Good evening owls of /co/,
Ellisbolts and one-shots, go!
Maybe this is the yuri-fag in me talking, but Melissa and Karla should just fuck already. Their constant struggle for the position of alpha female is starting to look like flirting.
it's cold and rainy here ;__;
The problem is that you'd have to let down your guard at least a little bit to fuck Karla, and god that's a bad idea
All of a sudden that Oglaf strip comes to mind, you know, with the sexy thief and the squid ink?
Tween girls love Songbird, this is canon DO SOMETHING WITH IT, MARVEL
and that is a straight ref to that infamous Mary Jane statue, lol
Poll: /co/ characters who would trap their junk, GO
This is one of those runs that revels in showing off obscure D-listers, and it's pretty glorious for it.
I think Parker era and beyond Karla would be relatively safe. She'd refrain from hurting Melissa too much. As long as they establish a safe word.
I want this as like cute and charming /34/ now
also the Santa thread just lost it at >1T37ON0S4F9A2
they are not getting what they want
I feel like Karla may be the actual straightest woman in Marvel canon, although she'd probably eat pussy if she got some advantage out of it.
And really the whole Moonstone/Songbird alpha bickering is laughable here. Karla is clearly the alpha bitch of the two, Songbird's only in contention because they have rules to play by.
Karla is one of those women who really doesn't like other women.
I was looking around for more interviews about Speedball from Quesada, and found this:
>NRAMA: That said, do you want to go back on your claim about Speedball being a “bad” character?
JQ: How about this - I want to kill Speedball. Dead is dead baby, I’ll kill Speedball and throw the ashes to the wind [evil maniacal laughter]
Did I mention that we’re killing off Speedball?
NRAMA: Wait, let’s check… uh, yeah…
JQ: I just wonder if a movie can ever be made with the character while still keeping that name. Can you imagine kids telling their mom’s that they want to go see “Speedball”, they need the Speedball toy, or want a Speedball for Christmas? Might as well give him a sidekick called One-Hitter. “Marvel Team-up featuring Speedball and One Hitter”, there ya go!
That hair, and WINGS?
Oh my god, I would have been too.
Marvel staff were really petty during that era. I mean, Craig and Yost were very giddy to kill off so many X-Men
and at the same time stress how awesome X-23 is. I mean, could you imagine how made the internet would be if the Wallflower sentinel thing happened now a days? (Yes, I know the last point was Ellis)
I'm sort of sad Ellis cracking a joke was the closest thing to realizing Songbird's marketable, but she kinda totally is.
It's maybe better that they didn't, I guess, but she'd be mandatory merch bait in a theoretical T-Bolts movie that will never happen.
Hell, I'm a guy, and even I would've loved Melissa at that age.
>Quesada shitting on characters he personally dislikes
This blatant lack of artistic integrity is sickening.
It's also that Melissa's idea have this tendency to work out, Moonstone was running the show when Mac ate Steel Spider
Moonstone's works best as the teams PR, and therapist not as a field commander.
>JQ: Let me clarify this if I can. When people say that there are no bad characters only bad writers or bad execution, I think that’s a ridiculous thing to say. I could sit here and dream up some insignificant character with no real proper construction and throw it into a book. Guess what, it’ll always be a bad character.
I think the "villains who discover they like and are good at being heroes" plot would really mix up the MCU in a good way
and GOTG proved they can sell D-listers
>This blatant lack of artistic integrity is sickening.
Marvel proudly wears this attitude on its sleeve.
Except now they have to tone it down unless they face the wrath of Tumblr.
After that Dragoncon, it sounds less likely.
>>JQ: Let me clarify this if I can. When people say that there are no bad characters only bad writers or bad execution, I think that’s a ridiculous thing to say. I could sit here and dream up some insignificant character with no real proper construction and throw it into a book. Guess what, it’ll always be a bad character.
Bullshit, the fact that Squirrel Girl is popular now proves him wrong.
ON THE OTHER HAND, no, keep them safe from that
Fuck, GOTG the movie has ruined Marvel Cosmic for years, now
Nah, Marvel is undoubtedly waiting to see how Suicide Squad does. And they actually are making a Civil War movie. If that does well, the T-Bolts movie shouldn't be far behind.
Marvel actually has a semi-competent marketing department, so there's a lot less never ever than with DC.
I still say it'd be more fair to blame the writers that felt they had to dive head first into being exactly like the movie instead of continuing doing their own thing or waiting for the movies to catch up.
>mfw I am having a discussion about how many panties $5000 buys in another thread
That's fair. I mean, I 1000% blame Bendis. He's very blameable.
I love that Songbird ain't dumb.
Not the movie's fault. If we DID get a legit, proper carbon copy of the movie in comics, we'd have someone doing DnA lite.
It's Bendis and Friends' fault for creating a product that resembles neither; the movie people were trying to be faithful to DnA.
ALRIGHT back to our story in progress, with telepaths in the mountain, and Robbie and Len hanging out
It'd require them to stop killing villains off.
And for them to set them up as bad guys. They also have to make sure the Trailers don't give up the fact that they're Ex-super villains a few weeks before the premiere.
I don't think you could possibly pull off the big twist as a twist with a movie
You don't have to read ANY villain runs to jump into the concept of Tbolts, though. I'd like to think that most people can run with just being told "these guys are supervillains" at the appropriate time.
Because, I think, pretending they're not villains is still the right thing to do.
the santa thread
UGH that fucking Times Square Shuttle, worst train
There are two more one-shots folded in, but..fuck it, we're on this ride, we're gonna take it straight
Same issue with the Ender's Game movie. You need to decide if you can pull off the twist, or just be up front with it. Especially when the twist is common knowledge.
I'm not really sure how you can pull off the Thunderbolts twist in a 2 hour block.
It's not clear, so I suggested the efficient thing to do would be to steal La Perla
D: D: D:
you'll see :D
hold on to your asses, three issues of insane after this
Dude, you'd be surprised at the sheer amount of magic wand bullshit you can pull of with sound waves.
There is no way guards don't banter. It's almost as good as the filthy women's wing of the Raft
>supervillain wearing his sister's skin for kicks
He's not really much of a supervillain, he's not wearing it, and he does need it for his powers to work. He's still crazy and creepy, but he's not Ed Gein-tier.
and if you have to go with a Germanic would-be übermensch, Zemo is just, well, Born Better
This page always pissed me off because it's such a cynical, British attitude to take. If they played American football like rugby the players would literally kill each other: American football players are larger, faster, stronger, more powerful as a whole. Their burst athletics are way above what you see in a Rugby game, which is way more focused on endurance.
also I wonder if there are any lies in here
But it's true, I pulled up the stats to show someone once who didn't believe how much bigger a defensive lineman is than an average rugby player
which means of course now the relevant question is would you a J. J. Watt
>It's one of these little things that makes me think he's probably a right cunt in real life.
If you read his forums/blog thing, he's more of an attention whore like the guy who plays in an Tool-inspired garage band to pick up girls. And leaves Aleister Crowley and Richard Dawkins on his bed side table to show how deep he is.
Because he's trying to evoke the "character development haircut" trope. He thinks it'll signify how he's a total badass who isn't playing around anymore.
He's mistaken of course, as he is just a poor man's Zemo and always will be.
Are we gonna go full /toy/ now and have a good bitch about how toy companies are stupid when it comes to figures of female characters?
Neo-Nazis are kind of pathetic. Which is why they make for good punchable villains.
Everything from here on out is just GET OUT YOUR LIGHTER
So in again not too many issues, Ellis has taken Penance at MAXIMUM EDGELORD and given Robbie a surprisingly nuanced and sympathetic arc. I really appreciate that.
Totally. Good use of Doc, who's really unique and useful, and considering Penance was a huge breaking of the proverbial toys, Ellis is giving him something back that other writers can use.
Blunderbolts is going to be...frustrating? But maybe less so because you know we come out of it into Parker.
I really am heartbroken that Yost never got to Aracely and Robbie really having a heart to heart, though.
HOLD ON TO YOUR ASSES, HERE WE GO!!!!
I will spoil nothing!
Was Swordsman just pretending to be retarded? Because until now he's been such a punk bitch. Now he's taking out Venom and going full on Coldsteel the Hedgeg on everyone? Someone's balls spontaneously dropped between issues.
This right here, this is what Bendis tried to recreate in Dark Reign Avengers.
Sure, we got "Bob, throw this man into sun", out of it, but anything this good? Pffft.
I can't add anything to this page. Savor it.
This is possibly the best single page of the run.
>It smells like death, blondes, and victory!
Making the symbiots into misunderstoood souls is possibly the most retarded thing ever, especially since it's explicitly a political view of Bendis being awkwardly inserted into space racoon books.
>still not that clear on what the hell happened in Celestial Madonna
I don't think anyone ever will be
If only Doc Samson were real ;__;
Norman must have great legs to keep a pose like that on that board
Why hasn't Marvel gotten the Carnage-Man and Hobgoblin teams to write more? Both those minis were great
Why is this sequence so amazing?
Because Ellis has been slowly building to this the entire run, and the art works with it, and it's just so gratifying to see it all cut loose
there's another fight coming up, too
you guys are making me wanna storytime Celestial Madonna. too bad it's long as shit. Avengers kinda has that LOSH problem in it's hard to find one short great arc.
All I remember really is that all the ladies were after that Vision dick.
I promised Comrade I'd run some Busiek/Perez Avengers some time
The really dark coloring all through this run is a great look on Deodato's art.
Speaking of Perez...
There wasn't a note in it, but HOLY SHIT THANK YOU ANON I will hold it and cuddle it and maybe loan it out to make some converts
Ahhh, got it. Ugh. Boring. No nuance to it either, like "actually does crazy shit", I bet.
OH SHIT NOT JOKING
The more I read of that past clusterfuck, the more I enjoy how Giffen just shrugged and mostly ignored it and ran with her.
>Upon the priests exile, they took the Cotati with them to inhabit every living world they would encounter, among them Earth and the planet Tamal, what would become the new home for the plant-species. The greatest impact they had on Earth was the fulfillment of a prophecy. A prophecy that foresaw the union of the perfect human with the perfect plant, the result of that being the perfect child, the Celestial Messiah. The perfect human was the Celestial Madonna named Mantis, while the perfect plant was the Elder Cotati, who inhabited the dead body of Swordsman. They held a double-marriage together with Vision and the Scarlet Witch, which was officiated by Immortus. The child (Sequioa or Quoi) was first raised on Earth and later on went to Tamal with his father.
Wow, this is some truly batshit material.
So Norman is singing some folk classic balladry here:
>An alien plant that took the form of Swordsman so Mantis would be ok with fucking it.
They smoked too much weed in Marvel in the 1970's.
No, you need one guard who is just scared and incompetent enough to live forever.
>Has Warren Ellis ever done a comedy series
also nice Jesus impression
that guard banter
"the concentration camp I built him in the backyard"
It also has Kang and Frankenstein and there's a pirate too, I think.
I can run Nextwave some time soonish
shit, that'd be great for a holiday storytime, like Christmas evening when I am hopefully drunk and everyone is gone home
we read THE CROSSING
current canon is
symbiotes start off wanting to help.However if they have an evil or even just violent or unhinged host, that taints the symbiote and drives them crazy. this craziness is passed on to their offspring. this is what the majority of off-world symbiotes are like.
Most of these symbiotes have their own ideas about what symbiotes are meant to be like, and convince themselves that symbiotes have always been crazy. Most think some random conquered planet or another is their ancestral home.
the venom symb was rejected by it's 'clan' because due to a genetic hiccup it didn't inherit any mental illness. It got locked up.
Peter found it, they bonded, Peter rejected it. It found Eddie, who was crazy. Eddie infected it with his craziness. It wound up on Angelo, who was less than stable, then on Scorpion, who was less than stable, a good number of other unhinged or fully crazy people, then finally on Flash Thompson, crazy as a kekoo. However after a while Flash and the symbiote were still able to come to an understanding and start trusting people more.
While traveling with the GotG, they stumbled close to the klyntar planet. Shit happened and then the giant swarming mass of billions of symbiote linked minds with the symbiote, and washed away all the mental contamination that had accumulated over the years.
As of now, the klyntar planet swarm is telepathically instructing Agent Venom to go to seemingly random planets to stop certain wrongdoers. That these instructions should be trusted uncritically has been cast into doubt.
Meantime, every time Flash, who is not the most stable guy around to begin with, murderously loses his temper, he gives the symbiote another red hot rage injection that if frequent enough could drive it crazy again could.
And the obvious subtext to this whole thing is, if the other 'evil' symbiotes just believe a made up story about the true symbiote nature and homeworld, what's to say the Klyntar aren't also delusional?
Doc Samson is such a very, very happy man in this spread.
Because we don't get nice things and maybe Pak will?
Dick jokes are best when in isolation, then you can get away with one
Doc got depowered (again). He's got a niche where he doesn't even need them, but I dunno if we're going to see him again unless someone fancies him/a Hulk event where everyone is repowered and everyone dies.
Amadeus is always written as needing booster shots of wisdom, tho, anything's possible.
More Britslang, I think
"what's wrong with TT" is a long, long story
After re-tooling the Cathexis Ray Generator to re-absorb and turn the Hulked-Out Heroes (and A.I.Marines) back to normal, Banner tries to absorb all of the energy with his body - and mostly succeeds - but at a crucial juncture, the machinery begins to break down from the feedback. Samson steps in and absorbs the additional excess energy, but for unknown reasons, his body is unable to absorb the energy as readily as Banner's body can and he is killed by the overload, reduced to a charred skeleton in seconds.
During the Chaos War, Doc Samson returns from the dead after what happened to the death realms. He helps Bruce and the other Hulks fight Brian Banner, Abomination, and the demons on Amatsu-Mikaboshi's side. Doc Samson was helpful in holding off Abomination. When Hercules sacrificed the All-Father powers to heal the universe, some of those who came back to life returned to the afterlife while the others remained among the living. Samson's fate was unknown.
When Red Hulk and Doctor Strange traveled to the Monster Metropolis and enlisted the help of the Legion of Monsters, they discover that the spirit that has been haunting Red Hulk is the insane evil side of Doc Samson (referred to as Dark Samson) which hasn't passed into the next life. Using a ghost entrapment device, Red Hulk and the Legion of Monsters were able destroy the Dark Samson spirit by ripping the Dark Samson spirit in half. Red Hulk and the Legion of Monsters did a toast to honor Doc Samson after that.
Magic folk, I guess
Why? I have a vague familiarity with the characters and there's nothing hard in there. Do the young justice route, villain of the week while the rest of the team takes turns supporting the angst of the two designated mains for that story arc
Soooo, nothing that's not fixable if someone wants to use the Doc.
Teen Titans also has an infamous cover that reads "In this issue...ANOTHER TITAN DIES!" It's been that kind of book for a long time.
GO WITH HIM ROBBIE dammit
he's offering to help ;__;
Editorial agendas fuck the Titans all the time; character has to be this way, you must run another Trigon plot, there will be a crossover, etc.
Are you familiar with nuStatic, where the editor literally rewrote the book on the fly?
Wolfman and Perez run is what put Titans on the map, and also what ruined it. Editorial keeps tampering with it in the vain hope of recapturing that magic, and no writer that isn't desperate would write for a book that is simultaneously known for being awful and having little creative freedom.
also they won't lay off the poorly done drama, and it feels like they forget that the NTT cast was like, college aged, not high school aged like the current cast is
and the current run is still tainted with Lobdell's "everyone's gotta be tragic and dark!" angle
TT needs to be a FUN teen book with a minimum of horrible angst but enough frothy soap opera to keep people interested. Everyone should be hot but not balloon-tits. This is harder than it sounds.
Let's read the two one-shots we skipped, yes?
SO, some day I also promised Comrade a full Bendis SI SoP
that means SI/Avengers/new Avengers to get the full badly-wasted waste of time experience
Ah man, this book is finishing
I don't want it too. What is Ellis doing these days other than Karnak? He's not still bailing that ugly cow KSD out from Captain Marvel is he?
Last I checked, evil Daredevil killed him in Shadowland or something
Well yeah, but you could do it as a teenie soap with more flirting and no hardcore; also, decide, are they high school? college? what?
Which is some of what put NTT on the map, Dick and Kory clearly IN BED
I wonder how hard Editorial has ridden Captain Marvel, actually
yeah the cast in Wolfman/Perez NTT were mostly 18+, you can't exactly do the same type of stories with younger teens
Unless they aged up the current cast a little I don't know who they'd stick on a team like that, there's not many heroes in the 18-22 range that aren't considered part of the grown up adults
except like... Vibe, Jaime, Stargirl? They're all still 18 or younger though
That's some of why Gillen made noises about his YA being about being 18-19, right?
The team composition will hold through Gage event tie-ins and then Diggle starts shifting things
You will be mad, I promise, unfortunately. That's why we're reading it all together.
So, this just escalated from Songbird vs Moonstone to Songbird vs Pretty Much Everyone.
I'm starting to see why Songbird/Diamondback is so obsessed with her. She is pretty great. Solo book with Troll as sidekick when?
Riding it hard? They bent over backwards to let KSD do whatever she wanted without sicking her fat dyehaired fandom on twitter.
CM run cancellation numbers for 90% of its run, and it was forced on life support, because Mahvel simply could not admit defeat from it "strong independent womyn" book, and shills it hard to this day on its every other book
Kamala Kahn outshines CM in a way that is just pathetic. Carol should be the one named after her
Arnim Zola is some wacky crazy shit
I didn't really get into Remender Cap, but I was pretty amused/annoyed by some MCU first fans who were all "WTF is this stuff doing in a Cap book?"
Oh, no, I mean it not as a CYA thing, but in part because he could do the stories about sexuality he clearly wanted to in part because they were older
I know they kept it alive, but I wonder if they dictated direction.
For all the particular vocal if small fanbase enthusiasm, Captain Marvel has never felt like someone's baby in the writing in a way that Totally Awesome Hulk clearly is, or even the current Angela book
If they'd read something, it was also mostly Bru (for Bucky) or Waid's Man Out of Time, so they wanted spy shenanigans and didn't expect gonzo pulp SF
Amadeus ran through a hell of a character arc throughout the years. He was a kid back in the coyote pup days, but he's completely changed his trajectory since playing with Herc, and now the powers look like they're nudging him into becoming the very guy he used to be nothing like.
And then you look at Herc and where he's going, and the two of them have come full-circle. I mean, Amadeus is still a Hulk ally and Banner fanboy at the core, but he never spent quality time with him like he did Herc.
you don't really need to pull them from anything. You can just say 'Here's X, they got busted by hero Y for crime Z' and that's all the audience needs to know for when they yell 'I bet Stark did this' in response to having their sitting privileges revokes.
He's been a supervillain, he just wants his sister back more than anything
I didn't read much of v2 but v1 was just so dull. Lots and lots of "Oh Carol, you're my amazing role model!" and none of how we got there.
And I think the mindwipe was cowardly. The better way to deal with Avengers #200 would be to ignore it rather than engage with it at all.
V2 was a lot better imo. Carol doing space diplomacy/dealing with fallout from Infinity, fun with Lila Cheney. Then Black Mirror happened and i bounced. Also much better art than v1. I vaguly remember rumors that the original dude with that muddy style and KSD didn't work well together.
no mind blowing amazing comics but they're fine cape stuff.
Agree about that. I couldn't believe it happened.
Wasn't that the one where she goes to a planet where there's a fat yellow rasta haired lesbian who is also a good mechanic and insists you must refer to her as GOODDESS?
Yeah, that book was shit. Illuminating Comics is where it's at
Storyteller, tell me straight up. How much booze would it take? Because I think I know you reasonably well enough to know you, on some level, want to do it some day.
also, something like, not super cheap
no Popov, no Wolfschmidt, etc.
>a fat yellow rasta haired lesbian who is also a good mechanic and insists you must refer to her as GOODDESS
This is reminding me of Ostrander's RAISE THE FLAG and Waller being Chemo
Illuminating COmics is always welcome here
So you'd need some of the good shit then. Fair enough.
Also, I'm reasonably certain that SOP would attract some.... unsavory guests. (Because this is 4chan after all, and the fedoras would come out of the wood works to heap praise on it.)
arguments are ALSO always welcome here, keep it nice or I'll turn this thread around and take it home, etc.
Eh, we haven't been too plagued in the past, even Identity Crisis Time
Awwww, fuck, my bad
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