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ITT: Big 2 characters that have had real character development

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>Starts out as generic jock bully
>Becomes fan of Spider-Man
>Actually befriends puny Parker
>Realizes he's been wasting his life and joins the army
>Goes through a lot of shit such as alcoholism, being framed and amesia
>Returns to army and loses his legs
>Becomes a hero, and goes through even more shit
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>Big 2
>writing and characters that aren't complete shit

Pick one.
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I've been wondering this, but does Flash know that Pete is Spider-Man?
Does Pete know about Flash being Venom?
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>>77975208
No on both. The symbiote knows but chooses not to tell him.
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>>77975208
>>77975240
Pete actually knows Flash is Venom now, he was pretty pissed at the Avengers for knowing that and never telling him
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>>77975156
I guess legacy characters that have earned their new ranks/names.

So Sam Wilson, Bucky Barnes, Wally West (pre nu52), Dick Grayson, etc.

Also, Scott Summers. He was always right, but never as right as he is now.
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Cyclops, I guess? Although last Uncanny put nail in coffin that is X-Men.
Damian got developed, then you consider that other Robins regressed and were dumbed down. Dick really hit motherlode with Forever Evil and start of Grayson.
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>>77975293
He was more pissed about them knowing about flash being venom than he was about them being retarded about him being body jacked for months.
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>>77975171
I'll pick 2: You're. Wrong.
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>>77975779
Pissed enough to punch Captain America in the face at least.
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Dick Grayson, if we're talking about from his inception to who he is now.
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>>77975156
Lex Luthor, Sinestro, Black Adam and Captain Cold.
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>>77975156
Ronan the Accuser and the Super-Skrull both started out as just lackeys of their Empire that hated Earth and each other, but have since both become respected leaders and comrades in arms that have fought alongside the heroes from Earth.
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>>77975171
I'll pick Big 2! It's posts like these that make me glad for capeshit making you annoyed!
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>>77976031
Super-Skrull went back to pulling the same old shit in Secret Invasion.

He should've been on the Annihilators.
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>>77976104
>Super-Skrull went back to pulling the same old shit in Secret Invasion.
No he didn't, he actually went against his own people during that event because he didn't believe in the prophecy the extremists espoused.
He since became the new Skrull Emperor after unifying the Skrulls during the War against the Builders and being a valuable ally to the Avengers
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>>77976145
He specifically betrayed Nova in the latter's solo series, unless something happened in another tie-in I missed.
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>>77975156

Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown both had tons before the reboot.
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>>77976168
Yes, you missed the part where he made it look like he killed Nova but actually turned him invisible. It was an act.
You then missed the She-Hulk Secret Invasion tie-in where he tries to save his daughter, who was on Earth
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Well, before Flashpoint/Convergence I guess.
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>>77976023
Based Johns.
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>>77976232
yea, green lantern is pretty developed.
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>>77976389
Its BOOSTER GOLD you frickin freak
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>>77976389
> green lantern

What are you blind? That's Blue Beetle.
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>>77976232
What do you mean before Convergence?
Convergence continued to develop him.
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>>77976456
Dude, no. That's Animal Man. The BB is for Buddy Baker, ya tard.
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>>77976389
What is this meme of saying that Booster is GL?
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Obligatory Dick Grayson mention! Goes from gee whiz Boy Wonder to team leader/occasional angst bucket Nightwing to extremely based Batman who mentors his own Robin. And now seductive, globe-trotting secret agent.
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>>77976586
how new are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Zahj8bC3I
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>>77976560
No you mongoloid thats The Creeper
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>>77976668
I don't watch cartoons that much.
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>>77976331
Indeed!
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>>77976178
And Babs. Dear lord BaBS.
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>>77976389
clearly Polka Dot Man
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Wally West had one of the longest runs of continued, good development under multiple creative teams when he became the Flash following Barry's "death".

Stargirl when she first becomes a superhero in Johns' Stars and STRIPES series is a VERY different character from late in Johns' JSA run, and it's really cool to see her go from a bratty little shit into a mature, composed superheroine that goes on to mentor other young heroes in the JSA.
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>>77977969
Songbird and Mach-Whatever remain heroes to this day.
Sadly, Moonstone, Fixer and Atlas all went back to being villains.
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>>77979027
When'd Atlas go back to being a villain?
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>>77976031
Shame they've reverted to making Ronan a villain again, cause "muh movies". I'm not even joking, this is solely what Black Vortex did with his character.
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>>77979142
Technically he didn't. He joined Wonder-Man's crazy "Avengers make everything bad and shouldn't exist" team and it tuned out he joined because he was butt-hurt that he never got invited to the Avengers or any other superteams.
He hasn't shown up since.
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>>77979297
Wonder Man was right.
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>>77979334
No, he wasn't.
The fact that the Earth would have been destroyed long ago without the Avengers is all the evidence one needs.
All of his "worst things that ever hapened are the Avengers fault" speech was stupid since it ignored much worse things that have hapened, and many of the things he said couldn't really be blamed on the Avengers as a whole anyway.
Wonder Man went through a mental breakdown because he stupidly thought he wasn't real, then realized how stupid and crazy he was.
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>>77975156
Where should I go if I want to read every Agent Venom stories?
I already read the ones in the "spiderman universe" comics but it doesn't show the beginning nor the circle of four arc (and there is probably other parts that are missing)
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>>77981058
Read his ongoing until circle of four

Venom after that isn't anything special, especially compared to the amazing start
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>>77981233
It's good until Bunn takes over but the last few issues in Philly were alright. Carnage USA was good too.
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>>77981058
>>77981233
He also had a nice stint during Remender's run of Secret Avengers
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Eddie Brock got some nice development too
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>>77975156
Megatron in the IDW comics.
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>>77975156
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Scott Summers
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>>77981628
Basically he was good when Remender was writing him.

Man, Marvel really fucked up with Remender, they needed to let him do what he wanted to do, between Agent Venom and his UXF run he really proved that he could develop characters, which marvel needs pretty desperately.
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>>77981792
Well, at least until they killed Pat and gave Toxin to Eddie.
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>>77975156
Every major character in 52.
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>>77981233
>>77981628
>>77982000
Thanks everyone, guess now I'll just have to find where to read that Remender part
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>>77982063
I think Bunn gave him Toxin. They were trying to make Bunn the symbiotic guy for a while, what with him doing the Carnage minis and Venom.
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>>77982134
Secret Avengers vol.1 from 22 onwards (there's also a 21.1 issue where Flash joins the team) is written by Remender.
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>>77975293
He hasn't talked to him about it though and Flash doesn’t know Pete knows.
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>>77981827
Is he still Autobot? Who's leading Decepticons?
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>>77982063
Do we know what happened to Pat other than an off-panel death?
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>>77982766
No
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>>77975156
The Gladiator from Miller's DD run is the only character I can think of that got a COMPLETE character arc that wasn't originally intended to.
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The most developed character in comics.
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>>77983262
>that butt
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>>77975992
>>77976647
>>77983262
>Dick Grayson
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>>77983193
And then Brubaker fucked it all up by turning him into a crazy mass murderer. The end.
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>>77975240
>The symbiote knows but chooses not to tell him.
It actually doesn't. Not anymore. Slott made sure of that.

In New Ways to Die, MacGargan talks about how the symbiote used to know who was under the Spidey mask, but mysteriously forgot.

And then, again, during Superior Spider-Man, despite being bonded to SpOck for a few issues, Flash talks about how the symbiote couldn't read any of the mental thoughts SpOck had, because it was like "two frequencies at the same time" or some shit like that.
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>>77979297
The Revengers were a sweet team. I think we can all agree on that.
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>>77981792
I miss symbiote hunter Brock.
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>>77976389
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>>77983262
Ha, they drew the butt.
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>>77983847
no fucking way
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Goodnight my sweet prince
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>>77983743
No, we can't, it was dumb and made all the characters in it look like pathetic whiners.
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I stopped after Remender's run of Venim. Where should I pick-up.
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Sentry.
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>>77985174
I'm not sure you can really count that as development.
All Bendis did was say "remember all those stories about Sentry being a cool hero, well it's all lies, he was a whiny junkie all along!". It wasn't organic at all, he just twisted the character to fit a role
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>>77979378
>Wonder Man went through a mental breakdown because he stupidly thought he wasn't real, then realized how stupid and crazy he was.

this describes so so many Bendis plots
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>>77985307
Really? What others?
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>>77976741

If you like superheroes at all, I'd highly recommend that you watch the DCAU.
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>>77985378
Well, not the "thought he wasn't real" part, but...

Cyclops in X-Men

Osborn in Dark Reign

Sentry in the whole Bendisvengers saga
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>>77985274
>"remember all those stories about Sentry being a cool hero, well it's all lies, he was a whiny junkie all along!"
That was entirely Jenkins tho.
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>>77983396
That arc was when I started to sour on Brubaker's DD. I'm all for bad ends and shit but from that arc on the series just shat on DD and everything he'd accomplished until he went into one of the worst stories he's ever been in.
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>>77975171
well meme'd my friend.
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>>77982766
>>77983102

I'm still fucking salty about that. I remember back when we only knew that Toxin was coming back there were ideas being thrown around as speculation in /co/ threads that were a million times more interesting than what actually ended up happening.
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>>77983880

Someone opened up the package, put Booster Gold in there and re-sealed it to make the picture as a joke.
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>>77986662
More like somebody shooped the GL part.
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