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Pitchfork: Rebecca Sugar's Cartoon Worlds Have the Best

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This was posted 6 days ago but I can't find any threads in the archive about it

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/963-rebecca-sugars-cartoon-worlds-have-the-best-music-on-tv/


>There’s a reason kids’ TV tends to produce a lot of infectious little songs like this—before they become effectively literate, music is an easy way for children to digest and process information. It’s why you still probably use "50 Nifty United States" to remember the names of all of the states, and why "Schoolhouse Rock" continues to be awesome/one of your primary sources of civics knowledge well into adulthood. It’s unsurprising, then, that "Adventure Time", one of the best and most complex pieces of television of the past few years, period, has created an excellent space for music.

>Without writing a longer, separate essay (or a book), the use of music on "Steven Universe" is both sublime and consistently astonishing in its capacity to top itself and surprise viewers, from the video game-influenced, crystalline score by composing team Aivi and Surrashu to the contributions of the rest of the "Steven Universe" team (particularly storyboarder Jeff Liu) to the most minor songs by recurring characters. That includes an R&B-inflected, goofy PSA about working in a doughnut shop, a punk diss track sung by a band full of time-traveling Stevens, and a whole catalogue for Greg Universe, Steven’s doofy dad (voiced by comedy star Tom Scharpling) who used to be an aspiring rock star, complete with flowing mane and busted tour van.
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Triggered!
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>>77637599
>pitchfork
Literally who?
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Shouldn't you guys be on /trash/? We all tried really hard and thought you guys were finally gone.

You guys are trying so hard to discuss the show now that you're banned.
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Don't care. Only thing that matters with Rebecca Sugar is MORE GAY.
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Every time I hear "Water Witch", I want The Sword to do an actual version of it.
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>>77637599
ive seen this fuckin show man its trash. sometimes i turn it on for my toddlers because it mirrors the stupidity of other little toddler cartoons
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>>77637606
>every post in this thread very soon.
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ey yo send this to /mu/, see what they think. Maybe the p4kdrones will start watching SU as well
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To be honest I think that the music in SU probably is the best music there's even been in a long-running children's cartoon so this article causes no problems for me.
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>>77637681
Underrated post
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>>77637623
Savage posting.
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I really want to live and let live but there's just something about Steven Universe that makes me angry

Not angry as in mildly pissed off

Angry as in I want to beat the entire staff to death with a ukelele for dramatic irony angry

Like

Fuck

This show

Its fanbase

Its creator

I just

I just fucking hate it. I hate it so much.
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>>77637698
Have you watched it?
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>>77637599
Over the Garden Wall had better music IMO desu senpai
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except all her stupid tunes have the same beat, melody and rhythm. She's a trash song writer.
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>>77637599
I mean is there much of a challenge? Say that shit when Phineas and Ferb was airing scrubs you'd get yo ass blown out. Winning cause no one else is in the category is shit son. SHHHHIIIITTTT.
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>>77637698
> people on /co/ give obvious shitposts like these serious replies

on topic the music in SU is pretty good. But Daniel Ingram on the cartoon voldemort program knocks it completely out of the park every time he has to write a melody.

I'd also say Andy Bean of the two man gentlemen band has done a far better job with music on Wander Over Yonder than any of the music in SU.

SU is 3rd place.
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>>77637698
I know how that feels, except I feel it towards the Aghori people of India. Yes there's only seventy of them, and yes, they do multiple acts of mercy and kindness that take care of their fellow untouchables, but holy shit do I hate them and want to burn away their filthy, cannibalistic, fecal eating ways despite the fact that none of their actions will ever effect me in the slightest.
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>>77637599
...that's a women?
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>>77637613
An online music magazine. Same owner as reddit
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>>77637761
It's a 12 year old Jewish boy.
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>>77637766
True, but it wouldn't be very accurate to conflate the two.
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>>77637698
Geez man
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>>77637777
What the hell was she thinking with that haircut?

I hope she's keeping it that short because long hair is a pain and not because she thinks it looks good
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>>77637787
I don't think she looks any better with it long.
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I love Sugar's songwriting, even the song she wrote for that shitty Marceline mini series was great.

And obviously Stronger Than You is fucking GOAT
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>>77637722
i can't blame you, honestly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEpJdHS1pV0
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>>77637698
Look

I mean this in a completely supportive and understanding way... and I am not a psychiatrist.

but...

You seem to be experiencing and autistic outburst.
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>>77637599
>Steven Universe has the best music

Wrong. The music in SU is okay but there are several shows with better scores to be completely honest.
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>>77637866
Name them
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>>77637698
>Angry as in I want to beat the entire staff to death with a ukelele for dramatic irony angry
Actually laughed

I know exactly what you mean, but I can't put it into words either. I think it's because it's so saccharine and melodramatic with no self-awareness whatsoever.
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>>77637796
http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/121573-steven-universe this gaylord video really highlights how shit her sing writing is. Lack of distinction between songs, same chords, same gayness across the whole thing. Only tone deaf people like this garbage show's original songs.
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>>77637613
go say that on /mu/
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>>77637599
I counter this claim with forbidden but relevant content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr1qzR1nlOM
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>>77637878
They have a show inside the show where all the characters are crying for no reason. All the adults have no idea why anyone would watch something like that.
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>>77637898
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>>77637878
That's what I hate, I think. It's saccharine and melodramatic but reviewers act like it has actual serious story telling chops.

There's nothing resembling depth in the show, which is fine, cartoons don't need to be deep, but...

Well, in Greek Mythology Prometheus tricked Zeus into choosing a bunch of bones as a sacrifice over meat by dressing the bones up in delicious looking skin and fat

I feel like Steven Universe has managed to make people think it is better than it actually is by dressing up in progressivism and fat
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>>77637698
Well, you see, your problem is that you bought into the /co/ hivemind and decided that you didn't like something without ever actually seeing it. As a result, you twist basically everything about that thing to vindicate your delusion, and it makes you mad when the rest of the world doesn't jive with the small-scale hallucination you've manufactured for yourself.

Basically, you are a faggot.
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>>77637968
But I have watched the show
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>>77637956
Do you really think anyone on /co/ watches this show due to progressivism?

Where do you think you are?
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>>77637878
>with no self-awareness whatsoever.

Actually there is one episode where one of the characters say something like "that show is weird, who would want to watch a cartoon about a bunch of people crying?" while referring to a in show cartoon.
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>>77637982
I think he was making a general statement
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>>77637987
It's a pretty valid question.

Judging by the the sheer number of unique IPs and speed of its general, SU probably has the biggest single fanbase on /co/, and it's full of people that don't give a shit about progressive progression whateverism. If people only thought it was good due to this shit, why would it be so popular here?
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>>77637956
>That's what I hate, I think. It's saccharine and melodramatic but reviewers act like it has actual serious story telling chops.
How does it not tell a good story?
>I feel like Steven Universe has managed to make people think it is better than it actually is by dressing up in progressivism and fat
It only appears that way if you bring your bias with you.
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You people put more energy into hating the show than most fans put into liking it

Get a hobby anons
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>>77637979
People would probably believe you if you could actually critique the show, rather than repeating the same obviously wrong stuff always circlejerked around in these threads.
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>>77637898
But half of those aren't sung to the original beat/chords, it even wraps around at the end to include the starting song.
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>>77637983
In another show I'd take it as self-awareness, but by SU's standards it's more plausible that they were poking fun at something else while hinting at how positive and uplifting their own show is. I'm biased.
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>>77637996
>>Judging by the the sheer number of unique IPs and speed of its general, SU probably has the biggest single fanbase on /co/, and it's full of people that don't give a shit about progressive progression whateverism. If people only thought it was good due to this shit, why would it be so popular here?


That is not a badge of honor, senpai.

/frz/ and /hsg/ had the largest unique IPs too
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>>77638026
They did it twice, to make fun of themselves. Crying breakfrast friends, Greg makes a comment about not being able to understand how kids or anyone would want to watch a show about singing or crying.

This happens twice, and then another character references another character doing it, in universe.
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>>77638040
Seems legit. I guess that doesn't change much.
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>>77638026
>it's more plausible that they were poking fun at something else while hinting at how positive and uplifting their own show is

Ok, now you are just trying too hard to hate it
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>>77638037
Nothing in that post implies that it is.

It just shows that /co/, which is not really interested in progressive stuff except to occasionally chortle/rage at it, pretty much loves the show. There were generally seven to nine hundred fuckers in those threads at one time. Accounting for timezones, for people coming off and on, etc etc, sustaining that amount of dudes in one thread constantly pretty much means most of /co/ was watching.

How could progressivism be the main draw of the show it /co/ loves it?
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>>77638037
>that pic

Yeah, no. Wreck-It Ralph had tons of generals full of fanfic and for at least a month or two was kept alive primarily by people writing a partial r63 breastfeeding fic.
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>>77637698
good for you for expressing yourself. I just ignore this faggot's show and the fanbase. I prefer to live my nostalgia than be a brainless idiot saying "You must watch eeeeeeeeeet!". Same thing happen to me with Bojack (and no, we aren't rich, famous, or have any friend. This is wrong, Go to reddit if you don't like my opinion)
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>a music review site
The only board that cares about trash sites like those is "youtube comments the board".

Should rename it to bitchfork
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>>77637996
people in these general threads don't often venture out of them

that's why they go so fucking fast, its like a little autistic friend-simulator chatroom
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>>77638209
More of a raging waifu war and the occasional conspiracy theory.
Like when they tried to find symbolism in everything.
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>>77637681
This. The dudes who make the music do really well. That Opal theme and the one where Steven and Connie are dancing before turning to Stevonnie are my favorites.
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>>77637698
Anon, you can ignore the show and the fanbase. Go outside, walk a bit, breathe some fresh air.

That kind of hatred over a trivial cartoon is worrisome.
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>>77638010
>obviously wrong

Yeesh anon, I get no one's allowed to criticize your favorite show, but maybe get checked for autism, okay?
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>>77638026
The show creators are aware, just like how you're aware you're biased.
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>>77638005
>You people put more energy into hating the show than most fans put into liking it
This. It's hilarious.
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>>77637698
You are mad about children's cartoons.

That is pathetic.
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Which is worse, /co/?

Obsessively liking a children's cartoon, or obsessively hating a children's cartoon?
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>>77638392
Anon1
>you don't have an argument
Anon2
>lol must be autism
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>>77638409
Hating
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>>77638412
cutting edge commentary there bruh
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>>77638395
what a delusional fuck. even if it did take skill to do it does nothing but make one retard laugh alone in an empty room.

It's like bragging to yourself about being the most accomplished annoying fly on a wall.
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>>77638409
Hate, because stress kills.
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>>77638409
I'd say hating considering haters normally haven't watched the show.
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>>77638424
just pointing out you're retarded.
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>>77638430
Some anons were really trying to get /sug/ and any SU discussion banned. /sug/ is banned but only because of hiatus, and any SU discussion is still welcome in /co/ so long as it doesn't devolve into faggotry. I wonder how some anons are coping with that.

When the show comes back and the general and threads come back, I don't know what they're gonna do. Probably try to ban the show again.
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>>77638409
I can't answer the question in general, but in this case, definitely hating. The hate I've seen for SU on /co/ is genuinely, authentically bizarre. Pathological, even.
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>>77637599
>video game-influenced
> an R&B-inflected, goofy PSA about working in a doughnut shop
>a punk diss track sung by a band full of time-traveling Stevens
>adults being this awed by children's music

Fucking kill yourselves.
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>>77638453
I still don't understand why everyone immediately believed that. Anyone could fake that in ten minutes by altering the text in their browser.
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>>77638453
That is impressive, if true.
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>>77638453
>pic

Jesus fuck that is truly the stuff of legend
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>>77638452
Congrats for pointing out the obvious.

I guess I'm still not retarded enough to like Steven Universe though kek
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>>77638473
True or not, there were some obvious bait posts that were really trying to rile up any SU discussion. >>77638395 This was when some anons tried to start SU threads in different boards, so the hijinks were scooby doo-tier (popping in one board and then another only to get banned). Anon ban evaded and kept going, but nobody gave a shit I think, so it eventually stopped.
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>>77637681
Oh please. SU doesn't even have the best soundtrack on CN. Matter of fact, it isn't even in the top 5.

Call me when SU has a song as badass as the Space Ghost National Anthem.
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>>77638453
And here I was doing quality shitposting for free.
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>>77637798
Why can't we just nuke all street-shitters?
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>>77638453
It's fake, you retards. Steven Universe attracts shitposting because the fanbase itself is shit.
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>>77638557
It is real anon
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>>77638557
Nah, shit fanbase or not, why would you spend your time hating a fucking children's cartoon? Unless you're fucked up in the head, too.

Face it, people are autistic over a cartoon they like. It's not a stretch that some people obsess over hating something, too.

In this case, SU had a rep already for being "tumblr" or having gay propaganda. It got hate already. Those who obsessively hate it jumped into this foundation and continue to hate it until now, as evidenced earlier in this thread.

It's truly okay to hate something; we all dislike something. But it's really odd that you would spend a chunk of your time and attention to get a cartoon banned in fucking 4chan.
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>>77637599
She looks like a teenage jewish boy
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>>77638598
still would
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>I hate every single thing of a show because the fanbase is kinda annoying
I honestly don't understand how people live or think like this. It has got to be tiring.
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>>77638620
Why do you care about people not liking your fat boy show? It has got to be tiring.
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>It’s unsurprising, then, that "Adventure Time", one of the best and most complex pieces of television of the past few years, period,

Literally just made everything this article says false and worthless
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>>77638658
To be fair with that anon, he didn't exactly care, and he didn't even specify if he liked SU, he was just voicing out his exasperation or confusion. That doesn't equate into caring.

You seem kind of sensitive to that matter.
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>>77638409
Both, moderation is the key to happiness.
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>>77637599
I mean maybe if you exclude adult cartoons. Because South Park got it otherwise.
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>>77638658
Show us on the doll where Steven Universe touched you anon
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>>77637918
Her song was great. I'll miss AKR.
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>>77637599
I think they should make a song about how bullying other into suicide because of something they drew is bad, maybe their fans will either get their shit together or fuck off.
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>>77638555
you gotta gas all the trannies before that

prioritise man
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>>77638735
>this happens
>tumblr suddenly decides the show was ableist propaganda all along
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>>77638767
So no downside, you say?
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>>77638785
>losing more than half of your fanbase
>no downside
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>>77638795
>implying the people you derisively call "tumblr" (ie the most vocal faggots) make up even one tenth of that
anon, pls
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>>77638839
This. Not just SU but tumblr in general, but I always think that the noisiest and loudest there confuse people by thinking they're the majority.
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>>77637623
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>>77638839
>derisively

Is that a real word anon? wtf does it mean?
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I don't like Steven Universe and I don't particularly care for its fans either
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>>77638839
>>77638866
Pissing Tumblr off is a really good way to get rid of autism and problematic fans.
I remember how butthurt they went with the transvestite episode of the horse show.
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>>77637599
Omfg I hate her fucking disgusting face. It just screams kike. I really like Steven Universe, and am anxiously anticipating story progression. But I'd take sticking this ugly ass, subhuman jew bitch in an oven over getting more episodes any day of the week.

I would punch her face over and over and over even if it meant we only got filler episodes from now on.
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>>77638891
Bojack? I don't remember any tranny episode of Bojack Horse show
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>>77638939
Don't you have some cartoons to draw, Ben?
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>>77638956
The other horse show.
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>>77638971
I'm no artist, I suck at drawing
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>>77638978
uhhh hmm
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>>77638981
We know, Ben.
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>they gave more credit to Sugar than the people who actually made the music

ayyyyy
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>>77638409
hate. youve been subjecated and will be insulted for seeking release
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>>77638994
lel
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>>77637875
poni
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>>77638978
mrs doubtfire always pissed off trannies.
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>>77638209
>don't often venture out of them
I've been hunting SU threads from the start, then was a general regular from the start, and up until three months I spent hours a day in those threads.

It's not that we don't venture outside, I lurk all of /co/ and 4chan, but I never post so much as in SU threads. Not even shitposting, actual conversations

Now I cannot stand the general, and I need my life back, so I stopped
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>>77637698
i feel the same.i really want to not hate everything about steven universe but i just cant:
the artstyle
the characcters
the animation
the pace
the drama
the fanbase
there is litterally no show as tumblr as steven universe and i feel bad for the people in its fanbase that arent asshole but i just can't stand it.
>b-but hating a children cartoon is lame
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I wonder when will you people stop complaining about the complainers so you can go back to your waifufaggotry, your nonsensical speculation and your cringeworthy memes nobody cares about.
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>>77637616
>We all tried really hard
I'm new here. Why was there some sort of vendetta against SU?
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Been saying for a while now that SU has some of the best music in any Western cartoon ever. It's very rare that you hear a good OST in a Western cartoon show these days.
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>>77639117
>there is litterally no show as tumblr as steven universe
Nah I think the new Bee and Puppycat is a good contender. Just look at how Bee acts and the design for the guy she likes.
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>>77639137

The fanbase has gotten to the point where it's worse than MLP and Homestuck.

Neither of them ever tried to make a teenage girl kill herself.
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For all of its criticisms, I've really got to hand it to SU in the musical department. As far as musical quality goes the only other western TV animation that I can think of that compares to it is Hey Arnold, but that's a totally different world of music for the most part. EEnE also had God-tier background music, but it's more notable for matching what was happening on screen than standing on its own.

That Hey Arnold music though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PdWG_KbsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3CP1I1kg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beez3iifOy8
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>>77639183
Isn't that more just the rabid SJWs PC police on tumblr than anything else? I'm not sure what that has to do with the SU fanbase on /co/. Also I'm pretty sure there have been some homestuck suicides along the way.
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>>77639208
The only Homestuck suicide that would count is Andrew.
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>>77639183
Not a fan of either of those things, but this is an odd thing to claim.

The SU fanbase, especially in tumblr, is atrocious, but why is the action of a handful of people reflect the rest? I don't know if some pony fans really want to fuck horses, but I don't lump those that do with the rest.

And i think the whole suicide thing is more of a tumblr problem than an SU thing. This isn't their first foray into harassing/bullying someone for the name of social justice.

Someone really needs to write an article about them and their behavior. There were a couple of suicide blogs/posts in there for the last couple of years, and for some reason I fear that it's influencing young teens.
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>>77639227

And he's already dead inside so it would be a mercy killing at this point.
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>>77639137
I think it started with the "tumblr" claim. At the very start, people were thinking the show is heavily influenced with the aesthetics and preferences of tumblr SJWs, so it got a bunch of haters early on.

Later on, the general became really atrocious with its waifu wars and shitposting, as any general would become. SU also attracted new 4chan posters (generals often do that). So whenever someone would criticize the show, some SU fans would explain, leading to the claim that SU posters are too sensitive and too eager to talk about their show. Others wanting to stop SU discussion has prompted some SU fans eager to talk about it instead.

Also, as evidenced in this thread, if there are people obsessively into the show, there are also people obsessively against the show. And because of the tumblr claim and the initial hate the show got (because it's tumblr, they say) a lot of people think it's cool to dislike the show.

Any slight mistakes related to the show (autistic fanbase, the suicide thing, gay propaganda, etc) will fuel the hate. It justifies their inexplicable dislike.

To be fair, SU has flaws. The art style isn't that great, the melodramatic story isn't for everyone, and the animation quality fluctuates. If you don't like singing in your cartoon, you'll dislike it. The fanbase can be awful. The 4chan fanbase (/sug/) is actually like any general here (generals tend to have a weird fanbase)---odd porn, waifufagging, waifuwars, etc. It's nothing surprising. The suicide thing in tumblr seems to be a tumblr SJW problem than an SU one.

It's actually really okay to dislike the show. It's the weird obsession that's really worrying.
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>>77639363
But it is a tumblr show. I mean, that part can't be denied. There's a lot of little things all over the place, right down to Lars's ears and hair that point to this being created by tumblr types. The pilot was definitely worse in that regard.

But after I got past my personal roadblock of not wanting to watch it because of its tumblry undertones, I really enjoyed it. You seem to imply that it isn't tumblr, but it is. And that's okay.
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>>77638707
shut the fuck up aristotle, no one asked you
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>>77639363
Eh, see I like discussing it, even with people who don't like it. But I think the sjw posting and waifu fags need to just go away.

Just hundreds of posts a days about waifus with nothing but gibberish and an image attached.

And people claiming a thing is reddit/tmblr/using those words as descriptives without actually talking about the thing in question also needs to stop.

Makes everything a lot more cancerous than it ought to be.
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>>77639399
>You seem to imply that it isn't tumblr, but it is. And that's okay.
But it's not, there's no tmblr message in there. The designs might be from that tmblr generation, but it's not tmblr itself.

It has offensive themes, what would be considered rape be aliens or whatever, and plenty of shaming. Those things wouldn't be represented if it was a tmblr show.

If you want a good example of a tmblr show the only good example that I can think of is Gravuty falls: roadside attraction. Most of the show isn't like that, but that episode specifically was the most retarded message I'd ever seen.

Was basically "don't hit on girls or you're a terrible person"
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>>77639399
Bad example, Lars is designed like a try-hard kid because he IS a try-hard kid
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>>77639451
>If you want a good example of a tmblr show the only good example that I can think of is Gravuty falls: roadside attraction. Most of the show isn't like that, but that episode specifically was the most retarded message I'd ever seen.
>Was basically "don't hit on girls or you're a terrible person"

What the fuck, how the hell do you get to that conclusion
One thing is to hit on girls and another is to try out a dozen of girls at the same time just because your waifu is unreachable
It was more about Dipper hurting himself than a boy hurting other girls' feelings
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>>77639451
It's not so much that there's a tumblr message, it's just that there are a bunch of little bits here and there that tip off that the show is created by tumblry people.
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>>77639399
Dude, tumblr isn't one thing. That's like someone making a show that /o/ or /tg/ like and you claim it's a 4chan show.
You act like some webpage is solely responsible for the people that make a show when those people are actually just part of a close-knit group that deals with animation among a wider group of generally upper-middle-class adults under fourty.
tumblr just looks like the epitome of that group because it is the site of choice for nearly every artist, no matter what they think about the microblogging children that also hang around that site.
You are just conflating overlapping groups by ascribing their existence to the point where they intersect.
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>>77639492
There's a difference in that it hints it was made by tmblrites but ain't a tmblr show in itself. Tmblr are like the pc nazis, you can't say anything bad, CIS straight males should die and check their privilege, everyone is equal, fat is beautiful etc. They're basically a people of an oxymoron ideology and thier beliefs make little to no sense and have no basis in reality.

>>77639488
He asked for thier numbers, didn't even try to go on a date with any of them, so it wasn't like he was juggling women. Then he gets forced on a date with a woman he doesn't like because he was pressured into it, and then all the women he asked for numbers all beat on him, because that happens. They try to justify it at the end in that women do it too, but it takes up all of a minute of the show.
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>>77639399
I can see where you're coming from. I wasn't really saying that the show isn't tumblr, but at the same time I'm not saying it is. I guess it's because saying something is tumblr is kinda vague.

Is Lars' ears a tumblr thing? It is a unique design, I give you that. But does having a unique design a tumblr thing? I see it fits his douchey persona.

When we say "It's so tumblr", does that mean the character design reflects the aesthetics popular in tumblr, the ideologies present in the show are popular with tumblr, the actions/attitude of the main characters reflect tumblr's userbase?

To be fair, I don't really think some of these tumblr ideas are bad. Different female body types in a cartoon do add variations and style. In the case of Lars, his hair style and ear things add character to him. As for the gay propaganda people say, I do kind of agree that SU is pushing stuff, and whether you support the gayness or not is another political debate/story. Personally, I don't see it as that bad since they're subtle about it. I'm more worried about the Lars and Sadie episode.

In the end, I see SU as a cartoon trying to do something different. It will tick off people, and that's fine cause people get ticked off all the time.
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>>77639413
My point precisely.
It's like believers trying to sell each other their specific brand of religion. And I feel like the Atheist in the middle who has no fucking stake in the game and would rather talk about more "real" things.
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>>77639516
So using a word as shorthand for a handful of traits is a bad thing now?

>>77639528
Well yeah, it's on TV, it's not like they're going to go full on "tumblr" tumblr. But that's not what I'm saying. My point is mostly if you're a /pol/ type and looking for something to get mad at, this show has a metric shit-ton of hatefap material.

But in the end I really do like this show and this conversation is going nowhere.
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>>77637698
Do it pussy
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>>77639413
>But I think the sjw posting and waifu fags need to just go away.
>Just hundreds of posts a days about waifus with nothing but gibberish and an image attached.
I'm with you there, friend. But it happens to all fanbases.

>>77639533
Well this is 4chan. People talk about trivial things like it's the most important thing in the world.
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>>77637599
>guys, are we the front page of the intamawubs yet?
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>>77639451
>If you want a good example of a tmblr show the only good example that I can think of is Gravuty falls: roadside attraction
I haven't seen that to comment, but going by aesthetics, main character's attitude, and character design, I'd say Bee and Puppcat is a "tumblr" show.
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>>77637698
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>>77639565
So then it's not tmblr, because like you said, there's only hints it was made by tmblr. There aren't actually any tmblr ideologies in there.

/pol/ tards will get mad at anything, they will tell you that. Well, anything except something that would make a difference, and if you boiled down thier arguments there's nothing they're actually mad about. They're just getting mad to get mad.
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>>77639642
>tmblr
Do you have tumblr filtered?
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I don't get why this show is considered Tumblr. Is it because Steven and Amethyst are fat? It has lesbians?

Is Clarence also a Tumblr show? What about Gravity Falls?

Why is being Tumblr such a crime?
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>>77639591
>I'm with you there, friend. But it happens to all fanbases.
Should be banned, it's like shitpost quality posting.
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>>77639492
>tumblry people

Dude, when you can't even explain your motives without using buzzwords or silly derivatives like that it feels like you have no real argument

I think this is more about what you perceive as "tumblr" rather than what the authors actually intend
For example you see a non-thin character and you immediately think of tumblr or SJWs in general because of all those silly fat-acceptance movements. Tumblr itself does that, of course
Instead of taking the character for what it is you'll both assume that the cartoon is trying to make a point instead of just doing it's own thing. But we've seen that's wrong, we've seen the crew defending the fanart with thinned characters, because they don't give a damn about fat acceptance, or at least they don't think the character in question is exclusively about that

It's not about what the cartoon does, times and cultures change and so does our perception of things
Like, if that one Dexter episode came out today you all would assume that it's LGBT propaganda or some shit. Same with Sailor Moon, that i mentioned in similar threads before, i don't see anyone bitching that it was gay propaganda just because it had indeed gays in it. Or, if we want to consider the SJW perspective, stuff like Johnny Bravo instead would get articles and blogs about how it's a result of "toxic gamergate culture", and so on

I guess i digressed a bit
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>>77639659
>Is it because Steven and Amethyst are fat? It has lesbians?
Yes, that's exactly it, among other things.

>>77639642
Your threshold for what is and isn't tumblr is higher than others', but in order to deal with the situation you have to understand how others will look at it.
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>>77637599
>Pitchfork
>a respectable authority on music
Loving
Every
Laugh
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>>77639659
Because they try so hard to bee seen as progressive is annoying.
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>>77639664
I think there have been bans with that. But general culture in 4chan has been established so generals tend to go that way.

I notice cartoon or video game generals tend to be really awful because of the age and situation of most of its posters. You latch on something that defines you or distracts you or is the most important thing in your life because nothing notable is going on.
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>>77639678
>Your threshold for what is and isn't tumblr is higher than others', but in order to deal with the situation you have to understand how others will look at it.
I do, and I realize that those people get mad at nothing and don't have any valid criticisms. When pressed its's just
>go back to tumblr lel
Because they're either shitposting, or they don't want to question what thier definition of tmblr is.

As is, it's just another catch-all term for "something you do not like" like reddit-tier or whatever flavor of the month bad website said person should go back to.
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>>77639528
You don't see how it is wrong to be running around, flirting up a ton of people and then just ignore them because you were never even interested in them in the first place?
This was innocent enough but those are girls I guess 11-13 or something and you can't treat them like that 20something you talk up in a club where people are out for a fling.
Imagine you get talked up by some chick in a library and you exchange contact data and you think this could be a thing because you don't talk up someone in the library if you don't care, then you find her talking up every single guy in the library before mooning over a picture of a celebrity.
You would be rightfully pissed and if you are not the only guy to notice that, you will probably group up and confront her. Because she just tricked you all for the purpose of getting better at tricking you.

>>77639565
>So using a word as shorthand for a handful of traits is a bad thing now?
If that word does not accurately describe what you are talking about, yes.
You would insist that "Nintendo" is not an adequate shorthand for consoles and video games in general when talking to your mom, right?
Because it conflates a lot of things that are hardly even similar
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>>77639724
Then what word would you suggest to replace tumblr?
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>>77637681
But that's not hard when you literally steal from various tracks of Paper Mario, Final Fantasy, Sonic, and various other video game music.
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>>77639659
>Is it because Steven and Amethyst are fat? It has lesbians?
Being fat doesn't make it a tumblr thing, I think. Other cartoons have fat characters and they don't get labeled as tumblr.

I think it's because of the different body types in the show, especially in the females. The show also introduces different races (the indian girl, the pizza family) which makes people think it's being progressive, and equate that with tumblr.

I personally think a show can be progressive and not be equated to tumblr. Because with all its female body variations and different races, there are still important males in the story, and if it's really a tumblr show I'd say the MC would not be a boy.

I think people are mostly grasping at reasons to justify their dislike over the show. I'd rather they dislike the fluctuating animation quality.

tl;dr: It's the different body types, different races, slightly gay thing. If it's actually a tumblr-influenced show, the MC wouldn't be a boy.
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I don't know. The music in SU is not my taste, matter of fact it sounds kinda cheesy. Harvey Beaks has just as good music if not better IMO. The way I see it is that the SU fanbase just got too convoluted that they became oblivious to other shows exsisting

http://youtu.be/SWOOazJlLm0
http://youtu.be/Z2KFB10Sp58
http://youtu.be/l2SI-DoVJNY
http://youtu.be/0auZRtq6n8s
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>>77637722
I'm the same Cept with India as a whole. The entire place is a cesspool and the people living there contribute nothing save an outsourced workforce. I'd be alright if they didn't exist desu
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>>77639676
>I think this is more about what you perceive as "tumblr" rather than what the authors actually intend
>Instead of taking the character for what it is you'll both assume that the cartoon is trying to make a point instead of just doing it's own thing.

Reasonable post.

I really think SU is just doing its own thing. Look at Bee and Puppycat for tumblr pandering instead.

>socially awkward main character
>her social problems are considered cute??
>old enough but no job and acts weird
>love interest is overly designed
>cats
My main beef is how Bee acts.
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>people have different tastes
whoa
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So Jim Thirlwell with The Venture Bros ain't gonna get any love?
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>>77639755
>The way I see it is that the SU fanbase just got too convoluted that they became oblivious to other shows exsisting

That's such a blanket statement. It's just Pitchfork riding the popularity of a show.
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>>77639755
I can't get past that show's character design.
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>>77639826
>It's just Pitchfork riding the popularity of a show.
Is SU really popular outside of 4chan & Tumblr? I haven't seen it anywhere outside of these sites.
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>>77639724
>You don't see how it is wrong to be running around, flirting up a ton of people and then just ignore them because you were never even interested in them in the first place?
We never got to see what Dipper did after, all we got to see was him being excited and then getting forced into a bad situation. These were women he didn't know if he'd ever see again, and rightfully wouldn't have if not for a shitty deus ex.
>Imagine you get talked up by some chick in a library and you exchange contact data and you think this could be a thing because you don't talk up someone in the library if you don't care, then you find her talking up every single guy in the library before mooning over a picture of a celebrity.
This isn't even close to what happened. Folks get numbers all the time, doesn't mean it's serious, at least not until it gets serious. And they didn't see Dipper do shit, these were all women at different locations.
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>>77639676
People also overlook that they never endorse fat characters as in any way better for it.
Grag and Steven are just not athletic and Amethyst is shown to be fat due to emotional issues she compensates with over-eating. Or she would be if she was a human. As is, she does it properly to show off how much of a slob she is.
Generally, SU seems to ascribe body shape to the nature of families for the human characters.
Sadie's mom has a similar figure to her daughter, for example.
Or the Maheswaran's all being rather trim and sporting.
Onion looks simlar to his father, too.

I think, if anything, SU is overall trying to show people as non-idealized human beings with very human flaws that are part of who they are. Which includes that people have non-ideal body shapes. Nobody gets applaus for just existing, though.
And nobody is getting condemned for identity-political reasons.
On the contrary, everyone makes mistakes and makes questionable decisions which tend to have consequences.
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>>77639859
It's becoming the new hottopic thing so there's that
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They're right. SU's score is excellent. Really the only reason I watched the show. I think something about the score and the setting just makes the whole thing feel really chill.
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>>77639859
Pitchfork is riding SU's popularity in teen websites, yes. Plus, slap the word progressive and your article is good to go.

I actually don't mind the progressiveness of the show (in terms of body types and race). Websites doing articles on such things just like to slap that around so they can get brownie points for writing about it.
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>>77639755
>The way I see it is that the SU fanbase just got too convoluted that they became oblivious to other shows exsisting
Yeah, that's the sad thing about it. Other cartoons are violent, progressive, "get away with shit", well-written, have great production, etc, but because a lot of the people who are interested in animation as a passion choose to ignore things outside of the "Popular Tumblr Circle" (Homestuck, Gravity Falls, Kill La Kill, Steven, Rick & Morty, Korra etc), they never see it, so they just assume something like Steven is the most revolutionary thing on television.

Clone Wars has way more brutal and graphic death moments for a kids cartoon, but nobody gives a shit. Pig Goat Banana Cricket has some FANTASTIC animation moments from time to time, again, no one gives a shit because it wasn't made by Pen Ward or Rebecca Sugar or any Adventure Time ex-board artist.

It's like how Dan VS. was pretty refreshing for a kids cartoon, but everyone paid attention to ponies and exclaimed, "CARTOONS ARE FINALLY GOOD AGAIN, HOORAY!".
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>>77639901
I think it's more because of the implied lesbian space rocks. People still don't understand gay things exist, so then the show gets more scrutiny.

Starwars clone wars was great but I got sick of Ahsoka orangetits. Really liked the clone trooper episodes though.
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>>77639863
The only difference is more space inbetween the encounters.
And at that age, you very quickly imagine things to get rather serious.
I'm not saying they were very rational about that, but Dipper just looked bad when all those girls suddenly turned up and it's been like two or three days between all those encounters.
I can't understand how you do not find it wrong to get up the hopes of all those girls as an exercise.
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>>77639881
>People also overlook that they never endorse fat characters as in any way better for it.
This. SU actually shows that people can also get different body types, and that's it. The show never endorses how cool one body type is.

Also, why do people attack SU for the body types of its characters, when other shows have fat and thin characters too? People just need to justify their hate towards the show.

Again, it's fine to dislike the show. It's when pulling bullshit arguments like "the show is promoting fat acceptance" that irk me. Why does nobody complain the shit Lars pulled when he was stuck in that island with Sadie and Steven?
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>>77639980
>Why does nobody complain the shit Lars pulled when he was stuck in that island with Sadie and Steven?
What did he do? Sadie trapped them there, I thought that was the only episode ever where Lars did nothing wrong
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>>77639901
It's marketing, anon. It happens all the time.

People think Frozen was the hottest shit when Lilo and Stitch did it first. All you have to do is inform people.
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>>77639956
Because when you're on a trip, and you don't expect to see these people again it doesn't matter.

It was a hyper unrealistic example and poorly executed. I've had that same stuff happen to me when I was a kid, you don't expect things to get serious unless you wanna get dissapointed.

There's a myriad of ways they could've conveyed that message and they did so in the most ham fisted of ways .

It also doesn't say anything about how badly he was treated by his sister and her friends who forced him to go out with a girl he didn't like. A girl who didn't even like him until he started to gain confidence.
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>>77639901

I saw a SU fan doing a mad rant about how great the show was because it had a character be punished for a mistake and then forgiven.

Like, fucking basic writing hailed as amazing. I was all "wut"
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>Like this show
>Can never have a casual conversation about it with anyone because people like cartoons are fucking autistic
Fuck man
I mean, I can talk about Mr. Robot to someone, and it'll be cool

But If I try and talk about this show, everyone starts jerking off about their favorite ship which honestly doesn't matter to story outside of garnet and steven and connie.
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>>77640002
Lars suddenly talked about being lonely and kissed Sadie.

There's nothing wrong with characters kissing, but the whole setup felt really inappropriate for a kid's show.

As an adult it was a fucking good scene because it's so true with a lot of adults. We go through crowds and hang out with people, but inside we're lonely and yearn for a certain kind of companionship and intimacy, and that's when Lars kissed Sadie (like, tackle kiss and they fell to the ground, I think). But I was watching it with little kids and that scene was awkward as fuck and I didn't know how to explain that.
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>>77640029
That's because of the waifu posting anon. Honestly cartoons are no different than live action shit, except one is animated.
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>>77640029
>like this show
>ask a friend to try it
>friend never tries it, probably because of the tumblr rep

I just want to talk about the show with a friend
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>>77638409
Hating, because it shares the same level of sperg reactions as Anti-TTG or the Say Uncle episode of SU.
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It's true. Rebecca Sugar is cool and has many talents.
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>>77640007
>Lilo and Stitch did it firs
L&S was a huge merch train though. Theatrical film, tv series, around four DTV sequels, plus its own anime.

I do get what you mean, but at least L&S got the recognition it deserved. SU gets overly recognized for its achievements that aren't exclusive to the show. Even Clarence and Paranorman managed to have characters, even if it was a side joke, be openly gay and not dance around the term and say, "O-oh, but they're not HUMAN lesbians, they're ALIEN lesbians! Don't censor us, please!".

To me, something like Clarence is way better at slice-of-life, relatable characters, and having gray morals in their stories than Steven, but Steven still gets the praise for it. And a big part of it, I know, is that Sugar's name is attached to it, Lord be praised "First solo woman creator", and people hyping her up and like you said, marketing, but it's still annoying to see it. I think that's why a lot of people, myself include, scoff when people praise SU as being the best thing ever made. We're not really scoffing at the show but, the praise. And yeah
>get mad at cartoons

I mean, I fucking love cartoons and I want to discuss them, I'm not going to be happy all the time, shit can annoy me too, /co/.
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>>77640073
I had a friend who got me into it, then later said he didn't like it because it was pushing an agenda.

When I asked him what he was talking about it didn't make any sense. He takes /pol/ too seriously sometimes I think, but then, so do i.
>>77640033
kids get a lot more than you give em credit for, they just need a bit more explaining sometimes.
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>>77640073
>>77640112
>friends
Fuck off normalfags.
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>>77640112
How do I explain that to a 5 year old. That shit came out of nowhere.
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>>77640002
He was being a selfish child and was dependent on Sadie to man the fuck up.
He just further cements how much of an insecure whiny bitch he is and just how weak a character.
Which Sadie doesn't see up to that moment later in the series where she finds he betrayed her trust massively.

>>77640022
You must have misunderstood that in the nuance of it.
Most shows would do that in, maybe two episodes where it hardly comes up because other things happen. And then they get over it or make amends in a sweeping gesture.
In SU that was an arc and the fuckup completely poisoned the relationships between the characters.
The resolution actually took several episodes between them being on talking terms again and forgiveness being earned step by step.

The praise is not about spats and forgiveness being a thing, but about their portrayal and execution.

>>77640080
>cool
She is many things. Cool is not among them.
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>>77640121
If they don't get it and are bored by it, then let them watch something simpler. Don't gotta punish the smart 9+ year olds because of your precious 5 year old.
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>>77640093
>We're not really scoffing at the show but, the praise
That's understandable. I don't think SU is all that but I still enjoy it

>we
I hope that's the case for the rest, too.
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She's pretty disgusting, and her boyfriend looks like a caricature.

But that is of course completely irrelevant to her work, which is completely and utter trash.
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>>77640154
>used to be friends with Ian around 2004
>see this
IAN WHAT HAPPENED BRO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ATE AN ENTIRE TUMBLR
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>>77640139
I'm not saying to take that scene off. In my earlier replies, I was saying why people are complaining about the show's body types than other riskier stuff like Lars' scene.

I'm just surprised they're worked up on something so trivial, like body types, when other cartoons have fat characters too. And I was just saying that if people want to complain, I can understand them complaining about that Lars scene than fucking fat body types.

Why has this devolved into me removing a scene for smart 9 year olds jesus christ.
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>>77640176
Success and happy relationships will do that do you unless you're careful.

Much love to him for standing up to the SJW bullies after zamiigate.
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>>77640154
He looks like a taller Gary Coleman
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>>77640131
>The resolution actually took several episodes between them being on talking terms again and forgiveness being earned step by step.
But even for normal writing standards, this level of continuity was at the most basic of level. It was five episodes back-to-back, it wasn't a shift over the course of a season which would've been way more impressive. And each episode was 11 minutes long, that's about an hour's worth of content. Less than a movie's worth of "continuity" happening. And they all aired in a single week as a marathon. And the only episodes that really mattered with the first and last. The second in the Garnet-Hates-Pearl Bomb was more about finally being able to see Ruby and Sapphire than about Pearl and Garnet. The other two just referenced the fight but never built on it.

Really, the relationship played out like:
>Pearl upsets Garnet
>Garnet gives Pearl silent treatment
>Garnet gives Pearl silent treatment
>Garnet gives Pearl silent treatment
>Garnet and Pearl make up

But people really think this was the fucking hottest shit because of muh lore. If the fucking fans of Steven would broaden their horizons of cinema and TV outside of Doctor Who, they'd see this is the simplest fucking writing shit someone could possibly do. Sitcoms like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air had more character growth than this.
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>show made for literal babies has giant mentally short adult audience as well

first time this has ever happened right
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>Friends are obsessed with the show
>Don't like it cause it looks like tumblr pandering garbage and anything that tries to pander to one group isn't for me unless it panders to the group I'm in like Free!
>the fanbase tries to get someone to kill themselves

And that's why I'll never watch the show. Worst fanbase to pop up in recent history except maybe Undertale.
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Despite Pitchfork being a literally fucking who for me, i agree. SU has some great music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVKaOgX3fgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuLAHwrJwrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOJIl2lx0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYZwFI4yIRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWtkofUmGiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7dmHmNoL2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiY_AA9BPkQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhOusGdMVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXcholR828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYxlk9HsTD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akk40fqmLKs
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>>77640349
Worst fanbase to pop up in recent history except maybe Undertale.

Undertale, Steven, Adventure Time, Homestuck, it's all the fucking same at this point.
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>>77640349
>I can't enjoy something because other people enjoy it too

I for one can't stand adorable animals because of the Nazi's stance on them.
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>>77640349
I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but I do hope you would try the show just to confirm what you think.

Free! explicitly panders to the female fanbase and people who like male skin in general, yes.

But what group do you think SU panders on? And why is a handful of people's actions reflect the rest and the show itself?
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>>77640459
Guess what faggot, things can influence other things. Unless you live under a rock, it's hard to live a life where you judge everything based on its solo merit of what it is.

If your mother came up to you and yelled FUCK YOU in your face every time you made a peanut butter sandwich, you would hate peanut butter sandwiches as an adult.

People who don't get that cancer fanbases can turn people off the products they're a fan of just show how socially stunted they are and how much time they spend on /co/ rather than talking to real people.
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>>77640459
I can't enjoy it because it's tumblr shit. Can you not read or something? Also as for Undertale it's because the devs are assholes and I refuse to support them.
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>>77640510
Not that anon and I don't have a tumblr or even visit the site, but can you expound on the tumblr shit? Just curious.
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>>77640361
I chose one of those links at random and I got to say, it was just a generic and uninspired melody on a piano that sounded like something out of a slice of life anime, with a hint of that woefully overdone Yann Tiersen melancholy that is so popular with hipsters these days. I hope for your sake the show is better than its music.
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>>77640506
In that case one should blame the mother, not the sandwich. After all, it did nothing wrong to deserve that hate.
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>>77637599
The saddest part is I agree, but I don't think the songs are super good or anything. The songs on SU are certainly better than the trash music from Adventure Time, but they're nothing to write home about either.
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>>77638409
Both, cartoons are for children and spending any time thinking about them is a complete waste.
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>>77637599
god what a hideous jewbeast
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>>77637599
Why does she have a blacker nose than I do?
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I personally want SU to go in a more action-based direction because right now it's CNs only chance for a action show.
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>>77640460
>I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but I do hope you would try the show just to confirm what you think.

I did watch a few episodes while I was held up in a hotel for a month after a house fire last year and I thought it was mediocre at best. Nothing to write home about or obsess over so much you want others dead for drawing your favorite characters the wrong way.

>But what group do you think SU panders on?

tumblr

>And why is a handful of people's actions reflect the rest and the show itself?

Because this is the internet and that's how the internet works. One person in a group does something and they all get blamed for it. I blame school teachers for this mentality since they're the ones who taught people my age that kind of reasoning and logic is okay. I just do it because everyone else does and it's fun to make fans of something I don't like upset.
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>>77640361
All sounds like something from a jrpg.
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>>77640698
Action shows are dead anon. CN has neither the budget nor patience for them, and it doesnt look like the other networks are interested anyway. Give it like, 5-8 years
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>>77640557
>video game references
>anime references
>a deep lore world basically inspired by nostalgic video games, Dragonball Z, and Sailor Moon
>aggressive LGBT themes (Fusion has turned into a battle technique to muh love)
>constant shipping fuel
>chiptunes music
>every other episode is "deep relationship drama" (Crying & Singing Universe)
>a town where everyone is a different shape, size, and race, living in perfect harmony like the Burger King Kids Club (Fun fact, that doesn't happen in small towns)
>creator is a woman

Only thing missing really is red triangle noses.
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>>77639750
>If it's actually a tumblr-influenced show, the MC wouldn't be a boy.
Yeah it's a boy... a fat boy with pink color coded powers, who likes to turn into a girl and crossdresses unironically. 100% sure he'll go full hermaphrodite once he learns how to shapeshift.
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>>77640698
>Capshit will never have a male protag as qt as Takeru or ToQ 1.

This is why I love Tokusatsu. It's the only place we can have cute male super heroes.

>tfw thought he was gonna be some edgy faggot from that promo video before Ghost aired
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>>77640729
I would be fine with waiting, the amount of comedy shows on compared to the amount of action shows is sad

It's like 20-0
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>>77640679
Well first of all she isn't a mouse.
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>>77640713
>ver so much you want others dead for drawing your favorite characters the wrong way.
I think it was mentioned above, but the suicide thing was more about tumblr's problem than SU. This isn't the first time tumblr has harassed and bullied someone for the sake of social justice.

Yeah the show can be mediocre. It really isn't like the second coming of jesus christ or some shit like that. But I just asked you a couple of questions because of how narrow-minded you sound like. And you're even aware of it.
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>>77640734
He has a boner for the curry girl, so I doubt.

Some SJW tumblr blogger actually ranted on twitter, if I remember correctly, about how the MC is a boy.

And to be fair with pink, it was a boy's color before. I'll give the crossdressing though, that whole episode was just fucking odd.
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Yeah, that seems about right. If there's one thing Pitchfork loves, it's damning individual works with faint praise in order to make a broader point.
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>>77640154
good to know you put two unrelated statements together and failed to support either of them
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>>77640898
You forgot the tran-ehrm fusion episode with Connie
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Lets be real here who would fuck Rebecca
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>>77641433
I would.
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>>77641433
I am not gay anon
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>>77641433
She's cute and talented, who wouldn't?
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>rebecca had an Invader Zim OC
>She draw weird shota porn
>Ends up having a show that draws shota and create OC
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>>77641477
>cute
No.
>talented
Debatable.
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>>77641433
Only if she puts a paper bag over her head first...
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>>77641433
She's ugly. Also >3dpd
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>>77641554
>cute
Debatable.
>talented
Yes.

>>77641433
I bet Rebecca's Sugar tastes Sweet
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>>77641554
You don't think she's cute? More for us then.
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>>77641554
Nah, she's cute. Just compare her to the landwhales hoarding most of the X chromosomes.

She has her own television show on Cartoon Network at the age of, what, 26? She has talent.
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>>77641601
There's no talent in ripping off anime and doing the trite "human flaws are beautiful" moral.
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>>77637787
Becca really likes the taste of vagina. Watch her cartoons some time - it's pretty obvious.
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>>77641543
>bloobloo muh morals
Did ya know that back in the day, Disney animators used to draw porn of their characters all the time as a joke?
Not everyone can be a saint Anon.
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>>77641625
>ripping off anime
>homages are rip-offs now
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>>77641625
I'm talking about her music not really the show
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>>77641609
>She has her own television show on Cartoon Network at the age of, what, 26? She has talent.

Or she's damn lucky. Don't forget how much luck is played into this industry. There are hundreds of animation pilots that deserve to be picked up but never are. Almost all the new shows on CN right now are from board artists who used to work on Adventure Time. Sugar was one of the most popular board artists on AT, so it stands to reason, from an executive decision, to hear a pitch from her and to try and create "another Adventure Time".

Why do you think Natashi got to make Bee and Puppycat despite having so little experience, talent, and a voice of her own? Knowing Pen Ward takes you a long fucking way.
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>>77637599
Why is she trying so hard to look like a 17 year old boy?
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>>77641639
>Disney animators used to draw porn of their characters all the time as a joke?
>Porn of princesses
>A joke

vs.

>Porn of little boys
>Done to satisfy one's own fetish
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>>77637599
It bothers me so much that her face looks like a little boys face. Jesus Christ, every time I scroll past this thread in the index, I get triggered. My autism is acting the fuck up, what the hell is up with her fucking head, goddamn.
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I disagree, saying that Rebecca Sugar's music is the best undermines so many better lyricist and composers who create amazing pieces but aren't really credited heavily for their art. I must ask what honestly makes Steven Universe's music better than the vast majority of music heard on television?

I say television because the writer credits the show as having "the best music on tv." What about the scores on television shows like The Flash or The Walking Dead? Both shows have a very large following comparable to Adventure and Steven Universe and yet no one is writing home how they have the best music.

I can't really tell the writer's intent in the article, he doesn't necessarily come off as biased just a bit ignorant. As for myself, I enjoy Steven Universe's soundtrack and it's okay. It's not bad but isn't that good. I applaud the various different styles used in the show, but it's not as brilliant as people would have you to believe.
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>>77641676
She has talent and lots of people with as much talent aren't as successful as her, is what you mean.
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>>77641676
Man I can't wait until current SU boarders get their own shows.
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>>77641726
your opinion needs example music to back it up

yes I'm just looking for excuses to request new music to listen to
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>>77641718
This is really stretching it, anon. All artists draw porn with "joke" as a veil but it's all for fetish.

Pick another reason to hate on Rebecca.
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>>77641718
Have some proof that she really was a sick fuck and not just a misaimed yaoi fangirl?
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>>77641726
It's just a website riding the popularity of a cartoon. I like the show but I don't think its music is that great. I like the music but the article is obviously just asking for brownie points.
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>>77641771
Have proof she isn't?
All we're supplied with is her fanart, your assumptions could be as accurate as mine. We don't know what's going on her head.
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>>77641718
>>77641787
Anon we are all sick in the head.
Ian a futa fag and Rebecca is a shotafag
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>>77641676
That's true, but her luck doesn't negate her talent.
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>>77639748
>literally steal

I imagine you know you should be ashamed of yourself.
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>>77641787
If she's just drawing artwork and not raping IRL people, she no sicker than the average Anon.
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>>77641818
Yea I actual would like porn of Rebecca sugar
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You know, it's really okay to dislike a show.

But it makes me laugh how people use the most bullshit excuse to justify their hate boner for the show.

The SU fags in /trash/ are embarrassing as well.
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>>77641757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mq34sdtxlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rhgcPmWPOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGnWzdDAXu0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFctQMCs3k4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5i-sbh7UCw
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>>77641830
I would like to cuddle her tenderly.
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>>77641830
>Porn of Rebecca
>Ukulfuckme
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>>77641802
Yeah, just because cutesy anime scribbles gives you dokis it doesn't mean that you're a sick fuck irl
Is not like she's hurting anyone just because it makes you uncomfortable...
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>>77641802
Ian is a futafag? Proof?
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>>77641869
Anon is just looking for an excuse to justify hating someone.
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>>77639659
>I don't get why this show is considered Tumblr.

Here's the run down:
>Forced Lesbian Relationships
>headmates (Garnet)
>explicitly having no gender binary with the Gems for some reason
>a fetishization of serious moments and emotions for the sake of it (forced drama/ "feels")
>Stevonnie
>Steven technically being a transgender
>"progressive" crossdressing
>a bunch of shitty ukulele songs
>50% of the cast is fat
>shipping bait with every character
>interracial dating

etc etc
There's more I'm probably forgetting but that's the gist of it.
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>>77641876
It was on twitter, it was after Ian said that Rose made a womb for Steven.
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>>77641851
I meant music from other shows, I already posted a bunch of the best SU stuff in the not-as-shitposted SU thread up >>77640223
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>>77641893
what? no fresh pasta?
I'm not eating this
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>>77641771
She used to draw porn of Joel Hodgson kissing and humping Crow and Tom Servo

And now he works on her show
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>>77641806
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8cLe9ZUh1w
https://youtu.be/6XGpB3iPckg
https://youtu.be/XG93NDv96os

I could re-upload these with the Steven Universe logo and put in the title "SU LOST TRACKS" and people would believe me.
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>every day I can check the /co/ catalog and am guaranteed to find another Steven Universe victim complex thread

MLP wasn't this bad.

No, not an exaggeration.

MLP really wasn't this bad.
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>>77639748
I can't speak for the others, but have you actually heard sonic music? you can hear bits and pieces of other songs in it.

and I wouldn't consider them copying, just that all art is derivative
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>>77641970
if you stopped shitposting they'd just stick to their generals; y'all bringing this on yourselves
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>>77641936
That's not pasta you idiot.
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>>77637599
wow that is one ugly person
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>>77637698
>this mad over a cartoon
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>>77641970
>MLP wasn't this bad.
No, you amnesiac faggot. SU or any current cartoon will never fucking top what MLP did to /co/ and this entire site. SU is a fucking game compared to that time.

Stop using bullshit reasons to justify your hate on this fucking show. You're just giving it more attention.
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>>77642001
You guys are supposed to be banned. And once a janitor stop masturbating in some waifushit thread and sees this one, it's gonna 404.
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I love Steven Universe. It's one of my favorite cartoons and the music is enjoyable.

I don't give a shit if it's sjw or tumblr or whatever, and even if it was, who the fuck cares as long as it's well-written?

I don't know why you guys make such a big deal out of it. Did SJWs shot your dog and murdered your entire family or something? Grow up.
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>>77642052
I like how you automatically assumed I was associated with them
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>>77642048
Really, it's funny how you faggots flip back and forth about how people who hate SU and /sug/ effect the show, either being a "vocal minority" that changes nothing or too many people giving attention to something.
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>>77641968
I'm not saying they didn't even take influence to a degree that is immoral. I'm saying you're spreading misinformation because you don't like a show.

>>77641970
>>77642048

Just like with SU, Homestuck and MLP the problem isn't the cancerous generals. It's that everyone not participating in the circlejerk demonizes it constantly, bringing it up out of the blue for no reason.

If you've got a hundred people talking about the show because they love it and a hundred because they hate it you DOUBLE the amount of discussion.

It happens every time a show gets popular. They have no idea how accurate it is to call it the new MLP because just like MLP it's the autists who refuse to share a board that cause the problems.
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>>77642052
/sug/, the SU general is banned. Discussion of SU is not banned, so long as it won't turn into /sug/ and /sug/ faggotry. Obvious bait threads will 404.

Stop picking bullshit reasons to campaign against the show. The SU faggotry the general created and you baby whiners are a bad combination. You're turning a mediocre show into something that will tear you all apart.
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>>77637599
>Adventure Time", one of the best and most complex pieces of television of the past few years, period, has created an excellent space for music.
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>>77642080
>Did SJWs shot your dog and murdered your entire family or something? Grow up.
No, but they drove my depressed sister to commit suicide.

Faggot.
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>>77642085
You are if you're not pissed at this thread.
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>>77642080
>>77642145

there's a lot of negative effects that extreme SJW views and actions have; however, SU and fans of such aren't really relevant to any of that except that chick on tumblr that got told to kill herself, but I've heard bullshit like that happens in just about every fandom on tumblr

Simply put, it's trendy here in /co/ to blame the tumblr boogeyman, similar to how it's trendy to blame the reddit boogeyman in /v/ and most of 4chan. Whilst both those sites are terrible in my opinion the notion that their community influences mass media and vice-versa is pretty stupid
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>>77642145
wow, that's one pathetic sister you had there desu
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>>77642080
>that filename
YOUR ONE OF THEM
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>>77637599
>http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/963-rebecca-sugars-cartoon-worlds-have-the-best-music-on-tv/

Wait, Sugar is only 28?

Holy shit, I'm almost a decade older than her. What the fuck am I doing with my life?
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>>77642159
excellent use of the no true scotsman fallacy
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>>77637681
The songs are clumsily written(especially in comparison to Over the Garden Wall), but the orchestral score is brilliant.
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>>77642179
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>>77642105
> Discussion of SU is not banned, so long as it won't turn into /sug/ and /sug/ faggotry
And that's impossible, which is why they moved to >>>/trash/

>The SU faggotry the general created and you baby whiners are a bad combination.
>deRpA dOO LOok aT mE I'm tHe fAgGy fEnCeSItteR

Please go back to your fucking Marvel Heroes threads if you're "above" this shit.
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>>77642177
>I don't know what Google Image Search is
I personally change all of my filenames because it makes them easier to find, but some people don't.
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>>77642093
>moving goalposts
You were wrong with the MLP thing. And this >>77642097. The /sug/ faggots and the anti-sug are just forming into one huge group of autists.

SU can be discussed in any /co/ threads if it's relevant. General faggotry stay in the general. Don't like the show? Ignore those who discuss SU and ignore the general.

I don't want /co/'s threads to turn into SU waifu faggotry like in the general or bitching about SU.
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>>77641953
Living the dream!

>Hey Joel, take this Tom Servo replica. If you want to come back next season, you know what you have to do...
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>>77642177
It's where I get most of Steven Universe fanart, yes.

>>77642166
Agreed.
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>>77642188
You're either a Steven Universe fan or you're not.
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>>77642244
>And that's impossible
SU discussion threads were actually possible. Just learn to ignore it.

So you'd rather shit up /co/? You want it to turn into /v/, is that it?

>deRpA dOO LOok aT mE I'm tHe fAgGy fEnCeSItteR
You even suck at shitposting.
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>>77638689
Yea, one of the most retarded things I've ever heard, whoever wrote this article is a complete faggot
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>>77642005
What is that supposed to prove? There's no mention that this guy ever consumed loli manga, and even if he did, he's be the exception, not the rule.

>>77642179
Posting on 4chan, it seems.

Which reminds me, time for me to get offline and start cleaning.
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>>77642080
I think the writing leaves some to be desired, but the music is really good. I think people underestimate the impact music has. I just wish there was more like https://youtu.be/kWgqFk_6KR4
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>>77642310
no shit?

I never said I was though, you just assumed it.
What is even the point of this discussion?
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>>77642246
I haven't talk about MLP once in this thread, I jumped in at >>77642093

>SU can be discussed in any /co/ threads if it's relevant.
Yeah we can talk about when discussing the shittiest cartoons

>General faggotry stay in the general.
The general is banned.

>Ignore those who discuss SU and ignore the general.
Why do I have to ignore them? Maybe they stop being so gay and intrusive so I don't get pissed off at them. There's only so many times you can hide a new post.
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What are you guys trying to prove by arguing? Like I'm legitimatly curious, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
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>>77642441
But the reality of things is that SU is a cartoon. And /co/ is a cartoon and comics board.

The generals are banned because the show is on hiatus. It will come back eventually. The /sug/ faggots will have to stay in their general with their waifu faggotry.

As for you, stop whining like a baby. Not everyone likes everything here in /co/ and you will only look ridiculous every time you get triggered. It's just a fucking cartoon.
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>>77642352
>What is that supposed to prove?
Google "PaulandAmy"

>and even if he did, he's be the exception, not the rule.
Finding drawings of underage children in the harddrives of pedos started happening so often that Bush had to sign a new law about it (Protect Act of 2003)
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When?
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>>77642441
Same reason you have to ignore every other show you don't like? Because the board was not made to cater to you and you exclusively but for the discussion of all comics and cartoons?

>>77642246
I'm the one who was talking about MLP and 'youre wrong' isn't an argument against anything.
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>>77642551
It's fun.

Do you hate FUN, anon? Are you /v/? Have some fun or leave us alone.
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>>77637599
>best music on TV

NO!

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I SEE
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>>77640349

The thing that always bugs me about this is that most of the SU fanbase had nothing to do with this. In fact, it was the "super SJW" types. But instead of everyone going "wow, look how awful Tumblr is, just like we thought, I'm sure glad we're not that bad", people saw what happened and got "all SU fans, no matters where they come from, want little girls to commit suicide".
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>>77642441
I hate Star vs but I'm not going to go into every star vs thread and whine about how much I hate them.
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>>77641893
>>Forced Lesbian Relationships
It's not forced, it just is.
>>headmates (Garnet)
fusion, I think you're visiting tumblr too much.
>>explicitly having no gender binary with the Gems for some reason
Aliens don't have to have a gender, they're like female namekians nobody complained about that
>>a fetishization of serious moments and emotions for the sake of it (forced drama/ "feels")
"fetishization of serious emotions and drama" what other kinda drama would there be? Happens as naturally as it can.
>>Stevonnie
Again, that's you bringing in your baggage
>>Steven technically being a transgender
same as above, I think you might visit tumblr more than you post here
>>"progressive" crossdressing
There's not a cartoon on television I can't name without a degree of this, you're grasping at straws
>>a bunch of shitty ukulele songs
straws
>>50% of the cast is fat
This is wrong, it also doesn't make it tumblr
>>shipping bait with every character
again, your baggage
>>interracial dating
this has been a thing in capeshit for the past two decades, besides Steven and connie are both brown

Most of your "examples of tumblr" is just you projection tumblr on to the screen and reading into shit that ain't there.

To be honest it's all fairly innocuous unless the creators state otherwise. The only thing that was even remotely close to that was Ian saying how if they were humans the gems (in the question posed) would be considered gay.
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>>77642584
In this case, you were really wrong when you said this whole SU and /sug/ thing is worse than mlp back then. MLP was like world war for 4chan and the site had to be annexed. SU/sug is a squabble.

>>77642591
It's just a faggot music website riding the popularity of a cartoon and using the progressive label to get points
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Wow. I certainly didn't expect to read this this morning.

I hope that this opens up the conversation on music in kids cartoons. SU is really just one among many with fantastic music.
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>>77642376
You know what?
SU's music is actually really good when it's not ruined by shitty singing
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>>77642617
This. It's a wasted potential. It's the one thing people can write about tumblr and how horrid a lot of bloggers are in the name of social justice. People are focusing on a trivial cartoon instead.
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>>77642551
People here hate or watch it, there's little middle ground. Of course there'd be debate. The same shit happened with that black&blue or white&gold dress a while back. Since people saw it as one or the other, they couldn't see how people could look at the same thing, and see it differently than they did.
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>>77642725
I'm sure that there is a middle ground, it's just that people aren't interested in covering it. Frankly, making strong, controversial claims gets you replies and visibility around here. It's annoying, but it can't be helped
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Question, do you people agree with the written article? If so can you explain? This also goes for the people who disagree with the article as well.
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>>77642326
>SU discussion threads were actually possible
They've never been possible because general threads don't discuss anything. It's people pinning their identity onto a cartoon because they nothing going on in their lives.

>So you'd rather shit up /co/?
Banning /hsg/ and /frz/ made /co/ better, and so will completely banning /sug/, fencesitter-kun.

>>77642558
>The generals are banned because the show is on hiatus.
That's the excuse, they really want to ban them because they're annoying. Star had a bunch of hiatuses from what I recall and they're still allowed to post because they're not huge faggots and keep to themselves.
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>>77638409
Before this thread I probably would've said both are equally bad but after seeing this thread, and keeping people like Barneyfag in mind, I'd have to say hating is for sure the greater of two evils. At least people who obsessively like the show can make friends and have a good time with other autists who also like the show. It's something positive, even if I don't like it. The people in the various generals at least seem happy, whatever misery their lives are wrought with seems at least partially placated through SU, Gravity Falls, Frozen, whatever. The people who hate it on an obsessive level, however, are just miserable people spreading misery. Spewing bile, purely for it's own sake.

For fucks sake man, it's just not healthy. Like this guy >>77637698 people like him need help. No matter how shitty something is, it's still just a cartoon. That kind of obsessive anger can't be good.
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>>77642765
I'm a newfag and I'm already tired of how easily /co/ takes the bait.
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>>77637599
her music really is fucking nice, even if it is a bit samey
i was reminded lately of how bad music usually is in kids' shows in a recent episode of colorful horse. Their music started out surprisingly good, then okay, then confusingly meh in a 'why bother' kind of way, and now it's fucking bleh
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>>77642617
Not to mention that while 4chan and 9gag and other places on the internet talked a big game about retaliating for zamiigate, it was non-SJW tumblr users who went on the offensive and filled tumblr with politically incorrect SU fanart.
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>>77642779
There's a thread up talking about SU right now.
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I am greatly disappointed that everyone that has challenged the article's views in the OP has not posted any fucking music, I came here hoping to listen to some jams not see anons bitch about jems
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>>77642097
this guy fucking gets it
>>77641968
what about paper mario?
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I can't wait for the next show that pisses /co/ off to arrive in a few years. I'll sit there and eat my salad laughing and watch it happen all over again.
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>>77637698

Good. Good. Let the hatred flow through you.
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>>77642779
>They've never been possible
I saw a SU thread yesterday or something and when I checked, the discussion was mostly about the show and its theories and possible season endings. There wasn't a lot of waifu faggotry because most of those faggots are in their /trash/ thread.

/frz/ had to be banned. It's a 2 year old (?) movie with no updates except for the short. Why have a constant general for it? This isn't like that katawa shoujo general. I have no idea about hsg because I don't like it and I don't want to find out about it or whine about it.

>That's the excuse, they really want to ban them because they're annoying
Possibly that, or possibly the SU general fags and anti-general fags form into one shitty ball of autists. But in the end, /sug/ will return because it is a cartoon in a carton and comics board and it is on-going. There is nothing we can do about that.
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>>77642779
>they're not huge faggots and keep to themselves.

Fuck off, /sveg/
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>>77642561
>Finding drawings of underage children in the harddrives of pedos started happening so often that Bush had to sign a new law about it (Protect Act of 2003)

Got a source for that?

Given it's Dubya, it was probably pedopanic propaganda, but I'll give it a look.
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>>77642878
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GI1x_YI4Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDDezMCkTuE
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>>77642097
>Just like with SU, Homestuck and MLP the problem isn't the cancerous generals. It's that everyone not participating in the circlejerk demonizes it constantly, bringing it up out of the blue for no reason.

>If you've got a hundred people talking about the show because they love it and a hundred because they hate it you DOUBLE the amount of discussion.
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>>77637599
>that "Adventure Time", one of the best and most complex pieces of television of the past few years

Time to stop reading.
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>>77642812
>Implying people can't forge connections through things they hate.

I have lots of friends and we all hate the same things and sometimes enjoy talking about how much we don't like it, because we agree on why we don't like it, and that makes us closer.
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>>77642725
Also because the middle ground is too busy enjoying the show to bitch about it here.
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>>77642812
Dude, he's kidding.
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>>77642959
Those don't really sound alike.
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>>77643001
There's a line between talking about it with friends and obsessively talking about a cartoon in a hainanese chicken forum and getting said cartoon banned. And I'm not sure the latter can form friendships.
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>>77641968
>>77642959
>stylistic similarity = plagiarism

reminder that no art is unique, most of music is built upon replicating certain chord structures and melodies, since people like hearing what's familiar
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>>77642441
>Why do I have to ignore them
Because that's how life works, there's shit you don't like and you just ignore it instead of being a whiny little shit.
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>>77643034
Reminder that there was anon (or two?) who started SU threads in different boards, resulting in a scooby doo hallway hijinks with mods and other anons to see where the new SU thread would pop up, just to get SU banned and treated like it was mlp. It failed

Reminder that there was an anon who spent money to pay shitposters to shit up the general and /co/ to get SU banned.

This is no game to them.
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>>77642080
Nope but they do despicable shit like this against undeserving nice people.
http://zamiihatearchive.tumblr.com
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>>77643108
>reminder that no art is unique
No, but good art tries not to be so obvious with their influences. Land Before Time isn't original either, but at least it wasn't trying to ride the coattails of Disney like Anastasia did.

Looking back at all of Sugar's other comic works, this show barely feels like Sugar's vision. Most of this feels like it's riding hard on game and anime nostalgia. The only part that feels like Sugar is the drama crying and ukulele songs.
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Based on current info I can guess that (without CN making RS extend the show) SU will end sometime in 2017-18
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Why do people get so defensive of this show? What makes it so special that people can't speak ill of it and others treat it like a sacred cow? The amount of conservative people in this thread is astonishing. Never have I seen something like this outside of Disney and Pony fags.
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>>77643211
I think most people forget that Sugar is working with Ian on this, and Ian also has a different style on treating things. Plus, you get the other people (storyboarders, writers, etc) who pitch in ideas that change Sugar's vision (like the video camera thing where Rose is now holding it to record; Sugar wanted Greg to record Rose).
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>>77643187
Wow....
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>>77643167
Really I actually never heard of that story before.
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>>77643267
Actually, quickly browsing the thread, people use bullshit reasons to whine about the show. Hardcore SU fags are sensitive and will treat the show like a sacred cow.

Like that anon said, it's two groups of autists meshed into one shitty ball of autists.

You can actually speak ill of the show. The art style is nothing great, the animation quality changes, and it's a really slow burn show. If don't like dramatic/crying in the show or songs, then you will absolutely hate this show.
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>>77643211
that's just, like, your opinion man

I feel a fair amount of the show's music is unique in style. Take this track for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaSTcCUFBRo

of course, you're free to disagree, as musical taste is about the most subjective of all the art forms. Conversely, I could agree if you were referring to the songs themselves (which are largely mediocre to me) and not the background music (as fairly sure Sugar only helps write the songs and doesn't really do any of the bgm), but your posted music was comparable to the background music.

Regardless, it's evident to me that there's significantly more effort put into the music than a lot of other shows (especially compared to cartoons), but feel free to post examples of show music that prove me wrong as I came to this thread to hear some jams anyway.

>>77643267
maybe it's because they'd only like the show enough to want to be associated with the fandom due to an unusual likening to everything about the show? You're practically answering your own question here. There's a fuckload of flaws with the show in my opinion, but there's no reason to discuss them unless you want a circlejerk of hate for whatever reason.
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>>77637918
>Barneyfags actually think this is good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXhcekI7lp4
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>>77642779
>they're not huge faggots and keep to themselves.
Keep telling yourself that, the /sug/ does keep to itself, I never see it in any other thread unless it's a "post x kind of character" thread, or a troll trying to start shit with a su character as the op.
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>>77643327

Spamming on other boards was about a month ago, more or less in response to people pointing out that SU wasn't as bad as MLP because MLP was spammed on every board.

I do mean every. I'm talking threads on places like /o/ without even pretending to be on topic.

Don't know when the paid shitposting thing went down, but I've seen a couple screenshots over the last day or two.
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>>77643307
>people focus on the cartoon and its fans to blame this
>not focusing on tumblr and blaming them

This isn't tumblr's first bullying case in the name of the sjw crusade. Why are people blaming a fucking children's show and not write about how dysfunctional and worrisome that website is?
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>>77642646
>It's not forced, it just is.
It's forced. Especially recently with Peridot and Amethyst, which also acts as shipping bait because they can't be assed to write real relationships so resort to ecchi comedy bullshit.

>fusion
A fusion that is literally headmates, there's no denying this.

>Aliens don't have to have a gender
Yet they call each other she and her, look and act like girls, and understand what a male is.

>"fetishization of serious emotions and drama" what other kinda drama would there be?
Melodrama isn't all drama. And it sure as fuck isn't natural in SU since it's in every other episode.
>Again, that's you bringing in your baggage
What "baggage", she's literally Gender Theory: The Character.
>same as above, I think you might visit tumblr more than you post here
Oh, I see what you're trying to do. The old switcheroo tactic of calling me a tumblrite because I'm pointing out of obvious tumblr inspirations in this show, even though that doesn't even take much thought. It's not working.
>There's not a cartoon on television I can't name without a degree of this, you're grasping at straws
So you didn't see that episode, then.
>straws
Denial.
>This is wrong
Steven, Greg, Amethyst, Sadie, Fryman, Onion, Sinbad, Rose
>baggage
More denial from you.
>this has been a thing in capeshit for the past two decades, besides Steven and connie are both brown
Steven is pink and canonically a Secular Jew because he's based on Steven Sugar.
Bringing up Marvel isn't helping your point.

>Most of your "examples of tumblr" is just you projection tumblr on to the screen and reading into shit that ain't there.
It's stuff that's obviously there intentional and you didn't refute anything I said.
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>>77643267
I'm not defensive, I just get sick of seeing
>"IT's A SHIT TUMBLR SHOW HURRR"
eevry five fucking minutes whenver a picture of it is even shown in a relevant thread. It's just as bad as the gb2 reddit/tumblr posting.

Dunno what it is about it, but it's like some kinda covert shit-posting.
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>>77643403
>Keep telling yourself that, the /sug/ does keep to itself
Ironing
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>>77643403
SU does pop up in other threads outside the general, but I notice it's mostly in response to a topic in a thread (like the "post x character" you mentioned). To be fair, it is related to the thread topic. But there would always be someone who gets pissed and accuse SU of drawing attention, when in fact it's a valid answer to a thread about cartoons.
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>>77643434
Wow that's fucking crazy, if anything the constant spamming would probably result in 4chan creating a Steven Universe board specifically for them. By the way do you have any screenshots saved?
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>>77643501
>It's just as bad as the gb2 reddit/tumblr posting
I suddenly remember gb2gaia. I know some people irl who earned money from commissions in gaia. I envied them.
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>>77643482
People have been doing that for years and yet whenever people try to talk about the bad shit on tumblr they get called misogynists, mras, etc. You can even have a tumblr, been using it for years, but you can't talk about the horrible shit that happens there because you're "generalizing".

>>77643307
>Undertale avatar

Undertale is the SU of vidya
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>>77643606
>Undertale is the SU of vidya
It basically is at this point.
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>>77643563
Not that anon, but SU won't get a board because as mentioned, that crossposting thing failed and only exposed faggots who wanted to shitpost on a friday night (i think there's a screenshot in the thread). Like that anon said, it was a response to the claim that SU was, is, and will never be as big as the MLP fiasco that annexed 4chan, so anons who wanted to ban SU tried to copy the MLP thing but they ultimately failed. Think of the failed SU thing as a small burning kindling and the MLP thing years ago as a fucking house fire.
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>>77642179
Sugar's 7 years older than me and is in the same line of work I want to be in, I don't have much time.
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>>77643606
That's too bad. Jesus, I long for the day when journalists will write about the fucked up crazy shit they do there in the name of SJ.
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>>77643671
I legitimately don't believe the Steven Universe fanbase is autistic enough to properly fill up a board. I mean don't get me wrong. They'd fill up 10-15 threads with waifu faggotry and maybe a few music or lore threads but once that's done there wouldn't be anything else to discuss.
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>>77643671
Just stuff them all into one big containment board, a board solely dedicated to Steven Universe, MLP and Barney and Friends.
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>>77643491
I'm going to respond to obvious bait because boredom :^)

>being against lesbians

what is a headmate and why should I care?
SU isn't even the first show to have characters that fuse into mixed forms, so I'm fairly sure this is a moot point to begin with

they both don't have a gender and call each other she and her, so you're both correct. I'm fairly sure the only reason they refer to one another as female is for the sake of convenience to the viewer (I mean what's the alternative? xe and xer? it?)

I agree most of the drama is SU is forced as fuck, but it personally isn't too detrimental to viewing for me

I don't understand why you'd give such as shit about Steveonnie; sure it was a mediocre episode that I don't doubt tumblrtards sucked up hard, but it's a logical step for the show to take

Where the hell did you get the idea that Steven is trans? that's not even remotely implied let alone mentioned in the show or any of its spinoff crap. I guess it could be assumed that Steveonnie could be trans but Steven? No, not at all; though even if you had something to prove this I can't say I care as the show makes no emphasis on it, ever.

While I agree the crossdressing segment was jarring, it's not alien to other shows (Bugs Bunny, and that FoP episode where Timmy becomes Timantha/Trixie is revealed as a tomboy come to mind); however the Sadie's Song episode is utter trash and none of /sug/ even like it. It is the only part of the show that I could see being intended as tumblr pandering, but as I've already mentioned that argument falls flat at the fact other shows have done this before, plus it was done just for comedic effect (even though I didn't find it funny).

The only ukulele song as far as I'm aware is the "Share this Jam" one, whatever it was called, if you know even 1 more of those feel free to post it, not like it even matters in the first place as it's just an instrument.

Who the fuck is Sinbad?

[continued next post]
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>>77643267
Honestly I was wondering why there's so many people defensive AGAINST the show. If someone posts a picture or creates a Steven Universe related thread everyone gets triggered and immediately feels it to be necessary to come in and shut it down, rather than ignoring it or something.
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>>77643748
That was my point, as well. SU fanbase here isn't as big as people make it out. Like that one anon said earlier, the SU fags and anti SU fags lump into one big ball of autists, and they make it all sound like SU is a big thing here when it's not.

>>77643762
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>>77643491
>It's forced. Especially recently with Peridot and Amethyst, which also acts as shipping bait because they can't be assed to write real relationships so resort to ecchi comedy bullshit.
You're not explaining how it's forced you're just syaing it's "echi-bullshit" it's a pretty natural forming relationship.
>Yet they call each other she and her, look and act like girls, and understand what a male is.
The earth ones do, pretty sure the Nameks did this too, you're only scrutinizing it because you want to bring tumblr into this.
>What "baggage", she's literally Gender Theory: The Character.
It's alien weirdness, I saw it as a way to introduce weird sex to kids, you saw it as weird fucking tumblr stuff.
>Oh, I see what you're trying to do. The old switcheroo tactic of calling me a tumblrite
No, it's because you're bringing up terminology I've never even heard of used here and applying it to the show in a way which the creators haven't condoned .
>So you didn't see that episode, then.
Yeah I did, was cringey and boring, plus kids cross dress for shits and gigles and don't think much about it. Still doesn't change the fact plenty of shows did this, and still do this.
>Denial.
It's not, you're just an idiot to think ukelee songs belong exclusively to tumblr, what kind of idiot does that?
>Steven, Greg, Amethyst, Sadie, Fryman, Onion, Sinbad, Rose
That's not half the show and Sinbad ain't fat, unless you're gonna count out of shape people as tumblr fat too. You're cherry picking.
>More denial
No, you just don't have an argument. You're ascribing attributes to things that were not intended from the creators. You're like those people who read into pokemon and think it was some kids coma head trip. There's 4 relationships that are actually in the show, shipping is a fan thing
>It's stuff that's obviously there intentional and you didn't refute anything I said.
It's not intentionally, you just said it was, you have no solid argument here, it's all hearsay.
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>>77643819
>There's 4 relationships that are actually in the show
I assume you mean romantic and not platonic, right?
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>>77640834
>But I just asked you a couple of questions because of how narrow-minded you sound like. And you're even aware of it.

Oh I'm very aware that I'm narrow-minded. I have very little tolerance for a lot of things and I'm the kind of person where everything I watch is a 0/10 until it earns it's points. No automatic 10/10 until it does something to dock a few points.

And again I'm not going to like something that panders to a group I'm not apart of.
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>>77637599
SU does have a great ost.


They somehow invented Magical Girl DrumnBass and it KILLS
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>this thread's on autosage
Kek
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>>77643491
>>77643771
>Who the fuck is Sinbad?

[continued from prev. post]

Anyway, those are the only "fat" characters in the show (some have debated if Rose actually is fat or if it's just muscle and baby-weight, and I don't think Onion looks fat), and the show makes no point of weight being a positive or negative thing, in fact it makes no points regarding weight at all - they're just fat because they are, they aren't depicted as better or worse for it, so this can't even be a complaint.

I won't deny that there's shipping bait, as I truly believe there actually is (though most of /sug/ would probably disagree), so you have a point with that one. It's pretty evident Sugar has a thirst for shipping characters, but shipping is not exclusively tumblr or even synonymous with it

Interracial relationships have been a thing for years, and as much as I'm sure tumblr loves blackwashing characters and interracial relationships, they aren't an inherently tumblr thing either

At the end of the day, though, it's a fucking cartoon; I just watch it for the plot and groovy music, I couldn't care less even if it was "literally tumblr"
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>>77643896
There's no imaginary group. The show even pisses off the tumblr group you imagine of. Just thought to let you know.
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>>77643925
well yeah it is a really transparant bait vs. bait thread, surprised mods don't just delete these really
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>>77643491
>>77641893

This is a bait post right? Regardless I guess I'll take it.
>Forced relationships
Amy and Peridot aren't really a relationship. And most of the other people who like each other and want to be in a relationship are unrequited.
>fusion
In what way. It's basically like Fusion in DBZ.
>Aliens don't have gender
Neither does piccolo. But everyone calls him a He.
>Drama
Yeah SU is very overly dramatic. That's kinda what it's going for and it's fine if you're not into that sort of thing.
>Stevonnie
It's a really weird episode, I'll give you that. It's based on Sugar's high school experience of inexplicably getting a lot of attention in middle and high school when all that's changed is her body. But yeah it's odd.
>Steven is technically a transgender.
Except he's not. He's a reincarnation.
>Crossdressing
Billy and mandy had crossdressing, Camp Lazlo, Dexter, Johnny Bravo, Amazing world of Gumball, Flapjack, Ed Edd n Eddy, MGPAM, Every iteration of a looney tunes show.
Crossdressing is like the oldest trope in animation and comedies in general.
>Ukulele
I like the ukulele. It's relaxing. It's not for everyone though.
>50% of the cast is fat
50% of america is fat. Your point?
>Shipping bait with every character
So? Fans are gonna ship stuff no matter what anyway.
>Interatial dating
It's not the 1940s right?
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>>77644105
>This is a bait post right?
not just bait, pasta that's been dumped on every SU thread as of late

I still replied to it as well just for the fun of it, thread's on autosage anyway
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>>77644105
I really don't get the "aliens don't have gender" argument. If humans were able to come up with an idea of gender so would other sentient species. So species like the Namekians or Gems could but shit like the xenomorphs couldn't.
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>>77644179
>being so retarded you don't understand what pasta is
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>>77640733
I get 100% that all these things are very popular and widespread on tumblr, and that the last years have been a wild ride of fake nostalgia, chiptune, retro games and mustaches, and they were widely popular on tumblr.

But what makes you think "true 4channers" weren't part of that

>retro game board >>>/vr/
>anime board >>>/a/ on an anime imageboard
>people who has lots of time and like dwelling in lore details, eg: >>>/co/gfg/
>lgbt board >>>/lgbt/. And 4chan has been full of faggots forever
>people have liked to masturbate to shipping here too, since day one
>chiptune was a thing for a while, idk if very widespread, but even moot was very close friends with these guys, and was in their video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc3JWo2iiGc
>deep relationship drama IS very tumblr, though
I fucking hate it when the whole town looks the same. I see people say all the time "if blacks want black people on tv, why don't they write them themsels". Well, Ian just did. Rebecca also wrote women who aren't even strong, but emotional bitches. If they were strong women and great leaders all of them, you could call that pandering too.
They are trying to make peace not war, and clearly suck at leadership

yes, it's a very fucking tumblr show. I like it, I never browsed tumblr
I'm a /pol/tard. think of that what you want
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>>77642938
>>77642959
So somewhere between these two posts, this is what made the thread autosage.
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Why are you faggots replying to bullshit whining when the thread's on autosage. No one is reading what you typed now. Those faggots have flown away by now, probably, or would whine at how sensitive the SU fanbase can be.
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>>77644249
Yeah but why would you if there's only one gender and you reproduce by either coughing up eggs or putting rocks in the ground? If you're a monogender species, there is no gender. ie. we wouldn't have a need to make that distinction if we had no idea there was anything but 1.
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>>77644266
I've seen it pasted in numerous threads word-for-word; it's pasta m8
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People who hate on Steven Universe have double digit I.Q's. They spend their time bashing on a popular show with an amazing fan base because they're jealous. Steven Universe has great discussions with thought provoking subject matters pertaining to real world social and political commentaries that the show portrays so accurately, it's that good.

The characters on the show actively teach younger audiences that it's okay to step outside the established gender blockade. These characters are so three dimensional and have personalities that seem so real. It crosses the boundaries between real and fictional.

Like the time Garnet gave Pearl the silent treatment and refused to even interact with her over the basis of something real world like fusion. These are the parallels which make Steven Universe such a marvelous show, nothing is shoehorned, contrived, or written poorly. it stands as the perfect show of the 2010's.

And if you reached this far and haven't realized that this post is simply satire made to mock those in a jaded fan base, and you believe everything here to be true then what's wrong with you?
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>>77643307
Never apologize to SJWs. They just smell blood in the water and attack even harder.

>>77643482
>>77643606
It's not tumblr specifically, it's the SJWs who've infested tumblr who are the problem.

It's like saying /pol/ is all of 4chan. (though honestly /pol/ is a lot more tolerable than SJWs these days.)
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>>77637623
>neckbeard that bitches about children's cartoons
>ever having kids
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>>77644589
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>>77644520
Prove it then

Moe going belly up is the perfect time for you to lie.
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>>77644645
Parents have complained about cartoons corrupting the youth.
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>>77644682
honestly too lazy, so I'll just give the benefit of the doubt and say it's not pasta but just plain old shitty bait
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>>77644589
I don't think we watched the same show, anon
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>>77644814
that doesn't like very white
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>>77644814
Man that picture looks like shit.
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>>77644105
Amy? Fucking AMY? Literally nobody in the entire series has ever called her Amy. That reeks of a fan community living vicariously through a TV series. What, do you have a OC donut steel version of yourself as a Sonic the Hedgehog cast member, as well?
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>>77644402
Just so happens that that species looks exactly like chicks, complete with boobs for no reason, amirite?
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>>77644716
>corrupting the youth

I sincerely hope you're joking. Maybe if the child was locked in a room all fucking day and all they did was watch a single tv show, then maybe abnormal psychosocial development would occur, but it's entirely dependent on the parents to ensure their child isn't doing that.

Moderation is key, ie; ensuring that each day, your kids have time to go outside and play, spend time with friends and family, read books and articles, challenge themselves with activities which feature content based on a number of academic subjects (math, language, science), and have time to TALK about the media and content they consume with parents, teachers, friends, etc.

The television content kids are watching isn't the problem, the problem is shitty parents that don't socialize their children into understanding that their favourite cartoon isn't the only thing in life that matters. Steven Universe, or any other show, is not going to fuck up your child, and if you think it will, you don't understand early childhood development.
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>>77645082
Are you triggered by short hand? I just call her Amy so I don't have to type out Amethyst. Sorry that triggered your autism.
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>>77645082
>no counterarguments
>instead resort to attacking the poster

pretty embarrasing senpai
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>>77645082
Dude get off the fucking internet holy shit.
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>>77645101
Only Rose has boobs. Amethyst, pearl and Garnet don't other than just a natural curvature to their bodies.

And yeah. Namekians all look masculine. Just give them antennae, elf ears,and patterns. I don't see your point? Gems're just an alien species that all look feminine.
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>>77644899
How 'bout now.
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>>77638401
>saying that on /co/
>the board where mostly everyone is buttmad about a cartoon

You're a pleb, mate.
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>>77645612
>it's okay, everyone's doing it!
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>>77645405
why
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>>77645612
There's a difference between getting mad, and obsessively getting mad over a cartoon--like so mad you want the show banned and want to hit the staff with ukeleles
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>>77645676
>>77645405
>not posting the whole thing
https://mega.nz/#!estlnIiD!SdAtdZ8_tmVflkgps_h51xhrTrEJg9XPRZbxs4uCyeo
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>>77640651
>cartoons are for children
There's also cartoons for adults, you colossal retard.
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>>77645405
I'm confused... Is the only point of all these "white garnet" and "skinny rose" pictures to piss off SJWs, at the price of still looking like a cringy assclown? It just seems really... juvenile. Like, it's juvenile to rage at someone over the internet because they're completely ignoring that a character is a certain colour/ethnicity/whatever the fuck, but isn't it even worse to only be doing this because "lol triggered :^)"
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>>77645847
Yes it's to trigger SJWs at tumblr. If you got triggered, then they their job.
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>>77645847
Sounds like someone got triggered.
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>>77645885
What is the point of this though? It's like the equivalent of making fun of an autistic kid at school because you know that they're going to react. It accomplishes nothing, and only makes you look like an insecure asshole.
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>>77646040
>It's like the equivalent of making fun of an >autistic kid at school because you know that >they're going to react

This.
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>>77645982
This is exactly what I'm talking about. What have you gained from me attempting to question and critique this kind of immature behaviour? It's insecurity, and a lack of purpose. This is /co/'s problem, collectively speaking, as it is the SJWs problem as well. Maybe you should try going outside.
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>>77646040
A better solution is for them not to react to the bait, therefore conflict is averted.
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>>77646115
No, it's funny because you took the bait.
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>>77646115
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Well see you guys at the next SU bait thread that guarantees 500 posts of spergs arguing.
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>>77646144
That's a fair point. What about if the content isn't bait though? Like, for some reason, tonnes of /co/ frequenters get triggered if a show doesn't pander to them, ie, if it has lesbians or non-white characters. An entire tv show isn't "bait". Why are these /co/ posters so reactionary? Why don't they just move on to a show that is worth their time if they don't like the one being discussed?
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