. That's the only reason WB is putting money and time into it.
>>79051984
I am storytiming for y'all (and me) instead of reading #3 right now
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>>79052045
>>79052025
And, well, it seems to be working.
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>>79051964
Yo I get that body policing is a big deal we should all be angry about but I can't really handle the complete lack of humor ITT. It's a dumb anime thing anywaycalm your tits
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>>79052025
Nice cover.
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>>79051949
I like when comic artists have to draw bad clothes on purpose. Most of them are already so good at it accidentally.
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>>79052063
Ahhh, Karla
>>79052070
why is that so funny? because it is.
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>>79051949
Getting mixed messages with that star of David.
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>>79052084
It really is a total delight when you read a comic where the outfits and fashion are actually good. This was a pleasant surprise for me in American Alien #3.
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>>79052111
You can be a nice Jewish girl and still dress up like a biker slut if you have a good reason to.
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>>79052025
I have so many books to get through already this year it'll be ages till I start on them, I think. Probably the series will be finished by then.
That said I even went creeping for more fantasy lit today but ended up ordering/wishlisting a bunch of social history books about falconry instead.
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>>79052145
hey, does this count as kind of /d/, or just usual bodysharing shenanigans
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>>79050972
no not a narcissist, but definitely with psychopathic traits. That's how she seems to be portraied to me. She isn't shown to feel empathy for anyone, save a couple of exceptions. In fact it seems more like Jolt was her conscience during her most heroic period.
>Ellis did the latter.
Actually I'd say that Ellis portrayed her as a narcissist psychopath rather than just a psychopath.
>>79050991
Definitely. And her driving patients to suicide just to see if she could. But I don't know if that was part of her characterization before or was introduced by Ellis.
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>>79052166
>the tone sounds like hitler
kek
and it's totally /d/
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>>79052070
Oh, that stupid bullshit. I was right, your dumb bullshit did give me a headache.
>>79052111
How? She's Jewish, you idiot.
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>>79052124
Joelle Jones is great. First thing in a while that gave me more material for my "good clothes in comics" folder.
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>>79052166
strategic hunk of rock~
>>79052200
yeah, it is
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>>79052170
Anon Moonstone is absolutely a narcissist. How can you say she isn't?
I would say that most of the time Moonstone has denial of remorse and 'her conscience' (indicating narcissism) rather than a complete lack of it (indicating psychopathy). In Ellis' run she did seem to lack all remorse.
She's egotistical and self-serving to a degree where the suffering of others means essentially nothing to her. But she can be reached by empathy if it's penetrating enough which to me is what makes her a narcissistic rather than a psychopath (or narcissist psychopath).
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>>79052209
I know. But the "hey, look at my cleavage" vest clashes a bit with the "hey look at my religious devotion" symbol.
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>>79052224
how is Tarr? she gets praise on those fronts.
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>>79052278
FIIIIXER
He really was a pig in his younger self
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>>79052269
No it doesn't. There's tons of people who dress like whores yet wear their religion on their sleeve. The fuck are you on about?
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>>79052209
>getting aches from a silly post on the internet
Clearly your head is disgusting and unnatural.
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>>79052356
Looking rather 90s there Fixer.
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>>79050245
>>79050301
>>79050303
>imagine a superheroine without instagram OR twitter
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>>79052378
the 90s were a hangover much of the 2000s had
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>>79052278
She tries and it's not the generic or tacky crap most artists draw. It's mostly not my taste but she's going for the teenage hipster-y look so mission accomplished.
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>>79052356
Is he just randomly firing those guns at nothing? That's amazing.
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>>79052349
That's pretty much just Christians.
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>>79052434
that face on Jolt is perfect
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>>79052456
p much all neo-pagans too senpai
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>>79052355
>HUUUUUR BOOBIES XD!!!!11111
If that's your idea of fun, it's time to grow up. Or kill yourself. Either one's good.
>>79052358
And your comebacks are on par with those a mentally deficient five year old.
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>>79050991
Zemo just stay dead you Nazi asshat goddamn.
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>>79052482
I'd much rather tits were my idea of fun than my idea of no fun whatsoever. Always kek at a post calling someone stupid where the poster makes a typo too.
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>>79052533
To be fair, Heinrich's the Nazi, Helmut's just a Prussian dick
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>>79051906
I thought the bracelets shocked them if they used their powers, that "even if hawkeye made the physical motion of drawing a bow". but cottonmouth was able to use his bite?
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Unlike Namor, Zemo never dies
Z E M O
E M O Z
M O Z E
O Z E M
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>>79052582
Prisoner's gotta eat
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>>79052655
D'awww. They did the right thing. Which means they're about to get fucked.
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>>79052550
>I'd much rather tits were my idea of fun than my idea of no fun whatsoever.
Nice to see that you're proud of being an immature moron.
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>>79052678
That's some fantastic hair on Mimi
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>>79052267
psychopathy doesn't ome with an absolute absence of empathy except at the most extreme forms. There are degrees of psychopathic traits.
But she doesn't strike me as a narcissist at all. Zemo is a narcissist, Graviton is a narcissist.
But Karla, until Ellis, was never really intersted in showing herself to be better than others, to hurt others to feel better about herself or to be unable to see her own limits and flaws.
But in any case, the most important thing is wether it's pathological or not. Everyone has a few narcissistic and psychopathic traits, along with many other stuff. It's when they influence one's ability to function normally in society that they become a disorder or a pathology.
In Karla's case she's perfectly able to function normally in society and it's only due to circumstances that she's in her situation.
I think I'm describing personality traits, you are describing a personality disorder.
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>>79052482
At least I'm not using the logic that people use to be hateful to each other all the time.
>Big tits can cause discomfort, therefor women with big tits are inferior
>Periods are gross, therefore women are vile and unclean
>Men are bigger and stronger than women, so men should be in charge
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>>79052702
I'm really liking Mimi's new look.
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>>79052702
Can we stop fighting about tits and start fighting about, IDK, Bendis?
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>>79052739
Anyone know when Clint picked up his carny background?
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>>79051275
On the upside if they Introduce Zemo, they could introduce the Masters of Evil.
And the Masters of Evil are just one or two movies away from being the Thunderbolts.
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>>79052739
Bendis is a right tit, though.
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it's funny how we've been reading stuff that (somewhat) contemporary. Late Reboot-Threeboot and this.
>>79052760
It's there pretty early I think. Maybe by the time Swordsman shows up in Avengers?
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>>79052739
Are there many who would argue in Bendis' defense though?
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>>79052730
Yeah sure that sounds pretty legit, I accept your arguments.
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>>79052760
This is some good shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1_vm0FMAU
every time I've seen DG live, the Commendatore has not been thunderous enough for my taste
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>>79052739
Civil War 2 just needs to come out like, now, to satisfy my hunger for schadenfreude
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>>79052673
I'd say they're more mature than you.
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>>79052800
hey found a page
>>79052814
his daredevil is all time great
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>>79052730
Karla's intensely self-centered and works on a careful calculation of cost/benefit, but being superior to everyone and acknowledged as such is too damn much work. Being comfy is better.
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>>79052861
>glamor-pants
Also that whole idea of Hawkeye hitting a bunch of arrows in the target and Swordsman just up and throwing his sword right at the bullseye. Amazing.
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>>79052731
Will you stop accusing me of being a misogynist? I just hate breasts. Breast are gross, they look stupid, and are borderline obsolete in their only real function.
I'm not allowed to dislike certain parts of human anatomy? Well fuck you then. Goddamn.
>>79052739
>Can we stop fighting about tits and start fighting about, IDK, Bendis?
No. Not until shithead up there stops calling me a woman-hater.
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>>79052814
There are a surprising amount of people who use USM and Daredevil to defend him still
That and his IIM doesn't seem to be very hated outside of some of the cringier moments.
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>>79052760
From his first appearance, he was in a carnival that Tony and Pepper(might have been Happy and Pepper) went to, it was in reprinted in the 100 page Giant that you storytimed .
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>>79052861
thanks anon!
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>>79052814
He's ok at street stuff.
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>>79052884
>that shirt
pffffthahaha
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>>79052930
>>79052921
that facial hair bros page, and the lazy repeated panels, is worth immolation
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>>79052930
Is the X on that lamp uh, lampshading something?
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>>79052930
Don't think is right, smoking in bed like that is a great way to start a fire.
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>>79052760
First appearance, he was working a carnival that Tony and Pepper were dating at. At Coney Island I think.
He was always a Carny. He was also always a bit of a good hearted screw up.
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>>79052964
>When you get your fashion tips from Angar the Screamer
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>>79052958
I think it's just a decoration
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>>79052964
With screaming mimi looking like the cross between a crack whore and a clown, does she really need the biker babe getup to seem bad?
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>>79052994
The old Mimi costume is a hoot, innit
>>79052983
Right, I was kind of wondering when it came up that he'd been a carny for quite a while/as a kid, but that seems to cover it, or at least give the foundation for how it got expanded
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>>79052982
Also a good way to catch lung cancer.
Ah the 90s. When people still thought smoking was cool.
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>>79053025
Well Joey Q did ban smoking in all Marvel comics somewhere around this time period so this was one of the last.
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>>79053025
Still is.
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>>79053084
Aha!
This is reminding me how much I miss Dylan Battles.
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>>79052994
I love supervillain tailors.
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>>79053100
*gets a mastectomy*
*smokes angrily at you*
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>>79053113
That rarest of shit--a map with fake countries on it!
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>>79051949
Does Melissa just have a secondary power of people disregarding her crazy white and pink hair?
Because, that shit is kind of distinctive, like I can sort of buy it in the occasions where the Bolts are popular enough for a lot of women to start trying to look like her but still..
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>>79053100
Try telling that the many people who have lost loved ones to diseases caused by smoking. See if they agree and don't punch you in the face.
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>>79053121
There's a Korean manwha about a superhero tailor that actually gets a pretty good write-up, I've been meaning to read it.
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>>79053187
>Kurt Busiek Percocet, Valium, pizza and lemon-infused club soda. Everything necessary for a quiet Saturday night in.
Oh, bless his heart
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>>79053173
What's the name?
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>>79053203
Clint Barton IS: MACGYVER!
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>>79053203
>Plantman talking about how he dislikes the wind
HE'S SPEAKING TO YOU STORYTELLER
YOU AND YOUR ASPARAGUS
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>>79053217
Heroine Chic but ignore me about it being Korean, it's just on the same site as I read some webtoons on.
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>>79053221
HA! HA!
>>79053234
things I did not know when I was not careful to separate out a ton of weeny little seedlings: that shit has roots that was SRS BZNS
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>>79053339
dat Zemo parka
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>>79053377
whaaaaa?
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>>79053411
thanks for reading, owls. I think tomorrow is Citizen V mini time: Electric Boogaloo
Waid/Ringo F4: good comics
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>>79053411
>capital of Counter-Earth
Capital of the whole planet?
Okay, fuck not getting mad at bad science. This is BULLSHIT. Doom, you fucking suck at logistics and understanding of scale. Fuck you.
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>>79053434
Thanks OP!
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>>79053434
BTW, #75 is where our journey with the Bolts will end for now and we'll hop back and read Threeboot
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>>79053434
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.
New Citizen V was really popular enough to get two minis? Huh. Okay then.
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>>79053434
I hear ya, I should do Millar F4.
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>>79053434
Thanks for posting
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