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Why does his DC art look so much better than his Marvel hart? It's not even close.
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>>77646591
DC characters are more "epic" and mythical by default
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>>77646591
DC charecter, at least the more well known ones, on the whole have stronger designs.
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>>77646809
I think it's the simplicity of the DC designs that help actually. The bottom is mostly spandex and simple masks. On top he's dealing with armor, shields, more elaborate masks and it all just look off.
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>>77646591
The bottom has more simple designs.
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>>77646591
It's the lighting.

The single light source in the DC pic makes the characters stand out more, makes them appear more vivid. The Marvel pic has too much light so everything starts to merge together rather than have all the characters stand out from one another.
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>>77646591
He likes DC more so he puts more effort into it.
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Alex Ross has to be the single most overrated creator in comics, and that's including the likes of Grant Morrison and Alan Moore.
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>>77646591
He can only do spandex competently.
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Because he likes DC more. He has a room full of Superman shit at his house.
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>>77647000
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Both of them are dumb.
Because designs from the 40s-60s are completely subjective and to some of us, all superhero costumes in this style are stupid.
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>>77647070
He can only do covers, and even with covers I prefer art that actually reflects the interiors. His art is too stiff and lifeless to do interior art. His life-like depictions are a boring gimmick.
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>>77647104
Except here's a more modern picture and it looks like complete dog shit.
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>>77646591
Both look shit.
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>>77646591
Just looks like his same neighbors dressed up in holloween costumes to me.
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>>77647170
Hehe, Thor and Batman have same jaw.
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Cause DC has a more firm style look to their Silver Age

and Kirby's art isn't supposed to look realistic

some of his recent covers have been good, that one of Spidey and Negative dude fighting on a building is great
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>>77646591
Both are shit.

Their only quality is that they look quite photoreaslistic.
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>>77646591
hes a DCfag so there is that.also:
DC is about god-like heroes
Marve is about poeple with powers
they both have their pros and cons
paolo rivera is more suited for marvel
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>>77647213
Cap and Supes look like twins.
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>>77647354
>All those iconic characters and costumes
>And then Carol
Wow, that really does piss me off.
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No regrets, /co/
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>>77646591

Probably because of the SJW factor
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>>77647405
Right??
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>>77647457
Fuck off, I thought you gags were filtered
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>>77647254
And that they really drawn and rendered incredibly mother fucker.
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>>77647493

> NO U
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>>77647354
I didnd't even notice that and out of all the versions of Carol they went with tier 1 dyke. Jesus christ.
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>>77646591
But... between those 2 images the marvel image is better, much more detailed and in depth.
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>>77647151

Are serious? This looks terrific and so does his Secret Wars and ANAD covers.

Can someone actually post recent stuff?, all his stuff generally have the same level of quality. The only reason you'd probably think his DC work looks better than his Marvel work is if your a disgusting DCfag.
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>>77647405
>>77647517
which explain my filename.why is she here?why not mar vell?
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>>77647405

are you also mad about Bucky and Deadpool and Psylocke and Rogue and GOTG Groot anad Rocket?
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Neither look very good. They look like they're traced from a photo rather than having any kind of style.
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>>77647547
>spider-man sweatpants
>that fucking borderlines racist caricature of an asian woman
>the character portraits out of nowhere like in American theater posters and video game covers
>the fucking spider-mobile

It looks like garbage. You have shit taste friend.
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>>77647547
>>77647151 is one of his recent works
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I don't know about recent stuff but I'll dump some good stuff from his latest skethbook
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Batface incoming
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>>77647649
>>77647627

This stuff looks so much better than the super sculpted statuesque stuff
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>>77647147
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>>77646591
Well, DC is better in general, no surprise.

Marvel is a poor man's DC.
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>>77646995
>Alex Ross
>the guy who makes the covers for every book Marvel decides to shill the hardest
>the guy who draws the newer versions of newer characters without a care in the world but won't draw New 52 stuff
>liking DC more
Nah, he's just a poser. Fuck him.
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>>77647572
Are you a fucking moron?
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>>77647642
no u
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Best Ollie
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>>77647457
The fuck?
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>>77647642
He's right, it looks great, you have terrible taste, you shouldn't give your opinion on art, you'll embarrass yourself.
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>>77647749

if i say yes will you explain why i'm wrong?
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>>77647649
I am so depressed this book didn't happen. Fuck Didio.
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>>77647547
Here are 4 of his February covers.
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>>77647826
Why are cloak and daggers colors revered? Also that looks a fuck ton better than this piece of shit >>77647151
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>>77647826
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>>77647642
>>that fucking borderlines racist caricature of an asian woman

>implying asian women don't literally look like that.

The only good thing about your post is that picture. Thanks for that senpai.
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His Guardians look better.
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>>77647713
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>>77646591
DC costumes are usually based on actual clothing which gives the artist a better sense of what everything is supposed to look like, and if that isn't the case, DC has had a longer history of live-action adaptations to show what their suits might actual look like which, again, helps inform the artist, especially an artist like Ross.
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He can only draw spandex.
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Sorry guys I don't know why the rotation is fucked up
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>>77647852
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A PIECE OF SHIT ON ANY LEVEL?
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>>77647882
Cap the smug one
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>>77647863

>Everyone shocked/in awe of Vision
>Tony and Thor going straight for an attack

lol
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>>77647863
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>>77647713
>>77647882

holy shit he can draw expressions `
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>>77647917
It's a homage to a classic cover, the original poses were l were left the same.
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>>77647868
When's the last time you seen an asian woman in real life?
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>Mfw
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>>77647923
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>>77647892
Ross' Joker always looks about 70 years old.
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>>77647948

I didn't realize that the poses were the same. still good body language work
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Someone post JSA.
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Gotu pham
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>>77647916
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>>77647610
His style is realism, and style is fucking irrelevant. We are discussing his competence and he is factually incredible.
He may trace but mainly he has models in his studio who pose for him.
And countless painters trace base outlines, that is not a flaw.
He still painstakingly puts each stroke of paint on the paper by hand.
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>>77647451
Nor should you have any.
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>>77646591
Batman = Spider-man
Captain America = Superman
Wonder-woman =....Thor?
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>>77647852
they switched powers in their last appearances
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>>77648055
Ointment
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>>77647970
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>>77648120
>Wonder-woman =....Thor?
kinda
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>>77648144
New tattoo family
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>>77648158
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>>77647735
>Not understanding the idea of "work for hire."
>Not understanding the idea of personal preferences differing from work he's being paid to do.
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>>77648158
Ayee brother voodoo's back
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>>77648182
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>>77647964
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>>77647977
it's nicholson joker is why
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>>77648182
FINALLY
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>>77648190
I'm sure DC's offered the opportunity to draw covers for them.
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>>77647151
>Alex Ross Peter looks like Andrew Garfield
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>>77648190
No he literally is autistic for Old DC. The reason Green Lantern and Fkash have no dialog in kingdom come is because he literally refused to draw Kyle and Wally, that Waid wanted to use.
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>>77647961

It's been a while to be honest.
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This maybe his best artwork in my opinion
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>>77646809
and yet they look like 50something cosplaying at a swinger party.
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>>77647970
>>77648158
>doesn't have doc's new gauntlet design
Did they hire him before the redesigns?
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>>77648275
i miss you so much captain marvel.
>black guy just here chilling
dj premier, what's good?
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>>77648275
Who will appear on Legends /co/?
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>>77647170
> his same neighbors dressed up in holloween costumes
welcome to Alex Ross.
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>>77647405
at least the x-men and ff are still there
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>>77648052
He doesn't trace anything. He just goes off of references, which literally every talented artist does.
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>phones in all of these shitty Marvel covers
>didn't even do a DKIII variant

He's dead to me.
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>>77647749
Sorry it's just tha I am from tumblr and I really like Carol design ^_^
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>>77648403
that was before marvel started to shill at the same time to destroy the inhumans
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>>77648182
This is one of the best covers Ross has done in recent times
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>>77648052
>he is factually incredible.
dude, photorealism just requires training and time.
you can find a bunch of better photorealistic painting on fucking deviantart.
http://www.deviantart.com/tag/photorealism
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>>77647826
this one actually looks good.
>>77647863
>>77647879
>>77647923

those ones are terrible, typical ross covers.
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>>77648627
Except they are not terribly drawn and rendered on any level whatsoever.
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>>77648546
That is all mostly digital stuff, which is great, but Ross does every single stroke of the brush by hand.
It doesn't fucking matter if his style is not particularly unique, what matters is his competence in carrying his style out which he is fucking great at.
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>>77647147
>I prefer art that actually reflects the interiors
Pleb spotted.

Ross is mad overrated, though, but that's not really something that needs to be said. Everyone already knows that.
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>>77649457
>Just dropping literally all of their shit as they're walking.
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>>77646591

Cause he's a DC fanboy?
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>>77649457
Is this the cutest sue?
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>>77649457
Sue looks like an ayy lmao
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>>77649188
If everyone says someone is overrated, is he actually overrated? At that point isn't he rated per his talent?
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>>77649503
I guess she's carrying it with forcefields or smth
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>>77649503
shes using her powers
>>77649533
she looks like a woman to me
>>77649568
hes good at what hes doing but at the same time shit in other aspects.photorealism but way too rigid for capeshit art
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>>77646591
Marvel had the originality and attention to details to incorporated different materials in the design, DC is all simple spandex and outer underwear and chest emblem, literally almost 70% of the Justice League follows this cookiecutter design.
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>>77646871
DC heroes have more emblems, too. It really helps to centre the design.
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>DC Ross is better than Marvel Ross
>Ignoring the greatest sequence in cape comic history
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>>77648546
>better
Everything on that first page is dogshit.
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>>77648546
>implying
Photorealism isn't inherently any harder or easier than other styles. There are people out there that can draw pinups with the best of them. The difference comes with how they apply that skill to composition and storytelling.
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Man I can never get enough of the contrarian idiots shitting on Ross.

Differences in preference are gonna affect how much you like it and yes his compositional prowess pales when compared to the classic artists.

But almost everything he does looks good. I love his ability to render the styles of the greats like Kirby, Swan, Ditko, and Cardy accurately in his own photorealistic art.

Yeah he's not good for interiors and linear art (except in Marvels) but his covers are consistently great and perfectly capture the epic, historical feeling of the classic scenes and covers he pays tribute to.
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>>77649891
When Ross is the right fit for a project, it's great. Marvels is probably my favorite, but I also love Kingdom Come, and World's Greatest Superheroes is some GOAT shit.
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>>77649568
This is what happened to Final Fantasy VII. It's so overrated that it's underrated.
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>>77647923
Ross never read How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way.

There's a section of that book about dramatic poses...Ross tends towards the ones branded as faggotry by HtDCtMW.
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>>77649930
>overrated
Overrated is the ultimate shit tier criticism. It accomplishes nothing other than saying "I don't like a thing that other people like."

The Beatles are probably overrated, but that doesn't mean they're a bad band. It just means that a large amount of people would call them the best of all time, and that's probably not the case.
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>Implying he's not a GOAT painter in the industry
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>>77646591
I actually like the Avengers image more
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>>77649923
Kingdom Come fits MOST of the time, with some shots like that first one of Captain Marvel being absolute classics. But I think some parts are indeed too static, like the super nightclub.

Marvels is just perfect throughout, even the action set piece parts with the Namor/Torch fights look like classical depictions of great battles.
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>>77648199
Blacked.
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>>77646969
This.
Lighting favors their posing.
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>>77649993
Overrated does not mean bad. Sadly alot of people who throw the term around use it as an insult when its actually gentle criticism.
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>>77648199
>does this garbage
>no DKIII variant from him

Marvel has to be blackmailing him to be working for them right now,
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>>77646591
The Marvel one has Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Black Panther.

It wins by default.
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>>77648158
>deadpool holding his sword between his body and arm as if he's been stabbed

Heh.
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>>77650032
>like the super nightclub.
Yeah, but it's just so jam packed with details and cameos that you have to love it.
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>>77648371
In this picture?

Doctor Fate maybe, I think he'll definitely show up in the CWVerse eventually.
Commander/Citizen Steel maybe.
I think Stargirl has got to show up on the CW sometime, if not in Legends then some other time.
Other than that I think that Hourman, Liberty Belle, Mr. America, Damage, Judomaster and my boy Doctor Midnite all have a shot.
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>>77650119
I know it doesn't mean bad, that's my point. But people use it without qualifying, because they're too retarded to actually critique something or they're just intentionally contrarian.
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>>77650140
Your disapproval of what the image is showing doesn't make it badly drawn or rendered.
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>>77646591
Because DC characters are so much better than Marvel

It's not even close.
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>>77646591
he has better models for DC characters
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>>77649812
>The difference comes with how they apply that skill to composition and storytelling.
yeah and ross is shit at that
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>>77649052
>That is all mostly digital stuff
but that's wrong
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is that story about Ross trowing a hissy fit about not wanting to draw Kyle Rayner true?
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>>77651039
Yes.
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>>77648158
Who is that Hyperion's lifting up? Wonder Man?
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>>77651078
not sure it could be the classic human torch
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>>77650927
>Ross
>Shit at composition
Top kek.

He might not be great at showing motion or doing interiors, but no one can tell stories through big panels like he does.
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>>77647642
>fucking borderlines racist caricature of an asian woman
What do you mean? The eyelids? Because you know they have to have surgery to get double eyelids
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>>77651078
Whichever Torch is on Uncanny Avengers, since that's the team they're trashing.
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>>77651039
Yes, that's why Alan Scott is GL in Kingdom Come. Ross wanted Hal, DC wanted Kyle, so they compromised.

This was his sole Kyle image for years, from a DC Universe poster. No idea if he's loosened his stance in recent years.
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>>77651265
Anon's an idiot. Her skin tone, eyes, and cheekbones all look like people I've seen before.
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>>77650903
Holy fuck. That is a good Wonder Woman. The model.
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>>77646591
Thor's veins look like lightning
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>>77651358
GL even didn't do much in Kingdom Come, so having the character be Hal, Alan or Kyle probably would have not made that much of difference.

In fact, Kyle could have been used as an example of a 90s hero done right, given KC's critique of EXTREME 90s superheroes.
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>>77649714
this guy gets it

for some reason his work in Marvels never gets circulated much on /co/ but to me it's the perfect Spidey and Human Torch, visually at least
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There was also a story about Ross getting mad at a kid who wanted a Cassandra Cain sketch
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>>77651039
>>77651905
So, what's the deal? Does he not like any character from after the silver age? He doesn't like these characters in particular? Why?
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>>77647000
holy hyperbole, batman. trips went nuts.
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>>77651981
He's a pissy manbaby, like most comic book readers.

He just happens to be a decent painter and stumbled into a really good gig.
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>>77651981
He really, really prefers comics and characters from when he was a kid, the Silver Age. And that preference heavily skews towards DC. (he's done plenty of modern Marvel characters. Still doing them today.) This is from an interview in 2004 with the Onion:

>The Onion: Looking at your work, Bruce Timm’s animated series, Alan Moore’s America’s Best Comics line, and, to a certain extent, Grant Morrison’s run on JLA, there seem to have been efforts to return to a Silver Age approach. Even Superman’s dog Krypto is back.

>Alex Ross: What you have is a bunch of 40-year-olds and thirtysomethings like myself. We grew up with this stuff thinking of it a certain way, and we’re rejecting what was kind of knocked around on us the last few years. Basically, what still is going on in modern continuity, especially at DC Comics, is a rejection of everything they did in the 1990s to compete with the then-hip-and-happening changes coming from the more tumultuous time of what Marvel and then Image comics did. We’re sort of in a repairing stage. Those of us who are kind of these Silver Age purists who think you don’t need to fix what isn’t broken, we’re getting our way because more of us are in control at the moment.

So that leads to him having certain preferences. Like he prefers Dick Grayson as Robin, even as an adult, and doesn't like to draw him as Nightwing. (Though he's not as hard about this as with Kyle -- he even did a redesign once.)
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>>77652274
Thanks, anon. That's... Much more explicit disdain then what I expected.
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>>77652274
Firestorm is another character he apparently dislikes. Ross has never painted him other than when he repainted a Perez Crisis cover that he appears on. Even all that silver age JLA stuff he's done, the rosters always stop before Firestorm joins. The best guess is that Firestorm joined the JLA after Iris Allen was murdered in the pages of the Flash, and Ross sees that as the point when DC started having darker stories, so he keeps his stories set before that.

Here's a thumbnail sketch of a page from Justice, where Firestorm was originally slotted between Phantom Stranger and Red Tornado.
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>>77652422
And then the completed page, with Firestorm removed and the satellite panel expanded to compensate.
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>>77652422

Firestorm also is just the worst
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>>77652334
It's not really disdain, though. It's just "I like what I like, and I'm in the power to control certain things."

It's no different than any other creator who has their favorite characters or settings.
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>>77652274
>The Onion
uhh
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>>77652274
And that's why he's fucking autistic.
>MUST BE MUH VERSION OF CHARACTERS COMICS MUST REMAIN STAGNANT, NO NEW CHARACTERS
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>>77652471
The only bad Firestorm is Jax Jackson and that shitty Mary Sue from Future's End
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>>77652274
The Onion is a parody site anon
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>>77653920
>>77654310
It was AV Club.
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>>77651358
Shit. Why do I love Danzig Superman so much?
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>>77652274
He also painted Nightwing and Tim in his OYL costume for the Batman RIP covers
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>>77652274
So he refuses to work with DC anymore because he doesn't like the New 52, but he has no problem drawing Whor, Captain Nigger, Ms. Muslim and more from Marvel? What a hypocrite.
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>>77654804
He still does Astro City covers, but I don't think he has much if any interest in the New 52. I tried to find any New 52 work he'd done but there was none, and this from a bleeding cool interview in 2012.

>[The New 52] is a tough thing to see. All those comics that you grew up reading, none of them count. It’s not quite an all-service kind of menu of storytelling. Marvel did their Ultimates by saying “Hey, you can either jump on board, or you can read the regular stuff, it’s ok.” There’s no forced “This is it, and this is all it’s ever going to be.”
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It just seems like he's more of a fan of DC than Marvel desu.

The DC heroes lineup is a lot easier to put together in those epic looking poses though. Probably because they're pretty much today's version of the ancient Greek pantheon.

The Marvel heroes don't give off that vibe, so that makes them less iconic, memorable, and so less favorable for Alex Ross I suppose.
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His art is shit. It looks amazing, and he's an incredibly skilled artist, but I think oil paintings aren't very easy to digest as comic book panels. There's a reason ligne claire (and stuff like it) is so popular.
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>>77654967
He's doing a Harley variant coming up soon, but it's pretty much guaranteed she won't be New 52 Harley.
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>>77655479
>His art is shit
>it looks amazing
Cool opinions
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This is a fun new interview I saw on Ross's site
http://www.alexrossart.com/rossreport.asp?id=832
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>>77656216
>As a fan, which of the superheroes that have been represented in the Marvel Cinematic Universe are you the most satisfied by?

>Ross: Well, I love Chris Evans so much in his portrayal of Steve Rogers. I don’t love any of the costumes they put him in, but I can still enjoy the movies he’s made. I also would be one of the people who said that if they didn’t get Benedict Cumberbatch to play Doctor Strange in the upcoming movie they would have lost everything. That would have been the biggest screw-up on Marvel’s part if they didn’t nail him down.
Heh
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>>77656257
>And what was the process like then to come up with the covers for each of the new issues? Did you get to be in the writers’ room and pick a particular scene or character that you wanted to showcase on the cover?

>Ross: Not at this stage of my career. I’ve had that before in various projects over the years—starting 20 years ago when I was doing covers for Astro City. I’ve had experience being so heavily involved with shaping the story that go under the covers I do, and it’s much of what I did at the beginning of my career. Now, with the stuff I do with Marvel, I’m largely getting directions handed over to me. “OK, this is what we think would make a great cover” and aside from a few things that are stand-alone shots of characters, I’m taking their directions. These are not necessarily my versions of these things. If I’m going to be doing The Avengers as I know them, they’re going to have the look and feel of the characters as they were designed in the ’60s, or something that regards that continuity from 40 to 60 years ago. I’m far less a contributing part of all of this, which in a way is a break because I’ve had so much to do with the other things I’ve worked on throughout my career. It’s a relief [Laughs]. I’m trying to learn to not care.
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>>77647923

>gobacktothekitchen.jpg
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>>77648182

>Spidey's butt

Sweet Jesus.
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>>77654804
To be fair, nothing is as bad as nu52. Not OMD and not even SJWarvel Comics.
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>>77656541
>SJWarvel
Jesus Christ, can you not have an opinion without making a shitty pun?
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>>77656541

>Being this delusional

New 52 isn't bad, and in no way is worse than those hideous things you mentioned. Is just that it isn't as good as the previous universe.
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>>77656541
Both of those are far worse.
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>>77656541
Nu52 is a mix bag though the good part is way better than the good part of marvel but the bads of dc are way worse and easy to notice
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>>77656734
>New 52 isn't bad
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>>77656765
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>>77656794
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>>77656818
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>>77656765
The Teen Titans were awful before the New 52. They've had literally one good run ever.
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>>77647147
>His life-like depictions are a boring gimmick
could you be more ass backwards?
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>all this salty cherry picking
I hope theres another reboot
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>>77656846
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>>77656765
>>77656794
>>77656818
>>77656836
>>77656846
>he has a folder dedicated to things he doesn't like

Your life must be terrible.
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>>77651714

That's why he didn't do much.

Waid had plans for Kyle and Wally but Ross refused to draw them because he wanted Barry and Hal so both ended up more or less shafted.

>>77651905

This breaks my heart... mai waifu...
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>>77656871
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>>77648275
I miss Cyclone :c
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>>77656893
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>>77656765
>>77656749
>>77656738
>>77656734
>>77656541
Well, it took about 200 posts, but this became a shitty console wars thread.

Can we not just talk about art for once? Fuck's sake.
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>>77656988
go ahead
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>>77657008
I tried. People didn't seem to want to respond to actual art discussion.

But a single company wars post? BOOM five replies off the bat.
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>>77657156
There was 200 posts of art discussion before it you colossal dildo.
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>>77657156
Five replies to bait is pretty good for a thread with over 200 replies anon
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>>77657197
Yeah, and then a perfectly decent thread got ruined by company wars. But I guess you're okay with that.

I'll admit, it took longer than most cape threads. So that's something.
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>>77657232
So instead of getting back on topic you just complain?
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That's cute, people saying "Alex Ross sucks" like they understand anything about painting and composition.
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>>77657276
If comic books were just catalogues of various characters wearing colourful costumes and standing still in powerful poses, he'd be good.

But they aren't, so he's not.
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>>77657760
>le his art is stiff meme

Form your own opinion for once.
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>>77657885
I formed that opinion on my own. It just happens to be a very popular one because he art is entirely static.
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>>77657947
It's a popular opinion amongst shit tasting autists on 4chan, nowhere else does anyone say that.
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>>77657760
>Most recent work is a bunch of covers
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>>77657966
>no one else calls Ross stiff
Are you retarded? The most common complaint of Ross's art is that it's not good for interiors.

Now, I think the original anon (>>77657760)
was retarded, because that's exactly what 95% of Ross's output is. He almost exclusively does covers and pinups, and only has a few notable projects of interiors to his name.
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>>77658759
>Are you retarded? The most common complaint of Ross's art is that it's not good for interiors.
Nice reading comprehension dumbass.
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>>77658759
>The most common complaint of Ross's art
>Regurgitation
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>>77658776
Guess I should've been more explicit for you. Let me adjust that to "...not good for interiors, because his art is stiff and doesn't lend itself to motion and linear storytelling very well."

>>77658778
Are you really so paranoid that you can't believe people have similar opinions?
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>>77658916
Let me expand here by replying more to >>77657966

I did a quick google of "Alex Ross stiff art" to see if I could find non-4chan examples of it. And guess what!

>http://www.ign.com/articles/2003/10/22/an-interview-with-alex-ross
>People obviously accuse me of being a stiff painter who's just applying these still images to an otherwise bright and lively form
Even Ross himself acknowledges that people say it.

>http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/206-comics-and-graphic-novels/67150163?page=1
>But that does mean he sucks at it, because he's not using the tricks used to depict movement when he should be. It makes it all look stiff and static. Making things look like still photos instead of depicting movement is lazy and bad.

>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/12/17/top-50-comic-book-artists-10-8/
> His style just seems too stiff for comics, but I love most of his covers and his design work is impeccable.
> The Alex Ross sample feels so stiff by comparison. It’s beautifully done design work, and I he clearly has an eye for detail, but he’s missing the sense of movement.
>I agree with others that Ross, while good at what he does, should not have cracked the top 10. His storytelling ability is nonexistent.
> Put me in the camp of Alex Ross paints nice pictures – and some of them have great impact and terrific interplay with the “words”. But, the sequential storytelling leaves me more flat – I feel like I have to work to make the connections between panels. The photo-realism does blow me away at times (of course Kirby used actual photos in his Fourth World books), but not as a story piece.
> Ross’s stuff is like reading one of those photo stories they had in UK comics in the 80s. I’m sure it takes a lot of hard work, but it’s just kind of boring now.
> he’s painted waaaaay too many portraits of super-heroes standing around scowling. ... His storytelling was never stellar, but the attractiveness of his art could carry his comics.
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>>77648158

wow I actually thought that was Spiderman and not deadpool for a second their
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>>77659332
>Spiderman
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>>77648171
I'm not a lower class african american chugging 40oz malt liquors and spouting obscenities
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>>77647863
That cover is actually inspired by John Buscema's cover to Avengers #57.
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>>77646591
Anyone else here noticed Giant Man in the background of the Marvel pic?
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>>77650903

Get rekt Gadot. This is fine Wonder Woman work here.
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>>77648120
>Spider-Man
Are you blind or retarded?
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>>77646591
Seeing this pic I can't help compare how Marvel is destroying its classic characters to pander to SJW's and their crap.
They will be forgotten much faster than the DC characters. Marvel's legacy is ruined.
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>>77661677
what? What about DC?
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>>77661677
>>77661738

This guy is right. DC's been just as bad.
> Batman's a giant robot
> Hal's on the run from the law
> Superman, the "american alien" is wearing a t-shirt and has a buzzcut.
That's not all of them, but it isn't like the others haven't been through their share of bs. Just because Marvel is being pushy about race/gender diversity this time around doesn't make what they're doing that different from what comics have always done and will always continue to do.
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>>77661738
I don't much follow DC but I see Batman, Superman, the Flash, Wonder Woman and all these other classic are still around and are prominently featured in their comics.
Unlike in Marvel when there's no more Thor, no more Captain America, no more Wolverine etc. etc.

That somehow feels like that DC's characters are more classic and more important than Marvel's characters.
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>>77661827
>listing momentary changes at best
come mang. Mantle changes happen all the time
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>>77661787
The Superman and Batman stories are great though.
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>>77647559
that submariner looks straight out of a porno
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>>77661827
Right, because DC has never replaced Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash...
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>>77661827
Thor and Steve are still around, even if their roles aren't what they should be. They'll be back, just typical capeshit
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>>77661842
I don't think this one's momentary.
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>>77661827
Thor and Steve are still around, even if their roles aren't what they should be. They'll be back, just typical capeshit.

They did make Wally black over at DC and that's a pretty huge change, Marvel hasn't gone back and changed the race of a character that already existed.
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>>77661857
This.

The status quo will be back in DC soon enough, it'll take longer in Marvel, but there too. In the meantime, try to appreciate these temporary changes for what they are.
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>>77661888
I literally can see no reason for that thought. At all. Has it even been a full year yet?
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>>77661869
There's a difference between temporarily replacing Bruce with Jean Paul and portraying JP as being in the wrong with a story building up to the point in which Bruce will return and kick his as. Or the current one where Bruce is amnesic but still appears in the issues and Gordon is simply trying his best to help Gotham. There's a different between these and, say "Hey, you like Ghost Rider? Well fuck you, here's a mexican kid driving the most generic muscle car"
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>>77661890
Didn't they change Scarlet Witch and Quicksiler from mutants?
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>>77661923
And apparently changed them back post Secret Wars, confirmation pending.
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>>77661909
Fuck you Robbie is perfect. Also, why is a mexican in a muscle car lame generic, but a white guy on a bike not?
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>>77661904
>>77661890
>>77661898
So how's that gonna be like, at one point will Marvel be like sorry niggers and feminists but now we return Captain America and Thor and all those other titles we've changed to pander to you, to their original characters? I just don't see it happening.
No, it's only gonna get worse. Spider-man's gonna be the last but he'll go too. Peter Parker will be retired at some point or whatever, and we're gonna be stuck with Spider Gwen and Miles Morales.
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>>77661949
I said the specific car they chose is generic when you think about muscle cars.
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>>77661954
First off, kiss my ass

Second, all characters come back. Hell, in Thor its already been confirmed Thor is coming back. They made temp changes because they felt it was cool and yes, to pander, but fucking no one panders forever. Especially not with top characters. Also, new management is always coming in.

So basically, you're a shitty little bitch who needs to get over it.
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>>77661981
Well, all I can say is we'll see.
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>>77661954
It isn't going to be like they're taking the title away from "niggers and feminists" it'll be that they're giving back the mantle to the original owner, and the character who had it will get their own identity back.
In the long term, the mantle pass just serves to strengthen the character who took it, as they will gain status from having been Cap or Batman or what have you.
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>>77657760
>catalogues of various characters wearing colourful costumes
Catalogues of middle aged people wearing colorful costumes.
The people he draws lack any sense of heroism or grandiosity. They would be great for a deconstruction of the cape genre. They would fit a comic like Watchmen for instance. It woul work for Batman in DKR.
But Superman and Wonderwoman? A comic like kingdom come? his character design is terrible for those.
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>>77647493
That was just for halloween
>there have been wordfilters for a whole month now
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Has Ross drawn Cable ?
I read somewhere that Ross hate Lielfield art and didnt like the character
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>>77654260
>Jax Jackson
You realise he's just black Comics!Ronnie Raymond, right?
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>>77661954
>Comics status quo
>changing forever
HAHAHAHA
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>>77662391
Magog is parody of Cable.
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>>77656913
We all do mate.
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>>77646591
DC is iconic, Marvel is pop.

Hell just go to classic covers and you can see DC being influenced by Nazi, soviet and propaganda and Classical roman and greek art, while Marvel was pure action from sports magazines and war journalism.
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>>77661954
>"I have beaten cancer and proven myself worthy to wield Mjolnir and as a hero, and as such, was awarded my own hammer by Freya, the All-Mother. I shall dispel the name Thor and create my own legend as Jane Foster, Thunder Lady!" - Thunder Lady #1, May 2017.

>"All this time being Captain America and this crazy war with Iron Man put my role in the world back in perspective, not as a symbol of any country, but as an individual trying to do good by my people" - Falcon Vol 2 #1, July 2016

>"Thanks for the guidance, Peter. But the world already has it's Spider-Man. Time for my to find my path as my own hero!" - Nobody Was Using Scarlet Spider, So Miles Might As Well #1, TBD.

And then they'll all go on to be cancelled in 6 to 12 issues, and the cosmic ballet goes on.
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>>77656836
>implying that wasn't the tightest shit
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>>77646591
He has a hard-on for DC. Particularly Superman.
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>>77662865
More like captain marvel130
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>>77662874
He has a Superman room at his house full of merchandise.
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>>77649611
It's almost as if they pioneered that shit or something.
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>>77662874
No, trust me when i say that his biggest hard-on is for Superman.

He has this fucking statue in his living room.
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>>77646591
I don't know about you but I think both are great
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I think all the more "human" DC stories or their stories that focus on the whole symbolic aspect of their heroes are weirdly more relatable than Marvel heroes, despite Marvel being know for the more human characters.
They are like finding out a Big Hollywood Superstar goes to the same super market as you, or that they are stuck in the same hospital room.
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>>77664976
I find that DC tends to give their characters more unique hobbies/likes while marvel never really goes into that. It helps the characters to seem more 3 dimensional.

Superman listens to Metallica, Kyle Rayner is a weeb and at times Jack Knight is defined more by his love of antiques than him being Starman.
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>>77662747
If they give Miles scarlet spider I'll be done with marvel. For real.
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>>77648182
So like what if Negative misses Spidey? Will he fall to his death?
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Have you ever heard of a thing called ''opinion''?
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>>77649714
DC confirmed for BTFO
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>>77661677
sure pal, sure
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>>77649457
tfw rivera on hellboy in february
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>>77647015
underrated post
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>>77661890
But they did, Miles Morales is blackface Peter Parker
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>>77670011
but he isn't, do the people that say this meme actually read his book?
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>>77671367
>meme
Benis pls
Of course I read the book and it's shit
>muh OP venom sting that defeats the Green Goblin
>Wow so much better than Peter Parker
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>>77671683
>claims Miles is same as Peter
>uses example that shows how they're different
If you wanna not like Miles, go for it. But to say that he's just blackface Peter is categorically false.
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