SOUTH PARK TITLE: PC PRINCIPAL FINAL JUSTICE
Episode #1910 Air date: December 9, 2015
Kyle has chosen a dangerous alliance over his friendship with Stan.
>Implying Trey Parker and Matt Stone aren't a couple of lazy chucklefucks who put zero significant thought into story structure prior to churning out a multi-part South Park story.
Seriously, listen to the DVD commentaries (Imaginationland trilogy springs to mind instantly), they make the shit up as they go along.
Last season they thought maybe they'd need an extra episode to wrap it all up and were gonna call Comedy Central and see if they could but then they just went "Fuck it" and hence we got the shitty, nonsensical mess that was "#HAPPYHOLOGRAMS".
They know how to tease the audience and build up hype and they know how to be funny, but when it comes to story telling, they're not exactly masters at delivering a satisfying payoff.
Think you can check me? Well, go ahead on brah. It's your move.
That was just one episode joke, kind of like Token and Nicole relationship which was never mentioned after Cartman Finds Love. South Park is satirical comedy not romantic comedy, even the relationship between Stand and Wendy is hardly relevant except when they're breaking up.
What are you gonna do, advertise a website that shows you how to do it? Because by the time you even link me, I could be enjoying a cool, refreshing Mountain Dew from the comfort of my Holiday Inn resort and
OH SWEET MERCY, I'VE BECOME AN AD
Not him but so far we have got...
>Garrison's presidential campaign with Jenner
>Craig and Tweek's fake relationship
>Explaining exactly what the fuck happened to Principal Victoria
>Stan and Kyle falling out
>Barbrady and his dog
>ISIS wiring the kids money
>Butters and his Canadian GF
>Gentrification making the cost of living in South Park unaffordable for Randy
>PC Principal's disappearance
>Leslie betraying Jimmy, leaving him with Nathan and then going after Kyle.
If they're gonna slap a bow on this puppy they've got a lot to cover.
>they make the shit up as they go along.
You got it half right.
When they take their writers on the retreat, they come up with episode ideas, then plan out about half of the story before moving on to the next one.
Most of those are completely irrelevant to the main plot, just like most things happening in South Park in general. We most likely won't see ISIS anymore and Butters will suffer in the end like he always does.
Just a thought:
Last episode aired twice in a row because the show that used to come after it was moved to another time slot. Do we know if that is still the case? It'd give South Park enough time for double length episode.
>Craig and Tweek's fake relationship
>Stan and Kyle
>barbrady and his dog
Everything else will get explained. It isn't that hard f/a/m.
>probably just to make the shippers happy tho
You can't seriously believe this. It's making fun of you weirdos. They compared you to creepy debased chink kids and that makes you happy?
> Civil War
> Fractured But Whole
It's like pottery.
>they wouldn't have made the interactions between tweek and craig so genuine
what does dealing with paid content have to do with the magic spells woven by giggling Asian girls?
I remember one time a yaoi fangirl shipped me and another kid at my anime club. Thankfully, she was white and did not have any powers over men to get them gay.
Looking forward to this
Never really watch South Park but gave this season a watch since I saw it around and it's been pretty damn great. Didn't know they really bothered with an overarching plot but I was surprised to learn there's only one episode left this season. Wonder how they'll wrap it up.
This is the first season they've tried an overarching plot. Last season had some basic episode by episode continuity, but in general it's a new thing they're trying out because stick of truth got them interested in making longer stories
Neither do you deny shipping generally. My question still stands.
It truly perplexes me how tumblr and to a lesser extent /co/mblr can watch SouthPark, have the shit ripped out of them then ask for more because they've rationalised it away as if there was no possible way the criticism could be truly on them.
It is unreal.
yeah, its pretty clear that tweek x craig made fun of shippers, but their appearances since then have just been as background characters so you can't really put any "message" behind it
also your hate of shippers seems a bit extreme m8, i mean they're weird but you're acting like their hitler or something
That my friend is a get of truth. Shipper faggots are and will forever be delusional and obnoxious. Worse if they're fujo or yurifags.
Tumblr lacks all self awareness and can't hack that Mat and Trey would rail on them and a large portion of /co/ (I dunno probs like 10-20%) are tumblr-core
I'm going to assume you've never been into some niche that has a heavy shipper following. They swallow up all real conversation with their bullshit and derail everything while dragging ever more attention and drama onto themselves.
Before the pilot and just before the second episode gravity falls threads were actually decent. Look what happened to them. Tumblr, shipping and general induced circle jerking. The unholy trinity of content related cancer.
Yes incredulous shipperanon, they did. Doesn't that make my derision seem out of touch and shippers less retarded by comparison?
Fuck, man. I wanted him to be a permanent addition to the cast.
I enjoy the story arcs, though. I'm hoping they have one next season.
>implying that wasn't a joke they decided to bring back
I think you just expect too much from their explanation. All that's need for like 50% of those is a minute or two, some even a line, principle Victoria and Garrison election come to mind.
The episode wasn't relentlessly bashing shippers though
They definitely made fun of them but it wasn't the ultimate purpose of the episode
more time was spent focusing on tweek and craig (including tweek never actually denying he was gay) than making fun of the asians
>You think they're paired up in the background to piss off shippers
You think they're there to please you? They've turned up together for a long time. It's not like they've changed up the formula in response to the episode. You're just being irrational and delusional again butting in with irrelevant subtexts not present in the source material.
Yes they made a funny episode about it but it is in no way some sort of offering to shippers.
>than making fun of the asians
Not all shippers are asian /senpai/ just like progressive losers aren't all university frat boys. Point is shippers weren't made to look good. They were the butt of the joke but not the focus itself. The focus was as you said, based around the fact that the two characters were often animated near each other and a big forced gay plot for some absurdist good measure.
Don't go trying to put more meaning into than there is and don't think that a lack of total derision is the presence of acknowledgement
The Asian girls weren't made fun of. The other South Park residents were, but they were also depicted as having sympathetic motives, like the mayor coping with her friend's death.
You think them turning up together in every episode has always happened? Here:
>You're just being irrational and delusional again butting in with irrelevant subtexts not present in the source material.
>don't think that a lack of total derision is the presence of acknowledgement
So now you're claiming they didn't even acknowledge shippers' existence in an episode about shipping.
Leslie obviously. I can't decide if I want her to manipulate him into becoming her pawn or tie him up helplessly as bait for his friends.
Anyhow, this episode better have some Leslie.
So turning up together is reasonable enough grounds to start some gay ship theory pre-ship episode? Come on.
Admittedly acknowledgement was clumsily worded, rather, the lack of utter admonishment isn't suddenly praise. Does that add some clarity for you?
>start some gay ship theory pre-ship episode
I have no idea what this means.
>the lack of utter admonishment isn't suddenly praise
Who said they were praising shippers? They just don't dislike them like you do. Let me borrow your words: The lack of utter praise isn't suddenly admonishment.
So, /co/, is their relationship an ad?
And yet they did admonish the shippers. They were invasive and destructive in the lives of two characters who'd done nothing to them previously not to mention displaying a whole bundle of personal faults like being weird gay-loving school girls who are so detached from reality they can't understand or acknowledge that they're making people uncomfortable at best and hurting them at worst.
No they were totally normal. Shippers weren't laughed at in the slightest.
Fuck me man. Be square with me, please, are you a fujo?
>And yet they did admonish the shippers. They were invasive and destructive in the lives of two characters who'd done nothing to them previously not to mention displaying a whole bundle of personal faults like being weird gay-loving school girls who are so detached from reality they can't understand or acknowledge that they're making people uncomfortable at best and hurting them at worst. No they were totally normal. Shippers weren't laughed at in the slightest.
Are you talking about the Asian girls or the parents? Can you tell them apart?
>Fuck me man. Be square with me, please, are you a fujo?
Looks like by your definition everyone who doesn't think shipping is of the devil is a fujo, so I guess so.
>completely dodges the question with some passive aggressive swipe
That's what you're doing, dude.
>You aren't even saying anything really, why bother?
So instead of asking for clarification, I should just stick words in your mouth, like you do.
>trying to turn this on me
You literally responded to whether you were a fujo with:
>Looks like by your definition everyone who doesn't think shipping is of the devil is a fujo, so I guess so.
How aren't you passive aggressively dodging questions. There is no equivalence between us. Nice try at deflection though.
>There is no equivalence between us.
Correct, ou're dodging questions and I'm not.
>Are you talking about the Asian girls or the parents? Can you tell them apart?
I asked this, and you didn't answer.
You asked if I was a fujo, and I answered.
You're also making another a false equivalence because you not understanding the episode is relevant, unlike me being or not being a fujo.
cartman is told to go to bed, he doesn't want to, he gets mad and pulls a gun on his mom
cartman starts telling his mom to go to bed and leave him watching a movie
cartman's mom pulls a gun on him
'woah mom what the hell?'
The episode description makes it sound like a b-plot of the episode will be about having guns for self defense
them both having guns and using them to casually threaten each other is likely a part of that
The following of these can be ignored completely because they are irrelevant to the main plot/ were one episode jokes
>Barbrady and his dog
>Butters and his Canadian GF
Then you can narrow it further by selecting which of these is so closely related that they can be explained simultaneously with the plot
>Stand and Kyle
>Leslie betraying Jimmy
Leaving the final 2 points to be quickly wrapped up in short jokes or automatically wrapped up thanks to the resolution of the main plot.
Honestly it's far from too much to fit into an episode. You're just splitting it up way too much when most of it is so inter-related that it can all be explained at the same time.
>Not understanding that ads are humans nowadays
Just look at the internet stars shilling products all the time, yet not outright stating that they are getting paid to do so. Heck, they even refuse to talk about it to journalists.
Even worse, is the shilling done by people of their own volition. There isn't a day where shit like In-n-out or whatever gets hundred thousands of free views on websites like 9gag, Reddit etc.
>Leslie is a red herring
>PC Principal "trying to help" was a red herring
>He's the real villain all along
I can see this happening, but I hope not. Leslie is a better final boss and PC Principal needs to stay alive so he can make cameos occasionally.
I'll be disappointed if it's just an ad for the new game. Once is funny. Twice, and after all this great build, would be a let down.
But if they pull something great out this will be a god tier season.
>Matt and Trey go full redpill and reveal it was actually Kyle and the Jews manipulating the ads the whole time
>focus on Kyle's persecution by the PC frat
>motivates Cartman to fight
>focus on Kyle's capture by Leslie
>motivates Stan to (TBA)
So basically this is a Kyle+friendship season.
>I don't want to fall in that trap
if a south park episode makes you gay you were already gay t︂b︂︂h f︂︂a︂m
Perhaps you are an ad.
Maybe we should all go out shooting and think on it for a bit. I'll use Gamebore cartidges. They're a respected world leader in sporting ammunition with a diverse and high-performing range of shells and cartridges filling every sportman's needs.
>South Park becomes PC literally overnight.
It's sad that some nonsensical "advertisment conspiracy" plot is slapped on top of these episodes instead of lampshading the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of policital correctness harder.
I expected more from Trey & Matt
>So when the society as a whole shifts left, it does
The US can't have gone THAT far left, could it? South Park got pretty far up that PC asshole, this would imply that it's only the beggining
It changed but the whole town didn't really become PC. Only the fratbros seem to care about bullshit like affirmative consent, microaggressions, slurs and privilege etc.
They're overly supportive of gay people but that's hardly new. There have been episodes about that since like season 6.
The US is shifting right in everything aside from pot, sex and diversity.
I swear no leftist in your whole God-forsaken continent has any idea what to think about any issue outside of those 3 pointless issues.
>PC Principal actually tried to fix the problem but his PC bros wanted to crush puss
I'm really going to miss this character. For some time I forgot Principal Victoria was a character. Sure he was an asshole and he seemed like he was trying to do good, just a really bad execution.
Do right and left even exist anymore in the western world outside of extremists?
Socialist, liberal, democrat, republican. What the fuck do these words even mean? They don't even mean the same thing in different western countries (that's why US added "libertarian" to the list.
When I look at people in my country, it seems like most people have "leftist" ideas when it comes down to people's rights and social issues, but "right" ideas when it comes down to economics and immigration.
But there's a huge void in the political world for any movements or parties that reflect that middle ground.
They only exist in USA, which is why Americans constantly need to stick their nose in other people's business like removing al-Assad from power and helping terrorists because they can't see that not all countries work the same way.
The more people from diverse backgrounds a country has, the more it has extreme sides. America is known as the "melting pot" and people in such place will never get along so they have strong labels like that. Smaller countries such as Iceland or Finland have more similar people so they can have something like liberal conservative parties in the lead. The more multiculturalism there is in Europe the more it causes extremism. That is why imported multiculturalism isn't good, and enjoying different cultures in their own countries is the best way to consume it.
Something that's really confusing me is that with most three-parters/arcs South Park does, by the end of the second episode they usually have built up to an end-game, with the last episode being centered around it.
>Imagination Land leading into the Big Battle/Nuking Imagination Land
>Coon and Friends vs Cthulu/Why is Kenny immortal?
>Black Friday finally arriving
Here, I feel there's still more setting up to do. The direction has changed from the initial PC Culture into Ads taking over the World, but there's still so much that needs to be explained or set up in the space of 22 minutes.
it will either be at least a partial cliffhanger, with a lot of the themes continuing into next season.
even if the main plots are self contained in this next episode, i'd be really surprised if it completely wrap everything up. M&T are really into continuity since they made that video game
Jimmy's always been glad to be an ad when he's got a need. First it was freemium games, now it's adware trim.
Holybshit, how could you misa the point harder?
> nonsensical "advertisment conspiracy" plot
A lot of the stuff in those episodes, like sponsored content, is real. Even adblock sold out and had to be supplanted by ublock.
And secondly, they are still lampooning sjws. Do you seriously think that people with misguided sjw ideals are twirling their mustaches, looking for the next opportunity to ruin your fun? They think they are doing the right thing, which is why it makes sense for PC principal to be an unwitting stooge rather than the guy pulling the strings.
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>this is not an ad
It's more like well-intended aims appropriated and twisted by people who don't really give a shit about the original issue and just want a socially acceptable excuse to beat down other people.
TweekxCraig as always had a fanbase due to shippers.
The main difference however is that it has caused other people to be aware of it and realize how much of a qt couple they are. Basically south park as made lots of people gay.
aside from pandering to an internet subgroup, was tweak x craig a very good episode? like did it even get the message across to people who don't know about shipping/yaoi (if anyone these days)
It had everything that made it classic South Park episode, agreed by Cartman.
>See that?! That's emotional character development based on what's happening in the storyline! Not at all like Family Guy.
I don't think it was really a message. It basically delivered an enjoyable emotional rollercoaster, but kept it lighthearted by making it clear that all the dramatic events weren't real.
I like seeing reading comments from douchebag reactionarybros who think that Matt & Trey are also hardcore edgy trolls and wouldn't utilize the literary tool known as AMBIGUITY in the Tweek x Craig episode.
All neo-reactionaries should open their eyes, maybe check Matt and Trey's wikipedia page. They wrote a TONY-AWARD WINNING MUSICAL, anons
I love this season but
>tfw no Kyle almost at all
>tfw only one episode left
They updated the press release.
PC PRINCIPAL IS BACK WITH A VENGENCE (sic) IN THE 19TH SEASON FINALE OF “SOUTH PARK”
The citizens of South Park feel safer when armed in the 19th season finale titled [etc.]
The gentrification of South Park is pricing Randy right out of town. Meanwhile, Kyle’s distrust of Stan has broken their friendship and thrown Kyle into a dangerous alliance.
>The entire season is an ad for the new game.
I fucking knew it.
I have a feeling this episode might piss off gun nuts.
I hope Nathan is secretly a good guy that somehow knew all of this was coming and infiltrated the ads to save Jimmy. The ads treat him as if hes super slow but hes actually autismo genius and saves the town.
Whereas in Mirror America (or 'Murrica for short), it's
I guess they couldn't get anything else to replace Moonbeam City.
I really really wish Trey and Matt notice this. In the commentary for last season they mentioned that they were about to ask Comedy Central for an extra episode in the season.
Maybe they can take advantage of free slots after 10, they might be able to extend the episode for a better finale
Not sure. But practically the whole scene with Jimmy and Leslie conspiring against the news men for a brief moment when their monitor gets a pop up is from Ex Machina. Also the "you're thinking with your dick" is practically the whole point of Ex Machina. Dude talks with the "first" AI womyn and wants to fuck her by helping her escape.
You should watch that movie man. It's a mind fuck.
Why Craig and Tweek were looking at them?
Reminder that in the original script for the movie, the boys get captured in their attempts to free Terrence and Philip and the General orders them to be executed for treason and Kyle's mom agrees.
Kyle's mom really was a big fat bitch
Which character out of these should get their very own episode? Bearing in mind Pip, Butters, Stan (Stanly's cup), and Wendy (Stupid spoiled whore) already had episodes with just them in it.
From left to fight
Fat obnoxious jew
The obviously choice
Got shit on in german scat porn
Poor alcoholic crackhead
Gypsi looking hag with bad genes
Dont know who that is
The other fatass. I don't think Lice Capades counts.
>Not a single specific character, but Craig/Token/Clyde/Tweek/Jimmy.
yeah, there should be an ep where they replace the main cast and have to save the world
and they ask cartman, stan, kyle and kenny for help because they're experienced with that kinda stuff
and they're just like "fuck no, finally a day off"
I want an episode centered around unhooded Kenny
this this this this this this this this.
I like how they sometimes unhood him but don't make a big deal about it, like in the MJ parody episode. They need to make an entire episode where he's unhooded but just go along like it's no big deal.
Nah, he came back to life at the end along with everyone else.
Oh boy, I can't wait! You just can't beat the biting satire of two rich white men mocking people who want to make a difference and asking what the problem is because THEY feel equal though!
>go about it the wrong way
Or even want to go about making bad differences in the first place.
Like destroying individual human rights and civil liberties so your narrative never has to be confronted with dissent or reality.
Is there any significance to Leslie having brown hair in this shot rather than black? That's definitely meant to be her with that hairstyle and logo on her shirt.
It's probably just an oversight from the animators, but could this also mean that ads can shapeshift?
Why yes, I do have a lot of free time.
Are things gonna be okay with PC Principal?
They seriously can not comprehend that they were the joke here. Mere acknowledgement gives them the fuzzies even if it's as a freak fringe group. Anything is fine as long as they get to watch two little boys suffer and get pressured into acting gay.
It's as amusing as it is dismaying.
>the message was not that people shoulnd't ship
You really missed the fucking point. Rewatch the episode, specifically the part with Craig's dad, and Tweek's parent's response to their children's sexuality.
They had a message about PC culture blindly encouraging gayness when people weren't gay
that's a separate matter to shipping. They had genuine moments of tweek and craig caring for each other and craig's dad coming to terms with and accepting craig's apparent gayness. There was a layer of irony on the whole thing but they were ultimately portraying the relationship relatively positively
I think Stan and Kyle's reactions best represent the show's views on shipping from that episode. They found it kind of weird and confusing, but they weren't particularly bothered by it.
Unless the show literally tell them they're a joke they'll think circles around the obvious anon. Just let them stew in their delusion. As long as they don't shit up threads it's fine, if they do though they need to be dressed down.
Better yet, previous episode would have the boys going out of town for something.
General problem arises that begins to fuck the town up.
Then Jimmy or Token notices that this problem isn't going away like it normally does, then they go fix it.
Nope! Imaginationland was M&T's IDEA for a movie that they had for a while and they ended up using the premise in season 11 when they were struggling to think of something to do that week. At the end of their rope they went "Fuck it, we gotta do Imaginationland". (Source: DVD commentary).
They had no script beyond the premise. The DVD movie version that came out later just has a few extra scenes added that they couldn't fit into 22 minutes. They outright state in said commentary that they had no idea what was gonna happen the following week when people were freaking out about the wall coming down that kept the good and evil sides of Imaginationland apart.
Are you that anon who always wildly misinterprets the episodes to twist them into persecution of good and noble oppressed people?
Are you that anon whose family was killed by shippers?
Why don't you two hook up and stroke each others' delusional persecution complexes?
>they get, and stay, together solely because they think it's what everyone wants even when they're both actually straight
>everyone just goes along with it, supporting them
>you will never witness this in real life with two girls
Why even live?
Actually, that would be pretty great. Cartman and Clyde both want to fight against it, but it happens anyway, and Lian gets married to Roger, at which point Cartman declares a bloodfeud upon Clyde, promising to make him suffer like no one else, until the cold and bitter end that he will bring upon him.
When asked why he's that mean to Clyde, he'd simply answer: "That fucking son of a bitch killed my Step-Mom."
Seconded hard. He should either be one of the people to deal the final blow on Leslie or artenatively hook up with her. Screw Creek goddammit, I want Leslie x Jimmy to be endgame.
>>Garrison's presidential campaign with Jenner
That's pretty quick to solve, because they're main characters in the plot right now
>>Craig and Tweek's fake relationship
Irrelevant. It built up drama for the ongoing plot, and it can be sorted into two seconds
>>Explaining exactly what the fuck happened to Principal Victoria
Irrelevant. She got "replaced"
>>Stan and Kyle falling out
>>Barbrady and his dog
Pretty quick really
>>ISIS wiring the kids money
>>Butters and his Canadian GF
>>Gentrification making the cost of living in South Park unaffordable for Randy
>>PC Principal's disappearance
>>Leslie betraying Jimmy, leaving him with Nathan and then going after Kyle.
Yes, but these are all connected
He was last known to be attracted to women (season 11 300 parody). After changing back into a man in season 12 they never addressed his sexuality, but I think the joke is that he's gone right back to where he started (homophobic straight man/closeted gay).
One thing I've always wondered: has Jimmy retroactively been living in South Park for years, or did he move in from out of town sometime between Cripple Fight and the episode where Cartman can't laugh at the missing kid, which would mean he's been there for less than a "year"?
>Everyone thinks he's gay
To be fair, he was the one who suggested Plan "Let's tell everyone we're gay".
> AND a cheating, heartbreaking bastard.
Even if they don't come clean, Tweek better tell everyone the Michael thing was a misunderstanding.
It had no way of working. I'm not even sure either of them even tried telling anyone other than the Asian girls that they weren't gay.
They should have said they were bi-curious but it wasn't working out as they realized they weren't gay. Or that they were bisexual but they didn't work as a couple.
>I'm not even sure either of them even tried telling anyone other than the Asian girls that they weren't gay.
They told PC Principal. Maybe they just gave up after he said that didn't matter. They probably should have at least tried to tell their parents though.
Anything other than KylexCartman is a shit ship and should be eliminated.
Btw anyone know any good fanfic or fanart that are similar to pic related?
What's wrong anon? Do you not enjoy the best ship on this show?
From the hate, spawns love. It's like pottery. How you can watch South Park and not see them as a couple is beyond me.
Why was tweek x craig a thing before that episode anyway? They're just side characters who never interact or talk to each other but it was apparently popular enough to warrant an episode about it.
Have you watched Tweek vs Craig? That's all it takes to create a ship.
Plus they couldn't use main characters like Kyle x Cartman/Stan for obvious reasons.
They have a hate/love relationship. Those are the only kinds of relationships that are worth shipping you tasteless fuck.
Where did they get all those sad breakup pictures though? There is no way that was all already drawn by fans.
Do Matt and Trey secretly draw anime fanart?
Shippers, man. They don't need a good reason. I guess people thought their personalities would work well together or something.
Nah, man. It's been a big thing for ages, I imagine since season 3. I was really involved in SP fandom like 10 years ago and even back then it was the third most popular pairing.
Storyboard artists drew them.
>Tweek vs Craig
>autists noticing that they're sometimes near each other in crowd shots
>Craig is generally portrayed as either deadpan or hotheaded, which provides a nice contrast with Tweek
>people wanting to ship something outside the main characters, and the only other secondary boys are handicapped (which Japan hates), black (which Japan hates), and Clyde whose personality has never really been defined and is typically shipped with Bebe anyway
The original most popular ship that didn't involve the 5 main boys was Damien x Pip so that should tell you how desperate fujoshits are when it comes to secondary/tertiary character ships.
Why not just not do anything?
The entire reason the yaoi thing bothered them is that it gave to people an inadequate image of them (as gay together).
Pretending to be gay and breaking up (or even pretending to be bi.curious and not working out) only solves people thinking they're together, but reassures them that they're gay.
And by people I mean a whole lot more than the japanese girls. Beforehand the yaoi seemed to affect only a handful of kids because it's silly speculation, after the breakup it's the whole town because it's "official".
Their plan (and lack of honesty towards their parents) was retarded, but I don't mind, it made for a fun episode.
Remember: they're children and everyone in the school believed they were a couple. Doesn't matter what's true when rumours spread like that in elementary school.
Their plan was very qt.
>>Craig is generally portrayed as either deadpan or hotheaded, which provides a nice contrast with Tweek
I've noticed a lot of shippers think Tweek is the more vulnerable one, but after that episode I think it's the other way around.
Being side characters actually helps, since it's less likely that canon will sink your ship. It's not likely we would have gotten a "Craig's girlfriend" story that would have invalidated the ship.
Although saying that, side characters like Butters, Token, Clyde, Jimmy and Ike actually did get a "girlfriend" story have been more or less firmly established as straight, so I guess Craig and Tweek was about all that was left.
It was funny. You could also see it as narcissism instead of repressed homosexuality.
>everyone in the school believed they were a couple.
The boys said pretty much verbatim "they aren't actually gay".
They are also the only memorable boys that haven't had a named girlfriend or a crush. Clyde has had 3 girlfriends and he is seen reading Playboy, Token has had two girlfriends, Butters has his bitches, Charlotte, Lexus, Kim Kardashian, and Paris. Jimmy had Nutgobbler, and his girlfriend in the steroid episode, and now Leslie.
Tweek and Craig have only liked Bebe that one episode. Craig seemed to have a crush on the boy with Tourettes. Craig broke up with a girlfriend in the SoT because she slowed him down so that doesn't confirm his heterosexuality much either.
>It's not likely we would have gotten a "Craig's girlfriend" story that would have invalidated the ship.
Craig actually did have a girlfriend in Stick of Truth. Although the only thing we know about her is he broke up with her because thieves work alone or something.
He's never expressed clear romantic feelings or sexual longing for another character, male or female. Yes Kyman guy, I'm sure you're taking offense with me saying that.
It was pretty clearly established he isn't into women, but beyond that it gets a lot murkier.
Did they do this intentionally?
Are Kyle and Cartman portraying Matt and Trey's own homosexual relationship?
Do you think they ship it?
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Butters was also one of the sexually obsessed kids or wtv it's called with the picture of the nice lady with the handkerchief and her BUSH. He also likes J.Lo.
>Craig seemed to have a crush on the boy with Tourettes
If that's true he also had a crush on Cartman in that same episode.
Jimmy fucked a grown woman to get rid of his boner.
Anyway to shippers nothing can make a character definitely straight or gay, they could always switch sides. See: Korra.
>He was in love with Wendy
>had a crush on Patty Nelson.
>Why do you think that rules out him being gay?
I don't, that's not what I said. I said
>he isn't into women, but beyond that it gets a lot murkier.
It was a crush on Wendy and in love with Patty. But you're right, he's been into girls. On the other hand, his innocent crushes involve girls and his perverted thoughts and actions involve guys. The second one is usually a better sexuality predictor.
>If that's true he also had a crush on Cartman in that same episode.
He never touched Cartman's shoulder and asked to do his laundry while soft and gentle music played despite him having lots of opportunities to do so. He probably found him Cartman unattractive regardless of him swearing. Thomas seems to be more his type (blond boy that twitches).
Kyle is generally superior to Stan, but why is he being such a douche?
>suspects stan of preventing them from uncovering the truth about pc because of randy
Yeah, because Stan has always been supportive of his dad's trend of the week?
At least Stan assumes Kyle's heart is in the right place, he just thinks he's afraid of the consequences.
Pffft, that can't be real, I mean jesus chri
>IT'S FUCKING REAL
I'm just saying there isn't much to support him being particularly gay, since the only male character he's expressed attraction towards is a tiny winged version of himself.
That doesn't mean he can't be gay, just that we haven't really been shown things that indicate that he is.
>If that's true he also had a crush on Cartman in that same episode.
They're talking about him asking that kid to hang out and wanting to do his fucking laundry.
That's not explicitly a crush, but it's creepy levels of admiration at the very least. He never showed that for Cartman at all.
Jesus dude, I'm tired of arguing this exact thing with you every fucking time the topic of Creek comes up.
As I said before, this is subtext of one scene that has a very clear and different textual meaning. Matt and Trey don't do subtext, shippers do.
If you want to make retarded mental gymnastics out of 2 seconds of show, fine, just don't pretend there's any objectivity to it.
He didn't express attraction to Cupid Me either. It just depends on what you count as support. I grant you that almost everything he does is a joke, deluded, or both, so it's easy to blow off.
If it's Butters' fault I'm going to be EXTREMELY upset. I might even write a strongly worded letter to Matt and Trey.
Butters hanging out with Stan and the rest of them was the best thing they could've done for this show. Butters is the best character on this show by far.
>Matt and Trey don't do subtext
Seriously? Shipping aside, you're not giving them enough credit. They often leave the message of a scene/episode unsaid and let the audience figure it out.
>it's creepy levels of admiration
It's not creepy, it's clumsy.
It's just they make it very clear the whole damn episode what Craig likes: saying shit and getting away with it. How this gets forgotten to be replaced by "he likes him romantically and/or finds him attractive" because of an ambiguous background music and a hand gesture is completely stupid.
The yellow jester does not play.
But gently pulls the strings.
Se smiles as the puppets dance.
In the court of the crimson king.
>"he likes him romantically and/or finds him attractive" because of an ambiguous background music and a hand gesture is completely stupid.
It might be stupid, but TV writers will have a man and a woman hook up based on much less.
Someone made a 15-minute montage of Cartman gay scenes and it doesn't even include everything.
>Cartman dancing and pretending to Britney Spears
He also made out with the Timberlake cutout according to Butters.
No, that's his clumsy way to show admiration.
Here's what's I guess my headcanon on this scene.
>Craig thinks Thomas is a super cool kid because he can say asslicker to Chris Hansen and get away with it
>Craig wants to hang out with this kid who he thinks he's awesome, because that's what kids do
>Craig thinks he has to prove his worth to the cool kid so that he'd let him hang out with him, because that's what kids do
>Craig has the idea to make himself useful by doing one of Thomas' chores
Well I didn't think it as thouroughly before, because it seemed self-evident to me, but there you go. Yeah it's a bit clumsy, but it's way less far-fetched than "he wants to do his laundry to smell his underwear" or however you justify that as implying romance.
kek, that would be a pretty good lead in to their new game too.
but I don't like seeing Butters get bullied so that shit better not happen
Whoever's arguing that Craig had a crush on the kid with Tourettes is stupid as fuck. Just wanted to let you faggots know.
This is such a pathetic argument to be having.
But Matt and Trey aren't hacks.
And yeah, I'm aware you're making a double standards argument, but like it or not the double standard is there, you have to be a lot less subtle to signify gay attraction than straight attraction simply because it's not the norm.
How is masturbating to it not expressing attraction?
I'd love to see a Timmy-centric episode where he mostly interacts with other similarly-disabled kids who also only say their names.
>Timmy timmy, TIMMY timmy timmy
>Jason, JASON JASON jason
Dude, wanting to do a stranger's laundry is like stalker behaviour.
I don't think the point of that scene was to actually suggest he was attracted to the tourettes kid. It was just a funny culmination of his "If I could _____ I would be sooo happy".
Still, man, when you're compiling evidence of when minor characters have shown interest in someone, there's no harm chucking it in. It makes for a funny coincidence looking back after this Tweek stuff.
>And yeah, I'm aware you're making a double standards argument, but like it or not the double standard is there, you have to be a lot less subtle to signify gay attraction than straight attraction simply because it's not the norm.
I agree with you, but I can't fault someone for not thinking in double standards.
i think it's because of that one Hawaii episode. literally takes just one episode or one scene to start a ship
Jesus fuck, as I said I never had to make that train of thought before, but since I apparently need to argue with you something that was evident to me, I try to put it into clear words.
And shit, the first 2 points are not overanalyzing, they're not even analyzing.
>it's clearly shown and said in the episode that Craig admires the trait of "saying shit and getting away with it", he says it right then and there
>he literally says "can I hang out with you?"
Again, what's your explanation for the laundry evoking romance?
NOTHING on Earth will convince me that someone actually fantasizes about Shelly and Cartman getting together. N O T H I N G.
Also 12 pages of shippings? Jesus christ, what's the point when Kyman and Creek are the only real ships?
Shut the fuck up, Style is absolute garbage compared to Kyman.
They're mostly crack ships. The only actual popular ships are StanxKyle, KylexCartman and CraigxTweek. Anything after that has a minuscule fanbase.
>This pairing is extremely obscure, and there are no known fanfictions that include this pairing.
A lot of these pairings seem made up to act as filler to justify a wiki. Why else would they even bother making a page if people don't seem to give a fuck?
I'm tired of every damn side character in SP being called great or underused by /co/ when they have basically the characterization and consistency of an oyster.
So sorry but you're that guy, explain how Nathan is a great character.
Clyde/Token is a thing
never heard of any Kenny/Token
Stan/Kyle and Kyle/Cartman are the only ones worth caring about though imo
and Kyle/Cartman sucks
I can't even find one piece of fan art for Clyde/Token, can you? A couple crack fics don't count for much.
Also SHIT F U C K I N G TASTE MY FRIEND
Why all the South Park threads always end up in shipping?
hollycomb did a clyde/token fic. I haven't read it but that semi-legitimizes it in my eyes
KYLE WILL NEVER LOVE CARTMAN
You should know by now that Cartman always gets his way. It doesn't matter what the Jew wants, he'll learn to love it.
Real talk though, I read this long ass fanfiction that advertised as a Kyle/Cartman fic. Turns out in the end, Kyle leaves Cartman and gets with Stan. I've never been so pissed in my fucking life, why do they do this?
I like this Kyle/Cartman fic though if anyone is interested: http://archiveofourown.org/works/420889