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I'm 11 episodes in and this shit sucks
I'm at the part where the blonde woman just shot Wesley. He was my favourite character and I don't think I can go on
Does it get an better like SHIELD?
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>>77570751

go watch your childrens capeshit shows on the CW, faggot
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>>77570751
>I'm 11 episodes in and this shit sucks

You've got bad taste.

>I'm at the part where the blonde woman

Her name is Karen Paige. She's a main character.

>Does it get an better like SHIELD?

It's consistently better than the best episodes of Shield.
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>>77570751
If you think it's shit why did you watch 11 episodes?

Oh, I know, you just wanted to shitpost.

Well, the good thing is that Daredevil is widely acclaimed as one of the best live action capes, so it's fair to say that you just have shit taste.

/thread
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>>77570751
If you weren't into it by then, you likely aren't going to get into it at all.

No judgment, it just may not be for you.
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>>77570751
>watched 11 episodes
>doesn't know who Karen is

You're a retard
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>>77570751
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>>77570777
We need a good Ward focused episode in Agents soon. His special brand of psycho is refreshing. And I mean like an episode following him around, rather than Shield just hunting him again.
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I'm at episode 7 (so I'm going to stop reading this thread...) and so far I really like it...

Except for the mentor dude. Not only it makes Matt's power and aptitudes a lot more cliché than they were, but it also makes him less unique since there is basically an older and better version of himself.

I like where this is going though. Like how they're hinting at human-weapons, like that child who was captured, so we'll probably get mutated bad guys, perhaps even Fisk himself will end up with powers that way.
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Anyone know when the next season starts

Kinda curious who's going to get introduced besides punisher
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>>77570875

April 2016 methinks.
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>>77570875
We're getting Elektra too.
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>>77570751
I love that scene because I was surprised by that.

Wesley was great, yeah, but it feels like he was meant to die to further king pin's ascent.
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If you're 11 episodes in and think it's shit while at the same time implying that Agents of SHIELD is good and/better, just stop watching man.

You're a lost cause.
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>>77570778
>threading your own post
>being this cringe-y

I like Daredevil but you're too onion-skinned for this place.
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>>77570997
i dont watch shield i just heard it starts shit and gets better
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>>77571011

Whoever told you that was lying. It's just as shit as it's ever been.
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>>77570751
No, it's horrible, you should probably not watch it and never talk about it again.
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>>77570844
>Except for the mentor dude. Not only it makes Matt's power and aptitudes a lot more cliché than they were, but it also makes him less unique since there is basically an older and better version of himself.
Sticks was his mentor in the books though.

If there's anything t o complain about it's the russians for backwards characterization towards the end, killing off a strong new character, and one big thing I'm forgetting.
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>>77570778
>/threading your own post
Why do people think this is an ok thing to do?
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>>77570844
The mentor's episode was kinda cliche and cheesy, but I like his character. He's like a meaner DD who's devoid of any light or positive thoughts.
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>>77571040
>russians for backwards characterization towards the end
Can you expound on that, anon?
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>>77570810
Ward is best in moderation. Last episode had the perfect amount of Ward.
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>>77571021
>liar calling others liars
Nah, nigga. Nah.
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>>77570751
>Does it get an better like SHIELD?

Nah, is pretty shitty to be frank with you, frank
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>>77571021
spoken like someone who hasn't watched an episode since before winter soldier came out
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>>77571209
>it gets better after TWS meme
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>>77571220
>"differing opinions must be memes" meme
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>>77571254
Differing opinion is one thing.
"He hates it, must've never watched past pre-Winter Soldier episodes" is a retarded assumption and a meme.
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>>77571040
>Sticks was his mentor in the books though.

Well, I'll be damned. First time I ever heard of him; and I still don't like him. I think it's super cliché to have a mentor dude like that and it takes away some of DD's originality.
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>>77571254
That's quite the irony you got there since earlier you were pulling the "if you don't like it then you didn't watch it" meme. Pathetic.
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>>77570751
>I'm 11 episodes in and this shit sucks
Agreed
>Does it get an better like SHIELD?
Shield never got better
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>>77571293
>First time I ever heard of him;

Read a book, dude.
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>>77571267
You don't even have to like it after Winter Soldier, but if you really think it didn't improve at all you're objectively wrong.
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No, it probably just isn't to your tastes
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>>77571293
>I think it's super cliché to have a mentor dude like that and it takes away some of DD's originality.

Stick and Matt are like day and night. And what, did you think Matt learned all the ninja shit just on its own?
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>>77570751
Nice try
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>>77570810
Ward is one of the worst things about shield though.
At this point he's just monotonous and every encounter with him end up similarly. He's just a minor annoyance to throw a couple of the cast at every week because they need something for then to do.
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>>77571293
Pick up a book anon
>>77570844
>perhaps even Fisk himself will end up with powers that way.
no
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>>77571371
>>77571314
I've read a few, but not many. Like 2 story arcs + a few more issues.
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>>77570875
>>77570967
Bullseye was also confirmed.
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>>77570778
>Oh, I know, you just wanted to shitpost.
My god, get a personality.
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>>77570844
Kill yourself, Stick was the best episode and your assumption about other characters getting powers is retarded.
Your post is "I have never read a single Daredevil comic in my life and I'm proud of it".
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There's a couple of runs that the show was based on.
At the very least read those two.
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>>77570751
>can't even remember the blonde's name.

Anon, its only said like 100 times. Are you even fucking paying attention to the show? No wonder it sucks when you aren't even watching 98% of it.
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>>77570777
>It's consistently better than the best episodes of Shield.

To be fair, season 3 has been absolutely stellar, nearly every single episode thus far.
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>>77572196
>nearly every single episode thus far
I think the second episode was kinda weak but the last two were fantastic. Based Ward tearing shit up is so satisfying.
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>>77570810
...did you watch the most recent episode?
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>>77570751
You have awful taste, please leave.
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>>77571371
>>77571874
I've read a Spider-Man comic in which Fisk had super strength. Considering how they're talking at mutated people used as weapons in the series, I wouldn't be surprised. We're definitely getting this kind of stuff, and I said maybe Fisk.

I never said I was proud of anything nor that I have incredible knowledge of DD.
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>>77571021
You may want to give it another try. Because clearly you haven't watched since early season 1.
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>>77570751
>Does it get an better like SHIELD?

This is some weak bait.
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>>77572439
Fisk doesn't have super strength anymore, at least not like what you're thinking of. Dude's just as big and all muscle, and can basically outmuscle anybody who doesn't actually have super strength, but then you've got people like Spidey who can, and have, fucking humiliated him in a pure physical contest. Its why Fisk became more of a genius mastermind, vaguely Lex Luthor type instead.
I think the top physical feat that's still canon for Fisk is crushing a dude's skull with his bare hands once.
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>>77572439
>I've read a Spider-Man comic in which Fisk had super strength
No you didn't. You saw the cartoon where Fisk was really strong, and they downplayed Spidey's strength to put them on a more even level. Kingpin is fucking strong, but not super humanly strong.
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>>77572196
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>>77570751
>I'm 11 episodes in and this shit sucks
Yeah I like to leave shows on in the background too while I do other things too OP. I don't claim to have watched them though
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>>77572527
This is pathetic /tv/ tier bait where you keep saying "it gets better anon, I swear". I watched the piece of shit show until season 2, watched several episodes of that and realized that I could spend the time I waste on this garbage watching better tv shows or movies or reading comics.
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>>77572719
if you didn't like it by the first few episodes of season 2, then the show probably just isn't for you. But for a lot of other people, the post Turn, Turn, Turn episodes are well received and well liked.

No one is going to argue that the first 11 episodes or so are pretty shitty though.

If you didn't like it, that's cool and all, but "it gets better" is a totally valid claim to make when it absolutely does. Apparently not better enough for you, but there is an extremely noticeable increase in quality once the HYDRA reveal happens and season 2 fixes most of the problems from season 1.
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>>77571302

Yes it did, fuccboi. Watch beyond TWS.
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>>77572639

But SHIELD is GOAT, Anon.
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>>77572756

This. 99% of SHIELD haters never made it to the TWS crossover.
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>>77572756
>No one is going to argue that the first 11 episodes or so are pretty shitty though.
Yes they are. For all I know you might be one of them but since everyone's calling them utter shit in this thread you find it easier to pretend you agree and then claim it magically got great over night because the people that dropped it after several episodes can't argue against it.
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>>77570751
>Does it get an better like SHIELD?
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>>77570777
>It's consistently better than the best episodes of Shield

Why is it? Explain to me why this tv show is good?
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>Does it get an better like SHIELD?
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>>77572876
It doesn't have to be good to be better than Agents of S.H.I.T.
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>>77570751
>the blonde woman
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>>77572823
What? Literally no one claims the pre-HYDRA reveal episodes are good. Even the most diehard AoS fans.
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>>77572719

Agents of Shield is a scifi spy action adventure drama.

At its best, it will still be bound to its genre conventions.

Season 3 is about the best the show will consistently ever get. So yes, people are gonna recommend it. It's not /tv/ bait.
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I can completly understand not liking Agents of Shield and thinking it's shit, but you're absolutly wrong if you think it hasnt improved since season 1.
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>>77572909
Use your words, anon. Not your memes.
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>Daredevil thread
>mostly Agents of SHIELD discussion
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>>77572823
>Yes they are. For all I know you might be one of them but since everyone's calling them utter shit in this thread you find it easier to pretend you agree and then claim it magically got great over night because the people that dropped it after several episodes can't argue against it.

A show like Star Trek: The Next Generation had two poor-to-mediocre seasons before it really got better. The show as a whole now is consistently regarded as one of the best Star Trek shows.

AoS found its footing earlier and has hit a consistent level of quality.
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>>77572986
>AoS found its footing earlier and has hit a consistent level of quality.
Says one of 3 fans left that still watch it.
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>>77572940
>everything's a meme
Are you retarded, anon?
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>>77573005
AoSfags getting btfo
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>>77573025
>Agents of SHIT
>not a meme
Try again, anon.
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>>77572876
This nigger again.

I told you to post with a trip code so we can block you like a million times
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>>77573054
No, it's not a meme, you retard.
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>>77573064
Nope not the person you are on about. I like both shows, i just wanna know why that anon thinks daredevil is so good
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>>77573084
Don't try to hide from me faggot, you post the same bullshit every single time
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>>77572876
>>77572909
>>77572940

Daredevil has a main character. And two supporting protagonists. It has a strong, locked-in idea of what it wants to accomplish and where it's heading. There's no weak link in the acting.

The cinematography is good, excelletn use of color an lighting several episodes, some of the dialog is a little on-the-nose, but by comparison to other shows it's got far less exposition and there's subtext to the dialog.

At the end of Season 1, Matt Murdock is finally in costume as Daredevil, and Wilson Fisk has decided he's not on the side of the angels. No, you can dislike this, you can dislike the suit, you can dislike Fisk's speech about EVIIIIIIL, but it was on message.

I like AoS well enough, but a lot of the characters and acting were really in consistent at the start, even Coulson's characterization can be murky at times.
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>>77573110
>There's no weak link in the acting.
This is bait. Karen and Foggy are atrocious.
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>>77573128
Your opinion pal.

I didn't see any critics pointing that out, maybe it's just on your mind.
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>Agents of SHIELD
>about 4 or 5 actual SHIELD agents from the comics in three seasons
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>>77573038
>AoSfags getting btfo

The only beatings I'm seeing are from you on your own dick.
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>>77573146
A lot of people didn't like foggy, except for /co/ who thought he was "cute" and "charming". He made me cringe, personally, everytime he was on screen. I thought karen was ok.
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>>77573146
Acting is not an opinion. They, especially Foggy, feel like they're reading the lines from cardboards for the first time when they shoot the scenes.
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>>77573066
How is it not a meme? It's the very definition of a meme.
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>>77573110
See? THIS is how you give a critique. Using words and not just spouting memes and getting indignant when called out on it. Is that so hard?

The rest of you could learn a thing or two from this anon.
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>>77573212
A meme is an in joke no one takes seriously. "agents of shit" is just a title given by those who were massively disappointed in something that sounded good on paper. If it were a meme, the name would be something more clever.
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>>77573243
>If it were a meme, the name would be something more clever
>memes have to be clever
That's a big claim for you, to be quite honest family.
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>>77573261
You're right, the clever bit is really pushing it. Point is, it isn't a meme.
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>>77573128
>Karen and Foggy are atrocious.

Karen and Foggy are great.

Would you prefer they were covered in bruises and punched people a lot?
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>>77573212
Maybe you need to read up on what a meme is.
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>>77573276
>Foggy
Nope.
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>>77573276
Big words when Karen ends up killing one of the big bads by herself.
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>>77573280
Maybe you do, actually.
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>>77573212
memebro is that you?
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>>77573275
Even by your own incorrect definition, it's a meme. How is "Agents of SHIT" not an in-joke? A clever little in-joke play on words that is repeated ad nauseam by people on /tv/ and /co/.
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>>77573326
It's a play on words.
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>>77573276
Karen got extremely annoying towards the end when her primary role was to just whine about Fisk
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>>77573300

If only she had done it with a baton while wearing red leather.
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>>77570751
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Foggy, the weakest character on the show, not because of bad acting, but because of contrast in his character and the show's general tone, is by far better than the best character in any other cape show.
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There's a universe out there where Netflix got Fantastic Four and FOX got Daredevil. Thank God we don't live in it.
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>>77573400
Thank you westley!
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>>77572662
Yes I did and I've never seen that cartoon.
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The show actually does kind of suck on a rewatch. It just feels so empty and flat.
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>>77573450
Thanks for your input.
What an insightful review.
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>>77573450
Still better than agents of shit though
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>>77573357
A play on words? (Who plays words?)
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>>77573400
THANK YOU WESLEY
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>>77573502
>it's okay fellas, I'm only PRETENDING to be retarded
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>>77573529
Who are you quoting?
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>>77573005

Don't forget all the people in the talkback threads, fuccboi.
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>>77573598
Literally only shills post in "talkback threads" and they don't count as people because they're getting paid to have their opinions, or worse, they're doing it FOR FREE.
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>>77573492

Stop using this meme name.
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>>77573466
The show plays out like the people making it didn't really understand Matt Murdock as a character. The whole story felt like the first draft of a mediocre young adult murder mystery starring Karen Page as the blank slate audience insert who's in a love triangle with the adorkable average guy Foggy and the mysterious cool guy Matt Murdock, who is secretly her mystery rescuer.

They tried so hard to make the show mired in procedural mundanity, and they succeeded, because the show evokes the same feeling sitting in a court room does. It's boring as hell.

For a 13 hour run time, I felt like the show really didn't explore Matt as a character very well. It didn't even do more than the Ben Affleck movie. It streamlined so much of his story for no reason whatsoever. It's like they were trying to save time for something, but it never paid off. This version removed so many of the complexities of Daredevil
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>>77573616

>people who say good things about things I don't like are only doing so because they are paid

U WOT M8?
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>>77570751
U actually like agentes of shield?
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>>77573661
There's nothing wrong with using meme names, anon. You just need to be aware that it's a meme and not a valid criticism.
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>>77573702

99% of people who don't never made it to S01E17. Are you one of them?
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>>77570751
>I don't know what fight choreography is
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>>77573666
>who's in a love triangle with the adorkable average guy Foggy and the mysterious cool guy Matt Murdock

She wasn't even. Up until the end where Foggy hooked up with his ex they were pretty much only pushing Foggy and Karen as a couple with little to no emphasis on Karen and Matt.
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>>77573666

You people are the fucking worst

Truth is capes just aren't complex or deep; they may simulate those themes very well, but overall they're just fun stories about people fighting.

I love smart writing, but don't confuse well written with complex plot.

Daredevil is a perfect adaptation for television, it explored the characters as much as it needed for that medium. I felt it succeeded in doing what it tried to do, and you're overthinking the whole thing.
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>>77574631
No, the truth is they most certain have that level of depth, it's just you the reader that doesn't have the mind to understand it. It's you who insists that these stories are meaningless while blatantly ignoring the meaning they have right in front of you.

This show was far from perfect, and delivered a watered down, mediocre and streamlined experience even though they had a greater opportunity than ever presented before to make something worth while.

I'm not over thinking anything, it's you who isn't thinking enough, accepting literally whatever mediocre product Marvel produces because you actually enjoy having low standards
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>>77574576
The whole thing was written like a young adult mystery romance thriller made for a woman audience
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>>77574696

It seems to me like you're the with low standards, if you consider cape stories deep and complex.

The characters are something you'd come up during a simple character study class.

Try reading some actual books.
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>>77573666
>For a 13 hour run time, I felt like the show really didn't explore Matt as a character very well.

Every other fucking scene was about Matt, usually talking to the priest about the nature of his quest for vengeance.

His strained relationship with Stick in particular was illuminating about how weird his life had been,
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>>77570751

Daredevil is better than Gotham and Shield but they all suck compared for Arrow, Flash and Supergirl. Mostly because the latter 3 actually involve fantastical superhero shit while the other series do nothing and everything drags on forever.
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>>77574631

>fun

Capes can be complex and deep you just don't read comics. Have more "fun" disney baby.
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>>77573154
but they're all in the comics now, anon
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>>77576976
>fantastical superhero shit
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>>77574696
>watered down, mediocre and streamlined experience

Watered down from what? Your imaginary idea of what 600+ issues of Daredevil stories are supposed to be summarized as in one season of a tv show?
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>>77576976
>they all suck compared for Arrow

Do people other than self insert tumblr whales really enjoy Arrow?
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>>77577044

Last episode featured Livewire's first live action representation. Pretty faithful and badass fight that was most of the episode.

You can pick and choose all you want but Supergirl was Supergirl in the first episode. Matt becomes Daredevil 12 episodes in? Honestly Gotham, Shield and Daredevil are so slow and pretentious they forget to include superheroics. The most obvious is Gotham lacking Batman or Shield being about CIA agents basically ugh.
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>>77577110

Arrow has good fight choreography, mostly good support cast, comic-based story lines and great cameos with Brandon Routh, that Constantine guy, Vertigo etc. It's not the best show ever but I'd much rather watch Green Arrow do shit than watch Peggy Carter or Shield where they are overtly not using superheroes and costumes. Basically the same problem that I had with Smallville, Gotham and Daredevil.
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>>77570751
wow anon. I liked Wesley, too, but really?

>watch show all the way up until ep 11
>favorite character dies
>AHHHH, MY FAVORITE CHARACTER IS DEAD, THIS SHOW SUCKS NOW!!!11

like, really? /co/ fucking kills me sometimes. people nowadays are so entitled its sickening.
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>>77577143
>Matt becomes Daredevil 12 episodes in?
>he doesn't count as Daredevil unless he's in the red suit
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>>77573727

Watching that far into Shield.

How does it feel to be an Agent of Shill?
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>>77577143
>bleached hair
>Pretty faithful
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>>77573666

I liked Daredevil when I first saw it. Then I watched a chunk of it again with a friend and realized how much time they wasting not putting Matt in the costume and Foggy/Karen were often pretty insufferable. Also random Henchman has almost as much screen time as Kingpin himself? When I first saw it, I felt 8/10 now in hindsight it was only a 6/10 for me. I hope Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Punisher make netflix Marvel more interesting. That being said, Marvel on netflix is superior to what Disney is doing in the movies in every way.
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>>77576976
>Daredevil is better than Gotham and Shield

Gotham of all things has gotten a little more stable even it's still a cartoony, campy mess.

>but they all suck compared for Arrow, Flash and Supergirl. Mostly because the latter 3 actually involve fantastical superhero shit while the other series do nothing and everything drags on forever.

Daredevil is 13 episodes, and you're comparing it to shows that have multiple seasons or are just starting out.

Daredevil is not the Flash, they have completely different character histories and tones. And different budgets.
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>>77577216

Taking this long to putt on the costume is pretty gross considering that Flash, Arrow and Supergirl were all wearing the suit ep 1. The black get up was pretty gay and I could see it going on for 5 or 6 episodes...but really almost the whole show? It comes off more that they are embarrassed of being about superheroes than anything else man. I liked Daredevil but I won't pretend the first season was all that great just because of his drunken boxing scenes dispersed between a see of Wesley, Foggy and Karen...ugh
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>>77577270

Gotham is enjoyable in a dumb sort of way and is interesting week to week however at the same time if I missed an episode I wouldn't feel bad. Daredevil had all the opportunity to be full comic book mode and they didn't. Flash has a smaller budget and does more. Your damn right Daredevil isn't the Flash or I would have enjoyed every episode. Honestly every cape show should take notes on the Flash. It simply keeps getting better and better.
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>>77577322
>Flash, Arrow and Supergirl were all wearing the suit ep 1

Daredevil wears his suit in the first episode also

The black shit WAS his suit

he gets two suits

he's actually ahead of Flash and Supergirl on that one
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>>77577143
>Shield and Daredevil are so slow and pretentious they forget to include superheroics.

AoS is a gosh darn superhero extravaganza this season. Likewise Peggy Carter and AoS are not superheroes, they were always gonna be completely different shows.

The first season of Arrow was more stripped down and bleached of superheroics than Daredevil.
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>>77577233

Comic book origin is a Howard Stern type that hates the Superman family. Gets powers and becomes a huge ass hole. Can stand toe to toe with Superman/Supergirl. Honestly it was pretty great.
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>>77577268
>I liked Daredevil when I first saw it. Then I watched a chunk of it again

You liked it less the second time because the newness and surprise went away, which is not a mark against the show.
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>>77577370

I think your missing the suit. Wearing a proto suit that isn't recognizable as the comic book character for 12 episodes was pretty unforgivable. They could have had Purple Man and Kingpin running around from the get go. However instead they dragged things out and played up boring support characters way too much. I like the show but I won't pretend that I didn't enjoy Flash, Arrow or Supergirl much more. Not just because they were "fun" but because they felt more comic-booky and less obsessed with avoiding the characters roots.
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>>77577322
>The black get up was pretty gay and I could see it going on for 5 or 6 episodes

The black outfit was his Man Without Fear costume, about Matt's first foray into vigilantism, which the show covered.
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>>77577431
>avoiding the characters roots.

Matt and Fisk both get a backstory episode

in fact Matt has several flashback scenes

I don't understand what you mean
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>>77577392

>Peggy Carter and AoS are not superheroes

Than why should we care? Why the Marvel branding? Why are they trying to tie into Cap and the Avengers so heavily, stories that are obviously about superheroes. Honestly they should have just made an Iron Fist and Powerman show instead.

> first season of Arrow was more stripped down and bleached of superheroics than Daredevil

Grammars abit weird so I have no idea what you're trying to say. Arrow's first season was very much like Green Arrow Year One and I appreciated how much he looked like Green Arrow from episode 1 on. Merlyn was also done quite well. I think Daredevil simply took way too long to introduce Kingpin and have Matt wear the suit. Should have happened way sooner.
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>>77577431
>avoiding the characters roots.
Yeah because Flash was always a murdering shithead in love with his sister.
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>>77576976
>Daredevil is better than Gotham and Shield but they all suck compared for Arrow, Flash and Supergirl.
>Arrow
>Being at all GOOD

Look nigga, I have watched enough of all the shows to say that Arrow is the pinnacle of a bad show.

Hell, not even Shield is able to be that BAD.
And while I agree that Flash is one of the best shows so far, and that it beats for a slight mark to Daredevil, saying that Arrow is good is... honestly stupid.
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>>77577461

>Have a 13 episode season

Have Murdock wear The Man Without Fear costume for 12 episodes...

Daredevil has long been laughed at by casuals after the movie flopped. If your going to use him, don't make him look like a mugger for this long. Also seriously too much Wesley, Karen and Foggy.
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>>77577472

No red and yellow costume jumping straight from Man without Fear to Secret Wars costume. Spending so much time doing nothing. No Bullseye.
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>>77577540

>Daredevil series
>too much Foggy

That's it, son. Get the fuck out.
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>>77577431
>They could have had Purple Man and Kingpin running around from the get go.

Purple Man was always off the books because Daredevil was conceived along with Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and whatever might happen with Iron Fist.

Kingpin was given his origin alongside, Matt, something that MANY people have been critical of with Marvel for not developing their villains.
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>>77577502

>Pretending Flash isn't the best cape shit.

Barry sonic punches Gorilla Grodd into another dimension and Grodd lands in Gorilla City.

>Daredevil takes 13 episodes to punch Kingpin...
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>>77577225

It doesn't. I love the show and am telling you that it's good FOR FREE.
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>>77577527

Merlyn, Slade and Damien Dahrk turn me on. Constantine and magic being around is cool. Though the Atom was supposed to be Blue Beetle he brings some levity to the show. Having two Black Canaries, Cutie Speedy. Nah I like Arrow fuck you.
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>>77572231
AoS has really redeemed itself.
I am no longer ashamed to be watching it every week.
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>>77577580
Actually, Jessica Jones was the first show planned. They had been trying to get the JJ show made since before Agents of SHIELD, but it was too dark for ABC.

After they got Daredevil's rights back, then they had the idea to have DD/JJ/LC/IF done through Netflix.
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>>77577629

I will never watch it.

>Show runner is Coulsen some character Whedon made up that has nothing to do with oldschool Marvel books at all

There is no point. You can back track and say...oh well it's better now...but that's not enough.
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>>77577638
>Though the Atom was supposed to be Blue Beetle he brings some levity to the show.

I hate that he's not the Atom everyone wants, but I can't deny that Brandon Routh has an irresistable charm to him
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>>77577672
>some character Whedon made up

Wow, you're a fucking idiot
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>>77577675

Has he come back with a beard and sword yet?
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>>77577672

Very well, to each their own. I just feel that people on /co/ dislike it and use the "Agents of S.H.I.T." meme unfairly tbqhwy famapalooza.
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You guys are retarded if you think a teen drama is better than a crime show.

Kill urselves
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>>77577692

He came back

and after next week I guess he'll be gone again
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>>77577489
You're right Marvel should take note and designate human characters to pissing and moaning in love triangles, who cares about them.
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>>77570751
>Does it get an better like SHIELD?
>better like SHIELD?
>better
>like
>SHIELD

nigga wtf are you smoking ? shield is the worst capeshit show right now.
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>>77577831
That's the weirdest misspelling of Arrow I've ever seen.
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>>77577709
>You guys are retarded if you like capeshit
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>>77577461
Except in the Man Without Fear, it was literally a hoodie and sweatpants that he wore for one night when he first came back to New York. The show used it in a completely different context
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>>77577073
The Man Without Fear, Frank Miller's Daredevil Volume 2 and Born Again create a very detailed and complex portrait of Daredevil
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>>77574814
You're mistaken if you think depth and complexity can't be found in anything that's crafted well. The Neverending Story is a very complex and deep movie, yet it's made for children.

It's people like you that drive the forces that create mediocre art
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>>77577831
>season 3 AoS
>worse than Supergirl
>worse than season 3 or 4 Arrow
Nah, son. Just because it's nowhere near Flash or Daredevil-tier, doesn't make it as bad as those two. Haven't watched Gotham past the first couple episodes so I don't know how that matches up.
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>>77577489
>Than why should we care?

Because they're set in the marvel universe.

>Why the Marvel branding?

Because they're Marvel characters.

>Arrow's first season was very much like Green Arrow Year One

And Daredevil was like Man Without Fear plus the first few original issues of the Daredevil comic.
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>>77577831
>shield is the worst capeshit show right now.

It's better than Supergirl and Gotham
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>>77577540
>Daredevil has long been laughed at by casuals after the movie flopped.

And by visually distancing themselves from the movie, they created a space to be better re-assessed.

>If your going to use him, don't make him look like a mugger for this long.

But casuals laughed at Daredevil in his red suit before!
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>>77577976

And it would be too much for one 13 episode season.
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>>77577489
You yourself have to know why you cure. There is no "we".

You just lack confidence and need others to approve what television you are about to watch.
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>>77570774
>>77570777
>>77570778
>>77570795
>>77570997

These Marvelfags. Give them a piece of shit that's not as fetid as other shit they've been given and they will think it's the best thing ever.
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>>77578304
You say that, but the show itself did jack shit with its run time. More than half of it was wasted
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>>77578511
>These guys don't like the thing I like! Grrrr!!!
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>>77578574
It's all around a pretty shitty version of Daredevil anon
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>>77578511
>Give them a piece of shit that's not as fetid as other shit they've been given and they will think it's the best thing ever.

After the second episode of Agents of Shield debuted, I didn't watch the show until after the first Winter Soldier tie-in episode had occurred. The show had been hot piss, so I dropped it. When the show's reputation swung back I went through and skimmed the best episodes. Season 2 was still too inconsistent to me so I mostly ignored it. Season 3 however has obviously been retooled and is a pleasant, fun show I can actually look forward to.

Daredevil was great, the hallway fight and the depth of characterization rival a lot of what the films have even done.

So neener-neener, chicken wiener.
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>>77578674
That's quite the unpopular opinion you got there
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>>77578674
>It's all around a pretty shitty version of Daredevil anon

It really isn't. It's a smart, solid production with great ambition.

And it highly resembles the comics it was adapted from.
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>>77577233

Hey it surprised me that they did a good job with her

The origin may have been changed but the way they portrayed her was pretty spot on

I think my biggest gripe with supergirl was the radioactive guy

I'm trying to figure out who's going to appear next
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>>77570751
no it's all bad
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>>77570751
>everyone buying this godawful bait
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>>77578180
>>77578238
supergirl is so . . . wat that it doesn't even counts and gotham is just meh, not bad but just average at best.
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