do you prefer your dragons good or bad ( or neutral animals)

>>78034594
All three, but evil dragons are a little bit more over done and therefore boring if not handled really well.
Overly good dragons have the problem of being made too cute or blobby looking, especially if its aimed at children.

Overall it kind of falls in line with any character: just make the character interesting and designed well for christs sake.

>>78034821
don't know about overdone, but I agree with everything else you say

>>78034594
Neutral, but extremely ferocious animals.

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>>78034594
I prefer my dragons well defined, and not "perfect misunderstood creatures that are perfect".

>>78034594
Depends on the world they're in, but I like dragons that just seem beyond humanity in some way.
More important than humans, and they know it, so what we see as evil might just be casual disregard.

If dragons are based on animals, it works best if they have arrogant or regal traits, like cats or birds of prey. Toothless is an excellent subversion of this, as a playful cat

I only appreciate dragons as physical expressions of some transcendent force in the world, like greed or some other evil to be overcome.

In Greek myths like the story of Cadmus, the dragon that is slain represents the untamed, wild nature of the land the founding hero was conquering.

>>78035334
>Depends on the world they're in, but I like dragons that just seem beyond humanity in some way.
>More important than humans, and they know it, so what we see as evil might just be casual disregard.

this is why world of warcraft based comics and books ( the one around the red dragons and deathwing at least ) are awsome

>>78035334
>>78035772
Let's face it there's no real reason for a Dragon to see us as an equal.

>>78035807
You mean besides divine demi God heroes slaying them and building kingdoms in their conquered lands?

>>78035658
I thought dragons were usually neutral in greek myths, didn't apollo use them to power his chariot (Im don't know too much about greek myth.)

>>78035917
Ants can kill a human, does that mean we're equals?

>>78034594
It depends on the dragon. Obviously.

>>78036034
If there was a single heroic ant who was the son of the ant God and slayed a human who was assaulting his ant hill by himself, then established a glorious ant kingdom, yes they would be equal.

Dragons are primordial forces of ancient evil from a time long past. Human demi Gods slay them as a symbolic gesture of the burgeoning human era

>>78036248
how does that make them evil, are we evil for killing ant? also they don't exsit and everybody has different interpretations wheter it be good or bad, so why do people get so pissed? did a dragon step on your dog?

can someone set up a poll for this?

>>78037033
Dragons are the enemies of human civilization and always have been. You enjoy living in civilization don't you?

>>78037324
your dragon friend ran away didn't it, You need a hug

Ok, I set up a poll http://strawpoll.me/6217202

Good dragons are silly unless they are gods or spirits or such and not physically giant lizard monsters. Rampaging evil dragons are a bit cliche.

Neutral dragons are probably best. Giant monsters that you can reason with but are still giant monsters.

Metallic dragons are good, chromatic dragons are evil.

you sure as hell now 4chan only cares about bad dragons

I think I'm in the minority, that I like my dragons not being hyper-intelligent, or even human level intelligent.

I like them around dolphin level intelligent goddamn forces of nature. Not good or evil in the sense that a bear isn't good or evil.

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Dragon of the year, all years.

>>78039227
>Dolphin level intelligence

You want them to be sociopathic monsters and violent ocean rapists?

>>78034594
I think around here everyone prefers Bad Dragon.

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Force of nature.

Godzilla-like character (fitting because Godzilla is basically a modern retelling of a dragon myth). So above good and evil. Will defend the world but it doesn't mean it has our sense of morality so don't expect it to watch what it destroys in the process.

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I like dragons with some history or character behind them and arent just setpieces/random villains of the day

Can I just have a movie where a good and noble night saves a kind damsel in distress from a terrible firebreathing dragon. Maybe throw an evil wizard in the mix or something too.

>>78034594
Prefer them to be a game-changing presence. Good, bad or whatever, I don't really care. Although I do hate it when they're so impressed by human achievement so easily and decide to side with one spectrum because of that.

>>78040084
Shrek?

>>78039680
yeah, pretty much, but also fire breath.

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Dragons need to be horrifying first and formost. People try too hard to make them look "cool" rather than terrible

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>>78040084
Check out Flight of the Dragons.
It's an old animated film.
Not EXACTLY what you're looking for but it's reasonably in the ballpark.

The old movie Dragonslayer is still my favorite dragon movie and how I think dragons should be portrayed but that might be cause it's one of the first movies I ever remember watching and the first one with a dragon in it.

Dragons are best when they aren't written as evil humans who can breathe fire. They should have motivations that don't make sense to people because they aren't people.

>>78041256
Easier to just write them as evil, it's the same thing to most since that's unrelatable.

>>78039227
I'm so sick of all powerful, ancient dragons who are basically gods. Bonus points if they go on rants about how much better they are and have a 'pathetic human' line.

It's just been done to death. I prefer my dragons more beastly. I don't care if they're evil or not.

All three

>>78043016
That shit's always retarded. If the dragons really were as great as they claim to be in those storieas, then humans and most other lesser beings would never have been able to develop, and would be no more than what apes and other animals are to us.

>>78034594


all three, but i like them to be like... i dunno legendary? not being inmortals but living for eras and being a force of nature

>>78034594
Why can't I have mine as neutral people?
I prefer the dragons that just do their own thing and can't be fucked about whatever the other races are doing.

>>78034594
I like it when dragons are portrayed as inteligent creatures. Good or bad depends on how well it's done honestly.

>>78037953
He got NTR'd by a dragon clearly.

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>>78038773
>Neutral (animals€
What?

>>78043410
I just think of Skyrim and I thought the dragons were incredibly boring. They were just assholes who enslaved people because they were assholes. Nothing about them was particularly interesting or 'unique'. It was just the same rehashed shit.

Reign of Fire had an interesting but simple take on them. I don't remember the movie as much as I do the game but their dragons worked more like bees or something, I think. There was just one huge male, the females didn't live long after breeding, they'd cannibalize each other, etc.
They were just beasts and in the game you could play as a dragon, but you played as one of the females instead of the big boss male and have to help protect him. You weren't overpowered, no magic, no ancient knowledge, you just flew around picking people up to drop them to death and napalm the fuck out of their crops.

I liked how Dragon's Dogma handled it.

>>78044032
>They were just assholes who enslaved people because they were assholes.
You could say that about basically anyone that's ever enslaved anyone else ever.
Free labor is a damn nice thing to have when your on top.

>>78034594
Sapient. .....and fuckable.

>>78034594
I like them the same way I like my humans to be, which is depending on the individual it could be good, bad, or neutral.

>>78044124
>and fuckable
Anything can be fuckable if you put your mind to it.

definitely force of nature/fuckable

>>78044197
How would you fuck a dragon?

>>78044228
Carefully

>>78044121
>free labor
For what though? They portrayed them as needing nothing. They don't even NEED to eat. They didn't need houses or cities, they don't breed, they were just happy sitting on top of mountains doing nothing, they didn't need to make sure the economy was all in order, they didn't give a fuck because they were so 'above'. They had absolutely nothing to gain by doing it aside from being a constant reminder to everyone that they were so much more superior.

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>>78044124
>>78044199
I like the way you think

>>78039601

yes

>>78043016

I want both of them to appear in the same work, with "Smart" dragons having to contend with the fact that the majority of their race are barely intelligent gibbering idiots who can't even manage to speak.

Chaotic neutral

I love the tolkien versions best, where they're basically shock troopers/tanks for Morgoth's army. They're evil vicious assholes created from the shredded spirit of the god of evil.

I like having many kinds of dragons. My fav type would be the wise, good ones.

>>78044051
Grigori was fucking fantastic, even before you learn about where dragons come from in that setting.

I got into Dragon's Dogma about the time the second Hobbit movie came out and he set the bar for dragon so high that Smaug was an absolute disappointment in every way.

>>78034594
not bothered as long as its done well

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>>78044832
And they play the role of shock trooper very well.

>>78044379
>TheDevilDragon'swife.jpg

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>>78034594
I prefer them dickish (with some nice ones) and transformable.

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I tend to love evil dragons, but also ones that are more neutral. To me Dragons represent the absolute greatest physical manifestation of primal desires like greed and pride.
I really did love Cumberbatch's Smaug in the Hobbit movies, probably best part in the trilogy, but really should have used this design instead of the lazy but "realistic" wyvern style every movie dragon has been using since Dragonslayer with a few notable exceptions.

>>78045973
I wouldn't call "pride" primal.

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Pic related.

Capable of speech, willing to bargain, and you ONLY NEED ONE.

A single, satanic dragon nemesis is a classic antagonist. Dragon's are too often just hoarders and stupid monsters. Morality can go sit in the fucking corner, I want INTELLIGENT, CHARISMATIC Dragons.

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>>78046048
Can't wait for 4K Silky Smooth 60FPS

>>78034594
>All these different responses

Gosh, nice to hear what people like and dislike. Personally, I like any dragon that isn't badly-made or just all-out evil. Maybe that's just the six year-old in me.

I'm writing a setting with all kinds of dragons. Most of them are wild animals, but they're all immortal and there is a minority of them gifted with speech and shape-shifting. Some of them work as super-mercenaries who are paid in gold bars. Others, having tired of wanton destruction and battle, now exist as never-dying politicians, investment bankers or philanthropists who give to charity when not spending their money on Ferraris and marble statues for their castle home.

Be honest, sound interesting or dumb?

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>>78046048
Grigori is best dragon.

>>78046090
Honestly, as someone who played it on PS3 years ago, I'm glad you're getting it. It's a damn good game, and I must have played through it like 5 times.

>>78036248

Go to bed, Gwyn.

Best dragons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0yuDfcOhvA

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>>78046277
>The ever growing debauchery going on inside that cardboard box

Yes. YES.

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>>78046277
Best girl.

I will never obtain her scythe. I can't bring myself to fight her let alone maim her.

In before that MOBA dragon that sounds like she's constantly orgasming.

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>called king of dragons
>doesn't do anything kingly

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>>78046495
He tears shit up something amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h542YbZuwkQ

>>78045973
>they had designs of Smaug as a dragon
>made him a wyvern anyways
The 4 legged designs there look better than what they went with.

>>78046564
>>78045973

Why are you people so autistic about dragon feet.

Wyverns don't breathe fire anyway and are poisonous, Smaug is clearly not a Wyvern.

>>78046560
>Fuck your barrier
>No, fuck your barrier
>No. Seriously, Fuck your barrier
>Fuck your binding ritual
>I'mma gigaflare this whole fucking continent

>>78046564
I like how strained the interviews from the artists seem in that book. They're all about how Jackson came up to them in the last minute and told them to get rid of the forelegs, and their comments on how it was a genius idea seem token at best. Because obviously they can't say anything negative about the guy paying them.

>>78046709
I'm just impressed Square finally made an MC that is not only very masculine, but also has short practical hair that isn't flashy.

I mean I know it's an MMO so "MC" is stretching it, but still.

>>78046115
Not to sound desperate, but as possible future fans, I'd love to hear /co/'s opinion on this.

>>78034594
I like my dragons be a force of nature. Neither good or bad. Dragons are the ultimate apex beings, why should they concern themselves with lesser beings.

>>78034594
It depends on the setting, all three can be done well but I overwhelmingly prefer neutral animals.
I was introduced to the idea of intelligent dragons quite late on and I always found it dumb. They're great big, terrifying beasts, it just seems silly to me that they should be capable of speech. Dragons hoarding/desiring gold also seemed equally dumb, why should they give a shit about it?
I like the way Game of Thrones handles them, incredibly rare and virtually untameable animals which are the equivalent of bringing Harrier Jump Jets to medieval warfare.

>>78039052
i always thought that should have been the other way around, colours - more natural metalic- symbols of greed

>>78044029
I made it on an iphone, it was supposed to be a closed braket )

>>78046560
rip old wizard dude ;_;

I really wish FF MMOs weren't so garbage tier, I could really get behind the setting.

>>78043410
They're solitary creatures with and aversion to organized society. They would never develop the numbers, infrastructure or interest to actively suppress the rise of other sapients

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I came here to say "Grigori", but it's already been said like five times.

You did good /co/

>>78047629
But then you couldn't have the classic red dragon fight.

I personally like this: Dragons are not gods, but apex lifeforms. They can be good, evil, or neutral, but usually look out for their own interests, as all immortals tend to do. When a dragon appears, it changes the game. They don't necessary care about mortals, but some may find them interesting enough to interact with the little things.

Granted, any type of portrayal can work if it's done well, but that's the flavor I most prefer.

>>78035260
My favorite thing about the first Spyro game is that they actually bothered to design different breeds of dragon.

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which dragon r u

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Did someone mention dragons?

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>>78049812
>crabclaw dragon

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>>78050010
>>78049812
>tfw stinger dragon

Dragons have always been a metaphor for Humanity's worst qualities. They are first and foremost an incarnation of evil and pure greed.

Only literal furfags insist that dragons are good or noble.

>>78046115

Honestly you lost me when it said wild animals.

You are making dragons sound far too common. And they lose their novelty when they become commonplace.

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>>78046115
They sound like they would be too common and they would lose their novelty fast. If they were just wild animals that weren't over powered and had a natural niche, then that's fine but it gets weird when you add in intelligent and employed ones.
However, I am very fond of the idea of a dragon being in charge of a bank behind a desk, or it being common for rich people to keep a small dragon in their treasury as a sort of guard dog.

>>78046564
>>78046580
Who the hell decides the definition of a wyvern and why do people get so uptight when giant flying, four limbed, fire breathing lizards are called dragons? Historically in western culture they're the same exact shit except one has four limbs and the other has six. Wyvern types have always been more common in paintings and manuscripts. I don't mind if media favors wyvern types, they look and seem much more natural.

>>78046115
I am not a fan of dragons being integrated into society

>>78051441
>Saint George and the Dragon
>But it's a wyvern guys!

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-Proud
-Hoards treasure
-Can shapeshift and reproduce with ANYTHING

Other properties are variable

Either, and sexy.

>>78052494
I find it kind if funny that dryads can reproduce with everything, but lizardfolk. Also, Nymphs and dryads can reproduce is pretty funny too.

>>78052864
So they grow dicks or what

Divinity's dragons are good. They're celestial creatures, gods unto themselves, but at the same time they see humanity's potential to be even greater, and nurture it in what ways they can.

My favourites are definitely Breath of Fire's dragons, though.

>>78038773
I'm starting to wonder, do you think I would have gotten different results if I said good or evil instead of good or bad?

>>78049648
call it a rust dragon, or bloody dragon

>>78034594
I like all three, except for making them mindless beasts.

Though personally I prefer good myself, there is something about a cunning, intelligent, and even affable villainous dragon who is basically immune to anything the hero can throw at them.

now that I think about it, both How To Train Your Dragon 1 and 2 may be the only good western films about dragons since the 70s

Evil, and ideally used as allegory for feudal monarchs, hoarding wealth and regularly forcing themselves on the maidens of the realm.

>>78034594
I like it when dragons are ancient, eldritch, and completely unapproachable by mortal folk. When the dragon is out it should the biggest deal in the setting. Closest thing I can think of is Weapons from FFVII.

>>78049812
>Virgo dragon
>it's fucking nothing.jpg

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I like it when Dragons get wrecked by SCIENCE!

dragon bump z

>>78050561
aincent china is over 5000 years old, possibly more. thats bullshit