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Do people unironically like this trash? Within the first seconds

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Do people unironically like this trash? Within the first seconds I could tell something was off. And that's not an exaggeration.


The only thing I can guess is that it's either people who never watched the original show, or didn't understand why it was good.
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>>77924008
In defense of the people that do like that trash, I feel the exact same way you felt about the original Avatar.
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>>77924008
Some people are not autistic and can enjoy things.
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Bitching about Korra should be a shitposting offense at this point.
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>>77924008
The only people who defend Korra either like it for the shipping or like it because lesbians.
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>>77924102
That's what pisses me off the most. The people that like Korra had probably never even heard of the original show.
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>>77924008
its not a bad show, is just that it build things up, doesn't deliver and the whole thing doesn't feel like it amounts to anything.

Compared with the other show that had clear goals and ideas
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i managed to survive frist season, but after the complete asspull ending i gave up.
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>>77924071
Sure. And some people are autistic and can enjoy shitty things. Like LoK.
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It's not a bad show at all compared to whatever else was on at the time.

People who hate Korra either hate it for the shipping or hate it because of lesbians.
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>>77924008
I thought I was going to like it, but seven or eight episodes in I was starting to see it was turning into shit but I kept watching it, and after the Amon revel and the suicide ending with Korra getting her bending back through no action of her own I decided to stop after the first season and never picked it up. Glad I did, honestly. Seems like it screwed the pooch even worse.
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>>77924269
I hate Korra because The Last Airbender was one of the best cartoons of all time. And the follow up to it was a show that was mediocre at best, and awful at worst.
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>>77924073
shitposting is an offense?
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>>77924008
Yep, I do like LOK. It's not ATLA, mind you, but I still like it. Also, many of its shortcomings are Nicklelodeon's fault rather than the screenwriters'.
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>>77924132
One of my friends watched Korra and liked it, but refuses to watch the original because it stars kids.

What a fag
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I like season 3 and Korra's tits
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>>77924008
It's still a good show on its own, it's just that it's constantly being compared to its predecessor, which in turn is an absolute masterpiece and one of the best things to ever have come out of television. It had huge shoes to fill, which makes it look a great deal worse than it really is.
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>>77924008
i like the porn that it caused does that count
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>>77924269
I hated Korra because of Bryke's inability to make compelling characters and always uses daddy issues for nearly everything, and Suyin. Fuck Suyin, she was a shit person and I still didn't know how they thought she was likable in any fashion.
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You can enjoy LoK just fine. Comparing it with ATLA is not an obligation.
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>>77924008
The first series was probably the pinnacle of a kids cartoon that is also high quality enough to be enjoyed by almost any age. It does a lot of things really well. IMO it's a 10/10 series or very close to it.

Korra is maybe a 7 overall.
Season 1 is like a 8-9 up until the ending which drops it to a 6.
Season 2 is a 4
Season 3 is an 8
Season 4 is a 7

Its about a 6.5/10 overall.
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>>77924379
Can you explain what the point of it was?

Why not just make a sequel to the last airbender, but have them as adults facing a new threat?

Why make up a bunch of new mediocre characters and settings?
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>>77924392
Am I to assume you've never watched the original show?
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>>77924392
>Season 3 is an 8
it's a 6 at the beginning

>Season 4 is a 7
it's a 5 at the ending.

the entire show is probably 4 or 5.
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>>77924008
>Still mad

Also, don't feed the troll.
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>>77924509
If you actually like Korra, then you're trolling yourself.
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>>77924529
If you care so damn much what other people think of something you hate, then you're trolling yourself.
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How do we make Korra a better person? How to fix her?
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>>77924364
Sure. The whole reason the Fandom has stayed strong at all is lesbians and general rule34. All the discussions on this board for LoK are centered around them fucking or how terrible the show is.
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ATLA 3 > ATLA 2 > Korra 3 > ATLA 1 > Korra 1 > Korra 4 > Korra 2
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>>77924746
Thanks for clearing that up.
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>>77924678
People ask the same thing about the Star wars prequels,and the answer is the same, you can't.

Legend of Korra is so fundamentally bad, that no amount or rewriting could ever fix it, let alone make it good.
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>>77924746
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>>77924678
Make her be less of a fuck-up.

They characterized Korra as pretty much the exact opposite of Aang, which could've been fine except they did it in the worst possible way - by taking all the virtues of her predecessor and flipping them over into flaws. All they managed to do was to make us miss Aang and how great Aang was at things and how she fucks everything up by comparison.

Contrasts and opposites only work if both sides are both equally good and positive, and equally negative and flawed. But here, Korra's brashness and violence and anger fucked shit up infinitely more than Aang's pacifism and kindness ever did - while on the opposite, where Aang's pacifism actually helped gain a good end and other such stuff, Korra's rage never did, never even could have.

In short, all they would've had to do was to make her rage through shit and actually make it solve problems.
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>>77924008
>Within the first seconds I could tell something was off.
To go with the ideas they went with it does feel off as the show goes on with issues and problems cropping up. There are a lot of ways to approach a sequel with a different Avatar after AtLA. But within the first few seconds?

The Avatar easily gets the hang of elements once they awaken to the Avatar spirit in them. It was always when they were older because the White Lotus would come by and tell them they are the Avatar. But why couldn't they use the other elements other than their native one before some old people shipped them off to other places? It's not like Korra was shooting off lightning effortlessly like Mako, she was just a kid playing. The three element usage at a young age isn't an offense.

The first episode did move slow considering how little time they have to work with though I will give you that. They could have streamlined things and detailed scenes to better suit the narrative, but the first few seconds aren't evidence of something being off.

It does start to show problems with the introduction of the brothers and then with the love triangle making everything shit.
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Nice troll thread man

I don't like Korra, Mako or Asami because they're boring as fuck but I like most of the other characters and I like that their problems are a little more nuanced and complex than "The unequivocally-evil Fire Nation is conquering the world." I absolutely agree that it's not as good as Last Airbender but if you say "I new it was gonna be bad in the first few seconds," you're an autist.
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>>77924880
Yeah, I must be trolling, how could anyone possibly have an opinion that you disagree with?

From now on, all my threads will be safe spaces, where no one disagrees with you.
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>>77924943
You're expressing your opinion as an objective fact, now don't go flipping around and saying you were just telling us what you thought. You can't have your cake and eat it.
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I do.
Aside from season 2, It's a solid ride throughout. I mean, there where things wrong with it but it still kept my attention. Probably since there was more magic Kung fu scenes. TLA had issues too but no one cared for some reason.
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>>77924943
You can have your thread man, you can continue to say nothing interesting and keep repeating "it's shit," but I'm gonna tell you it's a low-effort troll thread because it is.
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>>77924008
>or didn't understand why it was good.
It only seemed good because it has more filler between fucking up.
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>>77924008
>Do people unironically like this trash?
I think Korra is shit and couldn't even bother following it after it got taken off of TV but anyone that has to like something ironically is a hipster cunt and thus far worse than any shitty psuedo-anime.

Either like something or don't but don't be a fucking coward about it.
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>>77924678
>>77924799

is Korra The Shinn Asuka of Avatars?
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>>77924943
>how could anyone possibly have an opinion that you disagree with?
>>77924008
>Do people unironically like this trash?

Both questions are somehow related with each other.
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I'm watching Korra for the first time, I'm like halfway through season 4.

One huge thing that's different is that Korra and her pals are old teenagers/young adults, so naturally they have a lot less fun. There's no room for antics and they have real jobs and responsibilities other than "Keep moving so Zuko/Azula doesn't kill us." The characters stay in the same place for seasons at a time. They're older too, so they're more sure of themselves.

Consequently, the characters aren't as conflicted. People bitch about the love triangle shit in the early seasons but I found it very realistic and unobtrusive, they get pissed at each other and break up and that's the end of it, they go back to doing their own shit and it wasn't a huge deal because they don't necessarily live and travel together at all times on the same flying bison.

I think Korra, Mako and Asami being boring as shit is part of why I don't like it as much as Avatar. Bolin is goofier obviously, but his personal conflicts are more interesting: he has to get over his ego as a movie star, he has to come to terms with Kuvira's empire being scarier than he thought it was, etc. The others always know what the correct thing to do is and just go do it, the only one with a measure of internal conflict is Korra and hers is boring "I don't know if I believe in myself" shit.
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>>77925045
Binge watched it this year, you are wrong.
Only season to have things that could pass as fillers as in, they had a pressing plot that requires urgency to be made but they get sidetracked was the first.

And even there said filler developted characters and made them growth.
Season 2 masters this, Season 3 closes most ends.
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>>77925673

I agree Bolin was one of the few characters that were fun in the show.

especially when paired up with Varrick.
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>>77925673
>but I found it very realistic and unobtrusive
What kind of bizarre world do you live in where relationship drama gets handwaved and everyone is fine with their current positions and even become friends when Mako straight up cheated Asami?
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Please enlighten us, why was Atla good?
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>>77925769
Characters were younger and they didn't have shit in their heads.
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>>77925769
Great characters, great chemistry, awesome world, and a story that was fairly cliched but very well carried by those other three things. There were little details everywhere you looked, the battle scenes were fun and epic and usually held a great deal of emotional impact, and overall it looked like everyone involved had time of their life in making this whole thing.

Legend of Korra, by contrast, had older and generally more poor characters, with teenage bullshit taking too much importance in their interactions and relationships, and the world was honestly a great deal more dull. The story was less predictable but the pillars that were supposed to carry it were far weaker, consequently leading to its entire collapse. Battle scenes were still pretty nice, though.
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Aang changed throughout the entire series even less than Korra did
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>>77925735
A world where a millionaire heiress to an enormous industrial corporation could give a shit that her relationship with a cop didn't work out.
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>>77925769
It had more writers and no one had succeeded before, so there was less of "I know what I'm talking about because my last show was a success" ego trips and more "Are you sure? Because half the room thinks this is a bad idea".
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>>77925863
Character development is not always required for a good story.

Aang, for example, didn't change much - but that was fine because he started out as a perfectly upstanding and good kid. He didn't really need to change: just about the only growth he had to do was accepting his responsibility as the Avatar and going through with whatever he had to be done.

Korra, by contrast, was a fuck-up. She really needed to change a lot, and even in the end, it's debatable whether it was enough.
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>>77925920
Basically, the exact same thing that wrecked Star Wars prequels.
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>>77925863
While absolutely true. ATLA had a proper deuteragonist. Korra did not.
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>>77924008
I prefer the second half of Korra out of anything in the series, but love both. Last Airbender was more consistent in its quality, whereas Korra felt rushed for the first two books.
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>>77925945
Exactly.I even almost said that Korra fell victim to the George Lucas effect.
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>>77924008
It's true that Korra was mostly bad, but I contend that the two Wan episodes were the absolute peak of either series.

I'd love to see more of the past Avatar adventures, to be honest. I was far more invested in all the ancient eastern stuff than any modern/steampunk bullshit.
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>>77925965
This
The Wan episodes were the only decent thing out of LoK.

The main reason I watched all of LoK was in the hope of seeing ATLA characters again.
But they turned into shadows of their former selves.
They turned such great characters into mediocore sideliners and had them suck the new characters' dicks.
Which made me hate the new characters even more.
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>>77924746
This is slightly true. But the episodic nature of ATLA is pretty much equal with Korra 3. While the white lotus steps up the game, they can only carry so hard. That season also had Lin and her bullshit perfect city, bolin learning lavabending without reason/beating a master lavabender at his own game, and Korra still acting like a prick and not learning her lessons.

While it was lacking in the love sub-plot (thank god) and had arguably the best villains, its just a shame we couldn't see or learn more about them. I'd say ATLA = Korra 3
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>>77924065
yeah well your feelings are wrong
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>>77924392

I give it an 8 overall.

Season 1 is 8/10
Season 2 is 7/10
Season 3 is 9/10
Season 4 is 8/10
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>>77926409
woah you have low standards
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>>77924746

I agree with this.
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>>77926438

Not really. I'm below the average imdb rating.
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>>77926490
>not really. here's this low standard to prove otherwise
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>>77926438
woah you have shit taste, like most of /co/
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>>77926797
>he actually likes LoK

kill yourself
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to be honest, Korra's biggest sin is it didn't have a clear endgame goal from the outset

if "The Harmonic Convergency will happen in Season 4 and the Avatar has to be ready to fight for the world" was there from the BEGINING, then it probably would have been better

I mean, imagine Korra being desperate to return to form after Season 3 because the world NEEDS her to be ready for the showdown with Vaatu and she's crippled... just like Raava was weak and crippled when SHE need to fight Vaatu last time. Imagine the reason the Earth Empire comes into exisistance isn't just MUH ORPHAN PAST, but because everyone is going to be fucked if they don't unite to fight the ancient evil, and the avatar is a cripple so whos gonna fight it, if not us?

We then get a giant robot and a giant spiritual creature shooting lasers at eachother, and Unalaq loses not because JINORA EX MACHINA, but because humanity pulled together to help the avatar recover anyway they could, which leads to Avatar Korra basically bending the FUCK YOU cannon spirit beam to save Hitler and blast the dark avatar out of the human world into the spirit world, where they get imprisoned in the tree again
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>>77924008
Korra was so fucking awful.
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>Do people unironically like this trash?

Wait, how can someone "ironically" like this show?
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>>77926880
I never figured out how anyone can like anything "ironically".
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>>77924746
Korra 3 > ATLA 3 > ATLA 2 > Korra 1 > Korra 4 > ATLA 1 > Korra 2 for me.
ATLA 1 was boring and too slow, but Korra 2 was the biggest pile of shit and even slower. You may ask why i think Korra 3>everything? Simply those guys.
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>Within the first seconds I could tell something was off. And that's not an exaggeration.
Suuuuure
>The only thing I can guess is that it's either people who never watched the original show, or didn't understand why it was good.
Or maybe, just maybe, people can like things you don't.
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>>77926954
Why the hell does the waterbending girl have arms? She was born without.

Anyway, those guys are great, probably the best villains in either shows - but they can't single-handedly lift the season to such heights.
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>>77926982
people can like whatever the fuck they want, but it's objective fact that LoK is shit compared to ATLA
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I thought it was a good series(excluding season 2) and I enjoyed it more than the original.The original did a few things better but I disliked how Aang was bailed out against the Firelord and how Katara became a jerk in the third season.
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>>77927021
It's objective that LoK is vastly inferior to ATLA, but whether it's "shit" or not is subjective. People tend to have different interpretations on the stronger words, and when to use them.

Personally I don't think it was quite that much worse.
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>>77926987
because apparently bending doesn't even require movement anymore
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>>77927067
nah it's pretty shit too. Writing was garbage, characters were garbage, lore was raped, dialogue written by a 5 year old.

The only thing the show did well was the animation (except for S2 lol)
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>>77927068
Hey, even king Bumi could bend with just his face.
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>>77927093
I guess
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>>77927068
did you ever hear of the concept of phantom limbs?
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>>77924008
>The only thing I can guess is that it's either people who never watched the original show, or didn't understand why it was good.

Which is exactly your problem. You wanted more of The Last Airbender and you never gave it a real chance and judged it for it's own merits. Legend of Korra has issues, but it's never been as bad as /co/ says.
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>within the first seconds

Aaaand to the trash it goes. Hide.
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>>77926987
>Why the hell does the waterbending girl have arms? She was born without.
fan art
>Anyway, those guys are great, probably the best villains in either shows - but they can't single-handedly lift the season to such heights.
they did it for me
>>77927030
this. I hated Katara from the beginning. The most annoying thing ever.
>>77927105
this
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>>77927105
and how they are 100% mental? yeah sure
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>>77926954
how did she lose her arms?

why didnt water girl and lava boy fug?
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>>77927123
>they did it for me

Fair enough. Personally I still find the best season of Korra - excluding the Wan episodes, of course - but it wasn't anywhere near as good as TLA.
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>>77924943
Oh grow up.
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>>77924008
>Mako has one fireball, neatly contained
>Bolin has one large rock with a cute pebble tail
>Korra covered the entire town in snow and acts smug as fuck
Worst Avatar.
Can't control her power and inconsiderate as fuck.
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>>77926954
I thought the first book of Korra was the worst, but still okay. The new setting threw me for a curve, and pro-bending is the most boring shit ever, but whatever.
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>>77927220
i liked pro bending except for the parts were it was a 3v1 and the 1 person beat the 3 people
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>>77927220
For me Korra is little better than ATLA. But both shows are really good. Both have really boring stuff. The characters for example. In ATLA i was so annoyed by Zuko in the first season but he was my fav in the second. Iroh and Toph did it for me. Aang was meh, Sokka was funny and Katara was the worst thing ever. Azula was good, but Ozai was mediocre.
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>>77926409
>Season 2 is 7/10
the season literally makes NO sense. Jesus, anon..
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>>77926954
why people forget how bad S03 was at the beginning? the ONLY good thing people can point out from S03 is the villain, and even them are just "muh chaos".
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>>77927326
It was kinda shitty before the Wan episodes, but it made a strong comeback.
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>>77927309
>For me Korra is little better than ATLA
"i don't care about logic in storytelling".
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>>77927364
Yeah, but then it plummeted right back to hell with the deus ex machina climax.
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>>77927364
>but it made a strong comeback.
>Korra decides to go to the spirit world for no fucking reason
>Korra decides to open the portal because she is retarded
>Tenzin is able to save Jinora after 5 minutes in a fog where people normally get lost forever
>Korra turns giant for no fucking reason
>"hey, let the portals open"
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I like Korra, I like failing in spite of wanting to do good instead of destined to win scenario that Last Airbender had going for it.

>>77927408
None of that is without reason, she gives her reason and its stated how each one of those actions comes about.
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>>77927408
>"hey, let the portals open"

But that part was great. More spirits in the world, more fantasy, more awesome.
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>>77927386
Is it really Deus Ex Machina if it was just assistance? It's not like Jinora showed up, suplexed Vaatunalaq, and then everything was okay.
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>>77927480
It's not about how much she does, but where the whole thing comes from and how much it makes sense and how well it's presented. And Jinora suddenly becoming some spirit goddess is some of the absolute worst in these regards.
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>>77927431
>None of that is without reason, she gives her reason and its stated how each one of those actions comes about

let me put it this way:
1. she goes to the spirit world to "close the first portal". But she knows it's not necessary to do that before harmonic convergence at that point. She can just wait for harmonic convergence to be over with. This way there is no risk and Unalaq's plans fail. She only had to do nothing, and she manages to fuck up.

2. Korra opens the portals (condemns the entire planet) to see if Unalaq will let Jinora go. That's just retarded. I do not expect the "hero" to let the little girl die, but it's just stupid to act like this is not her fault, or that "saving" Jinora (she didn't even save her) has the same value than saving the entire planet.

3. tenzin is able to save jinora in 5 minutes because they didn't have more airing time to lose with this shit. Basically, they found whatever shit explanation they could.

4. it is never explained. Bryke Accepted this already and said it's 'open for interpretation', meaning there is no fucking explanation. Korra was a normal human being at the time, so there is no way that entering a tree would turn her into a giant, considering tenzin, mako and bolin were in the same tree.

5. She opened the portals because she is completely retarded. Spirits are dangerous and a threat to mankind. There is nothing good about spirits. If you actually watch ATLA and read the comics, you should know that. Spirits are responsible for a good part of the evil plots. Hell, Korra knew there was a fucking WAR between humans and spirits.
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>>77927547
You care way too much my friend.
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>>77927455
and more people dying because of spirits fucking shit up, like they always do.
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>>77927557
it's just... attention to detail.
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>>77927547
You are reading into things are are never stated or contradict things that are.
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>>77927609
for example?
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>>77927587
And earlier, Fire Nation attacked, like they always did. Clearly Avatar Roku was right about how all four nations should be separate. Aang really fucked up with the whole United Republic thing.
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>>77926871

The Jedi Academy was completly different from a bunch of nobodies using an advanced technique.
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>>77927681
1. You're talking about rational human beings and spirits that fuck shit up because "someone on the other side of the planet stepped on a leaf"

2. spirits were originally separated from humans

3. there is nothing to lose by separating spirits from humans and very little to care considering they seems to not mind staying on the spirit world, and they're not even living beings in the first place.

4. there is nothing to gain by living with spirits and a lot to lose as some of them can destroy entire villages for no good reason.

logical conclusion: do not open the portals

Aang fucked up in RC for a different reason: He stole territory from other nations to do it.
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>>77927746
>1. You're talking about rational human beings and spirits that fuck shit up because "someone on the other side of the planet stepped on a leaf"

You are correct, Fire Lord Ozai struck real rational to me.

>2. spirits were originally separated from humans

Wrong. Spirits and humans lived in the same world before Wan came along.

>3. there is nothing to lose by separating spirits from humans and very little to care considering they seems to not mind staying on the spirit world, and they're not even living beings in the first place.

Nor would there be anything to lose to just keeping the Fire Nation on its island. Sure, they rather would have minded that, but given how they tried to break free, I don't see anyone else having a problem with that solution.

>4. there is nothing to gain by living with spirits and a lot to lose as some of them can destroy entire villages for no good reason.

What's there to gain living with filthy genocidal warmongering firebenders, then?
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>>77927951
Not him but Aang never listened to Ozai. RC doesn't exist as a deal between Fire nation and Earth kingdom because of their leader, but because of the people living in the region. They had lived there for up to 100 years and couldn't just leave because of that so Aang solved that problem.

That is completely different to Korra reintroducing spirits to the world and saying "deal with it". It doesn't help humans and it doesn't help spirits.

And you're wrong about the Wan thing. Originally they lived seperate until Vaatu broke the barrier and invaded the material world resulting in Wans world.
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>>77926871
Bumi is pretty close to jar jar status
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>>77927705
I think what made it look so stupid was the fact it was a bunch of kids swinging around lightsabers
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LoK was so goddamned retarded in so many ways

Like metalbending, they basically retconned how it worked originally since you can now bend liquid metal, but a retcon like that would mean they could bend platinum as well, but they still cant because they never could because metalbending doesnt fucking work if there isnt any earth to bend inside

And thats just one of the many glaring issues this show has
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>>77927951
>You are correct, Fire Lord Ozai struck real rational to me
one person on the planet does not represent all the people in the planet. Anyway, humans can be evil and that's fine. The problem is when you are unexplainably evil like most spirits are.

>Spirits and humans lived in the same world before Wan came along.
Vaatu states that they broke into the human world. That's how the portals were created, from Vaatu and Raava. That's how the spirits started to invade the human world and the reason the humans had to live on the turtles. They were originally separated.

>Nor would there be anything to lose to just keeping the Fire Nation on its island
it's not a question of choice, like with the spirits, so this discussion is irrelevant. There are no portals that can simply close the FN with no repercussion. But just so you know most nations today do keep strict laws about nations tresspassing in their territory.

>What's there to gain living with filthy genocidal warmongering firebenders, then?
technology, resources, commerce.
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>>77927362
yeah they were well designed but the season was still pretty medicore. The bolin lavabending ass pull was kind of lame too
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Book 3 > Book 2 > Book 4 > Book 1

Book 3 was shit but had pretty much the best villains of either series, which is enough to make it the best season of Korra (not that this is saying a whole lot). Book 2 was shit but had two episodes of awesome worldbuilding and backstory, so it had that going for it. Books 1 and 4 were just generally shit with very little to redeem them.
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>>77928250
Book 3>Book 4>Book 1>Book 2
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>>77927431
>>77927547
fucking rekt
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>>77928250
Book 3>Book 4>Book 1>Book 2
villains rating: Red Lotus> Kuvira > Azula > Amon > Ozai > Una/Vaatu
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>>77928323
>Azula
>Villain

She didnu nuffin
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>>77928273
>>77928323
I'm sorry, but if you don't think Wan and both his episodes aren't good enough to elevate the entire rest of the Book (as much of an awful trainwreck as the rest of it is) over the just kind of mediocre and poor Books 4 and 1, then, well, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and I entirely respect that even if I disagree with it.
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I think the Wan episodes are only remembered fondly because they're surrounded by such crap.
They're good, but still overrated, and still have the same problem the rest of Book 2 does with throwing out the whole "balance" thing for more generic lord of the rings "no fuck that one side that's all evil" BS.
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>>77928438

No, the Wan episodes are pretty much 10/10 and the following episodes were great as well.
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>>77928379
I respect your opinion too anon. I must agree that Wan was pretty good thing in tho whole universe, but there was too many boring stuff like Korra's uncle and cousins, the spirits and Jinora. The second season is 3/10 without Wan, but if you add him its 6,5/10. I jizzed when he screamed and became the Avatar
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>>77928438
Eh, they weren't perfect maybe, but to be honest I'm still very fond of them even years afterwards, watching through them without any of the other bullshit they're surrounded with.

I mean, I love all the ancient eastern aesthetics and art style and spirits, and Wan himself has awesome design, especially once he grows into his role. And even more importantly, they do something the entire rest of Legend of Korra completely failed to do: they enriched the world and the lore surrounding it. They may not have been perfect, and it's possible that ATLA had some episodes better than them, but they were great all the same.
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>>77927480
>Is it really Deus Ex Machina if it was just assistance?
When even the creators themselves, the guys that wrote the scene, say "I don't know exactly what this character did but it sure was something", then yeah, that's an asspull.

If you can't even explain that shit then you fucked up.
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>>77927480
>It's not like Jinora showed up, suplexed Vaatunalaq, and then everything was okay.
it's not only about Jinora. Korra gets powers from nothing as well. She wasn't even the avatar at the time and manages to do the same thing Vaatu did.
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>>77928464
>10/10 gotyay fivestars.
At least explain the reasoning why instead of just going "NO IT'S GREATEST"

Like >>77928490
I agree on the aesthetic point wholeheartedly and it was really refreshing after more and more city shit with Korra, and I do respect their attempt at greater wolrdbuilding, but I think removing the philosophical and spiritual bases from said design elements was a bad idea. That kind production sense makes for something that's pretty, but ultimately kind of shallow at best, and in worst cases, you get a show like Kappa Mikey where they go "Anime is all energy blasts and panty shots right? let's just do that! sweatdrop!"
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>>77928604
>At least explain the reasoning why instead of just going "NO IT'S GREATEST"

Beautiful animation, great story, likable characters and generally awesome.
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>>77924073
>shitposting offense
>muh """deep""" """""""""""discussions""""""""""

kys (know your stuff) lad
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If you are watching any either avatar for anything other than the fights you are doing it wrong.
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>>77924269
>hate it for the shipping or lesbians

Really? Season 2 really didn't have either of those things yet it's seen as the worse season even by fans.
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>>77928726
I usually skip fight scenes. They make me cringe. And kissing scenes too.
Yeah I am THIS autistic.
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>>77924008
please stop pretending you saw this coming. you did not. you either liked it with the rest of us, or hated it for irrational reasons
because the show became shit a few seconds before it ended, and not a moment before.
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>>77924429
I've watched the original show like 4-5 times through. I mentioned that right at the beginning of my post.
>>77924488
Yea, that's probably true. I never felt like rewatching Korra so I might be misremembering the good bits. I did find the ending of season 4 really stupid and not just because Korassami, but the mech, the whole buildup and Kuvira was a strange villain.

Season 3 was the most decent season. Dont remember the beginning at all though.
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>>77926954
Hmm...I dunno

ATLA S2 > ATLA S3 > Korra S3 > ATLA S1 > Korra S1 > Korra S4 > Korra S 2

I only rank Season 1 of AtLA above Korra cause Season 1 of korra had a really dumb ending. Otherwise it was pretty cool.
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>>77928649
>great story
Wan fucks up the world

>likable characters
the guy who fucks up the world and that's it.
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>>77929480
That's pretty harsh. There was also that one monkey spirit. He was fun.

Also Wan did save the world, too. No less than three times, at that: he fixed up his own mistake (something Korra never did), and put the spirits back to where they belonged instead of letting them keep on messing around with humans, and then also becoming the guardian of peace, even if that last one probably ended up taking several lifetimes and didn't always stick.
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>>77929480

Each generation does some good and fucks shit up for the next gen and it'll continue like that for the rest of eternity.

I think the lesson in Avatar is that nobody really wins or fixes everything, you just do a little better each time.
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I liked ATLA more because it was more consistent but I liked Korra despite it being inconsistent. On paper I would've thought I'd like it more, I mean.
- Feisty, hot, brown teenage girl instead of a wimpy, bald treehugging kid
- Unique setting a mix of dieselpunk and asian culture instead of the typical medival asian mix
- Villain with more reasonable motivations, cool design and cool voice instead of a generic bad guy who literally wanted to destroy the world (best plan).
To be honest I still don't know how they screwed this up.
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>>77924008
>Within the first seconds I could tell something was off. And that's not an exaggeration.
you got pissed off when she joked about being buy-curious, didn't you
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>>77929585
> guardian of peace, even if that last one probably ended up taking several lifetimes and didn't always stick
Poor Wan, the man died on a battlefield as an old, weary man. That had to be a horrible feeling
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>To be honest I still don't know how they screwed this up.
They didn't have the writing talent they had with ATLA. And Bryke can't write for shit.
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Only problem I have with these threads is no one posts enough pics of korra while yelling at each other
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>>77929672
I doubt he did, because that never happened.
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>>77929840
But she is not a Beifong anon.
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>>77929840
Why is this fucking 2d cartoon so attractive? I don't even like this kind of shit.
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>>77929927
She's a fit, curvy brown qt with blue eyes. It checks out.
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>>77927681
Aang made the best of a bad situation. Fire and Earth were intermixed, splitting them up meant dividing families and/or uprooting millions. The Fire Nation wasn't going to let their people be destroyed, and the Earthers were more than willing to join Hitler, I mean Kuvira and her crusade.

Life sucks, if Roku didn't want it he should have done something about it.
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>>77929927
Because she's physically perfect.

Tanned, healthy, toned but soft. Korra's got a banging body.
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>>77930813
Opal is better wife material. Korra is a bitch.
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>>77931038
korra is still physically hotter
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>>77931038
Yes, but we're not going to marry either one of them, so Korra is what gives us better pictures.
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>>77925164
That would imply that SEED was any good in the first place.
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>>77931038
I don't think that was ever in question.

Though I like Korra's outgoing personality slightly better
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>>77931038
Opal turned out to also be a bitch tho.
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>>77924008
It's not bad but it had so much potential it failed to live up to. The story became laughable after season 2, but the visuals are nice.
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>>77929811
Aaron Ehasz?
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>>77927547
>1. she goes to the spirit world to "close the first portal". But she knows it's not necessary to do that before harmonic convergence at that point. She can just wait for harmonic convergence to be over with. This way there is no risk and Unalaq's plans fail. She only had to do nothing, and she manages to fuck up.

She didn't know that. Her uncle implied that North portal was open and that he needed her for the South. She couldn't just take his word for it.

>2. Korra opens the portals (condemns the entire planet) to see if Unalaq will let Jinora go. That's just retarded. I do not expect the "hero" to let the little girl die, but it's just stupid to act like this is not her fault, or that "saving" Jinora (she didn't even save her) has the same value than saving the entire planet.

She didn't condemn the entire planet. She was right to do it. The world was out of balance; just because people don't like it means she has to kowtow to their wishes.

>3. tenzin is able to save jinora in 5 minutes because they didn't have more airing time to lose with this shit. Basically, they found whatever shit explanation they could.

Tenzin saved Jinora because he dealt with his issues and the fog had no power over him. He's an airbender, meditation and self-introspection is what they do.

>4. it is never explained. Bryke Accepted this already and said it's 'open for interpretation', meaning there is no fucking explanation. Korra was a normal human being at the time, so there is no way that entering a tree would turn her into a giant, considering tenzin, mako and bolin were in the same tree.

She chi-bent. Beyond that, the Avatar isn't just a normal human; they're something beyond the rest of humanity.

>5. Spirts, this post is too long for me to respond

There's nothing wrong with most of the spirits. Mankind are dicks and they kept fucking with the spirits' shit. It's repeatedly stated that you can't have light without dark, good and evil. The world must have balance.
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>>77924008
The first season was great, but after that it went meh. Fights are cool though
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The thing about Korra is that the plot was out of whack.

Book 1 and 4 should've been merged, with Aman working with Kuvira. Then Book 3, and finally Book 2 with Jinora dying and helping push Korra into her fuckhueg state.

Oh, and delete any and all traces of shipping because that was just a huge drag on the show.
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>>77924008
I liked the original and korra
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>>77931543
Not him but you're so wrong it hurts.

Her uncle implied that North portal was open and that he needed her for the South.
He actually told her the north portal wasn't open. But that he could open it himself. Given that he needed her to open the other portal she should have been able to figure out he was lying.

>She didn't condemn the entire planet. She was right to do it.
If not condemn what would you call it? And it was obviously the wrong choice for a multitude of reasons, like bringning the world out of balance again, spirits being dangerous to humans, no benefits etc.
The world might have looked out of balance in the start of season 2, but that was because of Unalaq and Vaatu and they were dealt with.

>She chi-bent.
Thats not what Bryke or anyone else said. Actually Mike says that he interprets it as her achieving enlightenment and projecting her inner spirit outwards that way. Which given it is Korra we're talking about doesn't make much sense.
She also wasn't the Avatar at that time.

>The world must have balance.
Then why not leave the spirits in their own realm like back when the world was at balance and the worlds were seperate? Why risk mankinds survival for essentially no reason?
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>>77928565
She was spiritbending. They never explicitly said that ONLY the Avatar could do so. Plus it was harmonic convergence, she was in the tree of time etc. There were a lot of factors that led to Giant Korra.
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>>77931917
>Then why not leave the spirits in their own realm like back when the world was at balance and the worlds were seperate? Why risk mankinds survival for essentially no reason?

Because the world wasn't at balance. The Avatar exists to serve the world, not just people.
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>>77931917
>If not condemn what would you call it?

I dunno. The world seemed to be doing fine even several years after the fact. Humans and spirits mostly hanging out without any big wars or shit.
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>>77931964
How was it out of balance? The dark spirits were a product of Vaatu and Unalaq, not the humans and the world being out of balance.
And when the world was balanced Spirits had their own seperate realm until Vaatu invaded the other realm forcibly.

>>77931993
What about RC that was ruined and forced to rebuild around the spirits because they have to please them or get fucked over?
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>>77932020
BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE SEPARATE

Why is this so hard for people to grasp. The status quo wasn't right.
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>>77931993
>>77932020
Just to add to the last part. Last time spirits lived in the human world humans were forced to live in secluded towns protected by the lion turtles. We have no reason to not assume the same would happen again since some of the spirits attacks humans and the rest don't care about humans enough to help them.
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>>77932044
Except they were meant to be seperate. As i said they were always originally seperate until Vaatu fucked up the worlds balance by breaking the barrier and invading the material world.
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>>77931625
Actually, the more I think about it the more I like it.

Aman wants to rid the city of benders because they could oppose the Earth Kingdom. If you absolutely have to have the mecha, just use the banyan grove-tree since the swamp was full of spirits.

Korra finds out the airbenders aren't all destroyed, but they're down to a handful; Zaheer implants the idea that the spirits are a part of the world and that these nations shouldn't be separate - the book ends with her shaken up and the revelation that there was a fifth member of the Red Lotus.

Book 3 is Korra trying to establish why the spirits are angry. Destroying the banyan grove-tree threw everything out of whack (like making new Airbenders), so Unalaq comes to her with his theory about opening the spirit portals only to betray her in the end. Jinora dies trying to rescue Korra in the spirit world, helping her achieve enlightenment and sacrificing herself in the process. Restoring the spirits to the world allows mankind to live with nature in a new age, blah blah blah.
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>>77931917
you're a human supremacist, your opinion is invalid
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>>77932188
But i like how spirits were portrayed in ATLA. Back then they seemed necessary and a usefull part of the world.

I very much think that was changed in LoK, mostly with the Wan episodes but also because of the spirit stuff that came afterwards.
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>>77929585
You don't save the world if you caused it in the first place. The shit with spirits i think it's relative. Or better, it feels forced; he is the avatar. So what? The spirits will do whathever the fuck he wants because of that? Why do they go to the spirit world? It lacks explanation.
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>>77924008
Lack of an overarching goal but with the same serious tone of the original series. Anybody who says its better from a narrative standpoint are objectivity wrong.
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>>77931543
1. The events happened right after Wan episodes. She knows how the portals work and the 10k years thing from them. Not only that her uncle explains to her about convergence and how he wants to open both portals before it.

2. I'm talking about liberating Vaatu.

3. It wasnt meditation that helped him, it was Aang, some weird deus ex

4. You're using headcanon, and at that point korra wasnt the avatar. She didnt have Raava, the only thing we know of that makes the avatar.

5. Spirits fuck with humans all the time without humanity doing anything. I sugest you rewatch ATLA and read the comics. Perhaps even rewatch LoK as in That show we also see plenty of spirit assholes. Some example for you: hei bai, the douchebag from the rift, Koh, the Wolf from mother of faces, the spider spirit from LoK, the vines from LoK, the mist spirit, the owl, possible the spirit from smoke and shadows. As i said, there is plenty.
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>>77925673
But why are we focusing on a tiny love triangle in a world filled with adventure and magic, its just a waste of a setting. You don't set up a steam punk world with elemental beings just to make romance one of the main focal points.

The first tip you'll learn when writing a story about a character is you generally want to focus on the most interesting point in that persons life and don't really want to stray from that unless your an amazing writer. The shitty little relationships I had when I was a teen were definitely not the most interesting part of my life and sure as shit wouldn't be for the messiah.
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>>77926871
saved

still beter than tla though
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>>77925673
the problem is that they don't have a particular reason to hang out together.

Why would Asami go together with people that backstabbed her? why would Mako even care for Korra or Asami after S02? as people said, the team avatar should be tenzin and lin, and because they have strict orders to protect the avatar against the red lotus from the get go.
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>>77929840
go fuck yourself
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>>77932611
I literally just watched both series. The spirits get pissy when humanity fucks with them and Tenzin told Korra to bend her energy.

>Do as the Ancients once did: connect to the cosmic energy of the universe. Don't bend the elements, but the energy within yourself.
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>>77929840
Just for you, a classic.
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>>77934124
Mako's a fucking tool. That pussy game is intense
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My first hint that something was off was actually in one of the first teasers, when the metalbending cops descended from the blimp and the animation had no weight to it so it just seemed like they were floating to earth rather than retracting stilts like they actually were. It seemed a petty complaint at the time. Little did I know that such slipshod bullshit would become the new norm.

Then in the second episode there was that weird nonsensical bullshit where the guys were handing out flyers to attend a meeting, but there was some kind of scavenger hunt to figure out where the meeting was... what the fuck was that? Is this Blue's Clues? That said, I didn't fully realize that the show was totally fucked up until after the raid on the stadium.
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>>77934180
He's so bad at romance he made two women lesbian.
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>>77924369
>because of Bryke's inability to make compelling characters and always uses daddy issues for nearly everything
How did you manage to enjoy the first series?
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>>77935661
Not the same poster but Bryke had way less influence on the story of ATLA, enough so that their shittyness didn't bleed into it. It was also fresh, and fresh ideas just have more inspiration and passion.
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>>77926238
>bolin learning lavabending without reason/beating a master lavabender at his own game
That's wrong. He kept up, but Ghazan didn't lose until Mako jumped in to help.

Katara was worse.
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>>77928118
They never retconned the origin of metalbending you autist.
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>>77924746
I liked ATLA 2 over ATLA 3 and Korra 4 over Korra 1 but I understand that tastes are subjective and respect your opinion.
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>>77925896
Also weren't Mako and Asami only together for a month and a week each respective time? Who even gives a fuck if it didn't work out?
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>>77935823
>enough so that their shittyness didn't bleed into it
I wouldn't go that far. I think a ton of shit gets overlooked in ATLA, but people don't extend the same courtesy of shutting their brain off when watching Korra.
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>>77929927
Clearly you do.
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>>77934180
His dick game so bad he got everything he puts it in turning dyke.
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>>77936150
Nostalgia too.

ATLA is pretty great, but the Fire Lord is a one-dimensional villain and their eventual fight was kind of overwhelming.
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>>77936150
I would agree with you to an extent but a lot of a good story's turn your brain off without you even noticing it. Writers use tricks, narrative sleight of hand you might even call it, to guide the viewers mind to the conclusions the writer wants them to be at. In film this is considered a part of "Movie Magic" and can completely ruin a story if done wrong or not used at all. Now of course when you watch something a second time, with all the knowledge of what happens, you might spot the discrepancies just as if you saw a magic trick for the second time you might notice when the magician put the card under the glass of water, and you feel stupid for not seeing it before, but that doesn't really mean your brain was off, it just didn't know what to expect and look for.

Korra didn't really use a lot of misdirection and intrigue, and when they did it was either blatantly obvious, or it was completely out of the blue and made no sense.
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>>77936399
Shit, underwhelming.
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>>77924008
Search blog posts and news regarding Korra. Shit's hilarious:

>Pre Lesbian ending:
This show is shit. So many problems!.

>Post Lesbian ending:
OMG! BEST SHOW EVER! 10/10! PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!
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>>77939049
Because the only two kinds of people were haters and fan girls. Once Korrasami hit, people who never watched the show started to praise it.
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>>77924008
I watched it, i actually enjoyed season 1 and 3. But for the most part it wasn't good.
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>>77924008
OP is desperate to fit in, anons.
Show him some love; he clearly isn't getting any anywhere else.
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>>77926157
>>77925965
>wan episodes are good
I really wish people would stop spouting this nonsense.

It boiled down to a shitty good vs evil plot line and ultimately retconned how people learned bending. But I guess everyone will just ignore that because the art style was a refreshing change from Korra's dingy terrible art that plagued much of the last half of season 1 and season 2.
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http://fencingwithink.com/2014/12/30/10-reasons-the-legend-of-korra-sucked-more-than-i-want-to-admit/
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>>77925164
I would say she's Jerid
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>>77924008
Korra puts more emphasis on struggle, and dealing with loss and with shit life throws at you in a more realistic way. (most) People hate that shit.

Korra would be good it it wasn't a sequel, loaded with expectations and hype that no show can ever live up to.

Sad part is Korra gets so much bad rap because it's for a different audience than TLAB. People who sound't be interested in the show force themselves to watch it.

In the end it's a marketing fail of an above average show.
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>>77924132
I enjoyed both,
But i enjoyed the original more.
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>>77924355
This guy gets it. Partially.
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>>77924411
Because everything to explore in the first series was explored. The story was told and came to a satisfying conclusion. If you clip some shit onto it you're making the entire series worse.
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>>77932639
>The shitty little relationships I had when I was a teen were definitely not the most interesting part of my life and sure as shit wouldn't be for the messiah.
Mine were. But only because I never did anything that caused me to go outside.
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>>77929617
That earth bender avatar prior to roku actually won and fixed stuff.
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>>77924799
But Korra is a show about fucking up, and getting back up.
You can't get back up 5 times without falling down 4 times.

It was a show about being not strong enough. And how to deal with that.

I understand that you want the main hero to be a kryptonice-immune superman. But if you don't look at Korra as a sequel you'll see it's not a shitty show. Just average or above average show.
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Which is your favorite element /co/ ?
mine is earthbending.
earth>air>fire>water
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>>77932220
But as seen in ATLA, the spirits can still be necessary and useful, so Korra did the right thing.
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>>77942779
I can't decide because the show portrays all elements as basically equally cool and powerful and awesome.

Today my favorite is water. Tomorrow it'll probably be air.
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Just finished the 13th episode of this, it's been alright so far. Like it hasn't been blowing my mind or anything but the setting has been gorgeous and some of the times when they go a bit crazier with the facial expressions its been neat. I liked the villains more than the heroes but Korra's grown on me a bit. The writing seems to be like really obvious sometimes and it tends to kind of shy away from the bigger and more compelling plots like the equalist movement and power struggling within the council. Pro-bending was hype though and Tahno is the best character.
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>>77942779
Airbenders seem the best culturally although firebending would be cool as fuck and I'd never need matches or be cold again.
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>>77925164
Korra needed a mentor like Bright Noa if anything.
Somebody who never takes anybody's hit.
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>>77926409
season 2 was absolute shit and is in no way close to anything over 5/10
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>>77924065
same
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>>77927309
LOK was deeply flawed whereas ATLA was a fucking masterpiece not completely perfect but definitely the GOAT of cartoons
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>>77924364
The porn is better than the show desu
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>>77943024
It would have been glorious if something like this had happened to Korra.
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>>77943093
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>>77925673
Even if the love triangle was realistic it's still shit.
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>>77924008
This just in: Some people like things that other do not.

Film at 11.
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>>77924008
I'll concede that it had some good moments but overall it was a mediocre show at best that wasted so much of its potential and at worst was pure garbage.
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>>77943122
It's true that people can talk about opinions and subjective taste and how some people can like stuff that others cannot, but that doesn't mean everything is innately equal with nothing but our own tastes separating them.

Citizen Kane is pretty much objectively a better movie than Plan 9 From Outer Space. By the same token, The Last Airbender is objectively a better series than Legend of Korra. You can like Plan 9 more than Citizen Kane, and LoK more than ATLA, but that's really either just your tastes being funky or you liking stuff ironically.
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>>77940781
How would you have handled the origin of the Avatar? Not asking all ironically, like, "Yeah, let's see YOU do better!" - I'm genuinely curious.

I still think Wan was a great first Avatar, though. Great character, great design, he actually had an arc during which he learned and developed and went from a scoundrel to a hero...
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>>77926954
ming hua looks like such a cutie in that pic
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>>77940781
>It boiled down to a shitty good vs evil plot line

But that's exactly what ATLA boiled down to! And it didn't even matter - it was the characters and the world and all that shit that did it, and that still entirely applies in the Wan episodes.
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>>77942710
The problem is effectively that Korra never learns. She fucks up and fucks up until it's time to wrap plot up and she wins
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>>77943093
>>77943098
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>>77943152

Citizen Kane is shit to be honest.
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>>77924071
Perfect response.
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>>77925164
>>77943024
>>77943093
>>77943098

Tenzin should have been like Bright, that would have been awesome.
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Avatar Wan
>Wow, spirits and humans can not get on. I must split them up till we can get along which also means solving nearly all problems with humans living together

Avatar Korra
>Lets put humans and spirits together despite how easily they are set off and how humans have loads of wars, I think that's what I learnt somehow
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>>77932044
Cause they were meant to be separate until a big black sperm broke the barrier? We get told that straight out

why is it so hard to grasp that as I bet this isn't the first time someone has told you so in a thread
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>>77932995
>the problem is that they don't have a particular reason to hang out together.
This

It was so fucking weird in book 3 where Asami is like hey lets be friends! WHY? You have literally no reason to and then you just start giving Korra free blimps. You have a company to run you stupid lesbian. Same with Mako and Bolin, book 2 had them basically fall out with Korra. Even if they are still friends they have no reason to tag along and both have jobs. It's not even like they are friends who fight but get along as the team's banter is next to non-existent

>the team avatar should be tenzin
The team should have been old Sokka and then people Korra picks up to better train her. Feed into the idea she has raw talent but her lack of discipline means she needs help in truly mastering it
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>>77943219
Not him but

>Vaatu and Raava not evil but different sides of a coin (passive and active
>Instead of them having big dumb battle they talk and travel acting in their own way
>Wan joins them and comes to create a philosophy which is a mixture
>Through this he masters energy bending cause enlightenment type shit (or maybe turtles unlock something in him as they see what he has become)
>He teaches this to people all around teach others and being a diplomatic force
>Eventually places gain their own style that is following the animals around them. they eventually lose energy for an element as it becomes more focused
You could stick the thing about them going into him
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>>77924330
>The Last Airbender was one of the best cartoons of all time
No one took this bait, so here's a reply.
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>>77944206
assuming he means western cartoons that not a very bold claim to make
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>>77944240
Anime isn't doing that much better, you weeaboo.
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>>77944337
there's a few
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>>77944483
There's the occasional western cartoon, too. Bringing in anime to the discussion or not, saying The Last Airbender was "one of the best" is quite reasonable.
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I liked the concept of the character, of course we all know what happened there.
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>>77926840
the fook is this and why's it here?
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>>77944101
How were they "meant" to be separated? Just because something's always been that way doesn't mean it's how it's meant to be. The four nations have always been meant to be separate - Avatar Roku made a big deal out of it - but Aang united them all the same and it seemed to work out fine for him in the end. Uniting the mortal and spirit worlds likewise turned out mostly well.

If you did everything by how it was "meant" to be, how things have always been, we'd all still be stuck in the stone age. It is a completely meaningless complaint. What matters is the end result.
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>>77944747
>that it was meant to be
That is how is was originally (aka meant to be)
We are told that Vaatu ( spirit of chaos and darkness) broke the barrier laughing about how he did it evilly. When the spirit of chaos and darkness does something it usually not good.
When we see spirits and humans together it is nearly always going wrong
In fact Wan separated them again because it caused such bad things

>that it was not meant to be
korra said so cause it seems like a good idea (despite it leading to RC getting destroyed)

Also no Aang did not unite them, each are still separate and there is one place where they can join. Plus you can't just extrapolate like that.
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>>77944831
>(despite it leading to RC getting destroyed)

Dark Avatar did that not the spirits, spirits on all really don't care and just chill in the vines.

if you aren't going to pay attention then don't bother
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>>77944831
>(despite it leading to RC getting destroyed)

More like, mildly inconvenienced by vines for a while, followed by gaining a new tourist attraction.

>Also no Aang did not unite them, each are still separate and there is one place where they can join.

There's a whole world council thing going on now, whereas in the past the four were entirely separate and by the looks of things only the Avatar ever visited them. I'd say he came as close to uniting them as he could without going Kyoshi on their asses and physically uniting the nations into a goddamn pangaea.
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>>77944858
>Dark Avatar did that
No that shit is very much over by the time the vines start up, and we see them grow and when they ask that frog spirit about he tells them fuck off he doesn't care

>>77944867
>mildly inconvenienced
Yeah that is what you'd call destroying homes, business and roads

>council
So again, the nations are still very much separate. They just have a place to talk now. That is very much different from introducing a whole new species everywhere that have shown to not get along with humans in many instances. And no before you try that is all dark spirit we see spirits turn into monsters just cause of human action and just attack and mess up humans in their normal states.


You both missed out 90% of my points so I guess we agree on them
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>>77944925
>Yeah that is what you'd call destroying homes, business and roads

It's a huge fucking city. A few homes and businesses wrecked is a great deal closer to "mildly inconvenienced" than "getting fucking destroyed".
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>>77944949
>A few
That whole episode we see vines all over the city, the president even says they keep growing and that this is a series problem for the city and chucks Korra out because it is her fault the spirits are now here

The show treats it as a very serious issue effecting the city. You've got nothing
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>>77945074
Yeah, and in the meantime, the whole United Republic thing went awesomely for Aang right from the beginning and there was no conflict whatsoever. No assassins going after Zuko or pro-Ozai rebels starting shit even now in the comics.

Shit always goes badly at the start. Fast forward three years and RC is doing great with the vines again.
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>>77942841
No because we don't see spirits be all that usefull in ATLA either. Back in ATLA (before LoK) it was assumed that spirits where just like spirits were viewed in the real world. It was assumed that they were a part of the world and served different purposes. Hei Bai was a forest spirit that protects and takes care of the forest, but we don't actually see him do this.

But with LoK they become an alien species that invaded our world. We somehow managed to expel them from our world but now we just have to accept that they are allowed to live on our world for no reason whatsoever. Actually it's even worse because humans have to give in to the spirits demands when they make them, like with RC. The spirits aren't going to move so humans have to reconstruct their city around that problem.
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>>77943249
The difference between them is that in ATLA Balance = good and imbalance = bad. Aang is only fighting the firenation because they're messing with the balance of the world by creating rifts between people through war. They're trying to destroy the other pillars that hold the world up and obviously this would create an imbalance in the world.

In LoK Raava = good and Vaatu = bad. It's no longer about maintaining balance, it's about realising Raavas vision of the world. Had it been about finding balance they couldn't just defeat Vaatu and have it be over, but they do. Then ofcourse theres the fact that Vaatu has no redeeming qualities at all which also messes with the Yin/Yang Dynamic they're supposed to represent.
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>>77945147
>they become an alien species that invaded our world.
This is a real issue. A new species has huge effect on everything around it

And spirits will attack just because you messed up some trees. What if a normal animal does something like that or attacks another one? Does that get them into a rage like so much easily can? That isn't just the dark spirit influence they do that anyway
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>>77943219
I just wouldn't. That shit didn't need an explanation, I was perfectly happy suspending my disbelief with the whole avatar cycle.
I thought season 2 as a whole was decent until the Wan episodes. From the Wan episodes onward the season is horse shit.
I can't comprehend how anyone finds Wan's episodes good. Ignoring the fact that Wan's story is just a rehashing of the hero's journey as old as fucking Gilgamesh, Wan himself is a shit character. He only developed as the plot needed him to, and considering the many time jumps, we never see him actually develop (say, unlike Zuko). The world the writers created wasn't spectacular either. Why couldn't people just be born with bending? It was the impression the show had given before. This then creates another problem. If the lion turtles were what gave people bending, how are people born with it later on? The show gives no explanation.
And having the avatar store their unused elements inside the blue spirit fucker also creates more plot holes. If a person can only use one element at a time, and the avatar can just switch between them, why have we seen avatars use more than one element at once, numerous points throughout the series? Again, the show never explains this.
Imo, season 2 wouldn't have been such a failure if the Wan episodes had just been cut. All they did was detract from the series, and added nothing of value.
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>>77944867
They had to reconstruct their entire city to accomodate the spirits who didn't budge an inch to help out the humans when they needed it. It's a great deal more than "midly inconvenienced".

And Aang never joined the nations together. RC is just the remaining colonists and locals to the area the firenation colonized for about a 100 years. They couldn't just leave because they had lived there and mixed for 100 years before Aang showed up. So instead he convinced the leaders to give up the land and formed a new (5th) nation instead.

This doesn't seem at all comparable to what Korra did with the spirits. Essentially she just tossed a new species onto all the nations and said "deal with it" without anyone needing or gaining anything from it. Not only that, from what we see in RC and the Wan episodes, we have every reason to suspect this will end poorly. Now it hasn't turned to complete shit yet, but in LoK we see some of the issues allready. The vines were spreading, they kidnapped people, humans used them for weapons, RC gets detroyed again. And in the Wan episodes we see how the world is owned by spirits and humans are forced to live in small settlements because the species aren't compatible.
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>>77945566
I don't think anyone's made that sort of a claim in this thread.
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>>77945566
That image is silly but I kind of like it. Tough women doesn't mean they have to be unfeminine yet that is all people look for. They don't want a proper character they want someone they can spam on a blog

and on that point tomboys don't have to be gay. Leave some tomboys for the rest of us god dam it
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ITT: mad kids who couldn't handle the bantz
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>>77934047
>The spirits get pissy when humanity fucks with them
the wolf from mother of faces literally attacks them for no reason. Hei bai attacks a village because someone else burn his forest, meaning he attacked innocent people. Koh is an evil cunt, the samurai from the rift attacked humanity because they didn't like his waifu (i'm not even kidding), the vines destroyed half of RC and attacked people in RC because someone on the other side of the planet attacked her, the spider from LoK attacks for no reason, the mist spirit fucks with humans for no reason. You didn't watch shit if you didn't get that.

>Tenzin told Korra to bend her energy.
you mean a guy that doesn't know anything about harmonic convergence told a normal human being to bend energy. That doesn't explain anything of how she did it. As you say, tenzin could have done it himself. Bolin could. Mako could... actually, anyone inside the tree could at any time.
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>>77945684
People think that a strong female character is basically exactly like a man, and don't understand how this fucks up the gender politics even worse.
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Amon was based desu
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>>77935972
>tastes are subjective
weird way of saying some people have shit taste.
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>>77939335
>haters
that's what we call people that aknowledge flaws now?
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>>77942710
> about fucking up, and getting back up.
except she doesn't get back up at all. She fucks up again.
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>>77945876
It explained to be an older form that predated elemental bending. Listen and you'll learn a lot.
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>>77924678
Give her more self control.

Also a new, midriff exposing outfit.
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glanced at the ending of ATLA on TV the other day

they showed how the antagonist females became friends in the end, I then thought how they all would've been lesbians if they made the show today lmao
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>>77944949
>A few homes and businesses wrecked is a great deal closer to "mildly inconvenienced" than "getting fucking destroyed"
are we ignoring people die?
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>>77946008
>9/11 destroyed the entire New York
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>>77946008
Never stated they did therefore they didn't. Dial back that autism.
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>>77945943
we know about energybending. We know the avatar can do it. Korra is NOT the avatar at the time.
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>>77945971
The series was so shit at supplying my muscle fetish. Korra was horribly inconsistent in muscle tone, we barely got to see her work out and I can't even remember getting to see her thighs

Only good thing about korra is the lewds
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>>77945943
It's a style that humans have never had before Aang. And it's arguable wether Korra ever had it too since she only ever used it while in the Avatar State when it still had Aang in it.

>>77946035
The vines were spread throughout most of the city, and they were expanding. So a much larger area than the twin towers.
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>>77946055
Its stated humans can and its an ability older than the Avatar, again pay attention to what is said.
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>>77946052
>Never stated they did therefore they didn't
"it's never stated that people died during the 100 years war in ATLA, therefore they didn't"

if you cause so much destruction in a city, people will die.
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>>77946086
>Its stated humans can
where?

and again, why didn't everyone did it? the way you're talking ANY human can turn giant at any time for no reason.
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>>77946086
But they never showed this in LoK, they just glossed it over and did something completely different.

>>77946107
>where?

In ATLA finale.
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so why did they not explain how blood bending could take away your bending
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>>77946089
Stated plenty of times that people died during the war by quite a few, Including a whole pile of Air Benders to happen the point home that they'd all been wiped out.
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>>77946089
>"it's never stated that people died during the 100 years war
actually it is. In fact people who have died is brought up pretty often, hell part of Sokka and Katara's motivation is there mom was killed during a firenation raid
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>>77946061
Bryke said she's supposed to be pretty buff even though the animators didn't define her well.
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>>77946125
Probably because they couldn't figure it out themselves.

>"How does this shit work again?"
>"Fuck if I know, let's just make it a MYSTERY."
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>>77946163
amon should've been an energy bender
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>>77946117
>In ATLA finale.
last episode? or when the lion turtles appear? because they only say that they used to bend energy. I don't even think they specified humans, or non-benders. Again, that's stupid considering Anyone could turn into a giant.
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>>77924008
>Within the first seconds
>And that's not an exaggeration.
OP you're a fucking idiot.
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>>77946210
It was brought up in a sort of a flashback thing, right when Aang was about to bend Ozai's firebending away.
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>>77946210
humans didn't even elemental bend right? It had to be given to them by the turtles when they traveled outside
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>>77946129
>Stated plenty of times that people died during the war by quite a few
the only person directly stated to die is Katara's mom (saying directly "killed"). They use other terms for all other people. So you can't claim that. Basically it was a peaceful war where very few, if not only one person, died. Point is, during ATLA people are dying. That's a claim we can make simply by the fact there is a war going on. If two giant beings fight in a city, and vines appear destroying entire buildings, people will die. That's a safe claim.
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>>77946163
And sometimes that is for the better (The Force), unless one is dealing with a bunch of obsessive dumbasses
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>>77946145
>yfw korra is canonically pic related
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>>77946253
The Lionturtles says "we" which as it turns out due to Wan episodes refers to Lionturtles since Humans don't have any type of bending unless the Lionturtles gives it to them.
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>>77946133
mean to reply to you with >>77946270

>>77946129
i'm more considering 'during ATLA', that's why i didn't talk about the air benders. Anyway, even considering it, doesn't change the fact that you could claim "only airbenders +katara's mom died during that war". During ATLA's times no one died in the show by that logic.
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>>77946307
Yeah, but it was just dealt with pretty badly in LoK. Nobody ever ASKED to be told how the Force works, but I bet a lot of us were looking forward to just how Amon did his shit, and all we ever got was "He's a bloodbender" and a cheap-ass "I don't know how it works".

(And of course they explained the Force away too, even though we didn't ask. It's like none of these assholes know anything about how to write a story.)
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>>77946353
and since humans only gained the ability to bend without turtles after the avatar, we can now say humans never had the ability to energy bend. Due to energy bending being older than elemental bending.
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>>77946339
>yfw she could live next door and still would never fuck you
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Why do so many people hate Korra Book 2 so much? I understand they fucked up the finale big time, but I actually found it more bearable to watch than Korra Book 1.

Korra 3>Korra 4>Korra 2>Korra 1
Debate me please.
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>>77948471
Personally i think Korra felt completely out of character for the first half of season 2, that is up until her amnesia. The Wan epsiodes change and explain things from the original show in a very poor way. And the ending with giant blue Korra and spirit god Jinora was awful aswell.

Which leaves a few episodes in between the Wan episodes and the finale parts, that i find ok to good.
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>>77924008
I don't think it's trash, but it's not amazing. It's... okay?
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>>77924008
Why do they all have dreamworks face? Can't we just smile sometimes?
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>>77928726
>not enjoying Bolin antics
>not enjoying Varrick yelling about stuff
>not enjoying Prince Wu and everything about him
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>>77948471
Unalaq is an boring villain compared to Amon or Zaheer.
Cliche "I'll become the evil version of the hero" plot.
Failed to make the spirits actually interesting despite how important to the story they are.
Brought back Iroh but not Koh.
That entire ending with Jinora and Korra.
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>>77932424
Except it's not, ATLA was about a nation of madmen who wanted to conquer the world just because, Zhao, Azula and Ozai were lunatics. Conversely, Korra's foes were charismatic and had goals beyond their own egos, a guy who genuinely believed benders were a threat to the world and an anarchist who was demonstrably merciful to his enemies. Only Unalaq and Kuvira were straight up supervillains.
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>>77951199
Evil =\= lunatic. They wanted power, that's normal for a villain. Azula wanted to impress her father.

Korra's villains were motivated by daddy issues. Stop reading too much into that. Amon was mad at his dad. Unalaq wanted power. Zaheer wanted "muh chaos" (he wanted chaos, not anarchism), and Kuvira is daddy issues.
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>>77951416
>Zaheer wanted "muh chaos" (he wanted chaos, not anarchism)
he wanted freedom
Ozai was shit almost as Unalaq.
Azula was pretty good character even with daddy issues and she was indeed a literal lunatic
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>>77951497
>he wanted freedom
destroying the order of a place won't bring freedom. He wanted chaos (as he says himself). If he wanted freedom he would support a rebbellion, a group, or some shit. Simply killing the leader is stupid.

>Ozai was shit almost as Unalaq.
except he was smarter. Unalaq is literally "let's attack the homeland of the avatar for no reason" while Ozai is, at least until the end, a good strategist.
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>>77951416
Amon was mad at his dad, but I felt like he really was frightened of the power at his own disposal and he genuinely wanted to eradicate it in others. The biggest testament to that is that until he fights Mako and Korra, he doesn't bend (except to suck it out of others and even then nobody realizes that's because he's a bender).

And yeah, Zaheer's an anarchist, he specifically wants to tear down The White Lotus' NWO and assassinate politicians, he'd effectively destroy governments.
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>>77951836
..that's not what anarchism is about..
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>>77951836
>>77951942
I'm not into politics, but isn't anarchism a place where there are no rules and leaders?
Red Lotus are awesome tho.
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>>77951942
an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/
noun
noun: anarchy

a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil
"conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy"
antonyms: government, order
absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal
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>>77952171

There's a difference between Anarchy and Anarchism but I'm not going to try to defend it because it's emotionally exhausting and I just popped because I saw the buzzwords and realized I got tricked into posting in an Avatar thread.
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>>77952417
Anarchy is the result of anarchism, anarchism is the political stance of wanting anarchy. Neither of them necessarily equal chaos.
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>>77924008
I could forgive the bad characters, but never the lazy writing.
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>>77924008
Korra
Eureka 7: AO
PotC 4
DmC

What other sequels were incredibly disappointing compared to their original material?
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>>77954459
Too many to count.
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>>77954459
I really love the Korra and E7AO comparison.

Both incredibly disappointing due to their writing. Best thing about both ended up being the brown girl for fappin'

Shame AO bombed so hard it didn't even get any art...original E7 had thousands and thousands of pics, AO barely got any. That's objective proof of your failure as a writer IMO.
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>>77952010
>isn't anarchism a place where there are no rules and leaders?
no, not at all. You can actually have a fully functioning society with anarchism. You can't do that without rules and order.
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>>77956629
rules and order =/= rules and leaders
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>>77952489
here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

there is no way to create anarchism without organization. Killing a leader and expecting society to suddenly doing something good is retarded, not anarchism; or at least "you're expecting society to do anarchism for you", which doesn't mean you are an anarchist yourself.
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>>77956712
which means you can do that even without leaders. Not that anarchism necessarily means you have no leader, just that his 'power' is extremely relative, perhaps unexistent. As i said, killing leaders and expecting things to turn out allright is retarded. Not even zaheer could explain his "plan" (if we can even call that retardation a plan).
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>>77956721
It's not retarded. Just fallacious and short-sighted wishful thinking.
Start with presumption that there's "natural order" that is different from current state and you gonna get yourself thinking you can break it and return it to natural state.
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>>77956721
>>77956775
Well yeah, that part would have been absolutely retarded if he'd been wanting true anarchy, but I think he was more about chaos and shit.
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Jesus, the show has been over for a year (it has been a year, right?) and people are still making daily Korra hate threads? What the fuck.
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>>77956819
>Start with presumption that there's "natural order"
that's retarded in the first place

>you can break it and return it to natural state
it's also retarded to think if you kill a leader you will automatically go back to that "natural order".

>>77956830
>but I think he was more about chaos and shit
probably
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>>77956917
Considering that it is a fantasy world, with an avatar meant to maintain a concept of balance making the assumption that there is in fact a natural state that humans can have knowledge of is not that strange.

And i think Zaheer said that the natural state was chaos, so when he killed the Earth Queen he did in fact unleash chaos in the Earth kingdom or as he saw it, returned it to the natural state of things.

I also think he mentioned a sort of anarchistic vision where people band together and fight together etc. which i think he believed would spring from the chaos over time.
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>>77957041
>with an avatar meant to maintain a concept of balance
there is nothing natural about the avatar, he wasn't there from the get go. And balance is just a made up idea people came up with.

>And i think Zaheer said that the natural state was chaos
because he is retarded since there is nothing to prove/come up with that kind of conclusion.
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>>77957428
>And balance is just a made up idea people came up with.
It is how the avatar is justified as an important political figure in that world. The Avatar might not be a natural being, but it is a combination of two beings that are natural to the world according to the show. Balance is an end goal in and of itself, and the avatar is meant to get there and maintain it. Zaheer sees it differently based on the teachings of guru laghima.

> nothing to prove/come up with that kind of conclusion.
All you have to do is look at what happened in the EK or what happens when there are no leaders or rules around. Things tend to become chaotic until someone takes charge and put some kind of order into the chaos.
It's a very old and widespread way of thinking even in real world history.
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>>77957659
>It is how the avatar is justified as an important political figure in that world
basically: people made it up.

>The Avatar might not be a natural being, but it is a combination of two beings that are natural to the world according to the show
a gun is also made of natural stuff.

>the avatar is meant to get there and maintain it
until S02 LoK the avatar was also "the bridge between the two worlds", another shit they made up.

>Things tend to become chaotic until someone takes charge and put some kind of order into the chaos.
many tribes only work based on respect for the elders, not some kind of 'power' that they have. Of course, zaheer didn't have this kind of knowledge, but still a weird assumption, and even more weird that he considered that "in chaos, things would be better".
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>>77924008
the first season of Korra was the best season of Avatar ever. It carried them until the end. the last two seasons were alright
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>>77958783
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>>77958692
>basically: people made it up.
Not if it's a concept lifted from reality, like it seems to be in the avatar world. The Avatar wasn't always there but they just uphold old principles that weren't made up by people.

>a gun is also made of natural stuff.
What's your point?

>"the bridge between the two worlds"
It still kinda is since spirits only seem to want to even talk to the Avatar while ignoring everyone else. and bridge always used to refer to a kind of job of mediating between the two not a physical bridge.

>many tribes only work based on respect for the elders, not some kind of 'power' that they have.
They only have that respect because they earned it. And lets remember that he was never against groups of people, just some kind of governmental or authoritarian person being in charge because they're always corrupt (according to him). So returning to Chaos would in a way be to reset the system and build a better world from the bottom up.
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>>77951199

>Azula
>lunatic

Azula has shown to have compassion in the comics as well as her breakdown in the show. She is far from a lunatic but rather she is a poor lost soul.
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>>77959112
>What's your point?
your original point is that "the avatar is a concept from nature of balance, which means on that world balance/chaos is something natural for humans". When i pointed out that the avatar is not a force of nature, you said that she is made of natural stuff so it's okay. I said that a gun is also made of natural stuff according to your logic, which means guns are natural/a force of nature according to you.

>It still kinda is since spirits only seem to want to even talk to the Avatar while ignoring everyone else
Zuko literally owns a spirit. Jinora can talk to them as well. Job or no job, from a point they simply said "you know what? that's not the avatar's job". The concept is nothing natural. It is made up. Just like "the avatar must bring balance".

>And lets remember that he was never against groups of people, just some kind of governmental or authoritarian person being in charge because they're always corrupt
the original point of the comment is just to show that not having a leader =/= disorder/chaos, which means Zaheer was wrong from the get-go. More precisely, zaheer thinks that those tribes i mentioned are chaos when they're not.

>returning to Chaos would in a way be to reset the system and build a better world from the bottom up
even if that chaos existed, how did he get to the conclusion that going back to chaos (which means: people ripping eachother's heads off), is better than one corrupt leader?
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>>77961129
citation needed
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>>77962056

Show me where she was a lunatic if we are going to be citing one another.
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>>77962056
not him, but it is already accepted in all /co/ that Azula did nothing wrong. She is just a victim of Ozai and Ursa.
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>>77954625
i always thought that the story behind E7 is kind of retarded. I mean, the monsters attack humans for no reason and stop attacking for even less.
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>>77962113
Burden of proof is on the claim maker you faggot
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