How's Your Webcomic? #221

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo

Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

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>>78238636

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For the person that asked last thread.

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Small practice on gimp.

I am started to get used to it.

>>78239476
ooh, the three fates? i'm down!

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>>78239522

No, That is my "villain", Revealing his face.

>>78239635
oh okay. i saw the changing color lines on the face not seeming to follow a pattern, and the eye in the hand in panel 1, and the yellow thing in the 2nd panel... they looked like different people. different hair texture in each..

>>78239653

You know what?

That is a good idea. Changing them into the "Three fates". It is better than "I going to punch him and tell him about my plan",.

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Trading cards when

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Some Gothic horror.

>>78239873
When you take up the mantle of Bones.

>>78240075
who?
:^)

>>78239873

I just... I can't... I don't understand...

>>78240405
it's a good comic
he's just not promoting it very well

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belongingtonobody.tumblr.com

>>78240619
i love how this went from the fear of him being super outnumbered and likely to die in a dogfight he wasn't remotely prepared for... to him masterfully slaughtering them and the fear being that one might escape instead. Tops.

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Good news, everyone!

Instead of putting my /ss/ comic on a lengthy hiatus, I'm going to reboot it and have it done by my Deviants artist! A couple characters as well as the /ss/ angle will stay the same but everything else will be completely different and I'm dropping the superhero angle to use something else.

It's unfortunate because I wanted Deviants to update twice a week but the popularity of the other comic can't be ignored. But now I have my reliable and better artist working on both and I couldn't be happier!

>>78240674
oh i didnt realize you were a writer

>>78240689

Yup I'm a mediocre artist at best so I pay people to draw my porn for my stories! This brings the number of artist down to two: one for the comics, one for the fanart.

can only post imgur

i cant seem to post a pic without the captcha expiring :/

cc pls

http://imgur.com/sYZCErd

>>78240619
that ear is huge bro. looks like it was traced from an anatomy book. lol

>>78240737
great art
no idea what story is being told here

>>78240792
he's been having ear troubs.. but at least he got the anatomy down
but yeah nunc you did kinda embiggen the ear in the process of finally getting it right. just a keepinmind for later

Ennui GO! artist here. I'm rapidly approaching 100 strips, and I want to do gags until I hit that.

Having trouble coming up with gags lately though. Idea generators don't really do much for me, I either come up with good gags or I don't.

And I feel like my earlier gags and dialogue were better, or at least like I had an easier time coming up with them.

What do?

>>78240842
man i know how that goes
take some time out and watch some funny shit. I suggest way-out stuff like the marx bros or the goons. Get in that brainmode where nonsense happens. And also think about how the stuff they did in the 30s and 60s was subversive for their time, and think about similar ways to do that now

>>78240842

I feel the best gags are odd outcomes for normal things. It was what I loved most about old Simpsons and pre-cancellation Family Guy.

Think of something normal for your characters to do and think "what would make people laugh in this situation?"

>>78240812

no story just yet; just practicing.

hard to make stories

>>78240842
Humor is typically about subverting expectations (without being too off-the-rails random), so the more expectations and "normalness" you have handy, the more you have to play around with.

"Normalness" doesn't necessarily mean modern/common/boring! "Normalness" is the status quo for whatever world you build. If you have some simple, well-defined characters, you can create some good moments by having them bounce off each other, creating unexpected moments when motivations clash or characters miscommunicate or goals aren't met due to personal foibles, and so on.

>>78240009
I've never seen hoverhand in a drawing before.

>>78240842
>Having trouble coming up with gags lately
>What do?
Turn it into a battle shonen!
:^)

>>78241202
There's nothing wrong with their hands.

>>78240832
Top at the eyebrow line, bottom of the lobe level with the bottom of the nose. I had it better in construction on the sketch layer. Went a little over both while inking, I guess. Curve of the eyebrow itself might have led me astray.

>>78240668
The trick was keeping them from escaping and surviving both. He knew his ship outclassed theirs from the beginning, which is why he promised Hazel he'd be back. His personal concern was them escaping. When he assembled the ship back in the first chapter he added a few more bells and whistles than he's letting on.

>>78241765
ohh okay. well the way it was set up* i really thought he was taking a huge risk. it was a neat surprise!
*Like how his ship seems to even be indicating he shouldnt be operating it, at least alone

>>78241783
Well yeah, I wanted to build some tension. He was very much in danger when the enemy fighter was shooting him. And he's not out of the woods yet. Hazel certainly didn't understand the situation. Neither did the mercs or they wouldn't have engaged him. There's also some foreshadowing going on here, but I'll get to that much later.

>>78241765
>I had it better in construction on the sketch layer.
You shouldn't draw lines for every shape in the ear. What do you do for construction and how long does it take you to finish a page?

>>78241995
I don't draw every line. Certainly more lines for close-ups, but not every line.

And in construction I only draw the outline. But it's the outline that sets the size, which seems to be the issue.

>>78242055
>And in construction I only draw the outline
The outline? That's the issue. Use the ball and cross method, it's going to help a lot. The moment you start breaking things down in simple 3D shapes your drawings will improve a lot.

>>78242157
I did use that method. The top ended up a small degree above the horizontal centerline of the sphere, the bottom lob just a little over the bottom. It's a little off on either side for a larger error overall. Now that I think about it, I did fix the nose, raising it's bottom, while cleaning up the sketch. Should have cross checked the earlobe after doing that.

>>78242223
How long do you spend on a page usually?

>>78242223
that and naturally since you're using a pretty stylized style, especially a tall nose, the ears are accordingly going to be a little odd to proportionalize.. but you're doing fine
i still think you could get by with only the tragus and helix, forming kind of a little ? shape

>>78242271
Depends on a lot of different factors. And I rarely create a whole page in one session but work intermittently throughout the day and I don't keep track of individual moments when I'm drawing. Last few days I've been managing about a page per day.

A basic sketch though for a completed close-up of Sam, like we're talking about, only takes a few minutes though.

>>78242295
Yeah I'm shifting more towards just doing that when it's not a close up.

>>78242349
Sorry for being blunt but as it is, it looks like you spent 5 minutes totes drawing the whole thing. You seem to be passionate about the comic and you take the time to share it, but the art really needs to improve.

I don't want to peer further into the method you're using for drawing, but if you really are taking this long you're making some very fundamental mistakes or you have misinterpreted what you have studied about construction.

Making a very simple 1 point perspective grid (it's in space after all) and practicing on heads a little bit with a good anatomy book as reference can make the whole thing a lot more readable.

>>78242540
Red line it for me. I see the ear. Tell me what else is wrong.

>>78242540
I agree with this. The entire comic is based on space combat but they haven't done any value studies, so there are just grey dots floating in black space that, from a graphic design perspective, shouldn't be black.

It's lazy. They're passionate, they have a lot of good things going for them, but they take waaay too many shortcuts.

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>>78242563
You rotated his facial features without rotating his skull. I you want to use that 3/4 head angle, you need to center the facial features more.

Otherwise, you'd need to have the head facing more sideways.

>>78242540
>the art really needs to improve.
Seconding this. It looks like something a teenager would post on deviantart

>>78242563
I don't have a problem redlining things for others but you're clearly saying this defensively rather than out of genuine interest, and redlining is only useful when there's something to redline. As it is I'd just redraw the whole thing. There is no expression on the characters so I'd have to draw the mouth in a completely different way. The nose and the eyes are symbols.

>>78242839
Just don't bother. He always responds defensively to criticism, even though the comic is still so shitty after he's been working on it all this time.

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Do your best tho!

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I thinking about designing a character that is suppose to be the strongest/smartest/bravest prime brother. A first born brother that is design to be smart cocky leader.

I will call him Aaron T. Pilgrim. His character is inspired by Sodam Yat.

>>78242773
this guy's eyes are consistently drawn pretty close together
just for funs, can you redline it the opposite way? rotate the skull so that it matches the features

>>78242823
>>78242899
>>78242839
man don't be assholes. A) this guy has MAJORLY improved in a short time. B) never assume someone is being disingenuous when they ask for help/redlining. C) he has never behaved in any negative way in these threads.

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>>78243217

Anons are like Asshole Teachers.

They will give up on you and give you "F" and never respond to you. If you were good from the start, They going to tell you "What is your tumblr"?

>>78243217
No, he hasn't behaved "negatively". He just refuses to acknowledge his mistakes. Earlier an anon was trying to explain to him that only using 4 panels for what's essentially an action story is extremely limiting and that learning to panel properly would greatly improve their story telling. The response was basically, "I don't care, fuck you it's my story."

>>78243254
Yeah, obviously the number of us trying to help him improve are just ignoring him. This isn't a fucking cuddle corner, grow the fuck up and take some critique like a man. Learn to improve, don't stagnate your art.

>>78243272
>Yeah, obviously the number of us trying to help him improve are just ignoring him. This isn't a fucking cuddle corner, grow the fuck up and take some critique like a man. Learn to improve, don't stagnate your art.

Say the guy that never post his art.

>>78243272
>refuses to acknowledge his mistakes.
but that's not true. were you not here for the califlower ear thing? Or for that matter, the entirety of his early posts where we pointed out things like
>spartan / blank void backgrounds
>stiff poses
and he worked on those.
that 4-panel shit was debated by like 7 different posters and at least 4 of them said it was fine the way it was. that's a matter of taste. But at least one person was insisting "you MUST change this up to tell a good story and it's so obvious i can't believe you don't know it. unless you're just doing this for you"
nunc didnt respond anywhere close to what you're saying. don't make shit up

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>>78243296
I have posted my art on multiple occasions. All I got were "Where's your comic posted?" and "What's your website?" I'm doing studies as I write this, focusing on improving construction and anatomy before I start my comic because I know I have a lot of weaknesses, and anyone that says my art is shit is absolutely correct.

>>78243335
Yeah, he acknowledges mistakes after enough people bash him in the head for trying to deny them.

The four panel thing was several anons telling him he should try to learn to panel, and two or three trying to shelter him and tell him his work is fine. His responses were that it was what he wanted to do and fuck the consequences.

He can do whatever the fuck he wants with his comic, but he can't deny that he's limiting himself because he doesn't want to step out of his comfort zone. You know, the one you're trying so hard to keep him in.

>>78243254
> tfw you spend time wording your criticism trying to make it as polite and good natured as possible
> you're still an asshole

>>78243470
If you aren't sucking their dick telling them how great their comic is, you're an asshole. It doesn't matter how it's worded. Welcome to the hugbox.

>>78243493
You owe me a quarter for using the word hugbox.

C'mon you. Cough it up.

What's that? You weren't aware of the hugbox tax?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I want my quarter.

>>78243628
Joke's on you, I don't have any money.

The point is, people need to stop posting in here and assuming everyone is going to gently lick their asshole. The moment you don't see anything wrong with your work is the moment you've stopped growing as an artist. Don't post asking for advice when you really just wanted to advertise and then complain because someone pointed out actual mistakes.

And to top it off, if you want to look like a fucking professional then accept the critique with grace regardless of how shit the opinion is.

"I see what you're saying anon, I'll look into it in the future."

"You're right anon, that's something that I've always struggled with. I'll continue to work on that."

"Thanks anon, I never really looked at it that way before. I'll mull it over."

Shit like that goes a lot farther than "No it's not, you're just jealous of my bad values, non-existent anatomy, symbol drawing, and lack of any composition or paneling."

When I tell you fucks that I see something wrong, it's not because I'm trying to be a dick. It's because I respect you as a practitioner of your craft, and want to provide a point of view that allows you to improve in an area where you might otherwise stagnate.

There's nothing I fear more than the idea that one day I might stop improving. Honestly, I think most artists should feel the same.

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>>78243254
>>78243470
>>78243493
>>78243691
I don't understand why can't we just have people posting their comics, then other people making suggestions out of good will. It's always either hugbox this hugbox that or someone getting assblasted over an artist not agreeing to the guy's almighty advice.

"If he doesn't do as I say, I'm not going to help anymore" means you never wanted to help, you just wanted to feel the satisfaction of an author admitting your superiority. And no, authors aren't always right either, but they can defend their vision if they choose to do so. Is simply offering and exchanging ideas too difficult? I don't get it.

>>78243948
If they don't want help, we won't help them. It's pretty fucking simple, not sure what you're having trouble understanding.

>>78243971
Oh, so the easiest way to get you to fuck off with your attitude is to not agree with you once? Great, I'm looking forward to it.

>>78244171
>implying you have anything worth critiquing

>>78243948

I think it's an issue with both sides. This has turned into a Batman drawthread. Too much discussion about the art and not the overall comic.

I would recommend that that those that want art critiques go to the Batman thread and post there. That or keep the exchanges short.

>>78243948
> I just want to advertise my comic and receive praise exclusively

>>78243948
>>78244171
I agree with this guy. People who get too defensive about their art are annoying. But the people who get assblasted because someone doesn't agree with their critique are even more annoying.

>>78244191
No no, don't say that. You're just making the tumblrettes think you're high and mighty. You're not allowed to give off any sign that you have knowledge you're willing to share, that's too pretentious. Just circle-jerk with the rest of them and talk about how great everyone else's comics are without giving anything specific and then post your own.

>>78240737
It's hard to make a meaningful comment on a thing as a whole if the said thing is just a part torn out of context for the sake of practice. I don't like how homogeneous panels are as it makes the flow constant and kinda boring. The symbol exposed doesn't mean anything to the reader so having it change in the second to last panel feels like a big question mark, a one that's not going to be answered because it's only a single page for practice. The art is nice I think, even if heavy black and whites aren't my thing.

Please post something less cryptic, otherwise I doubt you'll get many responses.

>>78244202
I have peacefully disagreed a few times with things that the posters here had to say about my drawings and nobody ever called me out on it.

>>78244189
Giving critique on a comic requires reading the comic and keeping up with it. As sad as it sounds, not many people here read other posters' comics regularly. That's why you only get tips on your art and not on the bigger picture.

Batman threads are useless by the way. They're never up and when they are, people just post their stuff with no responses to others. There was one thread made 8-10 hours ago and it's already fallen off the board. The proper place to go for the art critique would be /ic/, but most of the people around here would get told to fuck off and go back to basics. And it would probably be a good advice too.

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how do you make your eyedeas come true?

>>78244325
/ic/ is absolutely terrible regardless of skill level.

>>78244325

The critiquing just needs to be toned down. I'm scrolling up the thread and it really does look like a Batman drawthread.

Then again this thread would probably be on page 10 by now.

>>78244325
>And it would probably be good advice too.

This. Over and over, this. Another part of the problem is that people post a single page and go "What do you guys think?" and the only thing available for critique is the art. But of course the moment you say anything about their lack of foundations you're somehow a horrible person. They lash back with "That's my style" or stupid shit like "Redline it or I won't believe you."

>>78244392
It only has half the posts it has because people are bitching about critiquing. If it was just posts, critiques, and responses to critiques then the thread would be at maybe 40 replies.

>>78244392
It's just that people need to cope with criticism and stop bitching when someone says what they think.

It's not hard to say "okay", acklowledge what's been said, then work on your stuff. Or not say anything at all and just post to advertise.

>>78244410
Part of that comes from their stupid fucking skype group. They all have to stroke each other while fighting off anyone that thinks they should improve.

>>78244419
So, what do I need to do to get people to stroke me off for my artwork?

This counts as webcomic advice, right?

>>78244432
Join their skype group. I don't know what kind of ritual summoning/sacrifice comes after that, you'll have to chart it as you go.

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I just don't understand why you want to spend half of the thread doing something you could do in a completely separate thread that would love to have some people post in there.

>>78244439
I can't stand most skype groups with more than about 10 people.

I guess I'll just stroke myself off while I draw.

>>78244465
That's the correct choice.

>>78244460
I'm not sure why you'd want to join a skype group that has literally no purpose beyond stunting your growth. You can bitch all you want about the critiques, but they're a part of this thread as much as the comics are.

Unless you want to ban critiquing. You can turn it into the circlejerk of your dreams.

>>78244460
So instead of posting comics here, people should post them in the Batman threads?

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>>78244479

No they should post the comics here and get some comments and any criticisms. That's how it's been for a while but now there are anons having lengthy discussions about how to draw better. That's a Batman drawthread thing.

Here are webcomics
>>78239111
>>78239476
>>78239635
>>78240009
>>78240619

Last one was posted 5 hours ago. There's some comic discussion but most of it is just art critique.

I'm not trying to police this thread but I know a thread derailment when I see one.

But if everyone just wants to critique and argue, fine.

>>78244504
So you want us to critique the comments and not discuss that the artist needs to improve when they post nothing but single pages.

Makes sense. It's no wonder you're in the skype group.

>>78244511
Comics, not comments. Fuck auto correct.

>>78244504
It's not like we tell people to go to /lit/ instead of discussing writing in this thread.
The art is a big part of making a comic.

>>78244478
Ok. I have one more question. If I join the skype group, how much dick stroking do I have to do?

And do I have to do it to completion?

>>78244533

What comics? Look at the past 40 posts. It's just people arguing. Me included. Oh well, I'm out. I'll check back later when people actually talk about their comics.

And be sure to go to your life drawing classes and study up on Loomis and keep on redlining.

>>78244504
But critics are not an issue. It's okay to treat the threads as a space for advertising rather than discussion, but you can't stop people from giving their opinion, you can only tell the babies to accept it.

>>78244538
All of it, all the time. Your hands will be so occupied with chodes that you won't ever have time to improve your drawing.

>>78244545
It's okay man, the skype group is still there to jerk it for you.

>>78244549
Don't try to explain something to him with logic, it's clear he just wants to be coddled.

>>78244561
>it's clear he just wants to be coddled
It's almost as if he wished for a safe spot to peddle porn.

>Skype group run by Scrib "crit me in private" blehatch
>It's a one big circle jerk, only praises allowed
What's the meaning of this?

>>78244582
From what I understand, Scrib hasn't been there in months.

>>78244586
Why You Can't Trust Hearsay: The Post

>>78244664
Wasn't it Sexyverse that said it in the thread before? Regardless, there's a lot of circlejerk coming from that group.

>>78244582
>>It's a one big circle jerk, only praises allowed
Oh prffff.

This is implying that we're even talking about webcomics 1/4 of the time.

You have never been in the skypechat. Good god.

>>78244675
You.. you think the skypechat acts like a team.

About anything.

:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>>78244684
You... you think their autism has boundaries.

:D

>>78244697
You.. you think buzzwords don't have their diminishing returns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

>>78244700
Wow, you really do run the group. You fit right in.

>>78244705
Okay but this comeback hits circular logic. To make this burn real, you would've had to've been in there. Which you clearly haven't!

C'mon man, focus!

Quickly, before Too Cool For The Room Guy quotes every post of ours in one, and spouts obligatory "Both of you knock it off tho! Gawd I'm so much smarter!"

>>78244729
"Take it to a batman thread uggghhh"

You say I haven't been there, but I say you wouldn't know either way. Am I really wrong about anything I've said about the group? Am I really REALLY wrong?

>>78244753
Did you forget you're anon?

How am I to know what else you've said about it?

>>78244763
Even if we take only what you know I've said I feel like it still fits the bill.

What the fuck happened to /hyw/, man?
There used to be so much cool stuff comming out of these threads; there's still a handful of cool comics that are made here, but the last few threads have focused WAY too much on turning this into a safespace rather than having actual conversations about comics and storytelling

Our stupid drama is the reason why all the other threads on /co/ think we're a bunch of faggots.
>>78244797
This man speaks the truth.

>>78244797
Actually, last thread I saw more comics I was interested in, than the few before that combined!

We can't not have bad days. They have to happen in full, or the problem that caused them can't be immunized.

>>78244824
Do you really think the rest of /co/ is worth its salt?

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>>78244797
>>78244824
Wow you guys, take it to a batman thread. UUUUNNNNnnnnnghhhh....

>>78244729
... am I doing it right?

>>78244834
>Do you really think the rest of /co/ is worth its salt?
No, but this just proves we scare people away or get listed off as words we hate such as "safe space" and "hugbox" because of alot of people's shitty attitudes in these threads.

>>78244852
We're being called those buzzwords, but in the same breath chastised for having the opposite meaning as those words.

There isn't any drama in safespaces. It's SAFE by definition.

Am I going fucking nutballs here? What are you people talking about

>>78244928
>people are trying to stop this from being a safe space, so obviously it isn't a safe space
Yes, you're fucking nuts.

>>78244939
No one is trying to make it one, you daft fuck.

If you see that "Don't reply to bones' sign as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h2IPMg1by8 then I really don't know what to tell you.

Regulation is not hugboxing.

>>78244949
Oh, you're just Bones being a fuckwit again. Got it.

>>78244959
No I actually made the image myself.

This is an excellent example of people being mirror-world insane at the moment.

What information can be told to you that won't somehow miraculously get flipped?

>>78244705
I've had the misfortune of taking the bait and critiquing Scribble's comic in private and by the end of it I wished I could have my time back. He's the most self-absorbed person I ever talked to.

He acted mildly irritated every time I told him something didn't work, and after I wasted one hour reformulating my statements until he perceived a version of it that he wanted to hear, he didn't even bother to say "thank you for your time", which is just plain rude.

>>78244949
Scribble, please.

>>78244982
I... I'm so sorry. But thanks for fighting the good fight and trying to turn something shit into something less shit. Heroes like you are the reason that some day something of value might actually come from one of these threads. Maybe.

>>78239111
I'm glad you did that and not the "she's TOTALLY WEIRD and SPOOKY but her purse is ACTUALLY full of normal things!!! Oh, the hilarity!!!" gimmick that people with no creativity go, where you juxtapose something fantastic with something mundane for comedic effect but that really betrays a lack of creativity.

tl;dr it's way easier to say "her purse is full of normal things" than it is to actually come up with weird stuff to put in her purse, and I congratulate you for not taking the easy way out.

>>78245000
>calls you out on being a sperglord
>heroes like you

Scribble, please.

>>78245019
Bro, everyone knows Scribble can't get trips.

>>78244982
Sree-Durra.

Should I go on?

>>78245070
Yes.

>>78245070
Well it's never too late to say thank you!

>>78245080
Alright then: I'd like to email you, skype message you, or anything other than that weird irc-like program.

Anything but dragging private stuff into the public, where it gets twisted out of context, willingly, all due to your bitterness.

You want more rumors started, because we disagreed on certain things. I do not. Let's talk.

>>78245105
I did actually. If he recalls that entire chat log, I told him over and over again, throughout the hour, after each individual impression he gave me as he marathoned the comic, how much his feedback meant to me.

Did I do at the very end when he said he had to leave? No. Because I felt that would be redundant. I had to have said "thank you" about 7 times before that.

If I stepped out of personal ceremony, I guess I apologize. But I think he got the point that I was thankful, and I find it BAFFLING he thought I wasn't.

>>78245107
Whoa whoa whoa, I'm not that guy. I just said yeah because I wanted you to go on.

>>78245123
Okay then THAT GUY is completely cool, and I apologize. Sree-Durra is a cool fucking guy. Exactly as I remembered him being.

YOU though.

... Who are you? I don't remember talking to anyone but Sree-Durra about my comic recently.

>>78245119
I find it baffling that you still post in these threads when you know they're not your safe space.

>>78245134
No, we didn't talk about your comic. I just wanted you to go one because it sounded like it was going to go somewhere interesting. It didn't.

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Why does this thread always turn into the Scribble Show?

>>78245134
Is it important though? The whole point of this is to accept what comes to you without making it personal.

>>78245148
I appreciate you admitting the lie, at least.

Remember everyone: Sree-Durra Did Nothing Wrong.
Read his comic: http://sreedurra.altervista.org/

>>78245164
Newsflash, it's the Sree-Durra Show now motherfucker.

>>78245188
No no, I said yes to you needing to go on but that guy before was definitely complaining about you not saying thank you. I don't know if he's that sreedurra guy or not, but that wasn't me. The only thing I said was >>78245080

>>78245194
... Well then!

I think I preferred EU time with no posts rather than these posts.

>>78245142
Privacy = Safespace?

>>78245012
I did have a hard time thinking of what she'd have in there so I just went with the first thing that came to mind that wasn't normal. Her bag does have infinite room though.

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Webcomics, yeah!

>>78244982
How long ago was this?

>>78238636
I think we should have a rule against discussing Skypechat drama

>>78244982
Your a good man.

About a year ago I didn't know this info and got publicly shamed in the skype chat.

Life's life I guess. Gotta move on

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Better drawing of the new design for this character I posted in the last thread.

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Can you even make a webcomic with plot if you can only draw like this?

>>78246085
Yes.

>>78246045
I have reason to believe that person is not telling the truth.

I'm sorry to hear that the skypechat wasn't kind to you, for whatever reason. Who were you? What was the situation?

>>78246085
yes

>>78246106
I'd rather not open up old wounds.

And don't think I wasn't talking about you.

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>>78246045
These typos. This cadence. This odd emotional investment with this choice of words. This timeline!

You're..!! YOU'RE..!! Dewd.

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>>78246222
> Hahaha! Scribble has lost his faith in his fellow Anons, he'll lurk the thread with a heavy heart from now on!
> He doesn't have a clue that it was me all along!

I couldn't resist. Also I disassociate from the happenings above.

>>78246291
>>78246222
>>78246213
>>78246106
>>78246045

GO AWAY!!!

>>78246041
underrated post

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Newbie enthusiast here. I've got an idea for a webcomic and I'm looking for critiquing.

The comic is called "The Freudian Three", and it's about a mad scientist who accidentally physically splits himself up into three homunculi, each representing one of the segments of a Freudian Trio: Id, Ego and Superego. They must return to their old body or risk dying or gradually turning into their own dysfunctional beings, with their own freudian trios. They also run into the problem of not killing eachother, because they don't get along very often.

Id is an animalistic creature who constantly gives into his base desires. He gets the group into procrastination constantly and gets arrested many times. However, he's the only one in the group with reflexes and instincts and is a skilled fighter and handyman. The others see him as a hassle, even when he says something of worth. He is the biggest enemy of Superego, and doesn't like it when the other two try to control his urges.

Ego is the level-headed leader and the bridge between the other two. He's always annoyed at the other two for getting in the way of returning to their old bodies and causing trouble, and tries to keep them all on the right track; however, the other two think he's a spoilsport and a wet blanket because he gets in the way of their fun trying to keep them on task, and he rarely does physical work on account of being the weakest physically. Deep down, however, he does have a soft spot for the others.

Superego is the most snobbish of the three, obsessed with his social standing; he is constantly trying to make himself appealing to everyone around him and desperately tries to look good. He is extremely embarrassed by the other two following him around all the time, and tries to hide them in social situations. However, he is the only one capable of educating himself, and as a result is very knowledgeable. He is also the only human-looking one capable of getting a job.

sorry for the shitty drawing by the way.

>>78245604
tfw even the Dewd gets tired of /hyw/s shit kek

>>78246056
Looks pretty cute! And a big step from your other two designs, you really took out the best of both!

>>78246085
Sure! But if you're planning to go for a story-heavy narrative it would maybe be wise to just team up with an artist. For gag comics (strips, 4-panel) this works out better. Not saying you can't make a webcomic that follows a plot with that artstyle though. (It's kinda hard to judge your skills based on one image anyway.)

>>78246444
Clever idea! And quite original. Can't say I've ever read anything like that. Is Superego a chad?

>>78246444
Well, I'm not sure if it's good psychology, but it could probably work as a story.
What kind of comic would it be? Story-based? Gag-a-day strips?
Do you know how it ends?

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>>78246484
Superego is a total chad.

>>78246498
Story based. I've got a rough ending in mind but I'm not sure.

>>78246444
I'd love to see this as a semi- continuous, episodic comic with short scenes and strips here and there about them trying to cooperate.

>>78246579
This could work with a stick figure/ very simplified style by the way.

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>>78246612
>>78246592
>>78246498
Thanks for the advice! I'm not sure if I'll get started soon though, I have a lot of work to do and christmas.

Here's the scientist btw.

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This is the first time I've made the thread in months and... oh boy...

I don't see any problem with in-depth critique and discussion of artwork because it is relevant. Even if the conversation goes far astray, the root of it still falls within the context of webcomics.

Also re: the set grid in Nunc's comic. There's nothing wrong with it, lots of fantastic artists work within set grids because they provide a 'rhythm' and a constant that the artist can riff on variables within. This article talks about the benefit of fixed grids some - http://comicscomicsmag.com/?p=6611 Clowes, Hanselmann, and Gibbons are a few pros who create captivating, challenging work within a grid format. I personally prefer working within the grid - weird-shaped panels are dynamic at best, tawdry at worst (and more often than not it's the latter.)

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Comics everyone.

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>>78242773
Also also that's not right either - you're both missing a planar shift. This isn't the greatest drawing either, but it hopefully suffices in illustrating what I mean.

>>78246213
As long as they're not your wounds, ey?

>>78240674

Shouldn't you be on the /aco/ xxx how's your webcomic thread, as this tends to be sfw, where's the other is nsfw, which is clear that your's is porn, just a thought.

>>78243272
>He just refuses to acknowledge his mistakes

Anon, the first thing I did was acknowledge my mistake. I then went one step further and tried to understand how the error happened, so that I can avoid it in the future. I then went further, and asked to be shown more mistakes, so I could correct those too.

>4 panels

Well now that's just my style, anon.

>>78247123
>Well now that's just my style, anon.

Why? Not that Anon, and if you've explained this in an earlier thread I apologize, but why go with a 2x2 grid?

>>78245164

Cus ppl on 4chan flock to shitty ppl and arguments and latch onto them.

Beginning to look like social media isn't the best thing that ever happened to art.

>>78246692
Alright, I'm seeing it, thanks.

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Working on thumbnails because I'm starting to spin my wheels. The 2 pages are stand alone

>>78243393
okay, well, done liking you now

>>78246056
this is very nice. I would move her eyes a little further apart. Not that they aren't properly spaced now, they are, but this style has the nose and mouth kinda far apart and the face kind of small on the head (that hairstyle with the cut-across bangs usually the bangs are covering the eyebrow area) so it's worth experimenting with moving the features around a little.

>>78246085
that rock dude has a decent story going in his comic
anyway this is cute. i'd watch cute blue blob

>>78247234
Why?

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>A anon using that word, hugbox again
>Skype guy is still lusting over scribbie dick.
>Nobody talking about comics.
>art art art art art.

Jesus, What happen last night?

>>78249249
Stop acknowledging it.

Holy shit. Let the thread MOVE.

>>78249249
>being hugbox supporter
>being scribb fanboy
>can't make good art
>can't write a good story
Do you have any redeeming quality at all?

Ok, let's move on. What does everyone's thumbnails look like? Do you even use thumbnails? Are your pencils loose or tight? Discuss your process.

>>78249249
People ARE talking about comics. Art is part of the comic.

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>>78249249
Okay you see what the fuck I mean?

>>78249495
>>78249508

You see what happens Larry?

You see what happens?

DO YOU SEE

WHAT HAPPENS

Christ.

>>78249249
I honestly had a good laugh reading through this shit.

>>78249537
trimmed and cleaned, unless I've been gardening

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>>78249550
>>78249565

>>78244982
He's not that bad, but I've only talked to him about his stuff like once. I'm too negative for him.

>>78246638
my fucking sides

>>78249595
Why are you doing this to the thread.
What good do you imagine will come from it.

Do you have any idea why so many creators have left this place

>>78249565
>>78249574
>implying this is derailing the thread
No wonder these threads are filled with such garbage comics. All you're looking for is a thread where you're patting each others on the backs. They should be renamed to "please comment positively on my webcomic" threads.

>>78247173
not trying to hugbox and really don't wanna reopen a healing wound, but you realize a grid is the normal default, right? normal comic strips do an arrangement of square panels in a line or a square or some other shape. Tons of people do it, it's the simplest way.

>>78249567
Oh, boy! A wiseacre, eh?

>>78249626
>All you're looking for is a thread where you're patting each others on the backs.
Find something resembling reality to base this one before you state this for the umpteenth fucking time.

Guys, remember:

>>78239023

>>78249653
Don't start misusing that. Bones has not been posting.

>>78249626
you do notice it's how's YOUR webcomic, not how's my webcomic
people aren't here explicitly for praise or critique, just to discuss the process. other than that it's up to everyone. And if that leads to garbage comics, WELL NO SHIT. no barrier to entry. don't want one, don't need one

>>78243948
This motherfucker is absolutely right.

>>78249668
If you see somebody shitposting, attacking other regulars unjustly, and being completely delusional in their comments, oh, and demonstrating absolutely no understanding of the comic making process...

then you assume that it's Bones.

In the event that it's not Bones, it doesn't matter, because it might as well be Bones.

>>78249619
Sorry, I just saw all this drama and wanted to say he's not that bad.

>>78245254
What's her name?
>>78247851
I don't know about the first comic here. "I just got my period" doesn't sound like a very cute thing to say. Maybe change it to "It's just that time of the month" or something a bit less vulgar?

>>78249786
this is probably some of the reason this snowballs so much
everyone's so eager to chip in to try to tilt things slightly in the way they think they should go. and it's not wrong! but it sure makes things snowball. i'll never stop defending who i should defend and correcting who needs correcting, neither will any of you.. but good stuff happens regularly so we stick around.

>>78249790
It sounds like something a girl would say to a group of girls. It's also funnier. I say he should keep it.

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>>78249508
First: You know that I can take criticism. I just don't know how to used the criticism.
Second: I don't even read his stuff. I feel like It is the same guy that is piss about this "skype thing".
Third: Well, It is your opinion.
Fourth: Well, You are right. I can't make a good story. But, I keep on trying to make a good story.

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>>78249735
No. We're not going to turn something real into some fucking evil fairy we can blame all our problems on.

Jesus H Christ, have even been paying any attention to social justice during the past few years? Don't you know what this DOES by now?

>>78249508
Kill yourself

>>78249823
>You know that I
Who are you?
It's hard to know anything about anonymous posters.

>>78249790
Her name is Mimi.

>>78249832
Bones Did Nothing Wrong.

>>78249860
What's her family like? Are they normal or weird?

>>78249832
you make a good point
so far i've been on that other anon's side because basically it felt like "yeah this is a boogeyman, but at least we're admitting it instead of pretending it's not"

>>78249809
I might change it to its just that time of the month actually. I think I intended to be more ambiguous about what's happening (time of the month can mean many things while a prod does not) but in my rush to put it on paper I forgot. To be fair most of the dialogue ends up being a place holder for something better though.

>>78249899
The term "boogeyman" has too connotations.

1. It doesn't actually exists. That is, it's just in people's imaginations.

2. People are afraid of it, irrationally.

Bones doesn't fit. He actually exists. And nobody's actually afraid of him, he just shits up everything he touches.

>>78249919
>To be fair most of the dialogue ends up being a place holder for something better though
I know that feel. When my comic's first issue wraps up I should post the original script to show how much I ended up changing dialogue and even whole scenes from the script to the finished product.

discord link(alternate chat): https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFToPMgQv

>>78249919
No problem, I totally get it.

>>78249948
Yeah, jesus, I hate when I have to write a script for my shit. I actually write most of the dialogue and pacing in thumbnails.

>>78249886
I'm never going to explain this in comic but mimi is a living portal to another dimension. She is all alone.

>>78249943
yeah I used the wrong term, what i meant was sort of.. fear-synecdoche. using a person as a symbol of everything they represent whether it's that person or not, and vice versa. like knee-jerk calling people nazis. if you at least admit what you're doing is using a non-literal term of hyperbole intentionally to make a generally-understood point, then it can be a healthy part of language

>>78249919
what's more, it makes more sense that her tentacle thing is something that happens once a month. but i think the term period surely comes from the same source, as in period-of-time

>>78250073
The point of the whole thing is to stop replying to retarded, attention whoring, know-nothing shitposters.

Oh wait... whoops.

>>78250093
The thing is context though. I've heard It's that time of the month applied to things other than a woman bleeding meanwhile period not so much. They both technically mean the same thing but the connotation is slightly different.

>>78250007
Is she looking for a boyfriend?

I could be her boyfriend.

>>78250204
She doesn't care really. One of the comics will be her going on a date though. Guy is a serial killer and she scars him for life

I'm so done with these threads senpai

>>78250296
I hope you do a deal where the scarring for life happens unbeknownst to her, or she does nothing that she would find unusual.

>>78250370
Of course. What I'm trying to do here is deal with the things that other female creators talk about but in my own way. I notice other creators will have make this big deal about things like a man tells her x statement and she gets even or has a snarky some back but Mimi isn't like that. She does what she thinks is normal. Due to her beino a portal, her concept of normalcy is a mix of ours and the other worlds.

>>78250424
What does Mimi do for a living?

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>>78250565
Security

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Yo! another Id drawing. I think I'm gonna stick with this colouring

>>78250959
I'm looking forward more to your comic than I am my own.

>>78251357
Which one is yours. I never intended for Mimi to be a thing to be honest. I only wanted to make enough for a small book to sell at cons. She may end up being more than I intended haha.

What I actually want to make is something somewhat different.

>>78251414
how does the portal thing work? Do things come out of her?

Also can I draw fanart?

>>78251414
What do you actually want to make? I think there's a lot of potential with Mimi, but I don't want to discount your other ideas.

>>78251467
The portal is in her abdomen specifically so she has a hole there that leads to another dimension. That's where Charles (the nice tentacle that pets dogs) comes from. Other things come out too but those she will always force back in for the most part.
Of course you can make fanart

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>>78251493
Jim the Grumpy Elf. The story ended up being super complicated so I stopped working on it in order to make something more simple.

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>>78251540
sorry your first fanart sucks.
she's adorable tho

>>78251629
I love it! Thank you!

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I have a webcomic that I've wanted to start for a while. It's really simple - minimal art, cartoony characters and situations. This kind of thing still takes time for me, though, so I'm just unsure about it. I would want other people to see it, to make it worth the extra time and effort to do something more than just a little doodling to enjoy.

I have these first two pages. Does anything jump out as being particularly good or bad about them? Does this kind of thing build an audience, even a small one? I'm really not too well learned on the whole subject.

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>>78252061
Second page

>>78252061
good expression and consistent models
i'm not very fond of the whole 'stick figure limbs on normal body' thing. i realize tubes are harder but they just plain look better. however, in black and white like this, they're fine.
Gotta admit though I had to read it several times before getting that he's a cookie jar. I assumed he was a bug, with the antennae,.. and that that was just kept under his hat. Maybe if we had a panel of him reaching INSIDE it would help. Also the chevrons make him look flat, not round.

>>78246444
I've run into a problem regarding this comic. How do I start it? Should I start in medias res with the homonculi or start with their origin story?

>>78252439
The way I'm doing my comic, which you shouldn't take as a recommendation, just as a viewpoint to consider, is it starts in media res and several issues in I'm going to do the origin story, while giving some information on the character from the perspective of an outsider a bit more early on, the origin story fleshing that previous sort-of-origin story out more and making it complete.

>>78252473
How do I transition to the backstory from the start? How do I begin the story as is? I want to explain the characters and who they are, because it's pretty important to the premise of the story.

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I suppose I'll start namefagging for better recognition.

Keira, second year in high school, isn't particularly chatty. She won't bother you and would prefer you to return the favor. Not even joking about her height will provoke her into a heated argument. The ace of the school's fighting club, she doesn't practice very often; her teammates found encouraging her to try harder a mostly futile effort.

Third character, Keira. She's been around since the first comic incarnation of the setting which was conceived and aborted 9 years ago. Since then she has been drifting between the main and supporting roles, but her character nor appearance haven't changed almost at all, she only lost her glasses along the way. If it was a harem romance anime/manga, she'd probably be a kuudere.

The image took about twice as much time to draw as I hoped it would. The folds on the jacket are mostly guesswork - clothes are one of the many things I should work on (in an ideal world). I have no idea how the hell I'm going to put out 15-20 pages per month, as that's the goal if I finally start at some point.

>>78252530
You'd be surprised at how much a lot of comic readers will accept right off the bat. As long as they know the basics (these are the good guys, those are the bad guys), and simple motivations, they'll accept a lot for at least a little while. As long as there is something for the reader to sink their teeth into, you don't have to explain everything right away.

However, explaining everything right away isn't a bad thing, it's really up to your personal discretion. I wish I could be more help but you can do either way well, just as you can do either way poorly. It's all on your skills as a writer, really.

>>78252439
in THIS case i would show their origin. it's too unique and weird not to explain, plus the origin story is probably interesting. It doesn't have to be a complete chapter or anything, just show us wtf happened.
I mean I ASSUME it was a complicated origin. If not, just give us like the powerpuff girls intro version
Either way though, whatever you do it should start out with exactly what you outlined in your first post, except showing instead of telling.. the three annoying each other in their specific ways that shows us who they are. That's a really important thing to start characters out with (something I never had to be TOLD to do because I was always itching to quickly show them off when I introduced them). You look at the introduction to Gargoyles, we see the little faggy one being clever, the beaky red one being dour, and the fat one being fat.. even in the middle of a tense dramatic battle and long before they actually get names. They did it in just a few seconds but it established them and did the job

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>>78252247
Okay, thanks for all that feedback. I used to draw the characters without the sticks, actually. This is one of the earlier things I drew with them. It probably wouldn't take that much longer to just start drawing the tubes again.

>>78252719
okay but get ready to be called lezzy. especially because holy shit how do you pronounce that.. i'm abnormally good at pronouncing eastern european orthography and i still cant figure that out. You'd think the first time people using roman letters met them they wouldve been like 'oh yeah okay this cyrillic letter goes with this roman letter' and all would have been well

anyway, she looks chill. I like her. Not much else to say except her face is a bit flat, and you should probably pull the eyes and the top of the nose back a bit, correspondingly giving the nosebridge a much less steep angle

>>78253072
Will the bugs be antagonized by a Venus Flytrap?

>>78253072
okay wait.. so they are bugs.. but one's a cookie jar bug and one's a billiard spider and.. okay, i get it. that's pretty cool

>>78253098
>especially because holy shit how do you pronounce that
Could be worse! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlOoSsfU6cM
To answer your question, something like lesh-chi-neck I guess, with "chi" having its "i" sound somewhat similar to "i" in "with" - I don't remember English having an accurate sound for that. Shorten it however you want.

I can't draw straight forward face shots. Something about the necessity of symmetry is throwing me off. Half profiles should be harder in theory but I find them much more comfortable to draw.

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Help a brother out with these vague options:

Fanart Friday tonight's update should be...
>threesome under a mistletoe (characters themselves are not christmas characters)
>nude grown up version of a girl from a christmas movie

>>78253430
Oh okay.. so basically, sz = sh and cz = ch. that's easy enough to remember. That's probably what happened, too, they were like
>comrade, which roman letter is make combination with other letter to change sound?
>Not sure what you are meaning.. ehhhhh is z i think.
>are you sure?
>eet is doing nothing else
>why are we speaking broken english in greentext when surely meant to be translation?
>no soap, radio

>>78253947
i was with you until grown up
threeway kisstletoe sounds nice to me

>>78249128
I'll try messing around with her face when I get off work tonight. Thanks for the suggestions!

>>78252247
The wings make it look like a bug. Even after he pulled a cookie out, I thought he was some kind of cookie insect.

Is drawing porn of your characters a good way to get readers? I never heard of anybody talking about Questionable Content until he started drawing porn of it.

>>78254465
somehow i think it's better to let someone else draw the porn of your characters
but by all means, draw porn of someone else's. That will at least show your potential readers that you have good taste and good art skillz0rs

the main reason i never draw porn of mine is i don't want it to overshadow the main story.. which it basically would. like even though i love the art style, i'd never wanna watch the TV version of Cutey Honey, and that's merely cutting out the nudery, not even porn. just once you've seen that, the neutered version will seem lacking

>>78254465

Cheesecake is the best way to go. Something that leaves just a little to the viewers imagination. Tease them yet give them something.

>>78254465
Usually the amount of porn a work has made by fans determines how popular a work is.

>>78254465
This >>78254777
Ideally you want your fans making porn of your characters, not the other way around
Nothing is quite as awesome as your first l-l-lewd fana-a-a-art

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Okay, I think I've designed what I think is a passable title panel. What do you guys think?

>>78255054
Story better be great, because the art certainly isn't going to capture an audience

>>78255054
aside from the obvious (basic motor control, this tool you're using where fillbucket isn't quite going up to the edges of the outlines and in turn is somehow changing color slightly, basic representation of everything), you should ask yourself if this is readable, my good snip. it's not, right? well your author tag is. You'll want more contrast for the title. Something with robust dark words over a light background, or vice versa

also this is odd but i feel like you should study under the Beeserker guy

>>78249632
For a gag comic that isn't trying to convey something complex, sure. For a space battle comic? Hell no, not standard at all.

>>78248182
And nothing of value was lost this day. People don't seem to realize that someone in this thread likes responding to shit to make it look like the person before is picking a fight.

>>78252719
That profile view is a good improvement from the last one, and even the full body image looks a little better. Keep it up.

>>78255519
Tried telling them that last time and look what good it did. This thread is full of Tom Prestons.

>>78255788
no this thread is full of asshole trolls who think there's a right way to do a comic

>>78255901
>being this bitter about criticism
>literally being Tom Preston
Jesus christ kid grow a pair of balls already, or go back to your hugbox
There are most definitely ways to make comics less shitty. If you don't want to listen and make shitty comics go right ahead but don't cry when people tell you it's shit.

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>>78255901
Split the difference. The thread is full of assholes. It always has been. It'd be better if we were productive assholes than assholes who rambled on about circlejerking skype drama.

I mean, by now the people here seem to get the drill and the drama-mama's enjoy the attention because it makes them relevant without having to post content.

You should be popular here, for better or worse, unless you're providing insight and critique or your own work. And you ought to expect to be ignored if it isn't up to snuff, or told that is sucks.

Because it probably does, on some level. You're posting here rather than on some name-dropping hugbox because that's the format of this site. You do poor quality work, expect a poor quality response; if you do great work, expect little response; if you pander with nudity, expect responses.

I mean I love it here. I love the vitriol and the enthusiasm, but lately shit has not been up to snuff. It is however, nice to see new blood come to the table.

The people who shit up these threads know what they're doing. Honestly I miss when we had topics or webcomics to discuss for the purposes of plunder or mockery; things seemed more productive and the conversation had greater purpose. It was never high rhetoric, but I liked it.

>>78253072
Could be interesting.

>>78250959
Honestly cute and likely to catch on, even if that was never your intent. Hits your lolita market and the creepy-cute market.

>>78252719
Easy up on the folds and you might get it done faster, or find a way to simplify in general. Her appearance is also kind of generic. I guess it depends on how stylish you want to go; but she might be cute with her bangs covering her eyes. How do the other characters look?

>>78256081
A few months ago I would've dismissed it, but Nunc you've got tension chops enough to do what you're doing and make it work. It could always work stronger, and it will improve over time; but for how recent your work is it is above my expectations.

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Finished this page!

>>78256176
Are we approaching an Annabeth origin story?

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>>78239023
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>>78250129

>havent made a single post in this thread yet, >all these people talking about me and debating over me

wow, feels good to be known yall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iCd6UHR-3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2klTw123_jw

>>78256287
No.

That'll be for the game if it happens.

>>78256358
Fuck you, just give us a definitive answer on Annabeth's genitalia.

>>78256138
I already had some "clout" in the lolita market for drawing a bunch of snobby girls but part of the community hates me for it haha. They would probably label Mimi as too casual to really be lolita but I don't care much considering I didn't want to draw little details over and over again for something like this.

>>78256081
I'm going to deconstruct this to explain why 4 panels is terrible for this comic

>Panel 1
Literally nothing. Nothing to show us what's happening, where we are, and what's going to happen.

>Panel 2
An explosion happens with absolutely no setup in the previous panel. Why even bother having panel 1?

>Panel 3
Acceptable

>Panel 4
Suddenly he's threatened? By who? Where are they? Where's the sense of danger you'd have created by drawing the ship actually being surrounded? If he had at least done the latter the sheer amount of text bubbles would feel like it's surrounding the character and his ship instead of just cluttering it.


The biggest sin of this comic is just how lazy it ends up being. As already mentioned it looks and feels like it should be some sort of gag comic, as the story he wants to tell is simply not being told by the limits of both his imagination and his panel format.

I would go as far as to say that you could significantly increase the quality of the comic by changing the text to a gag

>Panel 2
>Warp jump completed. Welcome to the Sol star system.
>Panel 3
>It's great to finally be going back to Earth! It's so boring in the void of space with no culture to fulfill me.
>Panel 4
>[each bubble contains a spam advertisement message for things like sodas and long distance plans]

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>>78256328
>happy he's Chris-chan
Fucking autist

>>78256461
Maybe if you read the comic you'd understand it, anon.

No, the pages aren't meant to be read independently like some kind of gag comic.

>>78256379
We'll see :^)

>>78253206
Thanks!

>>78253119
For the story, I had the idea that they live in a town with a bunch of other bug characters. The cast would be pretty big, and I've already drawn designs for most of the characters. The town comes under threat by a huge army of robot bugs - like Samurai Jack levels of robot bugs. The main characters are going to fight them off, but the comic would mostly focus on their antics when they're just at home in town.

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>>78256522
>telling me I don't understand it
>not understanding what I wrote
No, you're the one that doesn't get it.

The comic just isn't good. It's repetitive, unimaginative and boring, especially because it's in a 2x2 format. If he at least did full pages with difference sized panels it would be a lot less monotonous even if he lacks the imagination to depict spaceships actually fighting in space.

What I'm implying that you could take any comic of his and replace the text with a joke and it would work better than what he's done because that's the expectation for a comic with a 2x2 format given that it's undeniable 3-4 same sized panels is the best format for gag comics.

>>78256821
>No, you're the one that doesn't get it.

Chill out dude, It isn't like He is paying him to read it.

>>78256898
>It isn't like He is paying him to read it.

I mean, You are not paying him to create his comics.

>>78256821
You're fighting a losing battle bruh. How does that proverb go, you can bring a horse to a river but you can't force him to drink?

There's really no saving this garbage to be honest. You can help him improve his execution, but the story, art, and dialogue are all so shitty he just needs to keep doing things his own way and learn in the long run.

>>78253947

Can you jusy fuck off to /aco/ xxx hows my webcomic thread, this is sfw, not nsfw, gtfo already.

>>78257040
>How does that proverb go, you can bring a horse to a river but you can't force him to drink?
I have a proverb too - "You can't post on the internet and be immune from criticism"

>>78257160
Scribblehatch disagrees with you.

>>78257040
>This post predicted this post
>Anybody is shit except for me.
>Bu..but, this isn't a hugbox.

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>>78255519
I find the more complex the subject matter, the more I want it to be very simple easy-to-follow format like a storyboard.
That said, nunc should feel free to subdivide those panels anytime.. to, say, show a ship in the distance in one corner of the panel, then more close up

>>78255693
man no, not cool. you said
>All I got were "Where's your comic posted?" and "What's your website?"
and it's like.. I gave you tons of input and a lot of support and praise and suggestions. but I guess that doesn't matter, you only want to hear you're shit.

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>>78257371
>I find the more complex the subject matter, the more I want it to be very simple easy-to-follow format like a storyboard
There's a Scott McCloud for that

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>>78257674
>>78257371

>the biggest sin is being lazy
>doesn't understand what's happening because he hasn't even read it

oh sweet irony

>>78257674
Hey, space comic guy, I know you like your 2x2 format, but the format of this page lends itself to that kind of story better while being simple at the same time. Just a thought

>>78256081
ohhhcarumba

>>78257767
>MMUH EPIC STORY PLOTS YOU'D ALL SEE HOW MUCH OF A GENIUS I AM IF YOU'D READ IT I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GRADUATED THE TOP OF MY CLASS AT THE NAVY SEALS SNIPER TRAINING ACADEMY

I never thought the Belonging To Nobody author would be having a meltdown, but here we are.

And he seemed like such a nice guy...

>>78252719
the jacket and crotch folds are fantastic. the cuffs of the pants aren't quite as impressive but i see no problems with them.

>>78256176
hmmm it looks like you still didn't quite resize anna on the couch well enough, but fuckit, you tried. you listened at least!

>>78257849
I think you're projecting just a bit.

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>>78239476
A small WIP. (Don't worry, I going to used Gimp tomorrow)

Anyway, Time for good dialogue.
>O-joe, You come out of here and do your job!
>It wouldn't be fun if I can't collect my picture of this dead-child.
>I mean, Just look at his dumb-expression! It is priceless!

>>78256821
anon. you didn't understand it. your suggestion on how to rewrite it makes it clear you do not know what the comic you're reading is about. this page follows from the previous, and leads into the other. That's not exactly a difficult concept or an unusual situation at all

>>78257924
Thank you anon.

Sorry I couldn't, any more and Neptunia would have been practically part of the couch.

>>78257674
this part i actually agree with, and it's something i'm working on myself
though i'd rather see it not done at all and just stick with peanuts fixed-size fixed-perspective if you aren't any good at changing it up yet. Experiment, but..

>>78257849
Never thought it would generate so much drama. I always thought it was shit, but in that "done by a kid" sort of way so I didn't have the heart/care enough to let him know.

>>78258036
I can't find this comic anywhere, link?

>>78257849
i'm actually amazed how well he's handling this. not a bad response yet. not even a "stop helping me" to the people arguing the other side.

>>78257969
Holy fuck, are you actually incapable of recognizing satire?
Ignoring your Asperger's symptoms for a moment, I've been in these threads basically forever and HAVE been reading the comic so your cries of "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" doesn't mean shit.

Fuck off already, Nunc Internet Defense League

>>78257996
well yeah, t'buh it's a difficult shot to work out: a person leaping across a couch to tackle another person..
Someday when you do West Tree Kai, I suggest Jack sits down on the arm of the couch and she gets him there

>>78258119
well then you're just an idiot? why would you make that suggested rewrite that has nothing to do with the comic?

>>78258083
http://belongingtonobody.tumblr.com/
that's just the name of the tumblr. the comic itself is called Res Nullius, which tells me >>78257849 hasn't actually read it. Which, given the 'meltdown' comment, would be consistent with the general level of awareness

>>78258119
It's clear he also takes off his name to defend himself. He has a really defensive yet meek writing style.

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>>78256328

seriously debating on merging my DEMON JUICE project with my HAIR AND SOLE PROJECT

and my FATES project with my HAIR AND SOLE project!

whats stopping me? DEMON JUICE takes place in the united states and HAIR AND SOLE takes place in the united kingdom, BUT BOTH EXIST ON THE SAME WORLD AND IT WOULD BE SO FUCKING EASY TO JUST REARRANGE THE THE CURRENT 3 CHAPTERS OF DEMON JUICE WITH THE 3 CHAPTERS OF HAIR AND SOLE INTO 6 CHAPTERS OF "DEMON JUICE", just link the chapters with some inbetween pages and have them all meet up in chapter 7, 8, or 9, ya know?

DEMON JUICE is super connected with my HAIR AND SOLE project, it just makes since

but i have mega websites for each one individually and it would be a pain in the ass to combine the two and get my readers and subscirbers to switch over from HAIR AND SOLE to HAIR AND SOLE COMBINED WITH DEMON JUICE

FATES & TRUE SAGA a little more tricky, i would have to destroy the moon like planet of tatuu where FATES takes place and make into a continent on planet NIBIRU where my TRUE SAGA project takes place

FUCK it would be so worth it in the long run for quality, length, and a load off my shoulder from managing over 4 different webcomics each with there own lore and characters and story and shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU

>>78258119
>Fuck off already, Nunc Internet Defense League

Chill out, You wanted to be a critic. Stop arguing with other people and give the guy the advice. Or You are that stupid?

>>78258151
>still doesn't understand the meaning of satire
I am not being facetious when I ask this, but are you autistic?

>>78256461
I wasn't saying he should do a gag comic, I was saying that's what a 4 panel format is for. Something short and simple that doesn't need establishing shots. His story is set in space, a place that you CAN make full of color and details and use fucking amazing settings. He chooses black with white dots and a 4 panel format because he doesn't know how to do anything else and refuses to try and learn. He's just being lazy.

>>78257371
>I find the more complex the subject matter, the more I want it to be very simple easy-to-follow format like a storyboard.
Not how that works.

>>78257405
I just checked the archive. Three people asked about my webcomic or website, one tried to troll. Of the three that asked about my non-existent webcomic, one asked about what kind of story I wanted and what my plans were. They then suggested I make a one-shot and post it to Patreon.

So in total, I got three people praising me, one trying to troll, and of the three praising only one with actual input.

If you're the guy that talked about what to do with a patreon then sure, you gave some input. But that input was more that I should be giving myself a source of income, not really anything about my drawing or ideas specifically. Of the four, you were the only one that posted something relevant.

Advice doesn't need to be nice. It doesn't need to be sugar coated, and it doesn't need to be watered down. In the case of Nunc, he's being lazy to compensate for his lack of technical knowledge and trying to take shortcuts and it's really cutting into his quality. People are recommending he take the time to learn because he has a lot of passion, and for some reason others are trying to say "No, he's fine, don't make him improve."

I thanked you for your support before, and I'll say it again. Your advice was that I should start, and you're right. Thank you for being the outlier, but I don't think I was wrong. The majority of this thread just tries to coddle.

>>78258202
>give someone advice
>they don't want to listen
>have to drive the point home
>"PLZ STOP ARGUE GIBS ADVICE"
No Anon, you are the stupid.

>>78258123
Yeah, true.

>West Tree Kai
Lol, as much as I love West Tree, I think one time around would be enough.

I'm already remaking chapters 1-3 for the books, that's hard enough as is.

>>78258253
>No,You are stupid.
Am i dealing with a child?

What kind of reply is that?

>>78258218
I think you're just bad at it

>>78258225
>Not how that works.
oh my fuck, I've been wanting the wrong things for years!

news flash: space is black with white dots. I'm one of the few artists I know of who ever bothers putting in the odd red or yellow dot, and usually one nice big blue one.

>>78258344

Bones, how does it feel not being the biggest cancer in these threads?

>>78258198
>and my FATES project with my TRUE SAGA project!*

>>78258344
>>78258401
YOLO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlJLz9M8hQ

>>78258225
i'm none of those guys dude. you fucking forgot me. I said a whole lot more than just where's your comic and what's your website. We had a decent-sized discussion about your art style. It was nothing to do with any of this patreon stuff or your plans, or 'that you should start' or any of that that you've listed here.
Now you're just being an asshole to nunc and inferring refusal to learn when he's already rapidly improving and has been all along. he listens to every bit of critique and it has shaped the entire comic thus far.
>for some reason others are trying to say "No, he's fine, don't make him improve."
and then you're saying outright lies like this. that's not okay, man.

>>78258397
If you're lazy, sure it is.

>>78258401
Isn't Bones just scrib? Why do we pretend he isn't?

>>78258180
I've been reading it for the last few months as he's been posting it in this thread, I just never bothered going to his Tumblr. Nice try though.

>>78258447
I checked through every thread I've posted on, which is only this past week or so, and there was never a discussion about my style.

Now, who's lying again?

>>78258283
in order: a description of what they did, a dirty lie about the response, a frankly flabbergasting leap of shit logic as to what they "have to" do next, and then a confused response mistaking posts for being directed at themself and wondering why those don't apply to them

>>78258401
Don't reply to him.

>>78258477
you
>>78258468
oh i see, and he always links the tumblr, so you took that for the title. that's actually understandable. my mistake

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>>78258494

He's not even the problem anymore. Pretty sure >>78239023 should now read as "Don't reply to Overly Aggressive Critic Anon ever".

>>78258538
>Keep critique short or take it to the batman thread.