December sales numbers

>>78895946
>So how badly will these Marvel #1s drop?
Not bad enough for events to pull numbers up.

>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K

Dead in the water.

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>>78895946

>all those Marvel #1

>213 Omega Men 7 $2.99 DC 9,251

Let the monthly Omega Men sales lamentation begin

>>78896127
Isn't it already dead

>>78896165
Five more issues. I'll be surprised if it sells more than 5k by end.

>>78895946
>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K
FUCK

>>78895946
>>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K
Didn't any of you assholes buy a variant?
Joking aside, have digital numbers for Starbrand and Nightmask been released, maybe that can somewhat mitigate this?

>Sheriff of Babylon #1 10,234
Is that good for Vertigo?

>>78897000
Why would I buy an issue to begin with? Shit sucked.

>>78896052

Goddamn DC, print some #1's

>>78896127
Shit. You'd think with all the good publicity it'd do at least a little bit better.

>>78897081
They launched a Harley team up title, that's a start.

>>78897081

I just find it disgusting that 11 Marvel comics out of the top 50 books are #1. I am not counting annuals or minievents like Robin War of course.

>>78897115

If they do more Harley variant covers all will be well. She'll save the company yet.

>>78897091
>thinking word of mouth sells comics
>thinking good reviews sell comics
The only things that work are crossovers, events, and forcing stores to buy more copies with incentive variants.

>>78897091
As pretentious as it may sound, the comic is just too high brow for the average comic book buyer.

>>78897000
>Didn't any of you assholes buy a variant?
I was going to get the Lupacchino variant, but my LCS wouldn't order it for me because they don't like "playing the variant game." Which is admirable up until the part where they only ordered 2 fucking copies of starbrand/nightmask, one for me and one for their rack.

I hate my LCS sometimes. I really do.

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>>78897091
>good comics selling
>good comics with literally whos ever selling
That's funny anon.

Lowest selling DC ongoings

Omega Men 9,251
Midnighter 11,267
Doctor Fate 11,954
Justice League 3001 13,979
Secret Six 14,663
Catwoman 15,038
Gotham Academy 15,865
Martian Manhunter 15,962
Sinestro 17,189
Cyborg 17,864

>>78896127
>Omega Men 6 9,709

At least it didn't drop 1k+
M-maybe it finally settled?

>>78897190
Aww, Sinestro has been dropping, that's a shame

>Goddamned 2 $3.99 Image 20,415

This is a Goddamned fantastic series and I didn't even know 2 came out. Nobody talks about it, and clearly not enough people buy it

>>78897190
Atleast catwoman went with a bang.

>>78897190

Pretty much half of the shit I read. Great.

>>78897056
Not really, but don't worry about cancelation, it's a mini. You can be sad that his best title is his lowest selling, but at least you don't have to worry for it's future.

>>78897190
>Cyborg 17,864
Christ, Reis really was half of the sales. I was worried him leaving for Rise of the Seven Seas would do that to Vic.

But Omega Men, Midnighter, Dr Fate, and JL3001 are pretty much confirmed cancelled then? With JL3002 on the way?

>>78897185
capefags don't care.Those who might like it think it's capeshit.
It could do well on trades but DC don't care about trades unlike Marvel.
bt ultimately it's king's fault. If you got a nice story to tell don't do it in a cape comic

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Extraordinary x-men is already in 48k
All new x-men in 56k

While the inhumans

Uncanny inhumans is at 43k
And almost half of people who bought all new inhumans #1 dropped because that book is at 34K

>>78897214
Any idea why?

>>78897190
So Catwoman is definitely getting a relaunch then?

Tieri usually is just filler and god damn that drop.

>>78897190
Almost all of those are on my pull list and most of them are pretty great books, none of them deserve those awful numbers

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>>78897190
Nice, my two favorite ongoings are also the lowest selling.

Take me out of my misery already.

>>78897190
>everyone bitching about a J'onn title
>finally gets one
>is good
>sells like shit
goddamit
I could say this about Cyborg too but that's just decent.

>>78897190
Meanwhile Red Hood Arsenal gets rescued by the damn crossover

When are we going to get the solicitations for march ?

>>78897275

Febuary solicits will have the New 52 #52s and the issue DCYOU #12s. Seems like the perfect time for a wave of cancellations/relaunches

>>78895946
>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K
That's OK. It's not like I wanted anything nice to happen. I mean, hah, why would anything nice ever happen?

>>78897245

Omega Men is getting its full run as a good faith to the fans that fought for its return.

Midnighter is tricky. The trade pre-orders are ridiculously good and DC is trying to keep it afloat with Grayson crossovers and now a Squad one. It could use a variant or two.

Dr. Fate really needs a more fun writer and it could be DC's equivalent to Miss Marvel.

>>78897056
It's one of the lower debuts for the new Vertigo titles. The highest one was like 17k I think. But it's a mini so it'll probably do better in trade anyway.

>>78897091
Anon, the premise of Omega Men is alienating enough. Add to that how closely you have to read, and that's a recipe for people not wanting it.

>>78897262
>It could do well on trades but DC don't care about trades unlike Marvel.
I'm pretty sure DC cares more

>>78897272
No idea, it hasn't changed directions lately or anything. Maybe the secondary GL books really were surviving on line wide crossovers? They haven't done one since Godhead over a year ago, and I know the last issue of Lost Army in November sold less than Sinestro

>>78897267
>And almost half of people who bought all new inhumans #1 dropped because that book is at 34K
But why? All-new Inhumans is way better than Uncanny. Hell, it's better than any of the x-books at that.

>>78897145
Word of mouth does sell comics. Grayson and Ms Marvel are super popular and fans raving about them is why they sell. Omega Men just has several people mentioning it here and there.

>>78897306
>When are we going to get the solicitations for march
Last month. The ones for April should be out next week.

>>78897306
Next week.

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>>78897314
>anon soul when

>>78897340
Because if people dont like teen x-men they will care less about new teen inhumans

>>78897314
frankly, it wasn't good

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>Hercules dropped to 20k
>Vision selling lower even with free issues, #4 sales will probably be disastruous
Cool, the only two Marvel comics I read also sell like shit.

>>78897333

I would say all the shitting on Bunn gets is not helping Sinestro. I can see people dropping it despite enjoying it solely because people are telling them Bunn is bad.

>>78897340
>But why?
because they suck

>>78897361
>Because if people dont like teen x-men they will care less about new teen inhumans
B-but Crystal is one of the few inhumans that anyone gives a fuck about.

I mean, Lockjaw, Crystal, and Black Bolt are pretty much the only Inhumans worth a damn and they've ruined BB by turning him into Cuckbolt and Lockjaw isn't appearing anywhere at the moment, leaving Crystal as the only Inhuman anyone should care about.

Yet people are buying the Medusa-lead book instead? How can people have taste so shit that they'd pick Cuntdusa over Best Waifu Crystal.

>>78897329
>Anon, the premise of Omega Men is alienating enough. Add to that how closely you have to read, and that's a recipe for people not wanting it.
Not to mention the only character in it that would actually be a reader draw is barely advertised to be in it and half his fans hate it anyway

>>78897340
double shipped, It wouldn't be smart for LCS to buy a bunch of #2 with nothing but a weeks sales to back up the previous chapters. Plus the only sorta well known inhumans in it are crystal and gorgon the former coming of years of absence.

>>78897394
Bunn doesn't really have that bad a rep among the average fan though, does he?

>>78897344
Digitally, sure. They're not really selling that great in retail stores, though.

>>78897333
He means that Marvel releases trades of ongoing series faster than DC, but the reason DC doesn't do it is because it discourages single issues sales( how many times have you heard about a mini " no point in getting the singles, I'll just get the trade). Marvel can afford to do it due to constant relaunches, constant events and bazillion variants which tricks the LCS

>>78897419
The overexposure to Medusa in avengers book or ms marvel made people love Medusa in such a short time.

Or people like a women with power that doesnt need no man.

Choose your poison

>>78895946
Wow that is pretty good for Guardians of Infinity hopefully the drop isn't drastic.

>>78897455

His rep has not been very good since the Aquaman stuff and lately it's just been more and more. Sinestro is good but I know quite a few people who have turned on it for no reason other than him writing it.

>>78897477
Oh yeah, Marvel pumps them out faster (the Ultimate End trade came out like less than a month after the final issue ffs) but I do not get the impression that they care about long term sales as much

>>78897496
That's weird, it feels like aside from Aquaman and Fearless Defenders he's generally well liked (outside /co/)

Sinestro is good so it's a shame it probably won't make it past 30

>>78897455
He does, especially after Aquaman. It's a shame because he can be really good when he's on a title he really cares about.

>>78897344
>Omega Men just has several people mentioning it here and there.
it was among many comic review websites Top 10 of the year. even CBR, Marvel and Image shills they are, gave Omega Men a Top 10 spot on their 2015 countdown.

word of mouth doesn't translate to sales, it's all about how much a comic can pander and trend on social media.

>Midnighter drops heavily when based Agent Grayson shows up
>Starfire drops like 5k when based Agent Grayson shows up

So uh twice is just a coincidence, but thrice...

>>78897419
>This hard waifuism
Crystal has not been prominent since she was on the avengers in the fucking 90s. Besides Medusa is way nicer than she used to be. Also Crystal is an adulterous cunt.
>Medusa-lead book
It's a black bolt book so far, the first and the second arc follow him.

>>78897501
Well yes, that was my point.

>>78897483
>that doesnt need no man.
They fucked that up with her being with johnny. She should have stayed single it could have been a good angle.

>>78897372
No worse than most of the ANAD books. Certainly leagues better than fucking USG and that's probably gonna get twice as long of a run AND a THIRD relaunch. Meanwhile, this'll probably get cancelled at 6, and be the last chance at any new New Universe material for at least another decade.

Do you have any idea how fucking furious I am that BLUR of all people is probably going to be the only New Universe character that anyone will give a shit about once this gets cancelled? DP7 was good, don't get me wrong, but it was pretty much standard super-hero fare and Blur wasn't even one of the more interesting characters in the line-up.

Every decade we get ONE shot at making people give a fuck about New Universe. The original line failed, Starblast was forgettable, newuniversal was hugely promising then didn't go anywhere once Ellis dropped the project (HDD failure my fucking ass), and this is it man. This is the one shot we've got for the 10s.

It's hard being one of the 3 people in the world that still care, but Shooter duped me into caring about NU.

>>78897477

DC also collects more in their trades than Marvel does and they're on a whole more affordable. DC also spends more time releasing older runs and fan-favorite stuff through trades. Trades are secondary to Marvel, but it's where DC's sales are stronger. Midnighter is selling like shit but the pre-orders are great, quite a few anons have said their local bookstores have trouble keeping Grayson and Batgirl in stock, and Didio even said that strong trade sales are starting to matter more to them now.

>>78897534
Nobody cares about reviews but word of mouth works. Omega Men is not talked about on tumble and is only mentioned ass good sometimes(quite rare in the last few months) here or on reddit and the threads always have few replies and fewer posters.

>>78897501
Marvel also doesn't sell that well in trade, so it's natural that they don't really care about them.

In the last years, Hawkeye was the only one that did extremely well in trade form. I don't think they managed to have something like that for an ongoing since then. I think it's why they're trying to immitate de Fraction/Aja style for many of their comics, they're hoping they'll get a hit like that again.

>>78897190
>Midnigher
Goddammit it no

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>>78895946
>Starbrand and Nightmask debuts at 29K

>>78897597
Maybe Sunspot will save them, remember that he offer them a spot in the new avengers and maybe they will take place of Wiccan and Teddy when they are gone.

And why would they be gone, because Wiccan now has a chutulu like god living inside him

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>Hercules #2 20,719

Guess he'll be bi next time.

>>78897663

Wiccan and Teddy will get their own book and everyone will pretend it's the first gay male lead book in existence and we all damn well know it.

>>78897619
Hawkeye and Ms Marvel are forming a group of Marvel titles that sell disproportionately well in trade. If the next USQ does well in trade, then that will round out their trinity of high trade sellers.

>>78897609
Yes anon. The original poster was wrong but I was just trying to make you understand what he meant and what he meant is that Marvel releases trades of ongoing comics faster. DC actually tries with their trades and reprints a lot of old stuff, even if they're not super popular(like Milligan's Egypt)

>>78897190
>Literally all of my pull titles
>And Cyborg

Welp I'm fucked.

>>78897377
At least we can take solace in knowing that not even Marvel can make good books sell. It's not DC's marketing's fault that their good books don't sell, it's just that the average consumer ACTIVELY HATES QUALITY.

>>78897697
>Wiccan and Hulkling
>Not Iceman

Pls anon, you know Marvel will want the rage surrounding full gay Bobby propping their book up.

>>78897619
>In the last years, Hawkeye was the only one that did extremely well in trade form. I don't think they managed to have something like that for an ongoing since then. I think it's why they're trying to immitate de Fraction/Aja style for many of their comics, they're hoping they'll get a hit like that again.
Ms. Marvel and USG do well in trade too :^)

>>78897680
Or they'll make title with gay Herc and Gayverine.

>>78897760
They should have replaced Wolverine with Howlett

>>78897539
Starfire is because it didn't have a variant this month.

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>>78897628
Midnighter might get saved by the fact that the protagonist is gay and because it's getting great reviews/was on many best of 2015 lists/just won an award for best new ongoing. Also good trade pre-orders and does okay digitally.

Just trying to be optimistic. I don't want to accept that all the books I like will get cancelled soon.

>>78897680
Seriously Why can marvel make an hercules movie sooner, is the only way they will get people to buy this book

>>78897739
>iceman
Is a mutant, marvel doesnt want to deal with mutants anymore

>>78897527
Bunn's anti-hero/villain books are good. Nigga can write some top tier hammy morally ambiguous character work. But he's pretty awful at everything else. Even his indie books aren't particularly good.

I love his Sinestro and Magneto, and his UXM (art aside) seems like it'll be good, but I've hated every other book he's written something fierce.

>>78897788
He had fancier claws, desu.

>>78897792
Oh thank goodness

>>78897792
Oh yeah I forgot that it was Harley variant month, only ten books got them

Looks like GL got a 6k bump or so from it

>>78897568
Eh, Johnny is the equivalent of a trophy wife. He's not there to be the dominant part of the relationship, he's there to be arm candy to show that Medusa only fucks top tier blondes.

>>78897805
Bitch I will fight you, Harrow County is fantastic.

>>78897798
>Is a mutant, marvel doesnt want to deal with mutants anymore
Well Bobby is probably the OG X Man people give the least fucks about so they could probably just retcon him into being an inhuman this whole time. Might as well since he was gay this whole time too. Lying to himself and being flamboyant can be his new personality.

>>78897844
A man child is not arm candy, just shows you have low standards.

I don't get it, why doesn't DC give the Harley variants to low selling books?

Batman and the rest will sell no matter what. Seems like it would be a better business decision to give variants with popular characters to books that are not selling so hot.

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>>78897697
I hope so, i want pic related to happen

>>78897798

Not really. Iron Man, Vision, and more don't really do all that amazing despite having movies.

Maybe Marvel should do Star Wars crossover month seeing how really it's the title that's actually selling well. They're really not doing any better than DC when you take Star Wars away.

>>78897739

He won't catch the Tumblr market like Wiccan and Hulkling.

>>78897824
Comic fans having such shit taste they flee a book when Grayson shows up would be too much to bear.

Midnighter has been dropping hard but less hard with each issue, so it doesn't look like Dick made a difference there either.

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>>78897736
There's a reason why in most of these threads I end up posting this picture.

>>78897895
Grandpa Pymtron would be proud.

I guess it's time for Marvel to rebrand.

Again.

>>78897743
The first USG trade did great, but let's see how the future trades, espicially with the relaunch messing with the numbers, does before putting it on the same tier as Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye.

>>78897190
>MMH
>and Cyborg
It fucking hurts, anons. I guess Cyborg is going to be retooled to a Titans movie

>>78897883
I'd rather give Batman variants and sell 6k extra than give Cyborg a variant for maybe 500 extra copies sold.

>>78897883
If you give variants to lower selling books, there's a chance that retailers won't take it since they fear they won't be able to sell any extra copies. It's safer and a guaranteed success to have variants on books they know will sell.

E.g., a variant for Batman may bump up sales by 7k vs a variant for Midnighter which may bump it up 1-2k. DC would much rather have sales go from 110k to 117k than 11k to 13k.

Wonder Woman 42 - 36.7k
Wonder Woman 43 - 39.6k
Wonder Woman 44 - 36.2k
Wonder Woman 45 - 33.9k
Wonder Woman 46 - 34.0k
Wonder Woman 47 - 40.1k

FUCK. EVERYTHING. KILL THIS COMIC.

>>78897849
I haven't read it but I'll take your word for it. I'll give it credit for being a Dark Horse comic in 2016 though.

>>78897883

Because their big titles are dropping due to shit talent being on them. This month was like a placebo rather than a true cure. DC's smaller titles are just better quality-wise right now than most of their bigger name characters.

>>78897853
fox would probably sue marvel for that

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>>78897922
Have another one.

>>78897969
>tfw LOWW will do horribly in floppy format
>tfw it's not even doing all that well in digital format either

I know it's because of the Harley variant stuff but fuck, DC needs to know that the Finches aren't acceptable, especially Meredith.

>>78897969
What happened in 47? Oh wait, variant. Couldn't possibly be an increase in quality.

>>78897168
I understand not buying retail incentive variants but when it's literally "Just order me this cover, too" they're just being pretentious cunts about it.
I picked up the Skottie Young variant, myself.
I am a huge fucking sucker for his covers, I dunno.

>>78897377

Vision doesn't really matter since we figured out it was a stealth mini from day one. It's going to end at #6 no matter what.

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>>78897969
The DC sales ride never ends.

>>78898018
Yeah, it was the Harley Quinn variant.

>>78897702
Ms. Marvel still moved 46k with the #2, plus digital and the trade-waiters.
That's potentially some mad dosh right there.

>>78898023
>I understand not buying retail incentive variants but when it's literally "Just order me this cover, too" they're just being pretentious cunts about it.
It was a 1:25 variant so I can understand them not wanting to order it.

>>78897168
LCS like yours are the cancer destroying comics. I'm sorry, anon.

>>78898024
If that were the case, I don't think Marvel would bother with the free issues thing since sales would still have held steady for 6 issues. It's DEFINITELY a stealth mini, but I think it's more likely to be ~10 issues. 12 seems to be the default these days so they can get two trades out of it.

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>>78897969
Fucking hell

>>78898078
Oh, I didn't know which ones were incentivized and which ones Marvel was being cool about.
Marvel's incentive system is just fucked: order 15% more of Book A to receive incentive covers of unrelated Book B.
At least the 1:25 system makes sense, Marvel's just pulling backstage strings to prop sales numbers up.

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The monthly mourning thread.

>>78897969
I'm mad because Wonder Woman under the Finches and without variants keeping it alive would probably be selling under 20k by now, especially given how it keeps on dropping in between variants. Instead, it continues to hover around 40k.

>>78898121

Marvel just wants to steal King from DC and lock him into an exclusive contract and then do jackshit with him.

On the other hand, as much as I love King, his name is just not selling books the way it should. I think if DC gave him the Lantern or Flash books we'd reach a point where his name would sell books.

Kind of like how Snyder taking over Batman made him selling talent even if his non-Batman stuff is better, or Johns became what he is today by bringing Flash and GL out of the gutter.

>>78898164
Oh yeah, the way they handled the hip-hop variants was some of the dumbest shit ever. I imagine they would have gotten MORE sales if the way to get them wasn't a fucking labyrinthine mess.

>>78897883
Give Harley variant to Justice League = 8k more sales
Give Harley variant to low selling C-list title = maybe 2k more sales

>>78898254
If King doesn't take over Flash, WW, or GL, especially after Omega Men ends, then DC really doesn't deserve him

>>78898282
He needs to be on GL fucking yesterday

>>78898254

That's what bothers me the most about Vision. It's a great book and King's a great writer, but it's glaringly obvious that it's all part of a ploy to snatch King away from DC. Marvel has shown, especially in recent years, that it doesn't know how to consistently handle good talent. People stagnate with them.

>>78898254
On one hand, King needs a high profile book to get his name out there. On the other hand, I think King is kinda... too good for high profile books? Like, he's the kinda writer you don't want to saddle with a bunch of editorial mandated shit which is par for the course when dealing with a-listers.

Regardless, I would LOVE to see King on Green Lantern and/or Captain America.

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>All New X-Men #1 81,342
>All New Inhumans #1 58,123

>Extraordinary X-Men #3 56,100
>Uncanny Inhumans #3 43,036

>>78898340

I think that's why Flash would be better for him than Green Lantern.

He's an A-List character but he comes with zero baggage because DC has never tried to give his extended family much.

He'd never have to carry a Flash crossover or event, he'd never have to hold back on his plots because the other Flash book is doing something, he'd never have to rush through his story because there's a big Flash-line crossover. He can just write The Flash.

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>>78898393
>my shitty books sell better than your shitty books

>>78898340
yeah King works well because he's not too tightened by editorial mandates. at DC the Batman Offices are the only ones with looser editorial going on, but other areas are still pretty strict.

>>78898340
What about King doing Winter Solder?
I have a feeling King could tell a better story with Bucky than he could with Steve or Sam.

I'm hoping ANI doesn't have much of a drop off. I'm liking it so far.

>inb4 stop liking shit or stop liking what I don't like

>>78898429
It should be great for Inhumans fans that their Inhumans-are-the-new-mutants forced meme is a failure.

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>variants
>Diamond monopoly
>digital sales not being available
>digital prices being the same as print
Why is this goddamn industry so fucking retarded and when will it get unfucked?

>>78898340
This desu

I don't want him on GL because naturally they'd try to force crossovers and editorial shit on it.
Flash or Wondy would be ideal if you didn't want that happening since they don't have a family of books.

>>78898448
One of King's fave characters is Cap.
He's up there with Dick on King's list.

>>78897969
This fucking book is invincible.

>anything by Abnett
>actually selling
Holy shit.

>>78898254
King just needs a flagship title to sell his name. Then even trades of his past books like Omega men, Vision and Sheriff of babylon will start selling.

>>78898282
Fuck you cunt.
>hurr only A list titles matter
eat a dick

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>>78897377
>Hercules dropped to 20k
Aw dammit

>>78898507
they wouldn't give him Cap unless he signed a deal and right now Sam is in the role instead of Steve anyway

>>78898551
You sound mad, buddy

>>78898507
Doesn't WW belong to Superman office now?

>>78898437

That's because they all got fucked over by the early New 52 stuff so the editorial started to back down a bit. They had to stop every five seconds and write arcs centered around the main Batbook versus what they wanted to do. Nightwing really started to get better when he moved to Chicago and started an entirely new status quo, and Batgirl was still depressing as shit but at least it was finally starting to feel like its own book. I can't say I know what happened behind the scenes but I think Gail quitting around the Death of the Family crossover seems to be what put a stop to that shit.

>>78898317

The Omega Men revival just reeks of a war starting over him and I do think DC is going to win out in the end. Which partially saddens me even if I am a DCuck because I really love Vision and I'd like to see him do a Winter Soldier or SHIELD book.

>>78898429
>using pic of a mutant
of course

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>>78898573

>>78898551

When it comes to talent of King's levels than yeah. He needs an A-list character to raise his name up as a writer.

>>78898546

The only thing I've ever read by the guy is that awful Transformers miniseries he did and it's scared me off of ever giving anything else a shot. The thing was just offensively terrible.

>>78898507
Not wanting CIA in space.
GL is selling better than Flash inspite Flash having a TV show now.

>>78897419
>>78897361
all new inhumans is recycling old x-men plots but without any of the conflict because inhumans are cool and loved and whatever.
uncanny is doing its own inhuman story with family drama thrown in.

>Black Knight #2 still hanging in there at 22K

Not bad

>>78898637
Doing a good job on an A list character doesn't automatically make you a huge name, especially if you write things too complicated for the sheep to follow.

>>78898639

GL is also a better quality book.

Which is not saying much.

>>78898577
There is no "Superman office". It's just JL titles and extra titles like Starfire split between some group editors. But yes Wonder Woman is under Berganza who is the group editor for Superman too.
Batman is the only family of books and then some to have their own office under one group editor.

>>78898578
Vision will be killed by the upcoming civil war.

>>78897619
>>78897702
I'm sure that's what they're aiming at with Vision
>>78897615
it needs some controversy to get people to talk about it

>>78898677

More often than not it does. It's how good writers get noticed most of the time. A-listers are what most people read young mong.

>>78898729
>Berganza
>edits the worst books
>is responsible for the Pakistanian shit
How does he still have a job?

>>78898777
I'm pretty sure there's a rumor where he has dirt on some higher up. Harras seems to be the popular choice.

>>78898777
He legitimately has blackmail.

>>78898650
both of them are recycling x-men.
uncanny basically made Ahura a lame Stryfe rip-off.

>>78898766
>A-listers are what most people read
Yes, a lot of people are characterfags and buy certain titles regardless of the creative team. That's my point.

>>78898650
When did the x-men go to not korea?
>without any of the conflict because inhumans are cool and loved and whatever
Not true at all, The Inhumans get heat from other nations and shield. It just isn't super racism like muggas get.

>>78898801
What do they have in common?

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I like threads like this.

We're united in our sadness instead of shitposting eachother into oblivion. Kinda like those Fant4stic threads when everyone was united in hatred and glee at it flopping.

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>spidergwen selling better than silk
suck it /co/ stop trying to force that shitty
>"S-silk is g-good! and it looks cute" meme

>>78898650
Isn't being unable to survive in earth's atmosphere and being forced to move an Inhumans plot line?

>>78898868
>scar on the left eye
>both are insane
>both of them hate their dads
>both of them send in time
>both of them raised by megalomaniac
the only thing that differentiates them is that Ahura didn't release a legacy virus to destroy inhumans

>>78898777
>How does he still have a job?
Literally blackmail. One of the worst kept secrets in the industry is the fact that Berganza has some kinda dirt on a high-up DC executive, so they can't fire him. Instead they just try and quarantine him by keeping him in male-only offices and out of the public spotlight. When there's controversy, they just demote him to a less visible position but they never/can't fire him because if they do, he'll release whatever dirt he has.

>>78898929
also both of them became older than their dads

>>78898929
>Ahura didn't release a legacy virus to destroy inhumans
Instead he went through time, strategically attacking people and places at the exact moments necessary to wipe out inhumans from the timeline.

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>>78897922
>>78898009
here have this

>>78898975
not the same, but very similar, yeah

Any rumors of what kind of dirt? What could possibly be so damaging that they can't fire him after all those blunders and the accusations of sexual harassment?

Does Didio diddle kids or something?

>>78898886
Yeah, /co/'s current userbase may love their console wars but at least we can all set that aside to complain about how bad books sell and good books fail.

>>78899012
Meant for >>78898939

>>78898890
This thread proves that people buy crap and don't buy books we like.

>02/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 278,575
>03/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 107,070 (-61.6%)
>04/15 spider-Gwen #3 - 102,234 (- 4.5%)
>05/15 Spider-Gwen #4 - 86,586 (-15.3%)
>06/15 Spider-Gwen #5 - 67,697 (-21.8%)

>10/15 Spider-Gwen #1 - 197,103
>11/15 Spider-Gwen #2 - 62,209 (-68.4%)

>Spider-Gwen 3 54,844

Hmm

>>78899048
>5 issues
Don't say they relaunched after 5?

>>78898894
...

Huh. Yeah, you're absolutely right. "Earth's atmosphere makes us sick and our original home has been destroyed, so now we need to find a new place to live" is like one of two Inhumans plotlines that gets recycled over and over.

>>78899069
They did.

Same with Howard the Duck, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, and a couple more I can't remember.

Fun fact, we got news of Hawkeye relaunching after five issues before Fraction's last Hawkeye issue came out.

>>78898975
And the only reason he failed is because Beast saved them.

Had he just kept his mouth shut for another 10 minutes then all the inhumans would have been completely wiped from the 616 timeline, thus causing the T-bomb to not have gone off and thus saving the mutant race.

Beast literally had the opportunity to save the mutant race at the cost of the quick and painless erasure of the inhumans and he DIDN'T DO IT.

I don't care about the Mutants vs. Inhumans shitflinging, but I think we can all agree that Beast is the fucking worst.

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>Invincible Iron Man #4 - 57,639

Just wanted to tell this "man of vision" and all those Bendis haters that think they know so much to eat shit.

>>78899069
Everything got a new #1 and the best part is that it blew up in Marvel's face, everyone treated the #1s like they were just regular issues and they also lost some of their newer fans who either decided this would be a good time to stop buying comics or were confused/annoyed by the renumbering.

>>78898254
>>78898340
>>78898549
marcel should give King the Inhumans and give him free reign to do whatever he wants with them.
the worst can happen is that they remain as unpopular as they are now. On the other hand he might succeed in making them interesting and turn them into a flagship title.
They are a bit more high profile than vision or omega men so it should help sales, and marvel could just stir up some controversy to get peopel to talk about them

>>78899106
Speaking of Hawkeye, I find it really funny how Marvel is trying really hard to immitate the Fraction/Aja style and completely failing.

That run did so well because it was something fresh and different at the time. They should realize that it's better to do something innovative and different with a new run instead of copying earlier ones.

>>78899151
57k is low for an apparent face of ANAD Marvel, not to mention that he is outsold by Deadpool and Spider-Man and he barely sells more than X-books

>>78899196
yeah, because that worked so well for Soule

>>78899196

Marvel needs to stop poaching talent from DC.

>>78899196
Yeah, just what we need, the x-fags going on a "Fuck Tom King" shitposting spree.

>>78899196
Fuck no. The Inhumans franchise is editorially micromanaged, they're taking them in a different direction(but not so different since they're like X-men now) and it sucks. If this were the old Inhumans I'd be all for it.

>>78899284
This. They need to go out and find up and coming talent like DC does, not look in DC's yard and try to get people from there to mow their lawn too.

>>78899012
I've heard Berganza caught a higher up having sex with one of Berganza's exes in the office.
No idea if that's true but that seems easy enough and life destroying enough.

>>78899151
#4 owes the boost to probably the most significant Spidey character

>>78898801
>>78898841
I mean alad inhumans are dealing with people with superpowers popping up in varion nations and them protecting them and protecting the nations all the while dealing with hate and bigotry. That's a typical x-men theme, but it falls flat in anad inhumans because at the end of the day they are loved and have the collaboration of earth nations.

On the other hand UI are timetraveling chasing after a madman and their son turned crazy and evil. Of course people are more interested in uncanny.

Doesn't Marvel and DC make most of their money off of merchandise? Do their main source of revenue really come from sales of individual issues?

>>78899341
what makes thing spicier is that in issue #1 Frenzy basically played the ebil mutant because "cure" for terrigen mists.

really, it's basically impossible for me to not root with muties, and I used to ignore them

>>78898929
Ahura isn't crazy the rest is true. Does stryfe really count as a son isn't he a clone of cable?

>>78899116
Pretty sure he intended to spare Black Bolt because he was waiting for him to show up.

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>spiderman 2099 that low
can the most based spider and his sidekick come back now?

>>78899420
weren't there multiple ahuras in uncanny inhumans?

>>78899286
that's why I said
>give him free reign
Otherwise it's pointless.
>>78899285
I'm an x-fag but I would read an inhuman book written by tom king.
Really the only problem with the inhumans is that marvel is trying to have them replace the muties. If they let them be their own thing nobody would complain.

>>78899420
ahura inherited insanity from maximus, his uncle

Secret Wars is still ending this Wednesday?

>>78899467
Nope, those where all projections.
>>78899495
Luna cured him. Somehow it worked for him even though it didn't for Maximus.

>>78897136
>>78896052
Surprise ,people like to start at the beginning of things.

>>78899543
and some people like to finish at the beginning of things as well

>>78899444
Nah, Miggy's book will steady out around 30k. Kaine is gone, unless we get Yost back

>>78897534
I don't understand your post?

You say word of mouth doesn't matter, all that matters is...word of mouth?

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>>78899341
>protecting the nations all the while dealing with hate and bigotry.
Did you even read it? They don't help non Inhumans. They only got cooperation by vilifying mutants and playing the victim. Shield let them into sin kong to spy on the not koreans.

>>78899389

No but it gives a lot of people jobs and it'd be easy for Disney and WB to say at some point "Why keep making comics? Batman/Spider-Man/whoever have enough for reprints and they're going to make merch money anyway lets stop this shit" so sales are pretty important.

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>>78898427
I want to live in your beautiful dream, anon.

>>78899626
anyone who co-operates with shield is basically a villain. just read Captain Falcon.

AHAHAHAH

>4 Batgod books dominating in the top 10

>No Spiderman or any solo marvel hero

>gave tmnt a 100k+ boost

>Killing joke 2 issues start in 2017

>Bvs variant and bbt variant will only increase all dc issues

Give up haha you will never stop batman, can't wait till bvs comes out

>>78898578
I bet Orlando could do a good Winter Soldier book, he loves Russian shit

>>78899467
Same one at diffent points in his life.
>>78899495
The Genetic Council was right.

>>78899626
they protect the nations by taking care of potentially dangerous inhumans.

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You can't stop the batgod.
DC will only rise

>>78899659

Marvel is doing so well right now because of Star Wars. Otherwise both companies are preforming about the same.

Did Star Wars ever do this well under Dark Horse?

>>78899777
>Did Star Wars ever do this well under Dark Horse?
No

>>78899777
how long until they crossover SW with 616??

>>78899777
checked for truth

>>78899777

The fact that Disney has the money to aggressively market the comic series helps. Aside from that movie they made.

Is Tom King the best writer at DC right now?

>>78899912
Until he does something we don't like then he will have always sucked

>>78899869

I'd say focusing solely on the marketable characters surely helped to.

>>78899635
I'm not saying that issue sales are unimportant, I'm just saying, a lot of people here think that Marvel/DC/Dark Horse whatever will "die" if their sales continue to decline. Obviously they won't, but of course it isn't good for them if their sales single issue sales drop, but it's not the end of them.

Tpb's must also be a pretty big source of income for them. In many countries outside of USA and Canada, Tpb's are the most easily available for any given comic book.

>>78899196
Seems like a good idea.

>>78899912
>Is Tom King the best writer with the least editorial oversight at DC right now?
Fixed and yes.

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>Starbrand and Nightmask fucking dead on arrival

JUST
U
S
T

>>78899912
Yes, and by far. At both Marvel and DC

>>78899285
Kylefags already do this. And John Stewart fags (because of the Darkseid War one-shot). And Jason Todd fags (because he writes him better than Lobdell, and Jasonfags can't accept that)

>>78900020
All small groups compared to xfags.

>>78900020
And Dickfags and those that think Omega Men is racist

>>78900065

And most of them aren't here on /co/.

Most of us are crying for him to take over Jason's book because of how likable he is under King's pen.

>>78899988
How do we save Greg?

>>78900011
Orlando is good too

>>78900077

>and those that think Omega Men is racist

I haven't read Omega Men yet what exactly was racist?

>>78900124

We can't save him from being overambitious Anon. It's not humanly possible. He will forever get in over his head as a writer.

>>78898437
Omega Men is edited by Andy Khouri (who also edits Martian Manhunter, Constantine The Hellblazer, New Suicide Squad, and Doctor Fate).

>>78900110
don't underestimate how salty x-fags can be

>>78900147
The N word was used twice

>>78900147
They're space terrorists and those people reached very far

>>78900147
They think it's Islamophobic because terrorism and that making Kyle say a Catholic prayer in Spanish makes him a racial stereotype

>>78900202
This explain that those are actually good for the most part

>>78900139
He's great too, but King has more number of great books for now.

>>78900264
>>78900273
That makes no sense.

>>78900110
But the Jasonfags on CBR and ComicVine are crying that "OMG JASON DRINKS THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE!" and acting as if Lobdell's Jason is so mature and well-adjusted

>>78900301

King on GL, and Orlando on Flash.

Who takes over Wondy /co/?

>>78900361
Valentine

>>78897190
This is your fault, /co/.

>>78900361
Valentine.

Or Snyder since I want to see how he shoehorns Joker in there.

>>78900361
Del rey for wondy.

>>78900317
People can nitpick anything they dislike to death whether it makes sense or not

>Batman Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 DC/IDW
Fixed.

>>78900373

Why can't this be a reality? That's the perfect setup.

>>78900361
Snyder or Del Rey.

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>>78900395
It'd only be worth it if he paid homage to this scene.

>>78900373
>>78900395
Going by her Catwoman, what about putting her on Green Arrow?

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>>78900317
>Omega Men is Islamophobic because space terrorism
>Midnighter is straightwashing because he's not with Apollo in the new book
>Grayson promotes sexual assault because Dick is naked sometimes and people find him attractive
SJW types are not exactly the brightest of the bunch, to be fair.

>>78900396
>>78900426
As in Vanessa Del Rey on art? Or do you guys mean Renae de Liz?

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>Blatant attempt to make money off BvS hype
>debuts at 29K

>>78900472
I meant De Liz, the one writing the digital. I didn't remember her name and the other anon's answer confused me.

>>78900373
I would love her on Batwoman, but Wonder Woman makes sense to raise Valentine's profile. Unfortunately, I think she's pretty much done with comic writing after BRE.

>>78900361
Orlando on Wondy

>>78900502
What?

>usa
>land of comics
>50k is considered a great number
wtf seriously, how can this industry still exist with so low numbers.

>Justice League sales 10k from issue #46 to #47

Based Johns

>>78900527
Rucka convergence the question gave hope i know it will never happen

>>78900568
More like based Harley Quinn variant

>>78900461
No.

>>78900317
Neither do the people who hate King

>>78900538
Ip farms.

>>78900527

That'd be really upsetting honestly. She's a great writer and I'd really love for her to get a big book like Wonder Woman or Batwoman.

>>78898507
Eh, I think people just think that cause of JOhns' run, which was just a fucking insane success. For most of GL's history, he's been totally solo, and even right now there's only a mini and a villain series aside from the solo book. Plus King has already proven he can write a fucking amazing Hal, whereas we have no idea how his Barry and Diana are.

>>78900538
DC and Marvel comics are just small fractions in Disney and Tim Warner. Hell they're small fractions in DC Entertainment.

They're IP farms. Image, Vertigo, etc are basically there to be movie/tv pitches half the time now.

>>78900527
>I think she's pretty much done with comic writing after BRE.
Did she say something like that? It's a shame, she's good at comics writing

>88 Captain America White 5 $3.99 Marvel 29,600
>89 Captain America Sam Wilson 4 $3.99 Marvel 29,512

Why sabotage your own character?

>>78897680
Kek, I'm happy this book is failling.

Yes, I'm triggered because they made him straight

>>78900627
They should just put her on Batman. Snyder's time is out, and DC can boast about putting a woman on their top comic.

>>78900709
All Alonso had to do was say nothing, they could've made him straight and no one would've ever knew. Hell the fact he has a male friendship would mean people would assume they were fucking.

>>78900686
She hasn't said anything.
Not whether she's leaving or if she has a new book coming up.

But it's pretty clear by >>78897190 that 4 or 5 books are gonna get cancelled in just a few months and perhaps some more books are gonna get new teams. If she doesn't have something then, then she's probably done.

>Outside of Spiderman and Deadpool, Whor is Marvels best selling solo hero ongoing

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>>78900709
But anon, being homosexual in ancient Greece usually meant pic related. Marvel is not yet ready to add this to its agenda.

>>78900777
Star wars but that a different story.

>>78900731
I'd read it

>>78900709
Retarded move by Marvel, but I can't resist all that bara goodness. Still reading it for the beefcake.

>>78900777
It makes me want to read classic Thor, not only Simonson's run but also any run with male hetero Thor. So... thanks Marvel?

>>78900731
Snyder/Capullo is a huge part of why batman sells actually.

Put her on Detective Comics.

>>78900686
Just a gut feeling. She's a novelist and writes reguarly for the AV club, so it seems like she has plenty of other career paths.

>>78900731

Why change Batman's talent when it's their number 1 selling title? Put her on Batwoman, Wonder Woman or Supergirl. Hell put her on Flash or Green Lantern and let her grow to fame on one of those guys. They all need new talent, and they're all essentially A-Listers except maybe Batwoman but she's at least pretty popular and in need of good talent.

Her Catwoman should have been reset to number 1 like Batgirl. Not really to get the number 1 boost but because those titles both had bad blood attached to them and they needed that fresh start to tell new fans it was okay to read now.

>>78900860
I wonder how long Snyder's comics writing class for DC lasts? A semester? I bet we'll get some newly minted Snyderlings on DC books by the end of the year

>>78900905
>Her Catwoman should have been reset to number 1 like Batgirl.
Batgirl kept the numbering on monthlies, although they did renumber the trades

>>78900905
>one of DC's most critically acclaimed books
>starts at Volume 6, with five notoriously panned volumes in front

>>78900930
I bet he will get a wonder woman book by 2017.

>>78900930
Nice hateboner, anon. Where did it come from?

>>78900961

Exactly. Catwoman was considered the absolute worst of the reboot and even when it caught small breaks it never was able to shake that reputation. It needed a clean start for her run.

>All New All Different Avengers #2 - 70k

Should be higher, it's a solid line-up

>Batwoman,
>Supergirl.
These books have a history of being near/in the cancellation zone


>Wonder Woman
>Flash
>Green Lantern
These books have pretty much found their floor, should be selling better but no one knows how to write them
They're books to make your name off

>>78901019
Supergirl got cancelled selling 26k.

>>78900905
The renumbering thing is stupid. It just assures new readers that there are no jump in points without a #1.

>>78901019
You'd think Supergirl would have more brand appeal now, but DC's deathly afraid to publish anything with Supergirl despite back issues doing well in shops. It took a lot of strong-arming for them to even put out a digital comic, and even then, they're not bothering with print issues.

>>78901036
And that Supergirl digital mini isn't gonna sell too hot with it being about the show and being biweekly.

>>78901036

And Batwoman's drop into the cancellation zone came from the creative team switch and the not letting her get married controversy didn't it?

Her trades were hardcover up until the team switch so that has to say something sales-wise.

Also Supergirl's problem is she hasn't had a strong run since Peter David wrote her in the 90s.

>>78901105
None of the other CW digital comics sell like crazy, anon.

>>78901063
Speaking of renumberings

Ms Marvel got a raw deal, it was quite an accomplishment for her series to hit 19 issues with healthy sales and now she's back down #1, could've beaten Carols record 50 issue run with the mantle

>>78901063
Renumbering in the middle of a writer's run is stupid, especially if the relaunch is in the same year as the start of the run

Renumbering to give a new writer a fresh start and a chance to disassociate themselves from a notoriously awful run is a good move

>>78901137
I don't think a marvel book will get to 50 issues ever again.

>283 Island 5 $7.99 Image 6,422
I guess gay furry isn't the future of comics after all, huh?

They should put Johns, Snyder, Orlando, Seeley on more books. Are they even writing anything else?

>Aquaman - 20,251

..how?

>>78901137
Blame Marvel relaunch tactics.

>>78901194

Johns is pretty busy running the TV department right now.

>>78901215
The "fans" who sent death threats to Bunn and readers.

>>78901159
Yeah there is a massive difference between relaunching 5 issues in with the same direction/creative team and relaunching after 3+ years with a different direction/creative team.

Catwoman and Batgirl could've both used a relaunch and would've been fine by me desu

>>78901215

Bunn ran all the good faith Johns built up into the ground. Maybe the next guy will pick sales back up.

>>78901215
Bunn and editorial really ran that book into the ground.

Which is a shame because he had like 3x the sales with Johns on it and 2x the sales with Parker on it.
Rise of the 7 Seas had better save it.

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Why do all the good books not sell?
Why does the shit sell?
Why do people have shit taste?

>>78901265
It was an editorial clusterfuck. I heard that they wanted him to kill Mera, and he didn't want to do it.

>>78901194
Seeley will do Suicide Squad, Orlando is writing a Bulk & Skull story for Boom Studios's Power Rangers.

They should put Valentine on something too, she doesn't do anything right now.

>>78901265
>Bunn ran all the good faith Johns built up into the ground
what happened?

>>78901122
No, Batwoman wasn't selling well way before the creative team change.

>>78901194
Snyder has his creator-owned stuff (American Vampire, Wytches)

Seeley has Revival, and New Suicide Squad coming up

Not sure what else Orlando has outside of Midnighter, and occasional issues of BRE

>>78901297
God has abandoned us.

>>78901265
>Maybe the next guy will pick sales back up.
impossible, can only get it up to 30-40k

what johns does/did isn't easy

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>>78901317
>Seeley will do Suicide Squad

>>78897394
Good, that book and Bunn deserves it for being so shit.

Shit, it's gonna outlive books of much higher quality anyway like Omega Men and Martian Manhunter, and to me that is very sad.

>>78901364
Can they bring Ostrander back to DC? Please?

>>78900697
>>88 Captain America White 5 $3.99 Marvel 29,600
>>89 Captain America Sam Wilson 4 $3.99 Marvel 29,512

Racism desu

>>78901344
Give Orlando a Shazam ongoing, god knows Billy needs one. I really liked his Darkseid War one-shot.

Or put him on Aquaman, he said he'd love to write for the character.

>>78901375
So you sent him death threats, huh?

>>78901215
There were no variants for it this month, which probably accounted for the dip in sales.

Variants play a big part in inflating a book's number, it's why Green Arrow was as high as it was this month.

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>Star-Lord 26,348

Not sure what I find more amusing, that Marvel thought there was demand for a Starlord book because the movie did well or that turning him into Chris Pratt alienating the fans he did have was a good move

>>78901444
Bunn's not worth the effort in time and rage for death threats to me.

>>78901122
Batwoman's sales weren't very high before the marriage controversy.

It turns out letting a c-lister not be apart of crossovers makes sales drop.
Nightwing and Batgirl were around Batwoman's sales when the New 52 kicked off, but those two managed to stay afloat more due to CoO and DOTF tie ins. Batwoman just kept dropping with each issue.
She ended up having respectable sales around 25k by #24.

>>78901344
I thought they both ended?

>>78901487
Tell that to the judge, "fan."

>>78897190
As always, the few DC books I like tend to be the ones getting the axe.

>>78901194
They even have Jeff Parker since his Batman 66 has ended.

>>78901418
Jeff Parker will be good on Shazam as well, judging by his convergence mini. Johns should let go the orange ring.

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>>78895946

Nice to see so many Batman titles in the top ten. DKIII needs that #1 spot. Do your duty!

kek at the SJW marvel titles. Sam Wilson at 89. Marvel on suicide watch. It would seem going for political correctness over marketability and the invisible hand of supply and demand is going to be the death of Stan Lee's old company.

>>78900983
What hateboner? I want to see some new faces on DC books

>>78897190
>currently reading or tradewaiting 8/10 of those

Fuck me with a rake

>>78895946
Anyone know why Marvel didn't do the 2 issue/1 month release thing for Starbrand and Nightmask?
It seemed to help get a lot of the ANAD stuff out there and started, this title really could've used that.

>>78897190
>Doctor Fate 11,954
Nice story, awful, awful art

>Justice League 3001 13,979
I wish I liked it

>Secret Six 14,663
None of the charm of the original
Stop forcing Black Alice

>Catwoman 15,038
why is this bitch so hard to write compared to other Batbooks?

>Gotham Academy 15,865
nah

>Martian Manhunter 15,962
it's ok

>Sinestro 17,189
I like it, feels more Johns-y than other GL books

>Cyborg 17,864
It's ok

>>78901505
lmao

I feel like I've had this conversation with you before. You must be Bunn's wife.