How's Your Webcomic? #218

Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo

Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>>78081525

YO, You forgot bones,

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE

What if we just stop mentioning him altogether?

>>78082023
I assume nobody does and it's just him posting that.

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>>78082023
But didn't you just mention him?

>>78082023
Dude needs to be shamed off this website already.
I'd constantly redline his comics to show him how bad he is, but it seems like too much effort for such a worthless faggot.

>>78082059
You assume right. Or at least whoever is posting that has gone well beyond any doubt as to it being trolling and/or autism.

>>78082081
>>78082059
>>78082023

Newfags are going to respond to him.

It is better just leave a warning for future users.

>>78082081
You don't know who I mentioned. I could be talking about anybody.

Activity idea: draw your character(s) decorating a Christmas tree.

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>>78082223

That is boring.

Your character is now in lantern corps. What kind of lantern they will be?

>>78082428
That is boring and also has been done to death both here and in the /co/ General Drawthreads.

>>78082428
>that's boring
>anything lantern-corp

hoo boy

>>78082223
perhaps christmas cookies based off of your comic?

what is the secret to webcomics?

>>78082521
Only if your character is baking them.

>>78082538
Pander

>>78082521
How about anything Christmas related? Also maybe wait until the next thread, because OP already suggested on.

The nice thing about these activities is everybody doing the same one.

you guys know we have an activity in the OP to consider too right
>>78082521
oh fuck i like that even better

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Batoto reacting to my nazi waifu from my new webcomic.

>>78082651
i agree, and yet i also want people to have options
and i REALLY want to see newcomers doing some of the old activities.

>>78082707
oh no, anon, you've been accused of tastelessness! how will you ever recover?

>>78082659
>implying anybody actually teads the OP

>>78082707
They're just jelly because they can't waifu her.

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>>78082707

>>78082709
We should make an open Google spreadsheet with all the old activities, and have it so that any artist can write down which ones he's done. That way even latecomers can join in on the fun, and we could compare how everyone handled the different challenges.

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Looking to get some feedback in a title I'm writing/colouring while a buddy pencils/inks.

>the pitch
A Thunderbirds style team action story, introduced with some standard violence and explosions. They're a private rescue outfit who use a fleet of high-tech emergency vehicles to save the day, run by a father and his son.

>progress?
First page is mostly done, a twenty-seven page 'first issue' has been scripted through. Lot of design sketches from either me (the ugly ones), artist buddy (the neater ones), or vehicle designer buddy (the technical ones), showcasing some of those here.

>not much to go on yet, I know, but hopefully be able to show progress on this quite rapidly as we build momentum.
>Starting to think about sorting a website for this, some good info in the OP, appreciated.

>>78082790
if we werent so lazy i bet we'd all love to do that

>>78082843
cool ship
thunderbirds type story? that's gonna get boring to me I think. I don't really get excited by seeing people get rescued

>>78082707
You were expecting people to take your wehraboo comic seriously?

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>Ded Burd

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>>78082843

Page 1.

Any advice on doing speech bubbles and lettering? Any good license-free fonts people like using?

Any way to get speech bubbles without drawing them that doesn't look too disjointed and out-of-place on the artwork?

>>78082876

Yeah, I feel a bit cheap having them fight a clear villain and henchmen (the SPOOK squad on page one).

I'd really like to do a story where there isn't a villain and the focus is ACTION in a disaster, but I realise that's a challenge.

Team play and human interaction to offset maybe?

>>78082930
>Grid lines on the ground
why am i not surprised. this comic has some really nice angles and stuff

>>78082920
What's a wehraboo?

>>78083032
You uh... might wanna be careful about the name "Spook"

>>78082933
you can use round-edged bubbles and stuff.
>>78083032
very yes! human interaction makes it interesting
>>78083059
what is this, the 60s? spook stopped being a naughty word decades before BOOGiE was still being used in that context

>>78083059
What's he supposed to say, Gman? Isn't that a bit overused?

>>78082538

Hard work, dedication, passion and self discipline

>>78083079
>>78083105
I'm just saying there's a chance they'll get flak for it later on.

>>78083058
A westerner, usually american, who's obsessed with Nazi Germany culture, despite little understanding of the subject.

Usually, but not necessarily, a neo-nazi.

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>>78082933
>Any good license-free fonts people like using?

blambot.com
Free fonts for comic makers. This could probably do with adding to the Goodie Bag.

Speechballoon wise, if you're using Photoshop or Manga/Clip Studio, then you'll need to know how to use the vector path tool to add and adjust control points. Don't make perfect ellipses.


>>78083058
Like a Weeaboo but for the Wehrmacht.


>>78083138
Pic related

>>78083172

FINALLLY.

I been asking for this for months.

>>78083059

I was kind of banking on the readership likely to take offence at that being long dead at this point.

I could be wrong, but I think the spy/Cold War connotation is a bit more the first response these days.

Plus to these Limey ears it sounds like a cheap knock-off of SPECTRE, like a childish Beano version, which was vaguely my reasoning behind it.

>>78083165
I'm nordic, though. I understand very much about nazi germany, as my entire country was occupied during the war.

>>78083044
Fucking perspective. How does it work?

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>>78082920
At least he's not this guy.

>>78083165
isn't everyone obsessed with the nazis? multiple TV channels dedicated to them, every videogame having at least a little nazi swag in, mandatory school subject every year..
there are whole countries dedicated to blocking any reference to them, that's pretty obsessed

>>78083172

Good advice, thanks. Will be putting it to the test with page two soon.

Keep trying that myscriptfont in the Goodie Bag, makes me appreciate letterers and typographers all the more.

>>78083311
... it hurts, please stop anon.

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>>78083311

>>78083311
How do we avoid becoming like this?

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>>78083311

Goddamn it, It is almost like we have mention all the cringe artists.

>>78083392
If it sounds like a shit-in-your-hand retarded idea, it most likely is. And people will smell just how retarded it truly is.

>>78083138
You know, I'd like to think this, but look at how successful Tim Buckley is.

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>>78083392
If you ask how to avoid becoming like this, you will never become like this, because you have the brain capacity to see how retarded it is.

Don't get brain damage.

>>78083392
Don't draw your weird fetishes.

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>>78083311
>having shit fetishes
That's not really anything ne-
>posting them to facebook
-ver go full retarded.

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>>78083454

I normally treat it as a hobby.

>I got nothing to do.
>I guess I can make a great story and stuff.

>>78083454
>fuckley showing off his new cintiq in a video
>he's dragging and dropping predrawn assets of the faces to create his comics

>>78083311
>insert my fetish into my webcomic
>do it real subtle

No one will ever know!

>>78083520
You've still gotta work on your English, man. Proofreading anons won't be around forever.

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>>78083831

This isn't a cringe thread man. You need to stop posting garage.

>>78083724

Shit, You are right. Proofreading is always boring and I always miss my mark.

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sketches for something I'm thinking of starting

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>>78081562
Could you puddingheads get one thread right pls

>>78084815
We're getting these threads wrong solely to piss you off and for no other reason.

>>78084815

Looks like we got a volunteer to start the next thread!

>>78083518
it's not as if that's even his fetish, he just said he saw it somewhere and decided to do it too
that's just being-a-kid

>>78083724
but he didnt make any mistakes in that post

>>78084815
ima be honest
i left it out because the previous thread left it out and i didnt feel like digging
i dont think that advice is as good as it's cracked up to be anyway. though it's the kind of thing a person would write only when they had good ways of thinking about writing

>>78085359

You lazy fuck.

Anyone wanted to be the new OP?

What's the most successful webcomic to come out of these threads?

>>78085686

Kill 6 billions denoms.

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Crappy doodle of Mimi's roomatew. The small one is the one in her mouth.

>>78085670
nope, it was me or nobody
and i'm usually the one egging others to do it but refusing to do it myself because lazy.
funny thing about the subject feld, i can see which ones I've done.. at least recently
160, 164, 170, 175, 180, 188, 208, 215..

>>78083908
>This isn't a cringe thread man
Yes it is. Haven't you looked at the craptacular comics here or the Bones disclaimer? This thread is /co/'s equivalent to the cesspool on dA where all cringey ideas come from.

>>78085797
>i'm usually the one egging others to do it but refusing to do it myself because lazy

I can verify this.

>>78085805

At-least, They are working on it.

But, If you posting cringe comics. It just shoot down the moral in this thread.

>>78085329
It's something he needs to be reminded of as often as possible because it's the only way he's going to learn to do it.

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Trying to make a short comic named Sunday Night Loser Fight.

It's about six individuals who have the same reoccurring dream every sunday: they're contestants on an alien reality show where they have to fight an alien beast each episode.

The only thing the contestants have in common is that they are complete losers, and have been determined to go nowhere in life.

The contestants consist of three different species, with someone representing the male and female gender of each.

At the start of the whole thing, they all have to play rock paper scissors for six pieces of special equipment that may help them win, but if they tie no one gets the equipment.

>>78085950

Oh, What do you think of the design?

(>>78083520), I tried to make her as sexy as possible. (Maybe I should ask sexy-verse)

>>78085961
>have to design different beasts, races, alien equipment, settings
This sounds like an astronomical amount of work. Are you doing this solo?

>>78085950
learning new language skills past childhood is very difficult. you didnt phrase that as a reminder. you said 'still'

>>78086011
i like baggy outfits, bare feet, monster hoods, and bare sides (a rarity but always appreciated) so in general these monster jammyjams are good. your art isn't quite at the level of 'sexy' being a possibility yet, but don't give up.

>>78085961
sounds like a much, MUCH more interesting version of Gantz

>>78085717
It was around before these threads.

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>>78085725
Better drawing

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www.wondercomics.org/hot007

Any criticism, advice, or just notes in general would be greatly appreciated.

>>78086025

Yes, but the idea is that it's an outlet for me stylistically. I just wanted something where I could draw all sorts of crazy looking alien beasts/people.

As for the alien races and equipment - aside from general ideas - I'm making it up as I go.

>>78086110

I've actually never read Gantz. I'm mainly trying to make something based off of a lot of my stylistic inspirations from music and games.

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>>78086090

Yeah, I need to study the boobs and the facial area.

>>78086623
sounds good bruh, it's good work if you enjoy it

>>78086361
I kind of like aspects of both of them

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>>78086011
>Maybe I should ask sexy-verse

I'm not much of an artist but I'd suggest playing up on her snaky type of look. Have her body curve about from time to time. The costume is screaming for sideboob exposure. And showing the collarbone would be a good addition.

>>78083454
>You know, I'd like to think this, but look at how successful Tim Buckley is.
Are you stuck in 2009? Buckley's just making an average inoffensive videogame comic with regular updates these days, he seems at least as hard-working at his comic as the posters in this thread are (or claim to be, not a lot of comics being posted here these days).

Less excuses and more work anon, maybe you'll be raking in that money some day too.

>>78086812
Oh which ones? They are going to be in the intro comic so I'd like to get them ready.

>>78085717
Got started on the Homestuck forums ages ago, the creator just came here and to the SA forums' comic creation threads to shill for easy compliments once the comic was already going.

>>78086986
It's kinda subtle and hard to say. is the girl going to keep dark hair regardless? because that looks good on her. and I like her shoes better in the darkhaired version of her. I think the shorts look cooler but the skirt is a better idea in general.. but hey people can change clothes right.
ducktailhairguy i can't decide if the dot eyes or the other eyes work better on him. I would say change his expression based on emotion?
Tall guy looks better when he's super tall, and the taller version has better footwear too.

>>78087119
The girl is keeping her dark hair and black shirt. I just got lazy. She's actually wearing shorts and socks in both. I think for panic guy he will have the bigger eyes when he's nervous and dot eyes when he's not if that makes any sense

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Sisters updated. 4 pages.
http://thesisters-comic.com/
http://tapastic.com/episode/239874

Conrad gets fed up with New Mexico, probably because he had to wear a suit and frankly his whole scheme has gotten sidelined after being told to kill Scott. Not that he isn't a terrible person, he just preferred his method of being "too good to be true boyfriend" rather than the whole "let's put fear on the table and murder a guy" plan. But what is done is done.

>>78086361
>>78085725
Tall glasses vamp type is cute. I could see the deadpan expression of glee as someone is disemboweled in front of her. She probably works at the Gap.

Panic guy has a bit of Jim to him, though perhaps I'm just seeing things. Might be the hair. But I like it in general.

>>78083454
There will always be people who don't try and succeed, they're usually the exception rather than the rule. Try your best, if only because putting out more shit is kind of...a crowded market.

Something with a shred of integrity is a bit rarer.

>>78087559
Oh gosh panic guy is pretty Jim! The roomies are basically sexy fake goth, actually scary goth and emo tard.

>>78087559
>you are GETTING a hug, dammit.
Nice pages man. seems like talking in the b-room is a terrible idea, shit will be audible as all fuck. and whatever he did at the end (seriously what? what did he see out the window? what even? why use a hammer? damn cliffhangers.) will be VERY audible
Wtf is new mexico's deal with dogs? why do they want him killin those? is it part of a spell or something?

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update

belongingtonbody.tumblr.com

Things are coming along pretty quickly now. Might be done with the chapter by the holidays, which would be nice.

>>78087785
>what did he see out the window? what even? why use a hammer? damn cliffhangers.) will be VERY audible

>Wtf is new mexico's deal with dogs? why do they want him killin those? is it part of a spell or something?

Oh that's next week. Legit. Some creative shapeshifting, violence, and nastiness.

Every problem looks like a nail when all you have is a hammer, and considering the various things a shapeshifter could do (like really, killing Scott and infiltrating would've been a better idea) Conrad is a bit slow on the upkeep.

Nothing out the window, just rain. Conrad is getting pissed off. He's using a hammer for destructive purposes, it will be very very audible for good reasons.

In slasher movie terms, the slasher is getting sick of all the being seen behind trees in the woods scenes and now he's opted to bang his machete on the front door and see what happens. Probably to piss off New Mexico or at least convince them that he knows what he is doing.

>New Mexico's deal with dogs.
Well, it is less dogs in general and more the very one specific dog the girls happen to have in the house. Plus Conrad said he doesn't like to kill dogs. But it'll be addressed.

>>78087944
ooooh crackly glowy red shields. dig it.

>>78087980
>it'll be addressed
alright you've given us ample reason to trust ya. That's why threads like this are cool. if tv had this, there'd be a lot less disappointment and suspicion. especially x-files and lost and shit like that.

note to self though: don't tell rrl bad guys the one thing you're not willing to do.. They're bad. they'll keep harping on it. they don't wanna make friends. or at best they'll push you right to that limit. fuckin apokalips is behind this shit innit

>>78085686
Define "successful" plz.

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Repost my comic but with words.

>>78089212
large readership and fan base?

>>78089474
need to watch*
as for the rest of that i have no idea what his show is or how to properly describe it
how did he get cut inside his suit? is that not a transparent faceplate? I assumed because it turned him blue it was some kind of plastic or glass

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>>78089474

I going to post my last page.

Also, It is just plastic.

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Finally added panel 1 to this.

>>78089730
Props for not taking the "Purrfect" pun.

>>78089784
I take the low hanging fruit but I don't grab balls lying on the floor.

>>78089868
good policy. source: i have been apple picking.

>>78089567

Also, Sorry, I didn't reply to you.

It is plastic that is making him blue. Thank you for the proofreading. Do you want to hear my concept of my chapter?

>>78089891
I have too. The apples on the floor tend to have worms or awful bruises.

>>78089868
I agree with >>78089891
Source: I grab balls for a living.

>>78089938
sure, that would help explain what's going on
i dont get how something cut him through the plastic and made him bleed out of it...

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>>78089730
Kek

How can you tell if your webcomic is shit and your fans are actually idiots?

>>78090290
>How can you tell if your webcomic is shit and your fans are actually idiots?

Look at the naruto fandom.

>>78090290
Whats your webcomic. I'll let you know

>>78090676

That is pretty funny.

You sir, You are the comic of the this thread.

(Old?) font guides for anyone interested
http://prettyanonymo.us/index.php/scanlation-resources/

>>78090726
aw shucks, thank you.
>>78090800
this that good shit mang

>>78090758
i am going to start checking.. every time

>>78087944
So are you going to answer the question?

>>78090726
You're kidding, right?

>>78091558

Well, I am cheering him on.

>>78091053
I guess I'll sort of address it. Not going to answer it, since spoilers. Give me a few more pages and another non-sequential art piece I want to draw first, then I'll make an official post about where things are going over the next few chapters.

I had originally hoped that if I ever went there I'd have a big enough of a following that it would create a real stir, but I suppose that's not going to happen.

>>78082930
Fug you jamil

Cmon guys

>>78085686
Probably Dewd's comic.

>>78085686
Demon's Mirror?

>>78085717
K6BD started on the MSPA forums.

>>78087019
Jealous much?

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>Mfw life keeps getting in the way of making my webcomic.

I want to restart my webcomic since I started my first pass.

>>78095486
Got a website?
Just keep making new pages, there's no point starting over

>>78095607
http://ophthalmia.thecomicseries.com/archive/

I want to start over for a multitude of reasons.

I want to start the story differently
The pages I have so far left some readers lost
The dialogue and art are terrible.

I basically dove head first into making the comic without planning ahead.

Trying to get back into webcomics after a few years off, something high fantasy related.

When it comes to travelling parties, how big is too big, and how small is too small? I wanted my main cast to be somewhat diverse yet still representative of the fantasy genre, so I wanted the party to have four members but that number could potentially be cut down to three if I eliminate the Straight Man archetype character. With only three characters, however, I'm worried that their interactions will become too repetitive off their individual gimmicks.

As a general thing I've noticed, however, is that the optimal size in popular media for a fantasy party seems to be 5 so it has enough room to accommodate different archetypes.

What does /HYW/ think? Is 5 truly the optimal size? Is 3 too few? What examples of different functioning party sizes exist?

>>78096799

Five is probably an optimal size in games (both video and tabletop), but could be unwieldy when it comes to telling stories.

Off the top of my head:
Robert E Howard's Conan was solo.
Fritz Lieber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser were a double act.
The Fellowship of the Ring may have set out as a party of nine, but were later split up into twos and threes.

For my own fantasy gag strips, I have a duo (and I'm beginning to add recurring supporting cast).

It's probably best to come up with a few strong personalities/characters, than have many weak ones; three characters with two traits each, rather than five one-dimensional types.

Think about what group sizes and character types work in other media. Comedy often has double acts and trios. Shows with larger ensemble casts usually focus on one or two at a time, occasionally having everyone together.

>>78097198
>three characters with two traits each, rather than five one-dimensional types
Why not five characters with two traits?
I don't understand the exclusionary nature of the way you're speaking.

>>78097329
In my opinion, if you have an abundance of complex characters it will just take a while to fully explore them all. Having fewer detailed characters allows you to have more focus.

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Posting a WIP I'll never finish. I should have really just made my comic about two weird children being weird together. I'd be drowning in munny right now.

How do you avoid putting your characters on the boat...

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Making my characters cuter everyday.

>>78097431
But you're supposed to really focus on the protagonist and even antagonist in a story, not party members even if they contribute significantly to the progression of the story.
That's where none of that exclusionary talk makes sense, as what difference does it make to have three 2D characters or five when you have a main character to focus on? If anything that would support the argument for less development for characters who aren't the protagonist.

In the LotR movies, for example, all we really get from Gimli and Legolas is that they are friendly rivals. They aren't fleshed out, but are easily more fun to see than the fleshed out characters like Aragorn who have become humdrum by the last film because of their overdevelopment.

I think if you're arguing character definition versus character quantity it's all a wash until you hit 7 or more side characters, but either way my question was a generality referring to cohesiveness of a group rather than their individual characters.

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Not a comic page but I got an update! Now time to make my rounds!

>>78089730

Hilarious!

>>78090676

Yes.

>>78095486

Creepy and possibly something that vorefags would fap to.

>>78095695

Were you going for androgynous because I'm not 100% what their gender is. Not that I'm complaining or anything.

>>78097687

FINISH IT or draw porn of them

>>78098338

Dewd I dare you to do a page just like that. You don't even have to crack out the crayons.

>>78096799
For a webcomic, simple is best. Having too many characters can get confusing fast for first time readers. Unless there's a real need in the story for all of these characters, you should start from a couple and see if it works first before adding more.

2-3 is ideal for humor. Some jokes can be funnier with a second funny man supporting the first. I'm not sure why you would cut out the straight man character, a lot of jokes are heightened by a straight man. But these 3 don't have to rigidly fit into the funny/straight man roles, you can have them alternate depending on the circumstances of the joke.

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My comic continues to update, working on it is slow progress in my free time, new years Christmas and new year parties strips to do in the next weeks before i hit 100 strips at last.

>>78092651
it may not be big enough in terms of numbers but it's a big enough following in terms of interest!

>>78095486
Oh hey it's you again! last I saw you had changed the art style up, and it looks like you did again. Which you already had several times in the past anyway. But.. none of the new stuff is up on the site. Is none of it finished? It looks finished

>>78095762
>Terrible
my ass. I like every stage of the art so far. the oldest art was the cutest, the newer stuff as of the last time you stopped updating had a nice look to it, and the newer stuff you haven't posted yet is really starting to get expressive

>>78096799
4 is freakin perfect

>>78097687
my siiiides
>>78098063
what boat is that

>>78095762
wait wait. this isn't the smackjeeves site. this one has even FEWER comics on it. Which one is your main site?

>>78098886
Alright, I can do that

>>78101144
in fact if i recall, you have done pencil pages before

>>78101316
Yeah, I did it for all of chapter 11, and I did the first two pages in water color

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>tfw my tumblr gets 1-2 new followers a day and they're not follow/like spamming porn blogs

Got 107 followers to my 95 posts but I'll admit about 10-15 are porn blogs that just follower everyone.

>>78101338

Depending on how good it looks, I might say you should stick with that. It'll be good to see.

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Here's that comic done in pencil.

>>78101565
I've got 23 followers. I haven't had a new follower in months.

>>78101565
post comic

>>78101565

That sounds pretty cool anon who I'm going to assume is a very handsome guy!

>>78101592

: (

>>78101595

Do what I do. Tag your shit to hell and post often.

>>78101592
Now draw them holding hands.

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>>78101601

Ha, joke's on you! It was me!

>>78101667
nevermind then

>>78086917

Aw shit, I didn't notice you.

Thank you, I am going to draw it after I going to outline my comic.

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Been working on a story for a good while now, here's some sketches of the main characters.

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>>78101648
Here you go, you sick mother fucker.

>>78099744
>I'm not sure why you would cut out the straight man character, a lot of jokes are heightened by a straight man
I guess it would help if I explain a bit about the story idea I have, since it's not meant to be completely funny OR completely serious.

The protagonist is a "human" female warrior who travels from plane to plane fighting extradimensional C'thonic monsters and those that draw from their power. She is somewhat of a straight man character in that she is more serious than those around her, but she is smug and arrogant enough not to fall squarely into that archetype.

The two supporting party members I've decided will be joining her are a 10 year old human squireboy and a sex crazed female elf rogue. The elf often tries to perv on the warrior by doing things like spy on her and the squireboy, who is "too chivalrous for this shit", usually ends up getting blamed for her shenanigans. While the elf is meant to be a complete oddball the squireboy is meant to be more serious, yet not a complete straight man since he's still a boy. The two are meant to play off one another since the boy is honorable and brave while the elf is a sneaky coward.

The actual Straight Man archetype I've been contemplating is a massive male orc warrior. Rather than being a brooding beast or a savage monster I draw inspiration for his personality from bushido and other warrior cultures. He's meant to be a quiet meditative person that is a pariah among his people and now wanders the wastes as a kind of travelling ronin. He is meant to be the true straight man of the party who speaks with the wisdom of a noble, and the only other "good" character that can rival the protagonist's strength.

Since the protagonist is almost a straight man already I thought it might not be necessary to have the orc as an actual party member, and instead relegate him to an integral side character status.

Cont'd

>>78101629
Tag with what? It's not a porn comic.

>>78101565
So, how good was >>78101592?

>>78101858
that sounds pretty good to me.
and remember, as bob's burgers showed us, the straight man can still be funny and have his quirks. he just has a better grasp on when it's important to get serious

>>78101858
Keeping the orc around adds that second powerful member to the group, and adds a contrast by which the protagonist can seem flawed compared to.

In any event, the characters aren't meant to be introduced all at once. The reader meets the elf and boy first, then the hero and the villain, then shortly thereafter the orc.

>>78101845
MODS!
MOOOOOOOODS!!!!

>>78101883

Anything that it is. Webcomic, whatever the genre is, anything that is part of like Western and guns and stuff.

Also helps to do fanart and tag that to hell. The goal is to make your posts easier to find.

>>78101886

I want to see and/or draw porn of them.

I mean, it's cute and a little sad.

>>78101945
Well, I meant if you thought if it was good enough to draw like that style forever and stuff.

But yeah, there is porn for you to see, and your fanart is always appreciated!

>>78101845
>Annabeth shaking
Cute!

>>78102003

It'd be good for little side comics. Maybe on the usual days you don't update.

>>78102032
I'll just do it for the comics on the side stuff with bonus content, West Tree, Let's Get Real.

>tfw someone tells you your comic is shit
How do you deal with these feels?

>>78102422
git gud

>>78102422
Tell him he's a retard for not getting your comics and to never read your stuff again.

>>78102422
ask for specifics. if he can give them, address them (explaining why those are part of the appeal is unlikely to work with him, but likely to be the most correct answer)
if he can't, ignore him

>>78102422
Get used to it, take it from me.

>>78102422
I check my comic's stats to see if anybody actually read it.

They usually haven't.

>>78102782
It's part of the game I think. Don't get depressed and put more content up.

>>78101844

I really like this style! It's not something you see everyday.

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Here's the WIP for the next page!

>>78103114
i reckon metal demons would be vulnerable to extreme temperatures. they'd seize up in cold wouldnt they
also anna is brown. and brown people cant handle snow

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>>78098886
Not going for androgynous but he is pretty femmey and also this (patron-steered extra) happened, so seems legit.

>>78103143
>they'd seize up in cold wouldnt they
Metals conduct electricity best at cold temperatures, so no actually. Heat is the enemy of metal.

>>78103291
Yeah, that's true, but Annabeth is still kinda human, and he's wearing only a short sleeved shirt and shorts.

Basically, Annabeth can't get to warm or too cold.

Is it worth trying another hosting site if I'm not getting any readers at my current one?

>>78103459
No, because you won't get any readers at that one either. Your problem is not related to the site you put your comic on.

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>>78102865
Thanks! The final comic won't be as messy but it will still have somewhat same look. My current goal is to release the first chapter by end of the month or in January.

>>78103487
Well then what's my problem?

>>78103699
How long have you been making the comic

>>78103699
I'd need to see your comic and know all about you as a person and as a comic maker, as well as know the history of your comic, in order to answer that.

>>78103749
So you don't know what my comic is, but you know why it's failing? How interesting.

>>78103786
>>78103699
>>78103459
>mad that he isn't getting readers and blames it on the website before getting upset at others
Holy fuck kill yourself and never draw anything again

>>78103836
>I was only pretending to know what I'm talking about and was just being a cunt the whole time

You don't say.

>>78103291
yeah they conduct electricity but they stop flowing. they get hard and brittle. anna wouldnt be able to shapeshift very well

>>78103786
Are you retarded? Do you think the website you picked is somehow preventing people from reading your comic? Do you think they're somehow redirecting your traffic?

The problem is something you're doing, whether it's your shit comic, shit personality, shit advertising, or shit design. If you want help improving those things, post your shit and explain the situation instead of crying like a bitch when someone tries to help you.

>>78103699
It could be a lot of problems.

Bad art, bad writing, lack of advertising, advertising in the wrong places, etc.

Unless you post your comic we have no way of knowing.

>>78090290
>How can you tell if your webcomic is shit and your fans are actually idiots?
If you manage to get any fans at all it's already less shit than all the webcomics that get no fans. Congrats.

>>78103902
On that note, never get complacent.

Just because you HAVE fans doesn't mean there isn't tons of room for improvement. Always be hungry for ways to improve your stuff.

>>78103882
>someone tries to help you

Nobody tried to help anybody. Certainly not anybody who actually knows what they're talking about.

>>78103965
Then don't ask for help, you're obviously on the right track with your non-existent fanbase since you need to ask a board on 4chan if you should switch sites to get more traffic.

>>78103965
We literally cannot answer your question without more information. The only way to GET more information is for you to post your comic.

>>78103965
I asked before
how long have you been making the comic?
what genre is your comic

>>78104005
I feel like it's Dobson trying to hide that he's Dobson.

>>78103965
How hard is it for you to just post some pages here? Just post some pages so we can take a look at them. I mean it's a simple as that.

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>someone legitimately believes his website host is what's stopping him from getting readers

>>78102422
cry about it on /co to get pats on the back.
Life isn't a hugbox anon.

>>78103965
I believe you bro. I think I know what you mean, I had the same issue before too.

What website host are you currently using?

>>78104095
well what if it was tumblr

>>78103786
From your posts alone I'd say your retardation is what's keeping you from getting new readers.

>>78104066
Right back at you. Let's see your webcomic if you really know what you're talking about.

>>78104018
I feel like Bones is being an anonymous hypocrite again.

>>78104138
tumblr is great for sharing, and very popular. if your comic is failing it's not because of tumblr. unless it's something like an edgy anti-sjw comic

>>78104138
>well what if it was tumblr
If his layout settings make it impossible for new readers to browse the comic then that's a problem, but then he needs to change the settings and stop blaming tumblr for preventing him from getting readers.

>>78104146
>There's a problem with your comic
>Oh? What problem is that?
>I... I don't know... fuck you for asking!

You're unfit to judge mental competence.

>>78104221
Guys
What if Dobson is Bones

>>78104138
Tumblr has a very specific aesthetic for what gets popular.

They usually want things that are generally applicable, that is to say, something that everyone can relate to. They also vastly prefer humor or gags over story comics.

With Ennui GO!, my tumblr notes are pretty stable, whereas my smackjeeves readership has been steadily increasing.

>>78104268
You dense motherfucker. We don't know what the problem is because you're giving us no info other than

>I have a comic
>It has no readers

What the fuck are we supposed to tell you?

>>78104284
Couldn't be. Dobson draws better, is literate, and isn't as much of a cunt.

>>78104099
>>78102422
> tfw family and older brother have always been super harsh about my drawings
> always stressing how I might go nowhere when I decided to make comics
> I stopped showing them shit eventually and I kept all my drawings to myself
> The other day I tell them I have an online comic
> I talk to them about publishing methods on the internet, KS Patreon etc.
> I decide to show them the comic
> my brother goes silently through every page on a tablet
> I anticipate some nasty deadpan comment
> "These drawings are fantastic."
> "Holy shit really?"
> "Yeah. This looks like it could be published"
> I haven't gotten a "talk" about my crazy comics career idea since then
> everyone is visibly more relaxed about me
> now I'm both excited and nervous because I'm taken seriously

>>78104268
You complained that your comic gets no readers and asked if the problem is your webhost. Everyone promptly told you that the webhost is unlikely the source of your lack of success and that it's either something about your comic or yourself that's the issue.

You've yet to show us your comic so all we can judge is your mannerism, which so far has been poor and off-putting.

Link to your comic or stop crying.

>>78104221
This would actually make sense considering he barely showed up last thread when generally he's insufferably incapable of fucking off.

>>78104234
I'm not saying they'd be right, but that's the only thing i can imagine a person thinking would hurt them about their host.

>>78104364
aint that nice
i still remember around 2004 when it was impressive to people that i had my own website, let alone a comic
i mean it wasnt even my own site.. it was tripod.

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The 4th panel is giving me issues so I'm ignoring it for now. Did the other panels though. As per mooses idea the magical stuff she leaves behind when she runs away is a path of spiders.

>>78104461
Work on your hands. They're almost good. I mean that as a compliment.

>>78104461
>your from
also i love this guy

>>78104397
Early internet was cool. I remember I had a fansite made in terrible HTML that took 10 minutes to download. I was so proud of the buttons doing a shitty lens flare gif on mouseover

what is the story with this bones guy and why is his webcomic so shit?

>>78104497
Almost good isn't a compliment but I'll keep that in mind.
>>78104497
Thanks for the grammer correction. Will fix! This guy ended up being my favorite side person.

>>78104266
It's getting the new readers that's a bitch with tumblr. Once you get a few they start reblogging and it starts to snowball, but if nobody knows it's there they're not going to find it in the first place.

>>78104538
You know those really cringy autistic guys on deviantart? The ones that haven't improved since the 3rd grade despite being in his thirties. Can barely speak English despite it being his only language. Thinks that anime Yu-Gi-Oh style card games are the height of literature?

Well he's literally one of those guys but he also comes here to shitpost.

>>78104579
Hands are incredibly difficult to draw. One of the most difficult parts on the human body, because there's lots of little bits and they're weirdly asymmetrical. Being almost good is a really good thing. A little more work and it could really improve your cartooning.

>>78104700
that's just an act. also that's not a reason to hate anyone. only the shitposting is.

>>78095159
The Demon's Mirror dude is nominated for two awards on Comics Alliance, you should vote for him.
http://comicsalliance.com/ca-best-of-2015-cast-your-vca-best-of-2015-best-new-webcomic/ A Better Place

http://comicsalliance.com/ca-best-of-2015-outstanding-cartoonist/ Harry Bogosian

>>78104707
Someday...someday

>>78104729
>it's just an act

No, anon. He's not pretending. Nobody spends this much time and effort pretending to be retarded. It's like saying Chrischan was just pranking everybody the whole time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEgdlUuUj5A

>>78104744
Thanks for the heads up!

>>78104819
we've already seen more than adequate indication that it's an act.

>>78104819
Jesus that made me uncomfortable.

>>78104862
Such as?

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>>78104819
>2:26-2:31
This is what I picture an animation by Chris-chan looks like

>>78104953
other drawings that show a higher level of skill
not to mention painfully obvious clues that the way he's drawing this shit is intentional. eyeburning colors, obvious ripoffs, all of that. You kinda have to be there for some of it because it'll subtly be in response to shit people say in the threads. he's incredibly dedicated and pretty clever

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>>78095695
One day we'll get that buffer back.

http://vigormortis.co.uk/

>>78105068
>other drawings that show a higher level of skill
I think it's pretty obvious he traces stuff from other artists.
But that's not the issue here.
Thing is the kind of shit you're saying sounds pretty much like something bones would say, and given bones disappeared.... well, I'm not saying you're bones, but you're bones

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>>78090110

Sorry for this late The concept of the chapter is basically like that Samurai Jack episode with the lion/hunt men.

>The beast king sent out his greatest assassin for jack.
>He did it because Jack assaulted his wife.
>The assassin didn't know where his target live at.
>So, He used his power to cut out all the power through the town. And start scanning through all the houses.
>If he saw a black boy with a blue jacket and named "Jack".
>He will leave a mark on him and hunt him down.

You want me to continue on this? Are you confuse?

>>78105245
>Sorry for this late The concept of the chapter is basically like that Samurai Jack episode with the lion/hunt men.

Damn, I mean "Sorry for this late reply".

>>78105245
ah okay, assassination plot. that works.

>>78105173
Literally worse than Dio

>>78105068
>painfully obvious clues that the way he's drawing this shit is intentional. eyeburning colors, obvious ripoffs, all of that.
Dude have you seen Sonichu
This stuff legitimately exist

>>78105781
fine, don't believe me. nobody ever does at first, everyone does eventually

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>>78105283

Oh thank god, I hoping that I don't screw this one up and everybody going crazy about my stupid comics.

It is all about Dialogue, Plot, Characters.

>>78104461

>I helped

Hoohoo, I can't wait to see it finished~

>>78105809
Name one other person.

>>78098886
>FINISH IT or draw porn of them
I have. So very much but I can't post it anywhere because I'm trash.

How many of you honestly think you'll have a successful webcomic someday, and how many are just doing it as a hobby?

>>78106083
I'm doing it as a hobby. I've got a career.

I'm hoping I'll keep improving and someday I'll make the right connections and hit the big time. I'm not really expecting that to happen, though, it'd be like winning the lottery.

I'd be happy enough that there are people who like my story, and wants to know what happens next.

>>78106083

I probably wouldn't be trying so hard, despite having all these real life obligations, if I didn't think I had a shot at success.

>>78106083
I swing from Schwarzenegger tier motivation to utter disillusionment and hopelessness. If I don't go crazy and stab my drawing hand to a pulp, I can make it.

>>78106083
successful to me is 'people discuss my lore and love my characters and draw them and shit'

>>78106230
This.

If I got to the point where people were having generals of my webcomic on /co/ and starting a new one with every update, I'd consider that making it.

>>78106083

I don't want to be successful. I like being in these threads and work my English and art.

And talking to other artists.

>>78106226
that happens. seems common among artistic types

>>78106807
I have the down swings.

The upswings aren't usually stronger than "OK, I'll make another page today instead of quitting."

>>78106807
I'm very motivated and I know I can make it, but the blue days are giving me a little compassion towards those authors who lose their shit.

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>>78106807
Remember the oath.

>"In fearful day, in raging night, With strong hearts full, our souls ignite. When all seems lost in the War of Light, Look to the stars, for hope burns bright!"

There's gotta be a part you really enjoy... writing the plot, sketching freely, inking, adding colors... anything. If there's no enthusiasm, then the readers won't get excited either.

Drawing comics can be the best job in the world if you know how to enjoy it. Just find the way, put some effort and you're set.

>>78107146
For me it's the story. I'll lie awake at night, sometimes for hours, telling it to myself over and over, revising it and make it better every time.

Drawing it to me is mostly a chore.

>>78107226
I have the same problem... We're eternal dreamers, but we never let the stories out there to be tested.

>>78104819

Chris-Chan Acid Trip Adventures 2016, coming to PC theaters near you!

fuck, apologies to the janitor. forgot this was a blue board. here's the url though. thats ok right?

http://41.media.tumblr.com/a1158411510b0dd04667a18788823d8c/tumblr_nysu9qqfDC1rah5l1o1_1280.jpg

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Oh this page is almost done.

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>>78108256
Hey /co/, would you read this webcomic?

A pretty normal guy goes around doing his average deeds, but every night towards dusk, He gains superpowers for just a little while, until he is pulled into space, to be a substitute star for another solar system. The time he is in space is from when hes asleep until he begins to wake, going back to earth, and quickly losing his powers for another day of normality.

This has been his life for awhile now, but tension begins to rise as threats to him and those he cares about begin.

He has power, but it is limited. Can he do anything? Will he remain helpless to be ripped from the fight into space night by night?

>>78109059
Finace notes?
what are you some highschool loser?

>>78109059

K.

>>78109098
?

>>78106976
yeah i used to have creative upswings but those went out with random erections

>>78106083
I'm looking to make something great, and one day move beyond just webcomics

>>78106083
I do it mainly as a hobby while I work on getting into school. My goal is to be a storyboarder or writer for a cartoon one day. And maybe make my own cartoon while I draw comics on the side.

>>78109269
>>78106230
>>78106226
>>78106144
So how far do you guys think you are towards that goal? A rough %

>>78109378
The goal of starting a webcomic, or my final goal?

I only started drawing about three years ago, so I'm still mostly focused on learning. I'd say I've hardly even started. Maybe 2%?

>>78109378

By getting a talented artist to remake your comic.

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>>78109378
I'd say, towards a goal; I put myself at like 10%. People do like my stuff, and people seem to care about my thoughts on somethings (though perhaps because I'm willing to give them at length), but in general we're not really all that successful.

We've got around 12k views overall that aren't from bots or whatever those randos on google analytics are, and we've got around 400 readers overall (not counting carryover, minimum of around ~300). We're around 160 pages in.

We have accomplished world building, but now it is a matter of getting things to happen in the world to generate interest. People like the characters (or at least Jam, Beatrice, Sammy and Craig), and I personally like writing Conrad because people hate him for being smug and sort of fully aware of his actions.

We're making about 15 bucks a month. Which pays the dropbox bill, which is nice. I wish we made more because we'd like to do mini little side-stories, which just aren't feasible given we do 3-4 pages a week and our own stuff on the side plus work. And people do tell us we have the potential to be bigger, but that's down the line.

I'd gauge us lower, but we're almost done with telling this first story, and we'll have full graphic novel length to this first arc when it is done. And really that is a sense of accomplishment.

We're not back to the drawing board, and we're fighting the good fight; and eventually someday we might make something from all this. Worst case scenario, we'll just have made something complete; which isn't all that shabby.

So like, I don't feel disheartened. I'm happy with what we have so far, I hope to see it grow, I have doubts it will diminish without extravagant effort on our part.

>>78109629
>we
This is not a solo ambition?

>>78109782
Artist and writer.
I, the writer, am the one who generally frequents /co/ because I frankly enjoy the atmosphere. The artist comes sometimes when I'm sick or busy. We've been buds for a good long bit and the Sisters is mostly us making some old ideas work.

It isn't a solo dealio, though credit to Pete; as he does all the layout and art. Format is a bit wonkier than the traditional model, but he can do more with angles than me and I trust him to know what looks good (and more often than not, it does work out). So while it being a partnership does make it seem a bit less ambitious a project, what remains of my original intentions when the page comes out is generally my tone, mood, and dialogue with his idea for set, stage direction and et cetera put in motion. I'm the script, maybe the actors; he's the director, designer, and generally the actors. If that helps put it in perspective.

But I will say that putting together a production bible was something he appreciated and certainly helped make it a bit more stable.

So yeah, not a solo ambition. It was once, on his end. It is better now. We assure you.

>>78105068
>other drawings that show a higher level of skill
Those were traced, dude.

>>78109059
was there a point to you replying to my post?

>>78109963
oh no, my bad I usually reply to a post then delete the reply

>>78110017
I know that feel, bro. I do the same thing and I've made the mistake of not deleting the reply before.

>>78109457
So what have you learned so far?

>>78108256
i was wondering why that was deleted. i forgot people had a problem with wieners. those people should probably eat a big bag of them
funny shit dude

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>>78106083
i originally planned to go to art school but decided not to due to how many people in the industry advise against it. also fucking poor.
i work a part time job but do comics and design shirts and buttons and shit in my free time.
i post a lot on instagram and tumblr and a few storyboard artists ive looked up to for a long time regularly like/favorite my work, so thats cool as fuck.
ive met artists in the industry like KC Green and Tyson Hesse and id like to one day be like them if im not storyboarding or whatever.
all in all i just want to earn a modest living doing what i love and inspire people to be passionate about their work, the same way others have inspired me

>>78110140
I've already posted my artwork a couple of times here in just the past few days so I don't really want to spam it, but a lot.

>>78109378
Well I've got fans in these threads so that's something

>>78109629
keep on keeping on brother. the both of you.

>>78109873
i hope you're aware you're a spectacular writer, and especially good for comics. I can't think of many other comics where if you told me the artist and writer were separate people I wouldn't have a pretty solid idea that the writer was dispensible

>>78110252
what's the comic?

>>78110160
can you post a work of yours that you are personally most proud of?

>>78110345
http://thesisters-comic.com/

>>78109378
Like 50%. Currently my efforts are tied up in two other comic projects besides Ennui GO! One will be done in a few weeks, the other will be done early January.

After that I'm going to start making short capeshit comics and plastering them on the web. Fuck it, if DC won't let me do Batman, I'll do my own.

Side note, Ennui GO! is not representative of my full capabilities as an artist, by a long shot.

>>78110538
woot, i'd like capeshit comics from you. Might be reminiscent of Sunflower Girl / Less Than Kate

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>>78110433
aw man, thats tough. i usually enjoy my little sketches or stupid comics more than my serious pieces. here's a band poster i made for a buddy of mine about a month ago

>>78109378
About 15% through.

As in that's how done I am with my webcomic.

With expenses I'm pretty satisfied at the moment, lots of merchandise coming soon.

>>78110597
Kind of want to do an "Insatiable She-Hulk" comic. Something reminiscent of The Pro, wherein Shulkie is tired of dating super heroes, but can't seem to find a normal date.

>>78110713
i could see that. dating is hard enough when you arent a superhero

>>78110252
>>78110241
Well thanks anons, we will. It does mean a lot to be appreciated, and I'm happy where we are considering we only launched in May. We've made good progress and we're on track to end this arc in a few months, after which we'll hopefully be able to shill it a bit more.

Soon as I finish this last batch of client work, I ought to be able to get to work on a side-story thing we're gonna sell for like 3 bucks with some nice illustrations which we're gonna try to do monthly/bi-monthly. Rotate out the illustrations, maybe sell them as triptych prints.

I'm a /tg/ native originally, I could bash out a simple RPG system for it if I wanted to (K6BD just did a pseudo-powered by the Apocalypse hack). There really is a lack of low powered magic games; but it also doesn't really fit thematically.

Who knows. We're doing okay enough, we'd like to do more if time and effort allowed.
>>78110345
>>78110524
Thanks for that and thanks for the interest.

>>78106230
oh and I might add
this is becoming increasingly unlikely as people just don't seem to get INTO things the way they used to. and if they do they're kids. but for the most part there are just so many different things to get into now...

>>78110621
Are you guys hipsters

>>78096799
Bryan, is that you?

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>>78110906
define "hipster". we're both younger guys in the creative field living just outside philly, so take from that what you will

>>78111141
>drawing something like this
>creative field
>not already so distanced from the group that you can easily say you aren't a hipster
You guys are hipsters bruh.

why do you draw comics? what inspires you to do so?

>>78111417
i just love making up characters and giving them cool powers. i'm inspired by anime and videogames. and now their world is so fleshed out i can never ever stop

>>78111417
I like telling stories, and drawing. That's about it.

>>78111417
my dick

>>78111417
I can't fucking do anything else.

>>78111483
>>78111486
>>78111491
/co/ in a nutshell

>>78110621
>>78111141
Your art is definitely hipster.
There is a stylistic ugliness to it, which has been popularized by hipster shows like AT.

>>78111536
memes, lmao

>>78111560
he's not exactly wrong. but he's not saying that's a bad thing either.

so...what's the verdict on using memes in webcomics?

>>78111417
Stories are some of the most powerful things mankind can create. They can influence entire cultures and change the outlook of individuals on an infinite number of issues. Regardless of what a person believes, if they have the capacity to put themselves into the shoes of a character and walk their life then they find themselves growing as a person.

I love that. I love stories that make people grow, and teach people how to deal with things that normally aren't an issue. I love stories that evolve how someone looks at the world around them, and I feel like there should be more of them. There are too many stories that are mindless violence or mindless drama, and not enough that pull at base emotions and use them to teach. That's my goal: I want to change people for the better, even if it's just a little. Consider my attempt to influence butterfly effect for the better.

>>78111687
*consider this my attempt

>>78111417
If I wrote a novel, nobody would read it.

>>78111672
either subtly make fun of memeculture or stay the fuck away.

or make your own somehow

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Serious question guys: is it okay to start your first webcomic with a story you don't actually think is that great? I have a concept that has some "don't think about it too hard" moments in it that I haven't been able to figure out, but I still want to start a webcomic to see if I can keep up the schedule, improve my art and storytelling, etc.

I don't know, I see a lot of webcomics that I like or think look good but have a shit story or characters that really grab me. People still read them, though, and it helps them build an audience and get more experience as a creator.

>>78111770
*characters that don't really grab me

Whoops

>>78111770
Part of it is luck, part of it is what you make. If you want to try it and are okay with throwing around your own story then go for it. If you want to refine the story and make it something you're fully satisfied with, that's fine too.