Last Temptation of PineTree Edition
>Next episode: Early 2016, "Weirdmageddon III" 1 HOUR SERIES FINALE
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Don't screw up the OP.
I'm so used to finding my bookmark to where I first explained how Pepsi Max came about and copy pasting it, now I have to paraphrase and condense and try to remember. Each time I explain it I feel like I'm leaving something out.
I don't know if I can love this Gompers.
For not having any episode premieres this month, the networks really have us cranking out a lot of Holiday packaging.
A 30 sec ad for the finale should air this or next week, promotion for it begins a month in advance!
Expect a handful of ads too.
Ok. I can respect that.
Gotta love baby Gompers.
I'm sure that's not the only cylinder Alex has been playing with at Justin's house
A man who wears his hair like a North Korean dictator and that dresses like a lesbian from 1995 has no business questioning the tastes of anyone ever.
Gee i wonder who contributed to the design of this character?
Can you imagine being this pathetic. Take away all the cash,take away Gravity Falls and what do you have? This is probably the only reason he is bailing to Rick and Morty so he can live vicariously through another mary sue oc so he can relive his fantasy High school experience where he is tall,handsome and popular. Kinda sad actually.
You know, that is quite possibly the worst beard I've ever seen. At the very least, it's the worst one that wasn't just a dude who hadn't shaved for a little while.
Like he clearly put some work into grooming it and it still looks fucking atrocious.
Alex is kind of like what would happen if you took a Looney Tunes character and made him real. But not a cool Looney Tune like Bugs Bunny. Maybe like that retard vulture at best.
There is just something so obnoxious and annoying about him. He's like that kid everyone knew growing up who was a borderline jerk-bully who would run to they're parents if you ever went off on them.
OMG exactly!!! Like that one kid who would always ride your ass and make the same joke over and over until you lost and be like,wtf is your problem? Don't you like having fun?
Sometimes I wonder if there was a RL Robbie and now wonder if maybe he was justified in whatever went down between them..
I can easily picture the scenario. Alex harassing this goth-punk dude over and over making fun of his hair,his clothes,his black nails until the guy finally went off and popped him one in the mouth.
And yeah yeah yeah I know Alex said Robbie was based on hipster douchebags but seriously does Alex know nothing outside his own little world? Robbie a emo-punk. He is about as hipster as Miley Cyrus is STD free. Not to rub salt in a wound but if Alex wants to see a hipster douche he needs to look in a mirror. Granted that is if he can find one he can reach.
Is this the ship that's going to sail off into the sunset?
Soul? What soul? Have you ever looked into those dead soulless eyes? They are like these two little black voids of nothingness an despair. These two tiny windows into a world of infinite darkness.
if Alex wasn't such a hack and did a third season, it probably could've developed and become canon. Instead it became like candip, developed in one episode and killed/never mentioned again afterwards
I'd be down with it, but I'm not hoping for much of any shipping in the finale. It's going to take that whole hour just to get a decent conclusion together without pulling an anti-Bill deus ex out of Ford's ass.
It would be nice to have a hint or two on the way out, just so we aren't left defaulting to Pinecest bullshit for eternity
Anon, just let it be.
Let cute twins be cute, and let Pacifica and Dipper be friends. And just friends.
>all of Pacifica's lines will be shouts/battle cries said in unison with other characters to disguise that her voice actress was hospitalized during the episode's production
>she will help bring down one of the Gabbas in a IT TOOK FIVE OF YOU TO KILL ME moment but will then be dispatched by Bill in short order and turned to stone
>Dipper and the others won't even mourn her and instead be focused on fighting Bill, Jason Ritter making his usual grunts and contortions about loving his sister and family
>she will eventually be unfrozen, and go to kiss Dipper, but Toby Determined will step in between and intercept the kiss in another le witty imp trolls the shippers moment
>she'll never appear in official material ever again, not even the journal, and will be gone forever
>thinking Pacifica will even do that much
The best Pacificafags can hope for is that she really is the llama and the wheel is actually relevant, letting her do the Care Bear Stare with all the other characters. More likely, you see her way in the background a few times, and that's fucking it.
Man, I WISH fireflies were native to OR. I recently went to the east coast and had my first experience with them. I got to be 12 again briefly. It was magical.
It didnt really start like it is now till Alex and Mazi broke up.
We are mad because he is having fun with his friend Justin. This makes him a bad person. We wish there was more Dipcifica also! You see this is why these threads are about hating Alex
GFG was sad their waifu wouldnt return and also we didnt like some episodes so the entire board occasionally devolves into 2 or 3 samefags copying and pasting hate memes every other thread or so
it all ends...
I was away from /gfg/ when the breakup and fallout happened, so you'd probably know better than I.
That's still kind of weird to me, though. I don't remark one way or another when the people I'm close to beak up, let alone a stranger. But I guess I'm old fashioned in that sense...I don't see any of that stuff as my business. Come to think of it, any relationship statuses (good or bad) make me a little uncomfortable.
This is /co/ We hate everything we love if you give us enough time. If Gravity Falls reached a third season we would have actually bombed hirsch's office by then due to all the new plots we didnt like enough
At this point, it won't/
Majority of the fans will love it, regardless of quality.
The only possible criticism of it will come from /gfg/, and even then it will be brushed off as the Alex Hate meme
I hope I never create a successful TV show. I get depressed when one person on facebook insults me, let alone thousands of people online saying they want to slit my throat because they didnt like my cartoon episode enough
Memes are difficult beasts to understand young one.
They come quietly in the night when you're not looking and fleeting as a summer breeze their gone again. They shift like great dunes of sand, flowing beneath your feet in unpredictable ways. And if you don't keep your wits about you, they may just swallow you whole, and before you know it you're up at 5 in the morning posting a strawpoll about which of Manzi's toes is the sexiest.
Aye lad, memes are a difficult quarry. Not everyone's up to the task. Are you?
Manzi would come to /gfg/ and hang out give us tidbits about alex and the show.
Hell Alex and Roiland used to come here between season 1 and 2 to hang out and talk. Alex even made an exploitable pic of Stan and Rick sitting on a couch watching TV.
Its easy to protect a legitimate criticism against the hate-meme brush off. Just dont mention Hirsch's name. List your issues with the episode, and how you would have improved it, but dont end every sentence with "therefore Hirsch should get fucked in the eyehole by Manzi's dick" or whatever.
Dont mention Hirsch, and your criticism will stand as legitimate. I've learned this from criticizing anything by Whedon or Abrams
That didn't start until after they left actually.
Manzi left because she got dumped, and it hurt to come here because of the association with Alex.
Alex just stopped coming here because, jesus, he can't handle Twitter without rampant blocking, there's no way he'd be comfortable coming here regularly.
The hateposting started BECAUSE he dumped Manzi and she stopped coming, not the other way around.
I used to be the same way not too long ago. A mere expression of disappointment made me depressed. It's crazy, but hanging out in 4chan and actually posting has made me so much less worried about what people say and thing about me. It's taught me that no matter what is said or thought about me, I'm okay. Same goes for you too, of course.
no... alexposting was around when manzi was around. remember the pasta that mentioned the gay club visit? some of the ribbing against alex was taken from things with her and manzi.
it probably started getting a little to vile after the break up, but other things happened like 2B being mediocre or /sug/babbies being mad their general was banned and not ours trying to astroturf alex hate
Do people make death threats about you, photoshop your eyes gouged out, and talk about your ex girlfriends on a daily basis? I love posting on 4chan but I would hate to be one of their topics
Actually that's fair, I suppose it just really took on a different tone after the breakup.
Like, before it I wouldn't have thought of it as Hateposting. I might have called it Manletposting or some shit like that. It was mostly about how beta and effeminate he was.
Now hateposting is about how much an anon wants to murder him, but you know, there's been less of it around of late come to think of it.
The entire manlet thing started because of a few photos of Hirsch and Manzi at conventions. They're the same height but with big heels she looked taller. So people who didnt like Love God or Golf War or whatever would use this as an excuse to mock Alex for being "short." Which is a very strange and specific thing. Manzi came on once or twice to be like "what the fuck guys, he's regular height" which just made the meme grow more. If she hadn't complained people probably wouldnt have tried to make it a thing
That was actually really enjoyable.
Though it was kind of weird that the artist apparently thought that Stan as their grandfather. Maybe it was made between NWHS and AToTS when that was still on the table?
I dunno, this one worked better for me than most of the others I've seen.
Stan being a "grandfather" is one of the most stupid, useless theories ever. it wouldnt change anything. So many tumblr fags were obsessed with this, even after ATOTS explained this vigorously. So dumb
I admit I haven't experienced that. Well, not since HS. I'm a bit shy and reclusive, and there's literally only 4 photos of me ever posted on the internet (and in one I was wearing a`mask, and in another I was in the background).
How would I feel if I was in that position? Hard to say...but I think I'd be okay, if only because the ones who do that stuff look like real dorks.
i can tell you with the height meme was borrowed from game of thrones threads, where every other post was making fun of an actors height. even some of the pastas are similar, like that long ass one about someone being butthurt one character is more popular than another (probably lost somewhere in the archive but it had that line like "You find out people like Wendy better and get angry inside like that time Pacifica's dad rang the bell" or some similar character-related diss ) was originally based off some stannisfag shit.
its a shame because gravity falls will probably be dead by the next time game of thrones is in season, so no more cross-board memes.
I feel as though if you reached out and made your vision come to life via making a cartoon or whatever the hateposting here starts to seem a little small-scale as it doesn't really affect you personally
Yeah, but it makes for a more poignant story in Stan faking his death and possibly leaving behind a wife and child to save his brother as opposed to leaving his shithole of a life and taking over his brothers good name to survive while he finds out how to fix his mess.
Stan is a selfish, irresponsible old man who acts like a child and only follows his own desires. The reason that his relationship with Soos is touching is that Stan never had a kid and Soos never had a dad. The show is more about showing how the family that matters is the family that treats you well, and "blood" is irrelevent. Making him the grandpa would be a dumb cheap way to ignore all of that. And it would suggest that somehow being a grandpa was more important.
I always figured that if Stan had a family at any point that they left him due to some combination of him being a pathological liar and a career criminal. Remember the scene where Dipper and Mabel find his old fake IDs and believe he's an imposter? Imagine the terror and fear someone would feel discovering that about their husband and the father of their child.
Thats not poignant, thats fucking stupid. For him to sacrifice his family for his brother would make him an idiot. If you have a wife and kids, stay with them, unless youre literally gay for your brother.
>the father at 13 irrelevant baby
I want to believe that will be resolved somehow. Whether it's really Shermie's son, or something stupid like Bill getting turned into a baby and sent back in time. Or, fuck. Even a fourth Pines sibling. I don't want to accept they'd date the scene so obviously without considering the implications. They were so good about seeding clues about Ford throughout the show; surely they'd at least have worked out his and Stan's timelines, right?
But deep down, there's this suspicion that the real reason Alex refused to discuss the baby was because he realized the writers botched the timeline irreparably some time after completing season 2. So he'll leave it unresolved forever, and call it one of the mysteries that was never meant to be explained.
nah, if she really isn't that relevant, she'd better get frozen like the remaining citizen and the teenagers. But choosing the woodpecker guy as the survivor and being relevant to the finale is a tad trange
This is the future Alex chose
Mistakes happen, who cares. All of your "alternate options" are way worse stories. I'd rather get a pretty good story with a few timeline errors than create a wildly stupid story that bends backwards on itself just to justify the idea that the writers room is infallible
>Mistakes happen, who cares.
I mean, I'm not going to be furious at Alex if it goes unresolved. It's just a weirdly specific misstep, and one that he drew attention to himself.
Truthfully, the only thing that would really annoy me about it is Alex's coyness about answering the question if it really was a simple error. Of course writers are human and fallible. But playing a mistake off as part of a clever plan, and then not delivering on that, would be pretty disappointing. I don't think Alex is that kind of guy.
Let's just say NWHS is actually the true season 2's finale. Disney officially renewed GF to season 3 and ordered 20 episodes. If you were Alex, what kind of episode would you fill in remaining slots?
Here's what i propose:
1&2. Tale Of Two Stans
3. Dipper's first confrontation with ford episode
5. Some monster of the week episode
6. Wendy and stan bonding episode
7. The teenager episode
8. Roadside attraction without the romance hijinks, mabel and ford asked to stay to handle the shack, dipper, stan and soos goes on revenge trip.
9. Pacifica episode, involving the gnome. They kidnapped here, so dipper and mabel have to save her.
10. The stanchurian candidate
11. Some comfy episode focusing on dipper and mabel trying to fix their grunkle's relationship maybe with fishing trip or else
12. Gideon breakout episode to take revenge of the pines
13. The last mabelcorn, without bill cipher reveal, focusing on mabel's questionable morality
14. Another bunker episode with ford's confrontation with mcgucket
15. Bill Cipher reveal episode
16. Dipper and mabel vs the future
17, 18, 19, 20. Weirdmageddon arc
Not that guy, but I would put the Wendy and Stan steal stuff episode in our new Season Two.
I would also put more Pacifica in Season 2. She joins the twins for some adventures.
I would put in a few episodes dedicated to Mabel character development.
I would put in a McGucket episode about his recovery.
I would put in at least one and maybe two additional episodes where Bill is manipulating shit behind the scenes, probably as a B plot.
It would also be nice to have a few episodes focused on Wendy, Grenda, and/or Candy to flesh those characters out.
what would actually happen
>1&2. Tale of Daddy Issues
>3. Dipper lusts over Wendy episode
>4. Mabel boyfriend of the week episode
>5&6. DDmD except its an hour long special
>7. Soos daddy issues episode
>8. Soos and Melody episode
>9. The Status Quo Candidate
>10/11/12/13. Mid-season Special involving the height crystals
>14. John Oliver episode
>15. John Stewart episode
>16. "Kids, tell your parents not to vote for trump!" episode
>17. The Last Mabelcorn
>18. Roadside Attraction with Candip left very ambiguously open
>19. Pacifica vs Candy shipping episode
>20. Gideon finally gets out of jail
>21. OH FUCK ITS THE FINALE ALREADY OKAY A BUNCH OF YO GABBA GABBAS SHOW UP AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD BUT OH WAIT THEY ARE TRAPPED INSIDE A BUBBLE WHICH IS IRONIC BECAUSE THEY HAD MABEL TRAPPED IN A BUBBLE ITS ALMOST LIKE INCEPTION WHICH I HAD THE GAUL TO MAKE FUN OF ARROGANTLY IN AN EARLIER EPISODE OH WELL BLAH BLAH STAN SACRIFICES HIMSELF TO KILL BILL-FILBRICK AND THE TWINS GO HOME, SEE YA IN RICK AND MORTY SEASON 3oh wait its cancelled
Another GF antholgy episode, but with two skits:
Dipper and Mabel win the twin commercial and go to the Twinstitute 10 minutes
Wendy and Stan bond 10 minutes
Full episode about that headless demon hunter guy with tone down heads
Anyone got shows like Gravity Falls? They don't have to be exact but shows with a strong mystery that are also funny and overall enjoyable shows are cool
I tried Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated but I can't get over how much Scooby talks in full sentences when he usually says like 4 words max each time he gets the spotlight
Yeah. It's hard to second-guess what would fit into all that space when we have no idea what additional plot points (if any) were scrapped from the original draft. If a third season had happened, season 2 might have been much closer to season 1's pacing.
Looking at the episode list, the best way to fill out the back half of season 2 might be a 2B mini-arc featuring the reveal of the Society of the Blind Eye and McGucket's backstory.
After the events of SotBE and NMM, another episode where Dipper and Mabel try to use information from the laptop to track down the Author might be nice. And maybe throw in an episode before NWHS where Dipper or Mabel experience one of the gravity anomalies, and they start to look for answers. That could cash in on Bill's concern about the Journal, and also help transition smoothly into the finale.
I'd say you could make NWHS itself into a two-parter since it was so eventful, but I love the episode's pacing as is. I'd hate to see it padded out with filler.
>ford hears about bill
>the wheel is supposed to fight bill
>as a running thread through other episodes, they deliberately arrange a set of people to be on the wheel
>it inevitably turns out the wheel is actually what bill wants
>the ending involves merging of the mindscape and reality, lot's of dream logic instead of just monsters
>once everyone has their mental spirit journey shit together, they try to escape from the wheel's magic
>dipper symbolically rejects being pine tree, because he's already dipper
>he redraws the pine tree symbol to bill, trapping him
>he puts the big dipper in the center, uses bill's power to turn the tear in space-time into a wormhole to the alien planet in the big dipper
Sure you're gonna get "nice fanfic" or "glad you're not writing the show" but that sounds pretty cool anon. More clever than the finale so far anyway.
>I don't think I've ever seen an adult Dipper design that felt quite right.
Yeah I can't picture Dipper getting the droopy nose since both the Stans have had it since childhood and didn't just develop it spontaneously.
I could see him possibly eventually developing their body type though once puberty was done with him.
i always thought that hackposting was some sort of attempt to kill the general by filling it with shitty tryhard 'comedy' and making it even more cringeworthy than this place usually gets.
>Tumblrwhales and 4chan Nazis wrote more compelling stories than you
but that's wrong you retard
the greentexts for plot ideas that get posted on here are usually cringey as fuck and mostly revolve around shoving someones fetish in there or warping the characters to act like totally different people
>warping the characters to act like totally different people
The thing I utterly hate in fanfics and yet the most popular and always recommended ones are exactly those. It boggles my mind.
>The thing I utterly hate in fanfics and yet the most popular and always recommended ones are exactly those. It boggles my mind.
got any examples? i hate that shit too but sometimes it can be good for a laugh if they are really off base
I don't mind some hackposting since it does help offset blind fanboys who can't handle criticism of any kind. But too much of it, and threads can slow to a crawl because it drags down everyone's mood. Especially if it's the variety that's pure edginess about Alex as a person with nothing funny or clever about his choices as the showrunner.
Am I the only one who realizes that this show is literally the animated equivalent of A Series of Unfortunate Events? Think about it:
>both involve siblings and coming-of-age stories
>both involve some "deep" mysteries
>both have quirky characters and meme villains
>both have their humor based around lol subversion comedy
I can only hope Hirsch doesn't pull the same bullshit as Lemony Snicket and refuse to reveal anything at the end, under the guise of some shitty metaphor or something.
>I don't mind some hackposting since it does help offset blind fanboys who can't handle criticism of any kind.
There aren't really many of those here though in the first place. Or in any /co/ general really, if they go on long enough they all eventually boil down to edgemaster circlejerks.
>tfw you realize no one would give two shits about Gravity Falls if it was a book series rather than a cartoon
Holy shit, how did the animation industry get this bogged down, to the point where something like GF actually becomes the exception rather than the rule?
>I can only hope Hirsch doesn't pull the same bullshit as Lemony Snicket and refuse to reveal anything at the end, under the guise of some shitty metaphor or something.
what is there left to reveal? the plot is actually really straightforward - ford made a deal with the devil and got tricked and sucked in a portal, stan spent most of his life trying to rescue his brother, the twins show up in town and are the catalysts for the portal being completed, ford comes back and the dimensional tear allows the devil he made a deal with to enter the world and fuck shit up. now its up to the cast to stop him and try and put reality back to normal.
there's not a big mystery hidden here. there never really was, there were mysterious elements in the show relating to that plot but they weren't really the driving focus of it.
I agree with the mysteries not being the focus since it's the characters, the comedy and the experiences they go through ( weirdness and the plot ) in order to grow.
>there's not a big mystery hidden here. there never really was
You can't be serious, there were obviously mysteries. It's just that all of the important ones are solved now.
What I would personally like from the finale:
>Dipper's real name
>some sort of explanation for his birthmark pattern. (Perfect big dipper by chance? Come on)
>the unifying theory of Gravity Falls. Why is it all happening there?
What we'll probably get:
>Dipper's real name (if we're extremely lucky)
>You can't be serious, there were obviously mysteries.
well alright, i was exaggerating a bit. yes, there were mysteries but they weren't ever the reason that i tuned in to watch the show and bitched about the hiatuses. i just wanted to see the mystery shack gang get up to wacky hijinks and occasionally encounter fucked up monstrosities - solving who wrote the journals wasn't exactly keeping me on the edge of my seat.
Never really was into the whole cest thing, but DP made a lovely teen Mabel
>some sort of explanation for his birthmark pattern. (Perfect big dipper by chance? Come on)
Perfectly symmetrical polydacty syndrome is extremely rare too, but Ford has it. Sometimes things just happen. He's not an alien. He wasn't marked by aliens. Cap this, its just a visual gag.
>>the unifying theory of Gravity Falls. Why is it all happening there?
Because the world is weird? I really like the idea that Ford's theories about a dimension of weirdness are just bullshit and that the reason there are all those gnomes and crap is because the world is a lot stranger than people give it credit for, with lots of secrets waiting to be discovered.
It feels more satisfying than some logical pseudoscientific explanation about fluxes or anomalies or whatever technobabble they'd use.
>some sort of explanation for his birthmark pattern.
Kinda hoping ayyylmaos gave it to him at birth. The DS game said Dipper's face was blue when he was born, maybe they intervened to save his life.
Alex is about the right age to have seen Flight of the Navigator when it was a regularly featured as an afternoon movie on the disney channel.
>What I would personally like from the finale:
They re-activate the flying saucer and use its tech to blast Bill.
No care-bear-stare power-of-love BS.
I just wish she made some lez pics of Mabel with the other b.g. girls.
Instead we get more Tyrone with Dipper and less Mabel.
But yet she into guy on guy with Dipp / Tyrone.
She drew an AU with Dipper as a girl struggling with gender identity. Incest still included.
To each their own I guess, my best friend is still into dark tentacle hentai.
Agreed, just wish someone comissioned some Lez pieces
Well, different strokes for different folks.
At first I was hooked by the deep lore and mysteries of the show, which then evolved into my liking of the characters and appreciation of the comedy.
>some sort of explanation for his birthmark pattern. (Perfect big dipper by chance? Come on)
Look, the birthmark is supposed to be his symbol as an anomaly, much like Ford's six fingers.
>Look, the birthmark is supposed to be his symbol as an anomaly, much like Ford's six fingers.
I kind of like the idea if you relate that to their wheel symbols it shows a bit of insight into their character. Ford embraced his anomalous nature and turned his back on his family so his symbol is the 6 fingered hand. Dipper has a birthmark that sets him apart but he ultimately sides with his family in situations so his symbol is the pine tree.
That is unless Ford is the glasses, in which case everything I just said is bullshit.
yeah, there's plenty of ways to enjoy the show - i just feel that a lot of the ill will in these threads comes from people who expected things to be mystery/plot first and comedy/characters second instead of the other way around. having expectations of a work opposite of the creators intentions is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
When did hirsch "play off the mistake as part of a clever plan?"
Seriously, that never happened. Find an actual quote. Not just "Well I heard on Tumblr that he said something like..."
Its so weird that show creators get so much hate not only for things they do say,but even more for things they dont say.
>Deviantart is still weird fetish central to my knowledge.
That weird level of fetish too, where it doesn't even look like pornography anymore and instead resembles some kind of absurdist art performance done by a schizophrenic.
What if they realize that the weirdness effecting Gravity Falls actually gives them the same powers they had in the mindscape.
What if Bill really is defeated by Soos's magic love stomach beam stare and not just the metaphorical power of heart?
It's Soos man. He probably lost it somewhere in his room and then decided it wasn't worth looking for.
He's the same guy that once got his head stuck in the sleeve of a sweater and had resigned himself to living that way forever.
>It's Soos man.
Folk songs were written about him.
He probably refused to have any until everyone else got pizza.
I've just found this
>Hirsch as of late uncovered that a foe will be returning in the upcoming one-hour long scene. "Time Baby is a character who, in the universe of 'Gravity Falls,' has a level of power similar to Bill," said Alex Hirsch in a recent interview with TV Insider.
>"I will say this, although we've seen Time Baby blasted to little time pieces, he might not be quite as destroyed as you might believe," the creator clarified.
According to reports, Time Baby's return in "Weirdmageddon III" might just a stage standoff between two of "Gravity Falls" most prominent foes, Bill Cipher and Time Baby himself.
Jesus fucking Christ, why
Idiots. This is from an interview about Weird 1, not Weird 3. This is months old. "ischoolguide" is the same made up BS new site that said that Rick & Morty & Simpsons were doing a crossover. Dont waste time getting mad over made up shit
My name is The Sqoou, I'm an oldfag in disguise, believe it or not. I'm sorry I trolled you with my newfaggotry act. I've actually been here all summer. There are adult conversations here. Reddit is for kids. I've been waiting for the finale to have discussions with you guys. It's just, sometimes I have to speak as myself. We have that option and some of us use it from time to time. I mean, all of us are here on Saturday and Sunday. My psyche isn't that different from any other faggot who wastes his life in this shit hole every day. No one cared who I was until I put on the name.
Fair enough. I'll remember that for the future.
Hope you're doing okay, Boybox. Not that lack of motivation necessarily means being down, just hoping you are well and that isn't the case.
This teaser is basically telling us
>Gravity Falls has been through a lot, Weirdmageddon fucked it up really, really, really bad and it's time to get it back now
No. I don't feel that way yet.
It's only day 4 into the apocalypse and we were fast-forwarded through days 1, 2 and 3. We've only had two 22 minute episodes about it. I want more because I don't feel like Gravity Falls has gone through a lot of shit due to Bill.
This arc should've been an 8 parter MINIMUM.
I'm perfectly fine with characters being the focus of the story, since that's really what endears me to the show anyways, but if that was the case, we should haven gotten more character development than we did.
Pacifica could have used a 'post-redemption' episode, how Ford interacts with Stan and Mabel could be more fleshed out, Mcgucket and Ford have some serious unresolved shit- An episode where the Pines help Mcgucket get back on his feet could be good, too. Shitposters here hating Mabel aside, the last episode could have been a fantastic opportunity to develop Mabel's character, but that was squandered.
Basically, if the argument is that the mystery is overshadowed by the characters(which is fine by me), the characters should bring way more to the table than they do.
I mean, ultimately, even if the finale is complete horseshit the likes of which we've never seen before, Gravity Falls will still be a great show. But it could be so much more, which is why constructive criticism of fiction is important.
Tiny Bill hops onto your desk, looking oblivious to everything, despite being an ageless entity that claims to know everything. He is considerably quiet and all he does is look at you working on your desk. Then he sits there, waiting for something, as he stares at you adorably with his glossing one eye. What would you do?
1. Give him a pat
2. Cease working and bring him closer to your palms to play with him
3. Pretend to ignore to see what he's up to
4. Tell him to fuck off
Constructive criticism is both valuable and vital, no doubt, but it can be a little frustrating that when a piece of fiction (particularly one onscreen) has already been written and produced, said criticism is really only useful to the next creative attempt.
True, there's nothing that can change Gravity Falls as it is now, but future cartoons can benefit from it.
Of course, there's Alex or any of the crew for Gravity Falls isn't likely to be lurking here at any given time, so it's not like they'll see it.
But it still makes for interesting discussion.
I've given this thought before, and I've come to the conclusion that a creator must walk a fine line between listening to fan criticism and ignoring it. Dismiss it all, and you don't have the advantage of knowing what viewers/readers respond to. Listen too much, and you're likely to wind up making a messy pile of shit.
Of course, you can never please everyone, nor should you WANT to please everyone even if it was theoretically possible, because like you said, it would be a goddam mess.
It's all about listening to criticism first, and then deciding what rings true and what doesn't, and working to improve yourself/your work accordingly.
If creators listened to fans all the time and you'd end up with pure shit yeah.
Honestly what fandom communities want and what show creators want are two very different things. Fandoms latch onto stuff like worldbuilding and shipping - they don't really care about plot or character development outside of how it would occur in their incredibly specific fanfictions that might not jive with the creators original vision at all.
I've seen from some of the crew members' AMAs that they took stock of a lot of the feedback from making Season 1 in making Season 2. Like how in the second episode there was no supernatural explanation for anything and some people threw hissy fits, so they made sure to have something supernatural in every episode.
Too late for any constructive criticism to actually construct anything now, though. Except for any comics that might turn up?
>would stanley steal fizzy lifting drinks
Stanley would steal
stanley would steal oompa loompas and start up an illegal oompa loompa trafficking racket
would stanford steal fizzy lifting drinks? probably, to study their anti-gravitational effects
I wonder if they'd planned the whole repeated mindwipes thing at that point.
>"How could you forget our wedding anniversary?"
>"I don't think I even remember what year it is!"
or something along those lines.
Oh yeah, so it is. It's been a while since I watched the early episodes.
It would be amazing and heartbreaking if McGuckett had abandoned his computer company and moved across country to work with Ford, met a local girl, fell in love and got married while he was building the portal, fathered a child and then drove himself insane with so many mindwipes that he was left a gibbering wreck out on the street for something close to 30 years.
Imagine how hyped people would be if the Part 2 cliffhanger involved the wheel
Ah shit, yeah. There's so much in his backstory that adds up and it gets worse as you go along.
Wife would've had to be someone he met in Gravity Falls, otherwise I doubt the son would still be living there.
Wasn't there a newspaper article seen in Society of the Blind Eye saying he'd been found alone in the street? Entirely abandoned. Son's still around by the time of the Gobblewonker episode but would've been a kid at the time, left with only his mother and only knowing his father as the memory-wiping maniac. Could just be Season 2 not matching up with Season 1, but if you do fit it together like this... that's one hell of a tragedy.
First thing that came to mind when I saw the cliffhanger we did get was the wheel. Dipper, Mabel, Wendy and Soos all turning up, all on the wheel, and finding Stan, McGucket and Pacifica there – generally accepted to be on the wheel too. That's 7 out of 10 of them all in one place. Then Ford's a gold statue, Robbie's a stone statue and Gideon's tried to take Bill on. So they're all with him already.
When whatever assault they're probably planning takes place, Bill's gonna end up with all ten of them around him, and the result could well be catastrophic.
(I've also seen people talking about McGucket = Glasses and Pacifica = Llama being relevant here. They're both in the Mystery Shack. McGucket likes wearing glasses and might try on Ford's old pair lying around. Pic related. Meanwhile Pacifica in that ragged dress might be offered some of Mabel's old clothes – perhaps her llama sweater.)
No, two episodes was enough, Alex just screwed it up. If they would have dropped the court thing, we could have had more B-Plot with Bill, Bill WAS the b-plot of the episode and had 2 scenes totaling like 2 minutes.
2 22 minute episodes= 44 minutes, that's enough to set in the thing you said, but they just didn't do it well.
>When did hirsch "play off the mistake as part of a clever plan?"
>Seriously, that never happened. Find an actual quote.
Listen to this Q&A and judge for yourself:
Particularly, note the audience reaction. Hirsch knows how to work a room.
It would have cost him no extra time to confirm the character as Shermie or just say "Ha ha, funny story, we slipped up there..." instead. He's explained other mistakes in the past, so it shouldn't be an issue of misplaced pride or wanting to cover anybody's asses. He's pretty good about it, really. Instead, he answered in a way that fuelled speculation.
didnt alex explicitly say somewhere that bill wasn't supposed to be the final boss?
>candy and grenda have elaborate post-apocalypse designs
>pacifica just has some rags
pacifica confirmed for not doing shit and will probably stay behind or get turned to stone immediately
I admit I'll be thoroughly disappointed if we don't get some comics. Disney owns one of the biggest freaking comic book companies in the world.
I hope they also choose to print material featuring their other animated franchises. I thought when Boom Studies lost the rights that plans were being made to do so, but surprisingly nothing so far.
Nah. That's a really common misconception in these threads, though, thanks to the way Alex worded his answer.
He said that we'd learn more about the true villain eventually, but he didn't confirm or deny that it was Bill:
>Gravity Falls is a show about mysteries and magic but first and foremost it’s a show about characters. The arrival of a new member of the Pines family will have ripples that dramatically affect the lives of Dipper, Mabel, Stan, and others. It’s exciting to finally reveal this big answer, but even more exciting to me are the new mysteries that this will begin to illuminate...What is Bill Cipher really after—and who is the true villain in Gravity Falls? For fans of the show, the mystery has only just begun.
Obviously, he was trying to maintain some uncertainty at that point since it was before 2B had even begun airing.
I can't help but still wonder about the whole Grunkle4Grandpa thing. It does seem most likely that the baby not matching up with the timeline is a mistake. Alex in the video could just be throwing out a red herring. And if the show's going to acknowledge the timeline mismatch as part of the story rather than it being a mistake on the creators, then why does Stan try to brush it off as them being Shermie's grandkids when they're obviously not? Though perhaps just dismissing it when Dipper and Mabel are in the room. Who knows.
Anyway, there's just enough there to keep speculation going. "Grandpa the Kid" being the movie playing at the cinema where Stan meets Carla McCorkle, for instance – it's oddly aptly placed. And then there's this line:
>Movies are great! You watch the movie, you scare the girl, the girl snuggles up next to you, next thing you know you gotta raise a kid, your life falls apart... forget that last part.
Feels a bit personal, doesn't it?
Thing is, though, what would they do with it?
As people have been saying above in the thread, trying to say they're closer to Grunkle Stan because of him being their grandpa instead would be bullshit. And the show's got precedent for things like that being treated as bullshit that – Blendin's Game and Soos realising he doesn't need his biological dad any more when he's got his own family now. So perhaps Stan could pull something like that, maybe to try and bring the twins closer to him if he's worried about them getting too close to Ford instead (though didn't Stanchurian Candidate already deal with that?), but only if the show fully acknowledged that the argument was bullshit.
(1/2. oh god why am I writing this much about this)
But a better way it could fit is as the final step in Stan becoming more honest. That's been recurring throughout Season 2, from him admitting he's always known about the supernatural in the first episode, through Not What He Seems and telling roughly his life story in A Tale of Two Stans. Even up to Roadside Attraction he's sincerely admitting to Dipper that he's not quite as good with the ladies as he'd like to seem. This could be a final step in that – Stan letting them in on a secret he's been keeping most of his life. Especially poignant if there's a high chance of them dying.
I won't say I'm expecting them to pull the whole "Dipper and Mabel, I am your grandfather" on us in the finale. But I don't think it's entirely out of the question.
>Will Dipper's real name ever be revealed? Or is it just something that doesn't matter to the show?
Even if it is revealed it really isn't something that matters in the show anyway. Likely it would be both.
>it really isn't something that matters in the show anyway
Maybe it matters.
>I want more because I don't feel like Gravity Falls has gone through a lot of shit due to Bill.
We saw Bill and his posse wrangle up 95% percent of Gravity Falls to turn into his personal throne.
Supposedly his real name is
Llamanic, due to a misprint, but that could very well have been a joke. Does it matter to the show? Well, I can't say that it would have much of an impact, besides maybe playing a part in Dipper's self doubt. It's more of source of curiosity for the fans.
I never really had any idea how Stan being the grandpa would contribute to the narrative, but I admit I was still kind of expecting it based on the number of hints there were that Grunkle Stan had an ex-wife. Maybe those were going to mean something in the original three seasons plan.
oh god I got about a quarter of the way through that and realised "cain and mabel"
that'd be contrived as hell (even worse names to give twins than Stanley and Stanford) but oh god
It was just one guy.
but his relentless forcing of it and general dissatisfaction with 2B made it more popular
people tend to dislike when they are lied to repeatedly
I'm not sure about the whole ex-wife thing. Sure, he had one, but there was the cipher for Roadside Attraction:
>CARLA MCCORKLE RETURNED ALL HIS FLOWERS
>MARILYN DIVORCED HIM AFTER ONLY SIX HOURS
>BEATRICE SLAPPED HIM FOR BEING A CAD
>OLD GOLDIE'S THE BEST GIRLFRIEND STAN EVER HAD
Marilyn's the ex-wife, but most of the "evidence" that gets floated around for Stan being the grandpa points to Carla instead.
He couldn't really have had a wife and a kid when on the road as a dodgy salesman, could he? Ten years getting banned from a couple of dozen US states, likely not staying in the same place enough time to get married and to have a child. But he was with Carla before he got kicked out, early 70s. That's more plausible. Even if he'd have had to be a teenager. Parents could've ended up looking after his kid, which would explain the baby in that scene.
(Didn't people work out that, for the timeline to fit, the twins would have to be the kids of a 14-year old who was the kid of 14-year-old Shermie? If Hirsch is at least acknowledging there possibly being something up with the baby then, well, you know which one's less far-fetched.)
Ah, I don't know. Don't know why I'm still hanging onto this old theory and trying to bullshit it into plausibility. Hey, maybe they're just Old Goldie's grandkids. Nothing says "grandfather" like an oil-spouting old statue. Pic slightly related.
I like your reasoning a lot, actually. But Alex did directly state Stan was not a father:
He tricked fans before with the McGucket leak, and he's given plenty of misleading answers. But he's never outright lied about the story before. I suppose one could twist that answer around to say he "doesn't have a kid" because he gave it to his parents to raise, or something. But that might be a bit much.
I hope his name is left unknown. That's one of the small ambient mysteries where giving a direct answer wouldn't add anything to the story. It doesn't hurt the integrity of the plot at all.
>I like your reasoning a lot, actually. But Alex did directly state Stan was not a father:
I like one of the replies to that.
>Gompers is no longer a kid, he is a full grown goat now.
>Abel and Cain theory
Haven't seen that one in a while. Can I just say, though, that if you combine that with the thing about twins having names in which the first syllables match (Stan-ley and Stan-ford), Dipper's name would be Ma-in. A main character called Main.
>but that could very well have been a joke
Saying "Alex screwed up" is a pretty dumb way of saying "the crew screwed up" There's 5 writers and ton of artists as well as executives, and a different writer takes the lead of every episode, with Alex only acting to add jokes afterward. I agree Weird 2 wasnt that great but Alex gets both too much credit and too much blame for the work of a huge team
>Dipper's name would be Ma-in. A main character called Main.
no wonder he chooses to go by the name of his embarrassing birthmark rather than goddamn "main"
it ain't happening though
He pulled one hoax to try to keep the mystery going, and then admitted it once the hoax was complete. Since then he's been the only reliable source of news about the show, but no one never beleives him about stuff because its more fun to imagine that he's this evil puppetmaster and not just a guy doing his job.
Honestly, this is why I don't want Dipper's name to be revealed in canon--it's too much fun watching people come up with their own answers.
> I'd pretty much already come to this conclusion.
It seems like a fairly obvious explanation in retrospect. But for a while the fan wiki listed it as his official name, so it's not surprising the idea's still floating around the fandom.
Yeah! Can't wait for Robbie, a bag of ice and a llama to save the world!
The only similarity I see between Bill's henchmen and Yo Gabba Gabba is a monster with one eye.
Well, he's only been shown to like girls in the show and the one time he went mouth to mouth with a guy he hated it. Of course that could have been because he was a merfolk and his mouth tasted like the ocean smells at low tide but the likely answer is that he's straight.
They also both come in a rainbow assortment of colours. But so do most other groups of character in kids' shows.
Depends if you count
his own clone.
I wish This show had gotten a third season. Not in the sense that there would be any stories following weirdmageddon but that it would have been spaced better. Season one as it exists,Season two more mysteries-character driven stuff then season three the buildup to weirdmageddon and the finale the conclusion to Bill's reign of terror. This all just seems too rushed and random to be very satisfying. I know Alex says he quit but i still suspect he was fired.
The spelling and punctuation really isn't an issue (I clearly understood what you were saying), but a post such as that one can put the poster at risk of being excessively criticized himself. So, it's important to double check for errors in these cases.
I admit I'm not sure what plot you are referencing, so I don't know.
i just wanted to respond to be a dick. I'm not the guy, but you got your reasoning out there so that's good.
The original poster in this situation probably didn't try though. And the plot I referenced was for this next episode, a synopsis.
Alex didn't come up with her. Robert Ryan Cory designed all of the henchnerds.
That said, she absolutely was created as fap fuel.
Fap fuel that still sucks in Dipper, Mabel, Wendy, and Pacifica.
Dipper and Robbie have some really cute feet. Its a shame we didn't get to see them more in the show. at least Boybox is around.
Beyond being the final confrontation with Bill, I don't know. We've gotten the teaser with the flag, so clearly there's going to be some kind of unification of the remaining forces, but beyond that it's all guesses. There will probably be more solid theories once the preview is released. Whenever that might be.
A. Manzi breakup
B. Season 2b isn't as good as we hoped
C. /sueg/ got banned and they're salty
D. All of the above
IT'S REAL DEAD HOURS NIGGA
SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON
There was plenty of material to go over too! I understand Ford is supposed to be mysterious and sagely, but all I wanted ONE episode focused on Stan and Ford. Since the reveal we've gotten one or the other, but not both.
Plus, I think the weirdmageddon episodes so far work better in conjunction as a movie than as separate episodes.
>watched Whiplash the other day
>imagining Stanford swearing his head off and throwing chairs at people
JK Simmons is a hell of an actor. That Oscar was well deserved.
>Escape From Reality happens after the wheel has been assembled.
>Each character sees their dream reality.
What do they see, /co/? How do they break out of it?
>Pacifica sees loving, supporting, and generous parents that nurture her and love her unconditionally.
>Dipper manages to break through to her, and Pacifica sadly has to admit that her parents love their status first, wealth second, and her, at best, third.
its the best ship though.
>Stan sees himself and Ford traveling around the world in their own boat, discovering gold and treasure.
>The greatest treasure they have is a framed family photo of them with their father giving them his approval.
>Dipper, Mabel, and Soos break him out of it, and Stan painfully has to let go of what could have been.
>Wendy experiences a lifetime where her mother is still alive.
>Raising her, talking to her when she starts going through puberty, comforting her after her first crush and first heartbreak, being the perfect mother daughter pair.
>Wendy holds onto her delusion the lingest, before tearfully saying, no, you died when I was six. This never happened. This isn't real.
>Fake!Mom melts away, wailing out, begging Wendy to help her.
>Soos sees his dad back in his life and Stan treats him as a son, too. He marries Melody, but Giffany is magically alive again as his supportive BFF.
>Wendy lives in Portland, is popular in school, and her mom is a part of her life again.
>Robbie has a Wendy that loves him and better self-control.
No ideas for how the break from it right now.
Oh, this one's good. But holy fuck, dark shit. mfw
Eh, best ship is just whatever caters to your personal fetishes/preferences or, failing that, what makes the jerks on tumblr the maddest.
I don't hate Dipper but there's a lot of projection i.e. Tenchi/other anime harem show protagonist all over the fandom, he gets put with whoever the fan has a crush on and they self insert.
Also Dipper's fine but he's not particularly interesting like, say, Stan.
Hetero-wise Pinecest pisses them off the most, bar none. There Pinecest tag is flooded with you're an abuser and pedophile who wants to rape your kids and siblings blah blah.
But there's a sizable contigent that sees shipping any of the kid ships (Dipfica, Candip, Mabifica) as pedophilia because why would you ship any kids unless you wanted to fuck kids etc so it's better to ask what ship doesn't piss them off. Oh yeah, Wendip is statutory rape too, forget to mention that one.
That was the biggest one that really set it off but Pinecest is a close second, it's just either not as popular on tumblr or well hidden so they're yelling and screaming at nobody over it on there.
Really any GF pairing you can think of probably has one or more x-is-dead screechy hate blogs though.
ignore him to see what he's up to
Can we all agree that Soos is the best character on the show?
>x-is-dead screechy hate blogs
Oh jeez that's something I've been seeing a lot more of, also people defining themselves by their ship hate. Creating blogs like 'hello I am an anti and i want to be a part of the community.' I can't believe these people are taking on ship hate as their identity.
Implying you didn't laugh at
>I predicted that, like, a year ago
Just try to deport the world's most perfect man
wendy literally never shows any signs of romantic affection or even crushing on dipper, it's completely 1-sided
>two sibling have a close, loving relationship
>CLEARLY THEY MUST ACTUALLY WANT TO FUCK EACHOTHER
this is almost as bad as tumblr's "two guys are friends therefore they must be in a homosexual relationship" shit