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>character is wizard alien super powered martial arts guy
>in movie is a brit made up as an arab who wears chinese clothes and likes chinese things for no reason whos really an actor

>people call this good

Does the damage control with the MCU know no bounds? Are some people just incapable of admitting they make some awful choices? How long will it be till the blinders come off and some of these movies are seen as awful by everyone?
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>>77840419
Well "wizard alien super powered martial arts guy" sounds terrible to anyone who doesn't already like the character. Most people had never even heard of him.
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Sorry IM villains are awful and don't work in any context?
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>>77840419
Dude! That's Trevor. The real Mandarin has him now.
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>>77840451
OK what about "alien named Kree with Xandarian grudge seeking an Infinity Stone for his lord, Thanos"?

Or "Dark Elf"...
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>>77840419
Almost everyone said IM3 was terrible immediately after it came out.

In any case, Sir Ben Kingsley is of Indian descent and it's slightly, very unlikely, with the tiniest of odds, just possible that Trevor really is the Mandarin.
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>>77840473
And that was planned before marvel comicfags bitched about it
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>>77840462
>IM villains are awful
>He thinks Loki and Thor work
>Thinks a guy with alien tech rings can't work

DAMAGE CONTROL
Same type of faggot who says CAPS OUTFITS LOOK GOOD LOL, then also says Thor wouldn't work with a helmet and Hawkeye wouldn't work with a mask
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>>77840473
i'd like for a twist that either Trevor is somehow really the Mandarin or The Mandarin likes Trevor as his rep and continues to do that.
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>>77840487
Touché.

I thought Trevor was funny though.
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>Real mandarin hires Trevor to continue being fake mandarin
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>>77840473
Killian was the real Mandarin.

And no, All Hail the King isn't going to ever be brought up in the MCU (just like AoS) and is pretty much not canon.

Killian is the real Mandarin that counts and will be the only one to show up in the franchise.

Get over it.
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>>77840419
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It's been 2 years, anon, you're not going to convince me to start giving a shit about Orangey McSlanteye.
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>>77840498
I prefer Hawkeye without the mask, but Thor not having his helmet even for a short while really does bug me.
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>>77840528
>AoS isn't canon meme
opinion discarded
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>>77840565
No one from AoS will ever cross over into a main franchise film, not even Netflix at this point.
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>>77840565
Wheaton said so.

And they sure as hell ain't bringing them as big players into the MCU.
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>>77840578
>no Patton Oswalt
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>>77840528
Yes. Everyone knows this. Everyone knows the odds of the Real Mandarin ever showing up are infinitesimal.

That doesn't change the fact that the shorts (which are canon) establish that there is a separate Mandarin, something pretty much confirmed by the existence of the ACTUAL Ten Rings terrorist groups in IM1.

Just because we won't see the resolution of this side plot doesn't make it non-canon. Hell, it makes the MCU feel deeper, like there are stories around each corner, and we just see some of what the A-listers do, but there's a whole world of weird out there, including terrorists with magic rings, just chugging along unobserved.
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>>77840419
>IF YOU SAW ALL HAIL THE KING IS DEFENDS THAT YOU AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WASTED YOUR MONEY

Marveldrones are the epitome of cancerous white knights. Even Star Wars fans knew the prequel trilogy they were given was shit when they got it
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I thought they had actually managed to update Mandarin to the new millennium pretty well. And of course they had to pull the old
>lol, just kidding, it's all a sham. There is no Mandarin, it was just an actor.
>lol, we were just kidding again! Actually there is a real Mandarin and he's pissed at Trevor, that whole thing in the movie about it all being lies? It was just a double bluff! please like us again I mean, why else would we do this in a superfluous Bluray extra if it wasn't all planned?

Just left a bad taste in my mouth. Had they stuck with it all being Killian's lie, fine. Would have liked to see Kingsley' Mandarin played straight but I liked the twist. But you can't have it both ways, it's just becomes stupid.
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Trevor was the best MCU villain.
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>>77840451
>"wizard alien super powered martial arts guy" sounds terrible
>Implying butthurt autistic flaming fag was a better idea
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>>77840498
Thor would be dope in a helmet. But they don't want to hide a lead actor's face. Especially if he's there for sex appeal.

Mandarin is a silly villain, deal with it.
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>>77840618
It's about as deep as Coulson being brought back to life and no one being told about it (and pathetic that they made such a short shitting on their own movie) And will have the same amount of impact on the MCU
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>>77840668
Once again, damage control of the highest order.
>Can buy Viking gods as aliens
>Can buy literal aliens
>Can't buy literal aliens
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>>77840687
I don't think we should necessarily measures stuff by "impact", though. Look at comics - there are tons of one-shots or minis or short runs that have no long-term effect but are still fucking good.

Warren Ellis's Secret Avengers - six issues that have basically never been referenced again, but they're still great stories.

I'm not saying AoS or AHTK are great stories, I'm just saying the argument "well they won't get referenced again!" is not a particularly strong one. They're either good shorts/shows or not. I think pulling stuff like Item 47 and AHTK is good because it shows us there's more going on than we see in the movies.

It's what I hoped AoS would be, but the show's been a disappointment, with either shitty one-off villains or underwhelming Inhumans crap. Zabo, Garett and Whitehall were the only good villains on the show.
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>>77840578
Except that there has already been a character introduced in AoS in an MCU movie (AoU), the Hydra guy from season 2 is talking to Strucker in the beginnig sequence (putting aside the fact that the Avengers were acting on information from Coulson's team.)
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>>77840419
I think most MCU fans concede that IM2&3 were not good films
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>>77840419
Only smart people can really appreciate what Shane Black did here.

He took the typical overused trope of the Asian terrorist villain and turned it to a smart critique of America's nationalist propaganda, media terrorism and corporate greed.

But yes, if faggot anon on 4chin can't understand some sarcastic subtlety, it must be shit.
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>>77840419
It's especially sad/ironic because Iron Man is what started this whole MCU shitshow to begin with. It really was a great movie, but then its legacy got shat on with a mediocre sequel and then raped in the ass with the failed abortion that was the third movie.
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>>77840582
>Wheaton Said so

Like that hack holds any power in the MCU
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>>77841046
I never watched IM3 because the other two IM movies were boring and people said this one wasn't even as good as those ones, but now you've made me actually wanna watch it.

Like, the way you phrase it, it makes sense. Governments often get citizens to do what they want by stoking fears of "the outsider" (foreign governments gaining power, immigrants, terrorists, etc), but a lot of the biggest threats to security in the U.S. come from corporate hijacking of the democratic system.

Still, it'd be cool to do actual Mandarin, if only because it would be cool to see Stark, used to being the smartest guy around, confronted with alien tech so advanced, he can't understand it, and it may as well be magic to him.

He wouldn't be able to accept that fact. He would convince himself that it must just be smoke and mirrors, he just has to find what the "trick" is. But Mandarin's rings could really be from a culture so advanced, the human brain just isn't adapted to ever grasp it.

I could see the resolution hanging on Stark realizing that, if he doesn't understand the mechanics of these magic rings, neither does Mandarin. He just found a way to use them, without knowing what it is he's doing. Stark could exploit that to make it backfire for Mandarin.
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>>77841125
>Stark, used to being the smartest guy around, confronted with alien tech so advanced, he can't understand it, and it may as well be magic to him.

Honestly, my biggest gripe with the Iron Man movies is that they have one fucking villain - the Rival Industrialist with his Own Power Armor Technology. At least with Killian it's slightly different in that the Extremis tech is more biological than power armor-based, but still.

Where are the other weirdos, like the Mandarin or Ghost or Grey Gargoyle or whoever? Did we really need Stane AND Hammer AND Killian?
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>>77841125
if you don't want spoilers don't read further, but it's pretty much like this


Killian uses Mandarin as a diversion. His endgame is making Tony perfect his extremis technology and killing the president of the US, as he already has the vice president in his pocket.

the media totally buy the Mandarin and chaos ensues.


there are hints though that the real mandarin exists.
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>>77840419
People called The Avengers good, though revisionists on /co/ like to pretend otherwise, now that the hype has gone away. And not just good; three years ago it was treated as a masterpiece and as the best thing since sliced bread. This got a 92% on RT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jqZQWuuaF8
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>>77841176
That doesn't sound too bad. Depends on how it was executed, I guess.

>>77841248
I remember walking out of the theatre finding the movie mediocre, and all my friend acting like I was some kind of downer for not just lowering my standards and liking it for what is was. Then again, people thought I was crazy for saying Iron Man was just okay. The MCU as a whole just didn't thrill me. I only really liked Captain America because the cinematography was at least a bit more interesting, being a nice-looking period piece.

Part of me found it super cool that there was actually a shared universe on screen, like in the comics. Like, "these guys were all in separate movies, and now they're together; that's pretty cool." But, after not being super impressed by the solo movies, and having this film hyped as being the culmination they were all working towards, it was a little disappointing that I actually liked the solo movies better than the pay off. At least those had character development, not just a bunch of action scenes and group poses strung together.
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>>77840451
So why even bother using the Mandarin?
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>>77841176
And let us not forget that One-off short where the Mandarin actually is confirmed kindof.
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>>77840529
I like how most of the rings warp reality and create mental effects on people, and then there's just "LIGHTNING BOLTS!"
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>>77840419
>character is towering Latino venom-powered mastermind guy
>in movie is a manlet Brit with anesthetic gas who's really just a thuggish henchman.

>people call this good

Does the damage control with the DCfags? know no bounds? Are some people just incapable of admitting they make some awful choices? How long will it be till the blinders come off and some of these movies are seen as awful by everyone?
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>>77840866
Not the guy you're replying to, but that character was introduced in the post credits scene of Winter Soldier then made appearances on AoS.

AoS is canon and Whedon's statment being taken out of context doesn't change that, but that character isn't an example of a character introduced AoS appearing in a movie.
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>>77841046
>Only smart people can really appreciate what Shane Black did here.

Recycled the exact same plot twist they already used in the first Iron Man movie?
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>>77841425
>Stane uses real terrorists to capture Stark so he can be head of Stark Industries.

>Killian fabricates a terrorist caricature to create chaos by media overhaul in order to get control of arms dealings.


are you mentally challenged?
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>>77841171
I would love for them to riff on the formula. Like the next film has Edwin Cord and the Firepower armor, but they're a complete red herring. The dramatic second act confrontation will be Tony against Edwin, on the roof of Cord Industries, Cord will make a veiled threat of calling security, Tony will tell him to bring it on, and out comes...two regular security guards who ask Tony to come with them to be escorted off the property. Because the Firepower armor is at a test site in Nevada and it's an unarmed testbed prototype. Cord Industries doesn't even see the Iron Man armor as a threat to its business interests as Tony refuses to produce armor for sale.
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>>77841308
Same thing happened to me with Ant Man. Walked out of the theater and found the whole movie mediocre. All my friends thought it was the greatest thing ever made.
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>>77841454
>The terrorists were actually a front for the real villain, an evil American businessman.

Do you get paid to shill for Marvel, or do you do it for free?
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>>77841662
The ten rings where not a front for Stane.They worked together. He gave the weapons in exchange for capturing/killing Stark.

At no point he used them as a diversion.
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One day people will eventually understand that inaccuracy to the source material is not and never will be a legitimate criticism of a film.

One day. I have to believe this.
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>>77841082
Third movie was so much better than the second it wasn't even a contest.
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>>77841976
Adaptations are judged on two scales, quality of adaptation and quality of product.
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>>77841366
From the day they revelead that look to after the movie came out I've always shat on this Bane only for /co/ users to defend it, so I gave up.

But anon, let me say that I agree with you.
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>>77842021

Yes, but bad adaptation does not mean bad movie/TV show. You can be a downright terrible adaptation and still be an excellent work.
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>>77842017
The second film's problem is the shoe-horned in Avengers setup that went nowhere killing the pacing and fucking with the act structure. The third film has actual plot holes. IM2 could be improved by a competent film editor with a couple of free days.
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>>77841046
I like the attitude, I like shitting on 4chan, but smart critique? Jesus Christ, what are your standards?
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>>77842044
Obviously, but it still doesn't change the fact that quality of adaptation is a legit criticism for an adaptation. Personally, I think the Mandarin twist was the best part of the film, but that doesn't mean the rest of the film isn't a mess.

Seriously, you don't have such great setup for Ben Kingsley then turn around and give us Guy Pierce as a middle-aged, frat guy looking douche.
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>>77842106

I didn't mind Guy Pearce honestly. He was a good mirror to Tony's story arc, the big final fight with him was entertaining and he was basically written as a Lethal Weapon villain with flame powers, which I enjoyed via the Shane Black connection.
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>>77842044

Case in Point.
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>>77842138
Killian as a character was hampered by what they did in his backstory, having it look like he's just being petty for Tony standing him up and basically giving him a massive inferiority complex. The fact that he has zero buildup as a villain other than working with the Mandarin and no physical presence only makes it worse.
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>>77840506
>Trevor is somehow really the Mandarin
this is my head canon.

the entire thing was a set up so trevor could meet tony in person. not even the interviewer in all hail knows trevor is really the mandarin. he only finds out when the mandarin shoots him.
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>>77842164

Considering all the weapons-grade autism that goes around /co/ when an adaptation is NOT MUH I'm surprised a lot of it is so forgiving of that movie.

Maybe even they can't reject the visual style.
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>>77842201
It isn't called Hellblazer for starters. It's more of a character adaptation as compared to the Constantine show. It's also why the Constantine show wasn't as well received initially, as it was trying to be a Hellblazer adaptation.
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>>77842250

>It's more of a character adaptation as compared to the Constantine show.

I really was surprised at how well Keanu was able to do sarcastic misanthrope. There was a level of authenticity there I wasn't expecting from Theodore Logan/Neo, as much as I love the guy he's not known for having the best range.

>the Constantine show

Outside of Matt Ryan that show really did nothing for me. You had fucking Neal Marshall directing episodes and it still managed to look flat, it should have been Hannibal 2.0.
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>>77842288
>it should have been Hannibal 2.0
Well, it was like Hannibal season 3 at least
Which is to say, forgettable shit.
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>>77842288
Cinematographers can count for a lot.
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>>77842164

Got mad when I saw this at first because it was a bad adaptation but the movie itself and the depiction of the devil were pretty great.
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>>77842302

>implying

Red Dragon adaptation was GOAT 11/10.

First half was too many slow-motion shots of snails and Will doing his best Ryan Gosling Drive impression, but it's not that bad.

>>77842306

True.
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>>77842334
I dropped because fuck Mason Verger. The most annoying, uninteresting and unbearably edgy (for the lack of a better word) even by gothic horror with serial killers who make monuments out of their victims show standards, character ever created.
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The Mandarin twist is just this utterly baffling case of them trying to not be so offensive it comes off as really awful.

If they had it so something like the 60s era Mandarin was pushed as propaganda in order to inflame xenophobia? Sure, I can see that. Turning him into a metaphor for blowback by identifying him with bin Laden and giving him a lot of other flavour of failed US foreign policy? Sure.

When you combine those? You're getting into Truther territory.
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>>77841366
Hey man, I don´t like the Nolan movies either.
As a comic adaptation, they were fucking horrible.

But hey, TDKR brought us at least some BIG memes.
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>>77842044
>You can be a downright terrible adaptation and still be an excellent work.

True. But most often than not, not being faithful/ or just ignoring the source material produces absolute crap. I do enjoy Constantine on certain levels despite , but the stuff like John becoming an action hero at the end with a cross shaped holy shotgun just dumb in otherwise good supernatural horror thriller.
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>>77842393

I admire Bryan Fuller for trying to make such a shit character work at least. They did their best.
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>>77840451
>"wizard alien super powered martial arts guy"

Normies would love the hell of it.

Take DBZ for example, its literally it, and normies love it.

Also, you can make the masses love strange things if you go and embrace it :

>talking racoom with machine gun
and
>walking tree that can only say its name
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>>77841349
kek
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>>77840419
>sperg on /co/ bitching about movie characters are totally NOT MUH comic characters
>Marvel changes the comics to match the movies

kek
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>>77840668
>Dope with a helmet

What is diffucult about doing a manly cool helmet that still can show your face, and that you use only on battle? Take Eomer from LOTR for example.

He would have been a great Thor.
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people like you are the reason MCU films are so formulaic

what you want some mystical-y Mandarin character that Iron Man just comes up and beats in the last act using beams and shit? That's boring as hell.

The Fake Mandarin twist was great. No one saw it coming and it heralded back to the source of the character, a yellow peril propaganda tool. Trevor wasn't the problem with IM3, Killian was.
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>>77840582
Whedon said so on his way out the door. Meanwhile Feige, who actually is in control, goes and says at some point they will have to cross over.
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>>77842602
All nice and dandy, until you realise he doesn't have nose.
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name one fucking good story with the Mandarin

just one
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>people call this good

I don't think anyone here calls anything from ironman 3 "good"
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>>77842708

Matt Fraction's Iron Man run?
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>>77842699
The actor?

Because I dont think that showing your nose is so important on a movie.
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>>77842634
This. The Mandarin twist was fine, but they needed a good actual villain to make up for it, and Killian was not that villain. And in the end he's not even defeated by Iron Man, but Iron Man's fucking gf?
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>>77842848
The way the helmet conceals his nose (like such a helmet should, no?) makes it look like the guy doesn't have one. Optic illusion mumbo jumbo bullshit.
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>>77842725
>implying
The suits were pretty good
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/co/ was split about it. One half was screaming about MUH MANDARIN, while the other thought it was good.

I remember liking it when I came out from the cinema, so did my friends, But in hindsight I think RDJ quips just made people forgot how stupid the movie really was.
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>>77842894
Well, I think that the coolenest of the helmet compensates the lack of the nose.
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>>77842905
>Ben 10
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>>77842044
Maybe not, but IM3 is a bad movie all on its own.
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>>77840529
If you were allowed one of the rings which one would you pick? I'd pick spin
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>capefag is upset that they didn't follow his precious formula for once
>people are "this" mad
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>>77840529
>>77842976
Remaker is kinda like Firestorms powers right? I take that one.
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>>77840618
>That doesn't change the fact that the shorts (which are canon) establish that there is a separate Mandarin, something pretty much confirmed by the existence of the ACTUAL Ten Rings terrorist groups in IM1.
A guy with Ten Rings tattoo appears in Ant-Man as one of the people invited by Cross for the first presentation.
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>>77840419
I'm still holding out hope that they use the real Mandarin in a Shang-Chi movie.
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>>77842999
>mcu formula
>joke villain

They did, and that's the problem.
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>>77842999
>Another weak villain on a Marvel cape movie

They didnt changed the formula, they enforced it fella.
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>>77840419
Kinda funny, i thought they had a pretty good idra of the Mandarin till the big reveal then i got pissed off

Had it not been for the reveal the only complaint for Mandarin was that he isnt asian or use the ten tings
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>whole world up in arms about terrorism IRL
>hype up villain as THE FACE OF TERRORISM ALL ALONG
>use Arab +Asian style
>actually the real villain was an American all along,using imagery to cover up lab fuck ups and play to everybody's fears

You're so butthurt over nothing,it was a good twist
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>>77840419
It didn't bother me when I saw the movie, and doesn't bother me now.

Its not a GOOD thing, but Its fine in the context of the actual movie.

Its not what I'd say is wrong with the movie anyways. Its just another "meh, okay" part of it.
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>>77841046
HAHAHAHAHHA

you know they rely did a good idea with Mandarin till the reveal where it was buissnessman number 3

But whatever lets you feel smart anon
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>>77843121
>actually the real villain was an American all along,using imagery to cover up lab fuck ups and play to everybody's fears
You mean real villain was bpring buisness man all over again instead of Iron Mans most iconic villain
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>>77843121
Yeah, god knows brown people are too dumb to be terrorists.
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>>77843121
You are right man, every terrorist group is a lie built by USA.

We should stop caring about this shit.

I am not american

Also, a twist can try to be meanful as its want - and this one was porrly done and made an even more cliche villain on its palce - but a movie should be interesting and enjoyable too. Tony in a battle agaisnt magick vs science, is way cooler and interesting than half assed atempts to make the franchine meanful, also its not mutually exclusive.

Stop sucking Marvel cock, just for being Marvel.
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>>77841310
Because IM1 set up the Mandarin and marvel was like "We should use him." and the director went, "A Chinese villain? YELLOW PERIL OH NO BETTER MAKE IT A WHITE GUY IN A SUIT."
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>>77843121
No, it wasn't a good twist
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>>77840419
Comics Mandarin was a weak character.

Meta Mandarin was one of the better ideas on what to do with him.
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>>77843152
>Iron Mans most iconic villain
That's like saying Stargate is Roland Emmerich's best movie.
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>>77845306
So who is it then? If not the Mandarin?
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>>77845399
You seemed to miss my point.
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>>77845426
I guess I did
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>>77840528
Not brought up in the films =/= not canon
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>>77845458
Keep telling yourself that, Jed.
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>>77845306
>Let's see what other movies he has done...

>Twenty years after the events of the first film, the international community recovers and builds up Earth's defenses using technology salvaged from remains of the alien forces. However, the aliens were able to send a distress signal before their final defeat, which results in a new task force of alien ships coming to Earth and threatening the human race once more.

Seriously? Why the fuck would they need a distress signal for this? Because otherwise no one would notice if a planetary invasion force didn't report back?
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>>77840462
>Sorry IM villains are awful and don't work in any context?
Please Read Iron Man Hunted, The Mandarin is phenomenal in it and not at all a caricature.
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>>77842634
>>77842887
What they should have done, was kept the twist, but had Trevor be obsessed with the role and his effect on the world, and injects himself with extremis and channels it thru his rings by sheer force of will.
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>>77840498
Why are you capefags so autistic?

I mean I know they tried something new but that's nothing to whine about. Is all the complaining from the fact they're not rehashing the same stories like capeshit usually is?
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>>77840462
Yeah, because Killian was such a fantastic villain.
Understand that no one whined about Henri Ducard being Ra's Al Ghul because he was a better character and villain than fake Ra's. Here's the different fucking situation, hence people not liking the twist. Had the main villain been not dogshit, no one would've complained so much.
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>>77841171
Don't forget Cross. He was basically an IM villain in the wrong film
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>>77842725
>>77842920
It was good except for that final dumb action scene
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How about this for Actual Mandarin?
>Iron Man #Whatever
>Ten Rings terrorist group is increasing it's power in the Middle East, taking control of Chinese oil properties
>They eventually grow strong enough to threaten China itself; They are a group that wants to return China to it's pre-Communist Nationalist order, and through that, dominate the world
>Though Stark doesn't see eye-to-eye with the Chinese government, the Ten Rings must be stopped, so SHIELD contracts him and the government hero, the Crimson Dynamo (the Chinese's attempt to replicate the Iron Man armor, but with a different power source, since they couldn't crack the arc reactor), to stop the Ten Rings.
>There are myths about "The Mandarin" being the leader of the Rings, but Stark doesn't believe them, as he knows The Mandarin is just a character
>When Stark comes face-to-face with Mandarin, he is stunned by his rings, which do impossible things, like matter/force manipulation, conjuring darkness, heat, or cold from nothing, etc.
>Turns out the Rings received initial funding from the U.S. to hurt their Chinese competition's interests, but this backfired on them
>Stark becomes obsessed with re-verse engineering them, as he believes that there is no magic and anything can be understood once the scientific principles are known. The possibility that this is beyond him scares him
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>>77846252
>He even goes to Reed Richards (lets hope Fox gives up the rights after that last film), who he accepts may be a greater scientist than he, but Reed goes, "sorry, bro; this be magic."
>Mandarin takes huge swaths of Asia, demands to be recognized as a state; some states are forced to do so, as he now controls some Chinese stockpiles
>Stark eventually finds the alien craft Mandarin got his rings from. Though the artifacts are so alien and advanced, his human brain can't comprehend how they work, he comforts himself by telling himself that, even if he doesn't understand it, it MUST be science that works according to nature, and not actual magic. He comes to realize that Mandarin doesn't understand the rings himself; he's like an ancient shaman who could fool his tribe into thinking he was precognizant by simply noticing patterns in the weather and stars that they didn't, without understanding how climate or astronomy even work himself
>Stark exploits the unpredictable nature of the rings to make them backfire on Mandarin
>Stark destroys the rings and the ship, believing them too dangerous to exist on Earth.
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>>77840419
Wait

Hold on

Are you implying the first one is better than the second?

Ha

Haha

Ahahahahhahahhha

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>77841366

to be fair. Movie Bane is better than Luchador Bane.
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>>77840419
>a brit made up as an arab

But those are the same thing?
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>>77840419
I just like Ben Kingsley.
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>>77846357
Neither are amazing, but come on, the first is way better

>Iron Man 2
>Same plot we had in Iron Man 1 (bad guy wants Iron Man's tech for weapons, will hire other bad people to help him, etc)
>Editing is so bad, villain is left without motive other than vague "ur daddy hurt my daddy, exactly how will never be elaborated upon"
>Pointless subplot about Iron Man dying
>"My chest thing is killing me? How do I stop it? Good thing my dad left notes about how to create a new element. All I have to do is shoot things at this thing in this pointless scene."
>Third act is a bunch of drones
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>>77845904
No, it wasn't.

>Tony tells the terrorists where he lives
>is surprised when they show up

>tons of suits of armor
>doesn't use them until the end

>fired-based, explodey villains
>have healing/regenerative powers?

>sets up Mandarin as a "serious" role
>turns out to be a punch line

This movie was all over the place and definitely the weakest of the ironman movies.
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>>77842311
Keanu and Stormare. Nothing could go wrong.
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>>77846432
Yes, but movie Bane was boring. Should've been movie Bane with venom.
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>>77846444
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>>77846252
>>Stark becomes obsessed with re-verse engineering them, as he believes that there is no magic and anything can be understood once the scientific principles are known. The possibility that this is beyond him scares him
>Magic isn't science
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>>77846432
how so?
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>>77846489
>fired-based, explodey villains
>have healing/regenerative powers?
Nanomachines.
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>>77846525
Thor pls go

I'm trying to do science here.
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>>77846331
>Stark eventually finds the alien craft Mandarin got his rings from. Though the artifacts are so alien and advanced, his human brain can't comprehend how they work, he comforts himself by telling himself that, even if he doesn't understand it, it MUST be science that works according to nature, and not actual magic.
Fuck that. And fuck you for writing it.
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I like the way MCU handles Iron Man villains. They touch on some of Iron Man's core themes without the now seemingly ridiculous jingoistic villains.
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>>77842063
>The third film has actual plot holes.
kek
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>>77847596
>Fuck that. And fuck you for writing it.
Explain ur concerns
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>>77840419
Marvel can do no wrong
if they were to get the FF rights they could put a retard in a Robocop haloween costume aand call him Dr. Doom and Marvel fanboys would eat it up and call it a clever modern reinterpretation of the character

but god forbid Harley show some skin or Aquaman not being a flamboyant faggot
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>>77840419
Because hsving a chinese villain would piss off the Chinese Govt. And the states can't afford to upset their cheap labor meal ticket.
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>Tony has PTSD from realizing aliens exist

>Good opportunity to introduce The Mandarin and his magic rings.

>Lol nope we'll just make a quipping movie with memes and jokes in every scene, and fire breathing humans.
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>>77849325
>this
They are honestly just trying to appeal to chinks at this point. They just have to worry about not offending them, Western audiences will lap it up regardless of how shit it is.
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>>77849325
More about not pissing off Chinese movie goers. Bigger demographic than the US now
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>>77840419
We do admit its an awdul choice, but Iron Man himself was still awesome.

Good villains make a cape movie great. But shit heroes can't be redeemed by good villains, and bad villains don't ruin a great hero.

That's why people who like parts of Man of Steel dislike the whole movie. As great as Zod was, a weak characterization of Clark among other flaws made the movie fall flat.
Mandarin was absolutely fucking awful and IM 3 had a pretty meandering plot, but Tony was still good enough to put it at the bottom rung of good movies rather than in bad movie territory.
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>>77849201
Skin<curves.

Bring back the bodysuit. Make it loose-fitting if need be.

Preggo Spider-woman is only marginally better than Joker's Daughter, and only because a small group of people can actually fap to SW.

Arguing for or against brand loyalty is stupid, since branding is for suckers as all companies mostly put out shit.
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>>77840419
I think they wasted kingsley on an awful reimagining of something that was stupid as fuck and obvious to everyone in the room when it was done in BATMAN BEGINS!

The crimson dynamo and some cool ancient chinese inspired heroes should be their answer to the avengers and the Mandarin should have been introduced as the first world level threat and one the Chinese were handling because..they're all hardcore and shit.


>>77849325
An evil chinese man who can take over the world being stopped by good chinese men and women who are the parallels to the avengers?
Think the chinese won't lose their goddamend minds over that?
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> IMIII
> Blonde haired blue eyed white American businessman screaming "I'm the REAL bad guy of the movie!"
> all the movie critics hail it for such a bold plot twist
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>>77848744
Not him, but the idea that magic would be opposed to science in any way is retarded.

It's an aspect of reality that can be studied and applied. It's like saying a scientist would deny electricity exists in the face of it.
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It's sickening how Disney is bending over for the chinks. I wonder what's gonna happen when Hollywood is forced to add in more diversity = black actors while realizing it'll alienate China since they dislike blacks. They put themselves in a real Catch-22
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>>77849839
Chinese don't mind blacks in movies or as super heroes, they just don't like them irl.
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>Watching Marvel flicks and anything mcu related and wanting them to make sense
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>>77850364
>Watching Marvel flicks and anything mcu related
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>>77850393

>Watching Marvel flicks
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>>77849820
If science is just the use of method to understand the behaviour of nature (which we can then manipulate for technology), and magic is the exact same thing as those things, what's even the point of the word "magic"? If magic works because of regularities in behaviours of stuff, it's just science/technology, and the word "magic" is meaningless.

What I was trying to get at is that Stark's worldview is based on things working based on the pattern of the universe, being intelligible, etc. Realizing that and exploiting that is how he became who he is. If things happen just because, that would put a wedge in his entire sense of not only the world, but himself. Even knowing that it's science he doesn't understand, rather than not even that, would be a comfort to him ("the universe does work the way I think after all"). But I'd keep it vague as to whether he's correct, or just telling himself what he wants to hear (just because it's alien doesn't mean it's science... could be ancient alien magic or some shit).

>>77849616
>An evil chinese man who can take over the world being stopped by good chinese men and women who are the parallels to the avengers?

I had a similar idea in having the Crimson Dynamo be a Chinese state-sponsored hero Iron Man works with to take on Mandarin. They would have opposing ideologies, but would both be on the side of good.
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>>77850435

>Watching Marvel

There's you problem
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>>77840419
You mean the explicitly racist Yellow-Peril villain was actually a creation of some white guy trying to prey on American fears and xenophobia to make the perfect villain?
Little on the nose, isn't it?
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>>77840462
>Sorry IM villains are awful

Hey now, the Unicorn is cool!

He shoots a laser beam from his head!


pew pew
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>>77840462
Spymaster is fucking awesome.
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>>77840692
Too much ayliens
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>>77840419
well technically the mandarin is half chinese half british so i don't mind ben kingsley playing him

i'm more pissed off that they threw away the development of the 10 rings from throughout the films
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NOT MUH MANDARIN

As if he was a much beloved character the majority of /co/ cared a whole lot about before IM3 came out.
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>>77840497
>And that was planned before marvel comicfags bitched about it
Yeah I'm sure marvel predicted that people would hate Trevor, right?
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>>77850845
That isn't the point, he was one of very few good villains Marvel had to use since no Spidey, FF, or X and they still fucked it up

Marvel has SHIT villains even when they have the chance to use one, they will ruin Green Goblin worse than Raimi did
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>>77850268
They omitted the black character in the upcoming Star Wars film in advertisements.

Chinese and Asians in general prefer to see whites in Hollywood movies. They don't care to see black or dark-skinned Latin American.
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>>77842634
>what you want some mystical-y Mandarin character that Iron Man just comes up and beats in the last act using beams and shit? That's boring as hell.
That happens in every film already. Might as well pick someone who contrasts against Tony than another businessman being the "real" villian
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>>77846525
Shut up Feigay
>>
>Mmmm, a middle eastern man who uses magic. That's way too weird... and people might call us racist...

>I KNOW LET'S MAKE HIM A FAKE AND HAVE OUR MAIN VILLAIN BE AN EVIL WHITE MIDDLE AGED BUSINESSMAN FOR THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW

Hilarious.
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>>77840419
Space wizards doesn't sell.
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the only good Iron Man villains are Ghost, and Tony's own destrudo. Mandarin can go screw himself.
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>>77850438
If the scientific method can't be appled to magic, then it'd be completely random and no one could ever use it for anything.

The word "Magic" has no clear definition. In the Marvel Universe and most fiction, it refers to a specific type of power source.
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>>77840529
Goddamn the Mandarin is so cool.
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>>77850979
But he wasn't a good villain. He's one of the most generic and uninteresting villains they have.
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>>77841104
He did direct their two most important movies so far.
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>>77850720
>the development of the 10 rings from throughout the films
The "development" was that there are terrorists and they call themselves the 10 Rings. That's it.
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>>77851844
It's relevant political commentary. Almost every shitty Middle Eastern figure or organization was at one point or another propped up by Americans. From Bin Ladin to ISIS.

The fact that you can't recognize it even as it is displayed in your own cinema is testament to how little Americans pay attention to their own government from just a few decades ago.
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>>77842976
>SPIN

My sand nigga
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>>77848744
Because I'm sick of the MCU's "Magic isn't real it's just sufficiently advanced technology that you mortals don't understand!" shit
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>>77852939
Magic being science =/= Magic not being real.

The idea that magic wouldn't be considered a science is beyond retarded. Science does not mean motors and microchips.
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>>77852737
>AOU
>More important than Iron Man
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>>77842976
That's a good trick.
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>>77840419

>character is wizard alien super powered martial arts guy

And you're surprised they didn't play Fu Manchu straight? Who in their right minds wants campy shit like that in a movie? This was a surprising and smart way of making Mandarin in anyway relevant.
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>>77841425

What plot twist in IM1 even remotely resembles the villain turning out to be a yellow peril-esque propaganda figure?
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>>77850438
I just want Tony to have to confront the fact that he can't know everything.
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>>77840498
Ghost is friggin' awesome with an amazing character design. Mainly as an anti-hero in TBolts though.
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>>77840419
Ben Kingsley deserves to be the next thanos, circa 2017, with a cyber magic Fin Fang Foom transformation like the Hulk but bigger. Screen Cap This.
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>>77840529
>IM3 ruined The Mandarin's chance to coast off Iron Man's surge of popularity
>now he'll never be popular enough to warrant official prop replicas of those rings to be made
Fucking perfect. Even when I was a kid, and they looked tacky as shit, I always wanted those damn rings. That artwork is such a goddamn cock tease with how toyetic they look, too, especially since now the chances of Mandarin ever being that cool (or relevant) again are slim to none.
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>>77854677
just make 'em yourself. it's real easy
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>>77855654
\\co]siggil
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>>77854677
But anon, Mandarin isn't a pretty boy.
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>>77859234
He's not inherently bad looking for being a ching chong, he just needed the right casting choice.
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I liked IM3's Mandarin personally.
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You were a fool if you thought you would get anything but another evil arms dealer as an Ironman villain.
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>New MCU Lego Sets
>Hyperion
>If not for Cap Marvel the Avengers will be pretty fucked
Or maybe I'm just retarded and Hyperion won't show up in the MCU.
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>>77852779
you can simplify anything to make it seem like it's not important.
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>>77852939
Dude, Mandarin's rings being alien science is from the comics. It's Makluan tech.

Also, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic etc
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