> "MUH race mixing is bad and Tom is an Uncle Tom because he's educated and has a good job MUH Blacks should be all a kind of annoying malcolm x cocksucker shit marxist revolutionnary, Black men must fucks white womens only for annoy for annoy honkies but with not having childrens with them MUH DICK "
You do realize that Tom was a protagonist and several times Tom's lifestyle and views are vindicated in the show, right? Tom's just easy to pick on because he's so adorably naive.
>People should have racial pride except when I don't like it
Tom and Uncle Ruckus were the true heroes.
Also, R Kelly did nothing wrong.
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PICK UP THE MUTHA-FUCKING SOAP
Because he's married...TO A WHITE WOMAN!
That although Huey represents more prominently Aaron McGruder's own views, each protagonist to some extent represents McGruder's own philosophy while acting as satirical caricatures for every class of person in black society who is never completely right in their thinking, which includes Huey himself.
The only reason Tom is shat on is because he's a pussy.
>The only reason Tom is shat on is because he's a pussy.
This. The guy is just easy to mess with. It'd be the same in real life to a lesser extent. Even though he did man up in episodes where he was the central character.
The show spent much more time shitting on the section of black culture that Riley followed than the people like Tom.
Really, the fact that their first appearance has everybody who's clearly meant to be in the wrong singling out Tom because of this should be proof that Aaron was satirizing those stereotypes and bullshit
because it's just another way for whitey to manipulate blacks into hating other blacks, and make sure black men who want to be successful are ostracized on both sides.
As the show went on, it felt more and more like the dynamic was that the Dubois were meant to be nice, upstanding people, and Riley and Granddad are meant to be seen as shitty people for constantly ruining their day somehow. Even Huey's cold bluntness to Jazmine makes sense when you see the lemonade stand episode - Tom's way of raising her protects her innocence, but only until the system takes advantage of her. So, yeah, Huey's being-right-about-everything got tiresome after a while, but I don't think Aaron bore those characters any ill will. It was the Aaron-less season 4 that retread the "Sarah is wooed by another, smoother black man" plot.
>mocked because no culture
>mocked when celebrating ancestral culture
Being burger is suffering.
>back when artists knew how to draw her
Oh, the memories.
Why are western artists so shit at mimicking anime? This is deviantart tier.
But they always portrayed black culture as ignorant and without real purpose
>that time huey watched BET marathon and slowly became more and more niggerish
>any episode with thugnificent
but really the show was a rant on american culture in general thats why alot of the episodes are based off of real happenings, like the teacher saying Nigga and Lamilton
THIS NIGGA WENT TO GET AN UMBRELLA
Tom, like many of the other characters that weren't Huey, lacked cultural awareness. Tom took the hyper-assimilation approach to coping with begin a black man in america.
He's always trying to get black people to wake up and be socially aware. But keep in mind that Huey is reasonably proud of being a black person. He just kind of pities other black people that have lost their way and aren't socially aware.
They already had Korra in the show.
>it's weird that they basically repeated this plot for the 4th season.
Season 4 wasn't the best in general.
Hell if they were going to do something like that then at least they could have reversed it with Tom befriending a fine white woman and sarah being in the same position Tom was in the Usher episode.
It's a quote from one of the better S3 episodes.
> I wake up in the morning and I think, I could've been the motherfucking president. Shit. Nigga, I wish things had've been different. I mean, I'd do anything in the motherfucking world just for things to be different. I guess I'm just gonna be raping niggas' asses for the rest of my motherfucking life.
Huey's a fucking racist hypocrite.
He looks up to people like Martin Luther King Jr. and yet still hates white people.
And have you ever noticed how every major metropolitan city in the U.S. that has a street named after him is located in the most racist, most segregated, most violent part of that city? Way to make a dream into a reality, people. I'll just bet Dr. King is proud to be looking down from heaven, and seeing what is being done in his name. Way to educate the ignorant. Keep up the good work.
Maybe McGruder simpily wanted to acknowledge that characters like Tom AND Ruckus exist out there in the world, and just wanted to make a show where they were occasionally neighbors. I don't think Aaron hated any of his main characters except for maybe big bad boss villain Wuncler Sr.
Tom isn't a "betrayer", he's supposed to be one of those well educated blacks who talk about race, but are afraid to be blunt about it. He's pretty much Henry Louis Gates, or Don Lemon black, not Barack Obama.
>tfw we got tons of shitty Granddad episodes instead of pic related
>Why were the lolis on boondocks so cute looking?
They had dedicated weaboos on the art team.
>she could have moved out of the way
>the world's first multicultural gang
>all they have is old buildings
I've needed this image in decent quality for the longest
It would be, if white people accepted you unequivocally for doing so. But they don't, so your choice is to walk around without an identity and the communal support that comes with it, pick the parts of Blackness that don't hamper or even boost your efforts to be a good person while eschewing the rest
or adopt a foreign culture that neither black nor white Americans know, allowing you to craft a new cultural identity with like-minded people (hence black weebs).
>He looks up to people like Martin Luther King Jr. and yet still hates white people.
Martin Luther King Jr did hate white people, and for good fucking reason.
Huey's point isn't that he's a racist hypocrite. His cynicism, especially in regards to race (in how both black people AND white people act), is almost always justified. His flaw isn't being wrong, it's being completely incapable of convincing other people that he's right; his coldness and cynicism turn people off.
How did you miss the point of his character?
I liked how Huey was right on most hings, but was too stubborn to accept the idea of god, even after that one episode where he actually gets down on his knees and prays and actually has his prayer answered.
>White dudes watch The Boondocks and think they understand it
>Unironically saying that Huey was written as a racist hypocrite
Tom is what happens when a black guy obsessives over white people too much
He even tries to straighten his daughters hair despite it being naturally curly
His names Tom
He acts like this
He's an Uncle Tom
>He looks up to people like Martin Luther King Jr. and yet still hates white people.
He hates white people because he looks up to Martin Luther King Jr and no doubt believes the conspiracy to kill King.
How is this hypocritical?
This is what gets me
>>mocked because no culture
>>mocked when celebrating ancestral culture
American culture is just having different people from different places celebrate their culture
>European culture is nothing but jerking off and busting a nut to Roman and Greek cultural shit while also pretending Europe was always a democracy
"Culture" isn't exactly easy to define, but it's certainly not just celebrating history, and there's a fuckload more to European culture than having a history.
Maybe you don't notice because our cultures are similar.
Was he? He seemed like the biggest poseur to me, who would do anything to be seen as cool.
I mean he didn't wear a skirt because he liked it, he did so to emulate a popular figure.
Here's my theory on his last name.
There's a famous black activist and writer named W.E.B Dubois. His name was pronounced "Doo-Boys". Tom's last name is spelled the same way, but is pronounced in the proper French pronunciation (Doo-bwa). I think that was done on purpose to signify how he's kind of closer to being white or something, idk.
there was an wpisode where stinkmeaner calls tom dubois "a bourgeois nigga."
he fits the stereotype of a bourgeois nigga too. its only fit that he get portrayed in a negative light as a kekolded faggot because bourgeois niggas are portrayed as spineless for wanting to be as white as they can.
Whitney Freeman from "Invasion of the Katrinians"
How come if a black man is successful and not stereotypical other black people call him an "uncle tom"?
I mean did you niggas even read uncle tom's cabin, tom was a hero who despite not having the courage to runway, still refused to give up the location of the other escaped slaves and was killed for it.
Katrina-nigs moved in and ruined their home and ate their food. They finally left when they got a huge hefty check but they lied to Grandad that they got nothing so they didn't have to pay him back for all the shit they did.
That episode struck a nerve with me because its the exact shit the Katrina refugees did to my city.
>Because he knew life was all about getting money and fucking bitches
And then spending said money on stupid shit like rims even going as far as to say he doesnt even want a car just rims.
Black weebs are fucking chill, no joke. I remember a few from high school and they were shy but still could hold good conversations. I met one guy that had great taste and could draw these sick alien designs, another girl also would draw cutesy AT faces on random stuff before it was a thing. I hope they're doing well in life.
The white weebs would wear their naruto headbands and cat ears everyday, repelled away from that shit. Mexican btw.
I remember having black weeaboo friends in the anime club. One was cripplingly shy and had several emotional breakdowns through the year. she was the cat ears type. There was a narutard who seemingly couldn't stop shouting everything and was easily angered by every fucking thing. Another I was fairly sure was legit austistic. Ironically, the white weeaboos were the least socially maladjusted. Black btw.
Wow, it' almost like people's behaviors have more to do with individuals and the environment there in, and actually nothing to do with their fucking skin color. Who could have guessed.
I can't help but feel that you missed the point.
What does being "white" mean? I'm Guyanese and I never understood what that shit means.
I mean, does being law-abiding and studying hard in school mean you're sucking up to Whitey?
One of my best buds in undergrad was the nerdiest black guy I ever met. His parents were from Suriname and he was smart as fuck. But the black students HATED him with a passion. He got a lot of shit for being able to speak Dutch and not joining their rallies. One of them even told him that his silence was his implicit consent to whites oppressing minorities. He replied he was too busy with his studies so that he could establish himself in the world. She got pissed and told him he was a sell-out.
Why do certain black Americans bash the fuck out of guys who don't fit their perception and narrative. My buddy wasn't sucking up to white people, but he didn't act like a black American either.
The Boondocks comic strips qent through several changes of appearance because McGruder started hiring different artists to draw the strips for him.
The style remained the same, but how refined or clean it looked would chanhe subtely from time to time.
>White people and ill-informed Uncle Toms talking about a show they know nothing about
>Black weebs are fucking chill, no joke.
This is a lie. Compared to white weebs, the only advantage they have is being a bit more socially competent. Other than that, black weebs still do a lot of cringeworthy crap..
>It's okay to hate a whole race of people even when you want to stop the hatred of an entire race of people.
Nice cognitive dissonance.
I guess I'm not sure what you mean. The people who said I was "acting white" were almost always white people and other black people who "acted white".
Doing well in school and obeying the law was always strongly encouraged in the parts of the black community where I grew up.
>And have you ever noticed how every major metropolitan city in the U.S. that has a street named after him is located in the most racist, most segregated, most violent part of that city
Yes I have noticed, because we both watched The Boondocks episode where MLK came back and they literally pointed that out.
>He looks up to people like Martin Luther King Jr. and yet still hates white people.
MLK didn't exactly like white people. He just understood that white people held all the power.
MLK was shit anyhow. Malcolm X would have been a better leader for the black community. But MLK taught passivity and the white majority liked non-threatening passive blacks so MLK gets shoved down black people's throat year after year ever since. MLK taught blacks that they should stick their hand out and ask for shit from the man instead of being self reliant. He taught blacks to take a beating with 'dignity' when the biggest and most well known historical heroes of the white community didn't take shit off of anybody.
Nobody talks about how the founding fathers took the british empire's shit and were granted independence after shaming the british into easing their jackboot from off of america's neck. That's because that never happened. The founding fathers basically decided that they wanted liberty at ANY cost and got that liberty in the only real way imaginable. They earned it on the battlefield.
Nobody can give you freedom. They can only show you mercy at their own luxury. Freedom is earned, not granted.
I never hear songs or stories off white historical figures that avoided war by taking a beating with dignity but MLK is propped up as some icon of progress for the black community. And if those songs exist, they are drowned out by a chorus of veneration for fighters that didn't sit still, wring their hands or put on a shameful display in hopes that their foe will take pity on them.
American here, I still don't understand what culture is or what makes it important. I generally think that if you're "proud" of having been born in a particular place or time you are an idiot.
I feel bad for Malcolm X. He got murdered by his own group for not being hateful enough.
The ironic part? It's AFTER he fully converted to Islam is when he started suggesting that they should tone down their methods. Kind of the opposite of how it usually goes.
That's because back then Radical Islam was only a tiny niggling voice in the ear of Islam in general, that was easily ignored.
Now it's the equivalent of someone screaming in your face with a bullhorn.
Near the end of his life, MLK was actually getting fed up with the constant beatings and was beginning to consider more direct measures.
And at the same time, after he came back from his hajj, Malcolm X came to the conclusion that maybe Whitey WASN'T the Devil after all.
And because of that, his own guys murdered him.
>I never hear songs or stories off white historical figures that avoided war by taking a beating with dignity but MLK is propped up as some icon of progress for the black community
MLK is more recent and you can argue that the racial tensions between whites and blacks are higher now than the current tensions between brits and yankees. Not to say that we shouldn't ignore/forget history, but MLK is more relevant
Wow, sorry, I didn't realize you had autism. I'll try to be understanding. We're talking about a work of fiction where ghosts and demonic possessions are actual literal things that the characters have experienced. I'm sorry you're so autistic you can't comprehend the idea that your sure isn't real can't possibly exist even in a world of make believe. It must truly be a difficult way of life.
That episode was pretty homosexual.
The hyper-conservative radicalized Islam didn't really exist as a politically-significant presence until the '80s. You should watch Persepolis- it's mostly about a girl who grew up in Iran as it became more and more radical as she got older.
Completely ignoring the cloning of an old man thought to be immortal, a game of dodgeball where they become superpowered, and all the bullshit in the entire series.
>But muh gawd oh lawdy lawdy
Holy shit you people are actually retarded. Let me spell this out for you. Boondocks is a work of fiction. It doesn't matter whether god is or is not real. It's. a. work. of. fiction.
Do you seriously not get that? Can you not tell the difference between what is real or not?
>Reading non-contextual words on a screen as if they are emotional
Nigga I'm on this side of the screen laughing at the hunger games thread.
Why are you getting so but mad over the possibility that god exists in a work of fiction?
>I liked how Huey was right on most hings, but was too stubborn to accept the idea of god
>>so he was right about most things and then right about another thing?
>>>read the rest of the post you dip.
>>>>THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS GOD
>>>>>Wow, sorry, I didn't realize you had autism. I'll try to be understanding. We're talking about a work of fiction where ghosts and demonic possessions are actual literal things that the characters have experienced. I'm sorry you're so autistic you can't comprehend the idea that your sure isn't real can't possibly exist even in a world of make believe. It must truly be a difficult way of life.
You said that you are upset that a cartoon character doesn't believe in god, then when people point out that is silly you call them autistic as opposed to explaining why it isn't silly. People mock you for not realizing that it's silly to be upset over such a thing, and again as opposed to explaining why it isn't you call them retarded. Then you act as if you were never upset about it in the first place.
>>>>>>>I'm only pretending to be retarded
Are only pretending to be religious as well?
Won't*. Because you are retarded, and Imma call you retarded to mock you. This argument is stupid, but if you really want to be the autist that get offended by words on the internet keeps it going I ain't gonna stop you. I'll just keep replying until you get bored.
>This argument is stupid
You made it into an argument.
> if you really want to be the autist that get offended by words on the internet
I'm not the one who keeps getting mad and calling names. If I was offended I'd probably be the one resorting to insults, like you are.
>I'll just keep replying until you get bored.
I don't have anywhere to be for about 5 hours.
Except both those quotes are me. Imma say this one last time. Within the fictional work knows as Boondocks, there is an episode in which Huey is advised by Jasmine multiple times to pray to god to help some poor nigga get out of Jail. He vehemently refuses until the bitter end where he gets on his knees and prays. The episode also has Uncle Ruckus going around preaching racist crap and says, at the same time Huey is praying, that if he is wrong about what he is preaching, then let god strike him down with lighting. He is then immediately struck by lightning, which happens to turn the power off at the Jail preventing the execution of poor nigga man, giving Huey more time to prepare. Huey, being stubborn still refuses to knowledge god, and insists it was coincidence.
So you're definitely saying it couldn't be coincidence? And you're also saying that in real life, there has never been a similar incident where a prayer was seemingly answered by an extremely improbable event happening?
No nigga, I'm not saying it definitely isn't coincidence, though I see how someone with autism might think that. I'm saying that it definitely CAN be coincidence, but being a fictitious event, might NOT. And given the fact that we see Stinkmeaner in Hell, training with a bunch of demons, that this is most likely a work of god. Not definitely, but most likely.
all the characters the main ones are allegories to himself or family members. Tom is him seeing himself or society seeing himself as too white, or educated whilist jazmine his issues with him being of mixed race. Heuy is all his freedom fighter stuff, riley is all his hoodish tendnecies. ect ect.
Again with the 'you mad' stuff. Go back to 2007. And read the first post holy shit.
>I liked how Huey was right on most hings
As in I thought the show did this well, and enjoyed it.
Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam and he was murdered because he exposed the Elijah Muhammad's hypocrisy and he betrayed the Nation of Islam, not because he wasn't hateful enough.
No, Malcolm X was murdered because he exposed Elijah Muhammad's hypocrisy. Elijah Muhammad was having affairs and fucking his female assistants and even knocked a few of them up. That was a deeply held secret in the Nation of Islam and threatened to disrupt the entire organization. He even predicted that this would happen for the resin that I described right before he was killed. He knew he was going to die and why he was going to die.
Did Malcolm X speak of 'not all whites being the devil'? Sure, but he never said a thing about taking a beating with dignity or not defending yourself from people that try to harm you. The original black panthers didn't think all whites were the devil either but that didn't mean that they were all for laying down and being passive doormat or begging people outside f the community for handouts.
Tension between whites and blacks are not higher now. That's what the media projects but think for a second about the shit that went on in the 50's and 60's in the US.
I don't see white people lining up outside of schools to stop blacks from attending that school. I don't see constant stories of blacks and civil rights activists being lynched in the south.I don't see white lawmakers overtly making laws to criminalize blacks specifically.
The media projects an illusion of things getting worse when things are actually much-much better and have been getting much better for decades.
>the biggest and most well known historical heroes of the white community didn't take shit off of anybody
Ummm, Jesus? You can feel free to disagree with him, but MLK wasn't a pacifist because of racial reasons, MLK was a pacifist because he was first and foremost a Christian minister.
>Again with the 'you mad' stuff. Go back to 2007
What's the current vernacular for the state of mind that causes a person to go off on tirades about how everyone who doesn't subscribe to his theory on the existence of God within a fictional work is a retard then? What do you call it when a person claims IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER GOD IS REAL; IT'S A FICTIONAL STORY and then keeps trying to argue whether God is real in a fictional story?
>Nobody talks about how the founding fathers took the british empire's shit and were granted independence after shaming the british into easing their jackboot from off of america's neck. That's because that never happened. The founding fathers basically decided that they wanted liberty at ANY cost and got that liberty in the only real way imaginable. They earned it on the battlefield.
>Nobody can give you freedom. They can only show you mercy at their own luxury. Freedom is earned, not granted.
Except that's basically what happened to Canada though, and now Canada is world-renowned for being a country full of quiet, friendly, polite people, and Americans are infamous for being a hate-filled crockpot of violence, machismo, hubris and entitlement.
>and now Canada is world-renowned for being a country full of quiet, friendly, polite people
I think we have different understandings of the connotations associated with the word "renown."
you know it was him who got that storm trooper there
>if any future film is worthy of his immense talents, it will be your highly anticipated prequel
>but he better not be the first one to die
Did Huey just Monkey's Paw the prequels into being absolute shit?
Jesus' story was about using the power of faith to work miracles. His being crucified was completely inconsequential because he can just self revive because he had the faith to do so.
if you've read the gospels, Jesus had a sharp tongue and had no problem with violent outbursts.
>MLK wasn't a pacifist because of racial reasons, MLK was a pacifist because he was first and foremost a Christian minister.
Christian minters throughout history had no problem resorting to violence with sufficient excuse to do so. In fact, the bible has many passages that support aggression and violence.
Well, I think the tensions between colonials and brits were pretty high considering that it was resolved with a formal declaration of war and thousands of lives lost in battle.
Yes, I know that happened in canada. But I'm talking about the US here. Canada is a completely different beast with a different culture and history. It's also important to note that the british seemed to be really progressive and do things for the betterment of their subjects without resorting to war a few times throughout history. For instance, I believe that they abolished slavery without resorting to war and were somewhat resistant to chattel slavery by law when the atlantic slave trade was already going on. But I'm specifically talking about the US because, let's be realistic, most of the things that america has was gained in battle and conquest. The british empire did its fair share, but europe is very old and has matured after hundreds of years of in-fighting.
I grew up around 10 miles from where Aaron started drawing the comic strip. It's not just about skin color, it's about similarity of experience.
But beyond that, the strip's history and Aaron's explicitly avowed political leanings make it extremely unlikely that Huey is written to be a "racist hypocrite." If you believe this, you're not only wrong, but also an unobservant idiot.
>I don't see white people lining up outside of schools to stop blacks from attending that school. I don't see constant stories of blacks and civil rights activists being lynched in the south.I don't see white lawmakers overtly making laws to criminalize blacks specifically.
Those things only happened after it became clear that the prevailing institutions that usually secured the status quo (namely, poverty and the police) were powerless to stop the tide of integration. Today, the police are still very much running the show, and until the institutions that have authority to make them pull rank step in, most white Americans who would have the inclination to take things to the levels of the 50s and 60s are "satisfied" and therefore don't.
In short, it's not that PoC aren't facing comparable levels of institutional discrimination, it's that white people don't feel the need yet to step in with comparable levels of personal discrimination.
Just you wait until the Syrians get here.
But a black man that is successful and isn't stereotypical of being 'black' isn't called an uncle tom.
Nobody calls Neil Degrasse Tyson an Uncle Tom. Nobody calls Colin Powell an Uncle Tom.
Nobody calls Obama an Uncle Tom and he's the whitest black man there is with his fancy graduating magna cum laude with a degree from harvard law.
I have a few clients that make hundreds of thousands a year, golf and live in quiet neighborhoods with $500k+ houses and two priuses along with two other non-stereotypical black cars in their garage and nobody calls them uncle toms.
I don't know where people got this from but being successful doesn't make a black man an uncle tom. And uncle tom is an apologist for whites that abuse blacks or immediately take an anti-black stance on any subject. Ben Carson is an example of this. Pretty much any black pundit that appears frequently on fox news is also an example.
Are people unironically this retarded?
Have you ever watched star wars before, Mace was 2nd to yoda and a real OG who 1v1'd sheev even when his entire squad went down like children in naptime.
100% the opposite of black guy dying first
Are you calling me retarded for saying Mace didn't die first while saying yourself that Mace didn't die first?
There are some people who call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom, and even Obama himself is seen as one by the Cornell West types. An Uncle Tom is usually a highly successful black man who doesn't help out the black community.
Am I the only one who thought the show stopped being good after the first season?
The comedy got really cynical, and the characters felt a lot less relatable and likable. Like they stopped being actual people and became parodies of their old selves
what point are you even making? That I like MLP because I'm not some jaded cynic and I like relatable characters?
I actually really liked the first season, there was a good balance of cynicism, and it wasn't as obnoxiously overt and in your face as the later seasons.
>50s and 60s
Progress isn't uniform across the United States. If you haven't, check out Show Me a Hero, an HBO show from earlier this year about a Mayor who is politically destroyed for fighting against segregation.....in the late 80s. Also, from what I've heard the same thing is happening in Dallas now.
>Apparently it means "Little mule"
It doesnt mean little mule but it is obviously a reference to a mule, the mix of a horse and a donkey. Mulatto comes from a word the Arabs used to describe someone who was a mix between an Arab and a non Arab, mostly in the Iberian peninsula and thats were the Spaniards and Portuguese got it.
It became a derogatory term to call someone who was mixed, being the word "mestizo" (mixed in English) the regular term. Early during colonial America the Spaniard used the word "mestizo" to call someone who was a mix of anything, being mulatto and insult, but it slowly became the standard word to call the mix between a White and Black person and mixed (mestizo) the one to call a mix between an Amerindian and a White person.
Mixed (Mestizo) = Amerindian + White
Zambo = Amerindian + Black
Mulatto = Black + White
Those are the three basic mixes.
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I agree with this somewhat. While I REALY enjoy the writing in season 2 and 3, it just doesn't feel like the same show. The tone of season 1 was very chill while still being sharp and topical.I can't quite describe it. It took a lot of things from the comic at that time which I think worked really well. Especially "The Block is Hot".
Season one was weirdly paced and cringeworthy half the time, especially when they stopped the show to get on a soapbox. It had a good tone, but Season 2 and 3 had way better comedic timing, animation, and subtlety.
>The comedy got really cynical
Nigga, S1 had the most pessimistic stories in the whole series.
Right to vote secured and separate-but-equal struck down was just a compromise? What would you call victory then? State-mandated, institutional racism was wiped out. That sounds like winning to me.
Both I say. In the comics Huey was a little more parody of activists, at least early on. I still found TV Huey to be a little over reactionary, but he was often the narrator, so the show aligns with him a little more.
Shut up, you don't even make sense
Think of it as an Indian being told he's acting "black" in Guyana. I know racial strife is a thing there
Not even most, and the few that do hate every single person who is black and not from Africa.
Acting white isn't "obeying the law and doing well in school". MOST black people obey the law and at least *try* to do well in school. Acting white is literally following the general culture of America and speaking with a white person's accent/voice. Also being a pussy is associated with "acting white".
He's easy to make fun of/jokes out of because he's so timid. Tom is what people THINK an Uncle Tom is, someone who "doesn't act black", married to a white woman, so on and so forth. Tom's just a black guy that either manged to get out, or never had to leave in the ghetto. That's all.
While Uncle Ruckus is exactly what an Uncle Tom is, he hates black people, being black, and goes well out of his way to make excuses for why racist actions towards black people are okay.
As much as I wish the show kept up with it's political nature, I guess I'm not surprised that aspect of the show died out, because it seems like not enough people understood what it it was trying to say.
I still hear fuckheads talking about "crabs in a bucket" is "black culture in a nutshell"
Now if you want to talk about real life Uncle Tom's THAT'S an Uncle Tom, that ignorant fuckboy.
Isn't that something they do on purpose?
It's not like Black People just show up to Martin Luther King Jr. Streets in the country to make it shitty, they just choose a bad street where black people live and call it that to try and pretend like they give a shit.
Just like how everyone pretends to give a shit about black people during black history month, when they could really give a fuck less.
>How come if a black man is successful and not stereotypical other black people call him an "uncle tom"?
This is only something that white people believe.
An Uncle Tom is someone is who wants to fit in/be successful so badly that not only is he willing to give up his identity /adopt a new identity, he's either more than willing to suggest that other black people "just don't act right" and that's why they're having trouble
People don't like Uncle Toms, because it's hard enough to get people to listen as it is, and the first person everyone is looking for is not a black person who has something good to say, what they're looking for is someone who will repeat a like-minded statement, to put them at ease. No, there isn't anything wrong, it's just THEM! Here come the Uncle Tom's ready to shuck and jive and validate whatever opinon about black people for attention, and then you get to go unheard while this person does his dance, as long as he gets along.
It's like if you're from a poor family, and someone in your family got rich by sucking dick, and then not only does this person not like to hang out with you, acts like a completely different, and then preaches to you about how MAYBE you wouldn't be so poor if you just tried a little harder.
That's why whenever something happens, the first thing everyone shows up to do is to find the black guy that hates the other black people, so you don't have to think any more than "well, those darkies love to cause trouble."
If white people say anything about other white people, or specifically try to critic white people about anything, we call them "SJWs" and stop listening to them. When a black person says "pull up your pants!" we call them a well spoken genius, and a credit to their people.
Yeah, there are a few things to talk about among black people, but nobody listens to the moderate opinion, people look for Cosby and Barkley to tell black people they're stupid.
I heard of a place in the South that had the fucking bathrooms segregated. Yeah, it turns out that all of the black people COULDN'T use the upstairs bathroom and would always have to go to the downstairs one.
In like 2013
>Nobody calls Obama an Uncle Tom a
...Really? Because there were talk shows centered around "Is he black enough?" and dumbasses actually trying to bring back the One Drop Rule to claim him. Hell, I know (don't particularly like, but know) at least three people that would describe him as such.
Both. You have to remember that McGruder mellowed out as he got older which is why he eventually created Caesar, to be the guy that looks at Huey and goes "Maybe take it down a notch" The cartoon never gets that far, so we never get that moderate voice.
So yeah. The successful nigga who isn't pretending to be a common thug and be pro black bordering on utter racist is an uncle tom.
Cause...LOL half of the brothers and sisters in fucking modern media including most hiphip are in your words uncle toms. Hell many of them LITTERALLY SUCKED DICK TO GET WHERE THEY ARE. The men and the women.
Face it. Uncle Tom is just an invention created to keep black people enslaved to an entirely contrived identity stolen crafted and sold back to us by media academia and government.
Any black people who fall outside of those false norms are instantly written off as crazy,sell out, uncle tom or "niggas".
There is no objective ruler by which lifestyles or moral codes can be measured against each other. There is, however, absolutely nothing unreasonable in fitting in, sever ties with those who don't fit in with you. Or shun idiots who think previous statement is incorrect.
Wanna have your Black identity intact? Sure, you can have it in your mini-Somalia.
>that not only is he willing to give up his identity /adopt a new identity
As opposed to what, exactly? What is the quintessential black identity that he's betraying?
Because I got a lot of that "you're a race traitor" shit back in high school for liking classical mythology and anime and having a high GPA.
Oh, oh buddy. There's at least three things wrong with your chain of thought there and the depressing thing is I'm not even sure which is the most relevant.
First off, nope. American kids are all about standardized tests now because we fucked up our educational system with a piece of legislation called No Child Left Behind that doesn't allow for the kind of critical reasoning skills you'd need to teach from a book like Uncle Tom's Cabin.
Second, even if we were to get that, it wouldn't be a book we'd give "kids". You'd maybe see that in high school at best. You have to remember we're talking about the country that tried banning Huck Finn because of the word nigger rather than confront the fact that yeah, freemen in the deep south faced way worse than a word.
Third, it's not really "our" history. It's the history of one minority, which means schools and history books have no problem shoving it all into one month at best, and can skip it entirely. I went to one of those fancy college prep schools for high school, the kind that you end up seeing lots off future policy makers in, and it was the same old "founding fathers are fucking awesome!" shit. History ended at the revolutionary war. Not even the Civil war, because then you start making people uncomfortable and start having to answer hard questions.
At best, you might find a very small percentage o schools that use Uncle Tom's Cabin as their prerequisite Black History Month lip-service book, but from my teaching experiences it seems like A Raisin in the Sun is the new standard since it's shorter, had a recent made for TV movie adaptation, and plays encourage lass participation.
And even then, I personally get that play until college, and even then, only because I took an Af-Am literature elective.
The episode about his family actually made me feel bad for him, especially the way his dad treated him and how his mother tried to make him feel like he was something much bigger then he thought he could be.
The insult's not based on the original book - it's based on the dozens of derivative works which boiled Uncle Tom down to a sniveling old geezer. It's shitty adaptations that turned it into what it is today.
Imagine a world where the original Howard the Duck comic became way more successful, but the Howard the Duck movie lead to 20 sequels. It's like that.
>Third, it's not really "our" history. It's the history of one minority, which means schools and history books have no problem shoving it all into one month at best, and can skip it entirely. I went to one of those fancy college prep schools for high school, the kind that you end up seeing lots off future policy makers in, and it was the same old "founding fathers are fucking awesome!" shit. History ended at the revolutionary war. Not even the Civil war, because then you start making people uncomfortable and start having to answer hard questions.
First two points are spot on, but this third one....well, you're half right. The part about Black History month is true, but, speaking as someone who attended public school in a medium sized town in Oklahoma, at least by high school, they were no longer shying away from racial issues. The Civil War was covered in history class, and while I never had to read Uncle Tom's Cabin, I did have to read Invisible Man and Heart of Darkness, both of which featured racism prominently.
>Not even the Civil war, because then you start making people uncomfortable and start having to answer hard questions.
There are history books in the south that are glossing over that era, as well as the civil rights era too.
America don't like to talk about it's nastier history and that's why nobody knows anything.
I'm sure only a handful of people know how exactly the American ghettos were formed in the first place.
Black people moved North from Southern rural areas, and their incredible levels of criminality caused everyone else to move out of neighborhoods they moved into and soon afterwards led to every other ethnic and racial group conspiring to keep them out of their neighborhoods.
It became a viscous cycle - the minute black folks (usually the middle class, hard working ones) moved into a new neighborhood to escape their old criminal neighbors, real estate agents would start pushing the locals to sell cheap and move out before everything fell to shit. And with property values depressed like that, who should move in but the very same criminal neighbors they were trying to escape in the first place.
>There are history books in the south that are glossing over that era
I haven't been in high school for about 8 years, but the Civil War was talked about quite a lot. You want a good example of something American history glosses over? The fucking extermination of the natives. That shit only shows up for like, one paragraph in our history books.
>Nobody calls Neil Degrasse Tyson an Uncle Tom. Nobody calls Colin Powell an Uncle Tom.
That's because the average black person doesn't even know these two even exist.
And the only reason Obama wasn't seen as a Uncle Tom because he's a Democrat, which is pretty fucking hilariously ironic, considering the Democrats history. Hell, the main Democrats still to this day only do things that are convenient for them and liking black people is convenient atm.
No you didn't. You were a fucking weirdo prick who thought yourself above everyone else because of your "high gpa" and like of anime( funny as plenty of blacks are into anime) you tell yourself they didn't like you because you're educated but as was stated multiple time their are plenty well educated and successful blacks who are not called "uncle toms"
Bt keep ignoring that fact to whine that people thought you were a fucking weirdo
>I love it when some basement dwelling faggot tries to tell me what the average black person knows
this seems appropriate somehow
Seems to be a reoccurring theme with SJWs.
McGruder hates "black culture" with a passion that even /pol/ couldn't dream of having because he sees it as being a artificially constructed social trap that black americans are pigeon holed into by themselves and the media.
I always interpreted Tom as being what black culture sees actually successful black men as (a uncle tom) which is why despite all of his success Tom is petty,cowardly jealous,and paranoid.
Everyone in the boondocks is a caricature of some kind of stereotype.
Themselves usually it's bizarre one of the worst neighborhoods and one of the nicest in my city are separated by like a quarter mile and absolutely none of the crime in the bad area ever seems to spill out from it because the people who live their just avoid the nice neighborhood like the plague.
Most ghettos are areas where the people who live there just turn it into a insular community and force all outsiders out which causes it to stagnate.
>Are people who use term "Uncle Tom" familiar with what "Uncle Tom's Cabin" really is about?
The Uncle Tom term originates from the minstrel plays that were "adaptations" of the book (they were the equivalent of hollywood adaptations in terms of faithfulness).
He doesn't hate "black culture" per say, he just hates the low-brow crap that black people get into or other strange social phenomenon that effect black people like "the nigga moment". There's an encroaching idea that "black culture" means whatever people throw up on worldstar or is on BET is what black culture is, when in reality, it's something you can't answer so easily.
Imagine if whatever people saw on MTV is all that people thought of your culture is and wouldn't give you the benefit of doubt unless you jump through a bunch of mental hoops to prove otherwise. It'd drive you crazy.
The ghettos were formed by forcing people to live there.
Look up redlining and black people and the GI Bill.
>There's an encroaching idea that "black culture" means whatever people throw up on worldstar or is on BET
It's weird because I've lived in multiple American cities and in none of them have I met person, black or otherwise, who watched BET. Also,
Oh, I know about the natives. I know all about the natives being glossed over, I did a study on them in college.
But I'm being serious, they're actually doing it today
You know how the GI Bill helped create the American suburbs, right?
Well, black soldiers weren't getting their GI Bill payments. It was promised to everyone who fought, but you had to get it through your local services, and they said it was pretty much a near impossible up hill battle. People would just refuse to give the loans to black soldiers. With no money or anywhere else to go, they had to go to the ghetto.
Add redlining and white flight to the mix.
It's not a big coincidence that so many black people live in these areas right next to each other, this was planned.
>you tell yourself they didn't like you because you're educated but as was stated multiple time their are plenty well educated and successful blacks who are not called "uncle toms"
The exact wording that was used was that I wasn't a "real nigga". So please, enlighten me as to what that means, since you're clearly the expert here.
SJW:If you believe men and women are equal you are a feminist period!
>Christina Hoff Sommers calls herself a feminist and believes men and women are equal
SJW: Doesn't count because reasons
>He doesn't hate "black culture" per say, he just hates the low-brow crap that black people get into or other strange social phenomenon that effect black people like "the nigga moment"
That is literally how black culture is defined.
Outside of this prevailing meme of thuggery and anti-education,low brow, anti-ambition, gibsmedat bullshit black culture as a single universal prevailing culture that all black people in the world identify with is non existent for the exact same reason that a single universal "white culture" does not exist.
If you take a black guy from uganda and a guy from detroit they aren't going to have much of anything in common outside of skin color.
>The ghettos were formed by forcing people to live there.
>Look up redlining and black people and the GI Bill.
Yes but nobody is keeping them there anymore they can and sometimes do move.
Most old ghettos have become gentrified in the last few decades meanwhile new ghettos form because of what I said because groups of people will shun anyone one from the outside while their neighborhoods fester.
>There's an encroaching idea that "black culture" means whatever people throw up on worldstar or is on BET is what black culture is, when in reality, it's something you can't answer so easily.
So he basically just hates corporate/consumer defined black culture and wants something more "authentic"
The problem with gentrification is that it goes hand and hand with pricing out the people already there. There are plenty of people that would absolutely love to stay and reap the benefits of all those hipster dollars but they can't because the rent quadruples and their businesses continue to do poorly because said hipsters are only buying from their own.
>And uncle tom is an apologist for whites that abuse blacks or immediately take an anti-black stance on any subject. Ben Carson is an example of this. Pretty much any black pundit that appears frequently on fox news is also an example.
That's a bullshit distinction and you know it. It treats blacks as only "blacks" and not individuals. The term is used to shame people when they don't fall in line with the mainline black community.
I am shaking my head, to be quite honest, family.
ok, reading this was quite a ride. Guy makes a lot of good points, and I can see how that relates to the way feminists define themselves but might I direct you to http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/09/motte-and-bailey-doctrines/ which is linked toward the end of it.
More importantly, it implies that there's an inherently "black" way to think about a given issue. There has to be a black stance for their to be an anti-black stance, after all.
But he doesn't even have the balls to say what those stances and beliefs might be. Just that "it's complicated".
That's a problem for all lower class people. I can't afford an apartment in a nice neighborhood near downtown either.
Some of the best trolls on the internet. Even the philosopher who coined the term doesn't realize they're trolls. (Given he didn't learn of internet trolls until a few years ago, that makes sense.)
And that's actually a really good example of how it's used IRL. A lot simpler to understand, too.
Wow, thanks for telling me that, m8, I was just reading an article on the Onion and I was wondering if you could determine its authenticity real quick. Everyone, pay attention to this anon! He is the only one here who can tell the difference between sincerely held beliefs and satire.
No, I'm writing as if someone assumed I mistook it for being genuine. Which is what happened. At any rate I think the red and blue examples at the bottom make it pretty obvious that it's not sincere.
Also, reading on within those links I found a pretty cool analogy.
>Suppose the government puts a certain drug in the water supply, saying it makes people kinder and more aware of other people’s problems and has no detrimental effects whatsoever. A couple of conspiracy nuts say it makes your fingers fall off one by one, but the government says that’s ridiculous, it’s just about being more sensitive to other people’s problems which of course no one can object to. However, government employees are all observed drinking bottled water exclusively, and if anyone suggests that government employees might also want to take the completely innocuous drug and become kinder, they freak out and call you a terrorist and a shitlord and say they hope you die. If by chance you manage to slip a little bit of tap water into a government employee’s drink, and he finds out about it, he runs around shrieking like a banshee and occasionally yelling “AAAAAAH! MY FINGERS! MY PRECIOUS FINGERS!”
>At some point you might start to wonder whether the government was being entirely honest with you.
>This is the current state of my relationship with social justice.
I wish these kinds of articles got linked more whenever SJWs are discussed here.
We read this book in Elementary School.
We read a book about Japanese internment the same year.
High School was shit like Great Gatsby, Fahrenheit 451, Slaughterhouse Five, and the works of Shakespeare.
Then again, I didn't grow up in the deep south or the traditional east. Or the fucked up California.
There's like four states that have The Lorax banned as "liberal propaganda" in schools.
Yeah, all of 8th grade history can be summed up as "Civil War, plus some stuff about Rome" for us.
Then you have Alabama, where history books call it "The War Of Northern Aggression" (nevermind the South started it).
Senior year history in High School covered that for us. Basically, sundown towns combined with the population moving to where the new jobs were.
>light skin black guy
>other blacks act like i'm not black
I never asked for this feel
>I am a black man, who escaped the nonsense that plagues the black community.
See that doesn't impress me one bit. That just screams that "fuck you i got mine" mentality as well as a need to throw your own people under a bus.
>I am a black man who is actively trying to stop the nonsense that plagues the black community
I mean i got friends and family that grew up in the same ghetto as i who became educators and work at youth centers, bro. The fuck are you doing? Instead of trying to shit on your own people look to do something about it or shut the fuck up.
>13 years old
>School has special days learning about everyone's cultures
>Everyone seems to have a cultural identity but you since your family goes in every direction and nobody from the motherlands is left alive
>The white guys who claim they have a "culture" tout Confederate flags, but your family history all leads back to Union soldiers
>Try to claim that, get made fun of by the rebs and ignored by everyone else
>Be an adult in 2015
>Confederate flags are socially taboo even among whites now
>That just screams that "fuck you i got mine" mentality
While true, no one ever asked to have to be the one to save someone. No one WANTS to be their brother's keeper. It's a burden that brings nothing but stress.
I don't care if you're too lazy to google man, here you go:
Particularly topical since we had that 500 post megathread yesterday which was mainly some nut claiming that the dictionary definition of racism isn't what racism means.
I remember in like 3rd grade we had to read some story about a Japanese girl whose family was in one of the internment camps and then another story about a Japanese girl dying of radiation poisoning after the two atomic bombs who wished for her friends to make her 1000 origami paper cranes because according to some folk mythology that would be enough to save her life.
They didn't finish them before she died.
same guy again, since you brought up the Lorax, I remember in high school I had a teacher who claimed that Dr. Seuss wrote anti-Jap propaganda during WWII at one point, and then later wrote Horton Hears a Who with its "a person is a person no matter how small" message as an apology for that.
>Particularly topical since we had that 500 post megathread yesterday which was mainly some nut claiming that the dictionary definition of racism isn't what racism means.
Man, I miss all the good stuff when I leave the basement :(
Is it archived anywhere?
Dr. Seuss was a proud American, and used his art skills in the service of his country, mocking our murderous enemies.
>your own people
You know this mentality is what's holding you back, right? The idea that you owe other people something just because you happen to share the same race, or that you can somehow help people who are utterly hopeless and don't even want your help?
Successful white people have no sense of loyalty to other white people and are quite happy to throw them under the bus, because that's how you succeed in life. Why should successful black people be any different? Solidarity with people just because they share your race (or gender) is fucking dumb because a majority of people in general are no-hopers who'll never amount to anything. Why even give a shit about them?
American culture has invaded the rest of the world and Europoors are butthurt about it.
I dearly wish it could be as you say but unfortunately you have to be white to be allowed to be an asshole. Because when a white person is an asshole, he's just one asshole. When a black person is an asshole, suddenly EVERY black person is an asshole.
The shared public image unfortunately results in a shared responsiblity. And no, it's not fucking fair in the least.
When has tom ever done that. Most of the jokes was how much of a pussy he was. Hes a lawyer he should be a bit tougher given he deals with criminals.
Not gonna bother explaining such a simple concept to someone like you as it's clearly a waste of time. I'll just say not all of us have the "fuck you i got mine" mentality.
> Say an Arab guy from London, a Japanese guy from Japan, and a white guy who was adopted by a Chinese family in Detroit are all vacationing in the same hotel in Cancun, Mexico. For some reason.
>The Arab guy gets a little drunk and mistakes the white guy for a Jew and lets go of a few choice slurs. The Japanese guy doesn't understand what the fuck the Arab guy is saying, but he decides to join in and call the white guy a baka gaijin or whatever the fuck. The white guy turns to one of the locals and tells him "I don't need this. I already got enough shit for the color of my skin while living in the nigger capital of the USA."
>Is this an example of regular racism or reverse racism? Show your work.
no one ever answered him ;_;
Yeah pretty bad analogy. Literally pulled themselves out of poverty sucking dick and you still a broke ass bitch shake my head, what's wrong with you?
There are insults and there are insulting descriptions. Something like "Uncle Tom" can be slung around anyone black as an insult, but to be a insulting description it would have to fit that critera.
Even ignoring racial issues I don't see why anyone would take pride in a Confederate flag. Would you really want to brand yourself as being a descendant of losers who failed to branch off and form their own country?
I'm not Southern or even pro-confederate but other cultures have certainly have had their fair shares of loses. It is not like Native Americans that celebrate their culture are branding themselves as losers.
I'll have to agree, they did call him that. But only when he was kowtowing to the Bush White House. When he came out and said, "Actually I was wrong and that shit was wack and every one of these motherfuckers needs to be on trial at the Hague," (or something to that effect), people stopped calling him an Uncle Tom. Which is probably where this anon's got the idea that he'd never been called on in the first place. Remember that all that went down more than a decade ago.
There are more blacks on 4chan in general than you'd expect, be it /co/, /v/, or /a/. I was actually sort of surprised to learn pic related was black.
>That's a bullshit distinction and you know it. It treats blacks as only "blacks" and not individuals.
No, the Uncle Tom himself is treating black people as "blacks" and not individuals; the calling of him as an "Uncle Tom" takes the UT's premises ("All black people act this way") and runs with it, but denies its conclusions and presumes its motivations.
>More importantly, it implies that there's an inherently "black" way to think about a given issue.
Politically-speaking, there is generally a course of action that could be said to benefit the majority of black Americans, yes.
>But he doesn't even have the balls to say what those stances and beliefs might be. Just that "it's complicated".
Politically-speaking, the exact nature of what that course of action will be is often controversial, yes.
Yeah, and politically speaking, I'd be inclined to agree with that (with significant caveats). But now you're already changing the argument by confining it to politics, rather than including social and cultural viewpoints as was the original case..
My sides, but to the point, I've been asked similar questions at work, To be honest, I'm not sure how much money you have to dangle over me to get me to suck a dick, but it's generally more than a million per dick, which is a guaranteed yes for me. Is there anyone on earth who currently gets paid more than one million dollars per dick sucking session? I'm thinking if there is, it's some incredibly beautiful wife of a Saudi prince or some shit.
Native Americans got edged out (to put it politely) of their own territory. They have every right to be proud of their culture.
The confederacy was a posse of slave whippers who tried to take down the federal government.
Their flag represents ignorance and an inability to move on from the past.
No one alive today fought in the civil war.
Natives are still native no matter what century it is.
You're going to have to clarify what you mean by "anti-black stance" before I can decide which of you was right. I can see someone like Cosby who gets up and says "black people in general are niggers but I'm one of the good ones" (paraphrasing) as a legitimate Uncle Tom but outside of that, I dunno, convince me.
Personally I just think it's weird how the guys flying the confederate flag are always the first ones to talk about how they're Real Americans.
When it's like "Bro, you're defending your American right to free speech by demanding to fly the flag of when you didn't WANT to be an American?"
Well, who on earth gets paid the most for a dick sucking then? This is an interesting question and now I want to know. Is there someone who gets a million dollars every time they suck a dick?
>Well, who on earth gets paid the most for a dick sucking then?
Well, you can say the same for social and cultural viewpoints, too. Keep in mind that I'm not passing judgment on whether or not this accepted "blackness" is actually helpful to black people in general, just that it exists. And t.b.h., I feel like the fact that it exists is generally a good thing for black people, because there's enough people out there defining black people by their blackness without their permission as it is; therefore, since we can't change that, it's beneficial for us to promote our blackness as a positive attribute.
>all this hoopla overother ethnic identity of Egyptians
>be lightish skinned nigga
>Get DNA tested
>80%west ooga Booga
>16% northwestern yuropoor
>less than 1% north and east africa
Ehh I guess they were right call me an oreo
So, again, withut all this roundabout generalities bullshit you keep talking about in circles.
Define blackness: Go. Do it right now.
What is this inherent "Blackness" that is beneficial simply because its self defined rather than conferred.
> because there's enough people out there defining black people by their blackness without their permission as it is
Including other black people. Which is the entire point of the thread.
>Nobody calls Obama an Uncle Tom and he's the whitest black man there is with his fancy graduating magna cum laude with a degree from harvard law.
Are you joking nigga? I remember all the talk about whether he was "black enough" back when he was trying to get elected. Some people did in fact call him an Uncle Tom.
>MOST black people obey the law and at least *try* to do well in school.
What. You serious? That's bullshit, most niggas don't give a shit about schools, and fucking hate cops and the law because they be keeping brothers down.
>Your own people
I find this fascinating about blacks. We whites are taught to be selfish and to to look out for yourself, and do whatever it takes to win. Whereas you guys are all about "community".
But then you kill each other in greater numbers than white people do, you sell drugs to one another, you attack anyone who's escapes the ghetto and isn't an athlete, and when riots break out you loot each other's homes.
How do you reconcile those two extremes? Whitey made me do it?
Black people. Whether it's black people or black people who care/have the means to speak up? I dunno, that's complicated. But it's not something that applies exclusively to black people.
Are you familiar with the concept of a black box? It doesn't matter what's inside it. It might be impossible to describe what's inside it. We simply assume that it works because what goes in consistently comes out one way or the other.
Blackness is a black box. Blackness is what black people are, what benefits black people, what black people experience. Occasionally it coalesces into something that you can put into a headline.
The values reflect an aspiration needed to weather the entrenched and hopeless reality, rather than the reality itself? Why do white people teach each other to be selfish when they use a larger percentage of welfare in raw dollars compared to their population size than black people, and when a majority of them will admit to having used personal connections to get their last job?
>a majority of them will admit to having used personal connections to get their last job?
How exactly is this contradictory to being selfish?
Reciprocity of that kind is generally mutually beneficial.
"Getting ahead at any cost" and "Shitting on other people just because" are not the same thing.
If you can't define blackness, then you be black and can't hold a sentiment that's opposed to it. My blackness is my blackness, and it need not intersect or agree with yours.
You don't get to call me anti-black when it doesn't.
Race is just a social construct anyway, you can be transracial, it's all a meaningless distinction.
The "selfish" ideal is a natural sorting of occupation by ability, i.e., the meritocracy that my white friends fervently insist exists without caveat. That's kind of fucked over if you got your last position by knowing someone's brother and having them put in a good word for you with HR.
Who, then? All the back people? Important black people? The poorest black people? Black people who have the right credentials? Who specifically gets to decide what issues are anti-black?
>The "selfish" ideal is a natural sorting of occupation by ability, i.e., the meritocracy
Where the FUCK did you get that idea?
Selfishness implies exploiting every advantage, even the "unfair" ones.
The fact that most people would rather hire someone that has a good word put in from someone they trust is also not a race thing.
Unless you think every whitey is born is good business connections or something.
You can say that a given behavior or course of action is not beneficial to black people at whatever frame of reference (individual, community, national) you choose. You can support that argument with valid data or anecdotes. You can then encapsulate that within an appeal to blackness. Of course, I can then say, "But my blackness is different from your blackness." However that misses the point of the advocacy being about actual black people and not a nebulous blackness. It's kind of a meaningless semantic argument.
>Where the FUCK did you get that idea?
White people saying it to me constantly, to explain why qualified black candidates constantly get passed over ("Well they must just not have been good as the white candidates")?
>You can then encapsulate that within an appeal to blackness.
Yeah, see, you're doing so well, then you leap into this fallacy head first. What is an appeal to blackness if not ad populum?
I dunno, it's complicated. :^) You're asking me to explain why any given issue and resolution to that issue comes to the forefront of the so-called national conversation. If I could tell you, I wouldn't be posting it on 4chan for free.
Ok, but why are black people held to this standard of supporting black people in general or black values or whatever? If, say, a white political leader favored some policy which didn't benefit whites, would anyone call him a race traitor? Ok, yes, some people would, but almost everyone would dismiss them as loonies. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel like this sort of obligation to support your "people" or your race or whatever not uniformly applied to people of all races.
Also, as a halfbreed, where do I fit into this? Am I obligated to benefit both the black community and the white community equally? How can I even be sure whether I'm doing that?
>egyptians are black
this reminds of something
>Re5 comes out
>nothing but angry africans
>blacks get upset
>everyone tells them to shut up there are blacks all over africa
>fast forward several years later
>Blacks says some pharaohs were black
>everyone goes "SHUT UP THERE WEREN'T ANY AFRICANS IN THAT PART OF AFRICA"
>Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel like this sort of obligation to support your "people" or your race or whatever not uniformly applied to people of all races.
You're not wrong.
What's more the obligation is lunacy in the first place.
Collectivism is garbage and never leads to anything good for anyone except for the very few that set themselves up as the leaders of the collective.
Did I say it wasn't a fallacy? Actually, I implied that it was. People do it because it's poetic, because it invokes a sort of pride in the face of a similarly nebulous vilification. Mainstream America appeals to "America" and "Real Americans" in the same way. Again, though, when it comes to actual specific issues, they're advocating for some concrete aspect of the black community (black kids, poor black people, black people who are concerned about the issue), not "blackness."
I really don't know how other people are measuring genetic distances between populations,but this map is bretty interesting
It is literally because Black people have had (arguably) the most shit flinged at them out of all racial groups in American history.
>No direct economic help after being released from slavery.
The 13th - 15th Amendments were great though.
>Deliberate socioeconomic stratification.
Racist land tenants wouldn't sell certain areas to Blacks in the 40's and 50's IIRC.
>A bunch of other shit.
Essentially nobody was there to help the masses of slaves after they were freed. Yeah they were given legal status as human beings, but what good is that shit if there's no direct economic help to lift an entire race of people out of economic ruin.
The second point with the land divisions (at least in LA) are a direct reason towards the emergence of gangs like the Bloods and the Crips, and we all know how helpful they were in LA.
>blacks get upset
I don't think that's what happened. It was the humble beginnings of the social justice brigade that got upset. This must have been right at the beginning, because I remember Moviebob was one of the guys rushing to the defense of RE5 and saying it wasn't racist to have black enemies. I can't see him doing that now.
>Ok, but why are black people held to this standard of supporting black people in general or black values or whatever?
Because, historically-speaking, when institutions came after black people, they didn't limit themselves to "those black people." CJ Walker would have been turned away from WASP-owned real estate just like anyone else.
> If, say, a white political leader favored some policy which didn't benefit whites, would anyone call him a race traitor?
Only white people call each other race traitors.
>Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel like this sort of obligation to support your "people" or your race or whatever not uniformly applied to people of all races.
Neither is the law.
Are you asking me, personally, or are you asking how black people in general would respond? Because I can answer the former ("No, but depending on the issue, I would be suspicious of that person."), but the latter... Well, you're the one arguing against a presumption of a general blackness that one person can describe accurately.