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JSA Storytime: Ellisbolts

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Good evening owls of /co/,

Ellisbolts and one-shots, go!
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>>78163220
oh, Karla
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>>78163225
>strategic leaves
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>>78163220
Hello Storyteller.

>this cover
Maybe this is the yuri-fag in me talking, but Melissa and Karla should just fuck already. Their constant struggle for the position of alpha female is starting to look like flirting.
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>>78163240
Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/0jKyyDvj

it's cold and rainy here ;__;
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>>78163294
The problem is that you'd have to let down your guard at least a little bit to fuck Karla, and god that's a bad idea

All of a sudden that Oglaf strip comes to mind, you know, with the sexy thief and the squid ink?
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>>78163304
it's been raining here nonstop since last night

fortunately I had nowhere to be today so I got a shitload of chores done
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>>78163316
MURIKA FUCK YEAH
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>>78163336
Tween girls love Songbird, this is canon DO SOMETHING WITH IT, MARVEL

and that is a straight ref to that infamous Mary Jane statue, lol
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>>78163324
>All of a sudden that Oglaf strip comes to mind, you know, with the sexy thief and the squid ink?
I wouldn't put trapping her vagina past Karla
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>>78163356
Exactly!
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>>78163374
Poll: /co/ characters who would trap their junk, GO
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>>78163240
This is one of those runs that revels in showing off obscure D-listers, and it's pretty glorious for it.

>>78163324
I think Parker era and beyond Karla would be relatively safe. She'd refrain from hurting Melissa too much. As long as they establish a safe word.
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>>78163394
I bet sometimes Big Barda does just to see if she can catch Scott off guard
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>>78163294
Why don't you just put a trip on it?
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>>78163417
I want this as like cute and charming /34/ now

also the Santa thread just lost it at >1T37ON0S4F9A2

they are not getting what they want
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>>78163354
Maybe New Avengers will start a toy line.
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>>78163294
I feel like Karla may be the actual straightest woman in Marvel canon, although she'd probably eat pussy if she got some advantage out of it.

And really the whole Moonstone/Songbird alpha bickering is laughable here. Karla is clearly the alpha bitch of the two, Songbird's only in contention because they have rules to play by.
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>>78163512
Karla is one of those women who really doesn't like other women.
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>>78163531
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>>78163336
>MURIKA FUCK YEAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbduDRH2m2M
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>>78163354
As amusing as this is, the idea of capes having in-universe action figures based on them reminds me of that NBC Wonder Woman pilot. Ugh.
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>>78163478
>also the Santa thread just lost it at >1T37ON0S4F9A2
those aren't /co/ related!
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>>78163354
It's not even farfetched, I woulda been all over Songbird for her hair alone at that age. She's got that fairy princess thing going on, except she also does good work.
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I was looking around for more interviews about Speedball from Quesada, and found this:
>NRAMA: That said, do you want to go back on your claim about Speedball being a “bad” character?

JQ: How about this - I want to kill Speedball. Dead is dead baby, I’ll kill Speedball and throw the ashes to the wind [evil maniacal laughter]

Did I mention that we’re killing off Speedball?

NRAMA: Wait, let’s check… uh, yeah…

JQ: I just wonder if a movie can ever be made with the character while still keeping that name. Can you imagine kids telling their mom’s that they want to go see “Speedball”, they need the Speedball toy, or want a Speedball for Christmas? Might as well give him a sidekick called One-Hitter. “Marvel Team-up featuring Speedball and One Hitter”, there ya go!
https://archive.is/hX5rQ
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>>78163549
Aren't though?
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>>78163512
Sure bro.
>>78163304
Suuure.
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>>78163567
That hair, and WINGS?

Oh my god, I would have been too.
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>>78163569
What did poor Speedball ever do to him?
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>>78163569
fuck Joey Q
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>>78163460
Pardon?

>>78163512
Karla may be the alpha bitch, but Melissa has the nice girl thing going on, making people more receptive to her ideas.
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>>78163616
Hot glue
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>>78163569
Marvel staff were really petty during that era. I mean, Craig and Yost were very giddy to kill off so many X-Men and at the same time stress how awesome X-23 is. I mean, could you imagine how made the internet would be if the Wallflower sentinel thing happened now a days? (Yes, I know the last point was Ellis)
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>>78163599
He's not A-List and was too damn happy.
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>>78163586
I'm sort of sad Ellis cracking a joke was the closest thing to realizing Songbird's marketable, but she kinda totally is.

It's maybe better that they didn't, I guess, but she'd be mandatory merch bait in a theoretical T-Bolts movie that will never happen.
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>>78163394
Batman.
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>>78163599
The same thing Spider-Man's marriage did. Exist.
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>>78163699
IIRC Gunn really really wants to do Thunderbolts
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>>78163699
>but she'd be mandatory merch bait in a theoretical T-Bolts movie that will never happen.
3 Marvel movies a year.
It could totally happen.
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>>78163720
DAMMIT KARLA
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>>78163740
he is sweet on her, y/y
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>>78163720
That would be really good. I've got total confidence in him to do that.
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>>78163567
>>78163586
Hell, I'm a guy, and even I would've loved Melissa at that age.

>>78163569
>Quesada shitting on characters he personally dislikes
This blatant lack of artistic integrity is sickening.
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>>78163755
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>>78163637
It's also that Melissa's idea have this tendency to work out, Moonstone was running the show when Mac ate Steel Spider Man's arm.
Moonstone's works best as the teams PR, and therapist not as a field commander.
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>>78163616
>JQ: Let me clarify this if I can. When people say that there are no bad characters only bad writers or bad execution, I think that’s a ridiculous thing to say. I could sit here and dream up some insignificant character with no real proper construction and throw it into a book. Guess what, it’ll always be a bad character.

I concur.
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>>78163761
I think the "villains who discover they like and are good at being heroes" plot would really mix up the MCU in a good way

and GOTG proved they can sell D-listers
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>>78163720
poor Melissa ;_;

>>78163740
oh Karla
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>>78163767
>This blatant lack of artistic integrity is sickening.
Marvel proudly wears this attitude on its sleeve.
Except now they have to tone it down unless they face the wrath of Tumblr.
>>78163720
After that Dragoncon, it sounds less likely.
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>>78163800
>tfw they get Ooga Chaka'd
Do you really want that OP?
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>>78163800
Problem is where do you pull the villains from? They keep killing them off.
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>>78163720
Says father of the year Norman....
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>>78163787
>>JQ: Let me clarify this if I can. When people say that there are no bad characters only bad writers or bad execution, I think that’s a ridiculous thing to say. I could sit here and dream up some insignificant character with no real proper construction and throw it into a book. Guess what, it’ll always be a bad character.
Bullshit, the fact that Squirrel Girl is popular now proves him wrong.
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>>78163818
ON THE OTHER HAND, no, keep them safe from that

Fuck, GOTG the movie has ruined Marvel Cosmic for years, now
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>>78163818
>>78163837
>still pretending to hate the GotG movie
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>>78163699
>implying
Nah, Marvel is undoubtedly waiting to see how Suicide Squad does. And they actually are making a Civil War movie. If that does well, the T-Bolts movie shouldn't be far behind.

Marvel actually has a semi-competent marketing department, so there's a lot less never ever than with DC.
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>>78163837
>>78163818
I still say it'd be more fair to blame the writers that felt they had to dive head first into being exactly like the movie instead of continuing doing their own thing or waiting for the movies to catch up.
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>>78163868
It's an alright movie...but it has the same influence as the 80's Flash gordon movie.
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>>78163755
I get the feeling Chen might be a legitimately thoughtful and decent guy, but we have several issues left to prove me wrong I really don't think he's going to turn heel, tho
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>>78163837
>mfw I am having a discussion about how many panties $5000 buys in another thread
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>>78163880
Let's be honest, Bendis and Humphries probably got too confused during DnA Guardians that they dumbed it down. In fact, all of Bendis' stories read like video game levels.
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>>78163880
That's fair. I mean, I 1000% blame Bendis. He's very blameable.

I love that Songbird ain't dumb.
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>>78163837
Not the movie's fault. If we DID get a legit, proper carbon copy of the movie in comics, we'd have someone doing DnA lite.

It's Bendis and Friends' fault for creating a product that resembles neither; the movie people were trying to be faithful to DnA.
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>>78163936
ALRIGHT back to our story in progress, with telepaths in the mountain, and Robbie and Len hanging out
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>>78163936
I think you may have gravely underestimated her Karla.
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>>78163958
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>>78163821
Movies don't really lend themselves well to superhero concepts like rogues galleries.
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>>78163971
solicits when?
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>>78163800
It'd require them to stop killing villains off.
And for them to set them up as bad guys. They also have to make sure the Trailers don't give up the fact that they're Ex-super villains a few weeks before the premiere.
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>>78164001
I don't think you could possibly pull off the big twist as a twist with a movie
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>>78164018
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>>78164029
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>>78164029
here we go
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>>78164039
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
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>>78164001
You don't have to read ANY villain runs to jump into the concept of Tbolts, though. I'd like to think that most people can run with just being told "these guys are supervillains" at the appropriate time.

Because, I think, pretending they're not villains is still the right thing to do.
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>>78163907
..... Which thread is this?

>>78163922
>>78163936
The back and forth between these two is easily may favorite part of this run so far.
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>>78164045
we heading to crazy town faster than Slade
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>>78164056
the santa thread

UGH that fucking Times Square Shuttle, worst train
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>>78164058
Except symbiotes are easier to take serious than drugs made out of dead orphans.
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>>78164075
Uhoh
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>>78164018
The only way would be if they do some intensive marketing on not being clear how the movie will go, and not being clear on who would show up in the movie.
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>>78163907
We talking fancy lingerie or cheap Hanes packs?
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>>78164092
There are two more one-shots folded in, but..fuck it, we're on this ride, we're gonna take it straight
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>>78164075
Well, I don't want to be a downer, but $5000 could probably get you 5000 panties if you don't care about quality. One for every day of the year...for thirteen years.
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>>78164018
Same issue with the Ender's Game movie. You need to decide if you can pull off the twist, or just be up front with it. Especially when the twist is common knowledge.

I'm not really sure how you can pull off the Thunderbolts twist in a 2 hour block.
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>>78164101
It's not clear, so I suggested the efficient thing to do would be to steal La Perla
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>>78163354
Would you buy it /co/?
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>>78164118
>One for every day
I was assuming they were buying panties so they could have a huge pile they could swim in like Scrooge McDuck.
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>>78164134
I had to double-check, but apparently Kotobukiya hasn't made one yet.
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Has Songbird ever teamed up with Dazzler?
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>>78164150
oh fuck
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>>78164092

>talking back to the crazy supervillain wearing his sister's skin for kicks

The Marvel public is so smart.
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>>78164161
Hmm, that requires some math, but there should be enough cloth in there for it. Definitely enough to fill a hot tub or something with it.
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>>78163354
Been while since I've been reminded of that statue
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>>78164165
So,is he actually wearing the mask,is this just a sign he's completely flipped out?
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>>78164092
>Mister Nazi Pervert-Suit Guy
Is Swordsman's suit that pervy? I thought Penance had the most perverse outfit.
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>>78164092
The constant banter between guards is one of the best things about Ellis' run.
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>>78164220
D: D: D:

>>78164215
you'll see :D

hold on to your asses, three issues of insane after this
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>>78164235
>hold on to your asses, three issues of insane after this

Hell yeah
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>>78164198

Saving this for whenever someone bitches about muh realism.
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>>78164150
>With sound?
Dude, you'd be surprised at the sheer amount of magic wand bullshit you can pull of with sound waves.
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>>78164232
There is no way guards don't banter. It's almost as good as the filthy women's wing of the Raft
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>>78164193
>supervillain wearing his sister's skin for kicks
He's not really much of a supervillain, he's not wearing it, and he does need it for his powers to work. He's still crazy and creepy, but he's not Ed Gein-tier.
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>>78164198
>>78164198
This reminds me of that old old Iron Man Story where he paints his Box of Scraps armor Gold to make himself more heroic looking
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>>78164266

Still, I'm not going to snark at someone like that.
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>>78164266
and if you have to go with a Germanic would-be übermensch, Zemo is just, well, Born Better
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>>78164318
oh look
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>>78164173
This page always pissed me off because it's such a cynical, British attitude to take. If they played American football like rugby the players would literally kill each other: American football players are larger, faster, stronger, more powerful as a whole. Their burst athletics are way above what you see in a Rugby game, which is way more focused on endurance.
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>>78164330
also I wonder if there are any lies in here
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>>78164338
>cynical, British attitude to take

Warren Ellis, you mean?
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>>78164352
Oh, Firestar. Weren't you brutally murdered recently or something?
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>>78164357
zing!

But it's true, I pulled up the stats to show someone once who didn't believe how much bigger a defensive lineman is than an average rugby player
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>>78164305
So...why does he have to shave his head?
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>>78164357
Yeah, of course. But like No Hero Warren Ellis and not Planetary Warren Ellis. It's one of these little things that makes me think he's probably a right cunt in real life.
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>>78164386
which means of course now the relevant question is would you a J. J. Watt
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>>78164388
he's fucking crazy
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>>78164357
It's weird for a non-Brit to take though. Unless Doc Samson is one of those guys who studied abroad for a semester then never shuts up about it.
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>>78164411
Don't ruin Doc Samson for me man ;_:
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>>78164418
he's a gross Nazi, Songbird
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>>78164397
>It's one of these little things that makes me think he's probably a right cunt in real life.

If you read his forums/blog thing, he's more of an attention whore like the guy who plays in an Tool-inspired garage band to pick up girls. And leaves Aleister Crowley and Richard Dawkins on his bed side table to show how deep he is.
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>>78164433
delicious Karla
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>>78164444
heeey, quads!
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>>78164388
Because he's trying to evoke the "character development haircut" trope. He thinks it'll signify how he's a total badass who isn't playing around anymore.

He's mistaken of course, as he is just a poor man's Zemo and always will be.
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>>78164469
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>>78164433

>Poland

I did Nazi that one coming.
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>>78163354

>Action Figures of Female Superheros actually existing

IMMERSION DESTROYED. THANKS MAHVEL
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>>78163220

hey thread

Ellisbolts is crazy short in hindsight considering all it did
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>>78164388
Neo-Nazi. Or he's going for some Natural Born Killers bit.
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>>78164504

That's not an action figure. That's a vagina repellant figures that dorks with too much money buy.
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>>78164521
Ellis is good at that.
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>>78164274
>I'm in charge!
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>>78164544
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>>78164544
>orders are for giving, not taking

What?
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>>78164553
An Alexander Haig joke? In MY /co/?
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>>78164544
I'm glad this is good comics, considering the people it attracts.
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>>78164271
I thought of exactly the same thing.
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>>78163736

4, one a quarter

CAN'T STOP THE FIEGE
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>>78164553

for you
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>>78164575
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>>78164504
Are we gonna go full /toy/ now and have a good bitch about how toy companies are stupid when it comes to figures of female characters?

>>78164524
Neo-Nazis are kind of pathetic. Which is why they make for good punchable villains.
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>>78164433
His Nazi affiliation is more ambiguous than Baron Zemo's, and Songbird didn't seem grossed out by him.
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>>78164619
DOC SAMSON RAPEFACE
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>>78164619

Oh god, this part.

most satisfying curbstomp ever
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>>78164634
yes, we can totally bitch about that
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>>78164634
Except Crossbones, he's just disgusting.
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>>78164646
Everything from here on out is just GET OUT YOUR LIGHTER
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>>78164575
>this page
Pfft, Nothin' personnel, kid.

All he needs now is to teleport behind someone.
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>>78164687
So in again not too many issues, Ellis has taken Penance at MAXIMUM EDGELORD and given Robbie a surprisingly nuanced and sympathetic arc. I really appreciate that.
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OG Swordsman has a crazy life story. Feels bad a punk nazi kid took the name
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>>78164709
it's like that one 4chan banner
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>>78164740
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>>78164738

The Hawkeye thing?

Is that even still canon now that he's a super secret agent for SHIELD XD?
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>>78164763
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>>78164659
Pretty sure we have before, but it's still and utterly baffling practice.

>>78164671
Crossbones was so bad even the Thunderbolts who hadn't turned face hated his guts.
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>>78164738
Didn't a magic tree already steal his face?
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>>78164764

??

I meant being a villain, joining the Avengers for redemption, all the shit with Mantis, then marring her as a ghost.
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>>78164709
Totally. Good use of Doc, who's really unique and useful, and considering Penance was a huge breaking of the proverbial toys, Ellis is giving him something back that other writers can use.
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>>78164805
Blunderbolts is going to be...frustrating? But maybe less so because you know we come out of it into Parker.
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>>78164831
I really am heartbroken that Yost never got to Aracely and Robbie really having a heart to heart, though.
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>>78164799

Wasn't he Hawkeye's ex-mentor from the circus? And then Hawkeye turned him in?

I wasn't aware of the later stuff.
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>>78164831
It's going to be a story time of pain isn't it? I'm still recovering from Slade.
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>>78164851
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>>78164857

Oh yeah. He taught him and Barney both I think
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>>78164903
HOLD ON TO YOUR ASSES, HERE WE GO!!!!

>>78164899
I will spoil nothing!
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>>78164952
NORMIE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING
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>>78164779
>>78164831
Was Swordsman just pretending to be retarded? Because until now he's been such a punk bitch. Now he's taking out Venom and going full on Coldsteel the Hedgeg on everyone? Someone's balls spontaneously dropped between issues.
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>>78164952
This right here, this is what Bendis tried to recreate in Dark Reign Avengers.

Sure, we got "Bob, throw this man into sun", out of it, but anything this good? Pffft.
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>>78165002
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>>78164952
>that monologue

Jesus fuck, Norman!
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>>78165018
I can't add anything to this page. Savor it.
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I don't think anyone has ever written a better Norman than Ellis.
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>>78164952
fucking sins past
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>>78164952
I can't help but read these lines in Willem Dafoe's voice.
>THE HEART, OSBORN.
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>>78165043

I swear to god this whole scene probably comes from the same place where Ellis got Dirk Anger from.
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>>78164952
>>78165002
>>78165018
>>78165043
Yesssssss
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>>78165084

You mean, New Jersey?
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>>78165043

And a bigger pay off than we ever got from Bendis!Osborn's shit
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>>78165084
Yeah!

Also, the guards here.
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>>78165043
>I'm so glad I never washed this particular costume
Nigga that's gross
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>>78165043
This is like hearing Donald Trumps internal monologue.
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>>78165124
This is possibly the best single page of the run.
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>>78164260

>This guy is just a misunderstood Space Knight hero


THANKS BENDIS
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>>78164785
What the fuck.
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>>78165142
>he just fucking zooms off on his hoverboard

My sides are destroyed
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>>78165043
>It smells like death, blondes, and victory!
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>>78165155

I thought the retcon was Venom was a crazy member of a normal alien race
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>>78165142
I think this entire run is one long, crazy advert for psychotherapy.
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>>78165157
I think that's what happened. I'm still not that clear on what the hell happened in Celestial Madonna.
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>>78165142
This is so batshit insane,and I'm enjoying every minute of it!
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>>78165142
Finally, a clue is gotten
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>>78165155

Making the symbiots into misunderstoood souls is possibly the most retarded thing ever, especially since it's explicitly a political view of Bendis being awkwardly inserted into space racoon books.
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>>78165197
The original story was that the symbiote was the only sane member of a crazy race.
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>>78165215
>still not that clear on what the hell happened in Celestial Madonna
I don't think anyone ever will be

>>78165209
If only Doc Samson were real ;__;
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>>78165270
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>>78165215
No, really, what. A magic tree? I don't know anything about this.
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>>78165260

HAHAHAHAHAHA

FUCKING BENDIS
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>>78165283
We're about to witness the most glorious fucking curbstomp in the entire series.
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>>78165043
I subvocalize Goblin and Norman as having slightly different voices.

Always makes reading this page a bit of a trip.
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>>78165283
Norman must have great legs to keep a pose like that on that board

Why hasn't Marvel gotten the Carnage-Man and Hobgoblin teams to write more? Both those minis were great

>>78165239
Political?
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>>78165124
>dat RAPEFACE

>>78165142
>arm-eating retard
Why is this sequence so amazing?
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>>78165328
Because Ellis has been slowly building to this the entire run, and the art works with it, and it's just so gratifying to see it all cut loose

there's another fight coming up, too
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>>78165366
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>>78165142
This should be handy.
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you guys are making me wanna storytime Celestial Madonna. too bad it's long as shit. Avengers kinda has that LOSH problem in it's hard to find one short great arc.

All I remember really is that all the ladies were after that Vision dick.
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>>78165366
>YOU DIDN'T HAVE A MOTHER!
>A PIG COUGHED AND YOU FELL OUT!

Holy mother of god this is incredible.
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>>78165402
I promised Comrade I'd run some Busiek/Perez Avengers some time
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>>78165431
The really dark coloring all through this run is a great look on Deodato's art.
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>>78165431

Perez makes every time he draws Avengers great. It's like magic. He'd come fill in and the issue would be a stand out
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>>78165283
>Please?
Please? Nigga, you just dropped the soap.

>>78165366
>Mommy.
>You don't have a mother. A pig coughed and you fell out!
I can't breathe!
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>>78165460
and this time it seems intentional instead of a lazy shortcut to hide all his mistakes!
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>>78165324

>NOT ALL THINGS YOU THINK ARE EVIL ARE BAD!
>THEY'RE JUST MISUNDERSTOOD!
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>>78165480
Speaking of Perez...

There wasn't a note in it, but HOLY SHIT THANK YOU ANON I will hold it and cuddle it and maybe loan it out to make some converts
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>>78165513
Ahhh, got it. Ugh. Boring. No nuance to it either, like "actually does crazy shit", I bet.
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>>78165295
An alien plant that took the form of Swordsman so Mantis would be ok with fucking it.
http://marvel.com/universe/Cotati
At least I think that's what happened.
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>>78165546
OH SHIT NOT JOKING

>>78165561
The more I read of that past clusterfuck, the more I enjoy how Giffen just shrugged and mostly ignored it and ran with her.
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>>78165577
What the fuck is happening in this comic
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>>78165577
That is the smartest fucking guard in history
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>>78165561
>Upon the priests exile, they took the Cotati with them to inhabit every living world they would encounter, among them Earth and the planet Tamal, what would become the new home for the plant-species. The greatest impact they had on Earth was the fulfillment of a prophecy. A prophecy that foresaw the union of the perfect human with the perfect plant, the result of that being the perfect child, the Celestial Messiah. The perfect human was the Celestial Madonna named Mantis, while the perfect plant was the Elder Cotati, who inhabited the dead body of Swordsman. They held a double-marriage together with Vision and the Scarlet Witch, which was officiated by Immortus. The child (Sequioa or Quoi) was first raised on Earth and later on went to Tamal with his father.
Wow, this is some truly batshit material.
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>>78165577
So Norman is singing some folk classic balladry here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZLK0nqP7Y
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>>78165577
This guard is a smart man
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>>78165546
>first panel
Melissa, pls. You've been hanging out with Karla too much.

>last panel
Chen, pls.

Has Warren Ellis ever done a comedy series? This shit has me rolling.
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>>78165577
I need a trade paperback of this book soooooo much.
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>>78165577
PROMOTE THIS MAN.
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>>78165629
NEXTWAVE, man.
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>>78165629
You never heard of Nextwave?
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>>78165561
>An alien plant that took the form of Swordsman so Mantis would be ok with fucking it.

They smoked too much weed in Marvel in the 1970's.

>>78165639

No, you need one guard who is just scared and incompetent enough to live forever.
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>>78165629
>Has Warren Ellis ever done a comedy series? This shit has me rolling.
Nextwave
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>>78165629
Nextwave.
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>>78165629
>Has Warren Ellis ever done a comedy series
NEXTWAVE NEXTWAVE

also nice Jesus impression
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>>78165673
dat freakish Songbird anatomy
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>>78165673
Norman, you're such a drama queen.
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>>78165673
Hoooo boy.
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>a bunch of barely-functioning criminals with varying levels of psychopathy being ordered around by a man even more insane than all of them

Shit this basically IS Nextwave right now.
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>>78165657
>>78165660
>>78165667
>>78165672
>>78165673
..... Okay then. Guess I should read Nextwave sometime.
>>
THREAD NEEDS AN IMMEDIATE DOSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuosmf1_mKs
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>>78165707
that guard banter

"the concentration camp I built him in the backyard"
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>>78165663

You shut your mouth

>>78165561

Mantis' sexuality is amazing.

also she used to be moral ambiguous as fuck/kinda evil
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>>78165695
>freakish
Foreshortened, you mean.
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>>78165739
I wasn't talking about the foreshortening
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>>78165402
It also has Kang and Frankenstein and there's a pirate too, I think.
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>>78165714
I can run Nextwave some time soonish

shit, that'd be great for a holiday storytime, like Christmas evening when I am hopefully drunk and everyone is gone home

>>78165738
we read THE CROSSING
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>>78165766
LAST ISSUE

then the one-shots we skipped
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>>78165761

It's a Kang v Immortus v Rama-Tut story. I fucking love it. I think they got plucked outta time to defend, OG Zemo's there too
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>>78165795
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>>78165766
>I can run Nextwave some time soonish
Sounds like an idea. I can finally find out why Monica Rambeau has so many rampant fans.
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>>78165197
current canon is
symbiotes start off wanting to help.However if they have an evil or even just violent or unhinged host, that taints the symbiote and drives them crazy. this craziness is passed on to their offspring. this is what the majority of off-world symbiotes are like.

Most of these symbiotes have their own ideas about what symbiotes are meant to be like, and convince themselves that symbiotes have always been crazy. Most think some random conquered planet or another is their ancestral home.

the venom symb was rejected by it's 'clan' because due to a genetic hiccup it didn't inherit any mental illness. It got locked up.

Peter found it, they bonded, Peter rejected it. It found Eddie, who was crazy. Eddie infected it with his craziness. It wound up on Angelo, who was less than stable, then on Scorpion, who was less than stable, a good number of other unhinged or fully crazy people, then finally on Flash Thompson, crazy as a kekoo. However after a while Flash and the symbiote were still able to come to an understanding and start trusting people more.

While traveling with the GotG, they stumbled close to the klyntar planet. Shit happened and then the giant swarming mass of billions of symbiote linked minds with the symbiote, and washed away all the mental contamination that had accumulated over the years.

As of now, the klyntar planet swarm is telepathically instructing Agent Venom to go to seemingly random planets to stop certain wrongdoers. That these instructions should be trusted uncritically has been cast into doubt.
Meantime, every time Flash, who is not the most stable guy around to begin with, murderously loses his temper, he gives the symbiote another red hot rage injection that if frequent enough could drive it crazy again could.

And the obvious subtext to this whole thing is, if the other 'evil' symbiotes just believe a made up story about the true symbiote nature and homeworld, what's to say the Klyntar aren't also delusional?
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>>78165839
Doc Samson is such a very, very happy man in this spread.
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>>78165850
Monica Rambeau deserves better.
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>>78165850

Because she's the only (relatively) sane woman on the team and it's amazing.
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>>78165856

Ahh the ole "I'M THE REAL BRAINIAC" retcon, a classic


>>78165906

Ewing has been writing her great for years.
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>>78165850
Protip: She had a good run as Cap, or Ellis wouldn't have had anything to go on. She's the best Captain Marvel who isn't embroiled in heroic sacrifice
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>>78165879

OHOOHOHOOO DAMN
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>>78165814
>It's a Kang v Immortus v Rama-Tut story
Man against Self?
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>>78165879
BEST DICK JOKE Y/Y/Y?
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>>78165931

Eh, I've re-read Mighty Avengers

He hasn't really done anything with her other than power levels
>>
>>78165879
Why won't Mahvel bring Samson back? I miss that green haired hunk.
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>>78165984

One of the very few I've actually laughed at, so yeah.
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>>78165995
Because we don't get nice things and maybe Pak will?
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>>78165958

She's insane in Sternvengers

"Hey CM go check out Pluto"
"K, brb"
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>>78166032
Dick jokes are best when in isolation, then you can get away with one
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>>78165984
it's a damn good one
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>>78166035

Pad needs to get shilled more often

He writes the most solid books in marvel, but no one buys them
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>>78166049
Oh shit, Karla, you're fucked now
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>>78166076
another very good page
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>>78166049
The best dick jokes are the ones that just fall into your lap.
>>
>>78166073
Can he fix the Teen Titans?
>>
>>78166076


Uuuh, Kilgrave made me do it?
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>>78166102
I give him a 1% chance
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>>78166076
>>78166096

Fucking hell, you guys weren't kidding about Robbie's powerset being broken as shit.
>>
>>78166049
Hatstand?
>>
>>78166035
Doc got depowered (again). He's got a niche where he doesn't even need them, but I dunno if we're going to see him again unless someone fancies him/a Hulk event where everyone is repowered and everyone dies.

Amadeus is always written as needing booster shots of wisdom, tho, anything's possible.
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>>78166102

There's not a question in my mind, yes he can


What's wrong with titans? The only DC book I read is constantine..
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>>78166096
Literally blown the fuck out.
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>>78166128
More Britslang, I think

delicious Songbird

>>78166152
"what's wrong with TT" is a long, long story
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>>78166152

Titans books seem to confound everyone who has the misfortune to get stuck with them.
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>>78166102
Can? Yes. Absolutely.

Allowed to? Unsure.
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>>78166096
Okay,aside from cosmic powered beings,who can match him in power?
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>>78166138
Is he alive? I thought Doc got killed a while ago

>>78166152
>What's wrong with titans?
the cast sucks, the plots suck, everything sucks
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>>78166165
she can fly, you stupid cock
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>>78166184
I thought he died and got better?
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>>78166152
>What's wrong with titans?
They're not allowed to be anything but rehash Perez/Wolfman era and consequently are a goddamn roach motel for teen superheroes.
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>>78166184
>>the cast sucks, the plots suck, everything sucks
That's a bit too simplified, it's that it sucks but nobody seems to be allowed to fix it.
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>>78166184
After re-tooling the Cathexis Ray Generator to re-absorb and turn the Hulked-Out Heroes (and A.I.Marines) back to normal, Banner tries to absorb all of the energy with his body - and mostly succeeds - but at a crucial juncture, the machinery begins to break down from the feedback. Samson steps in and absorbs the additional excess energy, but for unknown reasons, his body is unable to absorb the energy as readily as Banner's body can and he is killed by the overload, reduced to a charred skeleton in seconds.

During the Chaos War, Doc Samson returns from the dead after what happened to the death realms. He helps Bruce and the other Hulks fight Brian Banner, Abomination, and the demons on Amatsu-Mikaboshi's side. Doc Samson was helpful in holding off Abomination. When Hercules sacrificed the All-Father powers to heal the universe, some of those who came back to life returned to the afterlife while the others remained among the living. Samson's fate was unknown.

When Red Hulk and Doctor Strange traveled to the Monster Metropolis and enlisted the help of the Legion of Monsters, they discover that the spirit that has been haunting Red Hulk is the insane evil side of Doc Samson (referred to as Dark Samson) which hasn't passed into the next life. Using a ghost entrapment device, Red Hulk and the Legion of Monsters were able destroy the Dark Samson spirit by ripping the Dark Samson spirit in half. Red Hulk and the Legion of Monsters did a toast to honor Doc Samson after that.
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>>78166179

Magic folk, I guess

>>78166167

Why? I have a vague familiarity with the characters and there's nothing hard in there. Do the young justice route, villain of the week while the rest of the team takes turns supporting the angst of the two designated mains for that story arc
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>>78166186
>she can fly, you stupid cock
Its the principle of the thing.
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>>78166217
Soooo, nothing that's not fixable if someone wants to use the Doc.
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>>78166217
so... he's dead?
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>>78166165
Why is she so perfect?

>>78166186
He's in the madness place right now. No time for rationality.
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>>78166240
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>>78166230

>>78166205 explains it the best. Trying too hard to recapture the best run of the team with little to no understanding of what made it work in the first place.
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>>78166247
Less dead than, say, Captain Marvel I. More dead than Dick Rider, but only slightly.
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>>78166217

God I hope you didn't slow down this STORY TIME OF HYPE to type all of that shit out
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>>78166217
>Dark Samson
Someone needs whipped for that one
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>>78166259
OHHHH FUCK

>>78166263
Teen Titans also has an infamous cover that reads "In this issue...ANOTHER TITAN DIES!" It's been that kind of book for a long time.
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>>78166279
wiki copypasta!
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>>78166308
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>>78166263


But what does he mean "allowed", like, do other writers have plans for the cast?
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>>78166308
Realistically none of these are penetrating enough to kill.
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>>78166318
GO WITH HIM ROBBIE dammit

he's offering to help ;__;
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>>78166326

A lot of what fucks up the books is editorial mandate. See: Johns' run.
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>>78166326
Editorial!
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>>78166308

Good man
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>>78166326
Editorial agendas fuck the Titans all the time; character has to be this way, you must run another Trigon plot, there will be a crossover, etc.

Are you familiar with nuStatic, where the editor literally rewrote the book on the fly?
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>>78166308
>>78166318

Man Bullseye is scary
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>>78166230
Wolfman and Perez run is what put Titans on the map, and also what ruined it. Editorial keeps tampering with it in the vain hope of recapturing that magic, and no writer that isn't desperate would write for a book that is simultaneously known for being awful and having little creative freedom.
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>>78166263
also they won't lay off the poorly done drama, and it feels like they forget that the NTT cast was like, college aged, not high school aged like the current cast is

and the current run is still tainted with Lobdell's "everyone's gotta be tragic and dark!" angle
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>>78166326
He probably means that editorial wants the Titans done a certain way. No matter how bad the end result.
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>>78166365
TT needs to be a FUN teen book with a minimum of horrible angst but enough frothy soap opera to keep people interested. Everyone should be hot but not balloon-tits. This is harder than it sounds.
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>>78166342
Bullseye kills people with playing cards, man.
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>>78166368

Jesus, I give Mahvel shit, but that just sounds like a bad way to run a publisher
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>>78166308
>>78166318
oh Bullseye

what's he up to these days? Is he still dead/paralyzed/comatose or whatever?
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>>78166403
ZZZZZZZING!

Let's read the two one-shots we skipped, yes?
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>>78166342
Bullseye can spit his own teeth at people and kill them

it's comics anon
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>>78166414

Where'd he go after WaidDevil?
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>>78166436
and send-off letters
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>>78166403
There would be more room for titties and sex if everyone were 18+. Grown-ass men writing about the sex lives of 14 year-olds is grooooooooooss.
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>>78166455
SO, some day I also promised Comrade a full Bendis SI SoP

that means SI/Avengers/new Avengers to get the full badly-wasted waste of time experience

fuuuuck
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>>78166403
So kind of like the Teen Titans Go comic, before it ended?
I think it was like that, but it's been years.
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>>78166472
I think John Allison does it okay.
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>>78166403

Ah man, this book is finishing

I don't want it too. What is Ellis doing these days other than Karnak? He's not still bailing that ugly cow KSD out from Captain Marvel is he?

>>78166414

Last I checked, evil Daredevil killed him in Shadowland or something
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>>78166455

>Secret Invasion Strikes
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>>78166472
Well yeah, but you could do it as a teenie soap with more flirting and no hardcore; also, decide, are they high school? college? what?

Which is some of what put NTT on the map, Dick and Kory clearly IN BED
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>>78166403
HAHA THAT SAMSON PUNCHLINE
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>>78166527
I wonder how hard Editorial has ridden Captain Marvel, actually
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>>78166472
yeah the cast in Wolfman/Perez NTT were mostly 18+, you can't exactly do the same type of stories with younger teens

Unless they aged up the current cast a little I don't know who they'd stick on a team like that, there's not many heroes in the 18-22 range that aren't considered part of the grown up adults

except like... Vibe, Jaime, Stargirl? They're all still 18 or younger though
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>>78166567
That's some of why Gillen made noises about his YA being about being 18-19, right?
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>>78166492
>chen lu by gage
Oh baby. Did I miss a line-- What came of him?
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>>78166527
>What is Ellis doing these days other than Karnak
James Bond
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>>78166582
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>>78166590
The team composition will hold through Gage event tie-ins and then Diggle starts shifting things

You will be mad, I promise, unfortunately. That's why we're reading it all together.
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>>78166582

I always took his "Heinberg's stuff was about being 16 so this is a couple years forward" stuff at face value.
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>>78166567
Vibe is mentioned as 18-19, no idea about Stargirl but Finch was drawing her on the VERY mature side. Jaime is probably on the median age.
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>>78166403
>>78166436
So, this just escalated from Songbird vs Moonstone to Songbird vs Pretty Much Everyone.

I'm starting to see why Songbird/Diamondback is so obsessed with her. She is pretty great. Solo book with Troll as sidekick when?
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>>78166560

Riding it hard? They bent over backwards to let KSD do whatever she wanted without sicking her fat dyehaired fandom on twitter.

CM run cancellation numbers for 90% of its run, and it was forced on life support, because Mahvel simply could not admit defeat from it "strong independent womyn" book, and shills it hard to this day on its every other book
Kamala Kahn outshines CM in a way that is just pathetic. Carol should be the one named after her
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>>78166635
Arnim Zola is some wacky crazy shit

I didn't really get into Remender Cap, but I was pretty amused/annoyed by some MCU first fans who were all "WTF is this stuff doing in a Cap book?"
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>>78166637
Oh, no, I mean it not as a CYA thing, but in part because he could do the stories about sexuality he clearly wanted to in part because they were older

>>78166659
I know they kept it alive, but I wonder if they dictated direction.
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>>78166663
Thunderbolts and Arnim, like the good ol days, I suppose.
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>>78166663
COMICS is why.
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>>78166690
For all the particular vocal if small fanbase enthusiasm, Captain Marvel has never felt like someone's baby in the writing in a way that Totally Awesome Hulk clearly is, or even the current Angela book
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>>78166722
If they'd read something, it was also mostly Bru (for Bucky) or Waid's Man Out of Time, so they wanted spy shenanigans and didn't expect gonzo pulp SF
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>>78166690
>Wagner, the German with sonic powers.
Pfft!
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>>78166750
>>78166769
INORITE
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>>78166724
KSD's run mostly felt like marketing's pet project and KSD just had to pump out something light and easily rebloggable
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>>78166690
Dammit Norman.
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>>78163761
honestly I could kind of see them doing a Thunderbolts movie that was also MCU Norman's debut
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>>78166790
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>>78166724
Amadeus ran through a hell of a character arc throughout the years. He was a kid back in the coyote pup days, but he's completely changed his trajectory since playing with Herc, and now the powers look like they're nudging him into becoming the very guy he used to be nothing like.

And then you look at Herc and where he's going, and the two of them have come full-circle. I mean, Amadeus is still a Hulk ally and Banner fanboy at the core, but he never spent quality time with him like he did Herc.
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>>78166843
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>>78163821
you don't really need to pull them from anything. You can just say 'Here's X, they got busted by hero Y for crime Z' and that's all the audience needs to know for when they yell 'I bet Stark did this' in response to having their sitting privileges revokes.
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>>78166857
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>>78166857
ouch
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>>78166887
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>>78166724

Nah, they didn't do shit.

Probably scared of how c'ucked she kept fraction around her leash
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>>78166790
Did Andreas decide to not be a supervillain just to piss off his dad?
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>>78166901
>we've seen this hentai
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>>78166911
He's been a supervillain, he just wants his sister back more than anything
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Reactions to Capt Marvel make me happy KSD got to do a run with Capt Marvel
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>>78166876
That makes it lose all its impact though.
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>>78166942
I didn't read much of v2 but v1 was just so dull. Lots and lots of "Oh Carol, you're my amazing role model!" and none of how we got there.
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>>78166973
And I think the mindwipe was cowardly. The better way to deal with Avengers #200 would be to ignore it rather than engage with it at all.
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>>78167008
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>>78166973
>Carol Corps is about Carol and her fanclub
>not about Carol forming a team of her old Air Force buddies and kicking ass
For what purpose?
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>>78166973

Best "You're my role model" moment ever was in Avengers Initiative with Hank Pym
A super villain delivered it to him
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>>78166973

V2 was a lot better imo. Carol doing space diplomacy/dealing with fallout from Infinity, fun with Lila Cheney. Then Black Mirror happened and i bounced. Also much better art than v1. I vaguly remember rumors that the original dude with that muddy style and KSD didn't work well together.

no mind blowing amazing comics but they're fine cape stuff.

>>78167008

Agree about that. I couldn't believe it happened.
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>>78167024
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>>78167061

Wasn't that the one where she goes to a planet where there's a fat yellow rasta haired lesbian who is also a good mechanic and insists you must refer to her as GOODDESS?


Yeah, that book was shit. Illuminating Comics is where it's at
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>>78167008
>Avengers #200
Storyteller, tell me straight up. How much booze would it take? Because I think I know you reasonably well enough to know you, on some level, want to do it some day.
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>>78167129
>GOODDESS
Granny?
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>>78167133
Guaranteed delivery to my door.
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>>78167100
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>>78167133
>>78167160

At least it's just the one issue, maybe the annual where Claremont saved her too.
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>>78167172
One more!

>>78167160
also, something like, not super cheap

no Popov, no Wolfschmidt, etc.
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>>78167129
>a fat yellow rasta haired lesbian who is also a good mechanic and insists you must refer to her as GOODDESS
..... What.
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>>78167209
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>>78167222
This is reminding me of Ostrander's RAISE THE FLAG and Waller being Chemo
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>>78167220

Pic related

Sorry storytimebro
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i'm biting my lip off to stop from continuing this argument
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>>78167279
no prob

Illuminating COmics is always welcome here
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>>78167209
So you'd need some of the good shit then. Fair enough.

Also, I'm reasonably certain that SOP would attract some.... unsavory guests. (Because this is 4chan after all, and the fedoras would come out of the wood works to heap praise on it.)
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>>78167324
arguments are ALSO always welcome here, keep it nice or I'll turn this thread around and take it home, etc.

>>78167359
Eh, we haven't been too plagued in the past, even Identity Crisis Time
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>>78167324
just post anon
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>>78167172
>>78167209


Is there a missing page somewhere around here?
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>>78167373
>six legs front and back

Did the symbiote bond with Ant-man?
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>>78167404
Awwww, fuck, my bad

LAST PAGE OF THE RADIOACTIVE MAN STORY, HERE
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>>78167373
Venom's spider symbol was never known for being anatomically accurate, but the way this artist draws it really fucking triggers me.
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>>78167373

You eat ONE civilian...
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>>78167359
>the fedoras would come out of the wood works to heap praise on it
I doubt it.
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