What Pumpkin creative director Jess Haskins was recently interviewed, and said absolutely nothing about the game:
Literally Reddit: The Summary: https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/3uyx31/3_hour_video_game_podcast_with_jess_haskins_of/cxj1eve
Is this game dead in the water?
January wasn't it?
Also happy birthday to Jade.
If that game and the end of the comic don't come out, I'm gonna go slap Hussie's shit until he picks his mopey ass self up and gets that shit done. I don't care if the game isn't that great, or if the comic has been hit or miss in the last act. Get it done so it's not weighing on you for eternity while you try to think of new things to do.
Can't stand the thought of leaving things unfinished.
to be honest, I still have faith in this project, even with the funds practically cut in half. You know why?
That is one fucking clean website. I know it has absolutely nothing to do with the game, and isn't representative of the project in any way, but damn. That is a nice site.
Not exactly hard to make though. There are templates for that sort of site, all you really need to do is plug in your own art assets. They're not exactly short of artists for that.
Post cute Jade and/or Jake pics!
Honestly, I'd have more faith in a fan project being made with RPGMaker or Unity being finished and widely distributed. Hell, even a ROM hack for Earthbound sounds more plausible.
What Hussie are you talking about? He'd post a long, smart ass rambling post that tries to be clever while acting dismissive of his fans' concerns, and buried somewhere in that multi paragraph cloud of smug would be an acknowledgement that we "shouldn't expect the game in the forseeable future". That's the last we'll ever hear of it, and next time we hear from him years later he'll refuse to discuss it again because his fans are "being obsessive".
> this pretty much confirms Toby isn't a regular employee of WhatPumpkin and maybe they're just commissioning the music whenever Toby's available (or maybe he already finished ALL the songs? I wouldn't put it past him)
Huss, we don't want to stab you. Hell, Michelle said shed pause her comic to get married (something we only knew after) and print the books and we waited patiently, but giving vague words while posting memes on twitter isnt helping at all. Saying "homestuck is delaying because I fucked up but flashes will come" is enough for some here.
Well at least I still have my patches and keychain
Hussie really knew how to dangle a carrot
Never mind, just saw the post.
Honestly all of this sounds like making mountains out of molehills over not having any recent news. Considering how obnoxiously pessimistic most of /r/homestuck has been lately I'm taking their panicking with a grain of salt.
>translating for English, French, Italian, German, AND Spanish
>he's also allowing all backers to beta test it
If it is true that they're doing all this, I can understand it taking a while. He should still say what the hold-up is, though.
This game destroyed Homestuck, and ruined Hussie's reputation.
The comic could have ended years ago, and even if it went in the same direction a lot of people are having issues with right now, there's no way there would be as much salt if he banged it all out by 2013.
didnt they reach 2.5 mil with extra $$$ they let ppl pledge on paypal or w/e after the ks was over?
then again TOG apparently took about half a .5 mil. still that probably wouldnt be hard in theory.
I remember when I used to read Homestuck and I hear they were making a game I thought it was pretty neat, then I heard it was going to be a 3D telltale style of game. Was anyone else disappointed by this?
Definitely. Not only is 2D more efficient given the budget, the comic itself already featured a multitude of 2D walkarounds, and other things like that. Why not build off of what you already have experience in, rather than burn money doing something like pointlessly transitioning to 3D?
I knew it wouldn't be a fully fledged sburb but I was really hoping for an adventure in a can in a new sburb session with all the shit about skaianet and that being the main plot
Same. My dream Homestuck game would have been:
- 2D Top-down RPG with turn-based combat.
- Mild character customization that includes a few options for appearance, strife specibus, mythological class, and mythological aspect.
- Class and aspect affect late-game super abilities.
- 3 NPC fellow players chosen at the start of the game from a list of around 5 possible ones, each with a different class, aspect, specibus, and planet. They join your party when you come to their planet to assist with their quests.
- 4 planets with their own quest lines, the first being your own and necessary to complete before going to the other 3.
- Watered-down version of the Sims-style building system in SBURB.
- Watered-down version of alchemy system in SBURB.
>No pics of Ara girl saying "ara ara"
For shame on all of you
To be honest, I haven't really seen much gay shit between the two, other than them getting along better than they did in the GO! timeline, which isn't much of an accomplishment, and the stuff in the Vriskagram, which is a little gay, but you can chalk it up to them becoming BFFs and not really having boundaries.
I imagine Dave being the more bottom guy of the two. Not that I think Davekat is really going to be a thing nor is going to be endgame. Like >>77862860 and >>77863095 I feel their interaction in-comic comes off as more bro-like than anything romantic, and all the ship-teasing around them makes me think it's all going to end up as a big joke.
How bad has it gotten? I gave up on it when the Trickster arc with the CAUCASIAN joke happened and finally stopped bothering to read it when Aranea went nuts and John got that ring or some shit.
>implying davekat won't happen
>implying Hussie isn't a businessman
>implying he won't keep his comic even more eternal by wasting panels of these two kissing each other
>implying we won't see every homestuck discussion being ruined by davekat and anti-davekat assholes
>despite Hussie making GO!Karkat relevant and having him straight with Terezi
>"waaaaah you are just a homophobe" / "waaaah hussie is a hack for wanting the media money, wake up sheeples"
>all of Karkat's ships (Dave, Terezi, Jade) are lame, but understandable, but still kind of lame
I just predicted the future.
Î also forgot:
>butthurt Rosemary shippers complaining that Kanaya went back to Vriska (also a terrible ship, but this is Hussie's story)
>Hussie promoting polygamy bullshit and telling his young audience to try that crap
>Homestuck was never about adventure to begin with, just about ships and having sex with aliens
Oh man I totally forgot about some of these stretch goals
>putting extra merch for backers as a stretch goal
>putting an digital copy of something as a high tier goal when you just need to add a steam key to the box
>waiting for the game to be written in 5 languages when they can't even manage 1
when did Eridan become so damn funny to me? I blame hsg and their maymays
PXS is shit.
"Andrew, give me money so that I can make a comic and be famous too even if I have no talent whatsoever!"
"Okay Rachel, you're a woman that means you're right. Sorry for being a man."
"Good boy. Comic are easy. This stupid fandom will eat everything."
"Sir, I saw people in my university wearing shirts of rock bands."
"What does it have in common to the game, employee? Im only paid to calculate numbers!"
"I noticed they most were of band logos, aways big letters. Our merchandize maybe..."
"Say no more."
I thought nobody bought that.
Honestly, serves them right. People think that labeling things as HOMESTUCK will mean that they will automatically be super successful, regardless of the quality. Preparing huge loads of merchandise even before the "game" was released was their doom.
But they never learn.
GO, as in GO!<CharacterName>?
It's Game Over. It refers to the versions of the characters in the pre-retcon timeline where Game Over happened.
Basically, the characters we've been following during the whole comic.
So the retcon definitely wasn't planned, right? Hussie realized that the plot got away from him and did the retcon to try to fix it? I remember HSG thinking he was a mastermind who planned the whole story from the beginning.
God that Jane is awful. Davesprite is better in it but not by much. His route in the VN is shit too
It definitely wasn't. He wouldn't have spent so much time developing the interactions in the meteor if he was planning on retconning them.
Proof of this is the penis ouija and the cherub's timeline.
Calliope having the penis ouija in her book was a direct consequence of Dave's and Karkat's fight. Retconning the timeline, making them boyfriends and having Rose say "you were drawing penises in a book while laughing like idiots HAHA GET IT? THE CONSISTENCE IS PRESERVED" is a very obvious last minute decision.
There were more examples like this, but I don't remember them because I stopped giving a fuck about Homestuck a long time ago.
More or less.
The thing with the subreddit is that, as opposed to /co/, underage people are allowed. The project is less of a Reddit making its own Homestuck game and more of a group of highschoolers in the subreddit who decided they wanted to make a game out of spite. It started as a joke, but it seems they're taking it seriously.
Obviously, nothing will come out of it because they're young and inexperienced. But we all tried to make a game when we were their age, so I personally feel I'd be hypocritical if I made fun of a group of people who are developing their creativity even if they will inevitably fail.
It's funny how most of HSG moved on to Fat Fuck Universe
I really got to figure out the formula so I can suck money away from histronic nerds on tumblr too
>spend 4 years meticulously making SBURB rules, events, classes, items, economy, bosses, player houses,
>everyone and their mom says they want an SBURB copy
>Hussie makes a shitty game that focuses on story
SBURB is virtually impossible to make, that was known since before the kickstarter. Either waste +5 years developing it (which wouldn't cost only 2 million) or the game looks empty. Overseer is text based and yet feels 10% of what a sburb game could be.
A literal SBURB simulator would be stupid and boring, but playing as a group of kids who are playing their own SBURB session would have been perfect.
Fixed characters, fixed planets, and a fixed plot. It's nowhere impossible to do, dunno why people pretend it is. The plot could be perfectly linear and it would still be dope. It doesn't even have to be a RPG, a point and click game like the one he's doing would have worked too.
>I gave up on it when the Trickster arc with the CAUCASIAN joke happened
Hi Tumblr ;v)
Thing Hussie never tell.
The opposite, actually, he has actually said he understand if you interpret all those character as caucasian, but there is nothing wrong with seeing them as the race you want.
Only Bro ever was stated as such, though. And that' has nothing to do with you comeing to the conclusion of "if you see them as caucasians, you are racists"
And again, there is nothing wrong with fanartist making the characters other races than Caucasian. Since when head canon contradicting canon is an issue to be ass blasted with.
Actually, the Trickster arc was making fun of all the people who wanted Hussie to state that they were OFFICIALLY CAUCASIANS and mock all the pople getting butthurt when fnarat featured the characters with the "wrong race". So, they got an item that made them caucasian, but only to turn out to be the most obnoxious and terrifying transformation.
I don't know why people got bootyblasted at the CAUCASIAN joke, it was Huss's final "fuck you" at the overly PC insane tumblr people who were trying to force something that everyone was fine with being open to interpretation. Huss never gave a shit if people make the kids different races, and they were never really caucasian, just literally white.
It was the only good moment in that horrifying bit aside from the fallout and Dirk not changing.
The trickster act was good.
>Short, fast and refreshing after TEEN DRAMA.
There's nothing to hate. I get that reading it daily was a chore, but that's because Hussie posted it very slowly to make the end happen the 25th of January.
i'm just looking forward to the game for that radiation OST tbqh family, too bad james roach and his shitty stock music is going to be tainting it
hussie's not writing the game at all so i don't really give a shit about it anymore, first it was him and ryan writing it, then paradox space writers were being brought on, then some random guy from twitter was brought on as lead writer??? he seems funny at least but damn
>Haskins worked with Toby "a while ago". If it wasn't already obvious this pretty much confirms Toby isn't a regular employee of WhatPumpkin and maybe they're just commissioning the music whenever Toby's available (or maybe he already finished ALL the songs? I wouldn't put it past him).
oh fuck nevermind i'm killing myself
glad i didn't donate at least
>that sounded exactly like toby's old homestuck work
I always thought he was the best composer in the music team. People seemed to disagree because saying that Tensei was the best was the hipster thing to do, although it seems that now that Undertale is out Toby has retroactively become the best again?
Anyway, Toby's music in Homestuck is great. At least his songs aren't a bloated mess, like EidolonOrpheus' pretentious compositions. This guy needs to learn how to write a melody instead of just throwing random noises in a track.
Tensei is not the best composer, he's just the only one that can actually play the electric guitar and compose metal. Metal fits Homestuck flashes much better than stuff like Pyrocumulus.
I wouldn't say that ANY of the Homestuck music is great.
The best he did was Moonsetter, and that wasn't even him alone.
His other stuff is mostly generic chiptune garbage.
His early stuff in the Alternia albums and all is pretty generic. Medium-Good, I'd say.
But his latter songs are amazing. Moonsetter is great, Love You, Hate You and Darling Dolorosa are great too.
Metal is awful. Amateur metal arranges always sound the same. Just a fast paced melody with a distorted guitar.
The music that fits best Homestuck are pseudo-chiptune songs like Sburban Jungle and Skaian Skirmish. Elaborate things sound out of place, and this is what's happening in the latter albums. Barely any of the "new" songs is fitting for an album, because the compositors aren't even thinking in the comic anymore. They just compose something and label it with Homestuck so that they can get the moneys.
EidolonOrpheus is the worst.
Didn't the homestuck game already come out? The one with the skeletons and lesbian reptiles?
I've heard people saying that EidolonOrpheus was the best because his music was so complex. But it's not complex, it's just incohesive.
His melodies remind me of the music I play when I improvise with the flute, and that's pretty bad. Random notes that sound good together don'tt make for a good melody.
>hiveswap's main writer is an alcoholic that mixes adderall with alcohol
and the entirety of http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/one-year-older
I hated it because the big tumblr race argument was stupid as fuck and never should've bled into the comic, plus the Trickster arc was designed to pander to tumblr fanartists in the first place
I also hated the Beforus trolls for being tumblr stereotypes when they could've been interesting characters. I think Hussie paying attention to the tumblr fandom was a big part of why the comic's quality declined. Whether he's pandering to them or taking shots at them, usually pages related to tumblr shit are bad.
Knowing Hussie? It's never going to happen. I'm glad I didn't back it.
No, I was saying that there could be several separate flashes for each part of the finale, and that the 10-minute WIP would constitute only the first part.
A 10 minute build-up would mean that there's going to be a lot of shit that's going to happen. Besides, Hussie wouldn't have been taking as much time as he did if there's only going to be a 10 minute flash.
No, he only got to work on the comic for three months where he did Game Over and all of A664, the rest of the gigapause was spent on side-projects like Namco High and PXS, TOG shit, and mourning for his dad.
he didn't work on namco high
he only wrote pxs comics, which would take him days total
mourning his dad could eat up a couple months
if he actually did 'TOG shit' he wouldn't have lost so much money
and A664 was being made as it was being released
He was travelling across the country in attempt to contact them.
>and A664 was being made as it was being released
>If it were anything goofier I would probably forget to update, since A664 is all done and just sitting there.
So is this thread still alive? Ok, good.
Can someone tell me what the hell happened to the games budget? I keep hearing that the budget got cut in half or that the odd gentlemen fucked them over or something. I don't know. I tried looking for news about it on the kick starter and the mspa site, and I don't see anything about the budget.
Can anyone clarify this?
the odd gentlemen asked for money to make the game, hussie gave them like half a million and never replied until hussie forced them, then they sent a single really glitchy room with no progression and stopped replying
hussie traveled across the country to meet them in person and they admitted they spent most of the budget in king's quest, the other game they were hired to make
I think they agreed behind closed doors to give hussie his money back, but hussie is using it as an excuse to take a vacation
so what, he split things into subacts just to keep his seven act promise, man he'll do anything to pretend things are all planned out
there was the tumblr post >>77877334 which is generally accepted as what happened though its never been verified by any other kickstarter backer so there's probably some embellishment
>its never been verified by any other kickstarter backer
She had to actually contact Kickstarter for the details, I imagine they wouldn't have given her the info if she wasn't a close friend of Hussie's.
the fact she contact through kickstarter instead of a personal e-mail/phone/whatever is exactly why another high level backer should be able to get the same info
point is the way some of the things in that post are phrased make it sound like things ipgd is assuming and not things specifically told to her
>Obviously, nothing will come out of it because they're young and inexperienced. But we all tried to make a game when we were their age, so I personally feel I'd be hypocritical if I made fun of a group of people who are developing their creativity even if they will inevitably fail.
This is the most insightful comment I've seen in a not-homestuck thread.
Do you think maybe even a tiny bit of the reason for the hiatus for the comic is due not so much to making the game necessarily, but making it so that the two coincide in such a way that is relevant to one another?
What do you guys think of the reply on this post?
I love it and agree with almost all of it
>Jake admitting to the possibility of being Asexual and Aromantic
For fuck's sake Jake was saying that he doesn't deserve to be in a relationship, that's not the same as him saying that he doesn't want to be in a relationship.
Other than that I agree with most of the post.
Post fan music that you think is pretty cool
It has plenty of cocksucking and it exaggerates things that happened to make them sound better than what they are.
Her examples of why is still good is just a summary of this last act, and almost everything she says isn't good or just happened in the least satisfying way.
Dave's feelings towards heternormativity? How does it reasonably have a place in Homestuck? Did she forget that Dave's monologue felt more like a post in Hussie's blog than a real, organic conversation? I could almost see Hussie typing that saying "I'M SORRY FOR MY S_O PHASE, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN". The most emotive flash in AGES? Well, yeah, and late-Act 6 is know for its worrying scarcity of animations. Confirmation that EVERY death makes a Ghost? WOW! As if secondary ghosts meant something! New info about game mechanics? Is she talking about the grist rigs? Because it being made in the most half-assedly possible way, with AR doing it almost as a background activity, was lame as fuck.
>new characters to the Session THIS far in the comic.
Is this supposed to be a good thing? Because it's not.
Roxy creating the Matriorb was also incredibly unsatisfying. Her struggle was literally saying "omg it's too difficult", now talk about things being half-assed.
>emotive little speech
>possibility of being Asexual and Aromantic, but also showing obvious signs of being depressed
>Reading Homestuck has made me grown as a person
Why should we care to the opinion of an underage?
I wanted the plot progression and the conversations to happen at the same time, just like it had happened during the first half of the comic. But it seems that at some point Hussie lost the ability to make them both happen at the same time, so we got entire chapters with barely no text and then chapters full of text and conversations but no action whatsoever.
The problem is that he tried to mantain his le epic troll persona and withheld the reunion for so fucking long that it happened right at the end of the comic, so all the interactions that should have happened in the span of the comic are happening all at once.
I listen to A LOT of homestuck fan music at work to pass the time so I've found quite a few I enjoy.
Uranian Morpheme - http://tindeck.com/listen/vvfp
https://homestuckgaiden.bandcamp.com/track/corpse-casanova (one of my favorite fan tracks)
Democracy - http://tindeck.com/listen/hkrs
Carefree Commune - http://tindeck.com/listen/kcui (Another one I really like)
Aurora Lights - http://tindeck.com/listen/ukdr
This ones kinda cheating but Skeleton Hunting by James Roach is really good.
I have like 10.4 gigs of just homestuck music if anyone wants me to whip up a .rar
>SBURB is virtually impossible to make
Yeah if you have no imagination. Sure there would be limits, but making the basic structure would be tedious but well worth the effort. Probably would be a solo experience of micromanaging your team, but in randomly generated worlds with randomly generated players it could be tons of fun
Is it bad I regret not having enough money at the time to donate to Hussie's kickstarter?
I mean even if Homestuck does end disappointingly I enjoyed most of it enough that I feel like I should pay him something
I never said she wasn't shit, because she is. But Aradia prancing about all happy about being alive and telling other ghosts to accept their unimportant fate is hypocritical as fuck when she spent most of her session in various states of undeath, obeying what paradox space told her to do.
She claims to be alive and loving it, but hangs around with ghosts, in the afterlife, and makes no attempt to accept the responsibilities that the living must bear. It doesn't matter whether she dies again or not since she's effectively dead already, but I want the satisfaction of seeing her being permanently imprisoned in the Furthest Ring as a ghost for her hubris.
As an, as you say, undead she bore more responsibilities than any of the other so important, so responsible "living" did, even Fuckrezi (I'm throwing darts to see which fag you are, people who speak up always are a fag of something, that's an universal law or something), so yes, she's entitled to fuck around as she's, for once, truly alive.
Also, her needless and cruel death is also precious, precious Vriska's death. Fuck y'all.
Namco shut down the site about a year after the game came out. they did their best to wrap up all the comics they had running, but besides bravoman, none of them had any books out.
The Mappy, Bravoman and Wonder Momo cartoons stayed up for a lot longer, but I guess someone finally remembered to shut down the youtube page about 6 months back. Real shame, Mappy was REALLY good.
Terezi's also terrible, faggot. I don't discriminate among bad characters. You're just proving your own Aradiafaggotry that you decry from others so much.
And Aradia never had any more responsibilities than the others, given that she relinquished any control over her own actions to the commands of her future selves, meaning all her loops were demanded by paradox space, not herself. Her role in the session boiled down to "s0mething bad happened. identify and c0rrect", which meant 1000 doomed Aradiabots, so over 12000 A2 ghosts are now dead because she was reactive instead of preventive. Her "needless and cruel death" was demanded so she could listen to voices and prototype the frog head. She didn't have to listen to any of her future selves, but she chose to instead. She's a mechanical puppet, dancing on strings of time.
Correspondingly, all four B1s had just as much responsibility if not more, and yet they still live and must fight to achieve victory. None of the living humans are allowed to get off this ride. Why should Aradia be allowed to joyride when the others don't get to?
>asexual and aromantic while another version of him was married and had several kids as well as a weird incesty relationship with his adopted sister
I suppose I can excuse that at least once if they haven't payed attention to the game.
ISIS truly is scum
Pic related is apparently on the calendar, what the heck rachel.
my bad didnt check the thread for a day, i see you got it tho.
i still have no idea where it actually came from other then it was posted here last thread with a claim it came from the music team.
>this is October
Man the homestuck calendar is some hot garbage. at least theres no new march eridan
December calendar: aka winterteen romance
What could you possibly mean?
Seriously, has there ever been any quality control with the calendar art?
>quality control relating to art
top kek m8
I'd prefer this image for the swimsuit month.
As far as I'm concerned Mindwipe is canon bodies for everyone. Hussie already signed off on Vriska.
>Rose is short and flat
I love this for some reason
Just the idea of her surrounded by all the other girls with them fairly tall with jiggly tits and/or ass as she just quietly tries not to show she's jealous seems funny and hot to me
>Vriska flat as a board
I'm with you on the others and I'mma let you finish but
Although yeah, Vriska being flat as a board and refusing to accept it does fit her character.
I see her as not terribly attractive but able to carry herself well that she still can come off as hot
Though the idea of Vriska actually being having 10/8 body but shitty personality has it's own charm
All of the human girls should have the proper bodies of goddesses, as they are.
>Though the idea of Vriska actually being having 10/8 body but shitty personality has it's own charm
>All of the human girls should have the proper bodies of goddesses, as they are.
>Jade - Amazonian musclegirl with curves in all the right places
>Jane - Full on fat fertility goddess look, she might be called obese if she didn't carry the fat perfectly
>Roxy - Starlet/supermodel look, would make Barbie envious
>Rose - Body of a fifteen year old boy and totally not jealous of the others
What Do You Like The Most
Plot Or Backstory
So, basically this?
>Jade's furry, furry legs
Paid or not I'd get sick of it if all I was endlessly paid to draw was a comic about a chick with a dog dick fucking a little boy all the time
It's like that one guy who nonstop commissions artists for stuff of Astrid Hofferson eating pig shit
It actually seems like she herself is just pushing this stuff
I mean, of all the stuff she's drawn and/or could draw, this is the most popular?
it's not even the third most popular dave ship, let alone a common fetish
futa is one thing, but furry futa on shota is another
Nobody else really commissions her I think, and the people that know about her stuff now see her as the depraved furry chick, so it's all girls with animal dicks.
I thought it was like some porn artist in-joke, but it's ALL the same guy who commissions it. More than half of her page on paheal is pigfucking, all by one, very rich, man.
>Fixed characters, fixed planets, and a fixed plot
all the appeal of homestuck comes from the evolving, easily seeded mythology for each player. The way shit you do early on colors everything after that, which then feeds back into itself as you reinforce your mythology by alchemizing things relevant to it.
Get rid of that and you just have a generic fantasy with a chess theme.
She came to hsg recently asking for ideas for other lewds
I didn't save it but she did an Equius bonded up with one of the girls
Also this, which was an edit of something
From the sounds of it, she wants to be able to practice other stuff, but yeah money's money
>Tavros didn't get stabbed
and also kissed Gamzee
>Feferi didn't get shot
>Karkat and Gamzee stayed palebros
>Eridan didn't get sliced in half
>Nepeta wasn't viciously demolished by a crazed clown
>Sollux didn't abandon everybody to hang with his girl
>Equius is actually relevant and didn't die from getting a boner from his superior
Who let Karkat make another screenplay?
>Jade's asleep in all of them
You don't want the source. Trust me
>forgiving a murderer who killed two of your friends
>said moiralship was so terrible, it didn't even work out
No. If you want another foreshadowing, wait for pale Karkat/Kanaya.
Panel edits are better than making shitty complaint posts saying you're going to QUIT THE COMIC RAAAARGH.
Also let's be honest, Hussie erased 3 years of character development to bring back the /one/ dead main character who had never really left the comic. Vriska was relevant again right after she died, and remained relevant all the way through act 6 - it's like the very concept of dream bubbles was made for this.
Giving her a somewhat satisfying end to her arc, then bringing her back as Act 5 Vriska: It's Like She Never Had Any Character Development edition... this is just a testimonial to Hussie's dedication to taking a meme to its logical extreme, instead of writing an interesting story. We've seen her whole range of Vriska's good and bad and made up our opinions. There's nothing else to say about her now. Even assuming good writing was Hussie's priority over pushing his reader's buttons, there were other, more interesting characters to bring back and develop. (Of course, if Hussie's priority was good writing, he wouldn't have retconned anything back into the story... but that's an entirely different topic.)
Pre-retcon dead Vriska went along with Meenah somewhat, but she wasn't her yes-man.
>didn't even continue with the LE quest
Any kind of quest Vriska initiates usually causes a bunch of awful stuff to happen, and when there's a silver lining, it's often by dumb luck. I'm of the opinion that it's a GOOD thing for Vriska to not involve herself in plot stuff.
>kept the fucking treasure for themselves
Wasn't there something about it being usable once?
Anyway, this shit was maybe not the best, but it was satisfying on virtue of letting Vriska fizzle out of relevance while she thought things over. It was better than everything that happened post-retcon (before Hussie took it into an awful direction, too.)
The Meenah part was dumb, but instead of retconning Vriska back to life he should've just had her complete the LE quest from the dream bubbles and not derailed her character in the first place
No wonder people felt pity for (Vriska) crying, because she is the "lawful good" version lmao.
They don't even realize that she sacrificed millions of ghost versions of her friends and dancestors to bait LE.
More like Meenkat shippers groaned, because Karkuck will forever be chasing Terezi's ass for all eternity.
I haven't been to a /co/ homestuck thread since long before /hsg/ got shitcanned, so I ask: was there any information about just what happened with the whole game thing, since ipgd leaked what she found out?
How exactly did TOG get away with taking Hussie's money and spending it elsewhere? They DID get away with it, didn't they?
Has there been lawyers all up their ass about this? Court appearances made? What the fuck happened?
>wasn't her yes-man
she literally molded herself after Meenah's tastes. Her hair, the tattoos, the clothes, she compromised her entire personality just for the validation of one person
To me it just seemed like her idea of 'cool' changed and she decided to look a little more like Meenah. It's only later post-retcon that she clung to her like a lost puppy.
(Which makes sense, considering how she dropped her "I am a badass with 0 self esteem problems" act and realized how awful she as; Meenah was the only person around who had the potential to not make her feel like shit.)
Yeah, but it wasn't his entire thing, though. Most of his time was spent helping the kids pre-Cascade, and while he was more focused on romance after that, he also still kept his priorities in check, mostly trying to keep Gamzee from flipping out and killing everybody and making sure everybody was prepared for their arrival (which didn't work out that well, but nobody ever said it was going to)
That whole bit though just seemed like solid end note. She pays for her fuck ups by dying, gets a consolation prize husbando, and lives somewhat happily ever after. Wraps it up in a neat enough bow.
Keeping her relevant almost makes me think it was a sunk cost move by Hussie. He realized he had already invested a shit load in her character, and just writing her away like that wasn't worth it.
Still the worst.
I really hope this isn't the case. We're already wondering what in hell Hussie plans to do with Vriska and whether it's going to be good enough to justify her constant screentime, especially the recent retcon developments. So the sunk cost fallacy affects us already. But if Hussie's doing this for the same reason.. yeah.
Can someone post Nepeta's shipping wall and check the left drawing before her OTP?
There you go, at least that one is better than Vrisjake or Kanaya crawling back to Vriska. But I dunno how the fuck Hussie will make that work.
Karkat describes John's ectobiologized gaggle of rugrats as pink. I don't know any black people that can be accurately described as pink, so it's likely that every single human is white. Hussie's insistence on aracial characters was 100% a retcon and the only reason he messed with Bro specifically is because that's the only one that became memetic.
I forgot how awful Shelby's art was. Why can't she learn to draw? Does getting famous before getting good stunt your development as an artist?
I read her comic and it was a mess. It wasn't even enjoyable in an "abstract-artistic" sense, it was just awfully drawn.
In some cases, like with the kind of exposure she got, hell yeah it does. She gathered a legion of drooling fans for having noodly blushing tumblr art in canon, and can and will readily sic them on critics by publicly mocking the offender and spouting off Nicki Minaj. She's an opportunist by trade, not an artist.
I don't like fame. Don't know about the money part, probably not.
But even if he doesn't have the looks, Toby is the kind of people I could fall in love with. Does this answer your question?
>Shelby is a lesbian.
>Starts dating Toby.
>Gets on the art team.
>Suddenly realizes she's a lesbian, again.
>Breaks up with Toby.
>Is still on the art team, being on of the most important members despite having no skill whatsoever.
Don't be stupid, anon.
glub's still pretty based
Vriska's a terrible person and a fun character. Making her a permanent supporting character or killing her after her character arc is the only way to go, though. Otherwise she gets her goal of being the center of attention and she stops being interesting.
January and June look fantastic, a print set by the artist who did June of every >Enter Name bit for the kids would be dope. February looks good too but the scene makes zero sense.
May is alright up until Dave's face, which of course has to be the center of the shot. December looks passable too.
July is dogshit and October is another KC Green purposefully terrible thing. Calender looks MUCH better than last year's, which was 10/12ths dogshit.
>that dreaded ship next to Katnep
What the fuck was Nepeta smoking?
>stops being interesting
That's an understatement. This was probably one of the cringiest pages in the entire comic.
are they supposed to be poc or tanned. is the story that jane is too busy eating during the summer?
whats the deal with that sb. sbahj is supposed to look funny, not like they have a mental illness.
that's pretty severe, but there's a lot cringier than that
even if we're talking about vriska specifically, that part where she spoke on hussie's behalf on how he feels about tattoos was one of the worst logs vriska has been in
I hate Homestuck girl shots so much. It's supposed to be feminist and progressive, but it comes off as conservative and "backward".
Shit like this or her poster "the ladies of homestuck" are not different from sexist shit like Barbie.
I'd complain about boy shots buts luckily nobody draws them.
That part was hilarious, the only part of it I didn't like was that it was the end of her growing awareness of the narration, I was hoping that would end with a Vriska/Hussie bitchfight.
As it is now, I'm hopping that (Vriska) will show up again and do something to fuck someone over, probably Vriska, via narrator powers
I feel like once Homestuck actually finishes, there should just be a project to rewrite the damn thing. Take out everything that's superfluous, rewrite things to be more consistent with future concepts, generally improve on aspects where Hussie straight-up fucked. I don't even mean "write an AU fic where Vriska never gets revived," I mean more along the lines of "restructure the plot so Vriska's revival feels more like a natural continuation of where things should go".
>Eveyone's faces when Act 7 is narrated by Vriska
>EFW it's revealed midway through that alive Vriska and (Vriska) were both from doomed timelines and the one narrating is the alpha one
>EFW the last few panels of the comic reveal that real alpha Vriska has been in control since a bit before the retcon
>EFW Homestuck ends with her boasting about making the story all about her and getting away with it with no consequences
Everything already reads like a fanfic she'd write, what with Vriskagram, her stealing everybody's shticks, ""solving"" every problem, showing how she's Totally A Master Strategist, bullying Jake in very front of his friends with impunity, and humiliating the version of her who developed in ways she doesn't approve of.
So it wouldn't change much.
>you just can't make sburb!
people say this like they imagine a potential adaptation of the game to be some kind of 3D MMORPGs with every mechanic under the sun.
but seriously, you could make something like a terraria clone, with similar multiplayer and combat, except without the digging crap. that, and a lot of mechanics being simplified, of course. it'd work rather well.
(i was about to list some changes that would make the game humanly possible to create, but it got a little long. i can add post it if somebody's curious.)
>Dave's feeling towards toxic masculinity and heteronormativity
Bullshit. Dave's spiel was about how shitty a parent Bro was. Bro could be Sis, hyper lesbian ninja and the conversation would be effectively the same
>What do you guys think
I think it belongs in the trash. Fans aren't fed up because of the update schedule, but because the writing took a fucking nosedive after Game Over
>Bullshit. Dave's spiel was about how shitty a parent Bro was. Bro could be Sis, hyper lesbian ninja and the conversation would be effectively the same
I think they meant his conversation with John, which felt like Hussie himself ranting.
I hate when Hussie talks through his characters.
He used timetables, not his own powers. So far what each played showed was
Dave - created ebubbles, Jade said he can timetravel
Aradia - trapped Jack in time for a brief moment
Damara - used psychic powers from a dreambubble to a (doomed) timeline, may be not related to the aspect
Caliborn - grants LE and Lil Cal always spawn in paradox space
alright, content warning for me sperging out a bit.
list of ways to make a sburb game that isn't a multi billion dollar nightmare:
-restrict the number of possible prototypes to a small list, only code a few attacks for each. for example, 1 for earlygame enemies and the player's sprite, 1 for endgame enemies, 1 for the black king.
-don't use hand drawn animations for characters, that way your artists don't need to create 50 frames for every prototype of every underling.
-make your alchemy system combine pre-made shapes with pre-made textures, give objects specific tags like "is a sword" or "gives off light" or "could provide time travel abilities when alchemized" that have specific grist costs and are combined upon alchemy, && and || decides which of the ingredient's base type the resulting item inherits
-no need to fuck around with cruxite dowels. the alchemiter is fully upgraded from the beginning.
-exiles are just unnamed typing styles selected from a few, which give the players sidequests that require sendificating items and getting cool post-apocalypse themed stuff in return.
-major npcs could have dialogue, but the players or sprites' side should be narrated indirectly (the former for obvious reasons, the latter to not write 20 versions of every spritelog).
-scrap the following features entirely: session scratching (except as a fancy name for newgame+), and wacky impractical moduses (everybody gets a massive array sylladex).
-scrap the following features or work on them post-release: tier 2 prototyping and self-prototyping, pre-entry gameplay, exiling royalty to change who are the final boss(es).
-aspects are associated with status effects, classes with specific ability types, so that you don't have to code (12 * 12 * number of skills the average player should have) sburb powers
-time travel powers just call upon clones/attacks from the future and require the player to complete the loop shortly after or suffer consequences
-scrap dream self resurrection and god tier resurrection, no permadeath by default
-dream selves get moon sidequests and are accessed when sleeping in player houses
-god tiering is done through finding a quest bed in your land/moon during the endgame, triggering some event that puts your character in a dying state, and making it to the bed without getting hit or running out of time
-the reckoning only happens during the black king final battle, it doesn't really have any sort of impact (save for the meteor kind).
feel free to throw some criticism or eventual problems my way, this is pretty fun to think about.
they could get around that with a smaller number of base items, maybe have it be a combinations of three hexadecimal characters for the captcha and call it microCaptcha or something
Cruxite dowels would be easy to implement
>time travel powers just call upon clones/attacks from the future and require the player to complete the loop shortly after or suffer consequences
This on the other hand would be a complete nightmare to implement, not to mention awful as a gameplay mechanic.
weird that this is the only part that feels like hussie's making it all up as he goes along. just including the latest events
like, he's figuring out he can have an actual plot moment with tavros not long before it happens
>Cruxite dowels would be easy to implement
of course, but would they be fun? is it fun hauling around multiple colored cylinders from your cruxtruder to the totem lathe, and then to the alchemiter? well, if that's your definition or fun, i won't judge you, but i do think it would make for a VERY shitty mechanic.
>This on the other hand would be a complete nightmare to implement
meh, create a copy of the player with basic IA that automatically attacks stuff and warps out after a while or when low on health. as long as you don't make player characters completely different from NPCs, shouldn't be too hard.
>not to mention awful as a gameplay mechanic.
how so? extra assistance from a clone doesn't sound too bad when it comes to the fun factor, and it's a risk/reward thing. either you use the ability to get help and kill off your enemies, then safely go back in time, or you can't find the opportunity to travel away, and some "doomed" status effect makes you easy to off (that's what happens when your timeline falls apart,)
overseer is limited in a lot of ways (loads and loads of features that are either unfinished or bring nothing to the game, real-time cooldowns on actions, and a progression system that involves selecting a popular strife specibus and guessing how to recreate pre-existing items), but otherwise it's a more than decent attempt at making something SBURB-inspired.
if you want to play a version of the game where you can go grimdark, hijack a derse ship and crash it into the battlefield, seduce your denizen, bring a dying friend to their quest bed or otherwise do all the things that would take nigh infinite money, a massive devteam and major headaches for the gameplay to be vaguely coherent, try to find a roleplay group.
I think with a large enough inventory the dowels would be okay, so long as it's something the player progresses out of. Maybe it's just because I'm fond of crafting systems which don't involve the player just pressing the magic Craft button.
For the time travel clone I see your point now, I assumed you had imagined a much more complicated version which would involve the player going back and actually re-enacting what the clone did when you summoned it.
a cruxite based crafting system like in Act 1 could have been fitting in, say, a roguelike, where machinery might be far apart, and sacrificing inventory space for future item creation can bring new gameplay. in that context, it would definitely seem like a cool thing to implement.
in a terraria-like, the player is likely going to have all their machines next to each other, so at best it would just mean more button presses, and at worst it'd also make for a few short, pointless treks between the various crafting stations involved, until they can /finally/ move on to something better. the coding effort and the eventual player frustration just don't seem to be worth the (albeit pleasant) feeling of doing exactly what John Pooplord Egbert did back at the start of the story.
>the player going back and actually re-enacting what the clone did when you summoned it.
oh god no, that does sound awful, and that's not even considering what it would mean in a multiplayer game. skipping over that part would be best, since it already happened.
thank god the time aspect has got more applications than traveling to the past.