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JSA Storytime: Thunderbolts (from the top) 2015-12-21 00:55:29 Post No. 78325078
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Good evening owls of /co/,
Oh, why not
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>>78325078
Hello Storyteller.
A new team called the Thunderbolts? Why, I wonder what their shocking secret could be....
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>>78325118
I have no idea!
also, get ready for 90s WORDS
and 90s THOR!!!!
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>>78325133
1997, man. X-treme! Radical!
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>>78325146
nice rack, Titania
(also: hang ten, it's Hydro-Man!)
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>>78325078
>>78325078
Citizen V has an ace design
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>>78325175
Also, these vintage scans are what I got
>>78325187
where my ANAD Citizen V book, Dave
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>>78325192
>where my ANAD Citizen V book, Dave
Never
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>>78325192
>where my ANAD Citizen V book, Dave
Alright, let's monket's paw this
>it's announced
>but it's by Tom King under exclusive contract
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>>78325133
>that waist
Holy shit, Susan. Where are your internal organs?
>Onslaught
Morbid curiosity has me slightly interested in that event. It seems like a microcosm of 90s comics.
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>>78325231
Onslaught was like the most 90s thing ever, yes
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>>78325252
Even more 90's than Doomsday I'd say
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>>78325252
FUCK YEAH CITIZEN V
Those pauldrons are amazing
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>>78325231
It's the 90s, everyone has a waist I'd kill to have
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>>78325146
>Nothin' personal, kiddo.
I'd suggest taking a shot, but 90s drinking games have too high a mortality rate.
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>>78325283
Mach 1!
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>>78325267
How much more american can ya get?
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>>78325293
Yeah, after Bubverine have some mercy upon your livers
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>LEGO Avengers add the classic Thunderbolts
>PS4/X-Box one pre-order bonus
just fuck my shit up senpaithe pack is already on the Steam database, so it's just a matter of time on the PC
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>>78325314
I realized that current Hawkeye's sunglass fetish reminds me too much of Mr. X :(
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>>78325329
Mr. X reminded me of Ultimate Hawkeye
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>>78325321
Yeah, I'm gonna have to wait for a sale, but then MINE MINE MINE
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>>78325339
Oh yeah, didn't he kill someone with his fingernail clippings once?
...okay now I know what I'm running Christmas Eve or so
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>>78325357
>...okay now I know what I'm running Christmas Eve or so
Ultimates?
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>>78325133
It was a weird time for Thor.
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>>78325357
And yes, he killed someone with his fingernails,
But he was "kitted out" to be the best shot.
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>>78325375
Ultimate AVENGERS
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>>78325133
Why does Iron Man have nipples on his suit?
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>>78325409
because he's comfortable enough in his masculinity
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>>78325425
You know, I still had a happy smile on my face today when I thought about Mr. X getting his.
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>>78325357
>sound generated wings
No matter how many times I see it, it never stops being funny. And again, sound is pink.
>Oh yeah, didn't he kill someone with his fingernail clippings once?
Ew. Just, ew.
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>>78325438
I do love how Bagley draws Karla. Bitch has style.
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>>78325395
>Ultimate AVENGERS
Damn it, that's when Ult. Hawkeye was wearing his BS Bullseye costume.
But...he's not as suicidal as he was during Loeb's run there though
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God, I love the Meteorite costume so much.
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>>78325339
Ultimate Hawkeye was likable though.
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>>78325488
I meant the sunglasses thing.
Ult. Hawkeye was a cool guy
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>>78325467
Isn't it great?
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>>78325357
He actually straight up ripped his own fingernails out.
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>>78325514
oh yeah
ouch
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>>78325467
It's a little spiky for me, but it has more flair than the the modern Moonstone costume.
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>>78325524
Man, General Ross Thunderbolts was so...why, even with Soule
except for that one Acker/Blacker Annual that opened with Strange in his undies was pretty great
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>>78325548
Karla is a spiky person though.
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>>78325571
The narrative voice in this is so 90s and yet it's not ostentatiously overlapping the art because Busiek
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>>78325438
>>78325456
Ah, Karla. It's nice to know she was always the supreme bitch.
>>78325467
>>78325506
Indeed, it's not bad. Kinda wish she kept it. The second Moonstone costume isn't terrible, but it's a touch bland. And that's coming from someone who usually prefers more simple designs.
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>>78325593
>>78325601
Who would win in a HBIC contest between Karla and Dreamy?
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>>78325300
>Mach-1
Kinda weird to see his number that low.
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>>78325133
What was Onslaught again?
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>>78325620
what's out this week?
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>>78325601
Yeah, the Meteorite cowl is fierce but fabulous.
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>>78325624
Ummmm, it was something weird with Franklin Richards and Xavier, also IIRC it was one of those things where ONSLAUGHT! kept being mentioned before they had any idea what the fuck it even was, so, well
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>>78325560
>It's inspired by a poem. Thomas Randolph, a 17th century poet...
Songbird is experiencing the cringe factor in panel 1 there.
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>>78325670
oh my god, look at this motherfucker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onslaught_%28comics%29
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>>78325685
Bulldozer has one hell of an S&M suit on
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>>78325571
>But if my mom's out there, I'd like to let her know I'm okay, and I love her.
..... Oh, Melissa...
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>>78325624
Something something Xavier. Something something Magneto. Something something psychic impression. Something something split personality. Something something psionic entity. Something something Scott Lobdell.
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>>78325670
He was the psychic lovechild of Xavier and Magneto.
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>>78325670
>>78325717
Was it like Apocalypse in just ambiguously being really powerful without actually declaring what its powers were?
Onslaught is sort of where I stopped reading comics as a young kid, and then I picked up Brit comics a few years later and eased myself back into American ones through British writers/artists who were getting American gigs. So I never read any Onslaught comics.
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>>78325721
>Later, it was revealed that the Avengers and the Fantastic Four did not die, as had been surmised. Rather, the heroes were reborn in a pocket universe created by Franklin. The Avengers and the Fantastic Four returned to their rightful home months later, possessing only hazy memories of their time on Counter-Earth.
aka "we un-Liefelded everyone"
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>>78325620
>Who would win in a HBIC contest between Karla and Dreamy?
Hm. I think I'd have to give it to Nura, honestly. Nura has more a mind for strategy, and clairvoyance beats flying brick 9/10 times.
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>>78325786
Karla would hate her so much, too
it'd be glorious to watch, sell tickets
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>>78325633
I headcanon the Wrecking Crew as being actual, literal jobbers at this point. Like a kayfabe thing.
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>>78325799
oh ho, praise is addictive
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>>78325869
HI ROBBIE
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>>78325906
here it comes...
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>>78325925
THE TWIST!!!!
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>>78325799
Like you've said before, Karla is the type of gal who probably just doesn't like other women.
Which is a shame because her and Melissa's clawing at each other all the time gets my yuri senses tingling something fierce
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>>78325939
awww, they just put it on the cover of #2
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>>78325856
Whatever happened to Dallas anyway?
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>>78325955
I think Karla would do it, but Melissa wouldn't
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>>78325133
The Giant Man referred to here is Pym, right?
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>>78325981
those editorial notes
>>78325974
Unsure!
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>>78325624
Xavier shut down Magneto's mind, and while doing that, the evil within Magneto entered Xavier which unleashed all of Xavier's repressed emotions which created Onslaught, the psychic projection of Xavier's repressed emotions combined with Magneto's evil.
Then X-man fought Xavier, pulling Xavier's psychic projection out of the astral plane and into the mortal plane in the process, something that Xavier didn't know was possible. In doing so, it subconsciously taught Onslaught how to exit the astral plane and take physical form. He proceeded to kidnap Franklin Richards and siphon his power to become exponentially more powerful.
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>>78326004
>>78326001
should be
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I'm a pleb so I haven't read this yet. Good time to start I guess.
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>>78325939
>the twist happens in #1
Okay, good. For some reason I was afraid they had stretched it out over several issues.
>>78325981
>I think Karla would do it, but Melissa wouldn't
Yep. Again, bit of a shame that it will never happen.
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>>78326062
all this flirting
>>78326068
never too late to read some Bolts
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>>78325955
Karla has like zero boundaries so she probably would sleep with another woman if there was some point to it. But I don't think she has any natural inclination there.One day I will win the lottery and force Marvel to accept my miniseries pitch where Songbird is Dazzler's bodyguard and Moonstone is the bitchy agent of a rival label trying to sabotage their intergalactic concerts.Dazzler will pick up Troll at a concert in Asgard who will join her crew.And they'll all be magical girls.
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>>78326004
>Brevoort back when he wasn't a troll
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>>78326004
>those editorial notes
It's hard to imagine that Marvel used to have people who kept track of things.
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>>78326098
I know, right? When someone was minding the continuity at least a bit?
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>>78326077
>stretched it out over several issues
Thankfully, no. Decompressed storytelling hadn't really become a thing yet.
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>>78325252
>best in the world at what they do
Welp, bottoms up
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>>78326125
I have no problem with a book running and doing its own thing and not fitting into strict continuity with other books, especially team, but if you're gonna reference stuff, that's cool too. Internal consistency is obligatory.
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>>78326092
>One day I will win the lottery and force Marvel to accept my miniseries pitch where Songbird is Dazzler's bodyguard and Moonstone is the bitchy agent of a rival label trying to sabotage their intergalactic concerts.Dazzler will pick up Troll at a concert in Asgard who will join her crew.And they'll all be magical girls.
.... I'd absolutely read this. No joke.
One question: Would there be at least one joke about Troll objecting to wearing frilly outfits?
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>>78326152
be kind to yourself, anon
that's one fucking ugly memorial
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>>78325620
Dreamy. And it drives Karla nuts because she's being outmaneuvered by a narcoleptic valley girl.
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>>78325974
Apparently latershe became Citizen V to get back at the Thunderbolts for fucking up her life, then became a heroine called Vantage, then started working for Commission on Superhuman Activities.More appearances than I'd thought she'd get.
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>>78326189
>>78326194
who has better legs, too
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>>78326201
this Franklin dialogue is horrible
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>>78326189
Dear god who thought that statue was a good idea.
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>>78326229
Andy is indeed an awesome android.
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>>78325939
I wish /co/ was around in the 90s so there could have been screen caps of the first story time of this moment.
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>>78326201
Karla would spend every waking (hehehe) moment thinking of ways to kill Dreamy. But she would always lose,because Dreamy sees the future. Karla would probably end up having a nervous breakdown.
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>>78326082
>>78326125
Pre-alpha female Melissa is a cutie. :3
>>78326138
I will never get why people have to make compressed vs decompressed a thing. Both have pros and cons.
But yeah, a premise like this needs to get the twist out quick. Be kinda boring otherwise.
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>>78326262
I'm pretty sure it was glorious
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>>78325560
I think my favorite part about this interview is how utterly uncomfortable Citizen V gets whenever someone brings up the past heroes.
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>>78326262
Can you imagine it? Everyone would have gone nuts.
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>>78326300
>>78326295
it would have been better than that ASM 600 leaked storytime
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>>78326173
Troll would probably have to wear some sort of cute bear costume at some point.
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>>78325906
>how come we never get press this good?
Your time in the spot light will come speed ball.
Just wait....
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>>78326173
>One question: Would there be at least one joke about Troll objecting to wearing frilly outfits?
Only if there's another one where she makes sure's nobody's looking and proceeds to twirl.
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>>78326249
>Andy is indeed an awesome android.
The only bit of She-Hulk I've ever read was when she joined that law firm for cape stuff. Andy was in that, and he was a pretty cool guy.
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>>78326269
>Both have pros and cons.
It's a problem when one style becomes omnipresent. And from a purely economical standpoint, compression is better for the buyer.
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>>78326343
the Baxter Building was really weird and gaudy at this time
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>>78326315
>that ASM 600 leaked storytime
>TFW the archive is dead and you can never see what happened.
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>>78326358
ha ha fuck the X-Men
>>78326360
it was CRAZY
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>>78326358
That's not the Baxter Building. It's Four Freedoms Plaza. Totally different Fantastic Four HQ.
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>>78326375
What happened during the ASM #600 story time?
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>>78326318
>>78326345
Both these ideas are cute as fuck. Sold.
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>>78326395
Oh, that's right. Claremont, was it?
>>78326401
eagerly awaiting each page and tons of freakouts
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>>78326327
I like Karla's stomach glows sometimes when she uses her powers.
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>>78326415
Troll obviously eventually becomes Dazzler's backing guitarist because of her skill with anaxe
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The reader freakout for Tunderbolts was almost certainly huge, but I must wonder if there were some people who got pissed at the idea of some minor villains turning face.
>NOT MUH SCREAMING MIMI
>NOT MUH BEETLE
Can you imagine?
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>>78326474
sweet, new digs
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>>78326360
You mean 700 when Otto took over? There's no pictures but you can dl it and read along.
http://desustorage.org/co/thread/44080941/#44080941
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>>78326474
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH
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>>78326493
it was truly Scanbro's finest moment
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>>78326517
Oh Karla, as if you could ever go good.
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>>78325571
Holy crap that archaic sonic harness is gaudy as all get-out
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>>78325925
>>78325939
This scene right here is what sucked me into Thunderbolts.
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>>78326554
Except, y'know, she did. It wasn't until Ellis and Bendis that she fell off the wagon.
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>>78326555
It's some serious statement jewelry.
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>>78325981
Not with Karla anyway.
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>>78326543
>>78326570
Reed Ms. Marvel was pretty unsubtle on Karla being a monster, too
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>>78326491
>just happened to save Franklin Richards
>get to use the building as a headquarters
Gotta given the Baron some credit. Dude's a slick bastard.
>>78326517
>Karla likes being a good guy
Heh.
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>>78326599
Reed Ms. Marvel did give us some quality Sana Takeda, though. Daaaamn.
also, for epic fantasy in comics form, Monstress is way better at it than Arclight
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>>78325633
Goddamnit I was JUST reading a storytime with Wrecking Crew in it before opening this thread.
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>>78326710
oh Natasha, honey, whaaat
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>>78326732
so sleepy...
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>>78326642
Monstress is good? I skipped it because the Marvel stuff I read by her was all really bland
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>>78326760
Monstress is okay.
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>>78326612
>>78326642
>>78326657
Goddammit, Abe.
Geez, no wonder he turned so easily. He's so small time.
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>>78326760
It's okay, but it's better at doing the "setting up a world where you care about finding out what the fuck is going on" thing that drives the subgenre
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>>78326732
Damn, Natasha.
Yeah, she's a lot more anti-hero than most, but.... she shot her right in the face. Ow.
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>>78326795
Well yeah, the thing about villain teams that always screws them up is that a good chunk of the villains are just looters with freaky outfits, mixed in with wannabe world conquerors and thrillkillers.
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>>78326846
Tasha's going through some serious survivor's guilt shit at this point.
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>>78326930
oh man, he's fallen hard
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>>78326904
Clearly.
So, considering all the complaints that Black Widow has become more bland since the movies, I'm guessing the films do not play up her ruthlessness that comes with being a spy?
Because if not, they really should.
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>>78326954
>>78327014
It's more that she's all-spy all the time, as opposed to having been the goddamn leader of the Avengers
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>>78326868
Well, the ruse wouldn't have worked with psychos and megalomaniacs. Zemo couldn't use anybody but the workman villains. Though, I can't for the life of me remember why he wanted Moonstone around after what she pulled during Avengers Under Siege.
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>>78326489
One of the great parts about making D-List Villains into Heroes is their character is so barely established that they get most of their character development and attention while in the Thunderbolts.
Consequently, more fans of the time when they're reforming into heroes than when they were nobody villains.
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>>78326930
Solid-Sound Constructs sounds like the name of an alternative rock band. I love Melissa, but her powers never stop being hilarious.
>>78326954
He's got excellent taste.
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>>78327167
it's Big Fun Gun time
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>>78327058
Karla reliably self-serving enough to be predictable, and a powerhouse to boot. I can see why he'd be willing to have her around, although he should have seen her trying to undermine him coming.
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>>78327035
>It's more that she's all-spy all the time, as opposed to having been the goddamn leader of the Avengers
That does sound boring. Why can't she be the leader, or at least second in command to Cap? She's one of only two main Avengers who seems in any way qualified for the job, honestly.
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>>78327238
because red in her ledger blah blah
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>>78327238
Because her character history has been essentially wiped, including her relationships of trust and respect with other heroes.
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>>78327320
bondage time!
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>>78327231
It's weird how often archvillains are willing to forgive backstabbers.
>sure, Starscream, I believe you've seen the error of your ways and will be totally loyal from now on, I hereby make you my second in command once more, welcome back
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Y'know, I've always liked this particular costume for Black Widow. Classic is still the best, but this one's nice.
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>>78327361
letters
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Hi thread
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>>78327371
>Classic
Not her actual first costume though, right? Because that was just trashy.
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>>78327444
HI ANON
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>>78327470
hey, I live right next to Machesney Park
>>78327444
hi anon nice trips
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>>78327320
>>78327335
Whatever. If Marvel wants to deny their currently most publicly know female character a hook, that's their dumb prerogative.
>>78327348
And now you understand why so many yaoi fans insist that Megatron and Starscream are lovers.
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>>78327515
They think they have a hook, it's just a simplified and boring one
but if anyone's willing to do more of her Avengers background, it's probably Waid
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>>78326846
It's just a taser-y thing.
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>>78326429
>>78326474
Citizen V's Banter is the best in this run.
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>>78327348
I think the deal with Starscream is:
>1) He's literally immortal so even if you don't rehire him he will come back and try to fuck with you
>2) He's a known quantity; at least with Starscream at your back you have some idea of how and why he's going to try and betray you
Plus he's one of the original crew of Megatron's supporters, and is usually portrayed as somewhat competent when on his own. I can see why he gets kept around. Armada Starscream a best though.
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>>78327611
well shit, the folder DOES have that Spidey team up issue, I'll have to throw it in
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>>78327575
At least "spy eternally seeking redemption for the red in her ledger" is more of a hook than "She's the best female superhero because she's female and a superhero! Look at this little kid saying she's the best female superhero! Love her!!!!!!!!"
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>>78327689
dat ass
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>>78327659
Zemo, you arrogant idiot.
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>>78327760
So twitter tells me that Max Landis is butthurt about Rey, or something?
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>>78327777
oh, fucking Arnim Zola
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>>78327796
Zemo, you magnificent bastard
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>>78327678
>innocent teenage girl who is the victim of, and gets powers from some evil organization
Jolt is pure Busiek, isn't she?
>>78327692
I agree with this entirely. Normally, you can;t discuss this kind of thing on 4chan, but that's why I have you lot.
I want more prominent and cool female characters in media, but I want them to be interesting characters too. Bland=/=Cool.
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>>78326062
Fug Onslaught has such a cooler design than any recurring Big Bad in DC or Marvel. He wouldn't even be that difficult to bring back, either.
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>>78327811
He is terrible at understanding the psychology of his own team, but he knows how to work the crowd.
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>>78327908
>>78327869
Didn't Remender UA have some Onslaught shenanigans?
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>>78327928
Ewwww.
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>>78327796
Zola made himself into a torso-face on purpose. Just, think about that for a minute.
>>78327811
Oh he's good.
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>>78327944
;___________;
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>>78327058
There's a pretty interesting comic that goes into what went down when Zemo recruited ALL of the Thunderbolts. I dunno how far ahead it is though.
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>>78326125
Literally
R A P E D
A
P
E
D
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So is this jut to get out of Dark Avengers?
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>>78327997
It's because I wanted to read Thunderbolts, anon. If you want to read Dark Avengers, feel free to run it.
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>tfw I managed to catch up with a bolts thread before OP finished
About time. You're the best, storyteller.
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>>78328066
Oh Karla, you scamp
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>>78327302
Careful Helmut, or you might break character.
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>>78328101
Let's read some more tomorrow
hoot hoot
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>>78327956
>>78327969
>>78328037
You know, it's easy to laugh about villains who do it FOR SCIENCE!!!, but every now and then we're remined of just how fucked up that is.
>>78328066
I think I see where Karla's keikaku is going. Sneaky bitch.
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>>78328126
Thanks OP!
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>>78328126
Ah nuts. I look forward to it. It blows being in the UK when the best thread on /co/ goes on this late at night. Thanks as always!
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>>78326092
Karla would do anything if she thought it would help her out.
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>>78328126
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.
Next issue blurb implies slice of life antics. That's always a good time.
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>>78328167
I had a person in class once argue that the ethical lines of experiments are difficult to define because "we learned a lot from the nazi experiments".
I'd never seen a professor double take before that
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>>78328218
I hope it involves Karla and Melissa getting drunk as shit.
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>>78328037
Actually the only reason I posted that was to see if I could get the "16 ISSUES" reaction again.
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>>78328295
don't taunt happy fun storytimer :(
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Does Zemo's sister appear/die in a thunderbolts run? Like the first time, or does that happen in another series?
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>>78328244
Your classmate wasn't wrong. It's a classic question: Where does one draw the line? How far can you go before it becomes wrong?
Still, I think it's safe to classify "kidnapping teenagers off the street and turning them into goo monsters against their will" as generally not okay.
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>>78328339
If you post four issues a night, you could get it over with in four nights. That's just one night more than Villains for Hire.
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>>78328418
yes, but what will it take to get through said four nights--four hangovers?
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>>78328480
Why not? Holiday season is the time for benders.
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>>78328480
If it helps I'll crop some images and run them through isitporn.
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>>78326450
Ugh.
>>78326474
UGH.
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>>78328510
because I'm trying to be good!
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>>78328410
Yeah, but the implication in they way they put it was "maybe nazi experiments were okay"
The professor was Jewish.
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>>78328591
It's just four nights. If it helps, you could just post it on weekends.
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>>78328545
goddammit, I'll see about running it before New Years
the things I do, man
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>>78328641
Oh, that is beautiful. I would've paid money to see that.
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>>78328076
If I remember right, Karla starts latching onto Hallie too.
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>>78325799
she really is overpowered. If she can do that, she can kill anyone that needs to breath.
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>>78325869
give it to me straight: has there ever been a marvel comic where the statue was converted to a giant robot?
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>>78325906
>THUNDER TERRORISTS ENDORSED BY LOCAL SPIDER-MENACE, by J.J.J.
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>>78325981
>we will never see Citizen V in the MCU
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>>78328966
>this is how the public finds out they are villains
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>>78328950
Closest thing is that issue of Captain America where he fights the Abraham Lincoln statue.
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>>78327014
she's a quick thinker and a great spy, manipulator and martial artist, but for all the talk of the red room and her ledger and stuff, there's no scenes of her actually doing shit the other members are too squeamish for, or really letting loose and assassinating everyone in a room. The worst she did was manipulate Banner into liking her so that she could act as an emergency distraction should he run amock
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>>78328966
>JJJ sees >>78325939
>first thought is "DAMN YOU SPIDER-MAN!"
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>>78325981
I dunno Karla was NOT into Satana getting all handsy.
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>>78325231
>Susan. Where are your internal organs?
Part of her waste is behind Reed's head.
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>>78330678
Yeah but she wasn't in control in that situation.
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>>78325303
But somehow not as gross as Iron Patriot. Maybe because the name doesn't remind me of Stalin?
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>>78325974
She has a long, convoluted road to travel in this series.
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>>78330678
She couldn't what she could get out of it.
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>>78326241
Even The Thinker says that statue is shit.
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>>78331527
That, and Citizen V is not literally a recolor of another character.
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>>78331754
Correction: The Mad Thinker.
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>>78331774
and his V persona was pretty humble about it.
Whereas Normal the Osprey was all 'I am better than Stark in everything, I'm better than everyone at everything, WORHSUP MEEE'
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>>78326489
They weren't heroes to start with, so that would have been an entirely different reaction than the issue 1 reveal. This whole Thunderbolts thing is still just a ruse to get in close with the national and global security agencies.
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>>78326618
>Karla likes being a good guy
Being a hero generally means winning and public adoration. That doesn't pay well, but it is some great stuff.
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>>78327928Can you spot the mistake in this page?
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>>78331845
Why Rhodey Rhodes would take a Norman Osborn persona is completely beyond me.
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>>78332132
Iron Patriot sounds closer to Iron Man, chosen for product synergy I guess. Still makes no sense from a character perspective.
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>>78325906
>Mfw seeing Dick Rider cameo
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>>78335218
radda...
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>>78335218
All the New Warriors were so young back then.
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>>78326599
Honestly I'm fine with that, I think Marvel has a really bad habit of redeeming too many of its female villains, and unlike the dudes it sticks. Look at X-Men.
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>>78338090
At her best, Moonstone is one of the best female anti-heroes in comics. Making her a straight-up murderer and psychopath ruins the delicate balance between self-interest, manipulative-ness, and flashes of heroism that make her such a great character in the Classic Thunderbolts.
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>>78338378
Yeah, it wasn't a case of redeeming her, it was Reed making her almost comically evil and losing the nuance and self-interest that makes Karla compelling.
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>>78326744
Zemo's LOSING IT. I love it.
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>>78338626
Didn't Karla pick a guy up and drop him to his death after flying a few hundred feet in the air in Reed's run? All that run had going for it was the art. Acuna and Takeda in full cheese-cake mode.
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>>78327692
Honestly my favorite Natasha is the one who's being a superhero because its better than being a dirtbag spy.
The problem with movie Natasha is that they never really show that desire, or much of anything. She's so cold I can't get into her, even when she was at her best in Winter Soldier.
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>>78327234
Oh my god all those 90s guns.
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>>78327238
Honestly movie Natasha hasn't earned it. Why SHOULD the morally ambiguous spy be put in a position of responsibility?
A Black Widow or SHIELD movie could answer that question but doesn't seem to be coming.
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>>78327611
"What monster would experiment on kids?!"
Zemo sweats.
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>>78327727
I love Zemo, and the Masters. I really hope they show up to wreck the universe of Waid's Avengers, we haven't had a good Masters of Evil plot in forever.
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>>78339017
I'd really hate to see Zemo continue to backslide.
Thunderbolts put him in a really great and unique position in the Marvel U. He really is the anti-villain people like to pretend Doom is.
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>>78328641
........................WELL.
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>>78338722
I might have to run some of the Moonstone issues of that run for 1) dat Takeda 2) what not to do with Karla
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>>78331751
Or maybe she's just not into chicks.
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>>78339342
I think Moonstone isn't into chicks (and doesn't like other women because she likes being the only one), but she is into doing almost anything where she's in control, it fucks with someone else, and she can get something out of it.
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>>78339341
That was a good fight.
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>>78339659
T-that's hell of a smack talk, Karla.
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>>78339402
I think Moonstone genuinely liked Jolt.
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>>78339659
>I am going to break you! I am going to keep you in the basement of Avengers Tower! Turn you into my pet!
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>>78339752
I agree, but it helps that Jolt is a teenie and thus non-threatening as competition.
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>>78341120
O-oh man!
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>>78339752
Jolt's a girl, not a woman. Big difference.
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>>78325748
he was Xavier developing a split-personality after having been contaminated by Magneto's "evil".
He had both their powers and later he did add Franklin's and X-Man's.
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>>78327811
He understands mobs, but not people.
Classical dictator failing.
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>>78327231
Basically that, plus he knew she couldn't be trusted which meant he wouldn't ever let his guard down, exactly what he did need.
Everything went as planned, except for Jolt
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>>78339752
Jolt was both Karla's moral compass and daughter-figure of sort.
That's why I think Karla would be a great addition to Kamala's cast as the local school psychologist or something.
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>>78344803
>drove patients to suicide
>great addition as local school psychologist
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>>78344851
of course nobody would know. And Karla trying to keep her cover and not drive any New Jersey teenager to suicide would be hilarious.
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>>78344889
but karla wants money and power, and someone above her to backstab.
Where would she find those things there?
Being a local school psychologist would be like being in prison for her, as well as way below her qualifications.
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>>78345237
>but karla wants money and power, and someone above her to backstab.
No, she doesn't.
Well, not anymore. Sure, she's not going to turn down money and the possibility to influence people(power), but she's trying to be a good person.
She just doesn't know HOW. And her trying a second shot at being a mom with Kamala is quite in-character.
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>>78344803
Karla would be great as a more experienced but jaded and grey morality character to act as a counterpoint for Carol's perfect but absent role model.
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>>78345294
fuck kamala and the waifufaggottry that surrounds her
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>>78345329
Yeah- the contrast is perfect: Carol is the "role model" distant and perfect, with her moral absolutes and shit.
Karla is the "example", jaded and even nihilistic or cynical but really practical.
And the Karla\Carol rivalry helps, too.
There is also the parallels Kamala idolizing Carol but learning from Karla, and Karla seeing a lot of Jolt in Kamala except Kamala has a stable support-base, friends and family.
This shit writes itself.
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>>78345461
Need help stopping some evil corp from gentrifying your town? Karla will help out by punching some robots and stealing a ton of money from those fat cats!
I've wanted to see Karla in Kamala's Ms. Marvel since day-1.
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>>78345461
So does Karla's inevitable fall off the law-abiding wagon and Kamala being forced to fight her.
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>>78347120
Karla is more likely to use Kamala as moral compass.
You know, to avoid repeating the mistakes from Avengers\Thunderbolts.
She's more likely to exert some "grey" solution to a problem. I see Karla as something like Emma from Marvel Adventure Spider-man in this.
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>>78347120
THAT I'd dig, or Kamala learning that Karla was using her for some scheme and just losing her shit.
If Moonstone's gonna be in Kamala's life, I feel like she should be the definition of "Do not grow up to be this.". We've GOT a morally ambiguous blond woman who gets away with murder in Marvel, her name's Emma Frost. You don't have to take all of the ambiguity away from Moonstone, but I don't think she should, ultimately, be a positive influence.
I think she should be Kamala's first real, honest to god rogue who fucks up Kamala's life.
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