This fucking sucked, Bendis sucks at events. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED IN THIS ENTIRE EVENT, nothing got answered, they wasted 4 issues on a war that ends with Miles showing up, telling them it's pointless, then they rush at Doom without the fight being shown
I'm so mad at this, I thought the Ultimate Universe would get an ending, not this bullshit
I feel like the epilogue with miles waking up and stuff should have been at the end of the actual secret wars series and this issue should have come out before last weeks issue.
Those last couple of pages pissed me off because it felt really lazy, not soo much on Bendis's part but on the artist's. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they both came up with this idea of having the panels slowly disappear until there is just white, it just feels like a cheap trick. As someone who believes in supporting the industry and voting with my wallet this issue legitimately pissed me off. I have loved Marvel all my life but soo much of the stuff they put out these days just isn't good.
>tfw I used to defend Bendis and he does shit like this
So I wonder how many Ultimate characters Bendis will bring back in the Upcoming Miles book. I have a feeling he'll bring back Ultimate Jessica
MJ, Gwen, May, and Peter are staying dead though
He used to be good. USM was good, damn it.
Are we going to get an explanation for his mom being alive again, or should I just dismiss it as Secret Wars shenanigans?
In any case, thanks for the stoytime, OP. At least it's over.
You say that a terribly-written book that ignores its own plotlines, pads out its storylines, has awful dialogue and villain characterizations is "great"
You don't have a leg to stand on.
>he hasn't read any classic Amazing storylines
Not all of Amazing has been McFarlane tier or Clone Saga shitfests.
Besides Bendis was really doing nothing new other than decompression of old stories.
Which is fine for introducing new readers to the character but let's not pretend USM actually covered new ground. It was classic high school age wish fulfillment comics.
Guess what the vast majority of USM was nothing special either.
It's just that some people like 1610 high school Peter and some like 616 adult Peter.
It doesn't change the fact that the rest of the Ultimates universe was a complete shitshow and besides 1610 Spidey is fucking Miles.
>he's in highschool and fighting the same villains
>hey they've done this shit before!
Most of Spider-man and capeshit in general is just rehashing old storylines you goddamn idiot.
>anyone that disagrees with me is a shitposter
I sure am glad that you're the hero in this story that your delusions have crafted where Spider-Man has enough good comics worth fighting over and rivers flow of chocolate and the G-spot exists.
I've read plenty of ASM actually, I just don't view it through rose colored glasses because I'm not that enthralled by the character anymore.
I didn't say it was all bad, I said 90%, so there's 10% of a comic that has been written superfluously for the past half-century that I enjoyed, but Peterfags will defend everything that makes the character look good to the death.
>i can't handle your radical opinions
Truly great spidey stories are few and far
between. there was good stuff in the 80s. 90s shit was 90s shit. And JMSs run and the rest of the early 2000s had nothing amazing. And since OMD ASM has been eithr decent or mediocre
Honestly blame Quesada broseph.
He's the one that seems to only want Peter stuck in perpetual manboy stasis rather than actually maturing.
I'm not really a big fan of Spidey in general because I remember a time when he was needlessly stuffed into more comics than Wolverine and Deadpool combined and in general I see the point of having a USM style book as a gateway drug but in general I wasn't that impressed with Bendis's USM run and let's be honest after Loeb fucked up the 1610 USM was the only thing going for the Ultimate Universe.
I can't handle idiotic opinions.
>Truly great spidey stories are few and far
>it's not great so it's shit
Like this one. There are tons of good Spider-Man stories.
>And JMSs run and the rest of the early 2000s had nothing amazing
Except JMS run was pretty damn well-written for a superhero comic and was one of the best things to happen to the character until editorial fucked everything up with Sins Past
Honestly any book that's been written for 50+ years is going to have a bunch of filler.
FF, Avengers, X-Men, ASM, etc have all had shit runs during that time.
In terms of overall quality though Bendis USM is solid in terms of the last 10 years but honestly probably won't hold up that well.
And eventually Marvel will do yet another Peter reboot in a pocket universe because Marvel needs books without a ton of crossovers because otherwise the only entry into the comics is the movies and cartoons.
>And eventually Marvel will do yet another Peter reboot in a pocket universe because Marvel needs books without a ton of crossovers because otherwise the only entry into the comics is the movies and cartoons.
That's Spidey, which isn't 616 no matter how much they say it is.
Millar should've been the one to end the universe.
Call him "edgy" or whatever you like, but at least he knows how to write a conclusion that actually feels satisfying.
Even shit books like Kick-Ass or Nemesis had some hype moments near their ending.
Plus, it was Ultimates that truly shaped the Ultimate Universe.
I would say that I couldn't believe Bendis could do something as unflinchingly shitty as this but he always seems to find a way. Holy shit, I'm glad I didn't read this tie-in. This was the dumbest single fucking book I've read in the entire event. And holy shit the writing was just god awful. How can you spend that long reiterating the fact that Doom is a bad man? And not even using different words. Everyone just literally kept referring to him as a "bad man"
Jesus fuck really? Artist could have drawn characters disappearing in battle or I dunno actually done more than just copy and paste.
Also a Miles wankfest is a shitty way to end what was the Ultimate universe, also this was a waste of comic story.
I'm still sure he was mad at Loeb for fucking shit up and wanted to make things even more absurd as a mockery of sorts.
I don't like Millar usually, but he was pretty good on 1610 comics before Loeb fucked everything up.
Wait, I'm confused. If they knew about the Thors, how can Logan telling them about the different Zones be a surprise?
Everyone knows about battleworld and different zones, they just didn't know it was all fake and created by Doom.
You're so mad that someone has a different opinion than you that you accuse everyone that does of shitposting, you need to grow up, kid.
Even more you're upset that someone dare sully the quality of one of the most iconic characters in the world with their opinion, like my opinion is going to set t-shirt sales on fire or stop the 6th movie in 15 years from happening. But keep lapping it on up.
It's straight up numbers, there's a lot of Spider-Man/Peter Parker stories\runs\writers out there because it's been in print so long, and most of them are mediocre.
Lee/Ditko is a staple because it's the character's introduction, and beyond that there's peppered interesting takes and great storylines but in no way are they in the majority nor are they interesting to read for anyone that isn't just 'seeing where it goes' for their husbandu.
>IT'S ALL LE SHIT is just a different opinion, u le mad
>all that defensiveness
>grow up, kid
Yep, sure you are not a shitposter. Kill yourself already. Things you say have zero value and even less constructive criticism. It's not even possible to argue with you because "IT'S ALL SHIT AND I'M RIGHT YOU JUST BUTTMAD PETERFAGS" is the only "argument" you have.
>and most of them are mediocre.
>IT'S TRUE BECAUSE I SAID SO
But it is the end.
It's the end for all the other characters from the Ultimate Universe that didn't make the jump. This was their last hoorah, and they had to share it with 616 characters and they didn't actually get to really do much.
This was not the ending fans of the ultimate universe deserved.
>Honestly blame Quesada broseph.
>He's the one that seems to only want Peter stuck in perpetual manboy stasis rather than actually maturing.
As much as I want to agree with you, this isn't true. Quesada may have started that whole shitstorm, but he has nothing to do with it any more. The guy doesn't even work for Marvel's print department anymore. He works on the movies, on the committee that helps validate scrips and whatnot.
If you have any problems with the MCU flicks, its probably Quesada's fault. But not Spider-Man's manboy stasis.
You type like you're in a Youtube comment section with buzzwords futile lashing outs at someone over the internet because you're a huge manbaby, no wonder you self-insert as someone that Marvel doesn't want to age. I bet you still read Slott's run monthly so you can 'le rage' with all the other cool kids, but you don't buy it so clearly you're the victor in this scenario where the shitty book is still consistently top selling.
Stay perpetually mad, kid.
Quesada started the whole let's reboot Pete into a manboy with his dick in lots of chicks so I'm giving him at least partial blame.
Slott deserves alot of blame for keeping him there though.
Bendis didn't exactly cover a lot of new ground either with his homage to Lee and Ditko.
At least Editorial have finally exiled Logan and Pete from contaminating Avengers storylines.
I get why people like JSMs run. He was great with all the side characters and even managed to make MJ almost interesting. But I don't find his stories verry memorable aside from the shit in proximity to Civil War. Plus the Other and the web of life stuff is garbage.
>uses strawman to justify hate
>throws a fit when someone throws their own strawman right back at them
Can't handle your own shitflinging, huh? This is some weak ass bait. You can do better. Put some actual effort into it next time.
>stay le mad kid XDD
>being a hypocritical cunt complaining about buzzwords
>more shitty strawmen
Just admit that you're shitposting instead of acting like a hormonal teenage girl brought up by very religious parents, and let's be done with it. The bullshit you spew is getting less interesting with each minute and it wasn't all that interesting to begin with.
>still being this salty
>The bullshit you spew is getting less interesting with each minute and it wasn't all that interesting to begin with.
Are you talking to me or every Spider-Man writer ever?
>At least Editorial have finally exiled Logan and Pete from contaminating Avengers storylines.
Except for the whole part where pretty much the whole world, including the Avengers and whatnot, all use Parker Industries tech and whatnot.
The whole world is dependent on Peter being a two bit Iron Man knockoff.
>even managed to make MJ almost interesting
MJ has always been interesting. Its like you're just running through a list of common Spider-Man complaints, hoping people will get pissed at your shenanigans.
Very unimpressive trolling.
Guardians of the Galaxy is fucking awesome. I cant even fathom the amount of shit it's getting on /co/
Its just like the movie, which got good reviews, and its one of the highest selling comics in the world right now and for good reason
>b-but its not MUH GUARDIANS!
lol fuck off. Nobody cared or knew who they were before the movie. Consider actually having fun once in your life, thats what the run is, fun. Since when is NOT MUH a valid criticism? They're basically taking the gotg name and making it something better, there's nothing wrong with that.
Its basically the exact same for Kitty Pryde. Reinventing a C-list character into a badass renegade which is also selling well and everyone is enjoying it aside from you /co/ntrarians. Why is that exactly?
>most of the pages are about miles.
Fuck u bendis fuck you.
Amongst all the characters you could give send off to, you chose this shitty character which isn't even going to die in this even. Who wasnt even in the story for more than a few years.
I hate this.
I want my ultimate universe back
Without this spider-nigger.
>I'm supposed to believe the man who saved their asses and created a world for them to live on is villain\
>these ungrateful asses want to FUCK SHIT UP because they didn't know they were saved
How are these people not villains?
This thread's theme.
>How are these people not villains?
Couple of things:
No villains views themselves as a villain. In their own mind, they're the hero.
If they're ignorant of being saved and think Doom is evil, how does attempting to stop a believed evil make someone a villain?
The World Trade Center (Freedom Tower) is in the south side of Manhattan...Miles would be swinging in the Midtown district....this makes no fucking sense.
Would it kill you to look at a map, Bagley?
>Doom picked up the pieces
>picked up the pieces
How is saving their lives and millions of other from the destruction of world evil? It's like their brains stopped functioning
>$3.99 for this shit
Have you even read the main Secret Wars book?
Its explicitely stated that no one in any of the regions remembers the incursions. Aside from Doom and Strange, everyone's mind was wiped and made to think that they have ALWAYS been in Battleworld and that there was no world before it.
The characters who survived the incursions on the two life rafts were the exception. The life rafts prevented them from being affected by Doom's world-mind wipe.
>Hulk saying that he doesn't want to sound cliche but he needs to smash something
>That guys look of disgust and disappointment in the panel next to Hulk
Sums up my rection to Hulk and this page
Oh man, all the Ultimates and Ultimate Spider Man books i read over the years - this was making me really sad .
This was nothing. No story, no excuse for a story. Just a "deal with it, we killed all of them off without them even dying".
Ah man. Really more than just "meh" for me. Just sads.
I fucking hate the Guardians movie because it ruined my comics. Thanks for nothing James Gunn. You say you loved DnA but now poor Abnett is being forced to fit his characters into your own shitty characterization. It's not even Bendis fault, it was you. You alone. At least Bendis kept the Guardians closer to DnA in Assemble but you shat the bucket inmediately since the very beginning of this shit movie with those stupid songs that in turn made buffoons of the Guardians even on the Cartoons.
Fuck you James Gunn. I'll forever hold you responsible for killing the Guardians.
Some the tie-ins that have already been completed have already given hints to how Secret Wars actually ends after the final battle which basically consists of it being
The whole world blowing up and everyone(?) dying
>I was only nine years old
>I loved Bendis so much, I owned all his comics and merchandise
>I pray to Bendis every night, thanking him for the dialogue I have been given
>"Bendis is love", I say, "Bendis is life"
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot
>He is obviously jealous of my devotion to Bendis
>I respond "I'm a faggot?"
>He says "Yes, you're a faggot"
>I say "But I'm not gay"
>He says "I meant faggot as a generic insult, not to call you gay"
>I repond "It's still pretty homophobic"
>He punches me and sends me to my room
>I am crying now, because I wasn't finished talking
>I go into my bed and it is very cold
>I feel a warmth moving towards me
>I keep feeling a warmth moving towards me for 5 panels
>I feel something touch me
>2 page spread
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear, "Wanna read my latest comic?"
>"Your latest comic?"
>"You came to my room to show me your latest comic?"
>"Why else would I come?"
>"I thought you were gonna have your way with me"
>"You're 9 years old, anyone who could possibly think that would be twisted freak"
>"A twisted freak?"
>"Can I just read the comic?"
>He grabs me with his chubby nerd hands and puts me on my hands and knees
>I open the comic for Bendis
>He wasted several pages on characters eating and doing nothing
>It hurts so much, but I do it for Bendis
>I can feel my brain tearing as my eyes start to water
>I push against his force
>I want to please Bendis
>He laughs a mighty laugh as he ignores established continuity
>My dad walks in
>Bendis looks him deep in the eyes and says, "It's all over now"
>"Who the fuck are you? I'm calling the cops!"
>"You were suposed to say "It's over now?""
>"Fuck you, what are you doing with my son?"
>"You're no fun"
>Bendis punches the wall and leaves to write about his waifu some more
Bendis is love, Bendis is life
The amount of guff that Doom is getting from all of these ingrates when the only reason that any of them continue to draw breath is because he spent decades preparing to challenge an enemy who the gods themselves could not endure in order to save creation itself from oblivion. Oh, he didn't do it EXACTLY the way you wanted? Better go punish him, you stupid entitled babies!
I mean it's nice that at the end there was some lip service paid to this obvious contradiction
>"Oh, god, what if we're wrong?"
But then there's no exploration of that issue! That is way too interesting and way too important to just skim over that way!
Brian Michael Bendis is a gateway writer of the worst kind. He's a bad storyteller, with a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive double pages and WORDS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the writer himself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of his core make him a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable tumblr faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look smart, the unending Bendisspeak, boring personalities, the whole quipping faggotry and everything about his stories fuels their escapist fantasies, while the retconned character backgrounds, emphasis on his waifus, and overall preachiness of the writer make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average redditor and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes redditors and tumblr retards eat this shit right the fuck up.
Bendis is basically THE writer to attract the most hated comicbook fanbase known to /co/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to shitpost the fuck out of this writer and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Bendis thread (excpet for story times so we can see the trash for what it is) ever encourage /co/mblr to show their faces here.
>but not the worst of the worst
What has he done thats worse? I cannot think of a single book he has written that's worse. And that's saying a lot. Bendis has some REAL shitty stories.
That's exactly what I was saying. Of the entire comic book medium, yeah, there are WAY worse comics out there. But for your standard cape comic, Marvel and/or Bendis in general, this is some REALLY shitty writing.
Ultimately, you and I are in total agreement.
Secretly everyone is a Bendis fan. Sure people here like to feel they have superior taste by calling him shit, hack or whatever they want. They feel better knowing their current indy darling is way better than the top dog at Marvel because it somehow validates the comics they are reading and that's fine.
And yeah the things people complain about Bendis are true as well. He likes to write for trades with slow pacing arcs and his characteristic dialogue. Not to mention putting the stories over any kind of continuity fans want to be acknowledged.
But it's also true that what he does is exactly what Marvel needs. He actually puts some effort in trying to change and advance these characters. You people always criticize his changes because you don't want your characters to advance that fast. Maybe if a change is teased and slowly build then in ten years you will accept it but Bendis doesn't have ten years. He wants to move forward himself not wait until his grandsons do the job for him. You hate him for that but it's what Marvel need. His stories also appeal to the readers. He writes what they want to read. Compare Guardians of the Galaxy against Inhumans. Both had the same number of variants but Bendis still won because he writes the team of Guardians people are interested in reading, accuse him of waifuing or whatever but people accpeted Kitty as Star-Lord because Bendis sold her to them in the first issue. He also put the Avengers on the map and some might say he did it by using gimmicks and events but he was the one who dared to pull these gimmicks and events, and they worked. People liked it. Bendis does know what people want. /co/ of course has other ideas, and most likely those ideas would send Marvel into bankruptcy again.
Bendis works, and /co/ loves him. All the hate messages are just the way they have to show their love.
Keeps this saved for Civl War 2
Who's salty? You don't like bingo? What's wrong with you?
>White straight male is bad.
>Minority is good.
Where were you when /pol/ was literally edgy tumblr?
>Secretly everyone is a Bendis fan.
I don't keep it a secret. He HAS done some good stories. But overall, his writing career is extremely hit or miss. And when he misses, it tends to miss hard and be complete and utter garbage. Exhibit A: Ultimate End.
>I don't get the hate for that, still.
What's not to get? He ruined nearly the whole cast by giving them new personalities or with shitty retcons. That in conjunction with lots of Bendis-ism and shitty pacing = a shitty comic.
It just wasn't a very good written run. I remember my biggest complaint was the fact that I got into Cosmic Marvel because it was so far removed from all of the shit happening Earth and Bendis' run seemed to go out of its way to keep it grounded there. It's one thing to have someone on Earth on the team through something incidental, like Jack Flag. It's another entirely to have Tony Stark join the team and insist that they always have someone from Earth representing their interests.
And don't even get me started on the fucking Klyntar.
>Bingo was used to play in carnivals where black people were slaves
Oh fuck off.
Bingo was also original called Il Giuoco del Lotto d'Italia and from the 1500s. It has always been, basically, the same fucking game. Get your SJW bullshit out of here you mouthbreathing troglodyte.
I gave Bendis's first run a shot but it just wasn't for me. Like I said, way too much Earth bullshit. The new one, for what it's worth, isn't terrible, I'll admit. Still getting sick of Bendisspeak though.
Brian Michael Bendis is the most ingenious comic book writer of this century. Of any century. Bendis has created the perfect comic book formula, flawless in every way. He has sculpted a masterpiece, flawless and perfect. In fact, you can call it a masterpiece of flawlessness.
Brian Michael Bendis is the greatest thing to happen to comics since the invention of superheroes, and the most important thing to happen to mankind since the invention of paper. A one of a kind experience, nothing on Earth compares to this man's heartwarming, majestic, epic, and beautiful works of art. If the greats from the Golden Age were alive today, they would kill themselves for being so shitty compared to Bendis.
Bendis's poetic redundant dialogue about absolutely nothing should be compared to the greatest works of literature. In fact, if I could, I would take a shit on every comic book ever written, because Brian Michael Bendis is the best fucking writer ever.
>tells reader we'll get answers from ultimate peter in ultimate end
>after following a character for 10 years we get shit
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
>Ultimate End #5 thread
>four pages of the same dozens of facial portraits
>battle happens off-panel
>thread descends into nothing but copypasta and shitposting
>HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
Nigga, do you even know who your talking about? He's the master of Marvel, the king of comics, the future Editor-in-Chief. He has 2 shows based on his creations, Powers and Jessica Jones, and someday Mile Morales will be the next Spider-man in movies or TV.
Sorry mate, but Bendis is the King of Marvel. Those on Team Bendis will guard any and all storylines created by Bendis, or expand on it. I mean look at this shit →
Once he finally runs Marvel, we will enter an era of Bendis continuity. As long as there's a franchise with a movie or TV show, it won't be safe from Bendis Continuity.
He' the future Editor-in-Chief of Marvel, and the other writers at marvel know it. The ones that aren't with him are off doing Star Wars.
i'm never buying a fucking marvel book again
they treat their fans like shit.
pirating anything i want to read from now on.
it also helps that i'm still pissed slott is writing spidey.
there's no real peter parker anymore.
peter parker is gone.
I like Kitty's new outfit even though those yellow things are weird.
>WHERE IS ULTIMATE PETER
Dead. Along with the rest of the Ultimate characters who aren't Miles and The Maker.
Everyone in this book, minus Miles, is literally just a cheap imitation. They are all constructs created by Doom from his memory of the Ultimate U and 616 universe. These characters don't matter and never did.
>I was only nine years old
>"Only nine years old?"
>Yeah, only nine years old
>I loved Bendis so much, I owned all his comics and merchandise
>"Comics and merchandise?"
>Yup, comics and merchandise
>I pray to Bendis every night, thanking him for the dialogue I have been given
>"Pray for Bendis every night?"
>Yeah, right? I pray to Bendis every fucking night...
Millar doesn't need the big two anymore, and he doesn't want to play with other people's toys.
Though it's probably better for him that he didn't see this firsthand. I would feel bad if something I created got put out of its misery like this.
wtf, he saved what little of the universe he could, I bet freaking Richards told people this lie
What a fucking disgrace. All the delay and Bendis/Bagley couldn't have put together something cool for the Ultimate characters' last stand no they just reused their portraits for six pages straight and then blank space for another two fuck's sake I am never reading Bendis again.
>this entire miniseries
>fucking delayed because of a spoiler which turns out to be the return of Rio Morales and the teaser to Bendis' 2016 Spider-Man book
Ultimate End is too painful to read.
They fought the Thors. Manhattan domain is presumably cleansed. Set shortly before Secret Wars #7, I think.
Last week (officially), with the current Invincible Iron Man creative team and has a date of May.
Awesome! I now love Rio Morales!
Did Bombshells MILFy mom survive, too?
<tfw Bendis actually forgot that Bombshells powers only work when in contact with her mother...