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Last year around this time a kind anon storytimed Pyongyang - A Journey in North Korea by Guy Delisle.
A biographical comic about a French Canadian Animation director, his life living and working in North Korea for two months. His struggles with the difficulties of outsourcing and the bureaucracy of a totalitarian closed state.
Gather round because the storytime's about to start.
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>>78443639
>Actually takes George Orwell's 1984 with him to NK, the absolute madman.
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>>78443659
They have a new airport now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qik2xFDf58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2thOqRO2i8
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keep it up op, i had a rather shitty christmas
i need something to make me appreciate how fortunate my life is
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>>78443802
>>78443788
I hope it can lighten your mood, even if it's just a little. Who knows things might turn around for the North Koreans too sometime in the future.
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>>78443609
You have good taste anon
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bumping. thanks for storytime OP.
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>>78443847
>>78443841
Merci beaucoup!
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You're doing Kim's work OP, keep it up.
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>>78443918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEbVBZIrAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDJwlUNiJBQ
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I always found it funny how in cartoon credits, they never specifically mention in which Korea it was made.
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>>78443945
>>78443941
Anything for NK's grorious reader
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>>78443958
The real reason these pictures are at a specific angle is not to cut out reflection but that you always have to look up to the glorious leaders.
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>>78443972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlTOga-rTF4
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Keep going op,this is pretty interesting.
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>>78443609
Thanks. Great comic.
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>>78444012
Had a browser crash mid posting,if I disappear mid storytime.. I want you guys to know that/co/ is still love
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>>78444012
>microwaved bread
Goddamit, thats not how toast works!
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>>78443992
All of Guy Delisle's travelogue comics are pretty good, he's done one of his year in Jerusalem and another based on a few months in Shenzhen
Weirdly the Shenzhen one felt more like what I imagined Pyongyang was going to feel like. You don't really think about how restricted China is until you read about how heavily controlled the Shenzhen/Hong Kong border is
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OP could you post a download link at the end of the storytime?
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>>78444202
>>78444199
It's been on my HD for a while but finding a working dl shouldn't be too hard.
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>>78444246
>An additional 5 to 6 million individuals, ignored by the regime, are left to fend for themselves.
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reading bump
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>>78444662
also reading
bump
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>>78443609
Delisle is such a good cartoonist. I loved Shenzhen and Israel. Thanks for the storytime, you're doing good work OP.
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>>78445080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BNN4tlBy-g
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>>78445141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT061eBUV-w
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>>78445149you getting a "at capacity" screen?
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bumpo
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>>78445480
The end! Merry Christmas, hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did!
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>>78445494
nice read, thanks OP
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>>78443609
Funny how global capitalism goes along with totalitarian communism in animation production department.
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>>78445494
Thanks OP, would it be possible to upload it somewhere, as I can't find any working links for this?
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Oy Vey why didn't you pick Jerusalem Chronicle instead?
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Thanks OP; much appreciated.
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Merci, senpai.
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Not op but here, enjoy this comic.
http://www53.zippyshare.com/v/JsuE4cJ9/file.html
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>>78446782
Do you have Shenzhen ?
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>>78447190
Downloading it and Jerusalem right now however my internet is slow as fuck so it probably going to take a pretty long time. I will upload both of them once I get them however if this thread 404 by that time than its going to get posted on next wednesday win-o thread
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>>78445773
>>78446227
OP here, no problem.
>>78445777
As long as it's cheap absolutely nobody really gives a shit where it's made.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/12/23/Human-rights-group-North-Korea-slave-force-earns-Kim-Jong-Un-regime-300M/2971450884994/?src=r
>Human rights group: North Korea slave force earns Kim Jong Un regime $300M
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>>78447255
Thanks, I will wait for that.
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>>78444188
>You don't really think about how restricted China is....
And that's exactly how the Chinese totalitarians want it.
China is the largest and darkest tyranny in history. And it exists right now, while we do nothing about it.
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>>78447488
Have you seen that "game-ification" app that they're making mandatory for citizens that gives you points for how patriotic you are and tracks your activities? It also lowers your score if you associate with people who have a lower score and insufficiently participate in it.
Pretty spooky shit.
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thanks again for posting op
enjoyed reading this last year
intresting book
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This is the worst neo-liberal reactionary shit.
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>>78444819
Motherfucker hates coca-cola?!
DROPPED
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>>78443609
If anyone is wondering what cartoon he went to NK to work on, it's The Bellflower Bunnies.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185090
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>>78447984
It seems like a more honest and fair depiction than what we usually get in the West.
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>>78444473
>it's full of beggars and it isn't very clean
Well he's not wrong.
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>>78447984
Have you red Jerusalem or Footnotes In Gaza from Joe Sacco?
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>>78444202
Hehe that's level 2 in Doom isn't it?
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>We could have gotten a movie made out of this comic but Seth Rogen had to go and piss off North Korea with The Interview
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/steve-carell-s-north-korea-movie-from-guy-delisle-novel-scrapped-after-sony-hack-1.2877462
http://www.guydelisle.com/divers/farewell-hollywood/
In 2001, a few months after my return from North Korea, I was sending the
first pages of my book to the animation studio directors who had sent me
there. I thought that they would be amused to read how life was in
Pyongyang, where their TV series was produced. The reaction was cold, I was
told that I wasn’t allowed to talk about my stay over there and that my
contract had a confidentiality clause that prevented me from publishing a
book on the subject.
I consulted with my editor at the time, L’Association, where I had published
my first albums. Jean-Christophe Menu the director of this small publishing
house really liked the idea and the first pages of the book. We looked for
the confidentiality clause and couldn’t find it. Finally he told me: too bad
if we end up in court, it’s a book we have to do.
Guy Delisle, December 19, 2014
>>78447936
No problem, it's why I did it this year.
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Mother of fuck. I wouldn't last a day.
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>>78444394
>Giving 1984 to your North Korean guide
The absolute madman
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>>78448407
Both Delisle and Sacco are really good. Both tell such interesting stories and really try to give you a feel by explaining tiny details. This is a rare gift.
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>>78448914
No normal person would last in NK, that place is made to break you down until you're nothing more than a husk.
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>>78448920
Dude probably got sent to a labour camp afterwards.
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>>78444468
I read a post on Reddit (!) in some kind of AMA by a North Korean defector and she said that the most overwhelming characteristic of the Western world is that people spoke their minds all the time without even thinking of repercussions. I can't remember the exact words but it was terrifying. It's like everyone is lying to each other all the time.
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>>78443957
Both governments claim sovereignty over the whole peninsula. I'm guessing that putting "North" or "South" in your company's name would undermine that.
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>>78444729
This has been great so far. About to ride to Daytona Beach, got this downloaded and plan to finish it along the way.
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>>78449071
Someone you might think is trustworthy could rat you out for a bowl of rice, but NK is showing a lot of cracks as of late.
Can't find it now but I recall seeing a recent video of a lady rebelling against a army officer for not letting others on a truck because he took the space for himself or something like that.
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>>78449344
Don't read comics and drive!
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it's a good comic and all but I generally hate the main character, everybody is always being nice and good to him but he's always making fun of everything related to their country (because lol it's a regimen! you are supposed to hate that kind of stuff, right?) he has no sense of kindness towards anybody.
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>>78449631
Not true he gave them 1984 and some booze also he isn't mean or anything. He is suprisingly neutral against their propaganda.
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>>78447293
Jerusalem part 1 and 2 (had to split them in halfcause file was too big)
http://www65.zippyshare.com/v/rSPNKxkU/file.html
http://www65.zippyshare.com/v/WQ79yWes/file.html
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Goddamn it. I was kind of nauseated by the end of it. That bit where he sings Bob Marley was great, I could really imagine how eerie it would have been.
Thanks for the storytime, OP
>>78448920
That was fucking brave. If this is all true this man is brave.
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>>78445494
Did the paper airplane made it to the river?
This is a important plot point.
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>>78450150
> This is a important plot point.
Are you suggesting that there is a plot point other than our Glorious Leader?
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>>78449071
>North Korean defector
Was it Yeonmi Park? She's very outspoken about her experiences in NK and escaping from there with her mother, wrote a book and makes a pretty wide lecture circuit. Read up on her if you want another story about just how horrific it is to live there.
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>>78449631
Congratulations for totally and utterly misreading the tone and content of the book. I can only assume your faulty brain's erroneous conclusions are the direct result of a personal, intellectual, or character fault of yours.
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Thank you OP
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>>78450218
>Was it Yeonmi Park?
No idea, sorry. It was a long time ago.
I can't believe how of all things like wealth and food and technology, this person was struck the most by how candid people were when interacting with each other.
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>>78450023
Shenzhen
http://www65.zippyshare.com/v/NGZuEizX/file.html
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>>78447901
Thats not exactly how it works. Its actually supposed to be a uniform credit system because China doesn't have one yet. It tracks loyalty in terms of purchases. This is in response to Chinese traveling abroad, buying up all the foreign merchandise they can find and selling it back to locals at inflated prices. Your score goes up when you buy locally rather than foreign products. It is shady but at this point kinda necessary as a lot of crooks live in China that profit off exploiting others.
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>>78447901
The worst part of sesame credit is that none of us give a shit about it.
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>>78450112
If anyone got in trouble for that it would have been the guide, not him. I'm not saying it was bad for him to do that, but he was endangering someone else with little risk to himself and I dunno if I'd call that brave.
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>>78449631
Uh oh, emotional retard in the thread everybody.
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>>78449631
>>78449631
It's very ironic, and he loves to play along as the falsely naive guy. But I think you totally misread it, he is pretty respectful and kind, he doesn't hate on anything. I would even say that he does not really make fun of the peoples he meets, nor their habits, he does not ridicule them (I dare you to find a page where he ridicules anything), he just describe them with a few funny side notes. If this is mean for you,I don't know what to say to you, aside from leave your hugbox.
Sinon merci bien OP ! J'ai découvert Guy Delisle avec ce bouquin il y a quelques années et je n'avais jamais eu l'occasion de jeter un œil a la traduction anglaise, merci pour l'upload !
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>>78448047
If I had to live in NK AND work on that I might have killed myself
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>>78448914
Same
I'm way too sarcastic for that shit
the page where he has to bow to a terrible wax statue of GREAT LEADER made me really think that I couldn't last, I would have laughed out loud.
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>>78450635
We're social animals
Communicating is the most important thing to us, and to undermine that is to undermine what makes us human. And to live in fear of being human isn't life at all.
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>>78451042
Well, he does ridicule the musuem attendants and the singing assistant, but mostly only people who are actively feeding their fellow people the bullshit
But most of the time he knows that they're just doing what they can
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>>78450112
It does seem like a eerie location especially if you're staying there for your job.
Things seem to be going down around NK again this year what with a Canadian pastor being sentenced for life of hard labour.
>He is the only Western citizen known to be held currently in North Korea.
>>78450430
Cheers!
>>78451042
>Sinon merci bien OP ! J'ai découvert Guy Delisle avec ce bouquin il y a quelques années et je n'avais jamais eu l'occasion de jeter un œil a la traduction anglaise, merci pour l'upload !
No problem, it was my pleasure to storytime it. I only discovered it when it was storytimed last year so I thought I'd do the same this year, what do you think of its translation to English?
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He seems pretty douchey to me. I've read a few things of his, it's not just North Korea, everywhere he goes he has a self-absorbed mediocrity air about him and can only seem to hold a fascination in a foreign land in so much as he can perceive it as being backwards (he's plenty respectful of individuals, but not at all of their culture).
I think it just comes with the territory of wanting to write from your own perspective. I thought the writer of Maus came off as a lame jerk. Both of them are just lucky they have interesting things and people to write about because neither seem like interesting people or interesting writers. At least Spiegelman had the sense to downplay his role as much as he could manage, becayse Delisle really puts way too much of his day-to-day who-gives-a-crap into it.
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>>78447488
>And it exists right now, while we do nothing about it.
Mostly because we can't do anything about it.
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>>78451454
>self-absorbed mediocrity air
What does this even mean?
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>>78445777
After the Bolshevik revolution, when Lenin opened the doors to foreign investors, European and American capitalists were stepping over each other to make money in Russia, despite their governments asking them not to.
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>>78451500
yeah, part of it is that China is actively propping them up and supporting the regime, and the other part is HOLY SHIT THEY HAVE NUKES AND THEIR LEADER IS FUCKING INSANE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY USE THEM
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>>78449071
I never speak my mind on 4chan because I'm afraid of being called a Redditor.
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>>78451831
They were talking about China in those posts, not Nork. Nork exists as China's smokescreen: their human rights violations don't seem as bad as Nork's.
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>>78451867
Ah yeah, I see.
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>>78450635
North Koreas aren't near as ignorant of western technology as you might think. There's a cheap usb-based media player called a notel that fairly common in north korean households. Western TV shows get smuggled across the border from china on thumb drives and then passed around. The regime even legalized them a while back, or at least they stopped sending people to the camps for having them.
North korans know about iphones and shit, they just don't have any chance to acquire them.
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>>78450661
Thanks alot.
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>>78451867
>Their human rights violations don't seem as bad as Nork's.
The video of that poor malnourished girl in the ricefields that lost her parents still haunts me. >>78444284 These statistics are no joke.
>In 2010 North Korea offered to hold an inter-Korean summit and issue an apology over the deadly torpedo attack on a South Korean warship IF Seoul... gave it half-a-million tons of rice.
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>>78443695
kek, what a baby.
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>>78452157
They weren't talking about phones, they were just amazed we are so able to say so much shit about each other and not have to worry about getting reported to some official due to seditious thoughts.
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>>78443722
Fuck me, I have an Alcatel phone.
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Is the author a Quebecer who now has integrated to the french culture or is it hte other way arround?
C'est rare que des Québecois vont s'exiler en France.
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>>78451417
The translation is really good in my opinion, really captures well the spirit of the original text. They used a lot of transparent sentences so Guy Delisle's way of speaking transcribes really well in English.
But I'm french so I'm not that good at spotting the potential small clumsy choices of words in English ! Anyway it felt natural reading it in English.
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>>78452651
He's from Québec, but I don't think that he lives in France. He seems to go around quite a lot, his wife works for Doctors without Borders
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>>78443862
I personally would have gone for a book about something I wasn't living in.
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>>78445253
Man this guy is really pushing it. Guides and translators are not the people you want to piss off they can sandbag you
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>>78451838
Kek
> anon you filth degenerate xD
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>>78450222
This. Anon must be a kind of person that thinks Orwell's Animal Farm was a prequel to Babe
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>>78449631
>American detected
Seriously, the guy's Canadian. There are no mean Canadians.
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>>78450179
> grorius reader
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>>78452764
This is my first exposure to Guy Delisle and I thought this was originally in English. I had no idea it was a translation from French; and I'm a native English speaker!
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>>78453929
Well, French Canadian.
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>>78453821
We're not all like that idiot.
Hell, his defense of the North Korean system would be considered blatantly un-American depending on where you are.
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>>78450150
That would have made a nice ending shot for the movie that will never get made now because of Sony getting hacked by NK over Seth Rogen's The Interview
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>>78444390
To be fair, the Bush part is true.
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>>78447984
>This is the worst neo-liberal reactionary shit.
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>>78443609
this is a dank comic
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>>78452328
I was afraid he wouldn't mention how fucked so many citizens are in NK, but that page didn't disappoint.
It's even worse that political prisoners are still given more food than 5-6 million people. He made a point to illustrate that Pyongyang is as clean and healthy as it is strictly because of its privileged population, and that the city doesn't reflect the country as a whole.
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>>78443609
It was decent, but I thought Without You There is No Us was better.
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>>78444310
I seem to remember that PB&J Otter was bad about inappropriate smiling, even to the point where the characters' eyes would look worried while they had shiteating grins at the same time.
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>>78454846
see >>78448786
It wouldn't happened anyhow, NK government hates anything that doesn't present them as the best and greatest nation in the world.
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>>78455067
It's a real thing, Korean animators tend to over exaggerate what they're given.
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>>78455224Both of those posts are mine.
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>>78444188
>Jerusalem
Any chance that one can get storytimed?
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>>78455358
It's the only way they can really express themselves, I'd imagine.
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>>78444394
>8 years NK
>Then back home to Lybia
>which is a war torn shithole now
Sucks to be him.
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>>78443725
>Luckily I've had practice being alone.
Is North Korea for me?
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>>78444464
L-lewd
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>>78456487
You could always book a tour, you'll only ever see Pyongyang though.
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>>78444873
That hotel is never going to get finished
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Did this guy work at the same studio that they used to make the Legend of Korra?
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>>78457429
No, but literally anything is possible. Nelson Shin has said it himself, quite a few American things have made their way over to SEK Studio
he'd be up a creek if he went into detail as he's got obligations and things to worry about
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>>78444924
>people who walk are literal riffraff and it's a faux pas to willingly prefer walking over a vehicle
>Kim insists that you have to walk 10000 steps a day for your health
You'd think they'd pretend to like walking as much as they pretend to like everything else.
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Would you say the Nazis would be a better dictatorship than what North Korea has?
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>>78458443
I'm not expert but I have the impression that Germans who fit Nazi standards had more rights than a higher-up citizen of North Korea.
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>>78458443
Comparing apples to oranges. Both are shaped by much different sociopolitical contexts and global power struggles and plays.
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>>78457429
You know there's two Koreas right
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>>78459032
Guess which one's the cheapest to have your shit animated by.
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>>78459070
Guess which one isn't actual hell to negotiate with
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Thanks OP, does anyone have any recommendations similar to this?
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>>78459141
Guy DeLisle has written a few other travelogues as people have mentioned in the thread.
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>>78459203
Yeah, I've also read the burma one someone story-timed here. But maybe some other authors too?
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After having read it I can't help but wonder if the book, or at least news of the book, got back to the NK people featured in it. In particular I wonder what happened to his guides. I wonder if anyone got in any trouble for anything that was shown in the book. I mean nothing in it seems particularly offensive to me but if the bar is anything not showing the government as 'the greatest in the world' then who knows?
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why do all these "serious" comics have such shitty art?
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>>78459495
Because they're made by people who can write way better than they can draw.
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>>78444315
Thanks for this story time. Will finish reading tomorrow night.
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ty OP great storytime, just reminds me that north korea is pretty fucked up and will stay that way for the forcible future
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>>78459032
I'm just assuming since North Korea is probably more likely to make low quality trash than the South Korea.
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>>78443978
>A regular
I love little details like this. It may be one of the most psychotic dictatorships in the world, but for this guy it's just where he lives. He's ridden this escalator a thousand times, so why not have a seat on the way down
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>>78445494
Very interesting, thanks OP
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>>78443776
wonder if ankama uses pyongyang
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>>78444846
The hand trimming of grass seems to be common in Best Korea. I guess they have to come up with all types of ways to keep the population occupied.
I once got to read an "I Went Out" thread on another chan by a guy who went to Best Korea. He managed to get all types of pictures and this comic seems to reflects pretty well on the reality there.
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>>78447997
Go back to your diabeetus. Don't you have an obesity industry to support with your passive approval?
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Christ this guy is a dick, constantly endangering the lifes of his bro tier guide and translator and their families so he can behave like a wink wink nod nod stupid child.
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>>78452764
>But I'm french so I'm not that good at spotting the potential small clumsy choices of words in English
Yeah, the one thing that stuck out for me was when they were at the shooting gallery and they used the word "ball" for (presumably) balle instead of "bullet". It made it sound like they were using BB guns rather than actual pistols (which could be the case, but "old russian pistols" made it sound like they were actual weapons)
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The transcription of the Chinese in >>78444109 was the first thing that made me realize it wasn't originally in English.
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>>78455358
Is that Luanne?
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>>78465711
Yes. http://imgur.com/a/PiJLk
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>>78465465
Pretty sure they are actual weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249AIqPpZ2I
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>>78444386
>after seeing what West Germans had to pay
to be fair, German reunification was one long story of terrible planning, political inaptitude and wide spread corruption.
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>>78443717
>Tips: forbidden
Truly paradise on Earth.
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>>78466236
At least it took, after 15-ish years?
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>>78466286
West German states never stopped paying an extra "solidarity" tax for East Germany. Currently they're thinking about potentially reappropriating it to the Syrian refugees. But eastern German states are still not quite on-par with the western ones, which is quite ridiculous after what should have been 25 years of extra tax-fueled economic programs.
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>>78443945
Thanks for the links! And the storytime, too, obviously. I read Delisle's "How To Be A Terrible Parent" book but never bothered with this for some reason, I read a few pages when the last Anon storytimed it but never finished it for some reason. This time I will, though. Thanks again OP!
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>>78448328
agreed. The sights are pretty, but I don't know why everyone sees Paris as the most romantic place on earth or some shit.
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>>78444907
Mongol sounds like an insult
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>>78466236
>>78466330
It alwas takes alot of money and time. Eastern europe is also still poorer than the west. There is no short way.
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>>78466431
No problem, it's a good read and I'll probably storytime it every December.
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>>78447984
>All lies. NK stronk!
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>>78447984
Found the DPRK shill.
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>>78466330
>Currently they're thinking about potentially reappropriating it to the Syrian refugees.
...I would think this would make the east germans lose their shit.
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>>78466729
Plus East Germany was an order of magnitude less hellish than North Korea is.
Reunifying the Koreas would be like trying to integrate somewhere with Haitian levels of poverty into somewhere on parity with Spain, even if you ignore the fucked-up political and social situation.
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>no edgy teenagers bashing the comic and defending norkies because they don't have le sjws
Am I even on 4chan?
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>>78466999
>no edgy teenagers bashing
Some did and you didn't read the thread and you are as obnoxious and unwanted as those people.
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>>78445295
>"Those bastards really know how to squash and stretch!"
kek
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>>78466907
Which might be the point. German politics and especially German media are relatively obviously trying to further sentiments against Syrian refugees. They're trying to be subtle about it but it's pretty visible if you know what you're looking for.
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>>78466764
I really enjoyed it Anon, cheers once more.
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>>78467183
I don't see any german media, but what are you talking about? And in any case, I thought the current government was the right wing, and all the other parties wanted to spend even more on refugees.
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>>78467259
>Conspiracies
The media isn't homogeneous.
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>>78467259
Well, they try to put on a politically correct exterior but the words they usually refer to the current refugee situation are usually "wave" and "flood", obviously comparing them to a natural disaster. Similarly the constant claim that they're "storming" our borders. There's also a large focus on anti-immigration movements while, to this day, I've hardly ever seen any bigger media outlet actually giving the refugees themselves an opportunity to state their point of view, pretty much just portraying them as an abstract force flooding our country rather than actual people. They're also glossing over the frequent attacks on refugee camps which are, arguably, the most worrying case of domestic terrorism that we have seen in a very long time. There have been over 500 attacks in this year alone and no mainstream media outlet even uses the word "terrorism" even though that's clearly what's happening.
Our Minister for the Interior used to claim that "a third of all refugees coming to Germany are using forged passports." while actual studies have proven that it's nor more than eight percent. It's really only our chancellor who used to claim we can take an unlimited amount of refugees and she has been backpedaling on that ever since.
Now, don't think of me as some sort of conspiracy theorist but there does seem to be a push for more nationalism all over Europe and while the rhetoric here in Germany is more moderate than in places like France or effectively all of Eastern Europe but it's still worrying.
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>>78467338
>the most worrying case of domestic terrorism that we have seen in a very long time
I hope you aren't French m8
But its retarded anyway the Media has a very strong Pro-Refugee bias anyone who disagrees with the consensus about how great refugees are gets shouted down and called racist
>inb4 /pol/
I don't browse /pol/ and I think those Nazis fucks are retards
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>>78467367
I will agree that most big media outlets try to project an altruistic image but... well, I stand by what I wrote.
Again, I don't think there's a big conspiracy at hand but I feel like there's a growing sense of paranoia in our population that is being exploited for all it's worth.
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>>78467436
I agree
Its not just paranoia its also whatever you would call what the left feels towards refugees (altruism? maybe) that is being exploited by mass media I don't think its a conspiracy but i think it will lead to division in society which is what the media and the medias owners want
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>>78459495
>What's this garbage? Where are the waifus?
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>>78467461
>I don't think its a conspiracy
>but i think it will lead to division in society which is what the media and the medias owners want
kek, You don't know what conspiracy means
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>>78467554
Its not a conspiracy because it isn't intentional its just something they like the results of
I like it when the sun shines doesn't mean I am in a conspiracy to make sure it shines everyday
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>>78447488
Mostly because "we" actually want the same.
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>>78467543
>....and the over-rendered drawing styles and flashy layouts!
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>>78467567
You can't change the weather but the media could influence the public. If you think the have hidden agendas then you better have proof. I don't see the profit for them.
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>>78444464
I mean, it's almost juche 105, for crying out loud!
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>>78467717
I was waiting for this
Thank you I am finally free
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>>78467729
same here
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holy shit this comic makes me feel weird.
kinda weird as fuck just-weird
this comic is published in my country-worst korea- i should buy this comic book.
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>>78450112
>That was fucking brave. If this is all true this man is brave.
hah, he would be just kicked by Nk if norks gov find the book. but his guide? he could be excuted.
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i hope i will not shoot eachother with these guys.
i'm still reserval force of ROK ARMY,which means i will be conscrited again if they re-start the war
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>>78457429
No Idea, Mir never outsourced to other studios until Book 4 due to budget cuts, Rough Draft uses them however.
>>78463537
No, 99% of what they do is done in house, the other 1% is outsourced to Japan.
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>>78468342
He just got lucky that they weren't aware of Orwell's book at that time, a Canadian pastor is currently facing a life sentence in a NK hard labour camp for providing them with help.. I mean "wanting to overthrow Juche with his religion".
>A North Korean court has sentenced a Canadian pastor to life in prison with hard labour for what it called crimes against the state.
>Hyeon Soo Lim, from the Light Korean Presbyterian Church in Toronto, was given the sentence after a brief trial before the North’s supreme court on Wednesday. He had been in detention since February.
>Relatives of Lim have said he travelled to North Korea on 31 January as part of a regular humanitarian mission where he supports a nursing home, a nursery and an orphanage.
>They said Lim, who is in his early 60s, has made more than 100 trips to North Korea since 1997, and that his trips were about helping people, not political.
>In the video released in August, South Korean-born Hyeon appeared to read from a script as he addressed a sparse congregation at the state-operated Pongsu Church in Pyongyang.
>“The worst crime I committed was to rashly defame and insult the highest dignity and the system of the republic,” he said in the purported confession, posted on a state-controlled propaganda website.
>Other foreigners detained in North Korea and then released have said they were coerced into making similar statements and confessing guilt during their detention.
>North Korea has very strict rules against any missionary or religious activities that it sees as threatening the supremacy of its ruling regime. Merely leaving a Bible in a public place can lead to arrest and severe punishment.
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>>78468452
>>78457429
STOP GIVING THEM MONEY
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>>78468505
How can they become 1 if we don't?
Has SEK ever done anime for Japanese studios?
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>>78468291
Is this comic true from a SK perspective? I mean one guy visiting NK isn't really representative.
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>>78468495
i think mr. lim is just special case, just an example to scare the westeners
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>>78468536
well, that totally dystopian country is quite same as common SK perspective of nk.
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>>78468495
I'm more worried about the guys he left the book with. He even said they had families.
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>>78444386
i am sk but i think it is ok to reunification.
man, i can go europe, mongol and china with train-it is good chance to start a new business
ofcourse we should feed that beggars but it is just matter of time, may be spend several decades for it-but still worth
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>>78444842
actually korean characters in this cartoon is scribbled. i mean it is even not a word...
anyway now i know how yanks see my language.
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>>78444867
>give guide 1984
>ask how was it
damn this man is kurwa
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>>78469130
How is Rough Draft by the way?
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>>78455067
>>78455358
You know, that's really fucked up if you think about it. Their society restricts their social interaction so much that they can't even comprehend basic facial expressions.
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>>78469130
Could be he just copied it poorly from memory or a shitty photograph?
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>>78468854
It would be ok if NK just turned democratic. You could get the benefits but don't have to let everyone in.
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Does "co" knows best Korea best cartoon "squirrel and hedgehog"?
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Recently I had the chance of watching one of the Corto Maltese movies animated in worst Korea. I couldn't concentrate in the plot at all, thinking about this comic and how bad was the animation.
It wasn't that bad, but the soulless motion sure was distracting.
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>>78466959
>Plus East Germany was an order of magnitude less hellish than North Korea is.
It was getting there. North Korea just somehow managed to go way past the point of "we are completely broke and don't know what else to do, please help us, oh god, please help" but still stay in power.
That was the main thing Eastern Germany didn't manage. Eastern Germany at that point was about to get swept away by ever larger uprisings that might've turned really bloody really soon.
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>>78454877
>>>78444390
>To be fair, the Bush part is true.
What, you mean that President Bush called a spade a spade and confronted what is flat-out the worst fucking place on Earth right now?
Seriously, North Korea is worse than fucking sub-Saharan Africa, despite being surrounded by the biggest and richest economic region on Earth.
And the world does NOTHING about that shit? Just looks away? While these Communist bastards create their own private Hell?
Gutless fuckers, every one of you.
I wish to hell we had somebody ELSE like Bush these days.
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>>78466208
>>>78465465
>Pretty sure they are actual weapons.
Now, that's a shooting range.
Or would that be a hunting trip?
So.... Weird.....
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>>78467315
>>>78467259
>>Conspiracies
>The media isn't homogeneous.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Oh, wait, please don't tell you believe that shit.
Okay, a test:
1) When was the last time you saw a serious news story that was sympathetic to the view-point of the pro-life faction?
2) When was the last time you saw a news story that presented the use of firearms by citizens when successfully used in self-defense?
3) When was the last time you saw a news story that presented the downsides of renewable energy?
I can go on but ehn. If those three don't illustrate the point, you're a dedicated kool-aid drinker and it'll be lost on you anyway.
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Completely ignorant assumption here:
Is North Korea only even on the map because it's communist/socialist and to remove it wouldn't be in the best interest of other such countries to weaken the party's presence?
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>>78443776
Wait... THIS Corto Maltese Animation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzyHMB_crk&list=PL1BFwEPj0NVBQmOgmrFzJspnugwU0zfiz
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>>78470942
>Is North Korea only even on the map because it's communist/socialist and to remove it wouldn't be in the best interest of other such countries to weaken the party's presence?
They have missiles pointed at everyone and a culture of religious worship of a defacto monarchy.
They're not removed because the world is patiently waiting for a military coup to remove the Kim family internally.
It's simply better to wait them out.
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>>78470853
>no flat earthers
>no 9/11 truthers
>no moon hoaxers
baaaw, the media is biased.
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>>78471094
For a while I thought it was a matter of China waiting for its neighbor to fuck up so they could take it over without anyone seeing them as the bad guy.
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>>78470853
>3) When was the last time you saw a news story that presented the downsides of renewable energy?
I saw people complain about windmills being unattractive earlier this year.
Which is like a minor downside, but sure.
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>>78443609
>they canned the adaptation for this because of the interview fiasco
Feels bad man.
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>>78443695
To be fair, smoking in a closed space fucking sucks.
Also, just reading this now, OP.
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>>78444712
Poor Kim Sun-Yok. :(
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>>78469895
im pretty sure you cant take pictures in north korea, unfortunately as it is one of the most interesting looking places on earth
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>>78466700
it is in quebec, actually
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>>78466700
>>78472147
"mongoloid" has become another term for retard for some reason.
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>>78471156
>I saw people complain about windmills being unattractive earlier this year.
http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2015/12/15/worker-dragged-by-harness-into-wind-turbine-gearbox/
Just the latest. "Renewable" energy kills hundreds of people every year.
You never see a word about it.
But no worries, the news isn't homogenous! Anybody who thinks otherwise is a flat-earther, or a moon-landing conspiracy nut!
Heh.
The propaganda victory in the "news" is so complete that kids these days never even think to ask questions about what they're watching as gospel truth.
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>>78444284
This comic is scaring me, no joke.
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>>78472556
So what's it like being the CEO of Chevron?
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>>78470223
I remember following that a few years back. I stopped when no episodes came out for like a year. Anyone know if it's still running?
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>>78472556
That's the unintended consequence of wind turbines unfortunately. So what if some people die. Do we ban cars and swimming pools because hundreds of people die from them as well? No, the world keeps going regardless.
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>>78471127
Actually they don't want it to fall because they are afraid that when it does fall millions of refugees will flood their country. With an extra million people that don't apeak your language,can't work because their education is 30 years behind yours, and leech off systems meant for your civilians, your entire society is going to take a hit
Like Europe with its Syrian refugees.
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>>78445046
What do you think happens to disabled NK children? Probably, best not to ponder.
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>>78470620
What's your solution, then? How would you dismantle the DPRK without the death and displacement of millions of Koreans? How would you pay for the economic disruption that would follow?
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>>78472863
They get euthanized or shot
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>>78470942
There's literally no advantage to fucking with North Korea.
If someone were to invade them, they would gain absolutely nothing. They have the worst land and nothing can grow there. Everyone is poor, everyone is brainwashed.
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>>78472556
Because, you know, people never die at oil rigs.
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>>78472996
They do have mineral resources, I think. But yeah, no one thinks that's worth dealing with millions of malnourished and uneducated North Koreans. Or millions of dead South Koreans.
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>Because, you know, people never die at oil rigs.
True fact, the safest kind of energy is nuclear energy. Surprising.
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>>78471094
what/ are you insane? if that was going to happen it would have after Il's death, the simple fact is that china is propping them up, purely just to show the world it can, and millions will suffer for decades as a result, it's fucking awful.
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>>78472863
Even their regular children get shafted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzTC31JA7DY
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>>78445430
lol Dude. Now is not the time.
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>>78469130
>yanks
>French
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>>78473550
>23 years old
>looks like she's ten
Fucking hell that's horrible.
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>>78473441
>china is propping them up, purely just to show the world it can
This is as silly an oversimplification as saying that NK likes to piss off the rest of the world just because it can. States don't work like that, not even the PRC and the DPRK.
China gives NK (limited) support because it believes doing so is in its interests: NK is an ideological ally (at least in name), a counter to Western capitalist supremacy, and a geographical buffer between China and the SK/Japanese/US military. At the same time, NK is a foreign aid burden, a threat to the economic stability of the region, and a source of refugees. China patrols the border with its army.
NK is a shitty friend. But China doesn't have many others.
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>>78459473
Let's hope he changed the names, at least for this travelog. If that even does anything.
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>>78449631
Nah he's trying to be really civil about all this. N.K. is a crazy place. I'm even surprised he has only shown slight hostility to all this.
If you read the comic properly, you would notice how bizarre their life is in N.K. It's a miracle how the author has remained level-headed with only a few jabs for laughs.
Also, they mostly seem nice and good to him because that's their job and they will be punished for not doing their job, or they're doing it so N.K. looks great to the foreigner.
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>>78470223
I pretty much dropped any threads about it after they got overrun by waifufags
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Christ, it's awfully sad to see that there are still people forced to live like animals in an age like this. I wish i could see the day when Dear Leader and his generals judged for their actions against humanity and for their people.
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>>78466700
It's the same as mongoloid in a few languages, so you're not wrong!
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>>78474611
I wish the rest of the world would just admit that Israelis are as evil as the people they fight against, but that's not going to happen.
Somewhat related I went to close a bunch of /pol/ tabs but realized this wasn't actually one of them. Neat.
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Quite frankly, I htink Guy Delisle is a first world arrogant shmuck pretemding to be deep. I read this one and Burma, and his attitude just reeks of western liberal who pretends to be comprehensive while actually thinking his own traditions and rituals to be superior to whichever country he's into.
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>>78468495
why the fuck do people still go there? jesus christ
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>>78469130
he's french canadian, not an american
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>>78474745
He's french, what were you expecting?
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>>78471156
To be fair, renewable/green energy is tricky. Extensive research needs to be done to choose the right green energy to be utilized by the place. River ecosystem could be ruined. Places with extreme sun can get most of solar energy (too bad these places are usually third world countries and green energy is almost non-existent).
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>>78474745
To be fair, he seems smug to those living and earning well, but never to those who belong to the bottom of the barrel or those who do "volunteer" work.
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>>78473550
>See screenshot
No Anon. I can't bare to watch that video again.
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>>78467367
This. Im a polish living in Ireland and I know few months back few million Polish have walk the streets together to protest taking refugees to Poland it was one of the biggest protest in the past 80 years but I have never see any news about that in Ireland.
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>>78468495
>1984
From all possible books he took this one... I mean cmon . That is some master trolling. Brave new world or animal farm would be even more 'appropriate'
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>>78445494
Good read OP, thanks.
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>>78470763
I would think its pretty common. I remember as young lad 10 years old my father would take me to the army shooting range where I would use a Ak47. Of corse he would hold it for me because of the recoil .I remember bringing a number of empty bullet as souvenirs. That was circa 1998 in Poland
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>>78450112
>That was fucking brave. If this is all true this man is brave.
Reading this story, I'm not really sure he understands that his guides would be sent to labor camps with their families if they ever agreed with any of the shit he said. Like he's constantly making comparisons to 1984, but not once does the fact that thought crimes are actually punishable in North Korea seem to enter his mind.
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>>78475345
Brave New World isn't really applicable to the context of NK. And Animal Farm is specifically a send-up of Soviet communism, some of it carries over, but 1984's depiction of the brutal, total control of information and utter hopelessness is most fitting based on how Dear Leader's rule of NK.
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>>78470763
it used to be really common everywhere up until the 1980s. Then firearm laws suddenly started being tightened up everywhere apart from the US where there was enough resistance to pull back.
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>>78471094
Also we got rid of number of dictators in the past years and as result we have a number of counties in the middle of civil war and a whole lot of refugees. Can you imagine what would happen in NK considering the military size ? I know we threat Kim as a joke but can you imagine what would he would do if he has completely nothing to lose ?
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>>78470853
>when was the media sympathetic to pro-lifers
When they didn't call that pro-lifer that shot up an abortion clinic a terrorist.
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>>78475556
I'd rather have Nk refugees than the ones we're currently getting.
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>>78475487
That's petty much my point. Considering the content of 1984 its like traveling with a bag of cocaine in Thailand. You couldn't pay me enough to bring it there
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>for some reason
Think of the eyes Anon.
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>>78443655
NK guard was obviously more of a squarepusher fan.
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>>78444468
>Do they really believe the bullshit that's being forced down their throats?
I remember reading an article about this on Cracked, years ago, when it was still a thing. Everyone knows it's bullshit, but none of them understand just how much of it is bullshit. Like they all understand that the president didn't invent golf/basketball/hamburgers and isn't a magic wizard, but it's hard for them to grasp that they're also being lied to about our quality of life. They're taught stuff like how South Korean women are all sluts and bimbos, how the rest of the world is starving just like they are, and all sort of other shit.
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>>78475661
I'd rather have any refugee we're getting than any given Donald Trump supporter.
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>>78475924
They must be wondering how we're so much taller and healthier looking than them when we do visit their country.
I remember hearing about a Nork tour guide sarcastically answering a question about Kim Jong-Il's death by saying "well, we haven't been told what to think yet" and snickering.
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>>78475924
Wait shit are you saying that Kim Il Sung didn't invent the Helicopter (Plane, Automobile, Cart, Wheel)? My whole life has been as lie
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>>78476007
>They must be wondering how we're so much taller and healthier looking than them when we do visit their country.
How would they know that taller is healthier and what "healthy" really looks like?
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>>78475781
>Kurwin
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>>78476640
Like trump time to time he will spit a bit of wisdome by pure accident
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>>78449880
>>78450222
>>78450978
>>78451042
He endangers several of the North Korean civilians he interacts with, shown just in the comic itself -- there are probably countless other instances of carelessness on his part that he doesn't idealise or even mention in this account of his stay. He's not in danger at all during his stay, because the regime needs his services to prop up their own extravagant and exploitative lifestyles; the people he interacts with, on the other hand, will almost certainly be subject to re-education or internment for shit like receiving a copy of 1984 from a dangerous foreign capitalist. You fuckers are as dense and shortsighted as he is, if you don't realise the danger he puts his guides and other native affiliates in with his conceited agitations.
A lot of his attempts at insight and rumination also just ring shallow and overwrought, as if a lot of the observations or conclusions he makes aren't already obvious to the reader. He's patronising and frames almost everything around his thoughts on the things he sees or hears, and while that's somewhat to be expected in this kind of story, he takes it to an excess demonstrated by the abundance of his navel-gazing and the shortage of perspectives from native North Koreans or fellow foreigners, the exception being Fabrice's recounting (rendered almost insultingly simplistic, beyond the basic need of minimalism for it being an old memory of a second-hand memory). Any sympathy he shows throughout the comic feels forced and insincere, and garbage like his little spiel at the end of the torture-tour comes across as embarrassingly sophomoric and condescending.
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>>78476869
100% agreed.
But that seems to be what this story is about.
Civilians completely aware of their terrible government, living in fear of their government, unable to revolt against it, unable to even start talking about it.
That is what this story is about - the author is trying to understand if the civilians are aware of their terrible govt. He's just completely flummoxed and goes to dangerous levels to tempt the civilians around him to show awareness.
He leaves, failing to succeed in tempting anything, except maybe that one part where the civilians laughed at his joke at the picnic.
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>>78475781
I remember that mustache! Didn't he end one of his speeches with a Hitlergruß once?
Good to know his cluelessness is genuine.
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>>78468495
Darwin award.
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>>78470532
Politically it went a far softer way, too. Unlike NK Eastern Germany tried to reform. Granted it was too late and the economy far too fucked up by then, but that's still far above NK in my book.
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>>78470620
How exactly is a absolutist monarchy communistic again?
Ah yeah, millions dead, best thing ever. Gave us all our fluffy police states, thank you Bush.
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>>78477408
Grandpa forgot his meds..
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In all the recollections of westerner's visiting NK I've come by, the guest always ends up being afraid for the lives of their translators, and it becomes the main reason why they don't ask too many questions or act out of line.
Must be really weird, knowing these people could potentially be executed or sent to camps for something harmless like reading a book or being positively curious about western culture, or because they failed to keep an eye on a guest and that guest took some 'problematic' pictures or saw something they weren't supposed to see.
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>>78471001
holy shit dude
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>>78443978
the pictures are indeed angled downwards in that video.
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Commies should make her episode again.
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>>78445430
>gets horny listening to descriptions of horrific torture
>>78445452
>keeps going out on his own with a total disregard for what might happen to his guides
I'm loving this, but what the fuck is this guy's deal?
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>>78483570
Animators tend to be assholes.
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>>78483570
>listening
>to a woman
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>>78477408
He's not wrong though. taking in tradesmen in areas that need tradesmen and having a strict policy of getting rid of criminals who try to take advantage of people are far better than the camps and ghettos European countries are trying to make.
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>>78470223
Incidentally, what ever happened to that Livestream of real-time Best Korea broadcasts that was up a few years ago?
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>>78484461
It's still going, put this link in VLC or Windows Media Player.
mms://121.167.43.161/chosun
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>>78475467
>>>78470763 (You)
>I would think its pretty common.
No, no anon. Shooting ranges are as common as dirt in the USA.
What's crazy is shooting at live animals on a shooting range, and then eating them.
Granted, some types of hunting trips aren't much more challenging than that, but frankly, I can't have much respect for people that pay to shoot baited animals.
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>>78477408
>Good to know his cluelessness is genuine.
How is anything he said in that clip clueless?
Sounds like good solid common sense, to me.
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>>78484586
Sometimes it's not about food, feral pigs pretty much need to be exterminated in really messy and quick ways becasue they are taking over and crowding out every native species.
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>>78475781
Never trust a man who wears bow ties.
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As interesting as this is, man is the author a cunt. It's pretty damned obvious by their fear and silence on certain subects that they know their life sucks, yet the twat keeps endangering the lives of his guides and their families with his childish prodding. Like holy shit dude, how much of a clueless cunt can you be.
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>>78472556
wow coal mining sure is safe and environmentally sound in comparison to the sadly inevitable accidents that occur around heavy machinery or high powered electronics.
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>>78473961
It's less because china views NK as an ally and more because China doesn't want the inevitable flood of refugees that will hit them once Best Korea inevitably crashes and burns.
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>>78485689
That theory never really held much water with me, the border is very mountainous and the Yalu is pretty easily patrolled. There's a bunch of reasons why NK hasn't fallen yet but I think that isn't a determining factor.
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>>78485743
Determining? Nah. But China has an absurdly large population, the party's grip is damned firm but they aren't stupid. They know they can't keep a hold on everyone there forever and they do NOT like a lot of the foreign influence that's creeping in. What does NK offer china aside from public embarrassment and hungry mouths? Maybe a distraction at times. When NK goes down the refugees will find their way into china in the millions, boats, planes, overland routes. It doesn't matter how many people china sends to patrol the border refugees will slip through and the party will have one more mess to deal with, and more importantly it will be a NEW mess. They have solid answers on how to deal with the NK problem now, they only have speculation on what the fall of NK will cause in terms of global and local impact.
the Refugees aren't the big factor, it's the lack of rapport china has with SK since SK will inevitably end up with Nk's territories and will doubtlessly be more inclined to side with NATO over china's interests in the region. NK's flood of welfare hungry refugees is a significant portion of that though.
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>>78477772
Note that he never took pictures. Also how much evidence do we have that the guides' lives were in any danger? How far out of line did Guy really step? I mean, there was that one guest cartoonist who had a literal shitfit.
The guide and or translator were keeping tabs on him even as he snuck out, just in case he pulled anything that wasn't a basic satisfaction of his curiosity. They would undoubtedly have taken action if he went too far, which he evidently didn't.
I'd even go so far as to say the guide may have made sure to point out that the train station was off limits specifically to make Guy more curious about that instead of something that really mattered.
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>>78485800
They already have practice in containing potentially destabilizing regions with the Uyghurs to the west. It really depends on what kind of collapse we are talking about, a coup that goes wrong would be the worst case scenario becasue that could mean skirmishes at the SK border before things settle down but would be the easiest to justify clamping down hard on. A slow decay with some openings in the economy and society before collapse like East Germany would save the most lives but lead to some really messed up situations of having to send troops in to sedate and debrief essentially an entire country.
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>>78485537
Yeah, the guy acts like he's blowing their minds, giving them 1984 and pointing out their country's problems, but it's more like he's teasing them, sticking his tongue out and going "neener neener, my country's better than yours, and there's nothing you can do about it because you'll be killed along with your entire family if you try to leave." They know the museum's bullshit, man. They don't need you pointing that out to them when they give you the mandatory tour.
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>>78485830
The comic more or less says that everyone's lives are in danger for the tiniest of offenses.
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>>78486007
That's if he even did either of those things. The North Korean government would surely have a list of banned books with 1984 at the top of it. Sure there may have been an oversight, but I just don't see it as likely. It's far more likely that he made that shit up to insert Orwell quotes and throw in a bit of entertainment.
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>>78486041
Yes, but I argue that his guides made no offenses at all, and were doing exactly what they were told.
Remember that these people are trained soldiers who were put in this position specifically because they were capable of handling foreigners. Also remember that they followed Guy constantly, even when he ignored their warnings, even allegedly making points to let him know that they were following him. They drew ridiculously nearby lines specifically because they knew he would cross them, and made absolutely certain that he would never toe any lines that would get them in trouble. They were playing the shit out of Guy, I guarantee it. He was nothing they hadn't dealt with before.
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>>78474745
>pretends to be comprehensive while actually thinking his own traditions and rituals to be superior to whichever country he's into.
Yes, how dare he think Canadian traditions and rituals are superior to Stalinism
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>>78486063
Remember, totalitarian dictatorships are notoriously bad at getting trains to run on time. I wouldn't be surprised if, assuming there is a list of banned books including 1984, the guys checking your stuff at the airport have no clue what's on it. They're probably trained to look for the big things like radios and cell phones, and if anyone's stupid enough to tell them the book's about a totalitarian government.
>>78486114
Yeah, but that's no thanks to him. He spent the entire trip poking them and going "Hey, how much does Kim Jong-Ill suck?" If the guy did step out of line, the guide would surely be blamed for it.
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>>78486287
>If the guy did step out of line, the guy would surely be blamed for it.
Which is why they kept such a close eye on him. Note they could easily have kept him from sneaking out before he even left the building (he was on a high floor, after all) but didn't. They let him go and look around, watching his every step (hell, maybe even through a scope).
This isn't to say that he knew that, but he often made implications without outright saying things in the book, the lack of handicapped citizens being a prime example. I'd bet even he knew they were putting up false flags when the train station turned out to be a bigass pile of nothing, especially when they let him know that they'd been watching him.
It's not inconceivable to consider that Guy did his homework both in and out of Pyongyang on typical foreigner etiquette (and any and all lack thereof, consequences, etc). Again, he didn't do too much--I'd say his worst and least forgivable offense was pointing out that poor fucking picking fruit out of a tree and the only ironclad example of him being an endangering cock--and he was surely aware that his guides would end up using force if he went too far one way or another.
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>>78486287
No doubt 1984 could have been overlooked for one reason or another, but I just thought it was incredibly convenient from a narrative standpoint.
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>>78474748
He went there to do humanitarian work.
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>>78443609
Oh look, some imperialist propaganda.
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>>78470223
>that vanilla photoshop grass brush
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>>78483570
I am not surprised, that whole museum thing, especially the paintings looks like a projection of darkest things lurking in Id (by Id i mean Freudian Id).
And this is exactly how propaganda works.
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>>78448920
Do you think the guide started reading it and thought "Shit I know was this guy is trying to do to me" and stopped reading it?
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>>78477573
State ownership of all property.
But I guess the absense of latte geisers and granola beaches and black and hispanic unicorns mean it doesn't count as real communism.
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>>78488109
Only that everything Freud said was unscientific crap pulled from his ass.
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>>78489360
Then why scientific papers are referring to his theories?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3900855/
I think that first panel have same graphic Freudian imagery: >>78445430
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>>78489585
Just because it continues to be published in medical journals under a very specific sector doesn't mean that Freud's nonsense isn't scientific.
Anyway, it's a bit like medieval history where you talk about feudalism. Every medieval historian worth his salt knows that feudalism is a bunk idea that never existed in the format that it's popularly understood but because its so ingrained into the metadiscussion, you have to start from there and work on. Much like psychology and Freud.
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>>78489585
Have you read the paper? It read more like a historical paper than a scientific one. It's working almost entirely from a literary perspective, not actually working with data.
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>>78486404
I like this guys works but in all his books he always annoys me too, hes a mild level twat. I guess he does that stuff so he fill his books with something other than face value stuff but I still personally find it a very rude thing to do in any country, and its a great shame nobody replies with a "wow wheres your manners?", he does it in the china, burma and jerusalem book, to varying levels. I think the NK book was where he did it the most though.
Also if you go to most countries in the world, you dont see many disabled people, lots of cultures view them as shameful so they are often killed at birth or dumped in some shitty orphanage, and lots of countries dont have a proper support and healthcare system, so these disabled often die of their problems anyway or its very difficult for them to go to most places (no wheel chair ramps etc).
When I was in NK I actually saw some chick in a wheelchair going along the main street, so they do exist there.
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>>78491011
To be fair disabled access is architectural cancer so I'm not that fussed about it.
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>>78485666
>the sadly inevitable accidents that occur around heavy machinery or high powered electronics
So, you're completely cool with nuclear power plant accidents?
After all, they are inevitable, right?
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>>78485743
>the border is very mountainous
Doesn't stop the defectors today that come by the hundreds
>and the Yalu is pretty easily patrolled
by corrupt Chinese guards who are so bloated from banquets and bribes, they don't even bother to patrol, and just have spare keys made for their favorite 'customers'.
>Oh hey Mr. <X> lovely day isn't it? More Peking Duck? The wife is going to love it. Oh you want to smuggle a couple hundred more Koreans? Okay you know the drill, I didn't see anything for the next 2 hours.
>>78491011
>dumped in some shitty orphanage
That's what North Korea does. They are grouped with the many orphans of the famines. The official Party stance is they don't exist. Stop talking about it. I said stop it.
>>78486404
>>78486287
Actually a lot of North Koreans nowadays know the Kims suck. The steady stream of smuggled American and South Korean films played on Chinese portable DVD players show them how shitty their lives are. Contraband work is just one way in educating them that their world isn't as tiny as they think.
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>>78491212
>So because cats scratch people, it must be natural for you to like tigers even though they maul people.
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>>78491259
They know the Kims suck, but it's still highly illegal to say that.
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>>78491259
i know they are in NK but im saying that loads of poor countries do that. Developed nations used to do that until recently. Disabled people cost loads of money to look after properly, and rarely do you get that money back as many cannot work.
The whole should disabled be euthanized argument is its own thread but my point is that the author was an idiot because its very obvious what happens to disabled people in NK.
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>>78471957
you can, just ask permission first.
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>>78488165
Communism is the lack of a state and classes. There's a difference between communism and state socialism.
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>>78491303
OUTDOORS it's illegal. When inside in places where they know no one is watching they badmouth the entire regime.
Or in areas where the guards aren't nearly as strict they just up and do what they want, fuck the law.
>>78491526
I think the author's point was to question the validity of such crap the North Korean propaganda department spews out. If their own people don't buy into it, why would anyone else?
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>>78475556
we have syria in civil war because we didn't kill assad when he used chemical weapons like we said we would because we were afraid of starting ww3
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>>78491936
Removing Saddam did result in peace.
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>>78491922
They have to atleast pretend to buy into it otherwise they are toast. Idk, I just think its twattish, yeah people are dumb but they dont believe literally everything you tell them, no matter how much propaganda and everyone in the world hates those in charge, its just human nature.
When I went, I never got the impression that the NKs were buying into it, or trying to convert me to believing it. Its more a going through the motions thing, like you go to the border and they say "heres a stone signed by kim jong ill" and you say "hmm yes" and then you all move on to the actual interesting things, the stone takes like a second and you dont even walk up to it or anything. it was like that with most of the stuff.
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OP here, glad to see so many of you enjoyed it.
Got some interesting youtube links I meant to post during the storytime I might have forgotten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RNcIjW1-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srjCJHEeONc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIhJ7CLygcs
Footage of the hidden 5th floor of Yangakkdo Hotel which is the hotel where Guy Delisle was staying at.
Allegedly, this is the floor where all room surveillance takes place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glg3mX0edhU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-hBW9vmSac
https://youtu.be/2yBiW9LB_HA
>During the hours that the single national North Korean television channel (KCTV) is not on air, the Yanggakdo International Hotel guest room cable network runs movies, DPRK music videos and information clips on the hotel televsions. This video is the hotel information guide that is shown a number of times each day including at 6AM and when KCTV closes each night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz1sadURGBg
Inside Yanggakdo Hotel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_9Bs3iZqw8
Also surprised to see a few SK anons turned up to post itt.
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>>78468854
Maybe some day.
>>78468435
I hope you won't have to, it's already showing cracks and hopefully it'll crumble on itself sometime soon.
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>>78492075
Something else you should have on that list OP,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOQhGHdn_A
Yeah it's VICE, but it's a nice look into a more recent North Korea.
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>>78492257
Haven't seen that one but did see their first vice doc about NK which was a bit too sensationalist, while really they're just on the same tour that everyone else can book. Tea lady a cute tho.
I like the one where they go to a NK labour camp in Russia better.
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>>78445117
>French who never touched a gun beats NK military.
North Korea's army is a joke
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>>78493065
Most military personnel don't really do that well with pistols anyway, that's not what you're there to do and just passing qualifications is good enough. More worried about cops who can't hit on paper at 15 yards and still somehow pass qualifications.
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>>78493065
>>78493294
It probably doesn't help that despite preferential treatment, Best Korea's military is still horrendously under supplied and underfed.
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>>78492257
The NK videos are probably the only worthy things VICE has ever produced.
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>>78492075
And in heyday of Cold War it was like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrCcUruOA9E
Documentary made with full cooperation of the regime.
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