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Mine's the one for "Out of Darkness" simply for the question
I mean you can read Leia's character that way but the film clearly focuses on Luke
Han clearly drops everything to help out both the Super Princess and the Destined Farmer Boy though
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>THAT DOESN'T COMPUTE
>OH WAIT, YOU'RE UNDER ARREST
>being this new
Why do some people who hate Star Wars or have never seen Star Wars like to lord that fact over the fans? Is it to spite the vocal minority who acts like the entire franchise is sacrosanct? If that's the case, that seems petty. I've never seen The Sopranos but I don't act superior to those who have seen it and are fans of the show. There are a lot of popular movies that I don't care for, but I don't see myself as an iconoclast. Besides, in my experience, most SW fans are people who just like some aspect of the franchise, not the more obsessive lot that's easier to stereotype.
Fair's fair, now, Han didn't really have much going for him after his drug smuggling job fell through and all these bounty hunters wanted his balls in a carbonite slab. Hanging out with the Rebellion seemed as much for his safety as helping them.
Theory time here, anons. Will put spoilers on for the rare few who haven't seen it just yet.
Rey is Luke's daughter or his last surviving pupil. In either case, after Kylo killed his academy it's possible that Luke entrusted her to that fat guy on Jakku after using a jedi mindtrick to obscure her memories. He kinda just gave up after all and probably didn't trust that leaving her with someone like Han or Leia who are publicly known to be that safe. As far as we can tell she wasn't a slave or abused on Jakku and she would have needed to help to survive on that planet. That guy probably had orders to keep her out of trouble and couldn't show favoritism to her as he's the one who distributes food. Notice he tried to get the droid away from her peacefully, an astromech which is normally used by people who get up to trouble in some manner, and when his goons went for it they didn't try to hurt her. They tried to distract and disable her, and run away with bb-8. Then they make it off planet. In the Falcon. At this point Kylo is also interested in her and the force has a habit of "coincidences" when it comes to these kind of things. Also she is sent with just Chewie and r2 to find Luke. Leia might be needed to organize the war machine for the republic, but sending JUST her and the fuzzball and tincan plus the hug leia gave her? Something's up with that.
Yeah I agree. It's the one we ended up voting for.
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supposedly just an assassin versed in an alien martial art teras kasi.
later EU retconned her into an Emperor's Hand like Mara (and then later into one of the first fallen jedi who existed before the Sith).
Podracing movie when?
That's what I thought initially, but now I'm more on board with the idea that Kylo was the one who left her on Jakku, and that her only relation to the Skywalkers is that he took her in for a time after finding her. My thinking is that he discovered her while he and some other Knights were on a mission or in a battle of some kind on that planet shown in her vision where they were surrounded by bodies. He couldn't bring himself to kill her for whatever reason, maybe because he could sense the Force in her, and took her in with the intention of teaching her, but for whatever reason gave up on it. Instead of killing her, he wiped her mind, erasing her memories and any notion of what the Force was or the fact that she could use it, and left her on Jakku with Unkar (who, in fact, was shown in the movie to be in contact with the First Order anyway).
>all these plebs unironically ranking Empire above ANH
Kylo is pretty much Anakin except done right
There's a certain ODD mood to Rebels now, isn't there? How exactly do all these people end up by TFA times?
Oh- oh god, is this how people who thought the prequels were too far off to care about felt? Is the OT prequels now?
Replace all of the uses of "Shrek" in the Shrek copypasta with "Darth Vader" and you basically have Kylo Ren.
>I was only 9 years old
>I loved Darth Vader so much, I had all his helmets and fashion sense
Kylo's resemblance to Jacen is even uncanny.
>Podracing movie when?
You know... I think it could work. I want this.
If only for more Podracer.
They're totally two different characters.
I still remember ARDEN LYN from that game being said.
I thought she was neat even if that game was pretty...underwhelming. Was neat to have a character that reached the Force through her martial arts training.
TFA was better than Fury Road
Leia begging Tarkin not to blow up Alderaan had more emotional weight than the First Order destroying that system because no one actually seemed to care. Immediately after it happened, no one seemed to think it was important, because they just moved on to what Rey was doing.
>TFA was better than Fury Road
But that's wrong.
>But that's wrong.
You're probably an idiot that thinks it was odd Rey could do the stuff she was doing despite there being 6 films that laid the groundwork for it.
Definitely not and I'm actually really worried for the third film, getting the director of JW seems like a shitty idea based solely on the success of JW which really more of a momentous occasion that had people going to check out JW than the merit of the film itself. (Similar to TFA but not the same)
>You're probably an idiot that thinks it was odd Rey could do the stuff she was doing despite there being 6 films that laid the groundwork for it.
What are you even talking about? Just leave.
THIS, for the love God THIS
What did you drooling slack-jawed retards think they were going to do to show the force was in balance again? Just have Luke go
>Mmm, the Force is balanced now. I feel it, so balanced. So very balanced and low in calories now.
>that one idiot came into every thread for weeks saying "look at this scene! there's no way this movie will be bad!"
>come to this scene in the movie
>IT'S FUCKING NOTHING OF CONSEQUENCE
Why is /swr/ so fucking stupid?
Are you honestly saying facts about Star Ward don't belong in this Star Wars thread?
>Prophecy was fulfilled and balance restored
>Sith shrine died and can no longer attack lightsiders across the galaxy
The Starkiller weapon felt so tacked on. Characters want to destroy it on principle but even then none of them have any real story investment. It really felt like they just needed something for the Resistance to do.
Plus the scene prior was enough.
Her begging for her planet, saying that they're peaceful and can't fight anyone, and her gazing at it before deciding to tell Tarkin what he wants to know. Lets us know that this is important to her.
And then there's the fact that they mention it later and that it was actually the place the heroes were traveling to.
We never got anything like that in TFA.
It was, and it serves as a demonstration of why they're fighting, but it also serves to derail their trip since the place Ben, Luke and friends have been trying to get to (and the entire reason they hired Han to begin with) has just been destroyed. In TFA, the Hosnian System has no actual story importance. We hear that the Republic capital was destroyed but not only does that mean nothing personally to any of the characters, we're not even given enough context to care about it on a larger scale.
On top of that, the fight against the Death Star is crucial not only because it's a dangerous weapon, but because it's come to find them and now failing to destroy it also means that Leia and the rebels are going to be destroyed. Starkiller Base doesn't get that kind of tension, even the story stops paying much attention to it as a threat and focuses more on Kylo and his interactions with the heroes. Poe's attack on the base becomes kind of an afterthought rather than something fundamentally important to the story.
>On top of that, the fight against the Death Star is crucial not only because it's a dangerous weapon, but because it's come to find them and now failing to destroy it also means that Leia and the rebels are going to be destroyed.
Technically this is the case in TFA too, since Starkiller Base was targeting D'Qar, but it's not treated with the same urgency as the Death Star targeting Yavin 4. The fact that you forgot it was even targeting D'Qar is kind of telling of how poorly Starkiller Base's menace was conveyed.
Yeah, it's a much bigger threat on paper but they don't do a good job of selling it. They really should've just stuck to the quest for Luke as the big thing everyone's fighting over instead of forgetting it halfway into the movie so everyone can lazily deal with Ultra Death Star Deluxe X.
We'll see George at the Oscars.
Kinda true, its lacking slow dread moments. Maybe they should have had it manage to fire and they fail to stop it but beam has to adjust itself toward the planet due to the damage they inflicted and you see some capital ships in orbit get vaporized or something. And as it nears the surface you see Leia have a moment of peace as she seems to accept death or so as it grazes the planet and you think that maybe Leia just got killed too. After Han dying you could genuinely feel it might happen.
Then bam Poe finally takes it out and everyone is saved.
I hope Ezra gets at least gets referenced in the movies somehow
He's just a kid. Before ANH, he isn't doing much (that we know of so far) its Hera/Ahsoka doing all the important stuff.
He may be dead before ANH even happens. And if they do confirm him alive, it takes any tension out of Rebels because we'll know he has the "I can't die because I am confirmed to show up in the future" plot armor that half the cast of TCW had.
I'd rather, if he DOES survive post-ANH, that they keep it secret for a while.
Actors aren't the necessarily the same age as their characters. Daisy Ridley is 23 and Rey is born "Approximately 11 years after the Battle of Endor"
Gwendoline Christie is 38 and Phasma could be 40 potentially or so.
Rey has an Imperial accent somehow...Phasma could be her mother.
Luke did fall in love with an Imperial in the old EU and have a kid with them...
Probably won't be, but she fits as a candidate.
>Luke did fall in love with an Imperial in the old EU and have a kid with them...
>yfw nothing about the current timeline rules out bringing back Mara Jade and the events of the Thrawn Trilogy
I thought both of these things at work.
Saw Episode 7 yesterday and have been thinking about it since.I think I don't really like it. It's not a good movie, and I'm afraid I'm going to be one of the only people I know that will think so. SPOILERS AHEAD, for any who are reading.
The writing was a clusterfuck to say the least.
Finn had a better story arc than the main character Rey, who doesn't even HAVE and arc in the movie. My brother and I figured that this is mostly because she doesn't have any real motive or mission statement in the movie to define her character, like Luke did after his family was murdered in a New Hope.
A big, BIG, problem that really rustled me was that no one ever so much as looked sad or bothered by the destruction of those 4-5 planets. Was one of them Coruscant? We were shown a city planet as one of them and if Coruscant is gone then I may get legit pissed off.
Rey's ability with the force is another sticking point that I can't get over. People are already calling her a Jedi, and they need to be slapped in their gormless, plebeian faces. Luke wasn't a Jedi until RotJ. Hell, he didn't even use his lightsaber or the force all that much until then either, and he was a prodigy wunderkid. Rey is just better than him I guess.
I want more Phasma. I need more Phasma. The fact they hyped her up as some kind of person who would do something in the movie really made me mad when she literally does nothing and is thrown into the garbage. She doesn't even fire her gun. I want my chrome plated, space cape wearing, stormtrooper den mother God Dammit.
Maz. Christ what the fuck was the story group thinking letting this happen. She's 1000 years old (making her older than Yoda), is apparently an acquired taste on par with fucking WATER, and the biggest fucking hand wave I've ever seen (so big in fact I can only assume the movie was attempting to use the Jedi Mind Trick on the audience), she has Anakin's Lightsaber. THE ONE THAT FELL INTO THE CLOUDY DEPTHS OF BESBIN.
I wonder how long before Leeland Chee starts having to deal with people running up to him and asking him to explain away technical shit from TFA, like how Starkiller Base worked.
"Well you see although Starkiller Base absorbed the energy of the local star the planet didn't later collapse into a star the size of a planet, that was a, er, plasma sphere held together by residual magnetic forces from the world. Also the Base fires a hyperspace based weapon and the beam radiates light that also travels at hyperspace speeds but it's still visible as regular light...somehow. And the reason people could see that solar system explode from light years away is it created a localized hyperspace effect that let everyone see the explosion in real time regardless of distance due to, uhm, well..."
And at this point he grabs the cup of hot coffee from Pablo Hidalgo's hands, throws it in the face of the questioner, and runs.
>The writing was a clusterfuck to say the least.
I disagree, it was quite charming, and definitely captured the spirit of classic Star Wars.
>Finn had a better story arc than the main character Rey, who doesn't even HAVE and arc in the movie.
You are sadly right here, and the worst thing is that Finn's story arc was still clunky. He has been raised as if in a cult since a child to believe he is a savior of the Galaxy, but seems A-OK ditching his family and killing them instead. There is literally nothing to suggest the FO had taught him wrong About the Resistance. There's no way he should have been so happy and trusting and willing to help them. He should have had more drama and turmoil about his place in the Galaxy, rather than just accepting things as they went along.
>A big, BIG, problem that really rustled me was that no one ever so much as looked sad or bothered by the destruction of those 4-5 planets.
This was one of the worst parts of the movie for sure. Awful explanation. No, that wasn't Coruscant, but I don't think anywhere in the movie is it ever specified. I think the future Aftermath books will go into detail about why the Senate moved from Coruscant (which doesn't make sense in the first place)
I completely agree, the whole planet destruction thing was just so poorly done, I wonder why they bothered.
>Rey's ability with the force is another sticking point that I can't get over.
I agree. Luke took at least months to perform a mind trick, possibly over a year. Rey did it on her third attempt after previously believing the Jedi to be legends.
>I want more Phasma. I need more Phasma.
JJ says next movie. AKA "we put her in this one because we knew she was going to sell a shitton of merch and we wanted to jump on that ASAP"
>Maz. Christ what the fuck was the story group thinking letting this happen.
I wanted to like her, but I agree, she was so awkward. "Muh eyes, I see your eyes durr"
Ok to be fair, it just hit the floor of the large room, it didn't fall out into the Gas Giant (that we know of) HOWEVER, this still presents a problem; Why didn't Luke go and get it instead of building his own Lightsaber between V and VI? Why did he wait until after VI to decide "hey, maybe my old Lightsaber isn't lost after all!"
Overall I agree with you. There was quite a few things that bugged me outside of the fact that the plot is the most rehashed one in the franchise so far. (And people thought VI was guilty of rehashing, doesn't even come close to VII)
Still enjoyed it overall though, but I dunno', maybe when the hype dies down...
Starkiller base was dumb. That's really all there is to it. No one is intimidated by it, it has no real gravitas within the movie, and quite frankly it's shittier than the Death Star in every way. (Death Star > Planet, charges shot in 10-30 seconds. Starkiller > 5 Planets, charges shot in 15 min - hour, it's a bit unclear, but maybe I am not remembering things right)
Poe da best.
Most of Finn's comic relief lines were cringy, but not the worst I've ever seen.
It was not shot like a Star Wars movie, which is a minor gripe, but it took me out of the movie a bit.
Kylo Ren stopped a blaster bolt with the force and didn't really focus on it while he had a conversation. I have a bug bug up my ass about this.
This movie's ending fucking sucks. There isn't any other way to say it. Episode 8 should have been following the map and finding Luke. It would have given Rey's team of friends to do, even though they don't really come off as a team of friends like the OT cast did. Instead we get a really bad panning helicopter shot and Luke and Rey gazing at eachother in silence for 30 seconds while the audience hoots and hollers. Feels bad to be quite frank.
There's some other stuff I could talk about, but it's mostly small things that don't seem to bother most people, but if I had to add one more thing to the list it's probably how everyone is going to love this movie, and any criticism is going to be shouted down under a chorus of "IT'S BETTER THAN LUCAS RAPING US WITH THE PREQUELS, ISN'T IT ANON?!" or "REY IS FIRST FEMALE JEDI IF YOU NO LIKE UR A SEXIST CONTRARIAN THAT JUST DOESN'T LIKE ANYTHING"
Feels bad man. Feels real bad.
>Starkiller base was dumb.
On the contrary, I love the idea, but the execution was awful. It should have been introduced in 8, and been the final boss for 9.
>Poe da best.
He was pretty fun, what we saw of him anyway.
>It was not shot like a Star Wars movie, which is a minor gripe, but it took me out of the movie a bit.
I actually thought it mostly looked fine. Except for the last scene, and that last shot. You know the one I am talking about. HO-LY SHIT that looked awful.
>Kylo Ren stopped a blaster bolt with the force
I'm always open to see new Force Powers (as long as they dont dump too many on us at once), so I rather liked Kylo's ability to freeze things.
If I had to add my own personal gripe, its the whole "Luke leaves like a bitch, but leaves a map" thing. I am still trying to comprehend why anybody would do this, let alone fucking Luke Skywalker. This is the same motherfucker that stood in front of Sheev and said "Soon I'll be dead, and you with me", and now you're telling me he had all his students murdered, and he ran away into hiding?! What?! But he left a map just because?!?!
Oh and R2 turning on conveniently at the end was cringeworthy.
>I agree. Luke took at least months to perform a mind trick, possibly over a year. Rey did it on her third attempt after previously believing the Jedi to be legends.
I disagree with this one. It's no more crazy than Luke being taught to connect with the Force with the blast shield on the helmet down and then later connecting with the Force after turning off his targeting computer. Kylo Ren invaded her mind with the Force and she found that she could push it both ways. Then with nothing to lose she managed, after several attempts, to make a connection on her own. She didn't master it and it wasn't a true technique, it was more of a raw use of the Force, untrained and untested, but she managed to make it work. Afterward she didn't rely on it because it wasn't like she actually unlocked the Mind Trick.
The Force has always worked like that even for untrained. Sudden bouts of precognition, visions, reflexes. An effect like the Mind Trick is really impressive but certainly not beyond reason, especially for someone strong in the Force. Similar that moment when fighting Kylo Ren where instead of giving in to despair she manages to find her spiritual center within the Force and uses it as a momentary power up. Very possible, especially given Kylo Ren was already wounded as he was, but it mostly shows her potential. She still needs training and learning control over her newfound abilities.
>JJ says next movie.
I don't doubt she'll show up but JJ isn't working on the next film. Neither is Kasdan. They were specifically doing a one-and-done. Rian Johnson is heading up VIII and IX.
Speaking of Phasma, wouldn't it be cool if we got a comic that starts with her capture. We could see her survive being thrown into the Trash Compactor, and how she escaped Starkiller Base.
Kinda ruin's Yoda's mystique as the embodiment of the Wise Old Wizard trope when there's someone older and potentially wiser than him that was always hanging around with a almost famous reputation.
I know Yoda doesn't (and shouldn't) corner the market on the trope, but he was something special in the previous films. Someone abnormally long lived. But now there's two races that live for a long time, and they don't use it well in the movie. Yoda looks, sounds, and acts old. Maz acts like a spry 50 year old grannie that's still in good shape. I can believe Yoda is 900 years old. I can't believe Maz is 1000.
I don't know if that helps get my feelings across, but that's what I got.
Because he's a blatant rip-off. That wouldn't be bad if they hadn't fucking insisted he was Donut Steel and got all the books and comics I was reading cancelled because they said they "didn't want to be constrained".
Fuck me, I don't even like Jacen Solo and I have to suffer because they wanted to use him? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I'm not really sure Luke left the map as much as what he was looking for, the very first Jedi Temple, was known to the Empire. They even said that the First Order knew most of the map from Imperial records except for (somehow) that missing bit that was on Jakku,. Something for some reason only on one of the crashed ships? Good a guess as any.
As for Artoo, well, it's telling that he reactivates when Rey shows up on the same planet. Was he waiting for her? No clue, but there's certainly more than a little destiny at play. The Force works in mysterious ways.
>I'm not really sure Luke left the map as much as what he was looking for, the very first Jedi Temple
Oh, I see. If it was just a map to the Temple, that would be much more believable and understandable. I don't think that was explained well enough in the movie at all though. I remember one line about an old Jedi Temple I think. I'll have to watch the movie again.
>The Force works in mysterious ways.
I don't like it, but i'll accept it. There's a billion coincidences in Star Wars required for everything to work, so I guess I can turn a blind eye to R2 waking up like that.
Difference is, didn't Luke always wanna' join the Rebellion? He just got pulled into things way sooner than expected, and he made plenty of mistakes. Rey was just waiting for "muh parents", got pulled into things, and accepted it while still performing exceptionally well for someone who just found out she has the force.
I suppose what made me unhappy with the stopping a blaster bolt with the force thing is that it is such a One Use Power. It's never used again, and I doubt it ever will be. And when you have a character that can do things like this, you usually get people who say "Why doesn't he do it again, or all the time? Apparently there's not much effort in keeping it up, so why not?"
He could have easily just blocked it with his lightsaber and then force gripped Poe. I just...it's so gimmicky I can't let it go.
I wouldn't mind that. Not one bit. as long as it is done half way decently.
>On the contrary, I love the idea, but the execution was awful. It should have been introduced in 8, and been the final boss for 9.
It shouldn't have been introduced at all. We now have a Death Star, a Bigger Death Star, and a BIGGER BIGGER Death Star. The only next logical step is a BIGGER BIGGER BIGGER DEAT STAR! It's ludicrous even for this space opera.
>Maz isn't Yoda
Yeah, she's just another short 900+ year old mentor.
I agree with everything else you've mentioned, especially your thoughts about how the film was shot.
It was not shot like a Star Wars movie. It was not edited like a Star Wars movie. It was not paced well like any good movie should. The search for Luke takes up like half of the movie while that plot point comes to a screeching halt to deal with the new dearth star that shouldn't exist, that does not get picked up again until the last 5 minutes of the film, with little dialogue attached with a horrific sweeping camera angle.
It's not good, anons. It's not.
I wouldn't call her a mentor though. She was more of a kick in the ass because they couldn't figure out a way for Rey to find a lightsaber, then they added that part about her running away from her destiny so we wouldn't notice their contrived plot.
I didn't mind Artoo waking up like he did. Han showing up that early, however, did, even (and maybe especially) with how they tried to wave away as totally not a coincidence. They've never been able to track ships like that without a homing beacon installed. I mean really? The Falcon, a ship used for smuggling, is that easy for everybody to track anywhere in the galaxy? Bullshit.
Comparatively Artoo was easy to accept, though frankly I'd much rather if he'd been hanging with Luke all that time. They could have done the whole map thing after dealing with Starkiller Base. It would have been an easy matter setting that aside given the threat.
Anybody else got a "Wizard of Oz" vibe from Snoke?
I'm thinking he isn't that big at all, because they're gonna' want a climactic Lightsaber fight, and I don't think JJ is ok with a CGI "final boss" of the trilogy.
That doesn't make any sense. BB was already bumping uglies with R2 which is why Threepio volunteered the plot information that R2 was in low power mode. At the end of the movie it was R2 suddenly waking up that brought the map discussion back since he had the rest of the map except for the small piece of the puzzle form Jakku.
>The Falcon, a ship used for smuggling, is that easy for everybody to track anywhere in the galaxy?
Han actually made a joke about it.
It's like Abramas knew everything that was wrong with the film but just stuck with it and added some self-depreciation, e.g. w/r/t the death start.
The film style seems really similar to Jurassic World
>She was more of a kick in the ass
She was a plot device, and her in-universe reasons is living long enough to see what evil is in the galaxy, and knowing that the light side of the force is the only way to defeat it.
She even says "I'm not a Jedi, but I know the Force", and starts spouting sage like wisdom we has an audience have all heard before.
Kind of like Yoda.
I'm really not trying to bait here.
>>yfw nothing about the current timeline rules out bringing back Mara Jade and the events of the Thrawn Trilogy
Nothing except her being in that grave Luke was standing by at the end
It's mostly that Luke said he wanted to be a Jedi and fight for the Rebellion, so you had a clear understanding of his motives, and could know or relate to the struggles he faced to accomplish these goals.
Reys goals are not nearly as well defined. At first it was getting BB8 back to the republic, which she felt obligated to do because she was friends with BB8.
Next was coming to gripes with her parents not coming back, which she doesn't handle well, but it is sort of dropped once the empire arrives.
Next is she has to find Luke to become a Jedi. I may have missed something here, but I can't for the life of me remember why she feels she needs to do this. Did Leia ask her to? Was it because of the force visions? Did Han encourage her to? I can't remember.
Also, most of the problems with her stem from her being a Mary Sue, a summary of the condition in pic related.
I know most people's reaction to this claim is going to be met with skepticism or outright contempt, but it's true.
Hell, whenever she's not on screen, everyone is asking "Where's Rey?"
You know I'm glad to see the movie is well liked on /co/ and all discussions about it are actual discussions and not just shit posting, /tv/ is an actual shitshow with the endless amount of threads complaining about Rey and Finn
Why when I type in Admiral Ackbar the Wook's defaults me to a fucking EU ship named after him?
It should be the other way around. Default to his personal article and the small text box above it asking if you mean the ship.
Anon wasn't contradicting what you said, merely that it didn't make sense. I think C-3PO said something about Artoo compiling the rest of the map explaining his "low power mode" but wasn't sure he'd ever wake up.
>Next is she has to find Luke to become a Jedi. I may have missed something here, but I can't for the life of me remember why she feels she needs to do this. Did Leia ask her to? Was it because of the force visions? Did Han encourage her to? I can't remember.
She decides she really should be a Jedi after Kylo Ren fucks up Finn. They never really explain it.
Luke was looking forward, Rey, as Maz said, is stuck to the past. Destiny, and Han and Maz, try to give her a kick in the pants to make her move on and find her own future and path, but she resists. It's Kylo Ren that finally manages to convince her she has a destiny beyond simply waiting for her family to find her.
I prefer that the movie simply showed her moving on to something else, accepting the saber and bringing it to Luke, rather than being so explicit into making her state her sudden change of mind.
All of Rey's goals that you listed are part of the problems with the films pacing I mentioned here >>78357549.
Whatever you think about the quality of the plot, it's layout that is presented in the film is poor.
>being so explicit into making her state her sudden change of mind
I don't disagree this is the reason, but I do disagree it being explicit.
She beats Kylo, gets medical attention for Finn, then goes to find Luke. And before you say that all of that can be discerned from the speechless stare-down Luke and Rey have, all they really do is look at each other. I would agree if that sequence was shorter and didn't have the awful rotating helicopter shot, but it's a 2 minute long scene and the emotions aren't exactly clear.
Again, we know what the development is going to be, and I'm not saying there should have been dialogue in that scene, but god it was awful.
A declaration of intent is sometimes necessary, especially in a space opera which is all about bellowing out your emotions.
And really, that's kinda what she needed. For her entire life she was letting herself be ruled by her fear of moving on, she needed a scene where she tells her friends what she is going to do now, possibly just because she needs to hear herself say it.
It would help solidify her character, and give the viewers something to look forward to in the future. But as it stands, I have no idea whether she's going to stay with Luke or just deliver a message.
I liked how Hux and Kylo Ren clearly don't like each other and fight for Snoke's favor. Tarkin technically outranked Vader, but he still respected him, while Hux can't stand this whiny fanboy
>A declaration of intent is sometimes necessary
A declaration of intent doesn't have to be spoken. They weren't even subtle with it and you sure as hell don't miss her intent, so what's the problem? Do you really need everything redundantly spelled out for you?
I'll reiterate again that no one complained about Anakin being unnaturally good at everything, but now suddenly we're complaining about Rey just because we don't know what she becomes?
Should we have released 10, 11, and 12 first so that you'd know what she becomes so that then we could go back and no one would care that she's good at things in 7, 8, and 9?
So when they went to take down Starkiller Base's shields
why did the group taking down the shield consist solely of Han, Chewie, and Finn? When they took down the Death Star II's shields they brought a whole commando team with them on the shuttle.
>weren't even subtle with it and you sure as hell don't miss her intent
We know she was resisting the path placed before the entire movie up until this point. At the end of the film, I don't know if she's was just an errand girl returning Luke's saber or going to train as a Jedi.
Been getting into the new canon stuff (only read the Thrawn trilogy from the old EU, years ago), read a bunch of the novels back around Force Friday and now the movie has spurred me into reading more.
I like that writers can usually just get on with the story rather than getting bogged down in worldbuilding, but I also have to make sure to have my ipad nearby when I inevitably have to look up some species or ship, which kind of takes you out of it. No idea how people coped with this shit back in the 90s, reference books?
In Before the Awakening's Finn story, the ' Narquois' get mentioned, and I could find nothing on the Wook or elsewhere, are they a new species or something? If so, weird that they wouldn't give any description of them.
Does anyone else kind of like when expanded materials get a bit weird by incorporating mundane real world stuff into this space fantasy universe? Finished Moving Target the other day, and there's a point where they go to a water planet and Leia and her gang dress up in beachwear consisting of floral shirts, shorts and sunglasses.
Pretty sure it was just them. They may not have had the resources for a commando team, or Han didn't want anyone else to come with because they might end up as bugs on the windshield if they mistimed the hyperspace exit.
>Tarkin technically outranked Vader
This is something I love about ANH, everything feels like a small part of a much bigger world and story, and this gets undercut if you watch the movies chronologically and spend three movies putting Anakin in the suit.
>We know she was resisting the path placed before the entire movie up until this point.
Actually she stopped resisting the moment she saw the First Order TIEs heading towards Maz's place. This is when she realizes that running away meant leaving others in danger and she rushes back to help. This was already foreshadowed when she was offered a hefty sum for BB-8, almost took it, but then turned it down. Rey, when tested, chooses doing the right thing and helping others.
>Does anyone else kind of like when expanded materials get a bit weird by incorporating mundane real world stuff into this space fantasy universe? Finished Moving Target the other day, and there's a point where they go to a water planet and Leia and her gang dress up in beachwear consisting of floral shirts, shorts and sunglasses.
Possibly my favorite part of the book. I love how Nien is routinely heading to bars.
Moving Target was comfy in every sense of the word. Never expected it to be like that at all.
>tfw no conehead waifu
There were reference books.
Since I skipped most of the EU in between Thrawn and New Jedi Order, I pretty much got the majority of my EU knowledge from this one book here as a kid.
Cool, I had the OT Visual Dictionary and Incredible Cross-Sections books as a kid which is where I learned about stuff like Obi-Wan and Anakin's duel on Mustafar prior to the prequels releasing, but I never knew anything about the EU as a kid outside of a copy of The Yavin Vassilika my parents got me one Christmas (which I never really read at the time since it was missing the characters I knew from the OT bar Han and Chewie, from what I remember).
Sheev appears in Kylo Ren's dreams. What does he say to Kylo? What would Kylo ask him?
>"IT'S BETTER THAN LUCAS RAPING US WITH THE PREQUELS, ISN'T IT ANON?!"
Well,,,that's the point where all the opinions differ but only in appearance.
I mean, I think pretty much everyone agrees with the flaws of the movie (some people will justify certain points some people will be mad for things that are not bother too much). Departing from this point (the movie is flawed) there is two main lines of thought.
1."Is not as good as the original"
2."Is not as bad as the prequels"
So...actually then again I think everyone agrees the movie has its flaws. Now is juts a matter if you see the glass half empty or half full.
That's wrong. I think TFA is on par with the OT and certainly better than ROTJ. People seem to forget that every Star Wars movie has flaws and weaknesses and TFA's only major flaw is Starkiller Base. Everything else is pretty much nitpicking.
I obviously did miss her intent, which is why I don't understand her motives. Daisy Ridley's expressions and actions didn't help explain anything. Again, it may have been good for her character as one of those "I need to hear myself say it" type things.
Anakin DID have the help of the OT hyping up his skills. In the prequels he's called the chosen one and everyone is saying he's unnaturally powerful. Sheev is gets moist just thinking about him.
Rey is just good at everything. Even the force, which as stated before, she could use better than Luke could in Empire Strikes Back, with out training or even knowing anything about it.
It's possible the counter mind-rape she used on Kylo taught her things, but we as the audience can only guess why she can suddenly do these things she didn't even know she could do.
Yes the force helps you build things and makes good pilots, but that's been shown as more of an intuition and reflexes thing. Rey was flying the Falcon like she'd done so her entire life.
I think most people, especially the deep basement dwelling nerds like me, feel there wasn't any effort in her actions. There was nothing she did that did not work in the immediate. The Mind Trick is the prime example. It should not have been that easy for her to do, and in fact, I can't believe she even knew it was a thing she could do.
That should have been a sign of growth saved for the second movie. In this movie, it doesn't work, in the next, after she's trained a little, it does. Basic character growth right?
Problem is that they don't hold off on any of her successes. All her hurdles are leapt by the end of this movie. There is no growth.
I suppose that's a nice way of looking at it: we all agree the movie has problems but it's all a question of whether or not you can just be happy they're better than what we've had for the last 15 years.
>she has to find Luke to become a Jedi
But she has to find Luke because finding Luke was the goal all along and the Resistance might as well send the one force sensitive person they have around who has his lightsaber while Leia is busy running the organization.
I basically spent the 90s begging my mom for any and all Star Wars or Star Trek reference material.
I have owned all three text editions of the Star Trek Encyclopedia, The Star Trek Chronology, the TNG and DS9 Companions, two complete sets of Enterprise-D blueprints, and an original print of the Star Fleet Technical Manual, plus both the TNG and DS9 tech manuals. Plus various third-party sourcebooks. I never owned Captain's Logs or Captain's Chair.
I was the human equivalent of Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia for a time.
>I obviously did miss her intent, which is why I don't understand her motives. Daisy Ridley's expressions and actions didn't help explain anything. Again, it may have been good for her character as one of those "I need to hear myself say it" type things.
Do you have similar problems with Finn switching from wanting to hide to suddenly running back and obsessively trying to chase Rey down? Or do we give him a pass because he's a guy and she makes his boy bits feel funny?
>"Is not as good as the original"
What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone is praising TFA for being just as good as the OT right now, except for butthurt nerds who hate it for being a "rehash". Yeah, it might be safe and unoriginal, but it's still a really good movie that feels like Star Wars.
I hate how poorly established the Resistance is. Leia isn't in the government helping the Republic, no, she's just still being a rebel thirty years later. Only apparently they've been dicking around and completely failing to stop the First Order despite it only taking, what, five years to topple the Emperor?
I can only assume that since the fall of Luke's new Jedi Order and her son being corrupted that it became personal.
She has to find Luke because Luke's the only person who can save the day. Which means either Rey takes a back seat in her own movie or Luke dies.
They could just have her return without him and make the Resistance inexplicably ready to turn everything over to her. They already did when
they gave her the keys to the Falconso who knows.
No, oddly enough, I don't.
Mostly because I was focusing on how strange it was that Finn didn't retain any of his stormtrooper mannerisms. And I find it curious that he didn't have to overcome a lifetime of First Order propaganda. Honestly, him having a boner for Rey because she's the first nice girl he's met is pretty simple.
I just can't read Rey's mind as well as you can apparently, so, oh well I guess. My loss? I don't know.
Ewoks aren't the only problem with ROTJ. Han and Leia are unimportant side characters that don't do anything in the movie, the second act is really dragging and the cinematography is lazy at times. TFA is just a better movie overall, even if you ignore the ewoks.
>What does he say to Kylo?
"You remind me a lot of the man who became Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker..."
>What would Kylo ask him?
"You really mean that?"
"Yes, like him you're a whiny little cunt"
Certainly not it's only flaw. A much bigger flaw is their failure to establish the state of the galaxy thirty years later. This, you think, would be crucial given it's thirty years after Endor and they are STILL in the middle of a fucking war. We're not even sure how badly the Republic is hurt. Sure the First Order blew up an entire solar system, their new senate, and a fleet but ships can be rebuilt and it turns, new senators can be elected, and it turns out the Republic was in the habit of switching capitals anyway. This is especially true since Aftermath has Mon Mothma deciding to stand down most of their military anyway and train defense forces on individual worlds so the sum total of military might the Republic could call upon was actually pretty diffuse.
OH SHIT I REMEMBER THAT OTHER THING THAT MADE ME MAD
WHY THE EVER LIVING LIFE DAY FUCK IS CHEWIE NOT THE CAPTAIN OF THE MILLENNIUM FALCON?!
IT WAS HIS FRIEND THAT DIED GOD DAMMIT!
It makes enough sense why the New Republic only reluctantly supports the Resistance really.
It makes me wonder what all they were doing for all those years since the First Order was more or less at an uneasy peace with the New Republic until they finished their space-ICBM in secret
Starkiller base is only in there because he was at a "Dinner for Five" episode with Ford, years ago where they are talking about how Han was supposed to die in the assault on the Shield Generator in RotJ. So Abrams recreated that scene to kill him off.
Luke becomes a Jedi, redeems Vader, the Emperor is dead. A epic space-battle rages in the stars. Han and Leia finally get together and there's a huge luau at the end with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Sebastian Shaw.
And honestly, even if it sillier, the original end song is better than the mailed in piece Lucas tacked on.
That's part of my issues with him. He worked in Sanitation before hand, but should have received the same regimented training that every other stormtrooper had gotten.
Like, it would have been nice to see him stand at attention when in the presence of officers, or people who he thought were officers, or going full on /k/ when handed a blaster and starts listing off features and judging it.
I don't know something to denote his upbringing.
I don't think the Republic was reluctant at all. They were just using them as political distance to fight a proxy war and try to slow down/reverse the gains of the First Order without having to go total war themselves. Their fleet seems to be the one thing that was holding the First Order back from attacking the Republic directly, while the Resistance was seen by the Republic as their best weapon against the First Order.
The First Order, of course, falls back on super weapons because why not, it's always worked before right? No? Oh well, surely when they rebuild Starkiller Base it won't blow up. Nope, not at all.
It does seem odd that Finn wasn't detected earlier, especially given the First Order apparently keeps track of their underlings. Statistically speaking though it's entirely possible that someone could get through their ranks and then break down on his first assignment. Especially since the only reason the First Order has would have an offense tracking program is because similar things have happened in the past. We're just following along with one specific trooper who broke ranks after seeing what the First Order is all about.
That they're supposed crack elite of the Imperial military and they're working with the personal agent of their supreme overlord, chasing down information that could drastically change the shift of power in the galaxy?
I mean, he even had his Shiny Pidgey to oversee and back him up. Maybe that's the day they don't pick to take the class on a field trip?
He gave offhand advice on how to handle First Order equipment. He also showed a firm belief at Maz's that the First Order was unstoppable. Possibly just his knowledge of Starkiller Base but also potentially indicative that despite his wanting to leave them he still believes all their lines about how powerful and unstoppable they are. Basically that he still believes their propaganda about their strengths and power but still doesn't want anything to do with them.
Obviously the First Order believes in throwing their rawer Stormtroopers into the deep end, sink or swim time. The very fact that you're hammering in about them sending in the "personal agent of their supreme overlord" makes your complaining about one rookie all the sillier. They weren't basing success on Finn. Blame Kylo Ren for noticing that a Stormtrooper was acting out of sorts and not intervening. Or Phasma for noticing the same thing later and also failing to act on it.
It wasn't the rookie part that was the problem, it was the way he turned against them and got caught up in events that lead to them losing their base. Most rookies who fuck up likely just end up in coffins, nobody plans for the rookie with a super awesome heroic destiny to whoop their asses.
He and his friends, quits this whole rebel/empire bullshit altogether and goes off on adventure at the very edge of the known galaxy.
That's why Luke is the only Jedi left after Yoda beefs it.
>somehow doesn't destroy the atmosphere of the planet and kills everyone outside when used
That would be a pretty bad design flaw if it did that. That's the kind of thing you'd think the engineers would have considered and oh wait I guess they did.
If you want to bitch at anything might as well join >>78357340 and while we're at it why not add them being able to see in the forest fight despite the sun having already been devoured and the fact that the sun was suddenly gone didn't cause horrific gravitational effects throughout the solar system and fuck up the ships and entire planet.
>The very fact that you're hammering in about them sending in the "personal agent of their supreme overlord" makes your complaining about one rookie all the sillier. They weren't basing success on Finn.
It was a stupid scene to reinforce the idea the First Order is bad and that Finn is unambiguously a good guy. There's a million different ways for him to meet Rey, but they chose this scene.
>baww stop bitching about things that don't make sense
Starkiller Base would've made better sense if it was just a bunch of Death Stars welded together to form a super Death Star.
Yeah, because the parallels and reactions the characters have to her don't make it fucking obvious.
You'd have to be fucking blind to not see it, even without a cursory knowledge of the EU. Kylo Ren drops everything the moment he meets her and forgets all about the map. He clearly knows her, Han and Leia have an instant rapport with her, and she inherits the Millenium Falcon for reasons.
Felt that it was less attraction as much as desperate to keep the only people who've treated him as a person. Remember he was willing to jump into a flaming tie wreck to pull Poe out as well instead of running away the moment he woke up.
I thought it was a stubble way of how dehumanizing First order training is, right down to having no names, and the deep fear that you're dead if you don't stop running if you leave.
Most former stormtroopers in EU were like that though, a sign of how well the indoctrination took was how easy it was dropped. Tycho, especially Kyle Katarn who you'd have to guess was a former imp officer. Only exceptions I can think of baron sontirr fel and Madine who still act like Imps.
I don't think they were.
The speeder chase alone was great and Han and Leia's scenes were fantastic. Especially this scene where their dialogue is a mirror of ESB.
I remember arguing with cucks on here a few weeks prior to the release about how Finns wasn't gonna be the main character and how he wouldn't be force sensitive (still to be disproven I guess). People just called me a racist, top kek.
Seriously, it was better than the Kylo/Rey fight. Why is that?
And you know what? Why does there even need to be a twist anyway? How is a character fighting and killing her own brother not compelling enough for anyone?
>those sabers had some goddamn weight to them
Which was the problem. Lightsabers shouldn't have that kind of weight. The hilt shouldn't be more than what, 6-8 pounds? And the blades are weightless.
Kylo Ren literally spins and twirls like he's wielding a greatsword, while Finn flails around as if there's no weight at all.
The only thing I can think of is that he's a showboating faggot who forgot THAT THE WORLD IS LITERALLY ENDING.
> How is a character fighting and killing her own brother not compelling enough for anyone?
Ask anyone who read Legacy of the Force.
The twins were shit characters anyway, Jacen in particular, so be glad the movie left them wallow in the ocean of stale piss that the rest of the EU was tossed into.
Has anyone here read this? It's a short story and is two bucks on Kindle - I got it last night and read it in about 20 minutes. It's breddy gud, it's a horror story set in Maz Kanata's castle.
>may need cybernetics to correct damage done to his back by Ben
>Phasma gonna be hunting him. Might catch him and brainwash him again
It's more likely than you may think...
I thought the entire fight as great though. On my second watch, I noticed how through the whole fight at the beginning before she does her Force thing, Rey is effectively trying to just stab and run away from Ren the entire time
>Hell, whenever she's not on screen, everyone is asking "Where's Rey?"
The reason for that joke is when people ask about the character whenever and at random times. The only times "Where's Rey" occurs are 1) involving Finn or 2) in a situation where they all could get killed like the Stormtroopers attack on Maz's castle
They're both clearly based on Pre-Vader Anakin. I feel Kylo pulls it off better.
The main thing that sets Kylo apart from them is that he is gifted but unconfident instead of overconfident.
Because Chewie is the copilot, and contrary to dismissal of him as a side character, he loved Han. As honorable as Wookies are, I could totally see him not wanting to claim Captain because that's Han's place. Not his. Did it bother you when He let Lando Captain instead of him at the end of Empire?
Finn was too quippy too jokey. I know they're probably terrified to be close to the prequels but he needed to be stiffer and less personable. He's so programmed since childhood to be a soldier he doesn't even have a name. He should have learned to loosen up and be jokey not crack wise off the bat
>I know they're probably terrified to be close to the prequels but he needed to be stiffer and less personable.
Are you trying to say the prequels weren't full of quips?
Do you already forget the Anakin and Obi Wan banter?
His personality was something I found interesting. In the TFA novelization there's a bit where he just goes up to a stormtrooper and is all like 'hey bro when you off duty' and the guy responds chilly before realizing how off he is.
Can you imagine how off-duty FO troopers must be? TR8-R was probably a megabro.
> He's so programmed since childhood to be a soldier he doesn't even have a name. He should have learned to loosen up and be jokey not crack wise off the bat
I think the implication is his programming never worked. There's bound to be mistakes and errors in any process.
>Attack of the Clones: 66%
critics confirmed for tards
If Han were just another associate, sure. There is emotional investment in their relationship though. Personally, I thought it was sad as fuck when he had to jump in the Captains seat to pick up Rey and Finn, but it is totally organic for Chewie to need time to grieve in my book. Besides, just because he isn't in the Captain's seat doesn't mean he isn't respected as the unofficial authority on the Falcon. Chewie probably knows that cockpit inside and out, and most likely could pilot it from either seat. That doesn't change the fact that the copilot seat is where he is most comfortable. Besides, he can bark orders to Rey from the co pilot seat just as easily as as could from the pilot seat, so who is to say that just by being the senior onboard he doesn't make the copilot seat the captain seat. You're free to be bothered by things in general. That's just REALLY nitpicky in my book.
If someone wants to think the OT as a whole is better than TFA, I wouldn't mind letting them. I think ROTJ and TFA are about equal myself.
However just because ROTS is the least bad prequel doesn't really make it good or likable at all.
>yfw you remember the anon who said Poe telling Finn to keep his jacket is like Chad giving his letterman jacket to his gf
This. I've discovered that while I disagree with anyone who ranks TFA over RotJ, it doesn't bother me as much that much since the more I think about it the more I realize just how enjoyable TFA was to me.
But people ranking RotS above TFA and/or any of the OT movies? Why?
He had fucking tictacs in that box and what looks like tater tots and Chex Mix.
ROTJ had problems. The cutesy scenes with the Ewoks including their jury rigged traps downing two AT-STs as well as the fact it felt more like two moves (the rescue of Han + the assault on the Death Star) glued together and Vader being way too subservient to Palpatine. But despite all the problems it was better way better than TFA since it concluded the OT and Vader/Luke's arc on a strong note.
>There's really not many weak parts in ROTS
Yes there is. It literally has the same problems as the first two just with less nothing happening. It starts out really great and fun but once it really start going into Anakin's "turn", it starts to fall on itself. Also the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight sucks. It was great in the beginning when they were just going at it but once the lava starts going crazy. All you need is the first three minutes and the last HIGH GROUND moments of the battle and you'd have the fight
The pre-fight dialogue between those two is the most unintentional comedic delivery of serious dialogue I've ever seen
Not that ROTJ isn't the weakest of the OT but come on
>It's a far better balanced movie. There's really not many weak parts in ROTS compared to ROTJ.
I personally think that RotS was actually pretty much what i wanted it to be, aside from some shitty directing choises. We saw Anakin become a remorseless Murderer, honestly, if you remove most of his dialogue from the final showdown with Obi-Wan, I'd call the scene one of the best in the franchise. Don't get me wrong, Christianson is a good actor, Lucas just gave him shitty direction. I'd remove all of his lines except the "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." only, get him to say it less like a whiny bitch.
>In this one movie, I'm more interested in Ben than I ever was in Jacen
I just want more Legacy. I don't care about canon, I don't care about these films. I just want the characters and setting that I liked. But I won't get it. It's not a part of their marketing strategy. Me. An asshole with too much money and not enough sense, who has bought more toys, books, and doo-dads than I know what to do with and they're telling me to fuck off because they think some kids might get confused and upset.
If you find happiness in how things have played out, if you genuinely enjoy the new movie and comics, books, and cartoons then I'm happy for you. But I don't. It's not even about being bitter, they just don't do it for me. I didn't like the prequels and I don't like this. It's like wanting strawberry ice cream, but being told they're only going to serve chocolate from now on.
I thought it was bluegrass myself.
On one hand, it's no cantina song. On the up side, it's not Jedi Rocks.
Lapti Nek. ...and I've had that stuck in my head for close to a week.
The pre-fight dialogue could have worked if the delivery didn't sound so butt-fucking retarded.
It also still feels weird that Anakin goes from "He must stand trial, it's not the Jedi way" to "kill all the children" in like 10 minutes
>and they're telling me to fuck off because they think some kids might get confused and upset.
It's more like they're telling you to fuck off because they think people like you, the ones who actually would care about the timeline and how shit can fit in the EU as it was, might get confused and upset.
I always said it makes more sense for Mace Windu to become Darth Vader. He's the one who seemed more likely to test the boundaries of the Jedi's ethics, and does right when he dies.
>Now that you're out of the way-
>I know what you're going to say next!
>you're next line is: "Now all I need is to find the map to valley and destroy the emperor!"-Right?
>Now all I need is to find the map to the valley and destroy the emperor!
>ROTJ had weight during the Luke/Vader fight though
Because Marquand insisted on it. He didn't understand the physics behind lightsabers and wanted them to appear heavy and cumbersome.
The PT truly had the most accurate depiction in skilled use of a lightsaber.
I let the Finn versus Kylo fight go because Finn only used a lightsaber like twice and Kylo was injured+purposelytrainedwrongasajoke.
When/if they have Luke into action in the next films, he better do some shit like we're accustomed to Jedi being able to do.
ROTJ: First act = good, second act = mediocre, third act = great
TFA: First act = great, second act = good, third act = good
TFA is the better movie, imo. I think JJ's movie is pretty much on par with ANH and the acting has been the best in the entire saga so far.
>He didn't understand the physics behind lightsabers
There is no physics behind lightsabers.
It's time to stop trying to explain Star Wars tech with science. Star Wars isn't Sci-Fi. It's fantasy in space.
>Starkiller Base is not the main HQ of the First Order
>Snoke likes to keep his command center mobile
>Resistance fears there are new Star Destroyers much bigger than the Resurgent-class, which is already huge on it's own
Snoke commands from a new-age Super Star Destroyer confirmed
>He didn't understand the physics behind lightsabers
What fucking physics? When have lightsabers ever had physics? The fact that there's like three different interpretations of how fights with them go indicate that physics in Star Wars flew out the fucking window years ago.
Also last I checked, the one thing everybody seemed to unanimously love about this movie was how the sabers had weight again
I'm trying to remember...how much lens flare was in TFA.
Honestly, I prefer the clunkiness of the OT fights over the acrobatics of the Prequel fights. Too much acrobatic swanning about.
And suddenly I'm reminded of Venture Brothers...
>I'm trying to remember...how much lens flare was in TFA.
I remember there was a lot more in the trailers than there was in the movie.
The upside down show that was in the very first teaser actually reduced the lens flare that was in that one
>But people ranking RotS above TFA and/or any of the OT movies? Why?
Every actual Star Wars movie ranks way above TFA.
But if you want reason for RotS specifically - superior cinematography, full of great and imaginative landscapes; approximately three-four pants-on-head retarded moments introduces solely for the sake of plot convenience less; actual designs for tech and starships, instead of just ripping OT wholesale; a few heroes that actually have admirable traits without being one-note combat machines; and of course based Sheev. TFA is only superior in combat choreography and having a few good jokes (but hardly more than two or three).
I'd rate RotS on the same level as RotJ, because while the latter is a perfect conclusion to the sage, the former simply offers much better visuals.
There really wasn't lens flare.
I used to be bothered by the shakycam they had on the Falcon in that trailer, but given the context of Rey still trying to figure out how to fly it and not flying very stable herself it makes more sense.
>Every actual Star Wars movie ranks way above TFA.
I can't agree with that one, mate.
Episode 1 wasn't even the worst, at least it had Duel Of The Fates and the Boonta Eve Podrace going for it, plus the N64 Podracer game is fucking awesome. Episode II was just shit, with nothing to help it...
The one thing I did like a lot about RotJ which I feel a lot of people overlook is the space battle, it was the first time in the series when we really got to see two fleets of ships engage each other in combat. Though RotS amped it up with actual ship-to-ship combat. Jedi did a good job of carrier warfare in space.
>In Before the Awakening's Finn story, the ' Narquois' get mentioned, and I could find nothing on the Wook or elsewhere, are they a new species or something? If so, weird that they wouldn't give any description of them.
TFA Visual Dictionary shows a Narquois in the section of "Castle Guests"
>I prefer the clunkiness of the OT fights over the acrobatics of the Prequel fights.
I respectfully disagree. I think what the Prequels depicted was appropriate for the Jedi considering they hand thousands of years of progression in the ways of the force and their combat abilities.
What was depicted in the OT was appropriate as well though. Kenobi vs Vader was largely off screen, Vader vs Luke was just Vader toying with him, and Vader vs Luke final was Vader being conflicted and Luke not being anywhere even close to finished with his training. Though the ROTJ duel could've been better if Marquand wasn't an ass.
>Because Marquand insisted on it. He didn't understand the physics behind lightsabers and wanted them to appear heavy and cumbersome.
>The PT truly had the most accurate depiction in skilled use of a lightsaber.
I don't get your hateboner for Marquand. I thought the ROTJ duel was great.
He merely understood that saber fights work better with emotional conflict as the main driving force rather than the fight for the fight's sake.
>has force powers
>doesn't just take the lightsaber out of his hands
>turns his back on his opponent twice
>gets his arm fucked up for it
If Ren couldn't use the force it would be a good fight. As it is it's completely retarded and is just a hamfisted way of showing Finn's not a complete pussy anymore.
The Space Battle is more the highlight of SW practical effects the advent of CGI lovefest in the PT. The Endor battle gets criticized for the Ewoks. Vader/Luke usually gets noted as the high note of the OT. The Space battle is just the wall flower of the three battles.
>has force powers
>doesn't just take the lightsaber out of his hands
Come on, you can make this complaint about any saber fight. You could also ask why he doesn't blast the opponents away with the Force into a tree branch or something. Same goes for any other fight in the series when we've seen Anakin and Sheev blast people against the wall 50 feet away with the Force.
Well to be fair she is doing her best to keep Kanan at the end of a leash.
When he got rescued from probable days/weeks of electrocution and torture he didn't even get a kiss.
She's taking that "muh rebellion comes before our relationship" stuff really far
I have a feeling the upcoming episode with her father might change that, as he'll probably be regretful that he spent all his time away
>He merely understood that saber fights work better with emotional conflict as the main driving force
I get that, and I have full appreciation for what the fight on an emotional level conveyed. But I don't think sacrificing how a lightsaber fight aught to be fought should be a requirement.
With weightless blades.
>They were only 'heavy' in ANH
No. They weren't. When was the last time you rewatched Vader vs Obi-Wan? It, despite its choreographic flaws, the ONLY fight in the entirery of Star Wars where lightsabers are treated as they should - a weapon that can kill or horrifically injure with a slightest touch. So you don't fucking need to swing it, because you don't need to put momentum behind your blows.
Starting from ESB this is forgotten. Both Luke and Vader swing lightsabers around like they were claymores. It was not so noticeable in ESB, because much of the fight was based on using environment, but it was noticeable in RotJ.
The PT fights are not fundamentally different, but merely faster-paced, as choreography got better.
The fight in TFA is still the same bullshit with swinging lightsabers as if they were actual sabers, and flashy but dumb moves, like overhead chops. It is notable primarily for lightsabers being so weak, that you wonder why anybody would use them, if they do so much less damage than blaster.
>>Come on, you can make this complaint about any saber fight.
No I can't because every other saber fight has been 2 force users fighting each other, so using the force in that way would be useless. This is like if a Jedi were fighting a monkey that stole his lightsaber somewhow.
>He merely understood that saber fights work better with emotional conflict as the main driving force rather than the fight for the fight's sake.
Every lightsaber fight in Star Wars, including TFA, had emotional conflict, and usually of exactly the same sort ("I'll fucking kill you for what you did/want to do!") as the main driving force. Your attempt to set RotJ somehow aside is meaningless.
Here's a better shot to compare the two of them.
Kinda hate that they brought Leia back. She's the only one who aged kinda poorly and she phoned it the fuck in looking like she just had a stroke. Kinda ruined her spunky kickass character for me.
>You can't apply physics to lightsabers.
But you can apply a set logic to them.
The blade is an energy based arc that can run perpetually and gives off no heat unless the arc is disrupted. This energy is weightless yet bears a physical resistance against other forms of energy (usually that of another lightsaber or a kind of elecrtic based weapon).
>and gives off no heat unless the arc is disrupted. This energy is weightless yet bears a physical resistance against other forms of energy (usually that of another lightsaber or a kind of elecrtic based weapon).
And where in any movie or even any source is this logic stated?
It is not. It is nothing more than your own headcanon.
Eh she's not like choking Jabba out active but she goes on a speeder bike chase and is right in the mix shooting Stormies with Han and the Rebels.
But she does seem kinda mellowed out when talking to Han w/ the brother scene.
I still feel like the best Lightsaber battles came from TCW
>The blade is an energy based arc that can run perpetually and gives off no heat unless the arc is disrupted.
Impossible. Everything radiates heat, especially if it gives off light.
Your logic has already failed.
This is what I mean though, why would Sheev even bother to saber duel them when he can fling them across the entire football stadium sized room with the force?
Surely with that power he can just crush their bodies with the force
No. Darth Maul and Qui Gon/Obi Wan for example didn't even know each other. In fact, even we didn't know anything about Maul and the only reason why he was in the movie is to have another lightsaber fight. There was no emotional conflict between the characters, no tension until Qui Gon died. Compare that to Rey, Finn and Kylo who knew each other from the past. The protagonists despised the villain and we could feel it during their fight. It made us more interested in whats going on.
>But you can apply a set logic to them.
>The blade is an energy based arc that can run perpetually and gives off no heat unless the arc is disrupted. This energy is weightless yet bears a physical resistance against other forms of energy (usually that of another lightsaber or a kind of elecrtic based weapon).
>And in current events, General Leia Organa left her substance dependency treatment center on Tython, today. General Organa you may remember developed an addiction to spice after the disappearance of her son years ago.
That's the point, they pretty much show in at the start of the fight that Sheev could have just force choked them in seconds, but he just felt like having some fun.
Honestly so do I. Pure CGI really allowed them to shake off confines of realism and go for pure awesomeness. Or perhaps the nature of the medium makes me naturally less inclined to compare what happens on the screen to real life.
>bullshit with swinging lightsabers as if they were actual sabers
But they are. They are sabers.
The logic is that they are swords but because this is supposed to be a high tech fantasy future setting they are energy swords.
That is the extent of the logic behind lightsabers.
The only reason the PT saber fights are different is because they were based on stickfighting instead of swordfighting.
Was rewatching ANH. Obi-Wan is kinda a dick.
He was holding his own against Vader without even breaking a sweat. Then as soon as Luke shows up he smiles and goes suicidal. Like he was intentionally waiting so he could die in front of Luke. Because I mean the boy hasn't already dealt with enough tragedy.
>Are you blind?
>In ANH they never move them around quite as easily as in ESB or RotJ.
That's because moving your blade around is not very smart in a fight to death. The main place where your blade should be in swordfighting without armor, never mind with a weapon that kills pretty much by touch, is between you and your enemy.
>They move THEIR ENTIRE BODIES while pivoting the blades with them.
No, except for a single moment that preceded all the future, as someone said here, "twirly bullshit", they don't. Mostly only their arms move. They try to push each other's blades out of the way, trick each other into opening, Obi-Wan tries to get Vader repeatedly by trying to change the angle of the lightsaber lock or by sliding his saber alongside that of his enemy's, and so on.
And adding to this, ANH fighting looked clunky because the props they used were really fragile compared to Empire and Jedi. They were spinning tubes with lights and shit on them, because they weren't sure what the look would be at that point. Hence they were actually holding spinning motors and didn't want to fight too hard cause they'd break.
Everybody is reading into them way too much.