>"I think [Thor 3] needs to be injected with that sort of smart wit and unexpected kind of humor, kind of what James Gunn came in and did with Guardians [Of The Galaxy]. It was like off center and unpredictable, and I think we can definitely use a dose of that, you know?"
>"I feel we had less of the sort of the naivety or fun or humor that the first [Thor] might have had. I wish we had more of that in the second [movie] … We’ve done regal. We’ve done Shakespeare, and we’ve shown that. I think now it’s time to go, 'Ok, cool. Let’s try something different,' and Taika just had such a brilliant sort of take and funny kind of ideas about where we could [go], how we could do that."
In B4 Marvelfags claim the MCU is anything more than a quippy gag factory with the depth of a wading pool.
"B-but Winter Soldier was a tense political thriller!"
>people think TWS is a serious political thriller
Anyway Thor movies are shit. Next Thor movie will probably follow in that tradition. That's not really a surprise at this point.
>Jason Aaron's thor
>Captain Planet's too cheesy for tv archnemis
>Idiot raging Misogynist Stalin Odin
Keep that shit as far away from the MCU as possible, please.
The difference with that is This is the End was taking a frequently-used setting the audience was familiar with and played around with well-established tropes of that genre. There is no Ragnarok genre of films, so the movie can't use the same approach.
>Has Marvel been taken over by people that don't read Marvel?
The movie people probably read more comics than the comic writers at this point though. I mean this is just Hemsworth. He's just a mediocre actor with a great body. The actors don't need to know the comics.
>funny and comedic
Fuck this and fuck Marvel. They proved they could do more serious stuff pretty well with Winter Soldier and Daredevil, why do they insist on making 95% of their movies into quippy shitfests? Thor 3 could've been great as a dark fantasy movie, instead they choose the safe and boring comedic shit we've come to expect from the franchise.
I really dug Thor 1. I haven't seen Thor 2 but I hear it's nothing like what I was hoping it'd be: a family drama where Asgard is weakened from the destruction of the bifrost, the Dark Elves are pressing their advantage, and instead of being the good son Odin needs of him Thor is fucking off to Earth to protect Jane Foster from being mugged 'n shit.
If there's a series where politics and royal bloodlines and gravitas shit could work, it's Thor, but my hopes are being dashed to all but nothing right now.
For those not in the loop, the Gorr "masterpiece" can be summed up as
>guy lives on a shit planet, blames gods for it being so shit
>finds a weapon for killing gods
>proceeds to kill gods
>beats up Thor
>makes Thor his bitch for millions of years
>Thor eventually hits him with TWO hammers because of time travel, and that's enough to beat the godkilling god who is also a god now. Take that, athiests!
The art was absolutely beautiful, there's no question about that. But Aaron has always been complete shit on Thor.
>We’ve done regal. We’ve done Shakespeare, and we’ve shown that. I think now it’s time to go, 'Ok, cool. Let’s try something different,'
No, no you guys haven't. You haven't gotten anywhere fucking near a serious tragedy or drama. You're making a movie about the god damn apocalypse, it should not be a quirky ensemble comedy.
I'm starting to think GotG might be the worst thing to happen to the MCU. After Cap 2, I was hoping we'd get some more variety when it comes to the tone of these movies, but after the success of Guardians is seems Marvel just wants to play it safe and lighhearted forever.
Even worse, the whole "le ooga chaka XD" shitty humor is leaking in the comics too.
This is actually false. It might have started out as such in the first two issues or so, but utterly falls apart the moment God Butcher ends and it transitions to God Bomb.
Aaron's set-up of telling an overarching story utilizing multiple periods in Thor's life is a really good idea, and Ribic was the perfect artist for it. The problem is that the premise proved too difficult for Aaron to write, resulting in him very quickly utilizing a deus ex machina time travel pool to throw all the Thors together in a horribly decompressed end arc that botched the entire concept he started out with.
It just isn't well written by any means. The initial promise was totally dashed through the author's inability to work with what he set up. A more robust author could make such a premise work and I hope one does some day, but the whole Gorr saga as it stands is a very fine example of a writer biting off far more than they can chew.
Who the FUCK thinks comedy when making a movie that deals with THE END OF ALL GODDAMN FUCKING THINGS?
>Not Making it a no holds bar full out slug fest between Thor and His Robot Clone, something Manly well can all love and something along the lines of Winter Soldier.
COME ON MARVEL WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!!!
It's not appropriate when the plot is about the end of the world.
And tedious when every single movie has the same lighthearted tone. Without tension, it becomes hard to care about the characters.
> Just finished Jessica Jones
> Loved it
> get high hopes for the eventual Defenders
> see this
> hope for Avengers related films crumbles.
You know something's fucked when you care more for the C-list heroes like JJ and Luke. I honestly want to see the Defenders do shit before I see another Avengers movie.
I feel like I was the only person on /co/ who was actually willing to give Feige the benefit of the doubt and develop expectations for this movie.
Every bit of news we've since heard about it has been like a dagger driven into my heart, inch by inch.
I'm ready to give up on it, /co/. You were right.
You all will consider me a DC fag but I'm really excited to see what the DCEU does, especially when they manage to find the balance between dark moments and comedy elements in their movies that marvel hasn't been able to achieve. Basically we'll be getting the best comic book movies ever. Love always wins.
Aren't you glad that that mean ol' Perlmutter and that pesky creative council is gone?
Jokes good! Villains bad!
>implying they'd actually go deep enough to use Jormungand
They're using Hulk instead of a good 3-5 Thor characters that would fill the exact same role. Shit at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even include Surtur.
>You know something's fucked when you care more for the C-list heroes like JJ and Luke
What do you mean by this? This is generally how things always are. Lemme guess, don't read comics?
>You know something's fucked when you care more for the C-list heroes like JJ and Luke
It's almost like in the actual comics. Everything big gets meddled with so much it all ends up bland garbage at best and the only actually cool stuff is found in oddball writers writing oddball characters.
Thing is, I think Marvel achieved that pretty damn well with Cap 2. It had dark moments, but also parts of levity and hope to keep it from being too grim.
Seems like it was just a fluke though.
> especially when they manage to find the balance between dark moments and comedy elements in their movies that marvel hasn't been able to achieve
Green Lantern was MCU-lite and MoS was a lot of things, but balancing comedy and drama successfully was not it. And now we've got the director of Fury and the director of Monster doing the next films.
Something tells me "balanced" isn't on the menu here. You've got one extreme or the other.
Yeah all Thor movies should be super serious LotR in spaaace, you're absolutely right
You know why they made Antman more of an overt comedy than even the other MCU movies? Because Antman is a ridiculous power set. In the same way, most people think alien viking gods are a ridiculous concept.
Pff. If anything Marvel's the safest of the bunch. People gravitate towards brands, and they're the biggest. WB and Fox are the ones who'll have to pack it in with the cape flicks sooner, just like Sony before them.
>that feel when you are right anon.
I...I just want something action packed and story driven...is it to much to ask, looks like now a days it is.
>resulting in him very quickly utilizing a deus ex machina time travel pool to throw all the Thors together in a horribly decompressed end arc that botched the entire concept he started out with.
This is all fucking lies. Decompressed is a good thing, The end should not fucking be rushed.
Nothing wrong with the time travel aspect whatsoefuckingever.
Lol people are really butthurt about the DCEU comment, people I'm not a marvel fan (except for Spidey and Daredevil), I've heard so many great things about Thor as a character and it just sucks to see so much potential go to waste now that Marvel is Disney's bitch.
I've seen how competitive Marvel can be with serious stories like Daredevil, JJ, Spidey comics
But it's the sheer fact that THEY DONT WANT TO. their fine with shitting on their characters potential as long as it gets them a quick buck and it's sad really.
I trusted Chris Yost to not write a quiptastic comedy and he did. Too bad the higher ups were immediately afraid of the script and are now doing everything to diminish the effects of it.
Not really because when there are others offering a good difference in a similar product, you might see the brand youre used to isnt so great like you thought.
The Nolan trilogy man bank and i dont believe it was Batman but how different it was from the other caoe movie that came out around the same time.
>Let's throw in a time-travel pool at the end of this six-issue arc because I can't figure out a way to resolve this in distinct separate time periods!
>And let's have the overwhelming majority of the second half of the story be two Thors standing around talking without much action at all until the last issues
>This is good pacing!
Like dude, I get that Marvel Now was a jumping-on point for a lot of people but just because it was one of your first books doesn't mean you should be blind to it's faults. It's a wide medium, you should look around.
>In B4 Marvelfags claim the MCU is anything more than a quippy gag factory with the depth of a wading pool.
You say that as if one exclude the other.
Also, nothing wrong with quips.
Thor 1 was directed by a Shakespeare guy. There were verbose shouting matches in regal halls and angst over parentage and old men having heart attacks.
Chris just so happens to be forgetting that was only, like, 10% of the movie.
It's happened so many times I'm surprised that people never learn.
>>Let's throw in a time-travel pool at the end of this six-issue arc because I can't figure out a way to resolve this in distinct separate time periods!
He never said or promised they would be resolved separately, their is nothing flawed with the path he took.
>>And let's have the overwhelming majority of the second half of the story be two Thors standing around talking without much action at all until the last issues
Their is plenty of action and the banter between the Thor's was actually good.
I started getting comics in 2006, But I have read plenty of older runs. Marvel Now was 2013/14.
Not gonna happen. Civil War will make a shitton of money and you're delusional if you think otherwise.
RDJ, Spidey, casual magnet CW storyline, there's no way in hell it will flop. That piece of shit Iron Man 3 made over a billion, it's not like viewers care if the movie is bad or good.
>especially when they manage to find the balance between dark moments and comedy elements in their movies
You're describing Fox.
DC's still rolling all their film through muddy puddles, don't get your hopes up for any "balance" to be struck by them.
>People pledging loyalty to comic book publishers and fighting for them no matter what they do
No, what your clearly trying to do is if someone doesn't like a marvel movie then they shouldn't like a DC movie either because it's "not fair" or something, but so far I think WB/DC is doing pretty good but I'll admit some stuff they've done is questionable but not enough to make me super cautious and hesitant like Marvel.
I will when they DO good, instead of trotting out utter shite.
Though seriously. It's like people don't enjoy fun anymore.
>get to see MCU movie one week early
what a nice movie, can't wait to talk about it next week with the rest of the board
>next week happens
>lots of people hate it
That has been me for IM3, Thor 2 and Avengers 2.
Though for avengers 2, I was expecting it more because everyone was in a "I hate Joss whedon" mood already, but I still didn't expect internet feminist to complain about Black Widow, especially has their complain are either baseless or even in contradiction with the movie.
Not the anon you are talking to, but So far, DC has only put out one movie in their new DCCU and people are very ivided about it.
Though so far, BMvsSM as well as Suicide Squad look both promising.
>especially when they manage to find the balance between dark moments and comedy elements in their movies that marvel hasn't been able to achieve.
When that happens it will be a point. Until then, keep holding onto this.
THIS. BASED ANON.
The art direction was shit too.
I hate that this is actually true.
Well, either that, or just keep him off of Earth. Thor should be off doing nine realms shit, not in Arizona with a "We're pretending we hired her for her comedy skills" Kat Dennings.
I wouldn't even call it real world, because they waffled as to the realism for what fit any given scene.
QUIP THAT SHIT UP BRAH
>le comedy of thunder
When will Marvel take Thor seriously?
I used that metaphor for a specific reason.
See, a guy with a five pound brain tumor? He's fucked, yes, but he'd make a great organ donor. His lungs and kidneys and liver and heart can still be used.
Man of Steel is the same way. The writing is so terrible that the movie can't be salvaged, but the actors, the soundtrack, even the art direction, those aren't necessarily bad. They could (potentially) be used to great effect in other projects.
So instead of a mediocre writer with a bunch of works to his name of varying qualities, I'm supposed to get hyped by a writer that's done ONE thing of note that isn't even in the same genre?
No, you won't see me in March. You'll see me six months after that when the blu-ray torrents are up for download.
Well, about that, I have watched the first 3 episode of Flash (never watched Arrow), and I am not too keen on it does it get better. I can tell it has heart but the writing of the dialogue tend to be, I don't know how to describe it, but I'd say artificial. The characters seems a bit too clean out of the mold and it sometimes feel like generic drama pasted on a super hero setting.
I mean, just on the second episode, professor Wheelchair just pop up to clap that doctor, make a snide remark and then goes away. what was the point of that?
The reactions of the people to the supernatural seem sometimes like an amteurish play. I am sorry, I am not good at expressing why something please or don't please me, I just can tell when it work and doesn't. And with those 3 episode I had a regular feeling of how I felt from time to time with Season 1 of SHEILD. And it's a feeling of immersion breaking I never had while watching MCU movies.
Does it get better? Is there an improvement with the Flash episodes? thanks.
>Ragnarok is releasing the same year as Wonder Woman
this gon b gud
Not really. I just watch the movies once and I am good with that.
What the executives and corporations love are the people who go see the movies several times, buy the DVDs, buy the toys and figurine and derived products and make youtube videos about it.
I am just someone who enjoy stuffs.
I can see it now. Fangirls flock to Thor for a shirtless Hemsworth and their bae Loki, then go home and complain about how no one is seeing Wonder Woman because of the sexist patriarchy.
There is comedy with Thor comics, though.
I mean, people seems to only remember the humor, but I also enjoyed it for the drama. Thor 2 is the movie that flesh out best Thor and Loki's relationship.
>yfw Thor 3 will be an inverted Iron Man 3
>Increasing comedy as a solution to Marvel's worst film franchise being shit
Yeah more laughs is why people didn't enjoy Thor. It's because the plots and villains are shit and none of the actors want to be there. See Elba or Hopkins.
And now I've given up on the mcu
Based fox and dc will demolish mcu next year, it's not even funny.
These two studios just put out more memorable films.
Okay, and? Destroyer's literally an object, not a major antagonist. It looked like it did in the comics and blew shit up; that's as good as it gets.
If Surtur gets used as a lackey or patsy (presuming he gets used at all) you'll have a case.
Marvel studios has put out zero great or meaningful movies
WB has TDK, Superman 1, 2 and Batman 1989
Fox has 3 Xmen movies and DD DC is wonderful
Sony has 2 spiderman movies
Marvel has nothing on par with those, nothing that even tried
>Why did /co/ shit on DOFP when it came out?
I like DoFP but its pretty guilty of the same thing as the rest of the X-men movies; it cares about Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto, with no one else ever getting to do anything of note or value. And ever since First Class, Mystique is added to that special clique of mutants that actually get to survive past one movie and do something.
Also it's pretty fucked up that as a result the allegory for prejudice centers on attractive white people.
They're ok movies, but they're fucking shit X-Men movies.
Call me when they actually use the team and develop the mutants instead of jerking off Wolverine, Jennifer Lawrence and Magneto/Xavier.
>great or meaningful movies
>great or meaningful
Meaningless buzzwords to justify and elevate subjective taste.
Also why is Batman Begins frowned upon? DD? You mean the Ben Affleck Daredevil movie? We like that now? Doesn't Sony have 5 Spider-man movies? Which ones are we counting?
>doesn't know what a conversation is
Based fox and dc
When I read about what happened to the subplots in DoFP I kind of started hating it.
>Future Sentinels capture Rogue and reverse engineer her powers, that's why they can copy mutant abilities
>Old ass Xavier and Magneto have to storm the base, fight Master Mold, and rescue Rogue
>Kitty ends up getting terminally injured, Rogue absorbs her powers so that she can help keep up the connection to the past.
>Let's make it about Mystique instead! I don't care if it doesn't make sense! We paid for JLAW!
>why are the most popular characters the most prominent
Avengers literally doesn't have a great run or arc
Not a hivemind
Watch the DC and form your own opinion
No, we praise good movies
You marvel sheep don't think for yourselves.
The only thing you wash is your brain.
>Watch the DC and form your own opinion
Oh! Director's Cut.
Yeah, the directors cut of Daredevil *is* pretty good. Actually the director's cut of Fantastic Four was also pretty good too.
I was fucking thinking that so hard. She copies kooks not powers, Rogue makes more sense and if thry wanted more Jlaw, make her rogue's mother who doesnt want her daughter to go through that shit.
Marvel Studios makes safe, by-the-book movies with a very basic, re-usable plot structure. They avoid getting too serious or experimental, and are strategically made to appeal to the widest audience possible.
Not just those movies.I liked the first CA and IM 2 and Avengers was fucking great. IM 3 is the best Iron Man and Thor 2 was very nice too and Guardian of the galaxy was rather funny. and Avengers 2 was awesome. There is just Thor 1 who is a bit dull.
>Marvel Studios makes safe, by-the-book movies with a very basic, re-usable plot structure.
Everyone does. Changing the color filters on the camera doesn't make it a different genre.
>relying on Marvel when a better alternative is already present.
Didn't he kill in his early comics too? And in the movies? I'm okay with people not liking the movie but why not just come out and say you didn't like it because "not muh superman"?
Yeah, it was a safe decision. He did it in the comics and the only people whining about it are here. Superhero movies in general LOVE killing their villains rather than reusing them, so Zod eating it was hardly a surprise.
The argument wasn't good or bad. The argument was generic or not. They're all generic capeshit. One's just generic capeshit with jokes while the other's generic cape shit with Hans Zimmer in the abckground.
Keep swinging at that strawman, anon. You'll hit it eventually.
A Star Wars movie coming out in 2015 after Star Wars has been omnipresent in pop culture for the last 40 years is a lot more familiar and generic as far as movie audiences are concerned than a Star Wars movie coming out in 1977.
And the Hobbit movies were force into being LOTR 2.0, in a sense losing the Hobbit's uniqueness to fit in with what people expected from Jackson and the franchise. Not quite generic, but MORE generic than it should have been.
Iron Man 1 and 2 aren't Mc guffin chase
Thor 1 isn't
The mac guffin chase in Avengers is a sub-plot
IM 3 isn't.
Thor 2 isn't (they have the Mc Guffin from the start)
Avengers 2 isn't
Ant Man isn't.
How though? It kind of matters in the first one (and even then its just a matter of miniaturizing it. They have a big one.). Vanko can essentially make his own in the second, and it's not relevant at all in the third one,
Stop this meme that these are actually movies and not comedic toy commercials devoid of plots or villains
AMac guffin chase require that the hero doesn't have the Macguffin an try to to get it. And usually, the villain doesn't have it either and both race to get it. By that stricter defintion, only GotG really fit.
But the villain trying to get the McGuffin the hero already have is NOT a chase the Mcguffin.
It's a "Protect the Mc Guffin"
I thought the original argument was that Marvel movies are generic and setting Thor on earth is a symptom of that. Not at all movies have to be set on earth or that all movies that don't take place on earth aren't generic.
Oh god they're going to use Led Zepplin for the soundtrack!
Wait, that might not be so bad.
Not really. It's pretty much always:
>Hero has flaws
>Hero gets power
>Villain wants power
>Villain does bad things to get power
>Hero learns lesson in selflessness
>Hero fights villain to protect loved one(s)
>Hero makes heroic sacrifice, showing that they have become true hero
>Villain is defeated, hero manages to survive
>Hook for next movie
You just described Man of Steel and Batman Begins too.
There's really only like 5 plots out there anyway, so acting like any work or even group of works is guilty of this is just silly fanboyism at work,
No, it require that you defeat tons of enemies. and get in the enemies base, then you have to fight inside the base and defeat tons of enemy to reach the flying ships. then you have to beat the air level to reach the other flying ship and put the card in the terminal. then you have to defeat the game boss who turn out to be your best friend and only then can you put the other card in the ship and then you still have to leave the ship before it self-destruct.
Captain America is Old School, mother fucker.
>making a doomsday movie a comedy one
Marvel drones will somehow defend this
Can't wait till this and civil war flops
>You're making a movie about the god damn apocalypse, it should not be a quirky ensemble comedy.
1) it's avery common story sturcture that apply to many existing movie outside of the MCU.
Not the plot of Iron Man 2
Not the plot of Avengers
Not the plot of Winter Soldier
Not the plot GotG
Not the plot of Avengers 2
Gtog tried something new.
Copying it isnt trying something new.
Pic related. Same formula over and over.
>Hero has flaws
They all do but they're not as comedic or plot related as other shit
>villain wants power
>villain does bad things to get power
>Hero learns lesson in selflessness
Tied to his flaw
>Hero fights villain to protect loved one
He is a real hero and would protect anyone
if you take out the "gets power" line, GotG and Avengers fit
with Iron Man being considered the protagonist in the Avengers :^), which is especially egregious in Avengers's case because it still treats Iron Man as someone who needs to make a real sacrifice in order to become a true hero even though that already happened in Iron Man 1.
Also you can see a very compacted version of that same arc present in Quicksilver in Avengers 2.
What I hate about marvel movies is how none of them are heroes,they're all just looking out for their own shit because the villain has a vandetta against them
Tell me about the characters in Winter Soldier
Thor: The Dark World
Man of Steel
Sure looks like he did.
I was responding to a post that said "Not helping your case pal." Where is the argument there?
I stand by what I said and I'll expand on it. The easiest way to make a movie with a character with goofy powers is to not take it so seriously. Antman is a good example of that.
Do you think a very serious Aquaman movie is gonna make more money than something that realizes it's an Aquaman movie?
It's not impossible to take Antman, Thor, and my own example of Aquaman and make serious movies that will do well. The question is, what's harder to do? We don't really have a good movie with a serious tone about silly powers yet, Hollywood doesn't know how to do that yet. Since it hasn't happened yet, people don't wanna fund something like that when you're already taking the risk of making an Antman or Thor movie in the first place.
>if you take out the "gets power" line, GotG and Avengers fit
Tony doesn't really learn lesson in selflesness. That's something he learned about in IM1. Here he is just doing what he know is the right thing. No. It doesn't treat Tony has someone that need to make a sacrifice to become an hero.. What actually happens is that it show Cap was wrong about Tony when he thought he was just a reach boyin armor. the one who learn a lesson is cap and it's not about selflessness.
And the Guardians don't learn lesson about selflessness, but about friendship. (also, no hook for the next movie)
>lso you can see a very compacted version of that same arc present in Quicksilver in Avengers 2.
Thus not the actual plot structure of Avengers 2.
>they're all just looking out for their own shit because the villain has a vandetta against them
Iron Man flies to the other side of the world to help out some poor people he saw on the news
Thor cares more about the wellbeing of an alien planet than his own home.
and literally everything about Captain Aerica, are you fucking dense, he wouldn't even be Captain America if he was the slightest bit selfish.
>Iron Man flies to the other side of the world to help out some poor people he saw on the news
Just wanted revenge
>Thor cares more about the wellbeing of an alien planet than his own home.
Because it affected his gf
>and literally everything about Captain Aerica, are you fucking dense, he wouldn't even be Captain America if he was the slightest bit selfish.
In WS the bad guys wanted him dead
Why are you talking about comics in a movie thread anon? Are you completely ignorant of how movies are made?
Everything I know about superheros comes from movies, cartoons, live action shows, and video games. Fight me.
This is not their actual lesson. their actual lesson is to work as an actual team. Selflessness is not something they really need to learn. Stopping the baddy come out as something obvious and straighforward. What they get the hard way is learning to work together.
Now that I think about it, Selflessness isn't even the lesson in IM1. what he learn about is dealing with the consequence of your actions.
>Just wanted revenge
then why did he literally leave the villains in the hands of the poor victims instead of punishing them himself?
>Because it affected his gf
nice goalpost shift
>In WS the bad guys wanted him dead
They didn't start wanting him dead until after he made himself into an obstacle for them.
>masterpieces like JJ and DD
>either English isn't your first language
Captain America is a super soldier
Nick Fury is a super spy
Hill is a super liar.
Hawkman is a super flyer
Pierce is a super secretary
Zola is a super computer
Black Widow is a super slut
Crossbone is super burned.
>Look who's come crawling back.
>Liked the Daredevil and Jessica Jones shows?
>Miss me now, faggots?
>DD and JJ aren't in the MCU! It's nothing but kiddy Disney garbage!
>Implying DD and JJ are good! CBMs should be le quippy silly fun!
Now, this is a Marvel: Civil War I'm actually interested in.
>I dont want comedy from thor.
I don't mind comedy, so long as it's not overused and is done well. The bickering/teasing of the Warriors Three amongst themselves in the JMS run is a good example.
In fact, I'd be down with Ragnarok having them for comic relief, so long as you get to see them in proper action this time and more than five minutes of screentime.
I liked Thor despite its flaws, mostly due to Branagh. Since Ragnarok has a good director attached, I'll give it a chance.
I for one was completely taken by surprise by the quipping and humor in Thor, it greatly enhanced my cinema experience.
I'm inclined to agree. There are better Thor stories out there, but the art kept my interest enough to finish out the arc.
I want to see this, then have Volstagg take on Ragnarok like he did in Siege.
Heimdall was shit and only took down one space ship. He's the Asuka of Thor characters. Hell, the Asgardians main weakness was the deadly magic *gasp* GUNS! None of them showed any incredible fighting skills. Hawkeye and Captain America could kick Asgard's ass. It's like Thor is the only useful one.
>tfw Thanos will be defeated in a dance off at the end of IW.
>Hell, the Asgardians main weakness was the deadly magic *gasp* GUNS! None of them showed any incredible fighting skills.
The invasion was repelled and many Dark Elves killed in the process. It was in no way one-sided. Hell, technically, it was a defeat for the dark elves, as they failed to accomplish their objective: put their hand on the aether.
>Movies with studio and exec meddling
>Iron Man 2
>Iron Man 3
>Age of Ultron
Moives with little meddling
>Guardians of the Galaxy
How can people think Feige is good?
>1) it's avery common story sturcture that apply to many existing movie outside of the MCU.
Yes. That's why it's generic. It's tried-and-true and easy to write.
Iron Man 2 barely had a coherent plot.
It's pretty clear that Cap's jabs are what pushed Tony to pull his heroic sacrifice.
And the Guardians totally learned a lesson in selflesness. It was one big "power of friendship" story.
>what Thor needs is humor
Just fucking kill me.
>lmao it's gonna be a quipfest confirmed!!!
Did you not read the article?
>Of course, Thor: Ragnarok seems to already be heading in this direction, seeing as What We Do In The Shadows director Taika Waititi was tapped to helm the new installment in the franchise.
>Considering how much the first two films experimented, but never really committed to humor, this is merely investing more in an approach that’s been toyed around with before. While we’re not expecting a "Casual Friday" Thor to show up in a Hawaiian shirt, ready to fight those who endanger Asgard, we’ll definitely expect the apocalyptic mayhem the title promises to be tempered with more of Hemsworth’s keen wit.
It's coming. Combined with the fact that the antagonists are going to be Hela and Amora, we're looking at a really fucked up Ragnarok.
I never felt like he needed the helmet until that picture.
Look, people want to shit on humor and that's fine, but being stuffy and fighting Hemsworth's natural charm is what has dragged down the last two movies. Well, that and every single scene of Midgard.
Wait, Thor: Ragnarok is going to be directed by Pieface from Green Lantern?
>He's the Asuka of Thor characters
So he's best girl?
He co-wrote and directed 'What We Do in the Shadows', in my head that alone is a better cv than what the last guy had.
Thor movies just need a decent fucking script and no executive meddling ( the first one had a good director, even if you dislike the movie ), both things we know won't happen.
I wasn't even aware there was another cut of the movie that was accessible. Why would I follow up on a movie that was mediocre in theaters?
We've reached a point now where in order to not be a casual you have to throw out all standards and self respect? You're not a cool guy with tons of nerd cred for getting kicked in the nuts and say "thank you sir may I have another"
>>villain wants power
Ra's didn't want power in Batman Begins?
You really think he wasn't going to be the one calling the shots in Gotham after he burned it down?
>villain does bad things to get power
The entire thing with Bruce's training is that he's not willing to be an executioner for his ideals and Ra's is, because he's evil.
>Hero fights villain to protect loved one
>He is a real hero and would protect anyone
No, and honestly this is the only real flaw with Nolan Bats. He's many things but an altruist isn't one of them. Far too often when he puts on the suit is because of self interest. Take eight years off? Sure. Nothing bad happened in that time. But his mom's jewelry gets pinched and suddenly it's time to get in the cave again.
>There will never be a gritty Thor series that edges closer to sword & sorcery than sci-fi where Thor looks like this
I personally found it funny that Gorr's entire reason for hating the gods is probably his own fault. If he hadn't been so busy enslaving and killing the gods they'd never have been too busy to help his people.
MFW Warcraft delivers a an actual epic fantasy flick
with actual magicin one movie compared to three Thor movies.
And judging from the trailer, it's going to be generic as fuck.
>Orcs retconned as misunderstood but noble savages
>barely any Draenor/Outland
>no Twilight's Hammer Clan
>no Knights of the Silver Hand
>no High Elves, Trolls, Goblins or Dwarves
>clichéd plot about Orcs needing territory and being attacked by da meen and raceest Hyoomans!
It's Warcraft 1. Orcs and humans. All that other shit comes in later sequels (in the case of movies, if it gets any).
>Thor's bad but far from "worst movies ever made" tier.
Nah, it's just as bad. The only reason it did as well as it did was because it came out during the peak of the MCU hype. If it had come out before, it would have been a massive failure. The movie really is a piece of shit.
It looks closer to Warcraft 3. Looks like there are some Orcs possessed by demon blood and other that aren't. Also, in WC3 they had to leave their lands behind cause they were dying, so they took some human lands.
Its odd as some of the other Marvel actors such as Ruffalo, Bettany, Olsen, Stan, Evans seem more keen on going deeper and darker and being bold.
Meanwhile Hemsworth is "lol Thor slapstick". A film with the word Ragnarok in its title...and you make it into a comedy buddy movie.
>Orcs retconned as misunderstood but noble savages
That was in 2001 in the book Lord of the Clans and Warcraft 3, though probably planned a bit earlier than that.
>barely any Draenor/Outland
That we've seen from the trailer. But the only exposure we had to it outside of brief manual backstories was the expansion for the 2nd game; this based on the first.
That we've seen in the trailer. Considering we have the Frostwolf Clan being exiled from the Horde, I doubt they would retcon WHY.
>no Twilight's Hammer Clan
Was not in Warcraft 1
>no Knights of the Silver Hand
Wasn't formed until after the first war.
>no High Elves, Trolls, Goblins, or Dwarves
The Alliance and inter-racial Horde wasn't until after the first war AKA the second game.
>cliched plot about Orcs needing territory and being attacked by the mean and racist humans
That's what happened to the Frostwolf Clan. This is the only thing close to a legitimate complaint you've made. While the Frostwolves did exist at that point in the lore, they weren't featured in the early games. I assume they're getting emphasized in the movie to show that they are the exception to the first Horde and that Orcs are not inherently evil. The story is still about the Horde invading Azeroth.
Even so. Orcs in wc1 were ravenous, destructive, demon-worshiping green-skinned monster invaders from another dimension; not these brownish, angsty and "conflicted" noble warriors in search of a new land.
none of those things I mentioned came from WoW.
Not even close. Orcs drinking demon blood was what started the first war, and their homeworld was long gone by WC3; the Orc campaign in that game was about LEAVING the human lands (in the tutorial no less) and founding a new home in Kalimdor, and not because any lands were dying.
The brown skinned noble shamanistic warriors are what the orcs were before their contact with demons. The ones fitting that description in the trailer is the one clan that did not drink the blood of Mannoroth, and were exiled. The first Horde has not been retconned.
>Will be a better dramatic fantasy movie than Ragnarok.
He later wrote an article after his review that basically said "I got a lot of hate for calling a shit movie shit. I could have been nicer since everyone is saying the movie is a comic movie and supposed to be shit. I'm sorry for calling this shit movie shit."
Seems pretty cool honestly. But everyone so fucking obsessed with films being artistic masterpieces these days that it's probably gonna fail.
>We’ve done regal. We’ve done Shakespeare
Hemsworth is right, Thor 1 was down to Earth, had low stakes, and was all about personality of it's characters.
Thor 2 was a miserable, boring white noise shitfest that thought it was 'epic'
>Fiege says Ragnarok will have huge ramifications on the rest of the MCU.
>Thanos leans forward on his chair.
>movies, cartoons, live action shows, and video games
So you know nothing about aquaman. Why exactly did you make a post using an example that you have literally never read about?
Aquaman would do wonderfully in grimdark. He is a fucking badass.