Don Bluth stuff

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I literally know nothing about this movie other then Don Bluth's animated segment (which is absolutely beautiful looking).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9LhIxwdvRM

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>>78171857
Neither do I, only watched a web review. They were just having fun, since the animated segment doesn't really have much to do with anything... except the characters having metaphorical sex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9LhIxwdvRM

His first Non-Mouse House project

>>78171951
ACTUALLY, that would be Banjo the Woodpile Cate.

Which is not completely sold out after being released on DVD in 2010.

>>78171979
*now completely sold out

Somebody promised to put Banjo on a private tracker.

It's still not there.

>>78171857
>>78171907
It's quite bad. Even with Die Hard, Predator, and The Matrix, it's (unfairly) the kind of thing I think of when I think of Joel Silver. Low points (for me) include the depressing presence of an elderly Gene Kelly (his last film role, although I'm pretty sure he did TV for years after), the fact that it was clearly as it was shot, and, of course, the music.

Weirdly, it was a sort of inspiration for psycho killer. He believed that he was a god and that Olivia Newton John was a goddess who communicated with him by changing the color of her eyes in Xanadu. He stalked her for a while and then came back and murdered five family members, shooting his parents in the eyes with a shotgun. He was on his way to kill Sandra Day O'Connor, the first woman appointed to the United States' Supreme Court when they caught him (he had a list of people to kill and she was at the top, above even Olivia Newton John herself, because, "No woman should ever be above a man."). At his place they found a bunch of TVs set to static with eyes drawn on them with marker. He was sentenced to death but he was so obviously completely off his gourd that it was ruled he could not be executed even though his mental illness was treatable. If he hadn't latched onto Xanadu it would have been something else but it's interesting that he chose this particular shitty movie to fixate on.

>>78172510
Oh, it's a widely held belief that the movie is objectively bad.

Kind of the reasons why Jeff Lynne refused to release the soundtrack for some time.

>>78171748

I feel bad for saying this but it's not that great a sketch. It's like he hasn't drawn in awhile.

>>78172721

A burlesque cat is fine too

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>>78172721
Unfortunately, Bluth had nothing to do with the sequel.

This lovely lady on the other hand just doesn't get enough attention

>raises more on Indigogo in 13 days than it did on Kickstarter in, what, 30+ days

damn what happened

>>78172721
>remember how in the first movie cats were semi-realistic?
>yeah, we neither

>>78172797
He probably hasn't. He's been doing a lot of work with theater lately, not much art.

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>$50 donation
>signed Anastasia print

tempted tempted

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>>78173003
When they tried the first time, they did not know what they were doing, and forgot to advertise. When doing it again, they listened to feedback, as well as IGG's staff who told them how to better organize the thing.

Unrelated but awesome video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUPzuWPUNwo

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>>78172989

>>78173013
They were only realistic in a few scenes, when it was crucial to make them look scary and monstrous to give us a better sense of how they seemed to mice. All of the cats with actual speaking lines like Warren and his gang were pretty anthropomorphic.

>>78173093
Yes, yes, but not to that extent.

>>78173095
What the fuck...?

>>78173230
The left one was the original design and the right is the design they went with.

>>78173230
Don was REALLY inspired by Roger Rabbit. Censors did not approve.

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Bluth was a-okay.

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>>78173283
I had no idea, damn, I thought they censored it later or something, I'm sure I saw the uncensored one somewhere.

>>78173329
Yeah, I learned a lot from Bluth's stuff. I'm a drawfag and this guy inspired me tons of times. We need more Bluth threads on /aco/ and Drawthreads.

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>>78173095

>>78173361
Don Bluth is literally THE man who made me want to draw again, and if not for him I would probably be wasting my time doing something else.

>/aco/
No likey that place.

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>>78173087
Sweet Jesus.

>>78173397
>No likey that place.
Why not? Yeah, there's a ton of really bad stuff, and people seem to be less interested in subtle eroticism of clothed characters, but it's still a pretty okay place to show off your stuff, if you ever do any. I'm slowly going into porn, so I'll probably try soon to post some stuff there, always a fun way to try new things.

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>>78173230
During production, a preview was shown to a test group of parents. They felt that Goldie was showing too much skin. Damned jealous mothers

To rectify this, and to save time, the animators placed a second layer with the feather fluff over the already completed cells and reshot the scenes. This apparently happened early on because they changed Goldie's outfit for later scenes by adding a nylon top which was not a separate layer and changing the colors. I suspect that she was intended to be in that first outfit throughout the film except for the last scene on the farm.

I own a cell from the first outfit which shows the extra layer
http://www.ospreygraphix.com/cells/DSCF0587.JPG
http://www.ospreygraphix.com/cells/DSCF0588.JPG

And of course I own the preproduction cell of what her colors were supposed to be. The front view was used on the second version of the DVD. >>78173380

>>78173397

So was it entirely suits interfering that Rock-a-doodle, Troll in Central Park, and Pebble and the Penguin all wound up being drivel? I know he got screwed over by Fox with Titan AE literally stealing his funds, but was it similar backstabbing for those movies?

>>78173430
What a shame, the upper half REALLY seems like a hack job, you can see it was put there like a lump of fur, just to shut the idiots.

I wonder if they have all of the original cells copied, in case there ever appears a possibility of maybe remastering the movie, but, well, the CORRECT way. Maybe it wasn't an amazing masterpiece, but it's still a pretty big part of animation history.

Also, just wondering - where did you get these and how much did you pay for them? I always wanted to buy some Don Rosa stuff, but anything from Bluth would be my close second when it comes to art.

>>78173434
If you take your time and read and watch a lot of interviews, you will get a full picture.

Rock-a-Doodle is mostly Don's fault, he could not keep the story together. Thumbellina had the final script written in 2 weeks from scratch, and Don admitted it was a mistake. By the time Troll went into production, the team in Ireland had two critical failures on their hands, were in no position to pick and choose the stories to animate.

A common misconception is that Don does not know his bad movies were bad. He does.

Also, Titan AE was "being made" for years with money going in, and not a second of footage shot. By the time Don's team was dragged to finish it, 20th C. Fox was very angry and not generous with their money. They spent several millions on nothing, and expected the next Star Wars. Naturally, they were disappointed with the result.

>>78173511

Still didn't mean they could just go pulling money like "it won't hurt"

>>78173477
All three are from eBay. If I remember right, the preproduction cell was about $100, the one with Pinky was $75 and the last one was near $137. Had to outbid for that last one.

And I'm sure they might have the 35mm film they initially took. A snippet of it was used in the trailer on the first All Dogs To Heaven VHS according to rumours. In order for something like that to even be considered there would need to be a rich party involved and enough interest to warrant an HD release in the first place. I have not seen anything about Rock-a-doodle getting a Blue Ray in the near future.

>>78173511

It does sound like some of Rock-a-doodles issues were him caving to pressure from test groups. Since apparently the Duke of Owls was supposedly scarier looking, and more than just Goldie's outfit was censored/fixed.

>>78173643
Well, they did remove the part where The Duke said he "grabbed the kitty by the throat and squeezed until his brains came out his ears! Heh heh. You know, the usual." on the DVDs and I think the spacey shapes in The Duke's magic smoke were added in post because it was too scary.

https://youtu.be/5Bsdu57SFZc

one of the best animated musical scenes ever. the gradual lighting and color palette shift gets me every time

>>78173692

>too scary

Yea, right. People then and now don't know what scares and what doesn't scare kids.

I do wonder who's the genius that wrote his "twiddle wee dee" song, good fucking god was that atrocious

>>78173699

Of his films in the 90s, Anastasia was definitely the most well polished. Yea, it was aping Disney in a lot of ways, but still had some great songs and a terrific villain. Shame about the singing bugs.

>>78173643
I don't think you are really seeing it. Who cares if the villain is scary or not? The story sucks!

>>78173788

It would have had a better impact. You can have a great villain in a shit story, look at Martin in the Nihm sequel

>>78173740
Rasputin was so much creepier in the earlier scripts, before they made him a magic limbo zombie with a pastel bug posse.

>tfw we didn't get a Rasputin who makes a dark joke about 'this little piggy escaped the firing squad...' to Anya as she's dangling from the falling platform and he's stomping on her fingers

>>78173834

Any concept arts? Even then, he was pretty creepy looking, though I can guess maybe not as much as the concept/story boards had in mind. Really, the bugs were the biggest detractor of his song. Should have been more of those gargoyle demons. Shame nobody has done an opera version with more intense imagery.

>>78172797
That's the harsh reality of being really old.

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>>78173853
This guy wasn't Rasputin though, despite the filename.

>>78173904

Who was he then? Almost seems like one of those lazy disguises where the villain just fixes his face a little but it's totally still him

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>>78173853
Super early concept, may be the precursor to Rasputin but close enough to the script's description.

Here's how his song was described. Sounds like it'd be similar to what we got, just with Bartok instead of bugs:

>Rasputin will have a DARK, MENACING, DELICIOUSLY SCARY NUMBER in whIch he SINGS of his obsession with killing the Romanovs once and for all. Bartok will interject comically throughouut. as Rasputin will conjure up minions from the iquary and sing about Romanovs FINALE, he sends them off after Anya.

>Shame nobody has done an opera version with more intense imagery.

They're making a musical version, set to premiere next spring, which is going to be a combination of the '97 film, the '56 film (which the 97 film adapted) and the '54 play. 6 of the animated film's songs are in it, plus 15 new songs. Rasputin is out, Bartok is out, magic in general is out. The new antagonist is a political fanatic who is love with Anya but rises higher in political ranks and is tasked with going after her after she flees the country with Dimitri and Vlad, and he is "not above killing her if necessary."

The director described his goal for the musical's story as wanting to dig deeper into the historical elements of the fantasy, and to bring back the ambiguity of the play/'56 film, where you don't know what the truth is. He also mentioned in an interview wanting to hone in on one of the themes from the 50s play and film, which can best be summed up with a quote the Empress says in the play, after recognizing "Anastasia":

>There is a very old man there, our lamplighter. Each night he goes from one room to another lighting the empty lamps until, for him, the great, dark rooms are ablaze with light. The other servants take no notice. They realize that he is childish. And perhaps that is true of us all, and we are lighting dead lamps to illumine a grandeur that is gone. Good night, Anastasia. And please, if it should not be you, don't ever tell me!"

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>>78173853
the "for sure" Rasputin concept arts aren't too radically different from the final design. Just more human.

>>78173958

>Rasputin is out

Well fuck, there goes any chance of an operatic version of "In the dark of the night"

>>78173958

>Writing Rasputin out of a story about the political upheaval of the Russian czars

K.

>>78173918
Communist Assassin, spreading death and communism across the land!

>>78173985
>Writing Rasputin out of a story about the political upheaval of the Russian czars

A story about a woman who may be an adult Anastasia popping up in the 1920s and being pushed into conning an old woman isn't about the political upheaval of the Russian czars. Rasputin has no place in the 'Anna Anderson' story.

>>78174042
Actually correct.

Semi-unrelated, but I have a theory that Rasputin is portrayed the way he is, because of Don's personal dislike for the russian Orthodox church (the man is a mormon).

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The project has just reached 98%, with more than 30 days left.

is he aiming for a PG-13 rating or is he going to change Daphne's clothes?

>>78171857
>they turn into birds
>he's not a swan
5/10

I just ripped one of Bluth's old film, should I post it in this thread or should I make a new one?

>>78172860
>purlesque

Ftfy

>>78175884
I will allow this.

>>78173087
Were the females always this slutty?

>>78172989
goldie ONLY got attention when Pavita showed up and was pretty much there to make flat jokes