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How's Your Webcomic? #220

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>Post ideas, art, comics you've done
>Share your website/portfolio
>Ask for critique, information, or advice on writing or drawing
>Practice
>Practice Practicing
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>>78185823

Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed]

Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/
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>>78185849
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And now I'm waiting on the promised explanation of face/head/whatever golden ratios various studios and artists use as guidelines, seems interesting.
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>>78185902
you just had to do it didnt you
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Nother break from Mimi and other tasks. Finished some buttons. One task down, 3 to go.
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Doing your best is just the tops.

There's nothing better tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELv8yBJi-Kc
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>>78185934
Huh? The guy said he'll draw an example and I'm simply interested what it'll turn out to be, especially since somebody mentioned different styles focus on different values or something.
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>>78186009
Don't you mean, there's nothing better than shutting out all criticism that isn't glowingly positive?
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So I've hit a writing block in my comic. There aren't enough characters and I'm not really sure how to fit more in. I think the story might be too short and too small for a webcomic.

Basic outline:

>girl is nearly hit by a truck on the street
>girl meets Death (pictured: a grim reaper kind of character), finds out she was supposed to die
>girl convinces Death to take a vacation and experience the world of the living
>Death really enjoys the world of the living and, as a byproduct, stops doing her job
>Death (the concept) slows to a halt and people are not dying, Death doesn't care because she's having too good of a time
>girl has to find a way to fix what she ultimately got herself and the world into

The way I'm writing it, the girl is the only person who can see Death, so I'm not sure how to fit other characters in.
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>>78186446
She has to get Death to start doing her job again, so I imagine there would be a lot of comedy where she tries to convince Death to do her job while bystanders give her funny looks.
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>>78186446
Isn't this the plot of a family guy episode? This sounds more like a short comic than an ongoing webcomic.
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>>78186525
>Isn't this the plot of a family guy episode

You're fucking joking. Is it? Oh my god :(
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>>78186525
Also, yeah, that's what I was thinking. It seems like it'd be more of a short than a full-length webcomic. I have other concepts for longer webcomics, but everyone always says to start with a short one. I'm just worried it's /too/ short.
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>>78186549
Yep, Season 2, Episode 6: Death is a Bitch.

Death comes to reap Peter but sprains his ankle while in their house. He's out of action for a while, so people stop dying. Peter has to do Death's job while his ankle heals.

The idea of a little girl befriending Death is still a good one though, you just might want to think of a different angle.
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>>78186549
and a simpsons episode, dont forget that
nothing new under the sun and all that shit
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>>78186358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMR5JVo21wQ
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>>78186446
Make it a short story, rather than an ongoing. Aim for 20 or 24 pages, and you can eventually print it out as a self-contained comic.

>>78186625
I think there's even a Brother's Grimm story about a man who catches Death in a sack, and everything stops dying.
Doesn't matter if the idea has been done before; what matters is the execution.
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>>78186616
The girl doesn't take over Death's job, Death just starts being a lazy ass. Still, that is pretty similar.

G-god damn it, /co/, I've been working on this story for years. My refusal to watch Family Guy has finally bit me in the ass.

>>78186625
:'(
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That computer bitch stole his stuff!
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>>78186661
Yeah, that seems like the best idea. Would people even give a shit about a short webcomic? The shortest I've ever read is probably The Well On The House By The Hill, and even that was 50-some pages.
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>>78186724
They're definitely good to have. They make you look like more of a consistent artist rather than just having one idea.
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>>78186446
Heyyyy. There's an episode of Twilight Zone you may wanna watch.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/440828
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>>78186842
I'll keep that in mind. I'll definitely try and make it into a shorter piece and not overthink it as much.
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Reposting it.
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>>78187034
Sorry if you've answered this before, but why are some lines super smooth and other ones more pixely/binary tool-looking? Is that a stylistic choice?
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>>78187109

Arching is hard for me.

It always took all the fun from drawing. You probably wouldn't understand because you used to that kind of junk or got a better art program.

Also layers fuck up and I really do not want start over. I keep on trying until I started to like it.
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>>78185981
My heart canna take it
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>>78186446
fucking cute style
makes me wonder what would have happened if yusuke had managed to convince botan to just chill and hang out
or even more likely, Koenma.
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>>78186661
That's an old russian folktale, and he does all kinds of cool shit. Catching death in a bag is one of them. What's awesome is once he lets him out, death is too spooked to ever come near him again, so he's immortal. Similar things happen when he tries to just WALK to both afterlives. he's too badass for his own good

I also liked Chakan the Forever Man, dueling death, winning, becoming immortal, and then being tasked with destroying all evil in the world and being tortured with all the screams of everyone in the world in pain whenever he stops
then when he clears out all the evil on earth it turns out they expect him to clean up all the universe

point is nothing is totally original
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>>78185823

for the recycle picture guy
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>>78186724
i like artists who do series of unique short webcomics. every so often I get to enjoy their new project.. Maybe they have multiple ones at once that update at different times. it's all good. kiwis by beat always comes to mind
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>>78187109
he just got SAI
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>>78187800

shaded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgBZSKXpphg
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>>78185902
Sorry for being lazy about it, but I don't have the pdfs of the books that talked about it in greater detail anymore.

In the top left is one of the earlier versions of Bugs, which didn't have as many "golden ratios" as the newer version.

Next is a drawing someone did to make guidelines for Elsa. A lot of the lines follow the same rules, and prominent features land on meeting points. This is pretty common in Disney characters, and goes pretty far back in their history from Snow White to Big Hero 6.

Next is Pixar's rendition of Toothless, from How to Train Your Dragon. They modeled him after a cat, and his facial features follow pretty closely to a golden ratio because of this. It's the same reason babies and baby animals look so cute. Big foreheads, disproportionate eyes, button noses, they all follow a substantial curve. Lots and lots of images have been made showing those lines, some more credible than others. It's hard to dig through the shit to find what you need.

Then I picked two random anime screenshots. One more moe, one more 'realistic'. Both of them very different, but both have similarities. The eyebrows meet at a point similar to where the pupils meet the cheeks which create a gap for the nose that meets a line for the mouth.

I was a little lazy with it and it definitely isn't perfect, but the idea is that the ratio makes things more pleasant to the eye. It's not an exact science that artists use, they just draw something 'close enough' to create appeal. How they proportion things to reach that 'close enough' is up to them, but as a general guideline if you want something to look appealing, make sure it has good proportions.

If you want more exact lines and comparisons, find overlays on real human faces. There's a program called PhiMatrix that helps to do this with your own pictures, but I haven't tried it so I can't really vouch for it.

Don't take it as a law, because there are always exceptions. It's just a guideline that helps.
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>>78188231
Generally, you want to keep track of the eyes/pupils, eyebrows, nose, mouth, and chin. Those are the main features that you want to have fit the curve.
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>>78188231
the corners of those squares don't correspond to anything in the drawing though
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>>78188231
But Frozen is ugly. The nose is too low. Why doesn't your diagram show that?
It looks like someone just drew random shapes afterwards and said "See?"
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Making some updates to the art. Also updating in pagespreads to double the pagerate. Hope you guys like it!

http://www.beatwarriorcomic.com
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>>78188631
The corners aren't the only thing to worry about.

>>78188677
The diagram wasn't drawn to show phi, it was drawn to show proportion. The fact that you're already seeing phi in it shows that already.

And, if you could read, I said that it's a guideline. Not a rule. I personally hate all of those characters other than maybe Toothless, but they're all still good examples of multiple studios and artists following the same guidelines.
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>>78188820
*shows that you're seeing it yourself already
Sorry, a little tired. Jumping ahead with my thoughts.
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>>78188677
>Frozen is ugly

My heart.

>>78188810
Ha, this looks fuckin' cool, dude.
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>>78188810
>http://www.beatwarriorcomic.com
your art has really grown
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>tfw you spend forever on little details on comics and people are just gonna glance over the panels
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>>78189309
it's worse when you lazy out the backgrounds and everyone notices
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>>78189328
it's worse when you lazy out on coloring 2 background characters and no one believes it's a stylistic choice
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>>78189392
I see what you did there you sly dog you.
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>>78189309
THAAAAAAAAAT'S COMICS
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>>78189309
The whole point of comics creation is to spend more time thinking about the comic than the readers ever will. They don't notice it, but their brains do.
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>>78187930

I need a answer.

It is really worth it? Ms paint seem to be more funnier than gimp.

I really love Binary art.
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>>78189328
>it's worse when you lazy out the backgrounds and everyone notices

It's worse when you intentionally put in an Easter egg and people obsess over some random generic background character looking like so and so from some obscure anime you've never heard of.


Readers are weird.
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>>78189824
And it's WORSE when you put in an intentional Easter egg/reference/homage to a popular thing and get a bunch of people going "oh, Anon's ripping off [such-and-such]"

I fucking hate comics but here I am
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>>78189691
i hear you dude. not everyone wants to work in vector.
but just because you work binary doesnt mean you have to use something godawful and be scribbly. Ideally you'd like your work to look like, say, Prequel, right?
I think Sai can do that (someone else let him know if/how) and I know other programs can
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>>78190062
Sai can do that. You have to use the "legacy pen" tool.
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>>78190148
dildo spears are my hero
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>>78187800
>>78188131

Oh, And thank you bones...

You know what? In another life, We could be friends.
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>>78186661
>it's the execution

True, but the execution's been done better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvsnV0yNddc
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>>78191097
not fair to compare yourself to henson, man.
but yeah that is the best version of that story that has ever been done.
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>>78186446
Check out the book Mort by Terry Pratchett, it's a similar kind of story, if I am recalling right.
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>>78191570
I will, thank you.

>>78191097
Yeah, the "bargain with death" story is pretty common. I'm glad people are giving me so many versions of the story, part of it makes me discouraged, and another part of me is thinking "well, there's already this many versions of the story, why not".
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>>78191722
give it a twist of some kind
instead of the same ol' grim reaper (or the almost equally cliche 'actually he's a chill guy the grim reaper'), make it something else. Maybe it's anubis or thanatos. maybe it's some kind of fat little bird like the one sitting on her head (i mean i guess a raven is more thematically appropriate). Maybe a guy who comes off like the superintendent of a building. something where you're surprised THIS guy is in charge of ALL death, and really go into his personality so you understand why he'd wanna just chill out
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>>78191820
I don't know if I want to change her into a guy. I'm pretty attached to the idea of her being a little girl. I think that is kind of surprising, considering what she looks like. Then again, maybe that's cliched too.
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>>78191820
Oh, shit, wait. I fucked up my original description. The character pictured in >>78186446 /is/ Death.
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>tfw you can't write or draw for shit
How do I get into doing comics?
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>Share your website/portfolio
http://jimwellsart.com/
Posted in the last thread.
I'm still tweaking and messing with everything on the page. Would like some critique on my webpage.
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>>78192100
wait what?
>rereading your post
ohhh death is a girl too. okay! that hasnt been done very often if ever
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>>78192438
Start drawing or start writing. Or, uh, start learning how to letter, maybe.

>>78192461
Cute art. Webpage looks kind of simple, did you build it yourself or are you using a Weebly/Squarespace/Moonfruit type dealie?
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>>78186724
My comic is only 30 pages - though I'm not sure how many people give a shit about it! But I was always planning on printing anyway.
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>>78192471

DC and Marvel have female Deaths.
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>>78192438
do something dumb and pointless first so there's no stakes. draw a kinda ZIggy
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>>78192664
oh okay. i havent seen those. but i assume theyre more morticia and less wednesday, right? i want death to be like a teenager that gets over her deep poetry phase and just gets into anime and videogames and gets bored with the whole death thing
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>>78192520
I'm building it with adobe muse. Trying to keep it to the point.
>all these cactus captchas
what's going on tonight?
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>he's not working on his webcomic right now
What're you doing that's so important?
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>>78192810

Boop
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>>78192871
that's just Domino. that's boring
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>>78192869
Watching Samurai Jack.
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>>78192829
>not using legacy captcha
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>>78192871
Cute! My death's a lot younger-looking than that, though.

>>78192869
Client work, now and forever. Gotta git that (always late, always underpaid) money. The only reason I'm not always working on webcomics/personal projects is because of all the big boy work I have to focus on all the time
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>>78192829

It's better when all the street sign captchas were bugged and rarely worked, forcing you to do an endless cycle.

>>78192977

Eh, sometimes you'll be lucky and get the house numbers. Other times you'll get this ancient font of random letters overlapping each other.

>>78193014

That is cute! There's anime Deaths as well.
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i want your tender opinion /hywc/ - would you most be interested in a short comic about:

-a girl witch, her weeaboo best friend who uses spirit week as an excuse to wear cosplay to school and wants to major in "sequential art", and their other friend "wolf girl" a shy girl who wears wolf ears and a tail to high school
-a trailer trash scene kid whose dad is a high school football coach and mom was a professional cheerleader and his four siblings living in, you guessed it, a rural trailer park
-high school girl who does color field paintings for her AP art concentration fantasizing about having her own episode of Art21
-other trailer trash kid who really loves foreigner pretending to be a real juke box hero

all of these would be comedy/magical realism (though the first two would have more of the latter)
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What makes you think you have what it takes to create a webcomic? Genuinely curious. Was it praise from your peers in your youth that gave you the push? Or was it inspiration from something you've read?

Or are you just a retard who doesn't know what's going on but wants to put pictures with words?
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>>78193014
wait, so that girl IS death?
OH fuck, you did say 'pictured'
but you also said 'a grim reaper kind of character' and she isn't remotely one visually, which is typically what that character archetype means: a look.
... well now i think she's almost perhaps a bit too generic. but I'm still cool with this.
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>>78193071
it should be house numbers all the time until you get 'flagged' or whatever, which gives you the unsolvable captchas (literally unsolvable), at which point you have to switch back from legacy to click-the-pictures. and you'll know when you're unflagged because the pictures will stop 'requiring more solutions' and require fewer pictures clicked per solution
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>>78193127
Girl witch and jukebox hero sound the most fun to me. You could do a lot with both of those concepts.

>>78193133
Me draw good. I make art for other people for a living and I want to make my own shit at one point that isn't depressing autobio zines.
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>>78193133
NOT having what it takes, and managing to do it anyway, is perversely satisfying to me
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>>78193133
the last one.
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>>78193127
Love the first one
not feeling the second one, just sounds depressing. needs more of a hook, some kind of a story.
don't know what the third one is. like, at all
fourth isn't a story, more of a drawing. but i want to see that drawing and meet that kid.
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>>78193133

I AM DOING THIS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A STORY! AND GET PORN! AND GET PEOPLE TO STARTED TALKING ABOUT ME!

ONE THING THAT IS GETTING MY WAY IS SHITTY GRAMMAR AND ART! DO YOU WANT MORE? YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!

But, For real. It is a hobby.
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>my GOD the stones on you
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>>78193127
none of them sound good to me
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>>78193191
Yeah, I worded it like an idiot. I thought describing her as Death and "grim-reaper-like" would give more of an idea of what she's like, but I ended up being redundant.

Here's some old designs of the characters, I wanted to keep Death's clothes darker and more robe-like, and her skin is pale and sickly-looking to kind of give her that "dead" look, I guess
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>>78193133
I just always wanted to make comics... I started making zines when I was 12 and just kinda kept going. I didn't really make anything I felt good about until about two years ago though. Also I got to take my first storyboarding test for a TV show months ago and that convinced me I couldn't be totally awful since somebody thought I was good enough to function professionally. How dreamy!!
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>>78193336
that helps. i wonder if she'd like, insist on being referred to as a PSYCHOPOMP and not something so crass as a reaper
also your art is familiar.. reminds me of chickenscratch and also that one guy doing that one comic about things fighting.. it had a shark guy and a ginger
i would make the girl on the left's hair rounder but otherwise I really like her.
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>>78189309
Or they'll only notice and nitpick all the little details you didn't pay attention to.
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>>78193394
Yeah, in more recent art I've stylized her hair a bit more, so we're on the same wavelength.

I post in these threads and drawthreads every so often, maybe you've seen some old stuff floating around tumblr? Who knows
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>>78193366
That's awesome. Can you say which show?
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>>78193014
Your stuff kind of reminds me of Endling's. One of my favorite artists, I love the style. Did you already link your comic?
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>>78193481
nah it's just a common style
shit, othergirl looks full-on dude now. unless that's what you're going for, gotta keep an eye on the face length and nose size. but death is way cute. i'm getting a kinda star-vs vibe now. Is the comic going to be their fun cute slice of life adventures while the one just tries to keep up with the other's shenanigans and coax her into gettin' back to work, as comical death-can't-happen shit goes on?
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>>78193133
It was inspiration from zenpencil
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>>78192471
>ohhh death is a girl too. okay! that hasnt been done very often if ever
>if ever
Lol if you seriously think there's even a slim chance that "death/grim reaper is actually female!" hasn't been done by other people before. No original ideas left, anon.
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>>78193609
i cant think of it offhand. Outside of norse myth
my favorite death will always be the one frim bill n' ted.. but Anubis as voiced by Tony Jay was pretty fucking powerful in a great way.
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>>78193592
High praise, thank you. And no, it doesn't exist yet.

>>78193604
Ah, shit, I see it. I'll keep that in mind, thank you. And yeah, that's kind of what I was going for in the original script drafts. Like, Death having her first sugar rush and going to an aquarium and other bullshit nonsense like that
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>>78193221
thanks!! i've had this witch character for a couple years but haven't done anything with her beyond a page or two!

>>78193271
thanks also - art 21 is a PBS show about the studio practice of fine artists in the 21st century. it's really good, but can also be kinda silly and overtly academic. everybody should watch the one about trenton doyle hancock, my guy. also here he is... benjy "stars in his eyes" breyer

>>78193323
oops i forgot option 5
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>>78193481
>I post in these threads and drawthreads every so often, maybe you've seen some old stuff floating around tumblr?
I wouldn't be able to tell, the first thing I thought when I saw your drawings here was "wow, that sure is a generic tumblr art style there". Try to push yourself to be a bit more original, you'll want to get to a point where people who do see your art could recognize it as yours, and not have it look the same as half the art posted on some blog site.
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>>78193792
Noted, thank you. I think I'm getting to that point a little more every year.
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>>78193582
i feel obnoxious name-dropping because i've mentioned it here before, but it's a cartoon network show about rocks.
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>>78193832
Oh neat! A buddy of mine got the board test packet too back when the pilot had just came out. I thought she was hot shit. Good work, though, anon!
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>>78193641
>i cant think of it offhand.
Can't think of other examples offhand, this must be an original idea!- is not a logical conclusion. Google is right there, it's easy to check.
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>>78193873
Thanks!! I applied for the open call this spring but honestly didn't expect to get a bite. It was the most pleasant and affirming surprise!
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>>78192471
Wasn't there a season of American Horror Story where death was a woman? Or maybe she was just an angel of death, but she was definitely filling the role of a grim reaper type being.
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>>78193704
yeah this sounds good. excited to see where it goes next. i just hope you're as good at writing
eventually we could find out who the fuck appointed her death, what kinda system it is, how if at all she's being compensated. but only like at the end.
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>>78193732
hmm, he's less badass than in my imagination.. but it's still fun. Uhhh are you the same guy doing that band toon?
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>>78193792
well in fairness so far he's posted 3 very different types of art. and the one that was the most generic was also the most.. yknow,.. good. there's a reason art styles get repeated so often. better the almost-disney "tumblr style" than the henry-and-june steven-universe one
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>>78193792
Wish there was a way to keep bones here permanently banned. The baiting is fucking atrocious.
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>>78194071
yes, that is me. i'm that guy.
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>>78194101
"Generic" does seem to be the most common criticism when I post my art on here and on /ic/, though. I get it.
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>>78194261
so you're doin s'mo comics eh? well nothing wrong with multiple projects
or did this one finish while i wasnt looking
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>>78194269
i think it has to do with your overt strong technical ability and also the visceral reaction to anything that even remotely evokes tumblr. not that it isn't valid, but i personally always recognize your work when you post on here and/or /ic/ and i happen to see it.
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>>78193832
You have a show on cartoon network?!
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>>78194346
That's good to know, thank you.

>>78194434
They did a storyboard test, you silly fool.
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>>78193832
>it's a show about rocks
>works on my current favorite show
What's it like to work in that sort of environment? It's been my life long dream to work in cartoons.
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>>78194500
So..they tested him with a cartoon network show?
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>>78194327
I have nine pages to go on it, but desperately wanna finish before 2015 ends. I've had it totally planned out since about August so it's just a big ol slog at this point - I'm ready to make my big comic after the small one.

The new small comic will be around ten pages, but I think it's borderline irrelevant since I'm not gonna post it online until after it's printed.
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>>78193133
What it takes to create a webcomic? Not much. Do I have it? Sure.

What it takes to crate a good one? Idk. Do I have it? Probably not.
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>>78189094
>>78189232
Thanks! With this project it was quite a puzzle to find the right aesthetic for the comic. Right now I'm inspired heavily by Robert Crumb and Ed Piskor, and am currently studying Dave Stewart's coloring style. The goal is to have it feel raw and hip.
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>>78194536
A test! They did a TEST!
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>>78194434
>>78194536
>>78194501
I took a storyboarding test, which is an audition for a storyboarding job. It was for one position iirc - and I wasn't hired. My test was atrocious though, so I don't blame them! I'm hyped for whoever got hired on.
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>>78193133
I went to art school to learn make comics. It was a terrible life choice but I'm stubborn.
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>>78194937
Same here. I dropped out.
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>>78194937
I almost did but then couldn't afford it, so now I just go to... state skool. :'(
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>>78194986
I finished and then decided I hated art and didnt draw much of anything for a year or 2. I might like it again or at the very least I can produce work again without wanting to cry. The more I learned, the less I was able to produce. I became so paranoid about doing something wrong I became rigid and awful and couldnt figure out simple solutions. I'm STILL dealing with it like 4 years later.
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>>78195060
how are you so fucking noob?
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>>78195060
So, I am teaching art myself.
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>>78195083
I wasn't the only one this happened too. Many of my classmates gave up entirely or moved to other fields of art. One of my classmates does pet portraits now. They are better than her comics ever were and she's much happier for it. These things happen. I haven't quite moved on yet.
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>>78195115
Do it. Art school is a waste of time and money. Take a class here or there but it wasnt worth the 20k a year I paid. I have no debt for the record so it's not about me being bitter over that fyi.
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>>78195083
Did you go to art school? That and this >>78195163 happens to a lot of art school kids after they graduate. It's really sad. In my experience art school doesn't actually teach you how to market yourself properly or even make connections. Shit, sometimes you come out of it without even knowing how to draw any better than you could when you got there.
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>>78195060
yeah that's why I didn't go to art school
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>>78195246
should've gone to real school
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I love being a shit-eater about this kind of things.

Would a chapter where two women talk about another character they thought was a woman but is in reality a man, pass the Bechdel test?
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>>78196810
Technically not
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>>78193133
I'm ->decent<- at drawing, and I love drawing three things:
Monsters
Girls in pretty dresses
Historical Warriors

So I made a comic where that would be essencially all I'd draw
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boop
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Oi, thread.

https://youtu.be/WZvucbACmZQ?t=1h2m5s

Go to 1:02:05 and listen for about 60 seconds.

Anyone Can Cook.
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Be honest /hyw/, is your protag a Mary Sue/Gary Stu?
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>>78187303
Have you tried using vectors?
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>>78198197
If the character ever faces adversity at all, no.

Those terms were made to describe fanfiction.
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>>78193071
>Other times you'll get this ancient font of random letters overlapping each other.

type the following: anchovies Ð̢̄ͥ̈́̀̉ͦ̌ͪ̃̾ͦͤ̅̓̕҉̖̮̟̱͙͍̩̣℥̨̭̼̭̺͙̩̦̖̳͙̪̱̲ͮ͋̎ͥͦ̉̐͠Ω̶̗͇̲̺̙͚̹̰͖̱̩̽́̓̽ͫͥͯͩͤ́ͤ͊͜℧͈̯̘̱̻͔͖͇̒ͭ͛͛̽̅́ͅℶ̵̽̋͗̃҉̧̨͈̼͔̲̮͚̣̲̳͕̖̙̠̦̼̯̙̕⅊̧̡̘̻̦̙̱̦͔̠̻̝̭̣̥̰͂̆̾̊ͪͦͤ̂͋̂̐̔ͬ̾ͬ͝
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>>78196810
>>78196945
what if he's the ghost of a man inside a skeleton doll?
seriously though anyone who uses the term bechdel test against you is sure to be your friend when gender ambiguity is in the works
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>>78198197
No, thank god. I couldn't live with a story where they were.
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>>78198197
i do plan to one day include a full-of-himself character named martin stuart
but i cant think of anything beyond the pun
>>78198209
isnt he using vectors?
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>>78198316
Pretty sure he's doing it with a mouse on a raster layer. With vectors he could still work with a mouse and get nice fluid lines because you can edit the curves and stuff.
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>>78198077
this thing where you give tons of uplifting motivation and support, appropos of nothing, when nobody expressed a need for it, reminds me of something. i swear i've seen it before in fiction. the closest i can think of is that king of the hill episode with the crossdresser whose mother is so utterly supportive that her support is literally the only thing she can say in response to anything
anyway it's funny and you are great
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>>78198292
Do people even take the test seriously anymore? I mean, my comic "passes" it very ealry on, but not because I was trying to be "inclusive" or anything

Sucker Punch passes it while True Grit doesn't.
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>>78198331
well he's using anti-aliasing then for sure.
and yeah if youre gonna mouse you might as well use that anchor-pen thing. but i doubt he'll have the patience for it
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>>78198408
it is pretty old, but i'm sure feminists love it in the same way people venerate darwin despite everything he said being laughably out of date at this point (while still being certain nothing they hold true will ever be out of date)
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>>78198197
Yes. And I'm proud of it.
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>>78198340
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Well the page count for my site is pretty low this past week.
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>>78198197
I actually don't know. Do you guys think my characters are mary sues?
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>>78199595
I think Jack is your self-insert. The reason why he and Annabeth haven't started dating is that he's very true to you IRL and you are a virgin.
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>>78193133
I've wanted to make comics since I was 11 years old. Comic writing is the only skill I've put any real time and effort into developing. I fucked up in school and have no other marketable skills. This is what I'm here for.
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>>78199646
Jack actually was my self insert, hence why he was originally named Zach, but he changed into his own character. The real self insert is Sarah.
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>>78199702
You never denied being a virgin, which means soon I will be the first ever to tap your sweet, sweet boypussy.
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>>78199720
Yeah, but Jack isn't a virgin, he scored with Neptunia remember?
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>>78199735
Rape doesn't count.
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>>78199764
No, I mean In chapter 12 they did.

Though it was off screen and only in a written story format.
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>>78199764
Yes it does so.
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>>78199764
>>78199782
>>78199778
Ah, here's the story where they had consensual sex http://pastebin.com/2Tttf3Hh
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>>78193133
I realized that even if the end result sucked, I haven't really got anything better to do with my time. Drawing comics is kinda fun, and it's cheaper than video games.
Besides, it's not like "what it takes" is all that much, depending on the kind of comic you want to make.
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>>78198197
One of the main cast is half of a Mary Sue, she's extremely talented but is shunned by society. She's in the story as both an example of an archetype characteristic to the genre and a counterpart to the main character.

I'm still not sure if it stays like that though, I change at least minor concepts and plot points pretty much every week.
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>>78195060
That sounds like my adventure with programming. I used to be so enthusiastic about it in high school, but after finishing college and two years as a programmer I left my job. Everything is more appealing to me now, I worked as a cashier on 14 hour shifts recently and even that was better if you don't include low salary and how little free time I had for myself. This is also why I don't want to ever make drawing my job. If somehow I launch my comic and it gets successful, I'm planning to not charge a single USD for it. I imagine Jeph Jacques must be living through hell.
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>>78200202
I had a cashier job too oddly enough. I'd rather draw but being a cashier took no hard thinking. My spine and hips couldn't handle the standing and I was very sick of half the time I was working. The main reason I draw at all is because I hate everything so I know it's either I force myself or I do nothing.
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>>78185823
Had an idea for two webcomic though it never went passed planning stages because of multiple reasons, mainly the fact I can't draw for shit.

The first one was inspired by something that I read on a Calvin and Hobbes thread. It would be set in a 'Battleworld' like setting, where many famous artists lived. In this world, a regular man would desperately look for originality and then attempt to create his own stories. The entire message would be about how even if it seemed that everything had been created you should always try something new.

The other was a book about a group of immortals all of whom achieved immortality in different ways and were based on the Myers Briggs personality types. This book would be a mixture between something like Constantine, Doctor Who, Baccano! and Kara no Kyoukai. The immortals would either investigate or be dragged into various abnormalities of the supernatural in at different time periods. The cast would slowly change as time and stories went on as certain characters would fade into the background or die. The only cast members who would be guaranteed to show up in most arcs would be the Immortals themselves who sometimes may just have supporting roles.
Pic would be the basic personality types.
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>>78200149
Honestly, the definition of Mary Sue has become so broad it describes any main character the reader doesn't like.
I think the Author self-insertion combines with the character being good at almost everything is what makes one.

I mean, heroes in an adventure series will MOST OF THE TIME be compétents/talented at what they do; it's almost inevitable. Mine are competent too, though ultimatelly tend to need help for one another to progress.
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Don't call me edgy, but are there any pieces of fiction that ascribe demons (red skin, horns, work for the devil, chill in hell) as aborted fetuses? As in they immediately are sent to hell to be raised by other demons instead of just being fallen angels/corrupted men/blood related to Satan

Secondly, what about very young children (younger than 2 years old) who unknowingly commit sin before tragically dying going to hell and raised to be demons?

Just curious.
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Client work is the devil. Never again. Still so much more to do. Here's some side-project stuff from a script I need to finish rewriting. We got the vibe down finally though. New Sisters this Friday.

>>78193133
I was young and foolish once and we decided against science and law enforcement. That and we saw a lot of people doing it wrong and wanted to do it right.

Also early teenage years during the webcomic boom/bubble in which it seemed like a good idea. Which I think is probably the reason most people are here. It seemed like a more powerful media when we were younger.

>>78193127
>Girl Witch, Weeb, Wolf Girl.
Honestly, you've got the skill enough to make this endearing. That's some very sad content material and seeing it comedy/magical realism could sort of uplift the subject matter. Because everyone did embarrassing stuff in high school while trying to figure out who they were; and they may laugh about it someday but the rough times spent trying to find your tribe can be brutal.

>Juke Box Hero
This is also the correct choice.

>>78201428
An aborted fetus is covered by much of the same scripture that says "If you never knew about God, and had the potential/good in you; you go to Heaven." And that's without stepping into the whole "are they even human at that phase" thing. Most of the time they count as innocent for the purpose of further condemning the aborter to Hell.

Very young children who unknowingly commit sin are in the same situation. With the bonus of possibly being baptized. Intention and penance are huge deals, and if it was unknowingly committed it lacks intention. And if they died tragically, could take a God's Will form of cosmic penance. Likely not hell.

What you're looking for, comic-wise; is probably something like the Succubus/Incubus deal. Succubi gets enough seed to then corrupt it and become an Incubus to create a horrible demon baby/corrupt hellspawn child. Which is really more a Fish Out of Water Hell on Earth thing.
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>>78201428
Not sure if it counts but theres a creepypasta called My Best Friend Never Existed where a guy is haunted by a miscarried baby. It takes more an an Anya's Ghost kind of turn though.
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>>78201610
The setting would have to establish Christianity as following a stricter/older denomination, or some fictionalized mashup that allows babydemons, with the ignorance clause some Satanic disinfo (like fossils).
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>>78201428
I don't know of anything that fits those criteria.
The game Dante's Inferno did have a bit in Limbo where you plow through unbaptized children with your scythe, but given its Christian basis, they weren't really demons.

>>78201610
The modern Church's position is indeed that unbaptized innocents can go to heaven, but it's been a topic of some debate over the millennia, with some theologians arguing that they ended up in Limbo (Pope Innocent III, 12th cen, though I don't think he ever called it limbo or made it official church dogma) or even some corner of Hell that might not be as horrible as everywhere else (the opinion of st Augustine, 4th cen).

Even if it's outdated theology, it might still make for an interesting story.
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I'm not dead.
It's probably too late to really fix anything about this page, but I'm pretty sure there are better ways I could have executed it. Ah well, you live and learn and hopefully do better next time.
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>>78198197
I sometimes wonder if he might seem that way, though he's not. He's got some pretty serious flaws, but I haven't explored any of them yet in the narrative, except a vague dream sequence that could have been interpreted in any number of ways.
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>>78202375
I missed you <3

Looks fab~
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>>78202375
Hey Carrions guy! Nice to see you again.
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>>78202561
>I missed you <3
Aw. There's a chance I missed you too, Anonymous.

>Looks fab~
Well, I'm not so much bothered by the art itself as the underlying rhythm/flow and composition, y'know?

>>78202619
Thanks.
I noticed SP had commented over on my comic and I was reminded I hadn't been here for a while. I'd been hoping it might help with my procrastination issues to not lurk here for a while, but I guess it was a pretty silly idea to overcome procrastination by not doing something.
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>>78199595
While not a self insert, isn't SD kinda Gary Stu?
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>>78202954
>I'd been hoping it might help with my procrastination issues to not lurk here for a while
I took the same decision a little while ago
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webcomic:
belongingtonobody.tumblr.com

extra stuff:
dumcasta.tumblr.com
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>>78187034

I did another version of this.

>>78203792

Nice explosions.
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Bump. desu cuck senpai
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Comparison: First concept design sketches (two months ago) and recent ones. I changed a lot. I hope for the better. At this point thanks to you folks for the input you gave so far - I think I worked most stuff in.

General Info: Project's going slower than expected, since I work on so many "construction sites" (visual concepts, worldbuilding, script, etc.) at the moment. My inital plans to start the actual comic in January won't work out. But I'll give my best to not slack around too much.

And sorry all I showed so far are the same two stupid character concepts. I think I'll do some reference sheets and be done with those two rascals for now. Critique and notes, like always, very appreciated.
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Since I need to force myself to draw on the tablet more (at least a bit every day would be the best), I might as well redraw my character sheets so I don't have to open my notebooks turned sketchbooks. Not that it's very important as there's no real model set in stone, as in no exact eye/nose/mouth placement, no exact head shape, everything is drawn in a "yeah, kinda like that" way. Even when I had exact models and proportions, they kept changing, so now I don't bother until I find something to really stick with.

Anyway! This is Anita, the main character. Haughty, self-confident, with a bit of a nasty attitude. After winning every competition in her hometown in her age category, she's allowed by parents to move to a high school in the capital in order to compete with the best youths in the country. How will she manage, coming from a backwater town at the foot of the mountains to the big city full of talented fighters?

I love sports manga, so I simply want to draw my own. Won't be my first attempt, though the said first one was an abomination pacing- and plot-wise. At least I learned something from that, I suppose. I also like drawing girls, no surprise here, so I'm bending the world and the setting to accommodate a fighting sport where women can compete on an equal or higher footing against men (World Trigger is an inspiration). I've got a lot of details to work out though. Anita has big breasts because I like drawing big breasts. I'm still not sure if main characters will be going to high school (17-20 y.o.) or to college (20-24 or so), but I think certain plot points will work better with highschoolers, and it will be closer to my chinese cartoons too, ha ha.

I'll be posting these sheets hopefully everyday until I run out of already designed characters. I posted several images of my concept in these threads over the last two years, maybe it's time to finally get to work. Thanks for reading my blog.

I know the pose is off.
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>>78205525
I envy people who can design nice costumes - not bloated but still cool. I have absolutely no imagination when it comes to that, so I need to stick to normal clothes.

Lucia looked nice in the upper version too, but I think the lower version is generally better. What's the story about?
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>>78205595
She looks kinda like Fujiyama from Fujiyama-san wa Shishunki.
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>>78205652
I envy people who can draw clothes. I've drawn just a lot of porn so clothing isn't common.
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>>78205729
>not drawing dry-humping
Come on, son. Shit's the bestest.
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>>78205735
Kill yourself.

No other solution exists, because he creates problems for himself. I don't know why, he just lives off of conflict. Perhaps his existence is so pathetic that he needs conflict to feel like he's fighting for something? Perhaps his mind requires constant occupation and intellectual sustenance he cannot satisfy it any other way than causing problems which he must solve? Who the fuck knows, but it's clear he isn't happy and will never BE happy.
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>>78205806

What happen?
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>>78205806
Sorry bruh, I posted that in the wrong thread. Solid response though
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>>78204044
Thanks. Wasn't really happy with the way effects turned out on this page, but they'll be better next time.
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>>78205722
Does she? Huh. The height is completely off though.
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>>78205960
That's true, but your anatomy implies a tall height because Anita's head is quite small on her body. Make her head a little bigger so she looks more stubby as short people tend to appear.
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Used to read Sinfest back in 2004ish, stopped around 2006. Read stuff like Exploitation Now as well. Currently reading Kill6Billion Demons and Cucumber Quest, and occasionally Oglaf.

Any suggestions for someone looking for more fantasy stuff, ranging from super serious to lighthearted fun?
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>>78205652
Thanks. Well, it's just trial and error for me when it comes to costume design.

>What's the story about?

tl;dr: The two main characters travel through a wild west fantasy world.

Lucia Domadora is looking for someone. While being chased. By imperial agents. When she arrives in the frontier, Lucia thinks herself save - she was never so wrong! Even here, far away from the Imperial Mainland she got a big bounty on her head. It was naive to think she could get away with stealing a hierotool* from the royal armory. To get through the wild west world she (kinda) needs the help from Jaime, a former mountaineer who now earns his cash with shady activities. (...) I could tell more, but everything else would be spoilers, so I won't. Sorry, I know very well this tells nearly nothing about the actual story.

*What are hierotools?
Hierotools are weapons or gadgets powered/ activated by aeonite - a psychically receptive mineral. (This means it unleashes energy depending on thoughts and emotions.)

Thought I should give out this info since it gives Aeon Frontier it's name.
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>>78206150
Demon's Mirror
Chaos in the Tropics
Para-Ten, if its site was up (which it isn't)
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>>78201428
Sorry man, but that seems pretty edgy. I actually like the idea in a way, but it's edgy. There's no way around that.
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>>78200402
that first one sounds really interesting
i feel like the second one works better if you leave the test thing in the background, as something to notice and as a guideline for uniqueness for each, not as something explained
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>>78201428
Edgy and potentially gay fanbase
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>>78206037
She's less than 7 heads tall in that picture. My anatomy is pretty random though.

>>78206150
Unsounded and Gunnerkrigg Court are always high on my recommendations list.

>>78206292
Sooo it's Trigun except with two constant characters instead of one constant and a few additions? Cool, count me in.
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>>78201428
The problem is that it's needlessly edgy. There have been more than enough "evil" people in the world to fuel a massive army, you don't need to go looking for new sources. Not to mention, greater demons and the likes don't come from man. In Christian mythos, they're angels that broke away from God. Not all fallen angels were "evil", but a good number of them were banished to Hell.
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WIP of the next page!

Guest appearence by Neptunia.
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>>78206737
I've been meaning to ask this for a while - big margins suggest you've switched to Manga Studio, yet panels are still slightly misaligned. How come?
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>>78206781
Well I've actually been using Manga studio again sense chapter 12, and you see, I use the panel too to make the panels, you know, the basic square tool. I try to get them right, but I just can't get it pixel perfect. But it's close enough for me.
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>>78201428
abortion was considered basically the same as infanticide (and wasnt considered that much of a big deal, basically the same as using birth control) for most of history in most cultures, so i don't think anyone has ever found that that much of a deal.. however there are definitely chinese demons that are dead babbys
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>>78206737

Either the couch and Annabeth have to be larger in the first two panels or Jack will have to be smaller. There's no way that girl can reach him in the second panel with the distance he is from the couch.
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>>78201610
don't you just hate when that happens first thing in the morning? poor flamingoes
>the reason most people are here
tru dat. i saw spritecomics and thought 'shit i can draw this by hand and i won't be so limited!'
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>>78205595
I think you're the same tracing guy from yesterday and I still agree with some of the assents there. Your style of face looks really odd compared to everything else. It's kinda like the lazy porn where they put animated characters heads on real bodies.

I guess if you like it, keep on trucking, but you're probably gonna get the same comments forever.
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>>78202032
that's prty edgy. more fun if you make it some world where catholicism sprang up earlier and instead of adapting the various pagan traditions it did, it got the much OLDER stuff. molech and ashtoreth and all those.. wrapped up in it.
also a meta hurrhurr at creationists is going to rankle my stanks, i'd rather you said dinosaurs were demon creations that fought in a big war and got turned to stone skeletons as a result of angel spells
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>>78206932
Didn't Manga Studio have a feature to make panels through division of the drawing field? That would ensure perfect alignment rather than just close enough, but maybe I'm mistaking it different software.
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>>78202375
creepysauce. very nice. the beckoning adds another odd wrinkle
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>>78206986
Alright, I'll make the couch and annabeth larger.
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>>78203655
i mean, he's based on another character who is in-universe a mister perfect that makes his brother jelly, so that's bound to happen innit
>>78203792
loving those missiles. no idea if they would really look like that in space, don't care.
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>>78207125

Okay, just make sure you leave the girl behind the couch the same size.
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>>78207109
That's probably the upgraded version.
>>78203655
He kind of is, but as revealed in chapter 11, everyone (except Angel) is just kind of scared of him and that makes him feel pretty depressed.
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>>78205525
Hmmmm... I think they looked a little better before m8. I love jaime's new boots, a lot, and I see he's now a lefty. always cool. but the way his cape used to have a nice little aegis / poncho look to it really contributed, whereas I've never been nearly as big a fan of duster jackets. and the extra orange makes it one of his primary colors instead of just a 'highlight'
Lucia's new pants and boots and gauntlet are awesome, i wouldnt change a thing, and I love her top. and I guess her sword is more slender now? also cool. but her old goggles, neckscarf, and smaller eyes worked for her I think. just my five cents
oh and I guess it was silly before to have a baldrick UNDER a jacket, but if you're losing the jacket then you can put it back!
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>>78205595
fuck yeah 80s type anime
she has kind of a cute smushed face, which suits her slightly stacked build. I could totally see her being an athlete.. though I feel like she should be a bit taller
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>>78206292
Liking this setting. Good green rocks.
>>78206714
just to nitpick, hell is for people. the fallen angels are here on earth, at least for now. there's a lake of fire later but no indication that's the same place we're going.
of course we're mostly talking catholic stuff here so yeah all bets are off. you can go full dante for a story, it's a lot more interesting than canon
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>>78207289
Or maybe, just maybe, Earth is Hell. Is this edgy enough yet? Did we do it?
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How do we stop Dewd?
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>>78207082
Yep, the same guy. Maybe I'll put back my name with the next picture I post for easier recognition.

So you're saying mangaesque head full of symbols won't work with (somewhat) realistic body unless you alter the latter appropriately too? I've never thought about it before but I do think you're wrong if that's what you're trying to say. I don't have enough experience in art to prove you wrong, but applying those ratios you (?) have been talking about in this and the last thread proportionally in one place to make up for a change in another seems like a logical fallacy. After all the reality is the only true ideal; finding rations in stylized work seems to me nothing more than frantic attempts to fit rules into something that has strayed from them on purpose in the first place. The image in >>78188231 doesn't convince me at all. No offense.
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>>78207456
Murder me irl.
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>>78207210
Which version of Manga Studio are you using? But I don't think use of the Frame* subtool is restricted across Debut and EX, either in MS4 or MS5. It's not the same as the Direct Draw Rectangle tool.

*In MS4 it's called the Panel Ruler Cutter, and has a similar icon to MS5's pic related.
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>>78207456
put up a password he can't spell
that was mean
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>>78207503
what that guy is saying is often true (of other people), but it's a rule you have not broken. your style currently works, and looks like plenty of real manga. not the majority, but plenty, especially in the older days. Nothing clashes. Just keep in mind that if you aren't careful, things might start to clash
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>>78207817
So "you're" then. Because he never fucking spells "you're" correctly, it's always "your" with that hack.
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>>78207866
damn hacks with their learning disorders, why cant they just be normal
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>>78207896
"Being Dewd" is not a learning disorder.
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>>78207503
>My personal opinion doesn't suit your facts, sorry.

You've had multiple people tell you your look works strange for a reason. If you refuse to listen to reason or explanations and insist on doing what you've been doing then that's fine, but acknowledge that it's your own stubborn behavior that keeps you doing it. You're just refusing to take the time to learn.
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>>78208252
>multiple people
samefagging is bad enough, don't selfcite.
face it man, your advice is good but it doesn't apply to this guy, his style is great the way it is. he did listen, he's not being stubborn, so cut the crap
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>>78208461
I'm not the only one that told him his work looked strange. Go look at the last thread. His style looks strange and dated because it is. Quit samefagging to defend yourself, it's pathetic.
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>>78208546

If the artist doesn't want to take the criticism, then just drop it. It's on them to take it and if they don't accept it, don't post a dozen times arguing with them.
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>>78208753
That was the end of it, if he wanted to keep samefagging to try and defend his awkward art style because he thinks only one person finds his work weird then I was going to let him. I just wanted to make it clear that it was his choice to do that.
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>>78208252
I wish I knew if there's more than one person I'm talking about this with.

Let me get this straight: the ratios apply differently in different styles and one feature might correspond with completely different features depending on style we decide to study, so actual application will vary heavily between each artist's work. Not only that, but the ratios are only guidelines rather than rules, meaning it's fine if they don't even align properly with the facial (or whatever is studied) features in a given style.

What I gather from this is that these ratios are nothing more than a puzzle where you take two rectangles and rotate/resize them until they (kind of) fit into something on a studied piece of art or a drawing. It's very convenient, but it's way too vague for me to consider it a "fact".

In the end I'm not buying it at all, unlike a lot of other information and tips from art books and other sources I have more or less incorporated into my drawings. I might be stubborn, sure, but I'm not going to follow something I neither accept nor fully understand. It's possible it's just an issue with communication though; are there any books or publications on this?
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>>78208937

Oh my fucking god, take this to the Batman thread and argue over there.
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>>78208832
what would we do without you telling us what is or isn't our own choice
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>>78209166

Shut up lower caps anon.
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>>78208977
It's not an argument, it's a debate to come to a conclusion. Go bitch somewhere else and let the men talk.

>>78208937
I have a couple pdfs somewhere that I know address it but I'll have to find them. The principle is addressed in this video, where he talks about how when you change or exaggerate one thing you need to do it with another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMUYG1hkY5c

There's a reason for it. In your picture, you gave them larger eyes but the nose and to a lesser degree the mouth stayed the same size, as well as the skull and neck. Because you didn't really change anything else, it looks unnatural. Specifically, it looks unnatural because it doesn't make sense. When you draw something with a style, it helps if the skeleton under it follows rules.

To start, the jaw and cheekbones you drew in the full-body drawing doesn't match the bone structure in the other two. To a certain point this doesn't matter too much, but you've gone past that point.

You made the eyes bigger while keeping the forehead and eyebrows near realistic proportions as well as the nose, so the skull looks very cramped with very little negative space to balance things out. On top of that, you gave her a very masculine neck and masculine trapezius muscles as well as a stocky torso. This probably would have looked feminine in a more realistic drawing, but because you emphasized certain features and didn't change others it looks out of place.

If you're consciously deciding to do something for the sake of style then it's fine. Keep doing what you like and there are bound to be other people that like it. Just don't forget that these are tools to make your work better when you want them.

>>78209166
I'd tell you, but you're not one to listen.
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I'm kind of sad nobody seems to be doing anything special for Christmas other than Dewd and me.

WHERE'S YOUR HOLIDAY SPIRIT GUYS?!

I have a Deviants Christmas image being made as well.
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>>78208937
I posted this
>>78207082

And I don't really care about the ration stuff. I'm just saying as a person with not a lot of knowledge of the technical aspects of art, it looks.. the best way I can describe it, is that you traced the body and drew your own face on. It doesn't fit to me.

So if you drew the body sans ref, well done.

I'll put you on my mental list of people to not comment on anymore.
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>>78209370

Fine, I going to post my Christmas spirit.
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>>78209402
Better not be a euphemism.
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>>78209370
I did one last year for christmas adam! What, I gotta every year?
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>>78209424

Yes, there needs to be a sequel.
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>>78209370
OK, OK. I'll do something when I'm at home from work. And my favorite video game just updated with new content too. Fuck. Oh well.
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>>78209424
Well, Christmas is every year, so...
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>>78209493

You got a good ten days left! You can do it!
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>>78209439
this is already the sequel though
>>78209525
when the comic was daily I did one erry year. in this case, several! i also did special ones for my friends' birthdays if they had a character.
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>>78209542
And today's! I'm glad I took some extra time on this one compared to the previous, but it saddened me to have it come up a day late.
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>>78209493
yeah but it's fucking terrible content
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>>78209550

The Christmas Saga never ends, Cold!
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>>78209564
nice art
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>>78209542
>>78209564

Very nice, reminds me of a shonen manga.
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>>78209570
Fun as fuck to me, anon. L2P.
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>>78209370
I'm currently in the process of drawing a 5 page Christmas strip, which I want to try and get finished so it goes live on Monday (I'm intending for it to be in colour too).

In the meantime, here's last year's Seasonal strip.
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>>78209721

Wait, This is your comic?

I thought you were some Trip-fag anon.
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>>78209721
hooray, christmas rerun time
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>>78209266
Ehh, I don't want to admit it because I see what reactions it brings, but I don't *see* what you're talking about. I mean I understand your words, sentences and the meaning behind them, I just literally don't see it. Seems like I'm stuck in a "it's my animu and it's supposed to look like this" trap, not for the first and not for the last time. I still want to do close to realistic bodies (leaving my skill level aside) and manga-like faces, but I certainly wouldn't mind if the connection looked OK to more people than just me. Do you think trying significantly different approaches and comparing them would help?

And thanks for the video, the step by step illustration helped to get the point across.

>>78209375
Ouch. Thanks for being honest though.

>>78208977
Don't worry, I'm almost finished for today.
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>>78209818
Experimenting always helps, and if you haven't done studies like that before then I highly recommend you try them. Play with things, draw styles you like and styles you don't and try to understand what you like and don't like about them. It gives you a better understanding of exactly what you want.
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>>78209818
I don't see it either, dude. I've seen other people who do exactly what that anon is talking about (lots, actually). I hate it, I'm sick of it. But you're not doing it.
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>>78209748
Por que no los dos?
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>>78209412

Sometime, I am thinking about giving up on making comics and just live a salary-man life.
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>>78210026
Do both. Nothing wrong with having a day job. Reliable income is nice.
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>>78210099
not if the job requires everything you have. which they all do now, because that's the only way to compete in a world where employers can be as picky as they want
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>>78210270
My job doesn't require everything I have. I have plenty of time and energy to work on my comic.
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>>78210486
mazel tov! hope i can get one of those someday
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>>78210563
I also make jack shit.
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>>78210618
okay well that's why the post you replied to was replying to a post about 'reliable income'
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Holy shit. It's happening. I'm actually, definitely going to be able to upload my next page on time.
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>>78210634
It's reliable, and it's enough for me to get by with no problems or having to really squeeze.
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does anyone else have problems drawing backgrounds?

I mean, its not like I didn't watch tutorials or took a look at drawing books but everytime I start, I just feel like, what am I even doing? I feel like I'm drawing every brick on a fucking building or every leaf on a huge ass tree.

I mean its different with drawing characters, every detail is important, the expresion, the gesture, even clothes are part of who the character is but with backgrounds, it feels like they are necessary, this needs to be there and serves no other pupose other than to show, yeah the character is in a physical world and is not standing somewhere in a empty space.

I've tried a lot of things but even with simplifying, denpending on the story, certain elements need to be there, you have literally to fill the whole canvas one ways or another, you can't draw just a tree, you have to draw a jungle and even if it is a simple one, it just never pays off, as you just wasted time drawing a fucking tree.
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>>78210975
yeah you're in good company. i fucking hate backgrounds in real life too
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You know what I want for christmas?

Fan-art and a kiss.
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>>78211544
>implying you were good this year
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>>78211596

Goddamn, You are right.

I got bad comics all this year.
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Meryl Dixon, everybody
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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/135277649485/
I've decided to get my red on
if you slap a red shade layer on a drawing then it makes everything look like the loading screens from wolfenstein:the new order
Anyway, ominous lighting
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How goes it /co/?
Will Draw for Food guy here, I'm sorry I haven't been putting up any new stuff lately.
Fall and Winter just have a way of sapping all the creative energy out of me.

Anyways though, I've been piecing together that Ardras story I've mentioned here once or twice.
Here's the story's map.
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I'll go into the story on my next post, I'd love to get your opinions on it. For now, here's a sketch of the MC. The story is still very loose, and its just stepped out from the brainstorming period.
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>>78211544
What's your comic?
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>>78205525
those characters look...kinda familiar
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>>78212410
Just curious, does anyone still play either? I imagine they were nerfed into oblivion by the time I quit.
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>>78212236

Wait, You going to kiss me and give me fan-art?

That is too lewd anon.
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>>78212524
Last time I played the character who Lucia reminds me of still gets banned often, so it doesn't look like nerfs have hurt her too badly
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>>78212612
Forever broken wings
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Taking forever because I'm working on commissions inbetween.
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>>78212603
We'll see about the fanart. If you want a kiss you better buy me dinner first and wait till the next date.
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>tfw I had everything written out, and I accidentally hit some keystroke and loase half an hours worth of writing.

Short synopsis; a group of travelers strung together by fate, uncover a century old conspiracy and save the world from ultimate destruction.


Our story starts with our main character, a ruffian boy who is forced to work as a bodyguard for a corrupt politician.
On a sea voyage, the main character meets a mysterious young girl with an even more mysterious necklace, and an eccentric old scholar of a mysterious race, who are both being illegally transported as slaves.

The captain of the ship (a member of a shifty lizard-like race) reveals himself to be a pirate, and he and his crew make a move to ransom the politician. In the middle of the pirate crew and the bodyguards clashing, the ship is overtaken by a storm, and capsizes.

Our main character awakes to find himself on the beach with the mysterious girl, the old scholar, and the pirate captain. Our main character makes quick work of the surprisingly spineless captain, forcing him to guide them to the nearest town

Meanwhile, the politician finds himself wandering alone on the beach, having a hold of the mysterious necklace the girl was wearing. As he makes his way towards civilization, the necklace slowly starts to drive him mad with power.

Later, the crew finds a shifty tavern wherein the pirate captain is greeted by some bad people who he owes a great deal of money. Just as fighting ensues, the politician makes his appearance, having now been transformed into a malicious beast driven by a desire for power.
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A fight ensues, and the crew manage to take him down. However, the people the pirate captain owes money to make off with the necklace, leading into a chase across the desert badlands, rife with thieves, bandits, bounty hunters, and desert monsters.

After a long journey, the group finds that the necklace has found itself in the hands of the richest merchant in the city of Goldhaven, who runs a palace made entirely of gold and treasure. Inside, the merchant prince, Au Shah, the Magnificient has been transformed into an evil grotesque monster, driven by greed.

After a lengthy fight, the main character and his allies have finally gotten ahold of the necklace. Only to be swiftly interrupted when two mysterious warriors, one made from black coal and the other of pure white marble, enter the room, demanding the necklace, as it is an artifact that will end a century long war between their two nations.

END ACT I

I'd love to hear your thoughts or questions on this!
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Lizard-person examples
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Lizard people bounty hunters
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>>78209370
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/e996dc172a91b7a9c4c709a6ae127777
I'm making an animation
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>>78209370
Eh, I might go on and make that comic about how the first Christmas almost didn't happen.
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ENTER ACT II

The main character and his allies somehow manage to defeat the two warriors, despite being exhausted from the previous fight. The two warriors explain themselves.

The black coal warrior is from a race of creatures, who until recently, had lived underground, unknown to the rest of the world. The white marble warrior is from a race of people who live in the region where the coal race had surfaced, his people have been forced out by the other race.

The main reason for this war, was for the coal race to fulfill a prophecy set out by their unknown god to "turn the white stone black," naturally the white marble of the opposing race was the first thing they went for, and they proceeded to burn and char the region and its people.

The two warriors explain the importance of the necklace, whose centerpiece is a mysterious white stone. And its connection to the prophecy.

The girl decides that if her necklace can be used for good, then it is her responsibility to bring about peace.

The group travels across the world to the war torn regions of Xervanos and Fervor, all the while being chased by bounty hunters, bandits, and a mysterious group knwon as Xu.

Xu is an organization of the coal people whose objective is to bring the artifact of the white stone to the leaders of Xervanos to fulfill the prophecy. It is largely composed of members who are in it for their own personal gain.

As the group travels along, they uncover each individuals past.
The main character grew up on the streets after his parents were put to death for treason against the country. The mysterious girl does not have many memories of her past, only small inklings and many dark places, yet despite this maintains a cheerful disposition.
The scholar reveals he was once a high standing official in the region of Fayearth, but he had been exiled from his country under false pretenses by a colleague he once saw as a mentor.
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The pirate captain also grew up alone, and tried to strike it rich, only to end up in tons of debt, so he turned to a life of pirating. As for the marble warrior, he was born into a proud line of warriors and his mothers side was superb in the arts. As for the coal warrior, he is reluctant to tell about his past.

Our group finally makes it to the war fields of Fervor and Xervanos, where they interrupt a major battle. They are set upon by both sides and must fight both armies.

In the midst of the battle, they are betrayed by the coal warrior, who was a part of Xu the whole time. The group is arrested and taken away by the Xervanos army.

The necklace is used in a ritual to revive the Dark God, a god representative of the Xervanos people (each race in this world is represented by a god, as the Xervanos is a newly borne race, they have no god of their own, until now)

The group escapes prison, and are joined by the coal warrior, after realizing the wrongs he had wrought. The group commences battle with this newly borne god, in an ultimately climatic fight.

It is at this point, our true antagonist is revealed. The god is defeated and sent back into obscurity, and from among the ashes steps forth the colleague of the old scholar, the one who had exiled him.

The colleague, who had been gifted with god like powers, reveals that he had been acting as an agent of an entity older than time itself. In this world, the world is run by twelve gods, and it is generally believed they are the crafters of the world.

However, unknown to the world, the twelve gods were originally mortal, and had been granted power by a single entity, the true god of the world. Fearing that the power they were granted could be taken away, the twelve gods locked the first god away for eternity.
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Using the colleague as his agent, the colleague crafted the coal like race of people himself, and created the prophecy for the sole purpose of acquiring the necklace, which was in truth, the key to releasing the First God from his prison, and the girl as his vessel.

In one move, he wipes out the entire race of Xervanos, as they had served their purpose.

END ACT II
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Has anyone here got any savvy with Tapastic?
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As for the final act, I feel like its still kind of bare.

Essentially what happens is they travel to the far north, to speak with one of the twelve gods, the only one who decided to maintain his mortal form, and live atop the highest mountain in the world.

To do this, they must make it through a frozen region filled with barbarians and monsters (pretty much Skyrim)

After they meet with the god, he reveals to them the true beginnings of the world, and how he and his comrades overthrew the First God.

However, the colleague of the scholar character appears, who declares he needs the power of the twelve gods to bring the True God back into the world, and turns the mortalized god into his puppet. A climatic fight ensues, and with the last of its strength, the god sends the group to the Essebu capital (the Essebu are the race that the scholar and the main antagonist are of)

There they reveal the plans of the evil Essebu to the Essebu Council, the ruling party of the Essebu people and a collection of the most powerful mages in the world.

The end comes when, in an attempt to stop the antagonist, the Essebu Council themselves are turned and are forced to fight our heroes. After a long and arduous fight, our heroes come out victorious. The antagonist steals away the mysterious girl and makes his way into a pocket dimension to use her to summon the First God

The defeated Essebu Council use the last of their strength to tear open a portal after them.
Our heroes go after the antagonist and defeat him, but not in time!
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The First God has been summoned, using the girl as his vessel, and he plans to destroy the world he felt he so foolishly created and start it anew. With the fate of the world in the balance, our heroes fight an epic battle tearing the pocket dimension to shreds.

The First God is too much for them, and seems to have defeated them in battle. As all hope seems lost, but then the girl overpowers the First God with her overwhelming desire for peace in the world.

The story ends with the girl ascending to godhood and ruling over a world of peace and prosperity.

END STORY

Please let me know what you guys think. This is just a hashed out version, and if you have any questions or think anything is missing, I'd be happy to answer your questions.
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>>78214067
Never buy a house on rented land.
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>>78214178
Que?
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>>78214300
Never buy a house on rented land.
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>>78214300
He means get your own website.
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>>78214330
Que?
>>78214481
Well, I have one. And I've been recommended to repost my work there too so that a wider audience might find it.

If I've got two posters saying "Don't do that. At all. You must never do that." you've piqued my interests in the alternatives you know of.
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I've been playing around with this idea in my head for a while, and I want some second opinions.

I don't know if it's going to be a webcomic or a comic I actually try to get published. Either way, it'll be a while before I get to it. Since I'm already writing one webcomic, and starting another one after that.

So, basically in the world, magic does exist. But, it's been 'locked' away for so long that it's become a fairy tale. Kind of like the real world. The story is set in a medieval-ish time period in a made up country.

Throughout the world, there are giant stone statues depicting giant monsters and beings. They've been there so long that no one really knows where they came from. Most people don't give them too much attention, but there's a small group of people who worship them. They think the statues were the 'Gods of the Ancient World'.

That's pretty much the general setting and backstory.

The main character is a young prince. He's sent on a strange mission by a spirit that visits him in the middle of the night. It guides him to a large room deep under the castle. Without going into too much detail, he gets a little magic power in this room. Then, the spirit guides him to one of the stone statues, and tells him he has the power to awaken the beings inside.

When he awakens the first being, the statue shoots a beam of light into the sky and alerts the whole kingdom. The prince has to go on the run, and goes on a mission to free all of the imprisoned beings.

Eventually his older brother and some girl become his companions on the mission. Every time he frees a being, a marking shows up on his arm, and his magic gets a little stronger.
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>>78211544
that'd be nice
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>>78214686
Why does he have to go on the run? If no one knows what the statues do, then why do they know what the light is?
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>>78212122
yeah you seem like the kind who might get SAD.
the what story youve mentioned? i don't remember..
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>>78214744
There's nefarious stuff going on with the people in charge of the kingdom.
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>>78214748
It's all good man, Its a story based in this fantasy world I've crafted. I've mentioned it a few times in these threads.

Anyways, I wouldn't get upset about criticism if I'm straight out asking for some feedback.
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>>78206150

Rice Boy is great especially if you like surreal stuff. If you don't, you might like Vattu more.
Judecca is good too.
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>>78214748
Oh wait, you mean, S.A.D.? Seasonal Affective Depression?

Yeah, I think I may have it, I've never gotten it diagnosed, but I try not to let it stop me.
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>>78209583
>>78209612
Thanks! Glad I'm getting better in that aspect. I've intended to use several things in this particular chapter as a way to sorta make fun of some of those conventions, so it's good to know it's reading decently on it's own merits. Hell, my favorite comic series is One Piece!
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>>78214555
The alternative is to have your own site. Period. Don't buy a house on rented land.
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>>78212976
god i hate that. fuckin 4chan

this sounds good. it's a mix of cliches and notcliches. Put some nice atmosphere into it and you got an intriguing intro at least.
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>>78213203
>>78213213
>>78213220
Oof... i'm not super into these designs though. they look like a lot of random shapes.

>>78213340
Small One spooks and kicks Mary in the stomach? Now THAT'S edgy!
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>>78213709
I remember someone posting a comic with eyeless owl people... and the question of how they could be astronomers.. that wasn't you was it?
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>>78214784
That... doesn't answer anything.

The setting is fine, but you need to flesh things out. It's the execution that really makes it.
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>>78214928
You're not understanding the conversation.
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>>78214686
I feel like there's too much here and not enough at the same time.. But I like the idea of, rather than just 'magic came back', the hero is actually trying to bring it back. Like the time period is kinda like the beginning of the renaissance, and they sorta take shit in a new direction instead?
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>>78210975
Mind posting some of your work? I feel it may sorta depend on what style you utilize too, although with mine I have simple cartoony characters over backgrounds that I try to make more detailed and intricate (could also be due to me loving BONE).

If you're drawing a tree or something for instance, I'd say to let yourself think of where the light source is roughly and add more detail in the opposite direction to reflect that (here's an example from a tree in one of my comics, actually). A decent amount of detail but still a clear sense of the light source, obviously you'd do more or less on detail depending on what you want to achieve in your style though!

Try to look closer on comics you really like to study the things most readers don't consciously register. I'm still working on this myself and it leads to me spending more time on a page of comics than most people.

Also, how much do you know about composition and perspective? Not knowing nearly as much as I should has caused me to hit walls and spend too long on certain pages, that may be the case with you as well.
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>>78215038
Yes, I am. You want to split your readership for some stupid reason, and I'm telling you it's stupid.

This isn't the Skype group, you can't shut me out for not being nice about it.
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>>78215084
>split your readership
How do you imagine that works? Explain it in depth.

>This isn't the Skype group, you can't shut me out for not being nice about it.
This is all true, and an excellent point.

But I'm not sure why you're bringing it up with me specifically!
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>>78215139
Because you're the main one who pulls that shit in Skype.
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>>78215163
>>78215139

OH MY GOD! Just kiss already!
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>>78215038

I think what they mean is that you shouldn't split your readership. It's good to reach out on different platforms but your comic should be in one place where you have all the control (and ad revenue).

I've found comics on taptastic but only because the writers/artists advertised on other platforms like tumblr and twitter. It would make more sense to promote yourself on those sites and just direct new readers to your own website.
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>>78215017
I actually do have an idea for that part, I just think it's kind of spoilery. It might not end up being the final idea, so I'll just write it out anyways.

The prince's great, great, great Grandfather was alive when magic was still used. He lead a campaign to lock away all of the giant beings, and succeeded. Magic at that time was a very privileged ability. The average person couldn't just go around using it. So, it made it easy for the Grandfather to take magic away and 'lock' it up. Since then, he entrusted the responsibility of keeping the beings locked away to his children, and eventually their children, and so on.

I kind of like this idea because I think it makes the conflict a little more personal for the prince.

>>78215076
>I feel like there's too much here and not enough at the same time..
Yeah, it's really just a general idea, with a few specific ideas right now. I try to make time to work on it when I can. When I'm not working on the two aforementioned webcomics in my first post.
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>>78215289
Okay, but don't you think that's still kind of weird? You said the main character was a prince, so shouldn't he know about all this? And what does he have to gain from unlocking the beings? Or why would he? Were they actually peaceful or something?

It just seems like you picked a story formula and then started trying to press things into it.
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>>78215289
>>78215338

Or wait, the beings are synonymous with magic? So if the beings are locked up then magic is locked up and no one can use it?

Maybe I'm just not understanding.
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>>78215338
>so shouldn't he know about all this?
He's a young prince, and he has an older brother who's set to be king. So, he probably would never have become king anyways. There's really just a small inner circle of people who have access to the information.

Either way, they aren't told that young. Kids have loud mouths.

>And what does he have to gain from unlocking the beings? Or why would he?
He's mainly doing it because they're imprisoned and doesn't think it's right.

>>78215360
Or wait, the beings are synonymous with magic?
They're basically just giant creatures. I wouldn't say monsters. Think Shadow of the Colossus type beings.

Magic is locked/ hidden away so no one has the power to free them.
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>>78212603

Fuck this guy >>78212757, I'll give you fanart, kiss you, take YOU out for dinner, then gently rim your sweet tight butthole. Simultaneously.
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>>78214935
Thanks my man!
It's inspired a lot by games like Final Fantasy, but has an Elder Scrolls touch to it.

I do like certain tropes, but I want to make something that's different. I appreciate the feedback.
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>>78215163
There were 3 moderators originally.

The one who created the chat, making him the one able to make other mods.

And the people he chose were me and Chickenscratch. The original creator left, taking the promotion power with him. Chickenscratch has been away for a long time now. At one point he was in a car accident even. Now, I don't even know.

If I left the chat, or never used my power again, there would be no one there managing it. 50+ people, without a way to govern anything that ever goes wrong. For the most part I take a very hands-off approach to moderating the chat. Anyone can add. Only I can kick. But anyone who is afraid of me because I might kick them just because I can, has not been paying enough attention; Maybe they've only been there for like a couple weeks and believe all the rumors from posts in the threads like these. You never really know. You certainly don't help, but I understand the thrill of starting rumors about "the other." I'm not upset, I'm just providing context here.

Some guy. With some out-of-the-freaking-sky diatribe about "sandniggers." He's unreasonable and it's not fair to keep that buck. The solution is simple. Kick him. And thank GOSH there's someone who can, because lacking that, you have to rely on the nebulous sense of decency.

Anyone who becomes the sole boss of anything, by any circumstance, is going to get this drama tacked to them like a lamprey. Very simple explanation for it: https://youtu.be/uqNozJpctNo?t=1m55s Of course, I'd rather it not be me. Who needs to get randomly attacked for something like this every day? I'd have passed the mod powers on to someone else if I could, but Skype sucks a fatty and never thought of my situation! But I'd gladly take a little drama, than people having to endure more of that 'sandnigger guy' and people like him.

I'll be screencapping this post. Expect it to be the only response in the future. For you. For anyone.
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>>78215631
chimblescrumbles is still drawing at least
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>>78215220
Well those sites you're speaking of. What are their names? Are they effective?
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>>78215631
Oh what, it's my fault? It said "Sandn_ggers" how was I supposed to know the answer was Sandnaggers?
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I can't seem to shut up about this book.

http://ennuigo.smackjeeves.com/
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>>78216029
She could use a wider range of expressions.
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>>78216029
Fucking magical flipping hair. How does her hair work? god damn it.

I going to draw porn(s) of her, nasty kind
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>>78214987
Hm, well I'm definitely open to any suggestions

>>78215014
Yes, that was indeed me. I've decided to take a different route, they are eyeless still, but they're more gifted in magic than other races, they're an ancient race whose lives far out span that of humans, living anywhere between 800-1000 years.
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>>78216029
>she
uh
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>>78216296
i've been saying since I started reading she should have a hairbit on each side, like she did in the earliest comic(s?). much nicer looking that way.
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>>78193133
Started with a fascination for anime and manga that was originally a love for Pokemon, Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon, and eventually InuYasha.
Fast forward to high school, I was full on weeaboo, Naruto headbands, GaiaOnline threads, and you guessed it, my very own crappy DeviantArt comic.

Over time in high school, I learned that my desires to create manga would never be a success in Japan based on the soul fact that I was not Japanese. Of course, I was already known throughout school as "the guy who draws anime" so I couldn't just stop. I drew to escape from home life issues.

Graduated high school with no other skills than drawing, which even then wasn't good by professional standards, but I was 18 and suffered from "special snowflake-itus." Moved out, got my own place, started drawing for 4chan, /co/, /ic/, /Drawchan/, and came to realize how terrible I actually was.

Started practicing on my own, went to community college and got a degree in Studio Art, developed basic drawing skills, improved some. Most important thing that happened in college was I made a lot of connections with people who believed I can draw. Read a lot of Scott McCloud and Will Eisner's work on comic theory, became a scholar in a field with very few other contemporaries.

Now I'm very well known as a professional in comic theory in my county, started a comics business with my other associates, still working on improving my drawing.

I've been doing this for the past 6 years and it's all I know, and I'd be very scared to NOT do it. I sometimes feel like I've trapped myself because if I dont keep moving forward there is nothing there behind me to keep me going.
Please help me
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>>78216324
I mean.. how do you construct these? how do you decide where to place features? if you're just doing your thing, go ahead, but it's not pleasant to me. and i vaguely recall your old art looking a little better.
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>>78216679
sounds like youre helping your own self, my good man. aside from living in what i assume is a shitty country. (you did mean country, right?)
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Welp, managed to make the Xmas Omake, new strip soon, I guess.
Irene is from Spain, so it's natural she speaks in Spanish :^)

Still not done with the current strip which already got more delayed than Mighty Blunder 9...

>>78216262
That was what was bugging me whenever I see updates! I know it's really good looking, but something clicked in me and couldn't get what was it.
Allow me to second on that.

>>78210975
Thought pic related is not proof of that, I love doing backgrounds, unless they're natural landscapes.
I love making buildings, furniture, home devices, and whatnot, but don't ask me a mountain with a waterfall and a forest because I hate doing those.

>>78209424
Finally caught up to date, and after making two fanarts of side characters and the first one of Sasha, I'm willing to say that Sasha has left the throne for me. She's still a great character, but not as endearing as others are now to me.

It's incredible how much the powerchart changed for me after the time skip.
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>>78216705
it's okay, santa claus speaks the language of children! orgy porgy dorgy doo!
heh this is cute
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>>78216704
Oh no no, I mean county, as in a section of a state, (in the United States).
I'm not so well known yet that I'm known on a national level, not yet at least.
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>>78216705
That's awesome to hear! all of it!
'Zat right? Yeah Sasha rarely does anything anymore. desu I never understood how to write her. She was originally going to be kind of another scrappy kid, then I remembered her brother was a grown-ass adult at 11 so she would be too.. which gave them another sensible adult, except one divorced from polite society, so she's just totally chill. I wanted her to keep doing animal-y stuff like sniffing people and invading their personal space, but I forgot, and Fenrir kinda took care of that. and in battle she was just melee so she had little to do sometimes, I had to write myself notes like "give the giant monster some minions for Sasha and Fenrir to fight". Once I gave her the silk scarves she had something a little more unique.. and soon after the timeskip she had the diablopilo, so that's cool
what I should really probably address is that now that she's pushing 19 she's gotta be past her prime at her aging speed. But how do you write an over the hill werewolf?
Anyway neat to hear you've got an internal powerchart. shit like that pleases me to no end. i CAN say that at the very fucking end i am giving her a super secret awesome upgrade, but there won't be time to enjoy it. that'll be pure fanart fuel. and i have no fucking idea where her future is going or who she's going to end up with or anything.
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>>78216688
>>78216688
This is actually my older art, but only about a year old.
I feel what I'm going for is a bit of an irregular head shape, to distinguish them as none human.
The one particular one I think was an experiment in free drawing, I don't think I did any underlying construction on that one, nor the female one.
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>>78216821
Pre-TS:
Sasha>Riven>Robin>Fenrir>Hel>Ribbon>Kaen>Kimchi>Mizu

Post-TS:
Hel>Kaen>Kimchi>Robin>Sasha>Mizu>Riven

Fenrir ;_;7
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>>78216789
I have never heard of a person who was known in their county
or anything related to any county other than law enforcement or food stamps
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>>78216823
well feel free to start with weird random shapes but then I think you should refine them a bit so they make some sense
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How do you know if your comic is actually shit or it's just assholes trolling?
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>>78217142
You gotta find a way to zen out, and see your work with fresh eyes.
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>>78217142
In here or where you host it?
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>>78216878
iiinteresting. I can see Kimchi and Robin climbing, but I wonder what Kaen did to deserve any of that. I almost never remember to have him use his mace, and I'm only scratching the surface of giving him a personality (goofy dad works)
I'm also curious how Riven slid so far. Buuut it's not a contest I suppose.
I was gonna attach an image of her huddling all defeatedly in her poncho, something I thought I had done as a running gag, but I just looked, and... I never did it? in fact I only had her use the hood once? what the fuck. how do memory so bad of own work
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>>78217099
I guess it's really more how I'm scaling things. I teach comic theory, but I've only taught in areas inside my county. Local art societies, some schools, and even a life skill learning program with the same college I graduated.
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>>78217227
It's not that they've gotten bad, but that the others became more relevant in my eyes. Kaen is the father figure of the group, and he does a good job IMO, so he gained points in my book. Mizu would too if he took her role as the mother, but she never does, but I like her post-TS looks the better.
Riven... I dunno, she went from being the gadget-magical-elemental girl to fat jokes and ponchos. It's not bad, it's just not for me I guess.
Kimchi and Hel went really uphill for me, mostly due to their shenanigans. I wasn't fond of them pre-TS, but they grew on me, and now both are really fun to read.
Robin got better to me because now seems like she has a role, that it's not exposition.
I think you're making normal sized now, which is better than *smol fehry*
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>>78217258
that's awesome dude. you're givin' back
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>>78203792
my nigga, you spelled reacquired wrong
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>>78198197
Just an autistic reminder that Mary Sues are defined by the character's relationship with the narrative and has nothing to do with abilities or backgrounds.
If your story exists only to glorify your character, you have a Mary Sue.
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>>78217328
yeah Mizu has had a lot less mom-ing to do since the kids grew up. Seems like it was just yesterday I was unintentionally ripping off the 3rd Sailormoon movie by having a pied piper hypnotize all the kids and the adults having to spank them to snap them out of it and then remark on how bizarre that is
for some reason I just wanted Riv to seem more vulnerable. She was a bit of a scaredycat before, with some slight identity issues being a Merculatto, which she worked through.. and then I thought it'd be cute if the brainy one was kinda chubs. but then I just dropped that when she got back into shape and now she's merely the curviest.. so yeah I guess there's less for her to do now other than just be smrt
and yeah god Ribbon was so superfluous but I never minded since she was easy to add to a scene and had her own unique word bubbles.. but having a smart one and a magic one on the team fills her role entirely. In case you were confused, Ribbon was a proper fairy, hence tiny, and Robin's only half fairy so she's just humansized with wings. and if I remembered, she'd always be turning into various random shit or changing size for fun.. but I never remember.
god damn i love talking about my own shit thank you
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>>78217370
i am genuinely embarrassed that slipped by me. usually i proofread errything in these threads and catch everyone's mistakes before anyone else.
>>78217423
indeed, though having an overdramatic background and an overabundance of abilities is a SYMPTOM of having joseph's-dream-syndrome as it were.
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>>78217203
does it make a difference?
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>>78217453
Well, in here, getting shit is kind of a given, if that's what you ask, anything that just says it's shit and offers no explanation is not worth considering.
I got pretty much unscathed in here, most people who criticised my work took the bother to put their own input on what they didn't like, and I took those I could work on, and got on with it, because most of them were art related.

This is last year Xmas extra, I'm sure I started to show my stuff here around this time.
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>>78193133
Pretty much the only thing I've ever got praise for was sculpting and making comics.
There's also how webcomics are edition-free. Not that I resent editors, but I despise the idea of content policing like a motherfucker and don't even want to risk it by going out and looking for connections. If I go full /pol/ I don't want to be stopped unless it harms the story.
Though were I live you can get away with doing pretty much anything if you build up the reputation.

>>78217446
>joseph's-dream-syndrome
What does that mean?
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>>78217675
It means he likes making shit up to make it seem like he knows what he's talking about.
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>>78217618
yeah I like how you kept doing your own thing and your art just.. got better
>>78217675
you i like
uh, I was just trying to come up with an alternative to mary sue, a term my mouth doesn't like the taste of. I thought from context..
yknow because joseph told his brothers about how he had this recurring dream that all the celestial objects and breakfast cereals kept bowing down to him, and every time he told them out of sheer 'hey isnt this interesting?' they kept grumbling all 'yeah we get it, god thinks you're hot shit and he's giving you special dreams. or else YOU think you are, and you're telling us this as a taunt' to the point that they eventually wanted to murder the bastard and only cut it back to selling him into slavery and FAKING his death at the last minute
because that's how mary sue stories make people feel
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>>78217739
>>78217675
er, and the point is, rightly like you said, it's not being awesome that makes you a mary sue, it's being a mary sue that makes you awesome. so you'll fit the story. the story about everyone and everything in the story kissing your character's ass.
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>>78217739
>>78217756
Well, when the ending of Chaos;Head is literally about your character you should know you did something very wrong.
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"She has an unusual and dramatic Back Story. The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their True Companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal. She has some sort of especially close relationship to the author's favorite canon character — their love interest, illegitimate child, never-before-mentioned sister, etc. Other than that, the canon characters are quickly reduced to awestruck cheerleaders, watching from the sidelines as Mary Sue outstrips them in their areas of expertise and solves problems that have stymied them for the entire series."

This is talking about the fanfic version, but it's the same deal. If your character isn't your masturbatory self-insert that solves every problem by just being awesome, you probably don't have anything to worry about. And even if they do, it might not be a bad thing. Just look at Samurai Jack, he's basically a Mary Sue character and people love the fucking guy.

It's all about how it's executed.
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I probably talked about this in a previous webcomic thread, but I once had the idea for a comic about two news reporters [one was the actual reporter, the other the cameraman], who would always try to get the inside scoop on the insanely bizarre happen stances that occurred in the city they reported in [and sometimes outside of], but more often than not their own lack of hindsight would get them involved in said event.
The comic would be over the top at times, self aware, or even parody some things [Actually, fun fact: This idea started as a Rec parody]. Sometimes, a huge thing would happen that wouldn't carry over to the next 'arc', ie: the entire city is destroyed but is fine the next arc, etc etc.

The name was Live!, but if I ever redid it, I'd call it "Coming to you, Live!" cause, I dunno. Or "Live from Channel 13", or something. The characters were Steve and Tamara [respectively].

I tried it once, LONG ago, in highschool but it didnt ever go anywhere due to me not liking how I was starting it, so I stopped it and said "Ill do a restart!"... and I never did. I sometimes still draw them, and I've debated going back.

They are animals cause I am terrible at drawing people, originally it wouldn't have much animal people humor, but I may add some if I ever do a reboot of it.

I dunno, what do you think? Also I just drew this picture of them because I haven't drawn them in literally years.
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Which do you guys prefer?

This is for the spirit journey story I posted a while back. The spirits and creatures in the forest are going to based mostly on Eastern mythology.

So, I figured I'd change the protagonist to an Asian girl. This is a shitty quick sketch, she'll look more Asian when I draw her again.
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>>78218392
The one on the left is more interesting and drawn better.
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>>78218392
I like how you drew the first one, since it feels a b it more natural, especially on the arms. At least, style wise.
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>>78218392
I like everything about right but the face. Eyes on right are cool. I'd go with left's everything and right's eyes because of the spirit theme but it's your call.
Kurokeisin is one of my favorite pixivfags and I've spent an evening scouring /tv/ so maybe I'm biased.
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page 84!
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>>78218533
It wasn't that bad until they turned to the front. Nothing amazing before then, but the last panel could be fixed. ITs just a bit awkward.
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>>78218392
Keep the baggie pants from the color version. Size up the head to you get more detail as a plus.
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>>78218653
What are you talking about?
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I can't believe I managed to sit down and finish this strip once and for all!
Changing the playlist helped me a lot.

But I'm still behind schedule, so I will be working on the next one.

As always, any feedback will be appreciated.
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>>78218783
They like it when the characters are in profile, not when they are facing the fourth wall.
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>>78218829
They who?
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Anyone?

>>78215890
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>>78212410
>>78212524
Damn, did I subconciously copy some game characters? May you tell me what game you talk about? (My guess is LoL/ Dota? They have so many characters that a look-alike could happen.)
Also - are the upper or lower versions look-alikes? (Geez, now you triggered my paranoia)

>>78207226
Thanks for your input!
Lucia will keep her goggles and she also has a poncho, that's why she won't have goggles, scarf or jacket in this version. I decided for Jaime, however, to give him a jacket, since Lucia and the chapter one villain will wear ponchos and I didn't want all three main characters to wear ponchos in chapter one, if that makes sense. It also fits Jaime's rogue like personality more, I guess. But I'll consider toning the orange down and giving Lucia smaller eyes is probably not a bad idea - going too much into anime here, haha!

>>78206706
Trigun's a fair comparison, I guess.
(The western elements in AF are less prominent then in Trigun though)

>>78207289
Thanks!
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>>78218947
Not the one who started the topic, but I think the guy was referring to sites like Smack Jeeves, Taptastic, Comic Genesis or others.

I used to update my comic in long gone MangaMagazine/InkBlazers besides Smackjeeves, and splitting the audience wasn't good for me, overall watches increased but comments decreased a lot.

Now I have Smackjeeves and my own website that I barely update, but once the new website is up to date, I'm planning on leaving SJ behind and ultimately keep everything on my own website.
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>>78218991
Isn't Smackjeeves also a format..? I'm confused how it works.
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>>78219085
All the sites I mentioned are free hosting sites for webcomics, not sure if that's what you mean by format.
The reason I originally picked SJ was because they let you customize the whole website, which is great, but non users still see ads among other things.
I'm yet to check out Taptastic, but I'm not sure I want to try another site.

SJ works pretty much like Deviant Art, but only optimized for webcomics. They have a "central Hub" shall we say were you can see latest updates or most popular webcomics, and you can check out profiles for webcomics and authors.

The biggest difference is that you follow works and not authors. It also allows a webcomic to have more than one author, which means groups of artists have an easier time managing the webcomic itself.
It has premium features, and they're not expensive, but ultimately it doesn't do that much for you.
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>>78218956
>Damn, did I subconciously copy some game characters?
Nah, don't worry about it, I only caught the comparison 'cause Anon mentioned it. Girl has the same haircut as Riven who's a pretty generic girl with a big sword and a gauntlet
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>>78218956
The other guy draws on the "Gambit type guy who weaponizes cards", which incidentally is the case with Twisted Fate.

They are both pretty common concepts, you're not ripping off anyone.
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>>78218462
Why do you like the left better? I don't dislike it just because I'm working on a new design. I'm just curious.

Also, the right could be drawn better. I just had to go do something, so I sketched it up really quick. I'll post an actual drawing later.

>>78218463
Thanks

>>78218485
So, you think the left is good except the eyes?

>I'd go with left's everything and right's eyes because of the spirit theme
What do you mean by this?

>>78218667
I like the baggy pants too. I don't know about sizing up her head though. It would look disproportionate.
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>>78219309
>>78219329
So I was right with League? Nice. (And thanks!)

But yeah, this doesn't make me worry. Phew! I would've changed the designs if they were too close to something existing. Speaking of which...

... did anyone here happened to have the same "problem"? Where ppl point out - damn - this looks like x/y?
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>>78219409
The right is aesthetically more appealing. The silhouette is more interesting, and the design works well with the color palette.
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>>78219423
I think bones once accused me of ripping off a character from FLCL, which was super funny because in the very same thread I said that character was designed after Android 18.

I don't get much of that because I normally use modern, urban settings, so I use common clothing you could see anywhere, nothing so characteristic.

I did used designs in previous works based on vidya characters, but I made sure to let everyone know... even though most of them were really obvious like pic related.

Man, seeing it now, it's really embarrassing. If I ever re-do this story, I may do a few more changes on him.
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>>78219423
In most cases it's just deviantart autists that think every character with 'x' hair color must be the same character as 'y'. But really, both of those look a lot like TF and Riven. You might want to be careful about that.
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Hey guys, I'm working on a thing with vampires. Can't come to terms with the noses. It should be a serious setting but when I stylize the vampire bat noses they come out more like pig snouts. I kind of like how it looks but is that too goofy or un-vampiresque?
Don't mind the shitty drawing.
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>>78219781
It's important to recall that vampires, first and foremost have been allegories for plutocrats. The super rich.

People who look like us to every important degree, but see us as cattle.

Any story with the vampires as the cool good guys is doing it wrong.
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>>78218377
I love the idea of a comic about reporters dealing with bizarre things. There's a reason clark kent works at the daily planet after all.
I'd call it "this just in" or "we interrupt this webcomic"
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>>78218392
oh i remember this. to me the spirits always came off vaguely totemic and the sorts of things you'd expect in either native america or southeast asia/pacific islands, so I thought she looked relatively fine for that, teal eyes aside. but sure, why not?
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>>78218956
jaime's old cape was technically still a cape though.. but i get you, diversity in outfits is important. and now that you've brought up trigun, i remember how cool coats can look
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>>78219309
I keep forgetting that name existed before I used it. Always hits me weirdly. I named her after the username of a girl I had a crush on
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>>78219423
I haven't had that problem, but there are characters who are intentional homages/cliches, and I said as much in their cast page.
Hell, the guy-who-isn't-Link and the guy-who-isn't-Ness are both specifically their smash bros equivalents, being that the former at first had no sheath and ran around sword-out all the time, and the latter had his alternate color scheme and a lot of floating and electric attacks
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>>78219869
Yeah the beast-vs-man conflict got tired right after Interview With the Vampire. This is going to be a grey morality backstabby drama in a gothic fantasy setting a-la Legacy of Kain, there are no significant human characters so I can take liberties with the aesthetics.
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>>78219781
Better to make them a narrow pointy nose that is only slightly upturned. But keep in mind there are more kinds of bats than just leaf-nosed bats. Look at this little fucker.. he's got more of a pug-nose
>>78219869
interesting theory.. I wonder if that holds up to the older myths or only the modern count dracula / lady bathory types.. because older vampires seem to just be a mass of mental disorders and aversions to things known to be healthy (silver is antimicrobial it turns out, as is garlic, and of course running water's gonna be less scummy).. or else related in some way to corpses (especially chinese vampires) being that they lack essential elements of life and try to regain them from the living
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>>78219781
Have you tried making it heart-shaped instead?
That nose really doesn't make me think "bat" at present.

>>78219869
That seems like an overly narrow view. Vampires work just as well with themes of rape, addiction, disease and a host of other things as they do with upper class exploitation.
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>>78220027
From what I've understood that's a baby vampire bat, and the nose gets more creases as it becomes adult. I think more complicated designs don't work so I'll have to boil it down to something like that. Also I'm not sure if to give them black beads for eyes or go with a more expressive cat-like thing that's still predatory but with a bit of range. I need to have them act a little bit.

>>78220027
I think it depends on the time period and location. If you look at Eastern European vampire tales of the middle ages they often follow the cruel count / countess being absurdly depraved and evil, but vampires are old as dirt and most older stories portray them as evil undead driven by revenge or thirst for murder and sex.
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>>78215080
>Mind posting some of your work?

this is the last thing I did for a star vs the forces of evil thread. I also just use black/white and sometimes gray scale.

>how much do you know about composition and perspective?

I've worked a lot with perspective as the picture tends to look more dynamic, I've tried to look into composition but gave up shortly after, honestly I couldn't care less about backgrounds but I still think they are necessary and it has to look atleat decent or else it ruins to work you put on the character.
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>>78220229

here is something I did from a different angle and here again I rather used a convinient way to avoid drawing a detailed background.
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>>78220140
>If you look at Eastern European vampire tales of the middle ages they often follow the cruel count / countess being absurdly depraved and evil

Could you post some links to examples? I've never heard of pre-modern vampire stories being linked to the upper classes before.
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>>78220265
didnt vlad dracula live about roughly halfway in between the middle ages and anything you could call 'modern' ?
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>>78220042
Rape, because you have the money and power to escape the consequences.

Addiction, because the super rich tend to only know "more" and never "enough."

Disease, because greed is one.

Vampires have always been an allegory for the rich. Carmilla, pretty much one of the first named vampires in fiction, was based on Elizabeth Bathory. And my god, have fun reading about what she did.
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>>78220265
Vlad Tepes and Countess Bathory are the most famous stories.

>>78220042
I have to understand how to give it volume and not make it appear too flat but that's not too bad. Thanks.
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>>78220280
No, that's not true at all. Vampires were beings that stole 'essence' and life. They took your soul with your blood. They were monsters that lurked in the dark long before they were monarchs and aristocrats.

The fear of the undead rising and stealing the life of the living has been around since long before money was even a concept. It was only within the past two or three hundred years that vampires were associated with the rich, specifically in south-east European countries.
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>>78220280
it sounds to me more like you're ascribing all the sins of the world to the rich and then projecting that onto the writers of vampire stories
you also seem to think vampires started a lot later than they did
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>>78220307
oh that's downright cute now.. yet totally vampropriate. i dig it
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>>78220343
Yeah vampires are just as old as ghosts. Ancient Romans used to put dates on their doorsteps to stop vampires from entering and IIRC there are Chinese vampire stories that are super old.
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>>78220358
There were even concepts of them before that in ancient Mesopotamian lore, and records that show the idea had been around since long before that. The guy insisting they're based on the rich seriously needs to go do some research.
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>>78220269
Yeah, but he wasn't considered a vampire before modern times and Stoker's book.

>>78220280
Carmilla's less than 150 years old. It's a classic of gothic horror, but it's not all that old in terms of vampire stories.

>>78220307
Bathory wasn't made a vampire before modern vamp fiction either, though. Even the bathing-in-blood myth only painted her as a crazy woman, not somebody with supernatural powers or a deal with the devil.

Nose is much improved.
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>>78220269
That's a VERY broad time period; But I think you mean Vlad the Impaler who protected Romania from the Ottomans. That's who Bram Stoker's Dracula is inspired by, as far as I know.
But I THINK the term was first used in the 1700's for some serbian serial killer who may or may not have existed and drank the blood of his victims by hiding in water mills and killing the millers (I was doing some research on Vampires a WHILE ago for my own webcomic.)
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>>78220352
Yay I sparked a vampire discussion! I looooove vampires but they suffered a lot from being beaten into the ground in the past decades. Used to play Masquerade / Requiem and I loved the Legacy of Kain series. I really like the LoK take on vampires.
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>>78219198
>were you can see latest updates or most popular webcomics
Of course.
The shittiest system for merit must march strong.
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Opinions? They have to do some acting, else I would just have gone for empty black beads.
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>>78220647
>empty black beads.
DO IT.
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>>78220661
Eh it's kind of hard to pull off. This is probably the darkest I can go without it looking like crap
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>>78206518
As I said, these projects as webcomics are dead. Though I might be writing a book based off the first idea, I am not touching the second one with a ten foot pool as I can't draw it and I feel visuals would be an important part of the story.
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Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn I wanna collab with someone! I got gud riting skulls!

I was thinking of doing a spiritual successor to Humble Storyteller's TT story. It'd be a choose your own adventure VN where you get powers, choose to be on the good or bad team and either be a contributing member or make things bad for everyone. Hilarity ensues.

It'd be good to get some art for characters. SFW by the way.
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>>78205525
With Lucia and Jaime redesigned, I also gave Rattle a new look. Other