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If she didn't want to kill Kilgrave why didn't she just ablate his vocal cords so he can't speak?
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>>77709693
She needed proof of his ability, that's the whole reason she didn't want to kill him you fucking retard.
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>>77709780
Why didn't she just pack a gun and shoot him after he killed Hope? Why waste time talking to him right before he told Luke to kill her?

Just pop a cap in his ass, problem solved
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Why didn't Kilgrave stop breathing or choke on his own vomit and die when Jessica repeatedly administered a powerful anaesthetic without the supervision of a trained anaesthetist?
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>>77710019
Kilgrave has a healing factor.

It's what allowed him to survive the double kidney transplant and what will let him survive a broken neck.
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Did it piss anyone else off how they sort of teased how he would become purple...but it never happens?
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>>77710385
Next time he appears he'll be purple for lack of breathing
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>people still watching this shit
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The people who keep asking "Why didn't she just X Kilgrave?" likely didn't even watch the show. How much more plainly did they need to spell it out.
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>>77710870
This scene must have upset you deeply, loser.
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>>77709693
Better question is why was she so obsessed with proving Hope was innocent?

Surely the shit Kilgrave did to Jessica outweighs what he did to the other girl.
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>>77710998
You're an idiot, did you watch the show?
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>>77710385
Why do people want Kilgrave to be purple so bad? It would have looked like shit in live action.
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>>77710998
>Better question is why was she so obsessed with proving Hope was innocent?

This guy.
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>>77710385
After his last upgrade, you can see faint purple veins on his face in a couple scenes. I think when he's exerting his power. (Someone pointed that out on io9.)
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>>77709802
Shut up, Nuk
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>>77710998
Are you a sociopath, an edgelord, or just plain autistic?
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>>77710998
She was projecting herself onto Hope, and also part of it was that she really is a hero.

Also
The Finale sucked.
All this hype for new Killgrave powers and he doesn't have like a group of orphans kill Jess.
And don't give me none of this he didn't want to confirm his ability shit. He fully expected it not to work on her, and still used it on cops there is no way he didn't realize this would lead to people accepting that his powers were real.
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>>77711837
>She was projecting herself onto Hope, and also part of it was that she really is a hero.
>She really is an hero for causing the death of a least 5 people through her incompetence.

No she isn't.
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>>77711937
She wants to be a hero. She'll deny that shit but honestly the only reason she's not just taking all the cases she got called for in the end was because she tries to hide that she cares.
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>>77711837
Unless Killgrave's death was a work.

What if you made your arch-enemy believe she killed you?
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>>77709780
tell me all about how kidnapping someone and torturing them with sleep deprivation and electroshocks will be admissible in court?

bad writing, bad show
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>>77710998
She thinks that by saving Hope she can somehow save herself by proxy. (MUH EMOOOOTTTIIIOOOONNNSSS)
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>>77712016
That would feel cheap, honestly.

>Spend 11 episodes hammering into everyone's head that you won't kill the guy who ruin lifes daily.
>Literally make a girl commits suicide because of your lack of reasoning.
>Eventually realize you've been retarded and kill the villain in the same generic situation you fought him ten times before.
>SYKE
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>>77712016
I'm honestly kind of hoping it's that.
Or that at least he isn't totally dead.

Imagine a paralyzed Killgrave being led around by soldiers from the 10 rings
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>>77712061
Only if you view it from the perspective of JJ if viewed from the greater Marvel universe it works out.

Although I'm just a sucker for characters working their whole lives (or their whole series) towards a goal and utterly failing.
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If the red pills make your brain unable to make your lungs breathe why didn't Jessica just do mouth to mouth rescue breaths on Patsy? Why didn't the ambulance EMT just ventilate her with a bag and mask and an oropharyngeal airway?
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>>77712061
>Literally make

Did you even WATCH the show you're complaining about? Shut up.
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>>77712024
you mean how all the lawyers and cops told her explicitly that shit wouldn't be admissible and you didn't pay attention because you're retarded?
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How many fucking times are people gonna ask this question?

People want more complex characters and stories, but they can't even properly understand the simple ones unless they're explicitly spelled out for them, and sometimes even that isn't enough.
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>>77709780
The writing is terrible in this show. Don't make excuses for it.

>superstrength woman needs to smash an unruly customer through her own door that she can't afford to fix to handle him, instead of just grabbing his arms and talking sense into him
>superstrength coalburner going to save her one night lover from a rugby team beating, feels the needsto rip the handpiece off of a phone to use as a club, smash tables, instead of just slapping bitches
>let me just hang around bravely where my mind-controller enemy can find me, it's the brave thing to do for a strong independent woman who don't need no man
>guy has to talk to people to control them, plan to deal with him does not involve deaf snipers, or even a deer rifle and an iPod
>mind-controller guy's revenge plan is to taunt and provoke his super-powered target who knows how his powers work and previously arranged his near death, not to just walk up and take control of her
>Purple Man in this series, rather than Mandrill

I'm only on the second episode, and I can already tell this isn't going to get better.
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>>77714795
>>superstrength woman needs to smash an unruly customer through her own door that she can't afford to fix to handle him, instead of just grabbing his arms and talking sense into him
Nod to the comics, you're an idiot.

>superstrength coalburner going to save her one night lover from a rugby team beating, feels the needsto rip the handpiece off of a phone to use as a club, smash tables, instead of just slapping bitches
Didn't know Luke had superpowers. You're an idiot.

>let me just hang around bravely where my mind-controller enemy can find me, it's the brave thing to do for a strong independent woman who don't need no man
What the fuck is this even referring to. You're still an idiot.

>guy has to talk to people to control them, plan to deal with him does not involve deaf snipers, or even a deer rifle and an iPod
You are literally walked through why a sniper is unfeasible. You're an idiot.

>mind-controller guy's revenge plan is to taunt and provoke his super-powered target who knows how his powers work and previously arranged his near death, not to just walk up and take control of her
>not to just walk up and take control of her
You're. An. Idiot.
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>>77714873
>Didn't know Luke had superpowers.
You think that's a reason that she had to smash up his bar (gratuitously wasting time destroying a payphone) taking her time dealing with two or three of the crowd piling on him and stabbing him with broken beer bottles on the other side of the room?

In any kind of a sensibly-choreographed scene, she would have beelined for him to protect him, not taken her time beating up a couple of the guys.

I'm not going to reply to the rest of this. It doesn't seem to be any smarter.

And Purp should be Mandrill.
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Better question was how a supposed genius detective thought that kidnapping and torturing a suspect would bring about a conviction if she coaxed him to use his powers? No court in the US would allow that, I know that, and I'm not a fucking lawyer.
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>>77710361
m8 you could have a healing factor strong enough to regrow your fingers when i cut them off any second now, it still wouldn't mean you could breathe after you swallowed your tongue

>>77712706
jesus do you expect tv writers to know about that shit? they think defibrilation starts your heart up again

>>77714873
>>not to just walk up and take control of her
>You're. An. Idiot.

not him, but that's a legitimate one

there's really no way to stop somebody sneaking up on you short of burying yourself in a box, and even then it's just a question of finding the box, which you can't do anything about from inside it

it's why people can be found even if they go into hiding; it's not a question of manpower in the search, even, it's just simple deductive reasoning and occasionally bribing someone to tell you where Saddam's hole is

i mean you literally got so carried away with your ad hominem that you decided the bulk of police detective work is a boondoggle there
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>>77712024
They addressed that.
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>>77715095
>genius detective
She follows people and takes pictures.
You're just a retard.
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>>77715498

The problem isn't that they knew better, it's that Jessica didn't. She's supposed to be so smart, and wants a conviction, yet does that?
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When Jessica namedropped the NSA regarding tapping phonecalls, did she mean to namedrop SHIELD instead?
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>>77715578

Except that one time where she told Cage his entire backstory. You can't get that from pictures. I guess she just got lucky?
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>>77715095

She wasn't trying to convict Killgrave.

She just needed proof to show the court that his powers were real, so they would accept that he made Hope kill her parents and she would get off.
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>>77710870
wait....is that a woman with an light colored outer organ, having simulated sex with a man with a darker outer organ,, ahhhhhhh don't they know i don't like that, the world should revolve around my fragile emotions
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>>77715194
At the start of the series, she thinks Purp is dead.

He knows about her, she doesn't know about him. He grabs a girl and sends her parents to Jones, and has it all planned out that she'll rescue the girl and return her to her parents, so she can kill them.

He's giving her every chance to flee, to gather allies, or find some way to fight back. Why? To make her feel helpless? How would that not be better achieved by simply taking control of her?

No, he's being written by people who never stop, even at the outline stage, and say, "Hmm... this doesn't work, better change it." He's being written as an idiot for the convenience of making the plot happen. It's lazy.

This is what separates actually good TV from TV which just has good production values.
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>>77715194
Hey they cared enough to do some cursory research on how to relieve a tension pneumothorax in an emergency situation for Daredevil

You'd think they'd Google "how to manage apnea". Even a layperson could figure out that " person's brain can't tell the lungs to breathe" -> "make her breathe manually with manual ventilation, and an airway adjunct to keep the airway open"
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>>77715645

Again, no court would allow evidence taken from torture, even if the person being tortured wasn't the defendant.
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>>77714873
>What the fuck is this even referring to
The fact that she knows for a fact that Kilgrave knows where she lives and visits frequently yet she STILL keeps going there and taking people there, like Luke at the end. It's like she WANTS everyone she loves to be found.

>Nod to the comics, you're an idiot.
>if it made sense in the comics it'll make sense in an adaptation
Fuck you bro.
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>>77715724
He can't take control of her directly. He's known that since he failed to make her turn around right after killing Cage's wife.
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>>77715588
She's delusional.
Jesus Christ, anon.
Do you need everything exlpained to you?
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>>77715763

She wasn't delusional the entire time until when it's convenient for the plot? Ok. Great writing, 10/10.
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>>77715763

The problem is the other characters go along with it, except Hogarth, who is retarded in her own way.
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>>77715734

This would be major enough they'd have to rethink that. They wouldn't put away a girl because they don't believe in superpowered mindcontrol, if superpowered mind control is proven to the court. They'd have to throw out the whole case.

There's no existing legal proceeding for this, because nobody's ever proven mind control was real.
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>>77715813
There is no Killgrave. She doesn't have super strength, and neither does Luke. She is not licensed to be a private investigator, nor has she ever had any clients.

The show is about paranoid schizophrenia.
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Based Nuke is best character. She should have let him do it.
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>>77715967

The worst part was she would have after Hope died, but he no longer believed her.
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>>77715915
>They'd have to throw out the whole case.

No, the whole point from the start is that addressing mind control would only open a can of worms and wouldn't do anything real for Hope. Even if they proved mind control existed, how would they prove Hope was mind controlled when she killed her parents? What about all the other people who claimed to be mind controlled? You supposed to just take their word for it?

Jessica just has brain problems and """""hoped"""" that proving Hope's innocence would remove her own guilt. Which is why she acts like a retard until Hope literally dies.
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>>77716408

That's so sad. Hope was fucked no matter what they did, just because Kilgrave is a suck fuck.
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>>77715724
He can't control her anymore, that's like the major plot point of the series and why he does all his stalker bullshit in the beginning.

Did you even watch the show?
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>>77715967
yeah remember that awesome time she had proof of his powers and a lawyer and police officer to corroborate said evidence legitimizing it in court, and nuke killed the officer and burned the evidence
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>>77716991
Because that officer would have put Kilgrave in a prison system that was never designed to hold him.

They should have phoned the Avengers to take him in, but fuck that noise
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>>77715724
Confirmed for idiot who didn't watch the show. How much more fucking obvious do they have to make it for you that he couldn't control her?
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>>77710870
Jesus christ, we get it. You're terrified of getting keked because you're a beta pussy. Just shut up already
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Because the whole show is just a metaphor for rape and rape survivors.

Kilgrave's outburst that "I CAN'T know if anyone actually wants to do the things I tell them or not!" sounds like a parody of MRA arguments about how communication of consent can be ambiguous in sexual situations.
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>>77717285

That wouldn't have worked either. He'd just control the Avengers.

Really there was no way to safely take Kilgrave alive, without either cutting out his vocal chords, or shutting down his powers completely.

They don't really have a prison to hold superpowered criminals in the MCU because they usually end up killing them.
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>>77717833

Funny thing is he can. He just has to ask because people can't lie to him either.

Kilgrave is just full of shit.
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Jessica hears from Kilgrave's parents that they were trying to cure him and decides that "it was all lies, Kilgrave was lying about being tortured as a kid"

Except that can't she grasp that for a child being held down and stabbed with needles while screaming is basically torture from the kid's perspective even if it was for a purpose?

Did she somehow also forget about the videos of all the other kids undergoing painful and dehumanizing experiments?
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>>77709802
because anytime he could be killed, he could have sleep kamikazes for leverage. She only got the guts to do it when it endangered Trish. So, you know when Spidey has to choose between a schoolbus and his girlfriend, and he picks the schoolbus? Jessica picked the other option, without knowing if it would kill those people or not.

I mean, they outright state this in the dialogue, so I don't know why I'm even trying.
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>>77717973

And Kilgrave is an adult now. Unless they never told him they were trying to cure a severe illness that would have killed him he should be able to understand.

I thought it was horrible I couldn't eat icecream all the time as a kid, but now as an adult I understand it was so I didn't grow up to be a fatass.
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>>77717973

Tbh senpai I think they were just attempting to subvert the bad childhood backstory and didn't think about it too hard.
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>>77717864
Tony could just have his robots deal with him. He can't control robots.
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>>77718057

Well yes. Tony and Rhodes could have fought him and turned off audio so he couldn't order them.

Or they could have sent Vision to deal with him.

But unless they were gonna kill him, which was Jones was gonna do anyway there was nothing the Avengers could do to contain him.
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>>77712110
Thank God you're not a writer.
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>>77715025
Why the fuck would Purple Man be Mandrill?
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>>77718057
Tony is forbidden from roboting.
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>>77712024
You weren't paying attention. She didn't need him to confess. She just needed him to demonstrate his powers. As long as one of the jurors believed that he had mind control, Hope would walk.
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>>77718021

All she'd have to do is keep him unconcious or sedated for 12 hours. Then kill him.

His commands are only good for 12 hours out of his presence because then his virus wears off. So his suiciders wouldn't do it.

Plus weren't they not sure if his commands would even work after his death?
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>>77718209
>But unless they were gonna kill him, which was Jones was gonna do anyway there was nothing the Avengers could do to contain him
The Avengers are the only ones with access to legitimate AI (or near-AI), so he could have a prison staffed exclusively by AI-controlled robots, with no humans anywhere for him to control.
Or they could have Scarlet Witch fuck with his brain. I'm sure that would work out.
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>>77714795
>this autism
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>Claire literally offers to call Daredevil
>who is literally immune to Kilgrave
>literally nothing comes of this
What a fucking waste.
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>>77709693
That's what she did.
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>>77718337
...is this bait...?
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>>77718402
Daredevil is immune to Killgrave you idiot.
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>>77718269

And what do they do while Stark is building this special prison and bots to hold one guy?

I mean Scarlet Witch could mindrape him, but that's inhumane according to the law. They might as well cut his vocal chords out so he can't talk. Or you know..just kill him.
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>>77714795
>>guy has to talk to people to control them, plan to deal with him does not involve deaf snipers, or even a deer rifle and an iPod
"Oh fuck, killgrave is back in town, better just call the local school for the deaf and see who's top in their sniper class this year."
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>>77718423

In the comics. We don't know if he would be in show.
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>>77718250
>All she'd have to do is keep him unconcious or sedated for 12 hours. Then kill him.
They couldn't kill him while trying to free Hope. After that, they didn't know where he was, and after that, they didn't know the duration.

>Plus weren't they not sure if his commands would even work after his death?
Which is why Jessica didn't want to risk it until Trish was in danger. It's not that she knew it would happen.
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>>77709693
>If she didn't want to kill Kilgrave

I think she wanted to, she was just waiting for a good excuse to do it. If she just walked up and shot him in the face or something, it would still seem pretty fucked up to the rest of the outside world. I think she knew that and had to wait for an opportunity to do it in defense
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>>77718465
But then Hope wouldn't be freed. It's like you assume that the characters have all the same information you have when you've watched the whole thing. Yeah, if they'd kill Kilgrave at the beginning then no one would've died, but they couldn't possibly know that, they were taking the best solution hoping he wouldn't kill anyone else at all points until they got fed up.
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>>77718250
Before he went overboard on the fetus juice his powers were already amped up to 24 hour periods and a hundred yards, at the end we didn't know how powerful he was just a shit ton stronger.

Not to mention she's tried that kind of situation twice now, each failing. She just wanted it over, especially with how strong he was now.
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>>77718487
How was DD immune in the comics? Because he couldn't make eye contact with him?
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>>77718666
>I can't hear you; I'm blind!
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>>77718666
I think it's because Matt is wired differently than a normal person. Think about it, he processes more sensory information than a normal human (minus sight) so maybe Killgrave's virus/pheromone just doesn't mix with that kind of brain chemistry
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>>77718859
>so maybe Killgrave's virus/pheromone just doesn't mix with that kind of brain chemistry
It's more likely that he would be affected. He can still receive verbal commands without need for eye contact.
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>>77718666
Being blind lets him focus hard enough to ignore Kilgrave's instructions, or something.
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>>77714795
>>superstrength woman needs to smash an unruly customer through her own door that she can't afford to fix to handle him, instead of just grabbing his arms and talking sense into him

>doesn't understand illogical anger and reacting
People break stuff in anger all the time. It's stupid, and human nature.

>all the other dumb shit

you know what, fuck off I'm too lazy for your shit kid.
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>>77718666

He just has a sharp enough mind to resist him. So for that matter could Kingpin, Dr Doom and a bunch of other guys. And any decently powerful psychic.

In the show his control seems more absolute and willpower is seemingly pointless.
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>>77719226
yeah, the show character didn't exist long enough for writers to have to come up with idiotic excuses and plot-armor. With the exception of Jessica herself, I guess, but even that was implied and kind of the point.
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>>77717973
>Did she somehow also forget about the videos of all the other kids undergoing painful and dehumanizing experiments?

the thumbdrive isn't "Killgrave's parents greatest hits" it's "Experiments that resulted in gifted, greatest hits." killgrave was just a single track on it.
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>>77719591
no really, you can go back to your kek porn now
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>>77719611

I only watch JAVs, no kekking here.
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>>77719633
okay, then you're afraid someone will steal your girlpillow, whatever
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>>77718032
You might have missed the bit where the it l professor that Jessica called to try to track down Killgrave's parents obviously thought they were disgusting and was reluctant to be associated with them or discuss them any further.
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>>77715967
I really felt sorry for this guy.
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>>77717973
Jessica is biased against Killgrave. No big surprise there given all the shit he did to her.

Thing is, his parents were trying to help him. Problem is his parents were trying to keep him alive in a horrible way that resulted in incredible pain. Naturally, he grew up resentful and once the powers kicked in, well, all the shit hit the fan.

After that he literally grows up without anything resembling an authority figure and having powers that guarantee instant satisfaction. It's pretty easy to see how he became what he is.

Of course, it's too much to hope for for Jessica, being who she is, to ever realize that.
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>>77715967
Were the writers just trying to use him as a lame metaphor for drunken/druggie abusive boyfriends?
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>>77720852

Jessica just understands all of that is not an excuse to be a murderous rapist, because nothing in the world ever is, unlike some people that seem to think Kilgrave is justified.
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>>77720884
Not justified, understandable.

There is a difference between agreeing and understanding.
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>>77720924

I just don't get that. Would Kilgrave rather he died of his disease?
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>>77720960
It depends if you think Kilgrave hates himself like Jessica hates herself.

Saying what Kilgrave wants is a difficult thing because he always gets what he wants. His life has no conflict of interest, no challenge, no interest. That's why he loves Jessica - she's the only thing- sorry, person that ever opposed him.
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>>77709693
What's WRONG with her FACE?!
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Which was worse?
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>>77721426
Hogarth was great, what are you talking about? Glad she's going to be a major reoccuring foil in Iron Fist.
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>>77720852
I'm a big touchy feely liberal pansy. I so badly wanted this to turn into the "redeem Kilgrave show" even though I knew it would never happen.
Everyone in the show is just such a huge fuckup that he somehow came out as one of the most likable characters.
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>>77717285
presumable thats when SHEILD steps up and either cuts out his vocal cords or fits him with a special muzzle
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>>77720960
Think of it from the point of view of not an emotionally mature adult but an emotionally stunted one.

I spend a lot of time around the hospital as a kid. If I had a nickle for every "I hate you, mom/dad!" I heard a kid shout out I'd be a rich man.

Now switch vaccines and dentist appointments for spinal fluid extraction. That shit hurts like hell.

The one day it is the resentful kid the one who is calling the shots and who will be forever enabled in anything he wants because that's his super power.
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>>77721426
i wanted former-junkie to punch her in the face so bad.
like the show would have ended much happier and 4 episode earlier if she wasn't such a fuckhead
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>>77721690

Unless he'd geniunely rather have died, and it sure doesn't seem like that, I think even with Kilgrave's emotional immaturity he'd have the brains to understand "Well sure I was tortured as a kid, but it beats fucking dying over a decade ago."
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>>77721452
i was suprised how the show made me like Jeri
i expected to just hate this character but they gaver her layers and it was cool.
like she legit loved her secretary and was having a hard divorce with a woman who refused to give her any quarter.
it was kinda creepy how Wendy was like the only person in the show who went along with one on Kilgraves commands happily.
bitch lawyer though she may be Jeri didnt deserve 1000 cuts and it was kinda terrifying seeing her try to scramble away from her
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>>77721815
Emotions beat facts. Saving his life is secondary to, "Fuck it, that was torture."

That said, there is something of a knowledge gap here. He's resentful. We know that. We also know he didn't immediately kill his parents or anything like that. Which makes sense because back then he was just an angry kid, not a total monster. That came later.

The big incident before his parents leave seems to be the part where he made his mom burn her face which was likely the big turning point for him. His parents say it was because he was a sadistic shit. He says he was a kid throwing a tantrum.

Both are equally likely since he is a piece of shit prone to throwing tantrum. At that point, it's pick your own interpretation.
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>>77721928

She took a fetus and tried to have secret experiments on it so she could sway court decisions into her favor. In no way was she a saint. Matter of fact, I think she's pretty badly written as it seemed like the writers didn't know if they wanted her to be evil or not. God forbid a lesbian be evil.
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>>77722072
But the show is pretty clear she's a bad person at the end. Take your /pol/ blinkers off.
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>>77722072
No real people are consistently "evil" in everything they do, even the terrible ones.
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>>77721928

Interesting thing was she was the only person able to outthink Kilgrave's commands at least for a little while.

He orders her to drive, she tells him to clarify a destination, he tells her to take her to a doctor she trusts, she brings him to her ex the person trying to screw her and that she wants revenge on.

It doesn't last as she starts blathering about the fetus thing based on a off hand comment, but still it was interesting seeing as nobody else managed to do that.
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When daddy gives Kilgrave the odds of the formula killing him at the end, and tells him he's hoping it does, Kevin responds that he feels the same way.
Was he simply saying that he wants his father to die just as much, or was he letting slip that he kinda hopes the injection kills him?
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>>77722426
I honestly feel that you can take it either way.
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>>77722426
>was he letting slip that he kinda hopes the injection kills him?
I understood it as this.
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>>77715747
But in any way does that relate to her being a woman?


Also the door thing helped to establish her personality.
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>>77722190

She constantly stood by Jessica even though it made no sense both logically and financially. She basically did everything for her pro bono. She never betrayed her even when it was clear she wanted to. Technically she only made the deal with Killgrave cause he forced her to guide him to her. Other than being a hard ass, a cheater, and the fetus thing, she's technically a better person than Jessica.
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This show was such a fizzer.
With way too many logic breaks and lame grrl power moments.
Critics claiming it was better than Daredevil, but literally nothing about it is better.
The writers need to learn how to escalate a situation.
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>>77723348
>The writers need to learn how to escalate a situation.
Fucking this. Jessica Jones confronts Kilgrave several times in the same manner until she fucking gets the grand idea to just play along with him.
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>>77722677

Wait what? Everything in the second half is basically her fault because she tried to make a deal with Kilgrave to control her ex, otherwise Kilgrave never would have escaped that tank and Jessica's plan would have worked.
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Why was Jessica immune on the show anyway? I really don't believe it was just for remorse of killing Reva
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>>77715025
>And Purp should be Mandrill.

Marvel has had multiple rapist mind control villains. Why are you obsessed with the mandril?
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>>77723484

If it was all her fault she wouldn't have pointed the gun at him while trying to escape from him, it makes no sense. After the initial control everything was the result of Kilgrave's control.
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>>77722234
Except for Muslims
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>>77723348
>literally nothing about it is better

The acting was more consistently good (the acting at the start of Daredevil was not).

And I think Kilgrave > Kingpin
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>>77723788
Did you miss the part where she disabled the electricity to the tank that was their failsafe against Kilgrave, which resulted in his escape?
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>>77722292
see i took that as despite all the shit going on between them Jeri still trusted Wendy
like one last little stab of "just because im not in love with you doesn't mean i hate you"
its why the divorce was such a big deal, Jeri just wanted it done and over with but Wendy kept pushing for more and more, granted part of that was justified because JJ drunkenly threatened her, but Wendy resented the hell out of Jeri for the whole
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>>77723678
She has super powers and she's probably the one person who has spent the most time with Kilgrave constantly under his control. If anyone was going to develop some sort of immunity, it would make sense it'd be her.
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>>77723678
>Jessica has super-anatomy (strength, etc)
>Her immune system is correspondingly strong
>She can develop immunity to the Kilgrave virus and normal people can't
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>>77723678
see i took it that the fact that she had the most continued exposure, and so when killing Reva snapped her out of it it let her body make antibodies to his virus
so its a combo of exposure and snapping out of it
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>>77723348

>nothing was better

The middle was. It might have been a little repetitive, but it was better then all the nonsense with the Russians that didn't mean shit.

Also Nuke might have been a little awkwardly handled, but at least he was a character in the story. All the Madame Gao/Black Sky mysticism served no purpose AT ALL except to tease future plot elements.

Daredevil was awesome, but it was messy too. Jessica Jones was far more focused, if slower and WAY less suitable for binge-watching.
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>>77712024
Confirmed for not even watching the show
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I am watching the scene where simpson take those redpills.
Wasn't he told to only take 1 red pill?
Also Jacket guy is best victim
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Just finished it. Man. What a mess. What a mess.

There were a couple episodes in the middle where it seemed to be going well.

Awful writing. So many stupid decisions. I'm not sexist but, it's as if women wrote a noir/cape show without being able to navigate either genre.

Daredevil was way, way better.
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>>77724886

>bites down on red pills, immediately goes HAM just to shoot two people
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>>77724886

Yes.

>one red
>two white
>one blue
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What are everyone's hopes for Luke Cage?

Personally, it's the show I've been looking forward to the least, and I'm mostly going to watch it to keep up.

I'll enjoy more scenes of Luke not giving a fuck as people try to hurt him though, like in the bar. Like, just a whole half hour of that please.
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>>77724924
In that scene he actually takes two
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>>77712706
But the EMT did exactly that while he was questioning Jessica about the drug she took. He took the mask off of her as soon as she started breathing on her own again.
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>>77715734
It literally doesn't matter. It's for Hope's case, not a case against Killgrave. The goal is to demonstrate his powers are real so Hope has a defence. It makes no difference if his confession is administrable or that he even confesses anything.

All she needed was proof of his powers, because that part is perfectly admissible under any circumstances.
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>>77717285
Why would the Avengers answer her call? Do they have a hotline? Would the believe her or would Thor open the door and become a walking WMD?
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>>77715967
>can barely act
>character goes full retard because lel drugs
Yea, I know he becomes Nuke, but his character arc went from lame to terribad. Kilgrave was out doing god knows and the story had to stop in its tracks because Simpson was having roit rage.

Him and Robyn are tied for worst characters on the show.
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>>77721426
>that scene where Hogarth's feeling up the secretary
came buckets. They were such a fucking hot couple.
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>>77721690
True as fuck. Kids stuck in a hospital get very emotionally stunted and very spoiled. The world revolves around them and they become huge assholes if they grow up.
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He said "I feel the same way about you"

He wanted his dad to die.
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>>77723788
she disabled the tazer in his cell. It's because of her that he escaped.
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>>77724944
im hoping it takes place post JJ but with flash backs to Origin and pre JJ
im hoping for a story where he builds himself back up after his ordeal in JJ and what ever happened before, a personal redemption story but one thats more focused on him than JJs was. and one that that feels genuinely "black" without being exploitative or preachy as hard as that is.
im hoping for Heavy Brawling action scenes of Luke taking on multiple dudes at once. maybe a cameo or two from other characters from Netflix series and maybe ones yet to be introduced coughdannycough, and intro ducing more "active characters" like Misty and such.
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>>77724944
A tiara, several uses of Sweet Christmas, and a raging bromance with Iron Fist.
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Finished it a little bit ago. It was really weak. Tennant was the only interesting thing, besides some good performances from Moss and a couple others. But even his jobbing was shitty.

Awful writing throughout.

Why did Jeri's lover showing up at exes house at exactly the right time? She rattled off some excuse but narratively it was a huge stretch just to get her there.

Everyone in the cast being at kilgrave's cell, similarly. Just clunky and poorly directed.

And yeah, nothing productive or admisable could have come of that. I know Jeri said so, and Jessica growled who cares or something but it's true. It was stupid.

The sister following Malcolm to the meeting and somehow knowing everyone's name and rallying them against Jessica. She doesn't freak out about Malcolm's admission of her brothers murder or even think to go to police. Somehow knows about kilgrave and just buys that this mystery villain was behind it, but also fuck Jessica Jones.

And she's the one to knock Jessica out with a 2x4 because uh, the narrative called for it.
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>>77725752
Kilgrave's mom showing up at the meetings was fucking stupid and convenient. His parents being around at all. And his working with his Dad toward the end was deflating narrative momentum.

The recollection of kilgrave being happy w Jessica for 18 seconds. Forgetting she tried to kill herself?


No broken necks from anyone when the entire group hangs themselves. I guess the writers think they're supposed to suffocate?

Cops don't notice rope burns on every witness afterwards.

Patsy, who we're always reminded is rich, drives a Hyundai.

Jessica runs into traffic and gets hit "He didn't even stop! Humanity sucks and don't deserve saving." Just indicative of the dour, sarcastic tone throughout. I get that's her characterization, PTSD and all, but it's really off-putting after a while.

Simpson all amped up can't get through a bathroom door. When people do go through walls, often, it's way too clear they're thin prop walls.

Jessica clearly could have just let Simpson kill Kilgrave from the beginning saving many lives. I know, muh projection on Hope, but it's true. Hope died, Kilgrave too. Simpson could have saved lives by ending it earlier.

Simpson literally tells her about the blue pills. When Patsy's down, Jess doesn't try to locate them. Yeah he threw em out the window or something but maybe Jessica can use her superpowers to jump down there real fast and get em.
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>>77725774
Luke- "Do i need to know what happened here?" Getting back to JJ's apartment after Simpson stuff Jessica-"NO!"
But... he does. Especially after the " I'm so sorry for not being trustworthy."

Patsy has important news! People are dying left and right! But Luke's cute, go do your thing girl lmao, nm.

Luke struggling to punch through or maim a car door as if he was a normal human.

Why risk Patsy with that meaningless ruse at the end? For what purpose? Fooled ya, it's not Jessica. "Shoot her." But no, because? There was no need for Patsy to sacrifice herself like that for momentary hide and seek.

"They say everybody's born a hero..." No, they don't. That's not a thing, but writers just thought it sounded nice.

Abysmal writing, and it had lots of potential. It was interesting for a couple episodes about a third of the way in.
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>>77717285
He was already in a prison that held him.
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>>77714873
Flowey pls leave
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>>77725235
>Thor open the door and become a walking WMD

Kilgrave can't control Thor. He's immune to Earth viruses.
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>>77724729
But everyone else controlled to kill themselves or others, they don't snap out of it? Really?
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>>77725752
>>77725774
>>77725810

This has to be the most inane set of nitpicks I've ever seen on 4chan. Like half of these are random background quibbles, this level of criticism could be applied to any work of art and be used to discredit it.

>inb4 LE JUST TURN UR BRAIN OFF RITE YOU FUCKING PLEB
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>>77726475

What's inane about them? I'm pointing out a conglomeration of flaws. If you liked it, good. But there was a lot that went wrong.

>This level of criticism

You mean, criticism?
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>>77726527

>responding to a tripfag
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>>77718250
>All she'd have to do is keep him unconcious or sedated for 12 hours. Then kill him.

obviously if he told people to kill themselves if he doesnt come back to stop them in the next few hours they will do so whether he is dead or unconscious or happens to forget

his powers aren't a continuous link you can break
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>>77725774
>No broken necks from anyone when the entire group hangs themselves. I guess the writers think they're supposed to suffocate?

people do that all the time IRL by not giving themselves enough length to drop
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>>77726607

Yeah but he claimed he had people ordered to suicide only if he died, so Jess can't kill him.

In that case she just has to keep him captive for 12 hours and then she can kill him without reprisal because the commands would have worn off and they wouldn't have done it because he hadn't died when it was active.

Also he was bluffing or unaware of how his powers worked because when she finally does kill him everyone around them he had enthralled instantly snapped out of it, so his commands stop if he dies.
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>>77726663
"Kill yourself if I don't come back in 6 hours"
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>>77726628

Fair point, but then why would Kilgrave not give them enough rope to break their necks? Convenient answer is so he could make his escape bc he just knew JJ would have to rescue them, but I don't think that's it. Think it was an oversight or at least clunky.
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>>77726628
>people do that all the time IRL by not giving themselves enough length to drop
I think their gripe is that there are basically no such things as lasting consequences of things. We only see Jessica have wounds treated twice, and NOBODY seems to get hurt from Jessica throwing them against walls or punching them in the face. The only person to get a concussion in this series is Luke fucking Cage. The only "consequence" for these scuffles is death, and that's fucking scarce.

>>77726607
>his powers aren't a continuous link you can break
Yes, they are. Soon as he gets tranq'ed Malcolm snaps out of it. That was the entire fucking point of his weakness, not just that he can't give orders when KOed but that orders stop applying when KOed. Tranqing him would disable all commands he had active.
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>>77726679

That's not what he tells her though. He says he had people he commanded to suicide only if he died.
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>>77726742
>I think their gripe is that there are basically no such things as lasting consequences of things. We only see Jessica have wounds treated twice, and NOBODY seems to get hurt from Jessica throwing them against walls or punching them in the face. The only person to get a concussion in this series is Luke fucking Cage. The only "consequence" for these scuffles is death, and that's fucking scarce.

pretty much this
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Unbelievably weak ending.
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>>77722909

The russian boss in daredevil was also a Power Ranger.
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1. Kilgrave
2. Patsy Walker
3. Jeri
4. Luke
5. Simpson
6. Calamity Jane
7. Jessica
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>>77724803
>Jessica Jones was far more focused

Why do I even keep coming here?
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>>77726742
>Soon as he gets tranq'ed Malcolm snaps out of it

What? No, Malcolm fucks off because he realized Jessica knew he was stalking and working for Kilgrave, he was being ashamed chickenshit junkie. The only thing Kilgrave did with his powers was turn Malcolm into a drug user and then just make him take picture every day in exchange for drug money.
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>>77727137
Oh, you're right, and I just remembered that annoying neighbor lady brought the bomb and dialed the number even after Kilgrave was KOed.

So the series is inconsistent, since earlier they establish the reasoning that "certain brain functions are knocked out by Sufentanil" and equated that to turning off Kilgrave's commands.
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>>77726663
Malcom wasn't mind controlled. Holy shit why is it none of you assholes actually pay attention to the damn show.
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Honestly I wanted Killgrave to succeed. Everyone else was so stupid and made situations worse. They deserved to get screwed over by him. Especially the hole mind control anonymous group.
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>>77727218
*whole
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>>77727218
Kilgrave was somehow the dumbest and most annoying character.
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>>77727218
>Honestly I wanted Killgrave to succeed.

True dat, Kilgrave just wanted to play house with his waifu.
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Why couldn't Jessica just one-shot those guys with tasers who took Killgrave from her?

Why was that fight even a struggle for her?
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>>77727291
Bitches, right?
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>>77727291

Her breaking locks kung fu was not effective against taser sticks, obviously.
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>>77727511

That's just it, though. She already hit several of them before they got any strikes in.

They shouldn't even be conscious.
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>>77727218

You sicken me.
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I just want to know why it took Jessica 13 episodes to use headphones against Killgrave
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>>77727637
You also have to look down so you can't read his lips.
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When Jessica learned that Kilgrave is a virus why didn't she go steal some hazmat suits to block the virus?
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>>77718465

Have vision deal with it
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>>77709693
TAG YOUR SPOILERS AAAAAAA
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>>77709693
he can always write shit on a notebook you idiot.

his power doesnt reside in his voice.
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>>77724974
There was a mask on, but there was no airway adjunct and she wasn't being ventilated.
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>>77730102
Nobody cares.
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>>77718337
>Why didn't they just call the Avengers?
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Why didn't they get the Avengers to testify that mind control exists?
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Was anyone else rooting for purple man and thought that his parents and jessica fucked everything up?
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>>77731322

Yep. Not even trying to be edgy but he was clearly more endearing.
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>>77731322
He was a psychopathic manchild and already past the point of no return. Even if he really felt remorse for enslaving his parents he no longer gives any shits about the lives of anyone who isn't him.
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>>77731322

Considering he just wanted to rape and kill his way through life for shits and giggles no.

Not unless you are a sociopath with no empathy for even fictional characters.
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>>77718666
I thought about this, because DD's sense are so sharp he can sniff out Purple Man's virus hanging in the air so his body would take appropriate measures against it. I thought it ould make for a good scene.
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>>77714795
Lip reading also triggers his powers.
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>>77716408

That is exactly what happens though. In the finale Killgrave controls so many people and isn't able to cover it up (being killed before he could) that all of them, including Jessica, walk for the actions they did because it's either mindcontrol or admit that an entire hospital a whole police force, and a whole docks crew all went nuts for no reason.

Jeri even gets them to admit Hope's innocence posthumously (sadly if she hadn't killed herself before then she could have gotten off too). The only lie was that Jessica killed Kilgrave because he couldn't deal with his actions, when obviously they just did it because she did legit murder him.

Jessica's plan might have even worked if Jeri didn't sabotage it, but either way they proved Kilgrave in the end and everyone got off for what he made them do.
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Simpson struck me as an absurdly contrived character - sure was convenient Kilgrave picked a special ops soldier at random...
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Is everything after this show just going to be new canon?
She doesn't really have much in the way of backstory besides Killgrave and being somewhat tied into the Secret War.
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I'm sorry I guess this would ruin the story but instead of putting him in the van why not just curb stomp him?
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>>77710943
No I saw the show I just don't see why the dude needs such heavy plot armor. She punched him once, fucks sake she could have burned his eyes and then he couldn't look at the photos at least.
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I avoided /co/ for the past week because spoilers

Did people here freak out about JJ enjoying that big unbreakable dick as much as I imagine they would?
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>>77736579
Not really, most of the /po/tards contain themselves over at /tv/
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>>77736579
Not really, /tv/ did though. Probably still is.
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>>77736282
You have trouble following stories, most of /co/ does apparently.
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>>77715701
underated post
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>those Daredevil teases

I hope he shows up in Luke Cage show
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>>77721426
Hogarth is lesbian, which is hot, instead of in a creepy relationship with her dweeb brother, which is not hot.

Hogarth was a bastard but in an interesting way. She was like 2 steps removed from Kilgrave in terms of ideology at times. So the idea at the end that JJ will try to make her be better is really interesting.

Creepy twin girl was just annoying and fucked everything up in a not-fun way. I will admit I was a bit sad when she was freaking out over her dead brother, they did that well, but most of her screentime was annoying.
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>>77715967
I really hope they are setting up Born Again.

Do you think they are going to make Netflix's full feature movie adaptation of Born Again?
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>>77736731
I think they're going to have to, it only makes sense.
You can't build them up for The Defenders, and give none of them zero interaction whatsoever beforehand.
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AKA MURDERER
>Daredevil takes down the kingpin of crime, a man whose crimes are probably triple the number of Kilgrave's
>Manages not to kill him
>Le Hardass Jessica Jones can't even manage one Britbong with parent issues

Can we leave the killing to Punisher and Scourge of the Underworld?
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>>77736832
Thankfully they have based Claire to connect them all

I adore her character so far

>more damn superheros? well shit guess I'll fix them up, why the fuck not
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>>77736854
Gonna have to tone down the obviousness of your bait if you want it to work, man.
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>>77736881
>>77736854
He's still kinda right though
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>>77721426
Can you imagine how loud the complaints would have been if Robyn and Reuben's genders had been the other way round?
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>>77736947
>>77736854
Samefag.
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>>77737006
>>77736881
samefag
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>>77736854
That's what I thought too.
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>>77737035
Great work, you should become a P.I.
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>>77737051
>>77736854
Samefag.
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>>77716991
The evidence was coerced through torture and attempted murder. It'd prove he had powers but not that he was willfully controlling people to commit crimes. It wouldn't be admissible in court.
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>>77736854
yeah, but who's more a threat? a mob boss who thinks on a bigger scale or a mind controlling psycho who hasn't realized how great his power is?
all kilgrave did was obsess over a girl, meanwhile he could have had the world.
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>>77737071
I just got here.
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>>77737099
K.
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>>77737093
If that world didn't have the Avengers in it and a number of other super powered people.
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Jessica Jones does some private dicking if you gargle my mayonnaise.
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>>77737150
i mean no one even knew who he was until the only immune person in the world escaped his grasp. think about it, if he never saw her he would have continued to control people and no one would know.
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>>77736854
One crimelord manbaby =/= a man who can literally tell you to stick a gun in your mouth and blow your head off and you'll do it. Fisk had set up a lot of resources that made him hard to put away, but that's all thy were: resources that could be stripped from him. Kilgrave was just who he was, making it very difficult to take him down without killing him.
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>>77709693
Just finished this

David Tennant was just brilliant
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>>77737237
He would have eventually caught the eye of SHEILD or another organization.
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>>77736857
>The event that forces the formung of the Defenders is Claire going "I think I know a guy."
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>>77737353
He hadn't so far, he could have gone on forever without them noticing
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>>77721505
THEY BUILT A MUZZLE FOR LORELEI IN AGENTS OF SHIELD!!!

THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH MIND CONTROLLERS!!!!!111
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>>77737438
They didn't build it, it was Sif's right? They just fixed it or some shit
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>>77727168
>So the series is inconsistent
They only got that idea because Kilgrave was afraid of it and didn't know if it would shut his shit down.

Turns out he was wrong and had nothing to fear.
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>>77737438
What would happen if Lorelei and Kilgrave met?
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>>77737431
If Jessica Jones didn't get a show on Netflix, I imagine Kilgrave would have been a villain of the week on AOS.
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>>77737438
Let's not forget in Agent Carter they had a muzzle on Faust.
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>>77727291
She's strong enough to kill with one punch.

But unlike Trish she's not a trained fighter and much like Spider Man she pulls her punches to not hurt people.

She's basically a super strong person who doesn't know the right amount of force to make someone sleep without killing them. That's why she throws them into things or gently bops their heads on things.
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>>77717864
>They don't really have a prison to hold superpowered criminals in the MCU because they usually end up killing them.
SHIELD had one but that got BTFO
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>>77726464
they either weren't super human, or hadnt been around him enough to develop antibodies. possibly you need both which is why only jessica became immune.
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All I'm getting from reading this thread is that somehow this very straightforward show is too complicated for /co/ to follow.
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>>77737732
What are you even talking about
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>>77737732
Such a fucking shock.
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>>77737747
>hurr why didn't kilgrave control jessica
>hurr why doesn't jessica just kill him from the start
>hurr Jessica wants Kilgrave convicted rite?
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>>77727168
but sufentanil DOES affect his powers.
its the reason he had to pay money for Jessica Birth Home. after it wears off he tells the guy he bought the house from to leave and he leaves without question.
It doesnt stop commands he issued before he got tranq'ed. (apparently only death does that)
it stops him from using his powers for a while after he wakes up.
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>>77722006
>Both are equally likely since he is a piece of shit prone to throwing tantrum. At that point, it's pick your own interpretation.
Well there also was that time where he told Jessica to cut off her own ear and later didn't remember doing so.

I'm more inclined to believe his parents due to that.
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>>77714795
>superstrength woman needs to smash an unruly customer through her own door that she can't afford to fix to handle him, instead of just grabbing his arms and talking sense into him

There's this thing called a ''character trait'', it's something you normally use to make a character more interesting, not simply one-trait and boring. In most cases, they're flaws to make the character more approachable and human, and not just perfect.

So, when the first scene shows a man getting thrown out a door because he was starting to yell, it's not only shown to the character is crazy strong, but also short-fused and quick to anger.

The main function of that in the narrative, along with Jessica's drinking problem and overral depression, is to give her a really shitty life, fitting the Noir P.I theme, and then making the audience root for her. We want to see her succeed and get out of the rut she's in.

That's the theory, at least.
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>>77709693

This was poorly written. Like it was a bitch who wrote it.
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>>77737952
That took place after he'd already had to spend years using his powers to survive on his own after being abandoned. He could easily have become a delusional maniac in that time.
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>>77737556
I FUCKING FORGOT!!!!!11111one

No one in shield keeping tabs on what is going on in New York?
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>>77737860
No, his powers were working then, that's how he won a million dollars to begin with.
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>>77737960
I just wanna say this show really half assed the noir elements - the monologues never felt very critical to the show and there are virtually no noir visual elements in the show. Seriously so many day time scenes and even lighting it's ridiculous. The only thing that really felt noir was the music
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>>77738013
....noooo, he won the money in a flash back.
he went and got the house after he escaped from jessica, while still under sufentanil.
He TRIED to get the guy to give up his house. He Failed. which is when he brought out the briefcase.
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>>77737860
His powers were working in order to get the money in the first place. Kilgrave was indulging in curiosity by trying to convince the homeowner without using his abilities. He even catches himself from making a direct order when the conversation wasn't going his way.
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>>77737960
The problem is that Jessica's characterization is inconsistent. She's brash, violent and impulsive until the plot needs her not to be. She'll throw a man through a door for getting aggressive with her, but she'll pull her punches when fighting men with taser prods who pose an immediate threat. She'll trash a room and threaten a couple for trying to shoot at her, but she'll pussyfoot around hurting people in conflicts where lives are at stake.

It's clumsy, to say the least, and that's without getting into the way she behaves with Kilgrave.
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>>77720854

A chick did that.
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>>77721426
>introduce annoying bitchy twin sister
>she's the most generic ''audience will hate this bitch every time she's on screen'' character
>seriously, she's a bitch 24/7, it's almost cartoonish
>her childlike innocent brother dies
>adding insult to injury, she gets a really great fucking heartbreaking scene where you feel sympathetic to her
>think ''Shit, they were just playing with out expectations, watch as she gets some redemption and turns into an actual character''
>nope
>her bitchiness only increases
>couple episodes later she's the mastermind behind the most retarded moment in the whole show
>mfw
FUCKING
WHY

Man, this is why I prefer Daredevil. It didn't waste time on this fucking Lannister shit. We don't need another character to hate. Fucking Tennich is here for that.
Fuck this shit, man. Seriously
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>>77720854
He was a subversion of the traditional gung-ho action movie hero
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>>77738123
Nah it's pretty consistent, people can act different in different situations you know.
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>>77738070
Sufentanil is very rapidly redistributed, and has an elimination half life of less than three hours. What Jessica administered is long since gone.
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>>77738070
Wrong. He specifically avoided using his powers when getting the house. Pay attention.
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>>77738107
He got the money before he got dosed.
He got the house after he got dosed. using the money he got earlier.
He asked the guy for his house. the guy said no. Kilgrave has no control over his powers when they're working. he cant turn it off.
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>>77738107
>indulging in curiosity
I thought he was practicing for when he woke have to not give Jessica any orders.
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Wow, this guy wasn't kidding >>77737732 when there are dumbasses like this >>77738200 in this thread
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>>77738200
He didn't make a command. He stopped himself from giving a command.

The other anons are wrong about why

He tells Jessica the purchase was legitimate. He wanted to buy the house without using his powers for Jessica.
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>>77738178
But even for an "irrational" character, they're inappropriate responses for the situations she's in. A character who loses control and gets violent in inconsequential situations and gets less violent in high stakes situation isn't "people acting differently in different situations," it's a character whose impulses are slave to the plot instead of any sensible characterization. It's lazy.
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>>77738260
>a character who doesn't give a shit in inconsequential situations and gives a shit in high stakes situations is lazy writing

You're fucking retarded m8, congrats.
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The characters in the show were inconsistent and poorly characterized, but the difficulty you guys are having in following a plot this straightforward is kinda scary
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>>77736854
>AKA MURDERER
I want this to become a meme.
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>>77738260
Except you're full of shit because she's not acting different. You think she put the guy through the window at full strength? That she was trying to kill him? Please.

The base of your argument is faulty, the rest is unimportant. Jessica pulls her punches even when she's angry.
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>>77738285
>but the difficulty you guys are having in following a plot this straightforward is kinda scary
Morel like completely unsurprising. /co/ has always been extremely fucking retarded, far more than other boards.
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>>77738284
A character with super strength and poor impulse control literally letting herself get beaten up by guys with sun prods is shit writing.
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Is "inconsistent" the latest meme criticism now?

>everyone is inconsistent because I'm too autistic to think that people can't react differently to different situations
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>>77738309
The only alternative was fucking killing innocent people you mong
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>>77737431
Episoe 9 of Jessica Jones: Kilgrave just fucking disappears because SHIELD catches him. JJ spends the 4 remaining episodes just searching for him.
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>it's a Jerry's Divorce episode
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>>77738309
She has low impulse control when it doesn't matter what happens. She knows how serious Kilgrave is, and if you weren't fucking braindead you'd notice Jessica becomes more controlled when deal with Kilgrave'd people in general.

And again, if you weren't a moron you'd notice that Jessica isn't invincible and can be damaged, shot, knocked out, etc. (she's not Luke Cage tier when it comes to taking damage) so why not have stun rods work?

Why am I even arguing with someone as fucking dumb as you?
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>>77738340
How would SHIELD stop him?

Maybe Coulson's zombie brain would make him immune to Kilgrave.
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>>77738158
I agree with all of your greentext.
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>>77738309
She also got taken out by a rando swinging a 2x4 at her head. Tazers seem like par for the course.
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I want to see Jessica and Matt hang out so bad

Maybe work a case together
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>>77738381
SHIELD/Avengers/someone Kilgrave can't control who SHIELD has contact with (once Kilgrave has gotten their attention)

Meh, it was a joke.
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>>77738367
>Jessica Jones is so traumatized by Kilgrave that occasionally she will think of him and have a panic attack, forcing her to repeat street names just to catch her bearings
>Jessica Jones is so impulsive that she routinely breaks things and hurts people when she gets angry
>When confronted with Kilgrave in person, the impulsive and shellshocked Jessica Jones becomes hypercompetent and self-aware in spite of the thought of him rendering her a shaky mess
>Consistent characterization

Kek

I guess I shouldn't have expected more from people who Matt Murdock fucking off for half his series fighting mystical ninjas that have nothing to do with anything related to the plot was good pacing, tee-bee-aych Pham.
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>>77738456
>not playing along with the joke

No-fun anon.
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>>77737438
Why do people think that would work?

His power relies on communication not his voice. He could make you do shit via sign language, or Morse code or writing on a piece of paper.
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>>77738475
(I haven't actually watched AoS, I can't play along with the joke ;_;)
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>>77738472
>what is ptsd
>what is hyperfocus
>look at me I'm fucking retarded and posting on /co/
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>>77738472
You either incredibly dumb, incredibly autistic, or both. Your completely lack the ability to comprehend a character having multiple emotions and reactions so you lash out and blame the show instead of you being an idiotic autist. Please consider suicide.
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>>77738472
>Matt Murdock fucking off for half his series fighting mystical ninjas that have nothing to do with anything related to the plot
Literally what? The only ninja he fought was Nobu. Who was one of the top dogs in Fisk's organization. And the fight lasted for less than half an episode. You're an idiot.
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>>77738507
Watch it man

It ain't Netflix-tier darkness and seriousness but it gets pretty damn good after a while
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>>77738247
"Im used to just saying things and they happen. it spoils you"
"id like to buy your house.
"Its not for sale"
"You are going to..."
"There is one condition. Youll have to have moved out of here by the end of day tomorrow"
Forgive me, but i figured that this exchange was because he could not use his powers. and that the ultimatum was his way of using pressure to get his way because he would otherwise have to wait. i figured he started to use his powers, then stopped because he realized he couldn't, and that telling the guy "you will sell me the house" might hurt the deal, money or no money.
The whole "the purchase was legitimate" line is right up there with "you were truly happy for 18 seconds" line. to me anyway.
>>77738223
insult me all you like, im still more right than you.
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>>77738472
Yeah man, it's just like those actors/singers that have stage fright and in most rehearsals they're shy as fuck and don't sing/dance that well, but when the time comes to actually present, it's like they focus, beat their fear and just fucking make a fantastic performance in front of hundreds.

People are so fucking inconsistent like wtf man, baka
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>>77738550
Except you're completely fucking wrong.
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Okay, firstly let me say that Kilgrave has a point when he says he never told Jessica to murder Reva. It was Jessica's brain that interpreted this as killing her, he could just as easily have meant to render her unconscious.

There was no context to direct her towards killing her, because he'd never told her to kill anyone before.

So basically Jessica is really murderous and just needs a little disinhibition to do it, same as Nuke.
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So when Jessica joked that the NSA would be listening in on a phone call, wouldn't this have been an opportune time for her to joke that SHIELD is listening instead? They're the ones who are monitoring everything in this reality.
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>>77738730
The public doesn't know that shield is still around, they think it was disbanded at the end of TWS.
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>>77738701
Or, people fill in the gap's in Kilgraves more vague commands with the most likely intent, and given Kilgrave's MO it's obviously what he meant.
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Missed opportunities.
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>>77739156
Obviously not since Trish accepted Jessica's assertion that holding a bullet in her mouth fulfilled the command to put a bullet in her head. And there was a time he told someone to screw himself which became messy. If the victims were bound by the spirit rather than the letter of the command, this would make no sense.
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>>77739281
Different scenarios.

With Trish he gave her a command, she tried to fulfill it, but she accepted a secondary version.

With Jones killing Reva there was no secondary version. He told her one thing, he obviously meant to kill her, but later acted like it was her choice to mess with her.
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Just finished the series. Good god how was it so fucking horrible after how good Daredevil was? The thing that's so awful about it is every character is good...except Jessica. Jessica ruins her own show and has some of the worst writing I've ever seen.
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What if the twins' roles had been switched so Ruben is the controlling and poisonously jealous twin and Robin is the helpless doormat twin?
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>>77739334
Nah Jessica was great. You got some shit taste there m8.

>>77739341
Would have been viewed a lot more negatively by people.
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>>77739357
>runs into family with kids
>UGH BREEDERS

She is literally the worst character I've ever seen.
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>>77739357
Jessica is a portrayal of a damaged mindrape survivor who broods all the time, turns away every genuine attempt at honest communication with what she thinks is biting sarcasm, and projects her problems onto others. This does not make her an interesting character to watch, because irrational characters don't make for interesting viewing.
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>>77739440
>>77739450
Thanks for sharing.
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>>77739468
So is this the only reply you're capable of when someone criticizes something you like? Fucking loser.
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>>77739505
>I don't like thing
>I like thing

Definitely worth my time.
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>>77739450
If we're to believe her flashbacks, she was an insufferably emo MUH EMOTIONS drama queen even before Kilgrave.
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>>77739549
>whole family dies
>criticize her for being emotional

Goddamn you people are autistic.
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>>77739575
The family died BECAUSE she was being emotional you idiot. She literally threw a smug tantrum in the back seat and broke a perfectly good Game Boy for no reason other than THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND ME
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>>77739613
>child acts like a child
>I HATE THIS CHARACTER

A U T I S M
U
T
I
S
M
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>>77710870

Stick your fingers down your throat and vomit up that "red pill", /pol/tard.
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>>77739630

I didn't act like that at that age. If I threw a $100+ device at the window and broke it my parents would have beat me. Dad probably sudokud on purpose because his kids were such pieces of shit.
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>>77739658
I'm sure you were the perfect little child, and thus everyone else should be.
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>>77725148
>if his confession is administrable or that he even confesses anything.
Only if she hoped to convince the District Attorney to drop the charges, which is unlikely without major pressure given the DA will already be under pressure to convict her. Dropping the charges will lead to potential backlash from the public.

If the information isn't admissible then, get this, THE COURT WON'T SHOW IT. You aren't allowed to play whatever you want for the jury, you need to have it okayed by the judge. Jessica's hope was that having Old Black Cop Guy™ witness it his testimony would convince the judge to allow it, but that's not a given.

The only reason Jessica was freed was because by the end of the season so much shit had gone down that there were too many witnesses, including a shit load of police officers, who could testify. More than the prosecution could hope to discredit or hope the judge to bar from testifying.
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The problem with Jessica's character is they clearly wanted to write her as STRONK WOMYN but just wrote her as Jessica the Edgehog.

SHE WEARS FINGERLESS GLOVES AND CALLS PEOPLE BREEDERS.

There was literally a line in the show that goes "My one weakness is that sometimes I give a shit."
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>>77739776
Who the fuck let /tv/ in

How about just enjoy the fucking show instead of applying your retarded memes to it
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>>77717894
This. Kilgrave was not only a liar but delusional too. He probably couldnt even keep track of his own bullshit
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>>77718423
>>77718337
Why is daredevil immune?
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>>77739334
What is it people hating Jessica?

Is it because they can't deal with complex gray characters?
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>>77739913
>female character
>isn't perfect
>has some dumb moments like "breeders" thing

Instant recipe for internet whining.
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>>77709693
Why is people giving too much attention to this overly exaggerated porn series? The only decent character is purple man, so who gives a fuck?
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>>77739948
Epic, simply epic
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>>77739913
She has issues.

She is like this really moody black hole that keeps sucking the joy of the people around here.

Now to be fair, she's meant to be that. She's screwed up for very good reasons.

It can still annoy people.
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>>77739948
>this overly exaggerated porn series
Americans everyone.
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>>77739913
>Is it because they can't deal with complex gray characters?
If by complex gray character you mean an abrasively brooding pit of gloom who lashes out at everyone and drags the mood of every scene she's in down, and insults anyone who dares to be in a relationship.
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>>77739792
> DONT CRITICIZE MUH CAPESHIT
> MARVEL CAN DO NO WRONG

The plot and Kilgrave were interesting. The writing and main character were just garbage.
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>>77740037
Someone's been triggered hard.
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>>77740045
Nah they were great.
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>>77739913

Realistic doesn't always make for compelling. A character can be damaged and still interesting and likable. Jessica simply isn't. Trish is a good example of someone damaged with problems who was still a good and enjoyable character.

Jessica was just too edgy for her own good. It wasn't Tony Stark snark it was mean spirited and cringe worthy snark.
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>>77740090
Jessica was perfectly likable in her own grumpy way. u gay.
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>>77740104
>Jessica was perfectly likable in her own grumpy way.
No, Gregory House is perfectly likable in his own grumpy way. Jessica isn't even entertaining in her grumpiness.
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>>77740117
Yeah she was.
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>>77740090
Jess is just a little mean. I didn't find her unlikable at all.
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>>77740104

Not really. There's no redeeming qualities or comeuppance. Nobody ever calls Jessica out on her bullshit and when they DO its undone later. Like Luke or Crackhead telling Jessica she's a shitty person and then changing their minds and helping her later.

The only person who sees Jessica for who she is, the incest sister, is treated as a joke.
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>>77740153

Pfft, bet you're a breeder.
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>>77740194
>redeeming qualities
Yes there are. She clearly has heroic elements buried underneath.

>comeuppance
She's had a shit life, what more do you want?
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>>77739964
Jessica was fine as she was as far as I was concerned. Her anger, her drinking, her hurt, her constant emotional distancing, her panic, and even her bad plans. It's especially fine because we knew this was going to happen due to how it was adapted from the comics. This is post heroic stint Jessica still dealing with the shit Kilgrave put her through. I don't even have a problem that the ultimate solution to Kilgrave was arguably what Jessica should have done from the beginning, which was kill the bastard. Yes her keeping him alive caused more problems, yes the only reason for keeping him alive, Hope, eventually removed herself from the equation specifically to force Jessica to finally end Kilgrave. I can understand Jessica fighting not to keep herself from killing, or even necessarily just to get Hope some kind of happy ending (given everything else that happened to Hope, including her little brother being told she was already dead, this was unlikely), or if Jessica was just desperate to convince herself that she could find a happy ending, any happy ending, for anyone. This was precisely why Kilgrave chose Hope (remember in the beginning when they wondered why he chose her despite her having no powers) and had Hope live out very nearly the same life he had with Jessica. Kilgrave was incredibly manipulative and knew how to force people to do what he wanted even without using his powers (like when Jessica first tried to coax him to provide video documentation of his abilities and she was the one who lost control first). I don't even mind that Jessica's journey really didn't win her anything. She wasn't vindicated, found no peace from her actions, no peace and no healing. She as still a human wreck, only now she found that everyone else who had a problem and no one to turn to was suddenly trying to rely on her. The only thing she has is no mind controller out to ruin her life, but doubtless she'll attract some other enemy.
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>>77740214
Nice meme.
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>>77738158
Did you notice she wore her iphome charger as a necklace? Wtf was wrong with her?
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>series about a generally grumpy and abrasive person trying to deal with being a hero
>people get upset that she's grumpy and abrasive

You people are retarded. There are a million stories where you get your happy super likable main characters, go watch those.
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>>77740280
Comic book fans were NEVER going to be able to handle a serious narrative about a rape survivor.
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>>77740220

Yes but the problem with having a shit life was that it was all before we met her and largely unseen.

So even though she has a reason we don't relate and sympathize as much as we would have if we made the journey.

OUR Jessica is just a cunt.

And she has zero heroic qualities she acts like every other human would in any situation. Actually she usually acts worse and more selfish.
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>>77729525
It would've made him a helluva lot easier to handle.
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>>77740280

I done mind grumpy and abrasive. I just mind when it's written terribly.

And really grumpy and abrasive aren't likable characteristics in people. So when that's all a character has why are you surprised?
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>>77729525
Break his fingers too, then, right?
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She has to be the weakest superstrength hero I have ever seen, and that is by far the worst part of the show.

You can't have a superhero show and be this inconsistent with the powers. I am on episode 7 now and from what I have read, it just keeps getting worse until the end.
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>>77740329
It's not even aggravating reading a thread full of people calling a rape victim "selfish" or "impulsive" or a bitch anymore, it's just... disappointing. I just really hope none of these people have any relatives or friends who are dealing with trauma caused by sexual violence.
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>>77740351
>saving people
>not heroic
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>>77740351
>we don't relate

You don't relate. I do.
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>>77740329
I'm assuming you meant comic book fanBOYS, right?

Nevermind that it's totally understandable for comic book fans to be a bit miffed that Jess doesn't share more traits with her 616 incarnation.
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>>77740399
It's not just that she's abrasive, she's damaged goods after all, it's that her chief antagonist is a mind controller. That's why she spent so much time pushing people away, especially potential allies. They could get hurt or they could be used against her.

Jessica was personally isolated, both by her PTSD, and to protect herself from a very real threat. It's another reason she drank to excess. She was someone who cared but who couldn't risk caring, not just because of her emotional baggage but because she just couldn't risk it at all. A few times she risked it and she paid. Some people just had to like her, like the idiot brother, and he paid for that.

Jessica as the only focus in the show many not work, or it might - mileage will vary depending on personal preference, but the rest of the cast and especially the villain certainly helped. Tennant did a marvelous job as a compelling piece of shit.
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>>77740351
Largely unseen? Who gives a shit? We can see her living conditions and we soon find out what horrible shit has happened to her. Use your brain to figure it out.

>zero heroic qualities
Wrong.

>Actually she usually acts worse and more selfish.
Yeah, resisting the urge to kill the man who caused her so much pain because she wants to help another person sure is selfish.
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>>77740466
>her 616 incarnation
>not also an asshole
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>>77740417

It's even worse after Daredevil where there was serious precision martial arts badassdom going on and then every fight in Jessica Jones was grabbing someone and throwing them at things.
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>>77740433
Oh please, Jessica was unlikable person even before Killgrave. All Kilgrave gave her was PTSD.
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>>77740399
She's written just fine.

>>77740480
It's almost like there aren't martial arts experts in this show ...
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>>77740478
>not just an asshole
Yes.
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>>77740486
What, all 3 minutes we see pre-Killgrave, post-teenager? Yeah that's a lot to judge off of.
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>>77739891
He's blind.
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>>77723348
Can you clarify what you mean by grrl power moments?
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>>77740480
If she tried anything else she's liable to kill someone. That's why she isn't outright wrecking people.
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>>77740433

Eh she's a cunt. Malcolm, that was his name right, was a drug addict who was hooked by force because of Kilgrave and Jessica shit on him and called him weak then tempted him with drugs and left him there. She also shat on other Kilgrave survivors because their problems werent As bad As hers. Then she shat on incest sister while she was in grief and threw her fliers in the gutter.

Going through trauma isn't an excuse to act like a cunt. Don't know why you tumblrtards don't understand that. You don't just get a blank check to do whatever you want because you were raped.
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>Bawww Jessica isn't likable!
She's not supposed to be, cocksleeve. Her biggest character trait is that she reflexively pushes people away.
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>>77740513
TV Jess is more complex than just that.
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>>77740476
> wants to help

It was outright confirmed she felt guilty and needed redemption through Hope.
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>>77740496
Hate to break it to ya, you aren't Kilgrave. Your word isn't God.
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>>77740546
Hate to break it to ya, you aren't Kilgrave. Your word isn't God.
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>>77740525
The fliers were useless why would she keep them?

A character being mean doesn't overwrite everything else they do anyway.
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>>77740496
>>77740523

You can still have variety in fight scenes. Have some damn imagination.
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>>77718859
That could have been interesting. When Malcolm first showed up I wondered if it was possible that someone could be so fucked up on drugs that Kilgrave couldn't control them. Obviously that was not the case.

But it is interesting. Could psychedelic drug screw up with Kilgrave's control? Or someone who is just completely insane and couldn't process his commands rationally anyway? Sadly we can never propose a test for science.
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>>77740544
Why not both?

>>77740569
>the same people fight the same way multiple times

Shocker.
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>>77740569
The Luke Cage and Nuke fights were great and they're really the only ones that really mattered.
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>>77740433
She literally threw a tantrum over WAAH THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WITH PROBLEMS WORSE THAN MINE WHY CAN'T I BE THE BIGGEST VICTIM
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>>77740590
Only one throwing a tantrum here is you.
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>>77740523
>>77740532
>>77740538
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>>77740570
>Nuke goes so fucking nuts on his pills that he becomes immune to Kilgrave.
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>>77740564
> her brother is dead because of you
> in distress because she doesn't know what happened and doesn't know fliers won't help
> chucks them in the gutter and walks away

Oh fuck off. This whole I CANT BE NICE AND LET PEOPLE IN bs only goes so far. Would it have really hurt to just keep them at LEAST until she was out of sight?
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>>77740604
U ok pal?
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>>77740525
>She also shat on other Kilgrave survivors because their problems werent As bad As hers.
If that support group was actually helpeful to her Kilgrave would have just had them murdered. Hell, he almost took out most of their group - when they accidentally SAVED him from Jessica.

Which rather bugged me that none of the people who fucked that up ended up having to apologize for it. The sister still acted like a bitch and it was her bitchiness that almost got her and the others killed and let Kilgrave loose again - and contributed to Hope committing suicide. Coat guy and child abandon dude never got the bitch slapping they earned from their actions. Twisted Sister gets a pass since she's frankly insane.
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>>77740599

Great rebuttal.

Why is every conversation in this thread
> criticism of Jessica
> meme reply/NO ACTUALLY NO

I mean people justifying her because she was raped is bad but at least they're participating in the discussion.
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>female character is rough, mean, stubborn
>CUNT CUNT CUNT SHIT CHARACTER SHIT WRITING CUNT CUNT CUNT

So predictable.
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>>77740607
Better to have her do some actual assholeish things than just whitewash her.
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>>77740639
A male character who acted the same way would be equally ridiculed as a self important edgelord, you idiot.
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>>77740638
Why is every criticism basically "bawww why is she so mean?".

Have you not seen enough shows where people aren't nice?
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>>77740638
Because your criticisms are basically "why is this asshole character acting like an asshole". Go watch something else. No one gives a shit if you don't like this type of character.
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>>77740639
> character has only unlikable traits
> people react accordingly

WOOOOOOOAH

The mom was an irredeemable cunt as well.

Jerry was a complex cunt with redeemable qualities.

Kilgrave was a complex and charismatic cunt who was hard to hate.

Jessica just seems to have literally been written to be unlikable...which is fine if they're not the main character that the entire show revolves around.
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Why does Jessica need to prove that mind control is possible when the past 2 Avengers movies dealt with it?
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>>77740677
Giant assholes like Wolverine and Batman have a gorillion fans. Edgelords like Punisher are a thousand times worse and yet people are hard over his appearance in Daredevil.

Walter White was a piece of shit but people loved him and got buttmad at his wife kek.
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Jessica is supposed to be an asshole who pushes everyone away because let's face it she has multiple issues which start even before Killgrave got his hands on her.

The problem is she's not an entertaining asshole, so I can see why some people don't like her.

On the flipside, Killgrave is completely horrible but people like him because he may be a sociopathic murdering asshole but he is an entertaining sociopathic murdering asshole.
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>>77740681
>>77740685

Nobody is asking why. People are just saying she's an unlikable cunt which is met with SHE'S A RAPE SURVIVOR YOU SHITLORD MENINIST.
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>>77740695
Because those instances were most likely hidden from the public eye. Obviously some people would know about them but it wouldn't be common knowledge.
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>>77740694
>Jeri has more redeemable qualities than the character that specifically saves the lives of a bunch of people.

Thinking all of Jess' traits are unlikable is your problem pal.
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>>77740730
Holy fucking shit we get it, you don't like her. Shut the fuck up. No one cares.
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This thread is literally /tv/ tier.

>cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt

I didn't think /co/ would be this shitty a place to discuss the show.
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>>77740747

People will save other people if it's within their ability. I don't see why she should be commended for this. By and large the human race doesn't like seeing people die in front of them what a shocker.
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>>77740780
Why? This is still 4chan. You're lucky most of the BLACKED meme posters get told to fuck off quite often.
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>>77740780

I /co/ was actually /tumblr/ where people get triggered by a curse word.
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>>77740794
You could say that about every hero.

>humanity is altruistic in general get rekt heroes u ain't shit.
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>>77740795
Because every other TV discussion I've been a a part of here has actually been reasonable and fun. This is just shit flinging.
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>>77740619
Not with you shitting up the board with all the South Park "safe space" crap.
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>>77740252
>her iphone charger
Nigga it was her twin brother's, he ordered that shit online? Remember? They had an argument about which type of shipping to get?
She was wearing it because it was his. And he was gone.
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>>77740850
That moment actually got to me. There's also something about the "character dies and other character mentions small and unimportant that didn't happen before they died" thing that hits harder than anything else.
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>>77740847
What the fuck do any of those posts have to do with a safe space? Can you read?
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>>77740823

You absolutely could. My point is most characters have more redeeming qualities than "would stop someone from dying if they were right in front of their face."

Donald Trump wouldn't sit there and watch a Mexican woman hang until she died. Doesn't mean he's not a selfish cunt.
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>>77740878
>Donald Trump wouldn't sit there and watch a Mexican woman hang until she died.
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>>77740878
I liked Jess' other traits. Like her competence at being a PI, her stubbornness, her self destructiveness was also interesting though of course not as well down as in better shows like Mad Men.

Her friendship with Trish was cool.
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>>77740878
The people ITT are morons for trying to convince you to like someone.

You're a moron for not understanding Jessica's incredibly simple characterization.

You don't have to like a character for it to be a good character or protagonist.

This entire argument is garbage
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>>77740941

You think so? Her friendship with Trish kinda bothered me. I hated how they had the whole don't save me line and then the entire show was about Trish being weak and Jessica had to save her every time. It felt like they were trying to set up a moment for her but then she was dismantled by something every time and needed Jessica to swoop in and save the day or tell her to stay behind.
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>>77740702
>Edgelords like Punisher are a thousand times worse
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>>77740974

I mean that's true but typically if you're going to spend 13 hours with someone you either want to like them or see them get their shit pushed in.

In this the unlikable one pushed the shit of the likable one in.

Good night sweet purple prince.
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>77740989
I think the virtue in Trish's case (and in many of the chars) is that she kept trying and kept going despite all the setbacks.
And yes, Jessica is her enabler/encourager, through the power of friendship/love.
It's the char set-up, shown with the whole situation with Trish's mom when they were kids.
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>>77740989
Except Trish saved her from Simpson and nearly died in the process.
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>>77740989
Her build up was to saving Jess from Nuke
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>>77741095
>>77741115

You mean the fight Jessica with broken ribs took over and finished? The one where Trish then collapsed and almost died if it weren't for Jessica.

Yeah that was kinda my point.
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>>77741158
You mean the one that Trish helped turn around? And Trish almost died to be the hero for once, like I just said?

Yeah that was kinda my point.
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>>77741178

Did you completely ignore my initial point?

I know Trish tried to play hero. My point was that even when Trish tries SOMETHING happens that then requires Jessica to save the day or just generally make Trish look like a fool after looking competent.
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>>77741158
Hey man when ur a normie up against two Cap level metas there's only so much you can do. I like that facet of their relationship. Trish is more emotionally OK and healthy but much weaker physically. That's a standard nerd/jock friend dynamic but more about health than outright smarts.
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>>77740898
I just don't understand why hating criminals is racist now.
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>>77741158
>>77741178
Both of your points are legit tho. It's just that the first guy doesn't like her arc. Like so many of the complaints about this show here it comes down to 'I don't like it fuck you' 'Well you're a fag let's fight' 'Ok dick"

At least it's better than the people who literally can't follow the plot.
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>>77741213
So what? Jess is the main hero, not Trish. They gave Trish a moment where it was the thought that counts more than anything, she's not suddenly gonna take over Jessica's role.

Think more about what it meant for Trish to almost die trying to be Jessica's hero for once (instead of the other way around), rather than how successful she was.
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>>77741213
Trish was a child actress who was sheltered and abused by her mother and protected by Jessica.

She wanted to be strong and wanted to be proactive (the way she views jessica) but she's not. That's her character.
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>>77740758
Except you, apparently.
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>>77741268
12-year old tier response, congrats.
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>>77741266

Yeah I was just saying I dislike that. It's a non-arc.
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>>77741292
She still succeeded though. She saved Jess and ran interference so Jess could come in later and kick ass.

Solid support role. Good friend.
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I think it's just timing that makes Jessica's character so awful.

Cringey Shadow the Hedgehog characters aren't all the rage anymore. We laugh at and mock edgy characters from the 90s. We're in an age of like...snarky camp in our characters.

But Jessica is totally 90s edge with her leather jacket, aviators and fingerless gloves.

She doesn't feel like a real person she feels like a caricature. She written that way too. Her lines actually made me laugh multiple times and they weren't supposed to be comedic.
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>>77741292
Trish went through her arc before the show started. Her arc was breaking free of her mother.
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I liked Jessica. Yeah she was mean and abrasive but that's her character, and she has those classic "heart of gold" moments sprinkled throughout, but not too much as to be cheesy. Life dealt her a shitty hand more than once, so I understand her being a dick. But her stubborness was endearing and her push towards being more a hero despite everything was enjoyable to watch. Her interactions with Trish, Hogarth and Kilgrave were all great. I liked her with Luke but even though it was sort of understandable, I'm not a big fan of "hide the truth from people until it's too late" stories. But it's understandable for her character, so I don't hate her for it.

Also I think the actress is cute.
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>>77741363

But that was Jessica too...

She didn't break free Jessica threatened her mother to stay away
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>>77741350
Why are you fixating on random shit like her gloves. You sound ridiculously autistic, and you keep forcing this "edgy" shit. Get off 4chan for once in your life.
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>>77741380
I think the actress is basically a plank of wood, which is why she came across to some as a cunt and not a damaged softie actively pushing people away
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Just finished watching, enjoyed it just as much as Daredevil. Lost my shit when I realised they'd integrated Nuke of all characters so well into the storyline.

Patsy's Hannah-Montanna-style past was so bizarrely fitting. Also Luke Cage was perfect.

Interesting how just like Kingpin, they extrapolated Killgrave into being a warped manchild, but it was just right. Tennant made for tense viewing.

>>77711484

Worth the wait for that sweet glimpse of purple.
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>>77741405

Why are you so triggered? I just offered an opinion with no insults. And fingerless gloves are known douchewear. They're like fedora for your fingers.
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>>77741416

Something about the way she delivers he lines made me hate her. She has this sarcastic spaced out look I want to punch
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>>77741439
Why are you so triggered? I just pointed how autistic you sound.

>fedora meme

Back to Reddit with you.
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>>77741403
Initially. We're told there have been other conftontations.

She also got her own place, her own show, took over her whole career, started taking krav maga, etc.

Trish changed a lot from the flashbacks. Her arc isn't shown because it's not her show.
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>>77741416
Nah she's great. I saw an interview and she's not anything like JJ, made her acting in the show more impressive to me. And she's not supposed to be a "damaged softie".
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>>77737082

That was all they needed. They didn't need to convict Kilgrave. Just prove to a jury that he really had mindcontrol powers so that using it would be a believable defense.
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>>77741224
Because it hurts the feeling of a sheltered white hipster or something.
It's comblr, just roll with it.
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>>77741482
Her only weakness is that she cares anon.

She is antisocial out of illness and paranoia, not choice.
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>>77740702
You have no idea what you're talking about you daft cunt.
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>>77741283
You thought yours merited anything more?
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>>77741517
Autism: The Post
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>>77741416
see i think making her a damaged softie would have been way easier and more boring.

i liked that her heart of gold was a bit deeper.
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>>77741528
no u
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>>77741548
Being incredibly damaged doesn't change her character archetype
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>>77741534
Anon please, think of xir feelings!
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>>77738200

He was just testing to see how his commands work. "I'm interested in buying your house" isn't an order so the guy was free to refuse. If he said "You will sell me your house" then he'd have done it but Kilgrave stopped himself from saying that.
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>>77741594
i wasn't saying it did. i just prefer the archetype when the heart of gold is deeper and the character is actually a prick not just a surface level one.
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>>77741422
Me and my room-mate were trying to work out who Simpson was the minute he started sticking around, neither of us got it, so when
>give me a red
dropped we completely lost our shit.
I can imagine many people went through the same thing, that was a fun reveal.
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>>77738487

I dunno. I mean he wrote "help me" on the glass and nobody helped him. And how can he command people by lip reading when lip reading is a skill you have to learn. Same with morse code and sign language.

Heck what if you don't understand English.
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>>77741678
same here. i was like

>why is this minor victim suddenly a full on supporting character?

then that >give me a red happened and it was the hypest shit ever.

even better than

>sweet christmas
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>>77741534
>still replying

Why you so triggered?
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>>77741697
wasnt the room he got sealed airproof or did the virus make it out somehow.
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>>77741755
Airproof.
How exactly the virus works is unknown (does it activate at the moment when he gives you a command and is that the 12 hour countdown start, or does it start when you first enter his area of effect) but he was probably in there for longer than 12 hours after they caught him anyway.
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>>77741755
>>77741697
Room was airtight, his virus is airborne.

They said by the end he could control you if you looked at his face (once they injected his fetus smoothie in his neck)
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>>77718481

>deaf sniper

"Alpha 1, take the shot."
*nothing happens*
"Take the shot Alpha 1, I repeat, take the shot."
*Kilgrave walks away unharmed*
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>>77741678
>>77741727

>yfw "my boys"
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>>77741852
Watching out for stars and stripes imagery became a thing. Obv the lighter, but when Nuke goes to fight the girls the window shades make stripes, and then when Trish is in the hospital after the shades make her face stripey and she has stars on her gown.
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>>77741816
They really didn't think outside the box when trying to find ways to combat Kilgrave, An airtight room is one thing, but they never tried personal protective measures like gas masks or hazmat gear, both of which could have been acquired through army surplus stores, just ordering them online, or nicked from civil authorities, etc.

But then they didn't really explain how his virus worked anyway. Breathe it in? Passes through skin? They especially didn't explain once they upped the ante and his powers were boosted.
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>>77741224
It's much easier to hate human beings when you call them "criminals."
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>>77741224
Because it's "problematic", especially if it's a non-white.
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Anyone else bummed Jessica so immediately threw out the idea of redeeming Kilgrave?

Showing him how to do good was such a fascinating dynamic.
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>>77742952
>implying he can be redeemed
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>>77740236
>Text wall

No.
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>>77743056
Yes.
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>>77742998

Well that's the point isn't it.

And considering his genuine reaction to saving those people and his mother I'd say it may have been possible
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>>77742952
The scene where he forces her neighbor to blow up simpson is supposed to illustrate that Kilgrave is a bastard at heart who will not and cannot change.

He was playing that angle because it was a shot at them being together that actually might work.
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>>77743168
Nah m8

He was either just messing with Jessica, enjoying a different form of control over people or just enjoying the new experience in general. Or a combination.
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>>77709693
funny to see that the time between liking one of the Marvel Netflix shows and then hating it is getting smaller after every one. DD we had a bit over a week, Jessica is just under a week before all we saw was /co complaining about it. Luke will be lucky to get 2-3 days before people bitch and poor Iron Fist is gonna hear bitching the day after it's out.
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>>77731322
I can sympathize and even empathize the experimentation and pain that he went through as a kid, but at some point you have to be responsible for your actions.

But then again, nurture is a powerful factor in one's psyche.

Say you were kidnapped by a child molester as a little kid and repeatedly raped and abused. Nobody came to rescue you and you eventually develop Stockholm Syndrome and treat your captor as a parent. In turn, you're raised to prey on young children as well because it's what you were conditioned to do by a sick bastard.

I highly doubt anyone here has the strength of will to "do the right thing" and let go of years of horrific suffering and brainwashing like that.
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>>77743366
this pattern really irks me. Seems like people think that if they're the first to start complaining then they're the most logical
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>>77743366
People will be bitching about Luke Cage day 0 because he's blacker than black
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>>77743447
Progress is made by the contrary, so people think if they're contrary they're the forefront of progress but really they're just dumb.
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>>77736832
They could just make the first two episodes of Defenders devoted to putting the team together.
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>>77743366
>>77743447
>>77743629
>Waaah, people don't hivemind my opinion! You're all just contrarians!

Did you ever stop think that that these people show up when they do so that their opinions won't be drowned out by the "OMG SO GOOD SO HYPE" crowd?
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>>77744083
Contrarian detected.

Did you ever stop to think that no one gives a shit, nerd.
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>people complaining that the Avengers or Shield would have stopped Kilgrave easily and instantly

There's an episode of one of the animated series where Purple Man takes over the entire world simply by having Tony Stark under his control.
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>>77744124
Yeah but Coulson is cooler.
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>>77717864
Soldiers with earplugs
Soldiers who don't speak/understand english
Deaf soldiers
Hell, he's not even that physically overbearing, a deaf civilian could apprehend him.
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>>77718209
Iron Man suits are airtight, meaning Kilgrave's virus couldn't get in. They don't even need to silence him, his voice wouldn't work on Tony or Rhodes
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>>77744116
At least it's more constructive than multiple posters espousing how great and perfect and brilliant everything was.
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>>77744612
>IT STINKS IT STINKS IT STINKS
>constructive
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>>77744655

But it's actually been discussion about the poor writing and whether Jessica I'd a good character or not
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>>77744877
Saying "the writing is shit" and "cunt" 400 times is not a "discussion"
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>>77744952
> still getting triggered by the word cunt
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>>77745052
>still getting triggered by someone pointing out how retarded you are
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>>77743311
>just enjoying the new experience in general

this.

it's like when Joker goes all Oberon Sexton. He's doing it because its fun.
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