Jessica Jones

I really don't like puritan americans.

>>78408086
Maybe.
I liked the ones after they both realized they both had powers.

The first one is mostly character play that doesn't make sense until later down the series.

>>78408086
It's only like the first two or three episodes that have sex scenes.

>>78408086
How can a show have to many sex scenes?
Especially with a hot girl like Krysten there should have been more.

>Literally a show about death, violence, and abuse
>Complain about the sex
You know whenever people complain about how it's okay to show gore, but not okay to show nipples in shows? They're complaining about you.

>>78408086
>2015
>streaming series
>no tits
What's the actual fuck?

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>>78408190
>hot girl like Krysten

>>78408199
That's not really the same though. OP isn't making a complaint about decency, just content. Like complaining if a show spent too much time on a character cooking.

>>78408103
That's not very halal of you, Mr. Yuropoor.

>>78408258
OP isn't even making a real thread, it's just an experiment with >>>/tv/64050912

>>78408086
That's why I'm not going to watch the show. Sex scenes are for lazy writers who can't come up with good plot.

>>78408086
1 i can't think of a single sex scene in the show over a minute
2 sex does not = porno
3 i bet you had no problems with the graphic violence

4 lol westerners

>>78408275
Well that's pretty odd then.

>>78408279
Did this make sense in your head before you typed it?

>>78408332
Not really. /co/ is obsessed with trying to impress big brother /tv/.

>>78408226
You're objectifying the wrong party. Do you even Bendis?

Pro-tip: the black man is the eye candy.

>>78408258
Yeah, but OP is also saying that the episodes with sex scenes felt like they were pornographic, when they weren't even close to being porn, yet he does not complain about the mind control, the violence, the killings, etc.

I hate sex scenes. I'd rather just watch porn.

>>78408372
>implying that producers or even screenwrites actually read Alias

>>78408086
The sex scenes were fine, you're just a baby.

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>>78408086
>Krystin Ritter is super hot

>>78408408
Same. It's never really enjoyable, just awkward. I don't want to see them have sex unless i'm seeing the sex. I'm much happier with the sex just implied.

Then again as a Luke fan it's cool knowing he can seriously fuck the shit outta someone.

>>78408423
>not liking Tall Slut No Panties

>>78408103

I really don't like degenerates who want more sex in their already over-saturated media.

>people actually wanting to see a black man fuck a white woman

Literal cucks

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>>78408241
Sometimes she looks like droopy the dog, but she got dem cakes tho.

>>78408258

The violence is fake. The nudity is real. Simulated sex is a lot more like actual sex than simulated violence usually is like actual violence.

>>78408478
Mah nigga

>>78408383
To Westerners Sex is worse than violence. Especially in the US. This is a country where motherfuckers walk around with Assault Rifles strapped to their backs to go to Wallmart, and the Evening News shows all kinds of fucked up killings and shit and that's fine. Don't you dare flash a titty though, that's going too far, dood!

>>78408520

>/tv/
>Discussing Jessica Jones

KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK NIGGER KEK BIG BLACK COCKS

>>78408483
But violence, a ok. Lol Amurkkkins

>>78408507
>nudity
But JJ wasn't nude. If you rewatch the sex scenes, she wears her bra the entire time. Really stupid.

I thought they were fine. If there had been any more and they had been more graphic I'd agree, but what there was was fine.

>>78408507
Oh is that how you Amuricunts justify your weird violence fetish?

>>78408423
>>78408423
Theres something about her. Like she's not my type but then I fall in love with her in every role. I think it has something to do with her natural charm.

Hell yesterday I watched the eric andre show with her as a guest and eric made her watch 2 girls 1 cup and my heart just exploded seeing her nearly vomit.


>jessica jones
>don't trust the b
>that
as I type this i think i just discovered I might just have a thing for vomiting girls but that's another conversation.

The Patsy/Nuke scenes were the best. And the lesbian seduction one.

You do know that Cage and Jones have a baby together... Right? Well, in order to get... Ah, nevermind. I'll let you figure it out someday.

I hated how Luke very clearly cucked a guy and ruined his marriage, and yet the show never portrays him in the wrong for doing this. They even go as far claiming he's the victim.

Later on when the guy and his friends(all of them white, by the way) looking to kick his ass, he effortlessly wrecks them, doesn't even break a sweat. He's falling asleep as he's destroying 15 guys.

It was fucking gross, I'm a woman and hated that bullshit.

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>>78408506

>>78409599
She took off her wedding ring, made like she was single, he broke it off with her as soon as he realized she was married, but he was the one in the wrong?

You're a fucking retard.

>>78408527
someone obviously needs to start thinking of the children

>>78409599
>I hated how Luke very clearly cucked a guy and ruined his marriage
Wasn't even his fault. Luke didn't know he was sleeping with a married woman. She even took off her ring before going out with Luke, so how was he supposed to know?

Why are you mad at him and not the cheating wife?

>He's falling asleep as he's destroying 15 guys.
Okay..? What, so, should Luke have just let them beat him up because you feel bad for them?

>I'm a woman and hated that bullshit.
No one gives a shit that you have a cunt, breeder bitch.

>>78409677
Yeah, pushing the guy's face against broken glass as he told him to go back to his wife and beg for forgiveness was super heroic, huh?

He's fucking indestructible, let the guy and his friends beat him up and get it out of their systems as a "my bad" gesture, he's not gonna get harmed anyway. Then when Jessica shows up to break it off you create an interesting situation.

>I protect me and what is mine
What a load of shit

>>78408086
The show is bad because the writing is bad. Jessica is obsessed with exonerating the girl who killed her parents, saying that she doesn't want the girl to "lose twenty years of her life." Where's the concern for the man from her apartment who lost 20+ years of his life by killing himself while under Kilgrave's control? What about the old lady who lived next door? Yes, she was a bitch but if you don't think Kilgrave deserves to be killed, then certainly she doesn't deserve to be blown up while also under Kilgrave's control. If you count the men that Simpson had with him, that's at least four deaths that could have been prevented if she just killed Kilgrave, which is the only sensible option when dealing with someone like him. I mean, does she honestly think that sending him to prison is going to stop him? Even if she wants that only to get the girl out of prison, she has to know that he's just going to do the same to another girl to get back at him.

I know that superheroes are supposed to be better than the people they fight and this is a problem with nearly all superheroes, but I expected better from this show being on Netflix where they can get away with more stuff.

>These squeamish children who can't accept sex because of their own insecurities.
If your this ashamed of jacking off to porn that movie sex scenes offend you.
A) Stop being such a wanker
or
B) Just stick to your children's cartoons

>>78410273
This. Jessica's obsession with proving that girl's innocence devolves into pure idiocy.

>>78408592
>Theres something about her.


...no, no there isn't.

>>78408483
>Over-saturated
Sex scenes are extremely rare in western tv and film. GoT makes up like 75% of all of them throughought the past 20 years.

>>78410044
You are like 7 different types of stupid. Luke Cage is in no sense of the word a 'hero' at this point in his life. He even says it pretty plainly himself.
>told him to go back to his wife and beg for forgiveness
>beg for forgiveness
Absolutely did not happen, also makes zero sense.


>He's fucking indestructible, let the guy and his friends beat him up and get it out of their systems as a "my bad" gesture, he's not gonna get harmed anyway.

He didn't do anything wrong, his cunt of a wife was the one sleeping around. There was no reason for him to take a beating that he didn't deserve, and he most definitely didn't feel any sort of sympathy for a fuccnigga that brings 8 of his friends to settle a personal score with one nigga.
This is the dumbest thing I've read today. Go put it in your fanfiction.

>What a load of shit
Yeah, I bet your deviantart writing has so many views.

>>78408542
jessica jones is hardly a comic book character, people only started caring about her because she got a tv show

>>78410504
>projecting

>>78410044
Luke did nothing wrong. He didn't know she was married, and fought back when a bunch of guys attacked him over something he didn't do.

>>78410504
>jessica jones is hardly a comic book character
Except for the hundreds of issues she's been featured in?

>>78410572
how am i projecting, all that seems to be talked about in these threads is the show, not even daredevil got talked about this much after the show was released

>>78410485
>>78410586
Which one of you is Bendis?

>>78410044
>he told him to go back to his wife and beg for forgiveness
Literally never happened.

>He's fucking indestructible, let the guy and his friends beat him up and get it out of their systems as a "my bad" gesture
He did nothing wrong, and a guy who brings 8 other guys to beat up somebody over an affair does not deserve sympathy in that scenario.

>>78410273
The writing was okay, not great. The character being flawed doesn't mean the writing is bad, real people make decisions based on emotions, projections, and pettiness.

Also doesn't help that you don't seem to understand the plot very well. For example
>I mean, does she honestly think that sending him to prison is going to stop him?

Never happened. She didn't care about putting him through the judicial system, at no point is that ever the dilemma.

Also Nuke's boys got their shit wrecked of their own accord.

>>78410685
Good meme xD

>>78408506
Nigga those are struggle cakes

>>78410619
I know that this may come as a surprise to you, being from /tv/ and all, but when people make threads about shows here we tend to talk about the show.

>>78410273
That's the point, though. She's overly obsessed to the point of making bad decisions. In her mind, proving that Kilgrave made Hope do it was like proving to herself that what she did under Kilgrave's influence wasn't her fault either. It made no logical sense and it isn't until the end that she's willing to admit that to herself, confront Kilgrave and kill him.

Is it dumb that she didn't kill him right away? Yes, but the show is about her process of getting over that bullshit.

>>78410613
right, all those comics where she has became a fan favorite character that got mass appeal even from casuals

>>78410808
>when people make threads about shows here we tend to talk about the show.
makes sense considering /co/ doesn't talk about comics

>>78410273
A character making mistakes is not bad writing. Jessica making bad choices is a huge chunk of her character.

>>78408086
>Krysten Ridder is super hot
eww dude

>>78410402
She's never presented as being in the right. Regret is a huge theme in the series.

>>78410847
Alias kicked off the MAX line and got massive critical and commercial success at the time. This was before the Iron Man movie though, so you probably weren't paying attention to comics then.

>>78408086
>Krysten Ridder is super hot
Eh.

>>78410847
>right, all those comics where she has became a fan favorite character that got mass appeal even from casuals
Has nothing to do with what her being "hardly a comicbook character" which she is and has been for over a decade.

>>78409805
>>78409599
>the hag hates Luke Cage
>the fag loves Luke Cage
How interesting

>>78408086
>has super strength but frequently gets cut and bruised

shouldn't she be breaking the bones in her hands when she hits people?

>>78408086
>but the sex scenes were unnecessarily long.
Wrong. It was a Jessica Jones story. The sex was like the most important part.

>>78411644
How does being really strong mean you can't get cut? That's Luke's power, stupid.

>>78411683
most superheroes with super strength have some kind of super resistance or invulnerability to physical damage that protect them from themselves. a normal human being who punches someone hard enough will break the bones in their hand. with jessica's super strength but lack of invulnerability, shouldn't she be breaking her hands every time she punches someone?

>>78408086
Look closely anon,
A woman has made this thread
Do not fall for it

>>78408190
>>78408103

If I want to see sex I'll watch some damn porn. A sex scene is for women who pretend to not like sex have something like porn in a socially acceptable media format.

>>78411718
Maybe it's just her skin that's weak. Super resistance, invulnerability and super strength are different powers, not side effects to one another.

>>78411811
i'm not saying that they're side effects to one another, just that most superheroes with one have the other otherwise it becomes kind of stupid to have someone who inflicts massive amounts of damage to other people and themselves.

>>78411832
It's part of her thing. She has powers but not amazing powers.

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Why is she so perfect?

>>78411718
You're not very bright, you should stop trying to be clever over the internet.

She mentions explicitly that she has metahuman physiology which includes resistance to damage and fast healing/metabolism, in case the scenes of her getting tasered 6 times by 3 or 4 dudes at once and shrugging off gunshot wounds and lacerations that are fine the next day without medical attention were too subtle for you.

>>78411832
The whole point of the story is her pain.

>>78408527
Don't lump us in with the burgers.

>>78409599
As soon as he found out she was married he cut it off. What's the complaint. Clearly he has a moral compass.

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>>78411845
She's not. She already looks way older than she should and in a couple of years she's going to look like a Russian potato

>>78408507
>simulated sex is a lot more like actual sex
Ok, and?

>>78408086
she looks like a junkie hooker

>>78408086
>Krysten Ridder is super hot
wut

shes got a bizarre looking face depending on the angle

>>78411644
She probably does have super durability but it's not passive, so she thinks she can get cut she'll get cut.

She never really trained herself to use her powers

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All these gay ass niggas not liking JJ and her itty bitty titties

shaking
my
head
family

>>78410847
>only super popular characters should get shows
You know you don't have to grasp at straws to find some reason to shit on every show

>>78411960
I dunno she looks good for 34.

>>78412076
>>78408506

'And she has a surprisingly nice ass for how skinny she is.

>>78412076
She has hobgoblin feet.

>>78412481
Footfag plz go

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>>78408086
>>78408086
Bitch still looks like a chihuahua

>>78412690
Please add in a bottle of jack.

>>78408086
>sex scenes were unnecessarily long
Not really, no

>>78408086
>This show was really good
Jesus Christ, /co/.
Get some standards.

>>78412852
No u.

>>78412881
I'm not the one saying a terrible show is "great"

>>78412939
You're a terrible show.

>>78412939
>terrible
Please, elaborate with many details and no memes

>>78408103
Speak for yourself. I'm a britbong myself and I had the same problem with all the degenerate content. It's THE CURRENT YEAR: The Show.

>>78408592
>>78410467
That "something" is that really striking look a lot of really pasty dark-haired Jewish girls have. Mostly it is really hot and I used to be into it. Then I met a coworker with the same dark hair, pale skin... and a face like a plague doctor's mask. Lost that fetish soon after.
>>78412076
I'm not all about size, but that's just sad.

>>78408086
Kilgrave used his dead rape baby fetus to make himself stronger

And THAT'S your takeaway from all this?

>>78413029
>I'm not all about size, but that's just hot

Fixed m8

>>78413011
>Show based off of comic written in the early 2000s
> It's THE CURRENT YEAR: The Show
god

>>78408478

She was fucking great in that show.

>>78413011
>I'm a britbong myself
Where do you think Puritans came from?

>>78412958
>absolutely bland characters (and no, being a shitty noir cliche doesn't make Jessica even remotely interesting)
>ineffectual and unthreatening villain with zero depth, menace or even fucking charisma
>zero subtlety in its themes to the point of obnoxiousness
>padding
>awful dialogues
>no atmosphere of any kind
>the most terrible anticlimactic ending imaginable

It made Hannibal season 3 look good in retrospect, and season 3 is the lowest point of the series.

>>78408086
Agreed, sex doesn't automatically make something better or sexier. I don't go to a Marvel show looking to get titilated; if I want that I'll go to pornhub or watch a hentai. If it doesn't add anything to the narrative or tell us anything about the characters, then it should be cut.

>>78410694

I am with you guys on defending Luke but look at the scene again he does tell him to go back to his wife.

Or maybe Jessica told the wife I dunno I just know someone was told to go back to thier significant other after the fact.

>>78413066
Progressive trauma porn isn't new, but it is the flavour of the week right now.

>>78413101
They mostly left to America so I don't know what your point is. Ultra-Protestant Puritanism in the American sense hasn't really been a thing here for centuries. Even Anglicanism has always been a compromising broad church for both Anglo-Catholics and more Protestant wah wah i hate papists types, though in the past thirty years it's taken a turn for left-wing pandering.

>>78413011
>I'm a britbong
Inshallah, brother!

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>>78413195
:^)

>>78413132
Your shit taste is certainly your perogative.

>>78413243
Shit taste is saying Jessica Jones is great.

>>78413150
He doesn't tell him to ask for her forgiveness. Luke is pissed at the wife, too.

>>78413183
>Progressive trauma porn isn't new, but it is the flavour of the week right now.
Flawed female characters, and female characters facing actual hardship that they don't easily overcome, is the exact opposite of current trends.

>>78413291
He says while unironically watching 3 seasons of Hannibal.

You have have awful taste breh, live with it, but watching you try to project it on to other people is pretty embarrassing to watch.

>>78413291
Shit taste is saying you're not a dumb bitch.

>>78413332
You seem to misunderstand what I mean by trauma porn. Despite the superficial darkness of the show, it's fundamentally optimistic at its core; the characters' flaws are rooted in trauma (even Kilgrave), implicitly suggesting that trauma is the only impediment they have to radical self-actualisation—all bad action is the corollary of trauma rather than intrinsic personal qualities. This is a nauseating view of the world—people (especially women and minorities) are blameless victims of broken systems, with only the barest amount of personal accountability.

>>78413454
>ragging on a decent horror-show while defending one of the worst shows in ages
Nice refutation, by the way.
>>78413456
This board is 18+ kid, fuck off.

>>78413490
ok?

>>78413504
>decent horror-show
This board is 18+ kid, fuck off.

>>78413517
Ebin, simply ebin.
>JJfags in charge of arguing

>>78413490
Yeah, no. Kilgrave has trauma in his past but he's clearly still an asshole of his own accord. Even Jessica is shown to be an asshole for no reason sometimes.

Nice attempt at trying to sound smart though.

>>78413565
>selective textual reading

>>78413581
>"I just bought a thesaurus" typing

>>78413595
Christ, calm your raging inferiority complex.

>>78413602
Christ, calm your raging superiority complex.

>>78413579
If you're trying to troll, try better. You're getting boring.

Just fuck already

>>78413688
>he
Would've sworn you're a teenage girl judging by your argumentation skills and idiotic posts.

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>>78413729
So you're getting beat by a teenage girl? Says a lot about you m8

>>78413749
More like replying out of boredom, since you're obviously too dumb to refute my points.

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and with that i crown
>>78413749
the winner and
>>78413825
a little bitch,

now both of you stop fucking up this thread.

>>78413860
Nice way to samefag and trying to salvage your shit opinion, faggot.

>>78413895
>keeps samefagging
>I-I HAVE NOTHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY, BETTER SAY I REKT HIM XDDD
Go back to reddit already.

>>78413888
Even if he is samefagging, he's not wrong. Saltiness is never a good look.

>>78413926
>he
I reiterate, back to reddit you fucking idiot. Stop shitposting already.

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>>78413993

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>>78413888
Nah man, it's pathetic, both of you need to shut the fuck up already.

>>78412690
Laughed harder than I should've, now my family is looking at me weird

>>78414034
>what is proxyfagging
Nice try, bitch. Keep shitting up this thread.

>>78408086
>>Krysten Ridder is super hot
Next time please open with the fact that you have shit taste so we can ignore you from the start.

>>78408346
More like we're a test bed and dumping ground for /tv/ memes and shitposts.
We're basically the bikini atoll.

>Iron Fist showrunner wrote for The Oblongs
this is really weird to me

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>>78414786
I hope that means Danny and Misty will be constantly banging like Milo's parents

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>>78414859
>Scott Buck
Fuck. Thanks for warning. I think I'll pass.
I guarantee it's gonna be garbage. I've had enough of guy's stuff.

I honestly agree, I can't stand when premium content shows do this kinda thing. It's a really lazy way to make them seem mature.

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>find out they both have superpowers
>first reaction is to fuck like champions

>>78413579
>>78413490
It's how the world works. Nobody exists in a vaccuum, and literally everyone is a product of their environment. Free will does not exist in some magic space where it can steer a person's actions but not be molded by the outside world.

It's a big part of why blame games are so pointless. You do what will make things better.

>>78415035
Isn't that the dream tho? A super powered fuck fest?

>>78415409
Didn't mean to quote the first one.

after the second episode they fuck in, they dont fuck again for the rest of the show

>>78415035
I mean that's basically what happens at the Olympics. Fit hot people like to fuck each other, stop the presses.

>>78415772
hot

>>78415808
The athletes' handlers get the shit end of that stick. They have to maintain a constant flow of condoms and birth control, and believe me, we aren't talking small amounts here.

>>78408190
Are they that necessary? I couldn't really watch Sense8 with all those gay sex scenes.

>>78413565
Kilgrave is brain damaged, and due to his power and medical history has had essentially no exposure to human social behavior outside of watching TV (he mentions as much, that's where he found out what love looks like). So, he may be an asshole, but he's an asshole with plenty of excuses; you're just not going to get a well adjusted human being with that backstory.

If we're going to talk about sex scenes in Jessica Jones, lets talk about the mind control fetish fuel (or lack thereof)...

I've heard that sort thing was toned down quite a bit from the original comic material. But I haven't read it to confirm, has anyone here?

>>78416384
In Alias, he never raped Jessica. Instead, he made her want to have sex with him and refused to let her.

>>78416492
That wouldve been far more interesting than the "he raped me!!!" Tumblr bullshit they put in instead.

>>78416558
>rape is tumblr shit
I hope you get a personality for Christmas.

>>78408279
there's 13 episodes and there might be maybe 4 sex scenes. all of those happen before the fifth episode anyway.

>>78416492
Ah, that would certainly shift their dynamic a bit.

>>78408086
Her nose is kind of cute when viewed at a certain angle.

>>78416558
Yes and no. It was more unique, but mad Kilgrave a flat sociopath instead of "How much of a monster would a normal person be with mind control?" plus the whole "Wants the one thing he can't have" bit.

Also, I don't see how it's Tumblr at all. Tumblr hates rape existing in fiction. It's too upsetting to them.

>>78417103
>a flat sociopath
Something he already is on the show. Boo-fucking-hoo.

>>78417145
Meant to say "sadist".

And he's not completely flat in the show. He has his desire for the one thing he can't have, his delusion over his childhood and being a decent person, and the fact that he's the ultimate spoiled brat, like that kid from the Twilight Zone. He's not needlessly evil - He's a highly believable result of someone with his history.

>>78417362
That's the definition of flat. In fact, it's a rehash of Ledger's already one-dimensional Joker but with the "he's just a spoiled kid" bullshit as if that adds depth.

>>78408103
Americans really don't like slutty French people.

I love a good sex scene, between characters I actually give a shit about and whose relationship I am invested in. Not two people who just fucking met. Am I a prude for not liking what you don't like?

>>78417440
It's absolutely less flat than "evil", and more importantly it gives him an actual motive.

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>>78417456
what you like*

>>78417440
He has literally nothing in common with TDK's Joker other than wearing purple.

Ledger's Joker was a guy who was trying to prove his philosophy correct. He wasn't especially complex, but he had his own desires and personal conflict (as Bats suggests he's just trying to prove to himself that he's no worse than anyone else), so he's not flat, either.

>>78417457
Define "evil". Because even the shallowest of villains have motives unless they're cartoon characters.
And no, it's not less flat. Being a selfish brat who wants a new toy is one of the most hollow motivations imaginable.


>>78417518
>I'm a bastard and everyone is a bastard like me
How is that not fucking flat?

>>78417587
It's still more than one layer. And it's a simple motivation, but leagues better than "I just like hurting people".

>How is that not fucking flat?
Because it's more than one characteristic. He is both motivated by an ideal and insecure about it.

>>78417648
>It's still more than one layer.
Good joke, anon.
And no, it's in the same tier as "I just like hurting people" of awfulness no matter how hard you try to deny it.

>>78417796
It's clearly not, though. 2 dimensions is more than one.

>>78417826
What 2 dimensions?
Joker's only character trait is projecting like a dumb teenage anarchist.
Michael Corleone is two-dimensional, Joker is even more shallow than John Doe from Se7en, a movie that TDK subtly ripped off.

>>78417922
I already explained them: His ideals, and his insecurity.

Kilgrave has his desires and his social retardation.

>>78417966
Desire to hurt people: desire to feel power over others and hide your insecurities by presenting yourself as something scary to your victim and possibly convincing yourself that you are not powerless.
See, I can do that too! Doesn't make it less one-dimensional.

Joker's ideals and insecurity are bland trash and an excuse to pretend he's not a one-dimensional villain.

Kilgrave is the most shallow villain I've seen on television in ages.

>>78418030
>Kilgrave is the most shallow villain I've seen on television in ages.
How much TV do you watch? Because he's not even the shallowest cape villain on TV, let alone all of it.

Making him a sadist would have made him infinitely more boring.

>>78418082
>infinitely more boring
That wouldn't be possible.
And I don't watch TV capeshit. I only watched JJ because a person involved with the series I liked is a showrunner here.

>>78418030
>Desire to hurt people: desire to feel power over others and hide your insecurities by presenting yourself as something scary to your victim and possibly convincing yourself that you are not powerless.
That's speculation that was never touched upon in the original series. A villain is one-dimensional when all they have is a motive, with no insight into why, or any internal conflict.

Joker and Kilgrave aren't deep, but they aren't one-dimensional either. They're both entertaining, the former fills his thematic role well, and the latter is a highly believable person.

>>78418141
>That wouldn't be possible.
It would.

If you watched any other cape TV you could tell. I can respect you having higher standards, but don't claim it to be among the worst when it's not even in the lower 70% of garbage on TV.

>>78418183
>Kilgrave
>entertaining
No. He's the same kind of boring as the final villain on Dexter. About as believable too. A believable person would be terrified of themselves if they ruined someone's life with powers like that and would probably lock themselves away not wanting to interact with people and be an even bigger mess than Jessica which would be ten thousand times more interesting and fitting thematically than what we've got.

He's just a generic sociopath on the show.

>>78418216
Oh, come on.
He makes someone like Malvo on Fargo look like an actual character.

>>78416558
Naw. Kilgrave having a clear goal makes for a stronger narrative, plus him being a product of his powers leaves some conversation to be had rather than none. The only thing the original had going for it was novelty - "Oh, I haven't seen that torture method before".

>>78418309
>A believable person would be terrified of themselves if they ruined someone's life with powers like that and would probably lock themselves away not wanting to interact with people
If they grew up with those powers, they absolutely would not. I'd argue that it's even unrealistic to expect an adult who can get whatever they want with no consequences to stay on the moral path.

>>78418584
Bullshit. Normal people mature and develop empathy.

>unrealistic to expect an adult who can get whatever they want with no consequences to stay on the moral path
Now that's what I call edgy.jpg
No one would pull the same shit Kilgrave pulled with powers like that, unless they're already as fucked up as say Ted Bundy.

>>78418795
>Normal people mature and develop empathy.
Even when the entire world bends to their whim, and they almost never interact with people as people rather than playthings or tools?

>>78418795
>No one would pull the same shit Kilgrave pulled with powers like that, unless they're already as fucked up as say Ted Bundy.
I strongly disagree, as do the writers and David Tennant.

>>78419142
Kids casually torture animals to death, then grow up feeling remorseful even though they got away with it.
I'd imagine with tormenting people the remorse would be worse.

>>78419185
Those gets get exposed to being on the other side of things, though, and dealing with human beings AS human beings. Kilgrave got none of that, which is precisely why he's so messed up, like a giant kid. He's totally disconnected from humanity because he's never interacted with them like a normal person.

>>78412712
Somebody pls

>>78419343
And it's still stupid and unbelievable.
Again, human brain develops. A kid may kill someone as because he doesn't see others as human (and let's be honest, kids are entirely capable of that), then spend their entire life feeling remorseful. Human influence is irrelevant, otherwise street kids would be all irredeemable sociopaths.

Not to mention he can interact with people like a normal person, which makes him as a character even more retarded.


He's not believable.
He's messed up because he's a shit villain on a shit show and his childhood bullshit is just an idiotic contrived way to fool a viewer into thinking that he has any depth.

>>78419156
I'll consider their opinions when they'll make a good show.

>>78419521
>Human influence is irrelevant, otherwise street kids would be all irredeemable sociopaths.
Street kids experience suffering. They can empathize because they've actually been in the place of people who suffer. They're the opposite of spoiled and entitled brats like Kilgrave. A better comparison would be people born wealthy and pampered all their lives, who often lack empathy for the suffering of those less fortunate simply because they're so disconnected from them. Even most people will have difficulty relating to problems too different to ones they have faced.

>Not to mention he can interact with people like a normal person, which makes him as a character even more retarded.
He can humble them, but people will still only do what he lets them do, and if he ever wants anything he can get it instantly.

>In December 2015, (Scott) Buck was hired to serve as showrunner and executive producer for the Marvel and Netflix series Iron Fist
I don't even know if I want to gloat and enjoy that my pain is getting inflicted on others or feel sorry for Ironfistfags.

>>78419666
So, you're admitting he's no different than characters on Scream Queens.
Except that show was aware its characters are one-dimensional caricatures, while JJ pretends anyone on it has any depth.

>>78408086
Who gives a shit? Maybe if the sex scenes were a bit longer and showed off Ritter's ass then the show would actually be worth a damn

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>>78412712
>>78419354

>>78408506
a goddess

>>78413243
>Elaborate on why it's bad
>anon thinks you want a discussion and writes a nice long post
>well you're wrong/you have shit taste
Every
Fucking
Time

>>78419676
Don't worry, it'll get rave reviews and every marvel fanboy will never stop sucking it's cock.
Netflix shows being some beacon of quality is a giant meme.

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>>78418309
>No. He's the same kind of boring as the final villain on Dexter. About as believable too. A believable person would be terrified of themselves if they ruined someone's life with powers like that and would probably lock themselves away not wanting to interact with people and be an even bigger mess than Jessica which would be ten thousand times more interesting and fitting thematically than what we've got.

Are you... arguing for the adaption not to adapt the material proper?

And why do you think every person with that kind of power would act the same? For example the author of calvin and hobs. Most people would milk the shit out of a popular comic that he had, but he didn't.

But anyways Killgrave isn't shakesperan deep, nobody will argue that. But he is pretty damn believable for a person with parent issues, got essentially tortured at a young age, and has to deal with having no true legitimate social contact unless he talks in very basic sentences.

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>>78422124
You're doing Grud's work anon.

>>78419666
Fuck didn't even think about that rich excuse. That type of thinking is actually used in court cases to bull shit away rich brats getting lower sentences.

>>78422463
Well, Zebediah is shit so I guess Kilgrave being a shit character counts as "adapting proper".

Neither comic nor tv series versions are interesting as a character, (TV series being a mild improvement, but still barely being a step-up from Jason Voorhees and someone more fitting to be a one-shot villain than a main antagonist) and he's not menacing or scary to make up for that.
At least straying from the source material further could've made him an actual character.
Worked for Mister Freeze, after all.

>>78410786
What the hell does that mean?

>tfw can't watch TV without it being forced in my face that everyone else has satisfying sex and social lives while I have none
You just have to realize the problem is on your side OP. Nothing wrong with feeling that way but it's not the show's fault we aren't gonna make it

If Kilgrave had won and got Jessica permanently under his power, my dick would have exploded.

Does anyone have webms of these so called sex scenes?
I need to see how long they actually are
For research

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>>78408506

I didn't know I was racist until this show. I can now honestly say I don't like watching black people (pretend to) have sex.

Ick.

>>78426256
That doesn't make someone a racist but nice try

>>78426256
Luke barely did anything.

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ok i know im a little late, and of course i didnt read the entire thread before asking, but why was everyone on /co/ buzzing about kilgraves powers at the end of the show? they werent that incredible, and the ending to me seemed anticlimatic in a way.

>>78418309
>the final villain in dexter.. was dexter

>>78408587
>watching TV
>better than anyone else, ever.
Pick one.

>>78408527
>believing stereotypes

You're not as smart as you think you are

>itt: people who watched one episode

man i wonder why the characters and conflicts seem so flat and hollow