How's Your Webcomic? #212

How many people in this thread make money off of their comics?

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Let’s start of the list with a useful guide for PANEL LAYOUT:
http://innerspace.notonigon.com/?p=8

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
PEOPLE: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

discordia chatroom link: https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFTo3h7m4

Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed]

Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf


Paper Wings

http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

Comic Script: Plot to Outline

http://rocketbot.com/tutorials/626/writing-a-comic-script-from-plot-to-outline-to-final-draft

>>77576020
oops, bad timing, first time making this thread.

>>77576072
no prob, bob.
first for NOT ME. but my hosting is free so i'm not losing money on it. just time.. alllll my time.

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>>77575998

>>77576478
...Huh?

I have animations on youtube, is this not the place to post them? I'm looking for critique or advice on them

>>77577547
I think the "Work On Your Art" thread is what you're looking for.

>>77577497

You forgot this.

You are new, We always put this at the start of each thread.

>>77577589
I've never noticed it actually
By the time I usually get to these threads they already have at least 20-40 posts in them and I'm more focused on those.

>>77576478
Question; what does 'bones' mean in this context?

>>77577659
Rule #1, you do NOT talk about bones.

>>77577547
eh, sequential art is sequential art

>>77577659
Bones is a tripfag that frequents here and is rather hostile and odd, its encouraged not to interact with him

We should add the chat to the OP next HYW

>>77576020
I don't know any desu. Might be that some make some pocket money with it, but making decent sums with your webcomic is kinda... I wouldn't say "impossible", but you're better off not expecting it. If you're an artist and want some cash, do commissions on tumblr.

>>77577953
Pocket money is still money anon.

>>77577953
It is possible to make a living off a webcomic, it's just so statistically unlikely it's safe to say you never will. A few examples of people that do exist, though the only one that comes to mind at the moment is Andrew Hussie. And that's after spending YEARS not making much money at all.

>>77578694
Tons of dudes make their living off of webcomics, way more than ever before. All you have to do, depending on where you live, is clear $1000-$1500 profit every month which when taking ads, Patreon/donation revenue and merch revenue into account (especially if you do cons), is not that hard for anybody who runs a fairly popular webcomic for a few years.

>>77579109
just remember that's 850 after taxes
after writing the government a 450 dollar check every 3 months you might rethink the profitability of making 1000 a month

still i'd love that. i wish i was popular..

>>77579198
I was talking discretionary income, not disposable income senpai.

>>77579225
what?

>>77579225
>>77579244
wait wait
A) discretionary income is the same as disposable income
B) you were talking about making 1000 AFTER paying your bills? jesus, good luck with that. I've never had more than 1000 a -year- in leftover income after bills.

>>77579275
>discretionary income is the same as disposable income
False. Disposable income is income after taxes only, discretionary income is after all necessary costs of living have been paid.

I got my terms mixed up in my previous post and I meant that I was talking about disposable income and not pure income.

>>77579109
>>77578694


1500*12 = 18k

In the U.S the poverty line is 35K. That's 17k/yr less than poverty. You're talking roomate + beans and rice money for just patreon income. You could certainly cut back to a part time job.

I don't know anything about ad and con income.

You need to be making 3k-4k to "make your living."

It's still a pretty small income considering the time invested, and the fact that there's no benefits and no job security.

Something like Starbucks or a big chain grocers, which give good benefits, would be a great complement to a solidly popular webcomic.

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>>77577659

>>77579472
>In the U.S the poverty line is 35K.

Bullshit. If you make 35K a year, and you're living in poverty, you're doing something horribly wrong.

The only way that could be true is if we're talking about like a family or something.

I wonder where is Dustin?

I was about comment about his comic.

>>77579319
disposable income is income after all bills are paid, that's why it's called that. it may have been a misnomer at some point but now 100 percent of people use it that way
in any case though we now know what you meant and holy shit if you can make that much.. jesus tapdancing christ. you could put yourself through college on 1000 extra a month

>>77579472
poverty line is defined a bit differently in different places, but it's typically 13k - 17k a year dude
but he was talking about making 12k a year in pure gravy after bills are paid. that's nuts.

>>77579614
i fuckin love me some dancing girls. you have some talent there good chum. what's the comic about?

>>77579756

12k/yr in disposable income would be great for anybody. Just imagine 250 dollars a week to fuck around with. You could probably eat out for every meal.

And yeah, you're right that it is defined differently in different places, but 18k is not a lot of money anywhere.

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>>77575025
ha yeah that was a great video. when i was a kid, my dad stockpiled a bunch of these old "international combat arms" magazines thatvwere essentially huge fear-mongering catalogs of cold war tech. that really fostered my interest of weapons in that era, and inevitably ended up as a theme id like to touch upon in the comic. (post war border tensions with plenty of clandestine OPER8ING)

one of the central characters, joe, is based off 80s-90s delta operators. a lot of his appearance and gear (rail-less sig 220s, car15s with fixed carry handles etc.) are designed to reflect that.

>>77579773
http://vigormortis.co.uk/

This bit (the next page) is actually a flashback.

>>77579873
seriously. i dont know anyone who has that much extra a month.. because if you make that much more, you start living more expensively. so I guess maybe 'bills' can include luxuries and thus have different definitions of disposable or discretionary, but.. yeah.
i can live quite comfortably on 18k though as long as i dont owe any additional money.. but i do. goddamn student loans, punitive tax rate for self-employed, and rather minor but still extant medical bills. and that was in a place with super high rent, if i got down to 500 a month in rent i could live on 15k easily.

>>77579885
oh it's you, neato.

>>77579756

I have 35k take home after bills, but I rarely have time to mess with my comic, at times... wish I could make comics full time...

>>77580108
that is the other problem. if you work full time and have any kind of commute you will never have free time, not to spend with family (or finding dates to eventually start a family) let alone any hobbies. not unless you're one of those lucky bastards who can get by on a lot less sleep. but artists often need even more than usual, i know i do

>>77580135

I drive semis, I can usually work on my stuff 2 to 3 hrs a day, and then I try to get about 10 to 20 hra. Done on the weekends when I am back home, but, see, if i decide to not come back home on weekends, my pay can go from 53k to 65k usually, plus benefits, BUT! It kills me daily, that I cant work on my art, although. .., story wise, I can get some mileage down for that as I voice record all my sweet ideas when im on the road, but its the art part that I want to do too. Doing trucking btw to save to get into SCAD so I can get a job in art... so I can better pursue my dreams and hobbies

>>77580271

Namely web-comics...

>>77580271
oof. not to mention what constant sitting does to your body.
that's pretty good muns though guy. if i could drive i might do half as many hours as you and make half the money and count myself lucky

>>77580335

Yeah, it can really suck to have to sit around driving for about 8 to 10 hrs daily, but its stupidly easy and relatively stress free, as long as you are laid back about any problems, but its hard to maintain your weight sitting all day, I try to workout everyday to every other day, squats, pushups, crunches, etc. and eating healthy can get rough too, but I drink V8s and eat bananas for breakfast and snack on jerky and bananas and water for the rest of the day, I try my hardest to calorie count too. But back on track, I can make about 60 on commissions, and I could pop out 2 to 3 daily which could potentially make me 180 daily, which isnt too bad.

>>77580488
yeah if you can find 3 people a day willing to do those big commissions.. actually if you can do a 60 dollar commission in a few hours that's damn impressive

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Stats time!

What a reversal! The Deviants comic is still going fairly strong (highest view count is 1,195 in a day) but only surges when the artist announces an update on her FB page. Meanwhile Super Sexy is getting up there, especially today, despite the artist not announcing the updates. Looks like the /ss/ comic might reign supreme soon enough.

>>77576020

Considering I pay to get my art done, I can't say I'm anywhere near to making money but this is an investment that is slowly getting there.

I got an affiliate program with Hub Traffic and post up hentai videos weekly. It's only been two weeks and I got 5 cents so far which is promising when I get better and more content to post.

Project Wonderful is helping out in two ways in which I am advertising and getting a nice chunk of people, 131 clicks over the past 15 hours. And I have three ads on my website and have made 1 cent these past 15 hours. But this is just the beginning, I can't wait to see how things will be in a month. And this website has only been active for a month and a half now.

>>77580672

Link?

>>77580647

Funny nuff its usually smut commishs, but, wish I could just work on the comic for cash instead.

>>77580901
i just need to make some connections. i'd fucking love to draw all day for people

>>77580858

Here you go!

http://www.sexyversecomics.com/

I'm going to have to change themes, this one doesn't seem to do well with ads.

>>77580917

I got lucky once once for a week and got a steady stream, but it gets tiring sitting anywhere from 5 to 6 hour increments, and working like a dog at times, but at least no boss, can loterally work in your boxers and wife beater, with a fancy coffee, but, smut isny my ultimate goal, id like to be known for my stories and art than a smit pandler, which there is nothing wrong with that.

>>77580997
>wearing clothes in your own house
yeah if i was doing it for hourrrs and hours i'd need to make more to be really satisfied. but i'd have to do it every day to make money so fueh..

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Background art for first panel of a comic I'm working on. Comfy or not comfy? I want this to be a silly, comfy comic that's not too challenging in the art department. Basically something to do to build experience.

>>77581202

Looks good and simple. It's surprising how much backgrounds don't matter when the emphasis isn't on it.

For example Scandi's comic needs great background because the whole thing is visually impressive, other comics don't need to.

>>77581202
Looks bad. Also I don't know what you were trying to do with the shade in the back but it looks like it's just painted on a wall, like a mural, if you get what I mean.

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The Sisters Update: 4 Pager.
thesisters-comic.com
http://tapastic.com/episode/228475

Scott's funeral.

How's everyone today?

>>77581303
Fade from visibility. It's late in the day. Depth isn't a huge concern of mine with this. Besides that, what makes it look bad to you?

>>77581202
>comfy or not comfy
it looks roughly halfway between warm-and-comfy and grim-and-foreboding. mainly the light levels and color tones, this is very dull. if you want it to be comfier, you could warm it up a bit. richer orangey browns and brighter yellowier greens.. maybe some light shining through..
also it's pretty sterile, rocks, no shrubs, no extraneous branches..
i'll say this though, it's very CLEAN and neat, and that's hard for backgrounds. this is very appropriate for a comic.

>>77581312
there's an image nobody needs
funerals are always so damn grim and bummery and awful in fiction.. i've only been to one, and it was basically just a little brief meeting at a church, a eulogy, a hymn or two, and then down to the basement for lots and lots of eating. appropriate since my relationship with the deceased was 'step-grandson who fucking loved her food' and i inherited an apple pie from her

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>>77580672
Are we posting stats now? Here's mine, showing that the trend of growth is continuing. On the left, the chart on the top is bandwidth usage per month. My comic launched in September. Underneath that on the left is the data for this month so far per day. I tend to only look at bandwidth used to indicate how many people are viewing my comic. The statistic for today isn't complete and I expect it to be slightly lower than yesterday's in bandwidth usage, as is typical of the Wednesday/Thursday slump you can see from the previous weeks of this month. On the right is a big list of all the countries that I've received visitors from. A rule of thumb is if the bandwidth usage is under 2mb it's likely that no real people from that country have visited my site. There are several slightly below 2mb with a small number of hits, indicating it could be one single person in that country who went to the homepage and then left.

Hopefully I can maintain this upward trend by both providing a comic that people like and not missing any updates. I did a bit of advertising through PW and overall I'm happy with the number of clicks I got to my site through that, I'll probably do a 4chan banner eventually. Anyone here had any success with advertising on 4chan?

>>77581513
Well the wake is next week's update.
And Scott was the victim of a shape-shifting disemboweling Satanist. You never really walk away from it pretty.

Of course that's just Orea's sight. Everyone else thinks it was an okay service, and they'd complain about the spring sunlight getting blocked out by clouds; but frankly getting a corpse out of the morgue so soon after the grisly murder was cause enough to be happy it got buried at all.

Funeral's generally are bummey and awful in fiction. But we're just here for the one scene, so we figured to make it count.

>>77581417
It's extremely flat, both from the absence of shading and the lack of overlapping. Color choice is poor and makes the scene look drab. The random patches of grass look downright childish.

>>77581202

The structure and composition are there, the execution just feels a bit rushed.

Like it's totally fine you want this to be an art-lite project, but then the challenge comes out in the layouts. Getting the most amount of story with the least amount of art.

Because, needless to say, the sudden grey behind all those trees is sorta off-putting. Like, if that's a stone wall, add some cobblestones, try and give everything a light bit of mark-making to add depth. You've got it on the ground, which is nice, but not following through throughout the piece really highlights the fact it's not there.

So with these sorts of depth-of-field shots, the farther you go in the distance, try adding a curve to it. Like a gradual change in the forest path, or some buildings on the horizon. Ideally, we don't see the vanishing point, but we can make a vague approximation of where it oughta be.

And color-wise, you're working a lot in the same value. Like, if you were to greyscale this image, it'd probably be hard to read as all the tones would be almost identical. So try and just have 1-2 midtone colors, a light, and a dark per scene. Especially if it's art-lite, using a limited palette will cut down time like nobody's business.

And sidenote, it looks like you're shading with black, which, sorta flattens everything out a bit. Old-school-wisdom says to always shade with the opposite color of the lightsource. Sun's yellow, shade with purple. Stuff like that. Really adds a real cohesion to it all.

>>77581513
> i've only been to one, and it was basically just a little brief meeting at a church, a eulogy, a hymn or two, and then down to the basement for lots and lots of eating.

That's not how most funerals go. At least not the ones I went to.

>>77581756
well mine's gonna be a party with all my cool shit and art on display, a little mini museum
clothing optional
and fucktons of food

>>77581613

Interesting, I don't really look at bandwidth usage but it's good to see how others maintain and monitor their websites.

I think the person who does Monstrous said they advertised on 4chan. I can't for reasons.

>>77581912
Wasn't that Will Draw For Food guy?

>>77581989
Yes, Will Draw For Food guy did advertise on 4chan not like I saw it and I know some others have as well. I almost want to say Kazerad of Prequel has advertised on 4chan.

>>77581684
>>77581737
This is some good feedback, thanks guys.

Would it be a better option to color in that gray with green or sky blue? I was trying to convey a sense of the depth of the forest without having to draw every tree. I see what you mean about the color pallet though, definitely will brighten it up.

I can't believe I forgot about the shading in color thing though! I've learned that before, I just seem to forget it every time.

The childishness is sort of on purpose. Tis a silly comic.

>>77581613
>>77580672
link to the comics?

>>77582069
http://miss-melee.com/

>>77582069

Boop!
http://www.sexyversecomics.com/

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>>77582039
Pretty sure that Kaz advertised on e621, playing with the fact that katia has a lot of porn there.

And since we're talking about kaz and ads, Rawrunes will probably get some of the Prequel audience thanks to pic related.

>>77576478
>.jpg
>used to be .png
why would you do this

>>77582061
yeah this is clearly efficiency. i'm down. but you've made it very gray as if it was relatively late on a very overcast day. to me that's comfy, but traditionally you're gonna wanna go brighter and warmer. even a shadowy area can show warmth

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Alright, so I've cleaned up, redrew and added some pages on the suggestion of some anons and friends
Here's the first chapter of my webcomic, "Curveball: Magic and Capitalism":

http://webcarrot.org/webcomic/curveball/ch1.html

Tell me what you think!

>>77582297

Go back to the last thread.

>>77582810
Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer site navigation that isn't endless scroll-based.

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>>77582810

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the hologram of a death god is trying to persuade giant bats to stop eating the carcass of a Olympian daemon before they are shot down by bone golems.

>>77581312
great update. feels
>>77579614
cool

How polarizing is lesbianism as a prevalent motif for the average person? By "average person" I don't mean you average 4channer or your average Tumblr user, I mean the average person. My potential comic wouldn't steer to romance/drama/yuri too hard but I fear it might be a bad move toward how viewership grows and what people expect from me moving forward.

>>77583679
What do you mean by "prevalent motif?" If you're defining a character by their sexuality then in my opinion you're doing a pretty shit job with them.

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>>77582810
I second the endless scrolling comment.

>>77583135
This looks great. I have such a terrible handles of limited palettes, I'm really digging this.

>>77583679
It all boils down on how that lesbianism plays in the story. If the story is not about the love between two women, you're barely going to bring it up, and I don't think its perception is going to be too different between regular Joes and people who looks for that stuff.

It would help you greatly to be open about it in its summary. My own comic is about a guy who has trouble figuring out his sexual orientation, but I made very clear when I began that it wasn't going to be yaoi, even though I may sail those waters, it's not what the story is about.

Here's the update for next Monday, I'm gonna use my weekend to try and make a little bit of buffer, I can't afford more delays for this chapter.
As always, I welcome any feedback on stuff I may be missing.

>>77583885

>if y'er still wanna sleep with her.

Should be something like "if ya still wanna sleep with her."

>>77584710
Abso-fucking-lutely! Originally she said "If y'er still thinking of getting laid with her" but sounded weird and changed it, and forgot to completely re-write it.
Thanks for the heads up!

Okay, round two. Still refining it a lot and putting shading into some areas, but nearly done. I replaced the gray with a sky blue gradient, decided against making it late in the day.

Also upped the brightness and saturation on the colors, and shaded/highlighted to some extent with purple and yellow.

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>>77585055
FUCK. I forgot to actually upload the image like a total tool.

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>>77585079

Definitely an improvement. The only concern that really jumps out at me is that you wanted it to be sorta easy-to-draw. And while all the pretty gradients and shading makes a better end product, dedicating all your work time to backgrounds might drain you.

Next time, try something like this. Limited palette, no rendering, desaturates as it goes back, simple, and reads easy.

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Another week, another $14.99

>>77583679
it's gonna piss me off but as long as it's A) hot and B) doesn't constantly talk about it as an issue, i'll probably still read it
and if i don't, fuck me, what do i matter? i'm sure as fuck not the average person.
also you can get away with a lot more if it's a very unusual / fantastical situation, not 'hey look at my version of normal real life this is sure how i write it' which is inherently going to bug at least some people

>>77585400

That gave me a good laugh.

>>77585079
much better. the filter over the background grass might be a bit too blue (and it's LIGHTER than the foreground grass when it should be darker) otherwise great job
and yeah like >>77585194
said you really dont have to worry about a lot of those tiny details (The tiny shading along the rims of the road for example) but it's not like you overdid gradients, you just used it for the sky

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BATTLE CITY!

A superhero comic(I know, I know) where almost all of the adult heroes and villains mysteriously disappeared two years prior. Since then the city has been overrun by countless gangs of teenage superthugs. And riding herd over them all? The ruthless MWT("Mean White Trash"), former sidekick to Lady Nightfall(think Robin).

As if that wasn't bad enough, the mafia has carved out their own piece of territory. Worst of all, some of the most rotten and vile of the old villains are still around. The police are doing all they can and the Federal government has practically abandoned the city entirely.

Before he turned evil, MWT was leader of "The Keen Teen Team"(all of these names are subject to change. The series is fairly tongue in cheek but I don't want to go overboard), most of whom are still around. Stunning Alien princess Nike has become a pop star and supermodel. Robot Lad has become a cold, emotionless tech mogul, his trillion dollar companies keeping the city on the bleeding edge of tech even as the morale of its beleaguered citizenry grows weaker and weaker. Shadow Lass has written a tell-all book about her time as Nightfall Lady's other protege and is working the talk show circuit. And no one's seen Kid Mighty for over a year.

But that's just the background. The real story begins when an eager young boy hops off the train...

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>>77585751

He calls himself 'Luminous'(though he'll come to be known as 'Glowbug', much to his chagrin), and he has the amazing ability to... glow in the dark. He escaped from his orphanage with a backpack full of worn action figures and hopped a train to the city of heroes. His plan is simple: To prove to everyone that the age of the superhero is far from over, that goodness and decency and justice still have a fighting chance in the brutalized streets of Battle City.

It's not long at all before the enthusiastic and optimistic little naif finds himself getting into all kinds of trouble. Luckily, he's not alone...

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>>77585854

Rattlesnake Sarah blows into town like a tornado. She's not Battle City's first magic cowgirl, but she's definitely the most dangerous. Months prior, she had a vision. A vision that she would be called upon to find and protect a young boy who would become a beacon of hope to a dying city.

But she's not Glowbug's only defender...

>>77585400
I read panel one as "no erections"

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>>77585899

The numerous teen supergangs treat the city like their own playground. They indulge themselves in vandalism, protection rackets, rioting and outright crime in broad daylight. But all have on thing in common: They know to steer clear of JUNIOR.

A lifelong resident, little is known of this gentle giant, other than to stay out of his way and not to piss him off. And like Sarah, he soon finds himself keeping watch over our little glowing protagonist.

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>>77585970

Those are most of the main characters so far. I'm writing a couple of mini comics to get warmed up, introductions to our three heroes. The first will be about Sarah's arrival in town and a few sketched panels of that one can be seen in >>77585899

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>>77586005

Here we have Shadow Lass, MWT and a yet-to-be-named young heroine who hosts an underground superthug fighting tourney.

And Terrorbull, everyone's favorite jobber.

>>77586005
Neat.
Good luck.

>>77581756
But they do. Where I live, funerals are usually conducted 4-7 days after death, after most people have cried their eyes out already. There will be a sob or two when the coffin is brought into the grave, but nothing drastic. And after that there indeed is lots of eating, and while it doesn't exactly look like a party, it's nowhere near grim and depressing.

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>>77586044

Oops meant to post this instead of >>77585854

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>>77586068

And here we have the last sketch. I'd love any feedback, especially on the more cartoony depictions of the characters. I'm torn between trying to emulate that old school classic Jack Kirby feel or just going full blown cartoon style.

>>77586118
oh so you haven't decided on a style yet? that explains a lot. my main comment was 'holy crap this style is all OVER the place'
i definitely like the more realistic styles better. stuff like >>77585970 and >>77586044 shows so much skill and imagination and variation, i mean look at >>77585899 .. those teeth! fantastic. , while stuff like the top-right of >>77585854 or to a lesser extent >>77586005 seems a lot more prefab... like.. you know those dumb collectible dolls like nendoroids and minimates and whatnot, where they just paint the likeness of a character over a standard shape body? they're so boring and rigid.. or like flash cartoons that use move around the basic sprites and never redraw them
then in the styles like >>77585751 it's not so much bad as it is.. eyes too close together.

>>77586206

That's some awesome feedback, thank you so much, and for the compliments! The ones you liked are the newer pieces so I seem to be leaning more towards that more realistic style, but I'm also kind of mad obsessed with trying pull off something more cartoony ('Long Gone Gulch' being a good example), but desu even though it's not super grimdark that might be too light for 'Battle City'.

Thanks again for taking the time to comment!

>>77585400

He is turning full tails tonight!

>>77582810
I was preparing a longer comment for you, but your first chapter sucks. The same way you don't care about drawing quality, the same way any potential readers won't care about your comic after looking at your first chapter, likely not even all of it. Recompose and redraw all of it. Note that I don't mention rewriting because I couldn't stomach actually reading the whole thing so I wouldn't know how it fares in this regard.

>>77586370
I'm not saying you can't alter the tone, by all means. you can even alter the detail
but don't let yourself use simpler designs and then start drawing them boringly, if you have it in you to do otherwise. after all, this is a comic. you're not recycling the art, and since you have to redraw the characters every single panel, why not have a little more FUN with it? it doesn't take any longer to draw a complex and unique face shape than it does to draw a square face, right? not once you have the hang of it.. and it doesn't take any longer to do these wonderful eyes that have genuine depth to them when seen at 3/4ths angles than it does to draw little glue-on googly eyes. for YOU anyway. For lesser people they have no choice. But yeah, you can do those things at whatever tone you wish

>>77586460
Can you give me a longer critique?

>>77586460

Wow, you're a total cock. If all you can do is shit on someone's efforts then don't fucking post anything at all, dickbag.

>>77582810

I think this is very creative and has a decent amount of potential, but yeah, you need to tighten up that art. The good news is it seems like you have the skill to illustrate your story, you're just being laaaaaazy! So stop being lazy and put in the effort!

Also there are more than a few typos. Come on, you've had access to spellcheck your entire life most likely. Don't be afraid to use it.

>>77586628
Oh, I did, but I don't see anything. I just want a more specific critique so I can know what to work on. I really don't have an editor or anything so...

>>77586688

Okay specifically. First off you're pretty good at drawing actual people. Keep practicing and keep studying but the fundamentals are definitely there. Your're not making back choices in your shots either, such as in the early scene where the couple is getting busy in bed. The closeups of her lips and the eye works to convey intimacy, though it would have been nice to have had some kind of establishing shot of the bedroom beforehand instead of that jarring transition.

The bedroom is where it all falls apart, as it did in the previous shot of the hallway. Your rendering on backgrounds and objects is very, very sloppy. There's no other word. The perspective is off as well. It looks very bad to be brutally honest, lots of scribbling which is unacceptable.

Also, look up '180 degree rule' and see how you broke it in the scene where she flying kicks the guard. This stuff is important, so study film language.

So you've got some strengths and you've got some weakness. Your strengths are solid but your weaknesses are absolutely sinking your work. But you've got ability and skill and it would be a shame if you didn't follow up. So study hard and keep at it!

>>77586688
in fairness, sometimes when there's more wrong than right, it's hard to convince yourself to put in the effort to give detailed feedback
but what you can't really do is expect someone to listen to that kind of critique. best to select something you consider to be basic and intrinsic to the process and make THAT your suggestion. In the end if they need to start over, that will still be clear by your suggestion, but it'll be more palatable

>>77586589

You're making me blush, and you've pretty much convinced me to lean more towards the less cartoony side of things, or at least not too overboard. Thanks again for the feedback.

>>77586868
thank you
>>77586883
well, I don't mind the bad critiques, because they help me to improve on my comic. This is my first comic, so I would like for there to be a person I could talk to who could lead me in the direct way on my comic, because I really want it to be successful. I'm in the discordia chat if anyone is willing to help me understand and figure out what I'm doing wrong, so I can improve my weaknesses. That's why I'm posting it to 4chan to begin with, because I know anonymously, you guys will be very honest and though it hurts, it's something necessary for me to improve.

>>77586960
funny thing is, those bits i liked, in my book they ARE pretty cartoony. but cartoony done right (which cartoons typically don't, because budget). it's still not my favorite kinda art at all, but you do it well. I feel like the bits that make it good could be applied to any style and probably improve it a bit.
also it's pretty clear you did some studying, so you've earned a bit of positivity. i'm only just learning those bits.

>>77586971
i would say that you seem to be more of a painter than a comic-er at the moment. i'd like to see you kinda start over at sketches and plan and plot things out, and show us how you do that. since obviously you have no trouble with the finishing touches

>>77587062
Yeah, I will, but I would just like for one person to explain everything I did wrong. EVERYTHING. I'm frustrated too. I understand the art sucks, but I'm just staring at the comic from a one man perspective and basically I'm a retard. People telling me "it sucks" isn't enough, because I'm an idiot. If anyone would be willing to chat with me about it, I'd appreciate that a lot, if not, then oh well

>>77587198
i think the problem is that while it clearly sucks, it also rocks pretty hard. I mean LOOK at it.. those could be portraits of real people, albeit tweaked slightly from reality (nosebridges not following the middle of a face, top of head and ears perhaps at a different plane than the rest of the face, etc). in the face of that it's hard to make suggestions. i recall going through similar problems with carrion girls guy

>>77585194
fucking hnnnnng<3

this is gonna be my phone background

>>77586625
OK, let's start with taking a look at http://webcarrot.org/webcomic/curveball/ch1/page4.jpg - tell me, do you not see anything bad about it? What do you even need the colors for? Later pages, even if not good themselves, still look better just because you stopped coloring them.

The lineart is ugly, stretching the definition of bare minimum. Colors and later shades go way off their boundaries like it's a problem to spend more than 1 minute on them. If the best looking stuff in your comic are pre-defined effects from Manga Studio, you know things aren't going very well.

The composition leaves a lot of unused, wasted space. See page 8 or page 17 for examples. What's the point of using fancy action lines or whatever that manga stuff is called if you have square miles of white background untainted by any content all around your movement sequences? All of the dynamic that wasn't already lost by horrible lineart quality* is gone with this.

"Oh but I can't draw very well so the outcome can't be much better". No. Go read later chapters of One Punch Man, the original, not Murata's version. The art is at around your level, but the composition is miles ahead of yours. If you feel insulted by comparison and think you are better, it's about time to start spending more than 5 minutes drawing each page.

Can't say much about writing, the first chapter is the super generic "MC does her undercover mission" stuff. It's been done to death but it still works as an introduction; don't expect people to be particularly hooked on it though.

So what's left? Good points? I don't see many. I guess an assassin using baseball pitches is a novelty, though the lengthy windup along with shouting the name of technique doesn't work very well with the stealthy nature of the trade. Oh, and the scrolling layout is neat, it saves time when reading, though opinions on this vary.

In the end I find >>77583007 comment strangely fitting. Learn from this failure and do better in the future.

>>77587342
I'm not insulted at all. I'm actually really grateful for your criticism. Can we exchange contact information, so I can figure out and learn how to improve from my mistake? It would actually mean the world to me

fuck I love it when a page is seeming kinda crappy, and you get bored with it but stick with it, and at the last second think of more fun shit to pepper in there and that makes it a lot better, or at least have a good ending

>>77585194
fucking data trees
i like to think this is what some kind of engineered animal would have as a closeup of its fur
>>77587342
didnt this person say they actually just recently redid the first chapter? so that actually is the newest stuff

>>77583679
>>77583833

Seconding this: what the hell do you mean by "lesbianism as a prevalent motif." Do you mean your comic is about lesbians?

You really shouldn't be cynically tailoring your comic and future career to an imaginary potential readership to begin with. You're lucky to get much attention at all doing something earnest, that interests you, at your full effort. Do you really think a comic with major stuff cut out of it because it might offend people will appeal? You're probably not a good enough writer + artist to create stuff to demand like that. I might be wrong. Are you an experienced screenwriter or something? Shit, you're lucky to even finish a full webcomic. Really feels like you're getting ahead of yourself.

Just go make your lesbians comic. If you're worried about it, do it under a psuedonym. But really if it's good enough, you should be proud to put your name on it and you should trust the right people to care about your work moving forward from it.

>>77587962
> You really shouldn't be cynically tailoring your comic and future career to an imaginary potential readership to begin with. You're lucky to get much attention at all doing something earnest, that interests you, at your full effort.
To be honest the insincere, tailored, targeted stuff makes a lot more money than earnest, authentic work about 100% of the time.

>>77588023

Can you demonstrate your point with concrete examples?

Most of the stuff I see that is supposedly "tailored and targeted" is actually lovingly and well crafted genre work - like how It's Always Sunny and Friends are lovingly and painstakingly made sitcomcs - or it is earnest work made by people who are dumb in just the right way, at the right place, at the right time.

The only straight up pandery stuff I see working is porn.

>>77588065
>Can you demonstrate your point with concrete examples?
Are you really asking this question?

Questionable Content, there you go. Now try explaining how it's lovingly and well crafted work and not just a throwaway for 10K+ per month. Go ahead.

>>77588178

QC wasn't pandering for the first five years at least, and those were the golden years for starting a webcomic. It's done cynically now, or just reflexively, but it falls into the second category of dumb at the right time.

>>77587342
Well, you probably won't come, but I'd definitely like to hear/read more about how I suck, my weaknesses and ask you or anyone else would be interested in critiquing me more questions, so here's a discordia link where I'm at,: https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFTo3h7m4.
Thanks to everyone else who gave me criticism(good or bad). I will definitely do some research and try to improve my work.

>>77588239
Dresden Codak
the SJW capeshit
any gaming comic
Frozen / Minions / cape movies and all similar cashgrabs
almost all anime, though it's not /co/
pretty much all sequels / reboots / remakes

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This isn't a web comic, but a cool comic book project - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1135527570/scooper-comic-book-issue-1

>>77578694
IIRC Sluggy Freelance's creator was the first to make money off of his webcomic full-time

Back when Megatokyo was hot shit Fred Gallagher was making money too, but he had to go back to his architect job

Handstab and Willis make their living off of webcomics

all I can think of right now

>>77589459
It's outdated, they're probably more now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_webcomic_artists

Alright thread could you lighten the fuck up for a second?

Here, I'll help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdZFmeMWrtk

>>77576039

Wow this is cool. How long has this been part of the threads?

>>77592036
Since 50 threads or so desu; lurk more haha

>>77588457
shit I thought that guy looks like like sperm. am I too dirty??

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>>77579614

>>77583135
Man, I love your bone dudes.

>>77589459
>>77589500

http://www.pledgesociety.com/?by=earnings&category=3

This is an index of patreons that are described as webcomic patreons. There's about 100 of them making 1k or greater. That's enough to live on if you're frugal and have few expenses.

I'd say 25 - 30 of them are making enough that it's the equivalent of a decent job.

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>>77575998

working on a new page

>>77593591

ignore the filename, this is te 5th page

>>77593591
why would she touch a cactus? what's with that ugly ass textures? what's with that yugioh cards?

>>77593591
oh god I thought that cactus was a lust-penis from the thumbnail

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>>77593591

shaded, taking a coffee and banana nut muffin break before i do the word balloons

>>77594138
1-rabbit girls have thick skin
2-there not textures there stamp brushes i downloaded for sketchbook pro

ive only used the wood and dirt brushes so far for this comic

>>77594182
ha, fuck, now i cant unsee it and theres no time to change it senpai

Alright. Hey mods.

Could you help us with our problem? He's getting pretty flagrant.

>want to write a fantasy story
>can't think of the meat/plot of the story that would lead the main character to taking down the villain that took over the kingdom

Everything's been done before, mang.

>>77594274
thanks doc

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>>77594138

oh and its not even remotely like a yu-gi-oh card, its a completely original fates card

here is a booster pack prototype i made up for it

>>77594274

That cactus looks a bit like a penis in the thumbnail.

>>77593279
What this analysis is missing is that most webcomickers also have ads on their site and sell some form of merch, which all represent additional revenue streams. I know the creator of Sam & Fuzzy makes a living off of his comic even though he makes far less than $1k/month from his Patreon. He was making a living off of it before Patreon, the Patreon to him is just an additional revenue stream (a strategy I think all people who seek to make a living off of comics should mirror).

>>77590843
>he thinks this is bad
new to the threads are you

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>>77594274

and its done! I hope yall like it!

more pages here: http://fates.thecomicseries.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-BiG0GCRs&list=PL6EA21F036760F38B&index=30

>>77594286
this really isnt nearly as bad as he gets, ignore it
>>77594306
make up the dumbest possible reason, then have it lead to that through unforeseen but carefully hinted-at means

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Hey guys, been a while, very busy.

Here's a new angel look. The more innocent and adorable she looks, the more fun it is to ruin her.

>>77595564
rule 34 when?

>>77595564

Nice progression man, I remeber when your early stuff was bad, its showing off that your really working and improving, congrats

>>77595564
your faces are getting less all-over-the-place in terms of shape, good going.. now maybe try some different angles, those will come up at one point or another and it's good to have the practice ready.

>>77595099
Quite the opposite.

I just had a tipping point and we definitely crossed it. I don't care if we've been worse. It's that we've been a certain level of bad rather consistently for a long time.

People gotta lighten the fuck up and have more ambition. Be willing to learn more than they know now.

>>77595564

Your hands are still too big. You need to shrink them in order to give the character some balance. They're also really lacking in structure and feel too flat compared to the rest of the character.

Everything else is actually quite nice. 6/10 from me.

>>77595742
When ever you make it.
>>77595777
Thanks, and here's to more improving.
>>77596166
Alright, I'll make her hand smaller and try to give them some structure.

>>77595564

Shoulder seem too pointy, as do a lot of other featurea, simply smooth them out, hands, simply draw from life, put your left hand in a certain position, sketch with your right, change left hand position with different perspective and position, wash, rinse, repeat, similar with legs, the perspectives and proportions are off, draw from life, use a mirror and a stool, try to position your legs in different ways, sketch, change, repeat, or, lookour up sports magazines online and draw athletes in motion, usually swimmers, gymnasts, runners, etc., or look up nude models, but that can get distracting.

>>77596302

Then apply what you learned from life drawing and apply it too your toons, it makes the work worth it in the long run, but your faces are improving nicely, tey to draw them from other perspectives than jusr 3/4 turn to challenge yourself, try from behind, side, top, looking up from bottom, these will also improve your reference sheets in the future

>>77594306
>Everything's been done before, mang.

Honestly, I think there are far too few really good fantasy webcomics that just tell a good story, cliché or not. Everyone always worries about being completely original and trying to deconstruct the genre they want to write in, but there seem to be very few people that actually embrace generic, but very well executed fantasy.

>>77596302
>>77596357
Alright, I will try that, thanks man.

>>77595564

>Shitty artist who frequents web/co/:
>"I am growing stronger."

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>>77582255
I wish I got to work with kaz :(

>>77596715

>Taste the rainbow motherfucker!

http://youtu.be/KzVpwJZYQ-A

>>77596715
Post your own art and the progress you've made on it

>>77596879
It was a compliment.

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/133609653865/
Guns are really really nice objects, despite the whole 'murder' thing.
Killing people has kinda ruined guns' reputation for slinging bits of lead very quickly

>>77596906
OK, then. Post your own art so we can compliment it.

>>77596842
That would imply Kaz works.

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>>77597120
I think I've made a few leaps and bounds.

>>77597041
just imagine if we could have attached messages to cannonballs.. that wouldve become a big thing

man he's a lot more of a target now than he used to be though... he's committed himself to shooting any additional guards.

>>77597218
definitely

Hey everyone. >>77585751 Here. Since this thread's jumping again I want to ask you guys how well you think this character reads as Native American.

>>77585899
>>77586005
>>77586118

I know it's super sketchy and the style's all over the place but I just wanna know if I'm on the right track. Turns out getting an authentic Native American ethnic look isn't super easy.

>>77595564
It's really interesting looking at this, especially the bottom middle picture, because it shows off your style, when really not too long ago you didn't have a proper style, your art was just really crappy drawings. It's pretty remarkable how much you've improved.

Meanwhile, back at the HYW skype chat headquarters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UG4UI7Q9aI

>>77598439
You have a lot to learn about the damage done by stupid, stupid, STUPID ass rumors like these.

Do you trust everyone to handle out of context information responsibly?

If so, why?

>>77599116
I've never understood the Skype chat drama.

>>77599144
Imagine 4chan minus anonymity

>>77599144
Well it's just that occasionally, someone in there will think it's hirariously epin to go to the threads and go "baka senpai dawg bruh amirite? us /co/mrades"

It would be different if they didn't do this anonymously. But they clearly value their privacy, while infringing on a private trust.

>>77597745
Huh, I'm really developing my own style?
Wow, I was just doing little doodles and stuff, I guess this just something that happens over time.

>>77599254
The way I can tell is the way you draw facial expressions now compared to your webcomic beginnings.

>>77599222
Sounds like you're being a whiny baby desu.

>>77599144
Its dumb stuff that shouldnt even be mentioned in these threads, since the skype group is only tangentially related to /co/

In short, people like to start shit

>>77597433
it varies tremendously
the nose looks native american in some shots, but then with the eyeliner and lips it looks arabian. with the snake fangs face he looks straight up white. and in the third one.. i don't even see which one is meant to be that same character.

>>77595564
I hope you die. I really do.

>>77601477
you're in luck, anon. it turns out everyone dies!

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Moonlit Brew has now updated with Page 2 and 3!

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>>77596715

>>77601988
That sounds awesome!
Apparently, the zoloft isn't working yet.

>>77602060
so THAT's what that's called

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Hey ho /co/mrades!
New Will Draw for Food
A little stale and a little late, but just as good as ever!

>>77603536
your comic is boring and uninspired.

>>77603577
Revelating opinion, my good man.

>>77603536
I like dis

>>77603536
the last one took me a second
>>77603577
that's the joke.

>>77603536
I see you avoided going with the obvious papyrus and sans

>>77603896
Sadly anon, I'm not familiar enough with Undertale. Only enough to know who you're talking about.

>>77603969
same here, but the body types fit perfectly.

on a side note, nice choice to use the guys from 101 dalmatians

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>/aco/ thread is kill

Is it even worth making another one or should I just post heavily censored pages here?

>>77604494
If you do post offsite links to the goodies.

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>>77604384
Thanks! I don't know why, but they're always the first two I think of when I think of that particular trope.

>>77604494
I haven't gone into the /aco/ thread, I thought it was silly, but then again, I don't have much Rule 34 of my comic. Of course, my other comics (not Will Draw for Food) have fappable characters, but they're young, so anything I make would technically file under pedophelia, and thats not something I want on my plate.

Anyways, /aco/ is still young, whether you post in it or not will ultimately decide its fate on /aco/.

>>77603577
In addition to your revelating opinion, my friend, I hope you're not misled by the comic's style that I am not a good artist. See pic related.

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>>77604554
>>77604612

Well one of my comics is currently in the middle of hardcore sex so it's kind of hard to come up with good censors. I would like to replicate anime's infamous rays of light and shadows but that might be awkward figuring in the panels and how to do fast and easy.

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>>77604786

The alternative is this, what I normally post is an update crop image of the current week and rub my palms as I tell people to come on over to my website.

>>77604786
Ehh, it's impossible for me to get an erection to Western smut anymore if it doesn't involve hot superhero chicks in masks.

>>77604786
You are the lifeblood of /aco/ my friend. Keep it flowing strong! and hard!

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>>77604849

Well there is this.

>>77604886

Thank you! Things are getting progressively better. Thank god I have money to throw at this for a while.

>>77604924
That doesn't work either, it has to be original characters. I'm fucked up.

>>77604946
You have refined tasted, anon, not fucked up.
You craze the excitement of seeing something new, it is a new experience, you are an adventurous type.

>>77604612
>fappable characters, but they're young

Where's a Hansen Pepe when you need one. Not that I'm judging.

>>77604960
If I'm so refined how come hardly anybody caters to my fetish?!?

>>77604612
it's not on your plate until you put parsley next to it and present it. nobody's going through your dishwasher

>>77604987
Rare taste.

>>77605002
>>77604983
Fair enough, I mean, I've drawn my share of rule 34. Just never kids though, you know?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some uptight priest here, but I'm just afraid that in this age of technology and information. If someone wanted to pull up my dirt dishes, it wouldn't be too hard. And thats quite a dirty dish to pull up.

On the other hand, I know Rebecca Sugar (nice lady by the way, very sweet) has drawn her share of dirty things and children, and she's got a god damn show on Cartoon Network.

Alright no bullshit I'm thinking about making a comic about

> A boy that falls in love with a girl then through some deus ex machina

My though was since I just want to improve on the mechanical parts of making a comic, getting dialog that doesn't suck ass, paneling and all that the concept can be unimportant. And the premise is pretty standard for a romantic comic.

what do you guys think?

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>>77604987

Sorry, if I shared or saw anything lucrative in catering to your fetish, I'd do it.

Now, /ss/, that's something I can get behind.

>>77605073

It's surprisingly lax in terms of what artists have drawn. In most cases I doubt anybody would ever bother to dredge up anything like that. Or otherwise a lot of artists would be out of work.

>>77605180
Well I mean you have a comic called "Super Sexy" it's not too much of a stretch that you could work that in, maybe not as a major point but at least as a little thing.

>>77605180
That's fair enough. I'll have to think it over. Maybe if someone requests something.

>>77605228

Well it started off as being a Teen Titans knock off where five teens with powers just literally fuck around in their tower. With the /ss/ angle being so popular, I see this as an opportunity to focus on that. I don't see much competition for it. Now it's going to be more like Fantastic Four where Cameron, the shota, is the Reed Richards and every other member is a female that takes turns on him.

>>77605244

Go the anime route and make some kind of distinction. "They're actually 1,000 years old" or "they just look young but are actually legal age." I'm using that last one myself.

Genzoman works for Udon and he's drawn loli and Fuu getting fucked by a squirrel. And Zone is a member of a video game company (that isn't doing fanservice or porn to promote their game, literally the dumbest thing ever and now I'm mad).

>>77604612
>I am a good artist. See pic related.
>basic figure drawing

Dunno if I should laugh or cry.

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>>77605244

If you ever need a place to post your naughty stuff, let me know.

Link me some you've already done. We all know you got a stash on your computer.

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gettin there

very slowly

>>77605404
Who sent you and how much do they know?
I'm intrigued. Tell me more.

>>77605411
don't be discouraged but i liked your first version best, and i liked your previous one better than this one

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>>77605539

Not to sound like an opportunistic sleazeball but I don't really have any money to throw at you for it but if you want to work on this secret dark passion of yours, I can help you in terms of brainstorming, writing, and hosting. I have a website and it's getting better but I'd love to have more content.

It really boils down to how badly you want to do it. I'm not saying you should work for free, I'm just offering you some help and a place to do it without any fear. And I'll plug you webcomic, galleries, patreon, etc.

I just want to make it big so I can quit the job that is slowly destroying my brain.

>>77605755
seriously. good luck with that dude.. do what it takes to get out of working all the time if that isnt for you. it sure as fuck isnt for most of us

>>77583135
>great update, feels.
Thanks, chief. Your stuff is looking aces as usual. Dig the character illustrations you've got up on your blog. You could probably put together a nice sketchbook pdf to sell at some point. I sort of like the necropunk hellscape thing you're doing, and you've got a good balance of mythologies that you seem to be handling in a way that makes me curious.

>>77605755
You could always find another job that doesn't destroy your brain. It will probably not pay as well, but it might require less effort and strain which could increase your quality of content by reduction of stress, increasing your chance of "making it big."

>>77605111
>No bullshit.
If you are being serious, which given the copypasta usually associated with this, and the things you want to improve on being so generic---I guess, it depends on why you want to make a romance. What you're pitching, that boiled down, is literally every single romantic comedy ever made. Boy falls for girl due to writer's hand and the three act structure.

Find a love story that interests you. Something unique. A man falls back in love with a woman after a home invasion ends in tragedy. A woman falls in lust with a man after hearing his ramblings after being drugged in the dentist's chair. A boy falls in love with a girl and both cope with how young hormonal desires might prevent this from being something that'll ever last; and look at the divorce rates in America, and our home lives, and we're so young do we really even want to be a couple when masturbation and drugs can get us the chemical thrill of it all without any chafing?

But sort of assuming copypaste meme bullshit. If for some reason that's not the case, I do hope you wow me. I'm a junkie for a romantic comedy, but they all fall apart in that third act.

>>77606003
the actual story of said phonepasta is a good story. which is why it's a fanfic.

>>77604612
dude, your art is less than mediocre. It's clear in your comic, and it's clear in those scratchy ass sketches. Are you serious though? You think you're a good enough artist that you can post those half assed sketches and expect me to go "Oh wow yeah, we have an experienced artist here."

You're delusional. Go practice and have some self awareness.

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>>77605617
oh not at all, I remember you from when I first started working on this version. do you really mean the first one as the best in your opinion? I still have to shade the rocks, add moss and a bunch more trees n establish the current.

>>77606918
Huh.. nope, i somehow remember it looking different. Nevermind me, the latest looks best.

>>77607019
the colors were definitely more vibrant but I was really just winging it. Now I've got some fog going on, which makes it all more mellow.

>>77606171
because very few romance stories go into people learning about each other or enjoying tricky ways of getting to know each other..

>>77606171
no, no it's not

>>77605337
I'm this guy

>>77606003
>>77606171
>>77608761
fuck it I'm going for it

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How do people mentally get to actually making there comic. I always get nervous and end up going back to the drawing board and starting again. Anyone else have this problem?

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Going to be on vacation for a week so I get to try and make a weeks' worth of comics in the next two days.

Why didn't I start sooner.

>>77608898

Just do it.

>>77609001
>five across the ass
kinky

>>77608898
>actually making there comic
What do you mean by this? Writing the script? Composing the pages? Or actually putting down lines after you've planned it all out?

>>77609123
Composing the page I suppose I have the most trouble with. I'll do it then re-do it again and again because I always think it's not good enough yet.

>>77609139
That's fine. I recommend you thoroughly plot it out to the end before you start drawing, otherwise your pacing will suffer. Also be extra very careful with your first couple pages, since that's what either makes or breaks a potential reader. Feel free to do thumbnails for, say, the middle of your comic and revisit the start occasionally if you don't want to stress about it so much all at once.

>>77608855
like i said, it's a good story
but it's already a story someone has already written

>>77608898
surely this isnt your art. this is the art of someone who has fun with it and doesn't have trouble mentally getting there

http://i.imgur.com/0aqe5HK.jpg
can't post it, boobles
blame scribs, twas his idea. as was the pun

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>>77609200
Thanks, I do do thumbnails but I should probably do much simpler ones and work a littler pages ahead. I think maybe sucking it up and doing it would help.

>>77609618
It is mine, been the first time I've drawn them in a while working on it now.

>>77603536
>>77603577
>>77604612

The comment was about your comic, and it's actually a harsh but true criticism.

This is a three panel joke comic - one of the most common and tested webcomic formats - with literally no backgrounds or shading. Do you really think this comic is entertaining and moreso inspired? Maybe lightly entertaining. Some of your jokes are good but everything could be so much better if your actually put effort into the comic.

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>>77606003
>necropunk hellscape

YOOOO ill be stealing this to describe bonemen from now on.

>you could probably put together a nice sketchbook pdf to sell at some point

i would love that. i'd be worried if i could get enough people to buy it though

>you've got a good balance of mythologies that you seem to be handling in a way that makes me curious.

thanks mang. more coming soon

>>77609645
well dog my cats, i like your art. not just expressive but inspiring, since your sketch lines sort of resemble mine. i could learn stuff
umm.. okay so you're having trouble actually assembling a comic.. wellll.. here's an idea: adapt a page or three's worth of scenery from an episode of a tv show you like. maybe some old 90s goodness, batman or summat. in the process of adapting the animation you'll get a better handle on how to plot out a page.
as for it never being good enough, yeah, it never will be. just leggo and move on.

>>77609631
ooh and now the site has updated
http://kiwidayn.comicgenesis.com/ so you can check it out there
.. hmm .. crap, coloring error. fixing!

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>>77609672
Thanks man. That's really nice to hear. I posted a pretty much finished page 1 ages ago back here and my style has shifted a lot since then.

>>77609780
I'm assuming this is the new art. Her pose looks unnatural. Try emulating it, right shoulder up, away from table, left arm up and left hand bent 90 degrees just to fondle hair-- it feels bad and looks bad. Her left eye is also looking bad, I don't know how you missed that. The rest is good. I think you should reconsider the jar with the heart in it. Those wide corks look silly, but the way it overlaps the other jar and her chair makes it look oddly opaque when it's clearly not. Perspective looks okay. The two scrolls on the bottom shelf look very flat and stick out like sore thumbs.

>>77609947
Yeah that's the old art. I'm probably going to redo the whole thing. I agree her pose is really off. I was struggling with a lot in this panel and I think it shows. Hopefully the second attempt at it will come off more natural. I think the whole thing just looks very stiff.

>>77609780
ohhhh yeahhh it's ringing bells now. as i recall, i thought it was fantastic but a few people pointed out some perspective errors in the background.
>>77609947
man i know i have trouble with side-ish poses and shoulders a lot too. . but i think the issue with the eye is that the downstage eye's lower lid is raised while the upstage eye's lower lid isn't, but both have upper lids lowered.. and from that angle that looks weird, but i don't think it's actually wrong.
there really are jars with big-ass corks like that, i've seen em.

>>77610015
>downstage >upstage
Just say left and right you dork.
>from that angle that looks weird, but i don't think it's actually wrong.
No, it's definitely incorrect.

>>77609645
>>77609780
Alright this art is super super cute.

Where can I see more of it?

Doing pretty good with these ads I'm running. My goal is to make enough to pay for the ads I'm buying on other sites.

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>>77610565
Thank you very much. I upload most of my art here http://massivetilesale.tumblr.com/

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I quite like this colours in this page.

http://vigormortis.co.uk/

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Saturday is a day for updates! What do you guys think?

>>77611092
And eventually you won't need to advertise anymore and you can just straight up make money.

>>77611844
Looks like we're about to see the climax of this scene. Great page overall. Lots of movement. Her outfit rocks.

I love Miss Melee's outfit.

>>77611844
Her family is really naive, aren't they?

>>77613232
Thanks!

>>77613709
Are you implying that Miss Melee and Janice Jones are the same person? There's no way someone could be a wife, mother AND a superhero! It would be inconceivable for her family to even consider that she could have a secret THAT big!

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Here's the WIP of the next page!

It has major spoilers so, you know, read at your own risk.

>>77614833
Okay, but what about your other comic?

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>>77616084

oh god he has more than one?

>>77611562
whoa, nice shit. it's all verycuteandpretty
psst, emerald has two left feet

>>77614833
too* ugly

>>77609997
The art looks niceas a whole, but as you say her figure is awkward.
The shelf lines in the bg are too close to the window edge in the fg, too.
However, I had to look to find fault.
You have skills.

>>77616084
I'll get another one of those out tonight.

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ok so ive been drawing some people from real life, what do you think of these

1/3

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>>77618063

>>77618090
Her eyes aren't evenly spaced relative to her face's center line.

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>>77618090

3/3

>>77618063
>>77618090
>>77618113
>>>/ic/2289338

>>77618378

>Post ideas, art, comics you've done
>Share your website/portfolio
>Ask for critique, information, or advice on writing or drawing
>Do some fanart for someone if you feel so inclined.
>Do some exercises. It'll be fun
>Practice Practice Practice

>>77618422
Those pics are clearly not webcomic-related. They belong in the Batman thread.

>>77618422
>>information, or advice on writing or drawing
It's all there on /ic/. You're welcome.

>>77618468
>>77618470

New rule:
>We will not accept single art pieces unless It got do with your comic.

>>77618689
I support this rule. Single art pieces unrelated to a comic should go in the Batman thread.

>>77618090
well you're observing shapes pretty well. now mix that with your construction techniques and see what comes out. hopefully something a little less.. melting. it'll actually be fun taking the shapes you observe and placing them onto the construction model

>>77618689
any practice from a webcomic artist is always accepted. we just dont recognize who this one is

dead thread

>>77621623
Yo mama

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Added a character to the panel. Opinions? Is the design good? How's the pose looking. Poses always give me trouble. Should I keep that line art or try and go lineless like with the background?

Also yes I stole some design elements from Castle Crashers and Zelda.

>>77621680
I mean he looks like a guy. It's hard to really say anything.

>>77621680
somehow i imagined the path was bigger than that, meaning a person would be smaller. No big deal, uh.. so far this is just a regular guy, but... hmm, upper body seems a little bigger than it should be for the lower body.. but that's a style choice
so the only mistake here is you have the same arm and leg going forward. i know that always feels right (it sucks to ever draw the downstage limb crossing in front of the body, but you have to!), so it's an easy mistake to make. just remember to alternate which arm and which leg are forward

>>77621680
You really need atmospheric perspective in that picture. The trees and the terrain should pick up more and more of the color of the sky as you go towards the horizon. The sky is WAY too blue, and it looks like it's the same value or a darker value than the terrain. Lots of empty space in the bottom of the picture, and the figure dead on the center isn't interesting.

Forests are tricky, don't be discouraged.

>>77621623

I guess we can talk about something.

If your character was chosen to be part of Lantern corps. Which lantern corp they going to be in?

>>77621772
well he did the last time we advised him, but he made the grass TOO blue. i think right now it's about right, you can see the path is slightly bluer, the rearish trees are bluer.. however the nearestmost trees are also bluer than the middle trees so that's not the best.
>forests are tricky
jesus i hate them. it's funny, i remeber.. ocarina of time had these alpha shots of just, a map CROWDED with trees, before they realized that would be hard to render.. and they were similar to stuff i imagined and dreamed about while playing it, because the 'forests' in the game are just walls and stuff, with trees implied.. then at the beginning of majora's mask we actually got to SEE a proper map with trees all around, but only for the intro.. and finally having drawn a webcomic, i can understand why nothing takes place in an actual forest full of trees: the fucking trees get in the way of everything

>>77621731
Ah! That's something I forgot to correct when I switched out which leg was going forward.
>>77621772
I did have that atmospheric thing in the last version >>77585079. It was suggested it was too thick and the color lightened it up too much, so I just took it out. I see what you mean about the character's placement though, he should probably be in all that empty space near the bottom.

I'm not too discouraged. I'm still very new to this comic stuff, and I don't have nearly as much experience in art as many of the people here do.

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webcomic

belongingtonobody.tumblr.com

extra stuff

dumcasta.tumblr.com

>>77621941
>well he did the last time we advised him, but he made the grass TOO blue.
It's because the sky is way too saturated and way too dark. It should be the brightest value in the picture, and the terrain comes second. There should be at least another step in value from the foreground to the background, if you look at where the path ends it clearly doesn't merge well with the horizon.

Thick forests are a bitch to make interesting but if you lower the horizon and work on background/middle ground / foreground it's a lot easier to make a composition.

>>77621999
Off the top of my head you can look at Over the Garden Wall's background for great cartoon forest examples. The artist always separates background, middleground and foreground to create depth, which is really nice to give that closed space feel to the environment.

>>77622053
>>77622176
I had planned on taking him out of the forest in the very next panel, but now I'm sure of it.

>>77622019
that feel when you just start speaking french because fuckit

>>77622258
Why would you do that? You won't improve if you escape from problems, since drawing is all about solving problems. Nobody's pressing you, take all the time you need.

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This is probably gonna be the final version of this panel. I think I've hammered out the art style and I'm willing to live with the mistakes that are still in it. I'll look out for those in future panels. Now on to complete the strip and upload to tumblr.

>>77622346
Because:

1. I had already planned on a change of setting to a clearing on top of a mountain, which is probably easier to draw.
2. I'm pressing me! If I don't do this quickly enough I'll lose interest in it and I'll have one more dead project to add to the pile of shit I've never finished despite being really excited about.

>>77611619

BTW...I borrow some character designs from your main character.

I want your approval if you like the design.

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>>77616595
Thank you very much
I know, I saw after I submitted it. I always do that with feet, I am such a dingus.
>>77616649
Thank you very much. I'm not too used to doing a lot of background detail and am learning as I go with this comic so I think just a lot more practice will help me iron out the stuff that looks a bit off.

>>77624090
i've done it myself. whenever one foot is crossed over another it happens

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Current WIP. I was hoping to start painting it today, but I'm exhausted and tomorrow we have presidential elections, so I gotta wake up kinda early.

>>77624090
Whoa, this looks amazing! Seeing the process gives a whole different vibe.

>>77611844
Good looking page! The last panel looks fantastic!

>>77609717
Strip 250... Soon

Question, when does Sasha gets the design change? I noticed she's the one who changes clothes most of the time, but I was wondering when does she adopts her current look with the neon green thing in her shoulder?

>>77625148
Sasha changes clothes the most often because I keep giving her outfits i hate drawing (same with Robin but i just seem to hate drawing her in general, always gives me trouble). Her first outfit was a geometrically impossible sarong, so i had that replaced with a coconut bra and loincloth after it was eaten by a moth.. but that didn't really work very well with her transformation, so I had her get some special silk scarves spun by tsuchigumo, and those were fantastic.. multi-use.. could be worn in a variety of ways and used in combat.. resilient.. easy to move around when she transformed. everything except GOODLOOKING. they looked pretty bad, so after the timeskip I gave her a different, roomier loincloth and a t-shirt worn halfway inside out (cribbed from Ink Dolls) then in Hell she picked up the diablopilo, the psychically controlled hank of demon hair soaked in Napalmade(TM) that can transform into bladed weapons
So... to answer your question.. about 18 months ago

>>77624090
Girl in red has two left hands and a broken pinkie.

do you guys think an ensemble cast of main characters is better than just having one or two main characters?

>>77626293
Depends on your story, moron.

>>77626323
Pretty much this, yeah.

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>>77604612
Hano, how is it in the near 6 years I've known you that you haven't improved at all?

Remember when you said you were a "registered professional" artist?

>>77625705
you can't bend your pinkie like that when you have a vial tucked into it?

>>77626293
as someone with an ensemble cast.. no. it's tempting and fun to make one but don't do it. you'll have to draw them all in groups so often it'll drive you insane
>>77626862
looks good to me. what i wanna know is why sometimes he's pretty good, like in that thing you just posted, and sometimes pretty bad, like in that kids' book

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>>77627240
Because that isn't his art, it's a caricature I drew of him after he told me he was a registered professional.

>>77627335
hahaha, that's delicious. the way the style slowly changes as it goes down is perfect and appropriate. You are a master of satire. you're just givin him a hard time right?

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>>77627576
Mostly, I have a pretty light grudge against the guy, we frequented the same forum when I was like 13 and he was always super condescending to me.

Occasionally when I see him acting like an ass hat I'll throw in my two cents.

>>77627652
oh okay. we all need someone like that to keep us honest.

've never been in this thread before but I'm in the process of making a web comic but I'm running into a problem.

See, I'd like for the main character to be a brown girl, and all the tumblrinas kind of gives a bad name to the idea, and I don't want to looks like an SJW because of it. Another issue is I'm black as well so I feel nervous that people may see this character as a self insert. Should I just make her white or suck it up and take the hits I know I will get? Anyone else have this feeling or issue?

>>77627900
It's your webcomic, if you want to make a brown girl go right ahead, as long as the comic is good, it doesn't matter what color the characters are, people will still read it.

>>77627900
Make her a nonwhite, nonblack ethnicity, like American Indian or Nicaraguan.

>>77627900

Brown girls are always welcome, but that quickly changes at the hint of being for tumblr and SJWs. As long as it's not like that, it'll come across that way and nobody will think your comic is associated with all that. If you want to make it really obvious she's not like that, give her anti-SJW traits like being hot and enjoying sex, being a little crude, never have her emasculate guys to show she's tough, and most importantly no GRRRL POWER. If she's a badass, make sure her gender has nothing to do with it. Don't have guys be surprised she's so tough because she's a girl, don't even have it be an issue.

If she's just a regular girly girl, just don't make gender a thing unless it's about love and general girly things.

>>77627900
brown people are just cute
it's stupid this is still an issue in this day and age. in my day nobody cared about what color you were, they cared about how well you spoke english and how you dressed and what kind of music you listened to.

but let's face it, are you doing a comic set in a realistic setting? then you've dug your grave no matter what

>>77628364
Or you can do like a lot of shows do nowadays and leave it ambiguous. what race is Wordgirl? i mean aside from Lexiconian obviously. What race are her family? the Belchers? Melissa and her dad from Home Movies? anyone from Doug? it's pretty much up to you

>>77627900
Why do you want your character to be that ethnicity? What does it impact about how people in your setting perceive her? How would changing her race impact your themes?

Every decision made about a character's design is a reflection of their personality, their role in the story, their goals, their strengths, and their weaknesses. Don't decide everything on a whim. Also don't let fear dictate where your story goes.

>>77628534
not that guy but i've come to wish i had drawn more brown people because it's a lot easier to draw sweat on them than white people and have it actually show up.. plus you can have them go pale from sickness or whatever and it shows up. on the other hand, dark black people are unpleasant to draw because features get lost in the dark, you have to switch to light outlines if you want it to show up. which is why the vast majority of cartoons never color anyone darker than a wet paper bag or so

>>77628518

I think the exact opposite should be done. One thing that SJWs do is make their brown ambiguous. What you end up with is someone that looks like a white girl with a tan.

>>77628681
swrong with that? they dont have to be 'different'. if their culture is part of their character, fine. but if not, why should their race be? here in america we're just americans

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Hey guys I'm dropping a couple of albums of my two nsfw comics so far. I was wondering if I could get any feedback from it. I'm the writer but I'd like to hear about the art as well as the writing.

Fair warning, extremely nsfw.

Deviants
http://imgur.com/a/ekRPU

Super Sexy
http://imgur.com/a/Cnt9H

Also, I got a square ad on Questionable Content, pic related.

>>77628711

The beauty of a character with distinctive ethnicity is to have them further stand out. You make another brown girl and it's just a brown girl. You make an Indian girl and she has different facial features, ethnic background and beliefs, etc.

This is what drives me crazy about this perversion of diversity. It's just garbage pc talk with no substance. Make a character, make them brown and BAM you got a person of color.

A real writer would think about a diverse cast to make everyone seem different and give diversity to the story. Because that's what matters. The story. That's all that ever matters. Make the best story for others to enjoy.

>>77627900
I have the same problem! But I've really come to terms with it. My 'series' has three main characters, two being white males and the third being a biracial (Black and white) female. I am also a biracial female and for the longest time saw it as a pitiful self insert. But i found if i don't make her black just for the sake of being black it can work. You being black yourself, I'm sure you will give her the proper hair,skin shade and all that.I think making her accurate is the biggest key. SJW's love to make them either blond,give that skin discoloring or make them black as tar. Keep her black and keep her cute <3

I'm in the need for an opinion. I want to start a not-too-serious comic about slime girls. thats really the whole premise. My question is should i keep it borderline SFW or go the NSFW route?