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Can we have a thread about this master? Who else goes from Neal Adams imitation to basically inventing a new style? Without him there's no David McKean and no David Mack. No Elektra Assassin. No Stray Toasters. Moon Knight doesn't exist without him, or at least isn't interesting.

So post his best art, post why you like his art, I just want to look at his pretty pictures.
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one of the GOATs

His and Claremont's New Mutants is the best X-book ever
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>>77656361

I've been trying to read Claremont's New Mutants run for ages but I'm in a position where getting comics isn't easy right now.

I WANT TO READ ABOUT THE DEMON BEAR.
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bumparoo
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>>77656361
Not a high bar exactly
It's only really great because of Bill's insane art
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>>77656310
He definitely is one of the singular artists of the 1980s, although his more idiosyncratic work might be an acquired taste for some.

Saw him at a convention I was covering for work a year ago, although he wasn't on his best behavior (or so I'd heard): He missed a couple of major panel appearances, including a "Spotlight on Bill Sienkiwicz" panel. Rumor was that he had partied too hard or something at a local pub during the second day of the con and couldn't keep his subsequent con commitments. (The official story the con organizers gave to the press and disappointed fans was that Sienkiwicz had "difficulty adjusting to the time zone.")

Needless to say, the con organizers (and a number of con attendees who went to the con specifically to meet the artist) were a bit pissed off over the whole affair.
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>>77656361
Eh, I like his stuff in the Demon Bear saga but the Legion one was a bit too loose for me. I get that it was going for a more abstract look to represent his mind, but I felt the overall quality fell off.
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>>77658279

That's disappointing, as I imagine he's got an enormous amount of stuff to say. I'd love to hear how Miller adjusted to his style.
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>>77658367
He seemed like a nice guy, little brouhaha aside. I was able to talk to him early on the first day of the con and he was quite cheerful and appreciative of the fans.

Also, pic-related is from one of his overlooked recent works: It's the 2004 Marvel Knights Black Widow miniseries (also collected in TPB as "Black Widow: Homecoming") that had him inking over Croation artist Goran Parlov's breakdowns/layouts. A visually striking work that was undermined by Greg Land's horrendous "traced from a shampoo commercial/pr0n video" covers (I wouldn't be surprised if potential buyers passed on the miniseries/TPB specifically because of those covers).
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>>77656361
Has any artist besides Siekniewicz / Art Adams been able to do a decent Warlock?
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>>77658475

man how many series have been sunk because of shitty Land/Horn covers
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Stray Toasters and Shadowplay are great.
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>>77656310
Too bad he doesn't do interiors anymore...
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>>77656310
>Bill Siekniewicz
It's Sienkiewicz, based anon
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This is my favorite thing he's done. No other artist has been able to capture how much of a smarmy douche Pietro is as well as Bill.
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>>77658725

Poor Emma Frost origin series
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>>77656310
looks like old Grant Gustin.
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>>77658475
Oh god, this book was so bad despite the art.
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>>77656310
It's funny, because he can't pronounce his name properly, even if he thinks otherwise.
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>>77662863
Don't ya mean spell his name properly? it's Sin-KEV-itch (as anyone who met him or visited his site knows!).

Anyway, sorry cape-heads, thought I'd post my fave pages from his failed experiment Stray Toasters...

"Model Two" cover....
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>>77665016
Love this spread (pt. 1 of)
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>>77665058
(2nd page of spread)
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>>77665084
Lovely dark, gauzy images here.
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>>77665111
Very Klimnt-like page
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>>77665139
Lovely pen and ink work
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>>77665016
It's not sinkevitch. Sienkiewicz doesn't know how to pronounce his name. Also, Sienkiewicz means "a person that sows using sicle"
It's more like Shyen-kyeah-vitch
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>>77665884
Don't you think it's his prerogative to dictate how his own name is pronounced?! Wow, that's so 4chan!
Also, "cheers for posting the pages from a little-seen Sienkiewicz failed experiment, vollstix". "That's okay, Anon, thought people might get a kick out of seeing something a bit more introspective than his genre work! Have a great day!"
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>>77665964
a little argument never hurt anyone. at least you have your thread bumped.
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>>77665964
I thought that it was funny, because Sienkiewicz is so proud of his heritage, however he was taught wrong and pronounces it incorrectly. It's just funny that his notions are a lie.
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>>77665139

>dem layouts

I'm so hard right now
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>>77665999

I made this thread, not this anon. I don't know how to spell is all.
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>>77666110
It's just a trivia. Just like the fact that his great-grandfather was a famous Polish novelist, when Poland didn't exist on maps. He also got a nobel prize for his works
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>>77665016
>failed
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>>77666137

Holy shit, really? That's cool.
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>>77666319
They even look similar. Look at the faces.
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>>77666319
According to Bill's site, yeah.
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>>77665999
No, it didn't but there's a cadre of Anon's who come on here JUST to goad people into arguments by saying some pretty nasty things, and those people should "get a life". Not saying you're one of "them", you're clearly just pedantic (which isn't necessarily a bad thing to be!). Okay, cool?
>>77666040
Yeah, his prerogative, as I said.
>>77666086
They are wicked, aren't they? Glad my scans have made you tumescent, Anon's like you make it worth the effort!
>>77666110
Not Anon, but I thought the other Anon meant "your" thread as a general term.
>>77666137
Interesting, didn't know that.
>>77666301
So, you think it was a success AS A COMIC? I'm not talking on a visual art level, I mean on a sequential art level. But that's fine for you to disagree!
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>>77666260
These are fucking WICKED, Anon, especially the leaping Nosferatu,>>77666260 and>>77666198.
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>>77666409
Okay man, you should drink less coffee.
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>>77666458
Tea drinker actually, coffee makes me sick, I can't even drink one mouthful of the shit. And NO, it's not some hipster affectation, I'm British!
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>>77666507
Both tea and coffee are legal drugs.
I'm not british, but I like tea too
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Bill's Moon Knight run was so great, it has been hard for me to read Moon Knight since then just because Bill's art is tied together with the character so much for me
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>>77666539
Good, good for you.
>>77666502
Enlarged this in a new tab just to see that gorgeous linework, fucking breathtaking. Have we had a IDW Sienkiewicz Artist's edition, yet? I can't recall seeing one but if ever there was an artist who needs one stat, it's "Billy The Sink".
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>>77666595
Is it true that Bill is actually more known for his art outside of comics? He was very innovative
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>>77666409
>So, you think it was a success AS A COMIC? I'm not talking on a visual art level, I mean on a sequential art level. But that's fine for you to disagree!
It doesn't seem to be much of a success commercially but I do think the writing makes it unique. Like a good migraine.
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>>77666654
One thing that makes me sad is that we don't get that many styles in modern comics. Usually it's either cartoonish stuff, or some generic clean-cut art. Marco Rudy was good, but his comics don't sell well, and I still like Bachalo, but otherwise, there aren't many artists that I look forward too. I wish Texeira returned to drawing comics
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>>77666655
Well he's sure gotten to do various kind of work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Sienkiewicz#Other_work_2
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>>77666704

Ronald Wimberly is pretty good, and David Mack should work on a new series. J.H. Williams III should go more abstract.

Dave McKean I'm pretty sure just wants to do movies now.
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>>77666856
>David Mack should work on a new series
Oh, that's good to hear.
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>>77666704
I don't think there're ENOUGH "clean" artists in mainstream comics, DESU. Most stuff is totally over-rendered with busy-busy layouts--I like Marcos Martin, Allred, Paolo Rivera, Steve Rude, people like that. Oh, the guy who drew 100 Bullets (forgotten his name!) and Corben's line-art are great....I don't really read contemporary capes, though, last thing I got from The Big two was the new Howard The Duck (which is great and the type of mainstream art I like).
>>77666655
Don't know if he was "more known" for his illustration work but I love his rap album covers--particularly EPMD's Business As Usual, Rza's bobby Digital and Public Enemy's "Greatest Misses", to name a few....
>>77666685
Hahah, good analogy!
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>>77667242
Rissio is the 100 bullets guy
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>>77667348
Eduardo Risso
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>>77667377
Of course, thanks Anon's!
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>>77666912

Fight Club 2 is a waste of his talents. I have a thing I think he'd be perfect for, but he would never agree to a pitch by an anon.
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>>77667242
>I don't think there're ENOUGH "clean" artists in mainstream comics, DESU. Most stuff is totally over-rendered with busy-busy layouts--I like Marcos Martin, Allred, Paolo Rivera, Steve Rude, people like that. Oh, the guy who drew 100 Bullets (forgotten his name!) and Corben's line-art are great....I don't really read contemporary capes, though, last thing I got from The Big two was the new Howard The Duck (which is great and the type of mainstream art I like).

Sounds like you might like the work of Alex Toth—he is, for all intents and purposes, the godfather of the contemporary, relatively minimalist and graphic-inspired trend in comics that stands in contrast to the similarly popular rendering-heavy, illustrative approach.

I like both "styles" in equal measure myself when applied by competent artists (the operative word being "competent"... when "stylists" fail to deliver, it's often because of "style" being used to cover up a deficiency in fundamental drawing/visualization/storytelling skills).
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>>77656310
I actually love the disconnect between his style and Claremont's writing style, which even at the time was a bit old-fashioned.

They worked Marvel method so it's like Sienkiewicz is sending over all this crazy art that is like nothing ever seen in a Marvel comic before, and Claremont is writing his thought balloons and captions all over it, and it shouldn't work but it does. It's messy, but it works.

And I don't think a more with-it writer would have given Sienkiewicz as much freedom as Claremont did.

(Ann Nocenti was the editor of the X-Books at the time and she probably also deserves a lot of credit for letting Sienkiewicz go nuts like that. It turned a weak X-Men spinoff into something really memorable.)
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>>77669948
Sorry to sound like a cunt but I'm a big Toth fan...and a long-time comics reader. was just discussing the famous "Toth Letter" to Steve Rude in a thread I made couple days ago linking to the Steve Rude documentary.

Why does the word "desu" keep appearing in my posts when I'm not typing it?!?!

By the way, are you reading the Dean Mullaney books on Toth? The first was great but the second got a few bad reviews....
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>>77671214
I'm not sure senpai desu
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