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WE WUZ ROBIN

NO, WE WUZ ROBIN
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>>77866669
I hope this sells well. Tynion said he has plans for another batman-tmnt story if it does.
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I have to say, so far this book makes me think the police should shoot every Robin in their smug fucking faces
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But then I generally dislike teenagers and think their suffering is well deserved
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>>77866737
they are REALLY going out of their way to make the cops look like assholes who are on a power trip here.

like to an absurd degree.

also anyone notice how the cop who got shot is black but afterwards every cop participating in various unreasonable bullshit is white?
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>>77866863
All robins do dumb shit like this though
You see Jason at the bar
they need to all be locked up
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>>77866869
Oh good, the Cort of Owls are back. I was missing their omnipotent asses.
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>>77866899
you might as well extend that to every super hero if you're gonna do that. It's capeshit. people dress up in dumb costumes and do dumb shit.
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>>77866869
>the gray son of Gotham

Lord have mercy and save us from the retards who think they're being clever.
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>>77866829
who designed that suit? Electrical resistance should be a thing for those. Never mind damian not frying himself with that line.
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>>77866685
I have no clue what's going on here. Why did the kid start stumbling back in panel 3? Did the cop shoot him in the head?
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>>77866839
Doesn't Dick hate being called Robin? Why is he name dropping this shit?
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This was a terrible time to have this storyline
without Batman there to justify why there's a robin the civilians seem right in light of all the stupid shit Damian and the We are Robin kids are doing
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>>77866667
This was not a good start
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>>77866946
honestly it seems to try and be building on "The Grass Roots Movement" shit we keep seeing pop up on social media every now and again. Pity Occupy got torpedo'd by special interest groups, the TEA Party is a bunch of angry conservatives whose only saving grace is an ability to stay on message (and who ironically enough have become an enormous thorn in the GOP's side due to their candidates refusal to cooperate with the left stymieing various legislative endeavours and making conservatives look bad) and the general retardation of any movement with no accountable leader.

Honest to god who would WANT a few hundred teenagers in costumes trying vigilante justice? It's a great concept for a capeshit book but this is really, really poorly executed. It's a silver age idea with a dark age execution.
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>>77866697
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
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>>77866943
Robin is the name he created to honor his mother. I doubt he hates it.
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>>77866765
>Tim was never Robin he went straight to Red Robin
For fuck's sake DC get your act together and learn to agree on continuity
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Is it just me or are the Court of Owls really going to stick in the Batman mythos? I feel like we haven't had a new villain with the capacity to become a regular like this since Bane.
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>>77866855
Huh it's the song from the Future's End issue of Grayson.
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>>77866684
Hopefully we get Dick in there, too. I'm glad Damian is in this one, though.
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>>77866995
Well Robin is a Golden Age/Silver Age concept that sort of works in the dark age
I mean if the argument is that not everyone can be Robin because of reasons and that kid killing a cop proves it then I'd have to question why Damian is even allowed to be Robin or hell Jason who killed a lot of people is given a free pass

Without Batman to set the record straight you have a lot of talking heads this issue shitting on the concept and making it look dumb as fuck
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>>77866917
But do you know why they call him that?
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>>77867075
pretty much, Jason's a murderous asshole who at least has age, experience, and no compunctions with firearms. Damian's an equally murderous asshole without Dick or Bruce around to make him calm the fuck down.

The writers are trying to turn the talking heads into strawmen to tear down but the strawmen are left sounding more reasonable than the bargain bin robins.
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>>77867075
>why Damian is even allowed to be Robin or hell Jason who killed a lot of people is given a free pass
Nepotism on Bruce's part?
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>>77867218
>. Damian's an equally murderous asshole without Dick or Bruce around to make him calm the fuck down.
To be fair Damien calmed down a lot after his death.
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>>77867238
he did but remember when he started out? Motherfucker needed some time to chill out.
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>>77866833
>Easy to kill robin and easy to forget robin

Toppest of keks
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>>77866757
How many times has Jason been shown in a bar over the last couple of months btw? Is this leading to an alcoholic storyline?
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>>77866833
>The red hoody and inbred robin

This is gold
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>>77866702
What year is it set in?
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>>77866705
Oh shit its the court of owls!
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>>77867283
2015
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Damian was awesome in this. Straight up dissed Jason and Tim, I actually started laughing. Jim and the other Robins got BTFO as well which is great.

King kept the New 52 origin for Tim. Huh. Whatever, Tim isn't even all that important to this story as of now, anyways, so who cares.

Typical King coming through with the Dick hype.
>"Fuck Spyral, Dick don't care!"
>"The First is coming."
>"Splendid, The Gray Son is here!"
>"Also, Nightwing name drop!"
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Is the Batfam inherently shit? Both this and B&R Eternal are mediocre as fuck, despite having good writers on them.

Grayson really needs to stay away from Batfam wankery/Gotham and keep with the spy angle.
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>>77867281
This really was some of the funniest lines I've read from a Batbook in months.
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>>77866721
Black lives matter
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>>77866813
Heh
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We are Robins annoy me.
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>>77866813
>I'm Batman.
>You're gay, Robin.
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>>77866813
b-bendis?
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For fucks sake this is stupid. They are actually putting the nails in the coffin of the concept of Robin.
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They should have left Damian dead
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>>77867781
ok
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we Robin now
we r leejin
we do not forgive
we do not forget
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Remind me how Jason was resurrected in current world?
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>>77866681
>bringing up that trapeze song after Dick was singing it in Futures End Grayson

wew King
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>>77866716
>these GA spoilers

smdh
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>>77866863
I assume they are being mind controlled or something. But it is Gotham after all so taking their incompetence at face value isn't too much I guess.
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>>77867885
my guess would be nanomachines
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>Seeley's dialogue is one of the few things worth reading out of B&R Eternal
>King's dialogue does the same for this
Why can't the editors just leave them in charge of an event instead of having them script their plots?
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>>77866721
I think I lost brain cells thanks to this page.
I probably should check if I'm legally retreaded yet.
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Why is Damian so perfect?
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> try out Batgirl, Gotham Academy, and even We Are Robin

> DC already has them in a shitty crossover with their other shitty comics

For fuck's sake. I bought enough of this shit in the 90s and 00s. The vast majority was shit and I trust DC editorial somehow even less now.
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>>77867977
This would make more sense with Batman as Snake and Robin as Raiden, with the last picture being dick in his booty shorts Robin costume
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>>77868015
Because he was engineered to be, duh.
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>>77866932
The crook kicked him in the stomach causing him to fall back.
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>>77866869
The Grayson issue really should have just been a separate one-shot and not labeled #15.
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>>77868020
They need occasional crossovers to boost sales or the books have to get cancelled sooner. Blame stupid fans who don't buy good books. The Gotham Academy issue shouldn't be too weird though, probably similar to the Endgame tie-in where they don't really get directly involved but they still react to things going on in their city.

>Xenos

Why do I bother?
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>>77868165
It's not like they're crossing over with a megahit like Batman. DC really thinks the steady-but-not-smashing readers of Grayson and Robin:SOB are fine with having their storylines blatantly interrupted because the sales of We Are Robin are quickly sliding into cancellation territory?
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>>77866784
Why does Damian change skin tones between pages?
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>>77868178
This was always designed as crossover between Son of Batman and We Are Robin because they wanted Damian to react to these kids. The Grayson issue is the throw-in.

And yes, comic readers are fine with it. You'll see the sales jump up because people will buy all the books in the line to get the whole story. Comic fans are dumb, but that's why the companies do it. I personally skip out on the issues of things I don't care about and just get the trade if I care that much, it is is what it is.
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>>77868190
He's mixed
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>>77868190
because they forgot he was wearing a hood so the lighting shouldn't be that dramatic of a difference
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>>77868165
What is this? 1993?

How about publishing good ongoing books with good creative teams that can have good readership.

Instead it's a buncha rotating creators on books that try to sustain readership with hits of crossover after crossover. It's like a bad drug habit. They keep needing to up the dosage, but it's not gonna work in the long run. You cannot sustain this industry on a buncha cheap crossovers forever.

We should have left this shitty model of publishing comics back in the 90s.
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>>77866737
OP control your edge
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>>77867885
When Jason was killed, now having always been evil Talia saw the opportunity to turn batmans fallen son into a weapon. Lazarus pit. Turned him even crazier and more reckless than he had been. She had the League train him and had him do magic shit, with like demons and spirits. And then she just gave up on him and he started his own hero for hire type shit.
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>>77868178
Also, I can't fucking stand what they've done with Dick Grayson: Winter Soldier Agent Of SHIELD. What the fuck was wrong with Nightwing? You know, besides the idiots running DC not knowing what the fuck to do with em.
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>>77868313
>What the fuck was wrong with Nightwing?
He was Batman lite and always was, and this was the best characterization of Dick in fucking years
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>>77868313
And this is why I don't bother with you usually. Shit taste tbhfam.
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>>77868313
Nightwing is Batman-lite anon
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>>77866863
>they are REALLY going out of their way to make the cops look like assholes who are on a power trip here.

Its Gotham, literally EVERY cop except Gordon and very few others act like that.
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>>77866869
Okay. What's their endgame here?
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>>77868313
Kill yourself tripfag.
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>>77868365
They're still mad that Grayson escaped becoming a talon after he had been chosen for the role.
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>>77868313
>Dick Grayson: Winter Soldier Agent Of SHIELD
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>>77868178
Crossovers boost sales for everyone. Just be glad that they'll go back to the regularly scheduled story when it's over.
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>>77868385
They should just get over it
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>>77866863
like real life
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>>77868231
Mixed people change skin tones between pages?
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>>77866793
There are gonna die
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>>77868385
A real hoot those guys.
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>>77868442
No, they should get their asses kicked by Dick. The way it should've been if the CoO story remained a DickBats story.
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>>77868442
you don't just get over Dick, he is best boy
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>>77866667
Am I supposed to PRIMALY DETEST the We Are Robin crew?
Cause that's what I'm doing. Entitled, smug little shits.
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>>77868505
Yeah, Pretty much, they are dumb kids that don't know what they are doing and need Help
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Who the fuck cares who is Robin?

What a waste of event, hope this blows because the next thing they are going to sell is another arc with a nobody like Creeper War.
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This is fucking trash. Who wrote this?
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>>77866748
>I'm not your buddy pal.
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>>77868505
Is what they were before King wrote them. Now all of a sudden, they actually respect the REAL Robin and the FIRST Robin. BRE and WAR have only shown them to be little shits that don't respect the legacy, but now that King's in charge, it's fine.

Go into the issue without hating them, you'll feel better. The WAR crew are amateurs, Damian is badass, Jim gets BTFO, Jason and Tim are dissed, and Dick is hyped up. There's literally nothing wrong with that.
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>>77868530
Editorial.
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>>77866721

Well... I don't know if this is stupid because of the writer, or because that police officer is stupid. Because I heard things like that.
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>>77868530
Tom King, surprisingly.
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>>77866743
These Robins have gone TOO FAR
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I thought Damian had superpowers what the fuck happened?
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This was fun and a Interesting read, i kind of want to know if these kids will actually learn something from dick and company now
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>>77868803
Tell me, do you read comics or just say shit on this board like the rest of us ? we lost those powers a long ass time ago
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>>77866765
>reminder that Tim was never Robin

Pls DC pls
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>>77868825
*he
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>>77868313
I just wanted to join everyone ganging up on you and say you have shit taste, Tripfag.
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>>77868811
>actually learn something from dick and company now
Nah, there''ll be a conflict between the old Robins and the new ones, eventually they will manage to impress and or save the old guard and be seen as heroes in the process. (Then We are Robin gets cancelled in a year or so)
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>>77868803
Yeah, and Grayson's a spy? When the fuck did that happen, I thought he was dead??!!
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>>77867977
Fucking saved.
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>>77867977
top kek
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>>77868480
Yeah, tons of people want Dick.
He is truly best
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>>77868336
A friend who works at a comic shop, and has hung out with Seeley a number of times at cons he's worked, has told me he likes it. I said I just didn't care for DC doing that to Dick and he said he understood where I was coming from. It could be a great book. It probably is with Seeley. Yet I just don't like DC's direction.

Also he is gay and I can't blame him for loving dat ass.
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>>77866721
A) Yeah, if you're half my age, I'm going to call you boy. If you were black and female, I'd call you girl. Fucking deal with it.

B) If the little shit had actually not been a little shit, he would've actually been okay.

C) HE ACTUALLY IS A FUCKING ROBIN. IT'S NOT RACISM AND RACIAL PROFILING WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ARE THE THING THEY'RE ACCUSING YOU OF, YOU FUCKHEADS.
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>>77866746
Calvin, you're fucking slacking.
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>>77868445
Here's your reply.
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>>77866737
Tapped out here. Enjoy your event. Can't wait to see chubby people with purple and pink hair tweeting about it on the interwebs.
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>>77869426
>tfw Calvin was never gay with Dick

Why DC
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>>77869408
King's ex-CIA and likely very aware that profiling is profiling but it gets results.
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>>77869287
>Batman
nigga.
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>>77866839
That face.
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>>77866869
You guys ready for Nightwing to come back?
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>>77869637
I'm ready to drop the book when that happens.
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>>77866869
>The Gray Son of Gotham

I THOUGHT WE WERE IGNORING THAT
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Do I need to read anything before this?
I'm currently keeping up with Grayson.
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>>77866869
>Amanda <3 Jimmy
>May
>King + Momo
>Prez
>Conroy
Cuuuute.
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>>77867327
He probably got shit for adding in all those quotes from Pre-Flashpoint that directly contradict Tim's new origin.
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>>77869637
No thank you
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>>77867218
>The writers are trying to turn the talking heads into strawmen
They're not, though
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>>77866869
>Stan graffiti modified to read Satan
Artists calling out Stan the man on all his bullshit satanic powers.
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Jason, Tim, and Duke are all so much better here than in their own books
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>>77866869
I can't wait for these asshole to get killed off, hopefully by Dr. Hurt.
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>>77866765
When was the last time Tim did some actual detective stuff? Like in deducting and such, not just having a million cameras placed fucking everywhere like the creep he is.
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>>77866716
>spoiling gotham academy a week before it comes out
thanks tom king.....
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>>77866833
man not that pat gleason is a terrible writer, but this is the damian i know and love.
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>>77866833

>red hoody
>inbred robin

He truly is the best
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>>77866869
>soon the nightwing will rise again
we already know from solicits that Grayson isn't ending after Robin War so...
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>>77868020
>waaah crossovers are bad

maybe it's time you stop reading capeshit.
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>>77871072
Did you really need confirmation that the bad guys would lose?
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H-hey maybe Talon will come back?
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>>77868811
The Grayson preview seems to suggest they'll be receptive to Dick's advice. But you can already see some of them quitting after Damian shows them how unqualified they are.

Probably the end result is that they are less actual vigilantes and more of a neighborhood watch.
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>>77869740
no, it's self-contained
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>>77870666
Tim's moved to the era of NSA data mining, and dropped that ancient lame ass Sherlock Holmes deduction shit, family
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>>77871102
it's still kind of dumb to tease it when we know it won't happen just from solicits.
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Man, Son of Batman was just starting to really take off.
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>>77871378
I don't think you can call villains stating their plan a tease though. It's not like there's anything to suggest that they'll win. How they fail is the suspenseful part, not whether or not they will.
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>>77866863
>to make the cops look like assholes who are on a power trip here.
WASP here. Devil incarnate, I know. So their depicting them accurately is what you're saying?
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>>77866793
Man this is gonna be a hilarious beatdown.
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>>77871451
fair enough yeah
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>>77866777
Fuck yeah Damian
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>>77866924
It's fucking embarrassing, really. Was Damian meant to have stuck it somewhere that would be a weak point because he knows his father's work? Doesn't matter, it's drawn as is and just makes everyone involved with the suit look like a douche.
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>>77871668
Well honestly they are. GordonBats was meant to ultimately fail.
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>>77867019
I think you're forgetting about Professor Pyg
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>>77871785
What a terrible fucking idea that was
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>>77871785
I love that he was on BATB
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>>77871763
In what way? Is it the whole Kraven's Last Hunt deal where the story is obviously meant to end in showing that only Batman can be Batman, or is Jim part of a long term KEIKAKU* that is set to end with him failing for some purpose or another?

Or is it like Superior Spider-Man in that it's obviously a temporary thing and no shit Gordon will fail?

*keikaku means intention
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>>77869637
No.
I've really enjoyed learning more about Dick.
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Does anyone actually like Nightwing or find the character remotely interesting?
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>>77872008
The costume with the fingerstripes was really sexy

Christ Kent was more interesting in the role since he had all the god and destiny shit, though I didn't like aging him up
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>>77869637
Noone wants that.
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>>77871916
>is Jim part of a long term KEIKAKU* that is set to end with him failing for some purpose or another?
The implications are that the project belongs to the Owls.
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>>77871916
The Powers industries who made the robo-suit used Gordon to test it, but ultimately they wanted an army of no pilot robo-suits. So it's keikaku*

*Keikaku means plan
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>>77872008
/co/ hardly ever talked about the nightwing comic when it was coming out, Grayson gets multiple threads here every week.
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>>77872008
Nightwing was fine until Devin Grayson made him miserable and Infinite Crisis derailed him.
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>>77868835
King kept that part of shit continuity in so he could have Damian insult Tim in one of the most valid ways possible.
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>>77869287
Nigga... that's Midnighter...
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>>77872008
He can be a good foil to Batman and can have good interactions with the batfamily, but yeah his Nightwing solos were never really that impressive.
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>>77866869
>>77869637
>>77871072
>Nightwing

Well, he may wear the suit at random points in time. DC isn't selling so well these days, we're seeing everything return to status quo. SeeKing may have been asked to make it so that Dick can have adventures as Nightwing and as Agent 37. Part of the compromise might be the Nightwing is used during events and the like to make it look cooler (so Robin War, Titans Hunt, etc.).
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leagues above batman and robin eternal, will be following this for sure where as ive already dumped BnR eternal
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>>77873285
to be fair, it's not hard to be better than BRE
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>>77873254
but Grayson has been selling more issues than new52 Nightwing in general. it was in the top 10 on its debut issue as well
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>>77873254
I don't think the Nightwing costume has much pull. People are going to read an event regardless of what he's wearing in it. And the way Robin War is going it seems more likely that we'd see him in that ugly Robin suit for a little bit for the sake of solidarity rather than a Nightwing one.

The only time it might matter is if you want to pump sales up for a fringe book and you need to make it really obvious to characterfags that they need to buy another book. I also wouldn't look at Titans Hunt as any sort of trend since the whole point is revisiting past, lost memories.
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>>77873621
It's selling below now. The debut issue did great, but it's been bleeding sales. I was thinking his appearances in Batgirl, Titans Hunt, and BRE would raise sales, but it didn't work. Robin War might help, though. Maybe even Starfire could raise sales. I'm thinking a crossover with Suicide Squad and Midnighter, right before the Suicide Squad movie comes out, would help out with sales. A JL crossover would, too.

At a time where Titans and other guest appearances aren't helping Dick's sales, it might be time for a relaunch. Crossovers and appearances in other media can help, but it won't last forever. A book titled "Nightwing," starring Agent 37 but with a Nightwing-inspired look, and referred to as Agent Nightwing instead of 37 or Grayson, would probably be just enough for a small increase.
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Hot, smarmy garbage. I almost wish I hadn't dropped this book when Robin War was announced, just so I could drop it here.
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>>77866711
wow
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>>77873948
His sales have stabilized around 32k-36k, depending on how well the variant does. For a new direction, a title with no brand recognition (like Nightwing), and a 3.99 price tag, that's pretty good. That's not getting into how well it does digitally (usually the top 2-5 that week depending on what else comes out), and we don't even know the extent of the trade sales since the first trade hasn't come out in paperback yet.
He's fine.
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>>77873948
I think he got confused in that it's making more money than Nightwing right now even though the physical copies are down. But it's not really bleeding sales. It has settled into that "only a few hundred drops per issue" range and it jumps up for variants and guest appearances. That's normal ongoing behavior.

Sales on the two trades in January coming out together will be interesting to watch.
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Is anyone doing a storytime of pain with BRE #9?
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>>77874086
>Sales on the two trades in January coming out together will be interesting to watch.
yeah timing the release of vol 1 in paperback and vol 2 in paperback together is good marketing.

a shame there's no hardcover for vol 2 though i have an HC for vol 1 and im one of those pedantic fucks who likes my comics to be in the same format
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>>77874071
Speaking of digitally, there's a Robin War sale on comixology right now.
I hope Grayson takes over the top selling list again, especially since even more of it is on sale than last time
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>Grayson #15 PREVIEW (Robin War #2)
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>2020-5
>'merircans still believe that their police isn't a corrupted and fucked up system
I know that there are some good cops out there but you're delusional.
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>>77874576
This is Gotham too
Owls have their hands up all the officers' butts
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>>77874576
Nice try, Tyqisha. Get a job instead of pumping out kids for bigger welfare checks.
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>>77866757
>that last panel
Is Jason taking a job as an Elvis impersonator?
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>>77874576
But 'Murrica can do better!
I mean, it's 2015!
COME
ON
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>>77866765
How could you fuck up that badly with Tim's faced in the first panel?
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>>77874622
But anon I already have a job
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>>77874697
I'm okay with Tim being the ugly Robin.

More so than Jason even.
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>>77874714
Stuffing drug money underneath your baby stroller isn't a job Tyqisha
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>>77874552
>slitty eyes
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>>77874690
Don't take me wrong almost all the police systems in the world are pretty badbut people know it, it's just in America where they go full m-muh police, m-muh army.
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>>77874697
That's probably the first time Tim has looked truly distinctive and not Dick Grayson 2.0
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>>77874463
>Second row, the one most to the right
>looks like a qt Helena, like her sister or something
I wonder if Janin did that on purpose.
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>>77867283

Okay so it is him
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>>77874603
>making a school of child soldiers who are going to have the whole Quantity > Quality issue
Dick please. I love you, but that's god damn retarded.
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>>77866748
>>77866757

Kinda makes sense that Jason would stick up for the Robins the most. He needed that in his life, and he can't fault lost kids out in the streets for wanting the same. Nice subtle characterization that's completely absent in his own book.
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>>77866711

thats a bit extreme
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Why are they drawing Jason's helmet with a face again? I thought we were past that shit?
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>>77875033
I hope they can give Helena a qt young sister
Children is where she usually isn't a complete bitch or a hardass
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>>77875051
You need to understand that Dick is effectively a Batman now. He's done his time as Bats, and he did a good enough job protecting Gotham.

Robins die. They die for Batman. Having two dead Robins and an ugly one for brothers can be scary, anon. But now Dick can train an army of Robins to do his bidding effectively enough to die after living a valuable life. If Dick didn't return, they all would've died as "Robins" but without actually doing anything worthy of his name. The Robin School is just his cannon fodder.

>>77875063
This. King really knows how to write characters to serve a theme and a story, and not just one or the other, for both.
>>77874697
>Implying that wasn't intentional
>>77874738
I just want more of Damian insulting him. I don't dislike Tim or Jason, I just find Damian to be at his funniest when doing so.
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>>77866743

I'd go back to Smallville too after that incident
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>>77875332
>Tim is supposes to be ugly guys!
Anon please I just want my handsome batfamily to stay handsome. However I agree with you on the whole Damian Banter stuff
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>>77866813

Better reaction than I expected.
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Well, it had some flaws, but King's dialogue really saved this.
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>>77874498
I love Damian3 so much
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>>77866869

that crown
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>>77867835

This is literally the worst attempt at being topical that DC has done since the election special.
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>>77866721
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>>77867333
>Is the Batfam inherently shit?
When they're all together, yes.

Too many characters and too little skills and personality to go around.
Dick and Jason are getting to be indistinguishable from one another, especially since Jason has been written like Dick 2.0 when Dick isn't there. Thank goodness they often show Jason drinking or else we might confuse him with Dick.
And Harper is a pro in tech and electronics when Tim and Barbara still exist so she's just kind of there.
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>>77874498
kek
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>>77867015

It's been that way since Titans issue zero.

It was done because everyone said there wasn't time for all four.
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>>77876034
Bermejo made it work though, its not forced like shit and some issues are great, like the Batgirl one
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>>77874525
While it's nice that he chooses to take the responsability since these kids are too lost to do anything, it's not really his fault.
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>>77866869
>>77876006
That's actually pretty fucking clever, I didn't even notice it.

>He is a direct descendant of the Crowne family.
>Perfect placement of the reference, as the whole point of the "Gray" in his name was that he is meant to be the bridge between the "white" of the Crownes and the "black" of Cobb.
>King of the Robins, as the "First"
>the "Dark Heir" to Batman, having been Batman himself

It's actually such a nice detail, if it was intentional at all, that is.
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>>77876851
He kinda was, though. He is their inspiration. If he didn't go around being Robin, there wouldn't have been so many of them now, and it's not just them. He inspired Jason, Tim, and Damian, too. And then, by proxy, kinda inspired Barbara, now also Maps (kek). I don't count Harper or Steph (New 52) since they were inspired by Batman in one way or another, and not one of the Robins.

Dick supported Batgirl, he was there to train Robins and has trained his own Robin. If he'd never let that happen back then, then this wouldn't have happened now. Dick is a hero, so when he sees people die, he's going to blame himself. That's just how Dick is.
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>>77877187
Is dick the secret glue of the DC universe ?
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>>77877285
There was a time when it wasn't a secret... Remember that? SeeKing have plans for something like that, apparently. I don't know how effective it will actually be, though...
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>>77877343
It looks like its working, Dick is going to create his own spy team and now he is helping this kids, lest not forget the Superman issue
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>>77866799
jim gordon looks like a hillbilly junkie
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>>77877285
That's how Geoff Johns sees him.
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>>77874236
Last week, Grayson outsold Superman and JLA on Comixology.
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>>77873955
Go away, Tzitzimine
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>>77878651
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>>77878667
Barbara's not going to like this
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>>77878683
Harvey Bullock is the best
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>>77878695
>Damian locked up with Duke
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>>77878711
Aw I hope they become friends.
>>
When this crossover finishes, Damian will have its own group of Robins that he will lead.
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>>77866771
>Duke, Dre, Dax,
down't blow a valve coming up with those names, champ
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>>77879006

No Damian will be too busy having adventures with Goliath and Maya.
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>>77866808
that is a godawful batman suit
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>>77878711
how the fuck did they lock damian up?
he broke the shit outta gordon while in armor, he should be able to obliterate him without his armor.
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>>77866833
>easy to forget Robin

Fucking lol
Does King come here?
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>>77879430
>Does King come here?

maybe
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>>77879416
Something happens in Grayson #15 apparently
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Reminder that Tim was never a Robin you guys!
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>>77879470
Nothing short of the robo suit throwin sleeping gas around will sell me that gordon could've taken out damian or jason.
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>>77879456
That was Seeley tho
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>>77866863
the whole thing was a set-up. Both the cop and the crook where placed there by the Court of Owls. I'll bet the gunshots didn't even kill them.

The whole thing is an organized siezure of power. It's like with Nazis and jew/jew sympathisers, or the Klan and blacks, or prohibition or anti-communism.

All you need is an 'enemy' that could be anyone, and you can now arrest anyone you want. You can get rid of any 'undesirables' off the street for the flimsiest pretext, and you will get a promotion for doing so. any law enforcement agent that doesn't go along with it gets arrested themself. Then its off to the forced labor camps, viva la slavery.
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>>77879505
we don't know which one might have seen the post and suggested to include it
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>>77866820
.....has Gordon never met him before?
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>>77879564
He's gotta follow the law no matter who he is
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>>77871916
the whole thing is a ploy so that the court has all the power in gotham. masked vigilantes get manhunted, meanwhile they control batman, and the people have no anti-authoritarian activists able to do anything
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>>77866943
Dick picked the name himself. He loves it, he just doesn't use it because it's known as "Batman's sidekick" now and he wants his own identity.
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>>77879456
based
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>>77866833
oh god. 10/10 if not for the shit art.
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>>77879915
They were in WAR's solicits next month or the one after, I think.
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I know Grayson is after this one, but what are the issues after that?
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>>77880001
Robin War #1
Grayson #15
Detective Comics #47
We Are Robin #7
Robin: Son of Batman #7
Robin War #2
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>>77880105
And the optional Gotham Academy, Teen Titans, And Red Hood/Arsenal tie-ins, but I would only read GA if anything
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>>77866721
That officer is a better detective then Tim who took days to figure out who Batman is and Bane who took years to figure out who Batman is.
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>>77880105
>>77880319
Thanks.
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>>77866721
>and then I noticed his SNEAKERS. For SNEAKING.
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>>77866869
There are people on certain sites that will go unnamed that believe that this is a sign of DC backpedaling and bringing Nightwing back on a permanent basis and not a just crossover gimmick to make the story seem bigger.
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>>77880477
Meanwhile in his own book Dick is making new spy friends after he decides Helena and Tiger aren't his friends
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>>77880560
Apparently solicitations don't count for anything.
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>>77880560
The Grayson side characters are so much better than the Batfam it's crazy.

I'd much rather read about Dick interacting with Tiger/Helena/all the Wildstorm characters instead of the same old boring shit with the Batfamily. Especially since pretty much all of them are awful now.
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I'm excited to see where this event goes. I never thought I'd enjoy We Are Robin, but it's pretty enjoyable and fits Gotham pretty well. I hope the book is strengthened as a result of the event.

>>77869408
>C) HE ACTUALLY IS A FUCKING ROBIN. IT'S NOT RACISM AND RACIAL PROFILING WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ARE THE THING THEY'RE ACCUSING YOU OF, YOU FUCKHEADS.

Eh, I'd disagree. Basing the profile purely on the type of shoes he's wearing is still racism. Broken clock is right twice a day and whatnot.
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>>77880687
And they're so high above the Nightwing supporting characters it's ridiculous. Nobody misses Joey the roommate.
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>>77880821
>Nobody misses Joey the roommate.
I don't even remember who that is
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>>77880852
Either the black guy or the blonde girl.
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>>77868264
uh.... what? All those books you've listed are pretty good and have the same creative team since day one (With the exception of Batgirl) bar the occasional fill in artist.
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>>77880948
Oh yeah, I remember people thinking she was gonna be the villain since he was pretty effeminate looking
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>>77869287
>Spot the non-reader
>>
What's up with books that switch artists up throughout anyway? Is it a deadline thing, I guess? It makes sense when it's a story divided up into different sections, but this just switches artists in the middle of scenes and is pretty jarring.
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>>77869408
>HE ACTUALLY IS A FUCKING ROBIN. IT'S NOT RACISM AND RACIAL PROFILING WHEN YOU ACTUALLY ARE THE THING THEY'RE ACCUSING YOU OF, YOU FUCKHEADS.

He was right due to dumb luck, the red shoes are not enough to suspect he was a robin, he was just the usual asshole police officer.
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>>77878767
I hope Duke and Damian interactions are as fun as I hope they are
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>>77881108
Damian can be tsuntsun for him too
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>>77879564
Gordon has to follow the laws even if he doesn't agree with them. He doesn't want to be replaced by someone else who might have shady morals or something.
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It's kind of amazing how badly a Lobdell reader will get confused by a comic that doesn't constantly use narration boxes
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>>77866836
King, you left out Batman
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>>77881575
He looks like he's going to rape someone.
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>>77881431
People who allow Lobdell to continue making comics are guilty of a crime and should be treated as such.
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>>77881590
He probably got tired of being raped all the time
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>>77881689
Hey, as long as it works as a containment comic I'll tolerate it.
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>>77881723
Some say that he's raped in every issue of Grayson that's published.
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>>77881431
Wow
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>>77866737
This is a really nicely done page. Coloring has been on point too
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>>77880477
They are so thirsty for Batman-lite it's ridiculous.
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>>77874552
this is...pretty based

dick for best team leader
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>>77866737
better Robin than Jason and Tim already
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>>77866757

Tim and Jason hang out? Last I remember was Jason beating Tim up over in Teen Titans.
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>>77866765

Eff you Jason,

Tim was robin for 20 years, you were Robin for barely 5! Dameon's been Robin longer then you!
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>>77881920
Batman-lite with forgettable villains, a disposable supporting cast, inconsistent art, and so changes in direction you'll get whiplash.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
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>>77882251
They're like best friends now

I don't think no one knows what else to do with them except pair them up
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>>77882251
They've been the best of bros since the New 52 started.
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>>77882353
>>77882386
Disgusting.
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>>77882459
If you find that distgusting then you shouldn't go to the Tim Drake/Jason Todd tag on Ao3.
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>>77882669
Probably better chemistry than how Lobdell wrote them, though.
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>>77879222
I do not think so, Goliath return but Maya will not (at least for a while). Damian will have at your service a team of teenagers older than him.
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>>77882669
Fans of that pairing seem to like Tim being a naive, feminine waif who's secretly a massive whore and like Jason being an aggressive macho guy or basically a rapist.
One of the strangest batfamily pairings there is.
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>>77883063
that's just the stereotypical uke/seme formula
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Is JayTim the new TimKon?
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>>77869482
This would be a logical story for Calvin to appear in, so he isn't going to
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>>77883424
Yeah.
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>>77883424
And much like the rest of Tim, that new pairing is much worse than his old one.
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>>77883424
Tim is the sluttiest virgin ever.
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>>77881431
this is the person who advocates Lobdell comics right?
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>>77883679
Yes
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>>77883677
>Tim
>virgin

I have some bad news for you, anon.
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>>77881024
>Is it a deadline thing, I guess?

pretty much
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>>77881772
every page senpai
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>>77883217
That makes a lot of sense
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>>77866833

>inbred Robin

I feel stupid. I don't get it. Is it because he's RR?
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>>77883677
He's not a virgin. Lobdell fucked him really hard
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>>77866743
>Sandals with socks
No sympathy
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>>77867120
no why
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>>77885488
but it's so comfy
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>>77867120

Not that anon, but I don't know. I did read Court of Owls, but apparently this was in something else?
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>>77885561
It was in Nightwing. Decades back, a street urchin who joined Haly's Circus fell in love with the redhead daughter of one of Gotham's wealthiest families. He knocked her up, but her father put an end to the relationship, telling him that Gotham will always consist of the black (the poor) and the white (the rich), and that there will be no in-between. The circus kid becomes a Talon, and later kidnaps the baby, calling it the "Gray Son of Gotham".
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>>77874498
>>77874603

Tim has been reading waaaaaaay too much Spider-Man.
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>>77879456

I am still fulfilling this promise.
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>>77885682

So Dick's circus parents weren't really his parents? Or they're just using him as a substitute for this legend?
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>>77883476
King was asked about Calvin a little while back, and he said that he thinks he's interesting and he would see if there was a story he could fit into. Obviously, he had already started work on Robin War before this question was asked, so unless that one question gets King to care about the character, as of now, he won't ever be relevant unless Snyder, Tynion, or Seeley plan to have him in BRE.

>>77885682
It's actually a really cool concept. Also, it should be mentioned, that the Talon in question, Dick's great-grandfather, was William Cobb. He was thought of as the best up until then, so of course the Court would be after Dick's ass.

He was also the one that was consistently outfighting Bruce at first during the beginning of the Court of Owls arc. Bruce beat him up later, though, which was also how Bruce was able to trace his DNA and realize he's Dick's ancestor.

Also the Gotham family in question is the Crowne family; the redhead was Amelia Crowne.

>And thus, the origin for Dick's grayness and his love for redheads.

Also why the crown here is so awesome. >>77866869
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>>77885354
>Red Robin
>InbRed Robin
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>>77886222
I think it would make more sense with Jason because he's white trash
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>>77885834
You are amazing, anon.

>>77885934
No, no. Dick's father, Giovanni "John" Grayson is still very much his dad. His dad's grandparents were William Cobb, later a Talon, and Amelia Crowne, a member of one of Gotham's major families, though.

John's dad was the first Grayson, or Gray Son of Gotham, and was raised at and by Haly's Circus, just as Cobb was before he was recruited as a Talon.

Haly's Circus actually doubled as their place to recruit new Talons (I mean, trapeze artists, knife throwers, etc., are all pretty good starting points to becoming assassins).

Dick was predetermined to be their newest recruit as he was a Gray Son, but his parents died before he could be recruited; Dick was adopted by Bruce, who the Court knew was Batman, immediately, so they weren't able to grad the kid in time.

Dick's mom, Mary, is literally the same person. No secret bloodlines (as of yet...).
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>>77885354
Yeah, I think it's because he was Red Robin instead of Robin. Damian is calling him the ugly one of the family.

>>77886222
Kek. Or maybe it's that.
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>>77886222
What a little shit
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>>77886336

Ah, thank you for that.
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>>77866721
What is this retarded fucking shit?
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>>77880791

>Robin is a race

You're a fucking moron.
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>>77881431
Would you lurk tumblr just to search for an autistic jasonfag and posted in on /co/?
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>>77887269
>He impressed all his elders

Which ones, the criminal father or the crack whore mother? He certainly didn't impress Batman.
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>>77886336
>Giovanni "John" Grayson
Actually it was John "Giovanni" Grayson in the Grayson secret origins segment, which is also the only place where he's referred as Giovanni. I guess they wanted to exoticize his name or something
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>>77889351
I can see why they wanted to
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>>77889580
But Giovanni isn't a Romani name any more than John is.
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So what if someone gets a big ol R tattoo?
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>>77892894
they get arrested and forced to get the tattoo removed
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>>77891968
Yeah but it's not a whitebread name like John is
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>>77893093
How can I get the tattoo removed if I'm forced to be in jail for a piece of art?
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>>77893253
escorted in shackles by a police officer to however many sessions you need

paid for out of your own pocket, of course
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>>77893281
I see what I must do. Break out of the cuffs Harry Houdini style. Then learn how to tattoo giant Rs. And tattoo the face of every cop, lawyer, judge, and jury in gotham.
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>>77893362
>jury
I'm pretty sure that's a pool of everyone over 18, anon
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>>77867019
You do realize that FLAMINGO has more mainstream exposure than fucking Owlshits.
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>>77893362
nah, you'd get caught to quickly. You gotta send the message hard and fast. Go for the DA, the Mayor, the Police Commissioner, the Chief Justice,
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>>77881590
Can't rape the willing anon
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>>77893173
I always found it funny that Devin Grayson tried so hard to give Romani-sounding names to the other members of Haly's Circus, but was stuck with the whitebread John Grayson for Dick's supposedly "real full-blooded gypsy" father. She tried to get around it by implying that it was actually an anglicized version of Yojo Graesinka, but everybody else ignored it.
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>>77894516
I found if funny how she went to the trouble of making him romani when the vast majority of how she presented it was pretty racist. It was like the late 90s-early 2000s when this was going on but still
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>>77894647
But why would you do research when you could instead use stereotypes?
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>>77866906
You misspelled "incompetent".
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>>77895896
>robin war
>owl masks

wat
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>>77896146
Not that anon, but what are you implying?

>>77866839
Also just noticed King forgot to mention Batman when doing Dick's description. :(
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>>77896146
Do owls eat Robins?
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>>77866697
Mother. Mother. Mother.
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>>77899194
;_;
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>>77878711
Jasonfags on CBR are freaking out over this.

"B-b-b-but how could Jason be captured!? He's a magical ninja assassin! He must be faking it!"
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>>77896764
Probably. Too bad for them, they don't eat Nightwings.
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>>77878711
>gotham
>electing anyone with the last name Noctua anything
seriously you gotta love the place, the people are so fucking persistent
I'm positive that if he made a good enough show, the Joker's Brother could become mayor.
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>>77900835
Characterfags are the worst
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>>77900835
Wow I just went to look and you're right
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Goddamn. I hadn't realized, but Grayson # 15 and DC #47 both come out next week. That makes 4 Dick books next week.

>Robin War Part 2
>Robin War Part 3
>BRE (meh)
>Starfire (yay?)
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>>77905991
>Starfire (yay?)
At least Lupa is drawing both of them before she leaves
And i hope they don't fuck him up like the Batgirl team did.
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>>77905991
Good, because Grayson #16 won't come out until late January.
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>>77906047
>Lupa
>"But it could be like Batgirl"
This is basically the reason for
>yay?

I hope it's good. Still think it would be hilarious if the Jan. issue ended with Dick keking Kori with Atlee.

>>77906204
Also, I missed BM/SM (Can you really blame me? Dick is barely even a presence in that). So,

>RW part 2
>RW part 3
>BRE (meh)
>BM/SM (meh)
>Starfire (yay?)
And then:
>Part 4 is the week after, alongside BRE.
>Part 5 is the 23rd, alongside BRE and Titans Hunt #3 (Yay, Dick and Donna interaction! Finally!).
>Then, Robin War #2 comes out on January 6th, alongside BRE.
>Starfire #8 and BRE #15 on Jan. 13th.
>Then Titans Hunt #4 on Jan. 20th, and again, BRE.
>Finally, Grayson #16 and BRE on the 27th.

We are gonna be getting a lot of Dick leading up to #16.
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>>77900835
So are Timfags and Damianfags
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>>77906748
>Timfags
all two of them?
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>>77906748
Damian fans are freaking out over Robin War in general, as though Duke and co being in a good story will suddenly make him not Robin anymore.
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>>77866667
Can some anon give me a summery for this and "WE are Robin"?
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>>77909840
We Are Robin is a bunch of Gotham kids inspired by the real Robin who decide to be Robins themselves to fight crime in Gotham.

Before one of them killed a cop in this issue, another one was killed in a bomb blast, but nonetheless they have all the righteous fervor of teenagers and are continuing to be untrained vigilantes.
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>>77909840
We are Robin:
>Gotham kids who are orphaned/otherwise disenfranchised are organizing into vigilante squads and calling themselves Robin, funded and directed to a degree by Alfred
and I'm not giving you a summary of Robin War because this is literally the first issue, so you can read it you lazy fuck
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>>77909913
Just realized "We Are Robin" comes out to "WAR"
Huh
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>>77869408
B is objectively wrong.
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>>77906776
You'd be surprised how many are hoping he'll get written well and even get a solo
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>>77866697
>>77866996
What d---

...Oh.
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>>77910374
those people are admirably optimistic
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>>77910879
Yeah Tim is clearly the last Robin DC is worried about right now.
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>>77906977
I mean I'd be worried about his status as Robin too. They're pushing the We Are Robin thing, Snyder's pushing his OC donut steels, Carrie's back, Damian's been sidelined from every event except this one. It's definitely looking like his time as Robin might be over sooner rather than later.
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>>77867019
But Hush came long after Bane.

>>77870805
DC kept delaying the gotham academy books repeatedly.
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>>77911053
They aren't going to get rid of him after spending all that time bringing him back. If DC didn't market Damian they would have left him dead.
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>>77911053
>They're pushing the We Are Robin thing
Hardly. Them being included in this event with ALL the Robins will probably be the last thing of note they get to do. And their sales are shit still while Damian's are 10k+ more.

>Snyder's pushing his OC donut steels
When was the last time Duke or Harper were in Batman and important? Arguably he's pushing Harper more than Duke anyway by including her in the weeklies. And Snyder will leave eventually.

>Carrie's back
In DKIII, an elseworld?

>Damian's been sidelined from every event except this one
Because he was dead for at least half of the last weekly and they decided to not include shove him in somehow because people would scream over continuity. Though people whined anyway so there you go. And they said he's gonna be in BRE eventually.
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>>77911270
Not only did they spend all that time bringing him back, but they let Tomasi have bookends for the arc they brought him back in. So yeah they want him around, especially with those shitty movies of his.
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>>77866705
Aren't the city council...normally in charge anyway.

What exactly did that change in the way of accountability.
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>>77866711
How did they even know to bust in and arrest that random kid whose only crime was having Robin posters in his room?
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>>77912062
the police answer to the mayor and the police commissioner usually, I think

>>77912115
neighbor or a non-Robin friend or an Owl Youth ratted him out or something
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>>77866730
>William DuBois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois

SUBTLE
U
B
T
L
E

He successfully gambled that no cop would ever recognize that name.
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>>77910374
He does have a solo it's called Batman Beyond :^)
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>>77912427
You wipe that smile off your face right now young man.
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