Oooooh I get it, he's trying to make Becky the new main character. Fucker's trying to pull the same trick he did in Shortpacked.
Except that, you know, had a story that was canonically more than a fucking month old.
It's a various cast story. Joyce is the main character, but other character like Walky, Sal, Dorothy or Amber still have a rather big role to play. Same with Becky.
I have been in more crowded ones.
If Willis sees threads like this (because he's shown that he looks up his shitty comic on tumblr), a couple of things:
- I'd rather give money to leakanon rather than support your uncreative shitpile
- Stop forcing Becky she's the worst forced character ever
The same guy who just put out a "group shot while lesbian brags about how awesome she is" update and admitted that the entire two month arc with that character was mainly just an excuse to have her flip everybody off and say "FUCK YOU DAD!" considers edits like these to be "insulting and cliche"
I could forgive what an annoying character Becky is and what a logistical nightmare this whole storyline has been if not her reactions to the last few hours of her life were anything at all like those an actual human being would have.
Still fucking retarded a big guy like that needed to bring a fucking gun to collect his daughter. One claps at the arm and drag her to the car; I doubt any of her limp wrist faggot friends could stop him.
Hell, they could probably still have him get arrested for it too. But no, "hurr dem homophones and der guns!"
>back to your regularly scheduled mediocrity
I'm gay and this... Well you know I don't even know what to say really.
Is that ALL Becky wants to forge her identity as going forward? "That gay girl"?
I rather liked when Ethan said he felt like all he was now was gay. That it felt like it eclipsed who he was. That was very similar to how I felt at first. Afraid that being gay would just be all I was but it's such a minor part of who I am.
Becky is the exact opposite. All there is to Becky is that she's a loud outspoken lesbian... She just let it consume her. And one of the reasons I felt that way was because of gay characters like Becky. Characters that can only be described as gay.
I was kind of hoping this would be part of Becky's discovery phase. Like she was repressed for so long that she had to let loose but learned that being a lesbian didn't mean giving up who she was. That she didn't have to scream "I'M GAY" every few seconds. That she could just be normal. That nothing changes in the end... I think I expected too much from Willis though huh...
I just can't believe she is STILL crackin' wise. Can we not get a few moments where she's like "wow this was fucking crazy, lots of people almost died my dad is going to prion for fucking ever and hates me damn"
Like I get her dad is the bad guy, but that's a life-long relationship and I have a hard time buying her just flipping him off and being like "SUGGA DICK DAD" after all that. Like I get that she "tried" and was rejected or whatever but that kind of callousness is not an endearing character trait and that rejection didn't even seem to phase her.
That whole kidnapping/rampage may have been dumb as hell, but it was at least funny to experience Willis having what might have been his "loss.jpg" moment in slow motion. Now that it's over Dumbing of Age goes back from being terrible in every way to flat out not having a reason to exist again.
He already blocked me. I'd send him a screencap on twitter if he didn't because why not.
But really this entire arc. Is it somewhat true to life? Yes... But Ross being a more sympathetic, to me, would have been so refreshing. So comforting.
Characters like Becky were why I was afraid of being gay, characters like Ross, like Ethan's parents, were why I was afraid to come out to my parents...
They weren't exactly the biggest fans of gay people but you know what? They tried to accept me, and in the end they did. My family came to accept that I was gay even though they really weren't comfortable with the idea.
And that isn't how it happens for everyone but cliche stories about the parents hating their children for being gay are sick and tired and Ross is more of a cliche than the final edit will ever be. Seeing Ross try to accept his daughter; showing gay kids in college, his target demo, that there's a chance their parents will adjust to it would have been so much better than another shitty "Parents Suck" story.
Willis is living vicariously through her. There was no hope for any subtlety; the whole thing was a two-month long screed about how much he wishes he could do that to his own dad.
Same here, anon, the way Becky has been developed as apparently what Willis thinks of a positive lesbian character but with nothing else to define her than "the outspoken lesbian" just makes me feel embarrassed of myself. I kind of feel as though this is how straight people really do see us. I don't think I would quite mind so much if she actually was outspoken about other things and interests, but she doesn't seem to have any. Except for the dinosaur girl and that seemed at the last minute too. (sorry for bad english)
Is there even any talk of what his parents did to him that was so awful? Does he ever elaborate on them? I mean to the point where he laughs at backgrounds characters being killed in movies because they were parents even if they did nothing wrong and to write every single one as abusive unredeemable people in all of his comics deserving of having the shit beaten out of them is alarming.
From the way he explains things they don't sound like the best of people but... It's really what most kids go through. Parents are one way and you to go college and become your own man and learn your own way. They were radical fundies.
But with Willis? It broke him. He saw it all as his parents lying to him and betraying his trust. I honestly think he's undiagnosed with Autism. It would explain so much.
It even isn't just about the cliche. It's about how for most of the arc you could make an argument that Ross was simply a man who has been breaking down since the death of his wife and his daughter coming out sent him over the edge. That the entire thing is rooted in cognitive dissonance stemming from the one thing that allowed him to function after the loss of his wife, fundamentalist Christianity, now forces him to reject his daughter due to her homosexuality and his inability to reconcile that.
Hell, Willis' explanation that Ross doesn't really see Becky as a person but rather an extension of an idealized image of how his life is supposed to be would have made for an interesting take on what would essentially be an unredeemable antagonist, but Willis' didn't write that story. What we got was an overwrought, inconsistently toned farce of a storyline that seemed like a drunken mashup of pretentious LGBT theatre and 80s college comedy film.
Becky's relationship with Dina would be much better if it was approached from the standpoint of Becky diving head first into living as an out lesbian coupled with Dina's first attempts at having any sort of romantic relationship.
Well in all honestly I hope he gets therapy. Clearly this has gone on a long time. And especially if he's going to block people like >>77567945 even when they're being completely reasonable and giving their actual experiences with their families dynamics in regards to having gay children instead of Willis's wild rampage fantasies. It just seems insulting at this point.
really he was probably just some git nerd who wanted to watch cartoons but his parents made him go to CCD or whatever instead.
I really imagine he's blowing this shit WAY out of proportion
>mfw I made that pic and lost it along with all my Funky reaction images when my laptop died
I come to these threads for Funky now, we should really start having separate threads again.
Why are we posting Funky in Willis threads again?
...wait, he drew that Funky Cancercancer comic, didn't he.
>but it was at least funny to experience Willis having what might have been his "loss.jpg" moment in slow motion
But in the end, that's its biggest flaw. Loss was perfect in that it wasn't in slow motion. In one comic you saw everything Tim ever tried to do (and failed at) just get thrown into a blender known as "Dramatic comic" and get blended into shreds. And it all happened in 4 simple panels. It was poetic how strong a single page could be, and how it can perfectly sum up everything wrong with webcomics. This arc was okay, but it took too long to get through, making it boring. And if there's one thing worse than being outright bad, it's being boring.
Nah, I had to skip the Lisa parts cause I'm only focusing on the Darin parts. It's important cause 1) the segment in >>77568391 was what inspired Willis to do the Shortpacked with Cancercancer Incest (he came back to the comic cold and there were no archives, so there was no way he knew the two weren't related) and 2) you'll get to see Darin actually meet Frankie, this time knowing that they're related unlike in >>77568262 where they were unaware of it.
>...wait, he drew that Funky Cancercancer comic, didn't he.
Yeah, and it was based on a reaction specifically to >>77568391
if you read only those and you had no idea of the previous comics posted you might think they're related, like Willis did.
I'd say he isn't lying about this.
He knows the bible like the back of his hand. he constantly posts old Christian children videos and songs, his fixation on Transformers comes from the fact that it was just about the only non-Christian thing he was allowed to like as a kid outside of probably Batman.
There is certainly evidence that suggests he's reliable here... The thing to ask is how outright evil were his parents? Were they a bit misguided probably?
Some of his more social issues with them, like how they treated gay people, are really just chalked up to "It was the 80s and no one knew better" and it's shitty but you need to view the world based on the frame of the time and at the time... It was the norm. Can you hold things against your parents when they're part of the norm?
He had this strange idea of pure and honest trust with his parents. It's where all of his issues most likely stem from... I don't have it saved but the dickgrasper incident kind of supports that frame of mind. That he just bought wholesale into what his parents where shoveling and finding out his entire world was in the wrong broke his brain.
I would be willing to bet his brother and sister are more normal. They might even disagree with their parents but I bet they're not resentful and better about it like David seems to be.
>her husband lies in a coma in the hospital after a stroke
>looking back at her life she realizes just how unhappy she was and how far she's fallen short of what she wanted to do
How does he keep finding new ways to be depressing? How does he keep getting away with it?
its one of the most depressing comics ever, to the point when you just dont care anymore. prior to this storyline they were happily married and there was no hint of her wanting to be a writer
well just because he DESCRIBED them doesn't really mean it's true. Based on his writing style of HAH HAH FUCK YOU BITCHED I really can't take him at word.
Ive also known a few kids of super fundies in my time and they where mostly just really quite about it all. They didn't like talking about religion or whatever for various reasons and they sure as shit didn't go out of the way to fuck with them like this.
Willis is too loud about it. He sounds like a guy who knows ABOUT a problem but doesn't have any real experience dealing with it properly.
>Les wrote books Batiuk wrote in the real world
>Batiuk was the one who killed John Darling so he didn't have to draw that strip any more
Getting fucking meta up in here, when does he start talking to his characters like Dave Sim?
I honestly don't find Funky that depressing, It's like a soap opera but better written than most soap operas and you don't have to put up with lines being delivered by terrible z-list actors.
This is the Internet, anon. You can look up anything in a split second, including religious knowledge and videos.
That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if Willis continues to read the bible everydayand night just to fuel his hatred for his parents and post about how much he hates it online.
Pam and Jeff Murdoch are from Batiuk's other comic Crankshaft, so they don't interact with the Funky cast that often. Jessica wouldn't know about it because her uncle never told her about Lisa.
Willis is a shitlord but there is enough evidence to suggest he's not lying when it comes to his parents being a bit high strung.
Like I said: Willis's problem comes from the fact that he fully bought into the shit they shoveled. He just openly trusted his parents, never questioned. That's why he's so broken about it. He feels they betrayed his trust and it just royally screwed the guy... He certainly had super fundie right parents. There are things all the way back from Roomies and some of his old message board posts. He probably exaggerates to some degree but there's very little chance he's lying about this.
First I've seen about this. Got any screencaps?
It's incredibly insulting. Look at all the other gay characters in the strip (and there's no shortage) they all have other characteristics beyond gay. kinda.
The one chick who's sleeping with the RA did a whole Alcholism arc and had the whole big girl on campus small fish in collage thing.
Now with Becky it's just GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY FUCK YOU DAD GAY!
She's in the right to be who she is but who she is has to actually be a person. She's not conflicted about losing her dad, she's not worried about her family or what being gay actually means. It's just she's gay thats enough and everyone else even her dad is just a nazi asshole villain who is standing int he way of her getting some vag
It was on his tumblr a while back, with the gist being "yea my parents were weird about what shows I watched, but my mom was obsessive about way more with my brother. A doctor told her he was allergic to some food, and she kept finding more and more things he was 'allergic' to until he was only able to eat like 6 things. When he moved out and started eating on his own, it turned out he had no reaction to any of those foods he hadn't been allowed to have." I wish I had saved it, because searching for specific posts on tumblr is garbage.
>He feels they betrayed his trust and it just royally screwed the guy
But how? You're not actually saying anything. What part of the fundie ideals where such a betrayal when he got to school? Because I sincerely doubt that his parents where taking him to fag drags or lynchings.
Worst case scenario he went to church a lot and on occassion someone said some off color remark. He was still well fed, clothed, fuck he got to collage and it was probably on his parents dime
Well how else would you know she's gay? I mean it's not like gay characters are supposed to be written the same as straight people or anything.
Danny went through some stuff, Ethan kind of really has only had stories centered around his sexuality but his has been contrasted to Becky's in that he's afraid of being absorbed by his homosexuality into becoming "Just that gay guy" where as all Becky wants to be is "LESBIAN" and now "SCIENCE"
I though the panel where she says "I love you, Dad" was a bit cliche. I think it could have been better removing the speech bubble and leaving it as a pregnant pause before saying bye. It would better reflect on Ross not saying anything by having neither of them really know how to address the other anymore.
He's talking about Willis' personal reaction to the difference between what he'd been raised to think and his learning of the world and forming his own opinions of it. Being well-fed, clothed, and going to college on his parent's dime doesn't factor into this.
He had a timeskip so characters were aged up a decade. The publishing timeline was like this:
1986: Les finds out Lisa got pregnant after moving away, Lisa gives birth and the kid is adopted by the Fairgoods, who name him Darin. Over the years, Batiuk drops obvious hints to say that Darin is Lisa's son.
1993: Les and Lisa reunite at the reunion. I think they get married in 1996 but I can't remember.
2000: Frankie returns (at this point he's rich because of the dot-com boom), wanting to know where his son is because he thinks he could raise him better than whoever adopted the kid. Lisa refuses to help.
2002: Frankie returns again, this time desperate to find his son because he lost everything. He runs off when he thinks he might've harmed the baby Lisa's carrying.
2007: Darin tries to find his birth mom. Lisa, who's accepted her impending doom, allows for the records to be unsealed and they finally meet this time knowing their relation.
2009: Takes place more than 10 years after Lisa's death. Darin comes back to Westview.
2013: Fred Fairgood has a stroke. Funky tells Cindy about Les working on the screenplay for Lisa's Story, so she reports it on the news. Frankie sees the news report and finally knows how to find his son. And of course the reunion does not go well.
Not all religions, just Christianity. Because that's one of the only things (along with anything straight, rich, or white) you are allowed to attack and look like a hero in the social justice culture Which is great because it allows Willis to stick it to his Christian Fundie Parents.
I kind of read it as a more mature middle finger.
She's essentially proving herself to be the bigger person by still loving her father despite him being shitty.
At least that's how I read it because of the emphasis on love.
Exactly. I believe his first wake up call his when he met his first gay person and they were nothing like his parents said.
It has shit to do with being well taken care of, it's how he was raised from an ideological stand point and it's really clear they were nuts. Crazy people exist. I still don't discount he exaggerates a bit but he has an internet profile that dates back like 20 years and it's always supported that they were unhinged.
I don't like Willis but I still believe him on the fact that his parents were hyper Christian fundie nutjobs.
>He's talking about Willis' personal reaction to the difference between what he'd been raised to think and his learning of the world and forming his own opinions of it.
okay, and? Still want to hear details. You can't just say REAL LIFE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I WAS RAISED TO BELIEVE! and expect that to mean anything. HOW?
Cuz really all it seems like is he's a typical collage freshman douchebag who only just started learning about life and wants to be seen as an expert with his non degree as he just parrots whatever his hip cool professor says
Because he is. That's what you're not understanding.
His parents raised him one way, he went into college and started learning ANOTHER way for the first time in his life and his brain could not handle it.
It broke him.
I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make. It's pretty obvious that Willis is your typical college freshman douchbag who only started learning about life and wants to be seen as an expert stretched out into his thirties.
>It has shit to do with being well taken care of
It has EVERYTHING to do with it though. Let's say it's the gay thing. Yeah he realizes his parents where wrong about the gays and they're decent folk. But how does that undo 20 years of care and love that his parents shown him?
Because they had dated views they're no longer people in their eyes? He's not seeing the fundies as people who either don't know better or where just victims of another time and culture.
He acts like he was abused with all his parent hate nonsense. It's too extreme in the opposite direction. Yes his fundie parents may be flawed people but I refuse to believe there was no love between them and to villain them like this is absurd and cartoonish.
You're acting like Willis is a well adjusted normal person.
That trust in the ideals his parents taught him was literally everything to him. He is not a normal person stop trying to think of him like one.
>I don't like Willis
Yet here you are sticking up for his testimony.
So what are you getting out of this then? Why is him being right about his parents so important to you? You seem to be unwilling or unable to accept that he might be lying or batshit insane
He is batshit insane but this is why he's batshit insane. Because his parents were a bit out there.
It's like arguing that CWC isn't the way he is because of his own parents enabled every wrong choice he made.
Your argument is objectively wrong and that
A Shortpacked that Willis did years ago, specifically around the time a little after >>77568391
was published. He erroneously assumed the two characters were related but they weren't.
I've always found that one strip right before Ethan comes out to Joyce to be so painfully meta. Complaining about being seen as nothing but gay when the author only writes about you when your gayness is involved
I mean, his 'it's okay to have what is clearly a crippling addiction to toys' thing in Shortpacked was shitty as fuck, but at least it was something besides him banging dudes or wanting to bang dudes
>his 'it's okay to have what is clearly a crippling addiction to toys' thing in Shortpacked was shitty as fuck
Can we talk about that? What the fuck was that?
He depicted Ethan as having this crippling problem, but when the boyfriend tries to help him we're supposed to side with Ethan?
What? Why? He's being a selfish prick.
It's because Ethan doesn't have a problem; he has a perfectly legitimate hobby and Drew's just being a dick about it because he likes being minimalist.
Or at least, that's how Willis sees it. And damn if anybody else thinks otherwise.
I might be able to buy it, except that Willis showed Ethan stopping in the middle of chasing down Amber's Dad (who was the previous owner of the Worst Parent award before Ross, so you know he's evil) so he could check the stores for action figures. Which was also a prime example of Willis shooting his drama in the crotch to keep the comedy going.
I tried to get an in-between with this sketchy edit.
It's what he's best at; the rest of FW mostly consists of crappy puns smirked out by assholes, weird shit like that "time travel at the school reunion" story, and Les bring so much better than every other writer/the whole of Hollywood. Not saying Batiuk isn't good at bedside drama, but the rest of it doesn't hit the same highs.
I googled it - turns out it actually was Father's Day that day in 2013 for most of the world (I think Australia has it on a different month)
Wow, I just disliked it because the text itself was off-centre, but that's a lot better. For what it's worth, I'd have removed Becky from the penultimate panel altogether, and had the "Bye" to the right of the door, but that's just me.
Just because something's new and different doesn't make it good. Appeal to novelty is considered a fallacy for a reason...
Can you please tell me there's an imgur or something out there with all the porn in it because this asshole keeps baiting me with this fucking image of DeSanto and I can't take it anymore.
To be fair everyone thought that at the time, the writer didn't have an entire arc dedicated to debunking that idea because only willis thought those two were related.
Short answer: Kinda. Long answer: Yes, but he normally kept that kinda crap in Shortpacked - people who've read DoA from start to finish have remarked that Willis has written more nuanced characters for DoA, but now that Shortpacked's ended all bets are off.
>and felt it removed all conflict and character
But there was no conflict in his version. Becky was not conflicted in any way. She was sad for a moment and then got to be the Good Guy Flipping Off Pure Evil.
>I was kind of hoping this would be part of Becky's discovery phase.
I wish he'd focus on Danny discovering his bisexuality, he's actually handled that storyline pretty well, but god knows the moment he focuses on it he'll fuck it up beyond imagination.
>(he came back to the comic cold and there were no archives, so there was no way he knew the two weren't related)
oh thank God, I kept waiting for the incest reveal but apparently even Bautik won't go that low
Becky, like Robin and Malaya before her, is Willis's real self-insert character, in terms of personality if nothing else.
I realized this shortly after Malaya was introduced and I dropped Willis soon after.
>Robin is a Willis self-insert
Nah. Ethan, Amber and at times Leslie were 100% self-inserts in Shortpacked! as far as Willis is concerned. Ethan And Amber represented both his toy collecting side along with the parent stuff. Then after he killed Ambers dad, he used Leslie to tackle all the "PARENTS = LITERALLY SHITLORDS" stuff.
>Im going to learn real things
She's gonna do a Gender Studies degree isn't she?
Fucking MARBie Barbies just want to swim with the dolphins.
And then they drop out after like two years because the rest of Marine Biology is really boring and hard, and because no marine biologist actually likes dolphins.
Stardust Social Justice Crusaders when?
You know, that works. I'd move the panels of her looking back at him around, but the idea is solid: it hurts to cut him out of her life, but when she sees that not only can he not look her in the eye but that he did not soften an iota because of her telling him that, THEN she hardens enough to flip him off. He had his chance at reconciliation, and he didn't take it.
>Willis' 15-year old comics are more interesting to read then his current work
That's when you know that Willis has gone downhill.
>Willis has seen our edits
>Willis could be in this very thread
David if you're seeing this please unblock me on twitter.
That was the point when I realized I had to stop reading
unfortunately I kept going anyway.
WIllis couldn't have his readers acknowledging that while Drew needed to chill out, Ethan had a problem that needed to be dealt with. Because that would mean Willis had a problem that needed to be dealt with. Can't have that, nope!
Suddenly, Drew is this moustache-twirling evil boyfriend trying to ruin Ethan's hobby.
And then there was that bit later, where Ethan runs into Drew again, and Willis uses it as a fucking megaphone to defend himself yet again.
Funny enough, it takes place in a backdrop cameo of /co/'s other favorite shitshow, QC.
Which leads me to the question...who will break first? Jeph "Handstab" Jacques, or David "Sadwank" Willis?
I never really got QC hate, to be honest.
I mean, yes, the comic is boring soap opera stuff 90% of the time, but at least Jacques recognizes when he screws up most of the time. Willis, on the other hand, wouldn't recognize legitimate criticism if it was flung at him from a thousand parapets
QC gets hate because it was a mediocre-to-decent slice of life comic that took a nosedive in art quality and started being very pandering. He spent about a month on making it clear "She has a penis and Marten is ok with it!".
That and multiple characters pretty much don't exist anymore like Dora, Winslow, Sven and Marigold. The rare times they do appear is for random jokes then they're gone again.
I'm gonna have to agree with >>77565425 here. Willis has been shoving Becky into the limelight for almost a year.
She's cannibalized Joyce's character development, she's taken over at least three subplots, including ones that should be totally unrelated to her, and everyone is always talking about her even if she isn't present.
Lets just face it. Becky is the new main character and that is the worst fucking thing ever.
He's probably going to justify that by saying that Joyce and Becky were both in the first strip so that means they're both main characters.
She looks about as forcibly inserted into that last panel as she has been in the story for the past few months.
That panel looks like it was designed to be a new DoA banner/cast image, with Becky as the MC.
It's awful, she is awful, and Willis is awful.
>It's awful, she is awful, and Willis is awful.
That's all that needs to be said in these threads, and yet we still keep making them.
Probably because he thought everyone would hate Joyce due to being a brainwashed fundie, only for the audience to take her side most of the time and not get overly mad at some of the stuff she said because they understood she was sheltered.
He probably wanted people to cry for her murder when she said stuff about fixing Ethan, but the readers were just "Oh Joyce you silly goose".
Quite honestly, after having nowhere to vent about how shitty this comic is for a long time, I love these threads.
The comic deserves it, Becky deserves it and Willis deserves it.
Who do you want to see more of? 2015 Edition!
>Dina (23%, 2,237 Votes)
>Mike (13%, 1,307 Votes)
>Becky (13%, 1,252 Votes)
>Sal (7%, 657 Votes)
>Ruth (7%, 655 Votes)
>Carla (6%, 565 Votes)
>Ethan (5%, 466 Votes)
>Marcie (4%, 417 Votes)
>Sarah (4%, 366 Votes)
>Danny (3%, 344 Votes)
>Joe (3%, 295 Votes)
>Sierra (3%, 275 Votes)
>Jason (2%, 197 Votes)
>Roz (2%, 178 Votes)
>Malaya (2%, 169 Votes)
>Lucy (1%, 145 Votes)
>Jacob (1%, 111 Votes)
>Mary (1%, 87 Votes)
>Raidah (1%, 61 Votes)
>Alice (0%, 47 Votes)
These kinds of polls are stupid, since they are gonna be heavily bias to the characters currently being featured. Mike and maybe Ruth are the only results that should be looked at since they have hardly appeared in the last few months. Mike has been in 6 strips over the last 7 months and Ruth has only been in 1 strip since July.
>Whenever Becky's not on screen all the other characters should be asking "Where' Becky?"
This part already happens.
Fuck, the only thing missing from this list is access to a time machine, and after that car chase I wouldn't be surprised.
People were scared she was gonna be written out because of how completely illogical her staying is, so they thought this would convince Willis to not do that.
Despite the fact the comic already has a buffer up till the end of February.
I think this strip is not for us.
They were just making fun of Kevin Smith (and let's face it Jersey Girl was terrible) but they accidentally stumbled on a good point, and besides which
I unironically love Twisp & Catsby
Because that's how real gays are. They don't want to leave it at just live and let live. They want to be praised and adored for it.
If a baker or a caterer doesn't want to cover their gay wedding, gays try to have them run out of business. If a CEO gives to a charity that supports traditional marriage, Gays get them fired.
>Can we talk about stuff that isn't horrible garbage?
Yes we can.
What would YOU like to discuss? Did you know that 4Chan gives you, yes YOU the ability to start threads about topics that you want to discuss?
It's true! If you wish to discuss something other than DoA, then why are you in a DoA thread? Hide it and move on
you know, I almost can't believe the change in tone for the threads
I mean we went from JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL and Warboss edits, to lamenting about how shitty this whole thing has been handled and knowing nobody can stop Becky becoming a black hole of boring
That's the first post I've made in these threads, after seeing this horrible clusterfuck of a comic for weeks on /co/, every day I've been here. No other webcomic seems to be spammed so often, except for the possibility of loss.jpg, which quality is infinitely higher than this.
Is there anyone here who even unironically likes this comic? Of what possible value do you see in it?
>well if you don't like it then go aw
is not an answer.
I dunno, why should you? With a board as broad as /co/, it's pretty much a given that you won't care about everything on it.
Most people are here to laugh at ho bad it is. Apologies to anybody who likes this comic.
There is value in it. Joyce has a competent moment every once in a while. Billie/Ruth is alright. He manages the occasional decent pun.
And there's value in arguing about the comic too. I started coming here mid-chase scene, and reading these threads has helped me understand exactly why DoA bugs me when a lot of my friends don't mind it.
Wait Marigold stopped showing up? Considering how popular she is you think he'd feature her more than he was.
But that's Jeph's thing. When he gets bored of Marten and Claire they'll break up and over the next year or so Claire will disappear from the comic.
I meant them breaking up. This will have to be done as delicately as possible, or else Marten will come off as a shitlord fuccboi or Claire will be less than perfect and Jeph will be bullied into stabbing himself again. It's like Scylla and Charybdis, and I don't think Jeph can navigate these waters.
He would have to make a breakup that is more tragic. Like Claire gets a job somewhere across the country and Martin agonizes and decides not to go. Something along those lines. It will probably come one day.
Actually, yes. It IS an answer.
>>after seeing this horrible clusterfuck of a comic for weeks on /co/, every day I've been here.
And each and every day youve seen it, you have had the ability to hide it. One simple click is all it takes.
>Of what possible value do you see in it?
Why does it matter to you? You seem to have this expectation that we should stop because you want us to.
tl;dr: We like slagging on this comic and it's creator. And you have an option that removes it from your sight.
You're right, anon. All it takes is one click, and its gone forever.
Just like the next day its posted.
And the day after that.
And the day after that.
And the day after that.
And the day after that.
I hope the red head gets discovered and all of them get expelled for harboring a non student. That bitch has more plot armor than batman and joker combined. Or make it like a hentai where she's discovered and is forced to be a sex slave for the person that found her and all his friends.
No, the edit is a far more relatable human response to the insanity that has just transpired. That neither makes it a cliche, or boring.
The original comic was unrelatable, and threw in horrible cliches like "ha-ha STRONK WOMAN I WILL DO LE SCIENCE NOW!"
And the worst part of it is that my mocking rendition of it still isn't even as bad as the original.
Gone? No. But removed from view. And that is a very fair compromise. Because you cannot always get what you want. That's life. But sometimes you can get something that's almost as good. And that's what you have with the hide function
So what do you expect us to do about it? Stop talking about it altogether? Is that what you want us to do?
Are you one of those otherkins with head space partners or whatever?
Anyway, since you can't name one single redeeming aspect to this pile of shit, I think a better question would be
what can be done to make him stab his hand
He'll fizzle out eventually.
He can't handle doing two full strips because it's "too much work" when... All he does is sit at home all day and eat Taco Bell while drawing a strip or two... The guy very often copy and pastes panels and he considers his comic work.
Actually given that >>77568391
happened a week before and DIDN'T mention John Darling, and >>77568966
happened as a result, maybe that's why Batiuk kept using "my dad, John Darling" a lot, so that comics like that one Shortpacked wouldn't mislead people or something.
Being a more relatable human response doesn't stop it from being cliche or boring, nor is it the reason it's cliche or boring.
It's cliche because it's a cliche. It's boring because nothing about it is interesting.
You are not wrong that it's more relatable, that's just irrelevant to whether or not it's cliche.
>Thank you for I don't really know considering I didn't interact with or even so much as see you this entire arc and you did nothing of note that would contribute to the assured safety of my girlfriend of like a day
Man, that's also true. There's literally no reason for Dina to think of Amber as being any help, seeing as she completely disappeared between her fight in the forest and her trip to the hospital.
I would assume they told Dina Amazagirl saved Becky and Dina knows who Amazagirl is.
I can't really complain about that... But I can complain about the fact that I think Dina/Becky is forced as forced gets.
Do we have any reason to believe that Dina knows Amazi-Girl's identity? I honestly only know sporadic strips in the past and everything since Toedad pulled out the gun.
Though yeah, even with my minimal amount of knowledge, it really feels as though Dina/Becky happened so that this storyline could happen. Something like, "Okay, so Becky is doing great because she's getting along well and now she has a girlfriend. Nobody will care about their actual chemistry together since they'll care more about Becky being happy. And that's when I bring in Papa Bear."
I'll take your collective words for it.
Now to figure out when Dina learned that Amazi-Girl nearly killed her girlfriend, which in the context of the comic amounts to saving her from a kidnapping.
She did, and you're right, it was a chore.
There were a few recent examples of her knowing, but here's the first one.
I can assume it just happened off panel.
I have plenty of issues with Willis's writing but I can forgive the fact this happened even if I disagree with a lot of the stuff surrounding it. It makes sense that someone mentioned Amazi-Girl saved Becky and since Dina knows who she is it makes sense she'd thank her.
I'm really more interested right now in seeing if Becky being Dina's girlfriend means every single Dina plot just becomes a Becky plot kind of like how Leslie's plots were all glorified Robin stories.
>It makes sense that someone mentioned Amazi-Girl saved Becky and since Dina knows who she is it makes sense she'd thank her.
I agree that it makes sense. It would have just been nice to actually see it happen.
Again, the problem lies more in how Dina faded completely into the background when it came time for the car chase (to the point that we all assumed she was dead) and how she showed up again at the hospital without a scratch on her. Or, at least, that's my whole problem with the scenario.
>every Dina plot becomes a Becky plot
I'd hope that'd be Patreon suicide, since Dina is a loooong-time favorite throughout universes, and Becky is largely disliked, even among his more sycophantic fanbase.
I wanted to continue my post cause I realized I have more to say on this point.
I actually sat and wrote out what has happened over the 5 years to each character in this comic and it's amazing to realize just how little shit has actually happened. Willis has published nearly 1800 strips, 10,000 panels and it's astounding to just take it all in and consider how little he's actually accomplished in terms of telling a story with interesting characters.
So many plot-lines put on back-burners for months/years, awful drama, inconsistent tone, and a complete under-utilization of the setting. The fact that they're in college isn't used at all and to move the story along and it doesn't serve as a framing device at all.
There are other comics with larger cast that updated half as much that manage to get more interaction between players of the story, all while being more interesting to read and well thought out than Willis' story. What scare me is that Willis plans this shit ahead of time, he probably has years of stories written out but he just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
On the other hand he could be worse, he could be El Goonish Shive.
And at least Shive can actually draw and has improved his art over the years. Willis improved ever so slightly then just sort of plateaued, and seems either incapable or unwillling to improve any more. I mean Jesus Christ, the porn. Even if he finds it difficult to draw genitals because of his hang-ups that doesn't excuse the horrifying faces.
Shive actually seems like a decent chap. He just has this common geek problem where you want to explain all your detailed setting information even right where it's just mucking up the important stuff. Which was probably not helped by the people in his comic's forums, who whenever something didn't get explained in absolute detail with exceptions mentioned and catalogued yelled PLOTHOLE and ASSPULL and WHY IS THIS HAPPENING, and shit.
Willis has been doing some scenery on his tumblrbumblr.
How do you get something as basic as perspective so fucking wrong when you've been drawing for as long as Willis has? I've only been drawing seriously for the last six months and even I could do better than that. That's fucking Dobson tier.
So holding paper towels over it is enough to fix what is likely a fractured skull and at least some bruised or broken ribs.
Fact that she's so little injured is utter bullshit.
Slinking off to a bush and doing shit field triage like the dollar store huntress she is would make more sense. But that might make her seem weak being that injured.
>So holding paper towels over it is enough to fix what is likely a fractured skull and at least some bruised or broken ribs.
You know who could survive that sort of injury?
>picked up burgers at a drive-thru
>also got take-out pizza
Geez, Cosgrove, your metabolism must be absurd...
He makes 10k a month off Patreon for that boring crap. That's enough to piss anyone off.
>and everyone is always talking about her even if she isn't present.
Dear Lord, she really IS Poochie.
I figured if I only post Prince Vailant every Saturday, that should be okay.
Given Joyce's recent "character development", Dina might end up being the best character in DoA.
I was at a con cosplaying as The Spirit, where I saw some people I knew setting up a booth. I went over to talk to them, and they had no clue who I was until I lifted the mask
Fucking hell... he's been an artist HOW long?
You know, after reading some of this, I've realized something.
I legitimately like Joe, Walky, Dan, and the blonde TA guy. Willis can actually write fun characters. He just needs to dial back the preachy nonsense that infects the strip occasionally.
Joyce is supposed to represent the evil fundie shitlord that Willis would have become had he not been enlightened by his own intelligence.
Ethan and Amber are his self inserts of his current self. Willis got bootybothered when people didn't scream for Joyces murder and instead of took her side at multiple points.
Because she's not a terrible person just not well informed and has the capacity for growth. Like a normal person. She just needs someone better than Becky if she goes that route. that vapid piece of trash isn't good enough for her.
Telling him Joe, Danny or Walky are good characters will trigger him about Roomies and It's Walky though, and God forbid people acknowledge their existence.
Soon enough he'll be shouting at someone for mentioning Shortpacked.
Does he know that "good character" does not mean necessarily a good person?
Like the Joker in The Dark Knight is a good character, but also a murderous lunatic. Or Nox in Wakfu, easy to sympathise for but still a reprehensible villain, who did what he did partially because he thought he'd get away with it either way.
This seems silly.
If he didn't like these characters, he wouldn't write them so much. He definitely wouldn't write them as sympathetic or as getting stuff that's good happen to them.
>I actually sat and wrote out what has happened over the 5 years to each character in this comic and it's amazing to realize just how little shit has actually happened.
Ooh, do Pastebin it if you haven't already deleted it.
Keep in mind gays had to hide their shit or face jail time well into the 20th century, and beatings were dealt randomly to even the most closeted fags if there was a hint of gayness about them. The entire Pride movement and subsequent in-your-face nature of gayness is due to a hundred years of repression and brutalization.
>If a baker or caterer doesn't want to cover their gay wedding, gays try to have them run out of business.
They're breaking the law. If it was a black guy no one would be going oh the poor bakers.
>If a CEO gives to a charity that supports traditional marriage, gays get them fired.
If you're talking about the Mozilla guy, he donated to the Prop 8 campaign, which was a (temporarily successful) effort to get gay marriage BANNED. Calling it "supporting traditional marriage" is like calling a group pushing resegregation "a charity that supports traditional schools."
If you're talking about the Chik Fil A guy, the charity he donated to helped pass anti-gay laws in Africa, already full of some of the most dangerous places to be gay in the world.
>They don't want to leave it at just live and let live.
Well, three GOP presidential candidates appeared at an event where the emcee said the government should execute gay people; all around the US, schools try to avoid even mentioning gay people exist; homophobic parents kick gay children out of homes. Their rights are treated as a matter of opinion instead of a given thing you can't question. That's why they're still pissed off.
Ha! I forgot about that! If I remember right the bakers published all the details, including their names, their phone number, maybe even their address.
But nah it's those whiny faggots, bullying people everywhere.
I like Shive a lot as a person, I think Solomon said it best in that he's like your dumb little brother. I can't really beat up Dan for making a mediocre strip cause he is trying his hardest and is just having fun, additionally Dan doesn't try and make outlandish statements and he doesn't hold ridiculous beliefs.
Dan pretty much draws fetish/fap material in his comic anyway.
Of course he can, characters like Jason, Mike, Ruth, and Joe can be really fun at times and they at times stole the comics they were in. Willis just doesn't focus on these characters though and it's worse now in DOA. Also it's funny how his best characters are assholes.
u wut m8, No one was in any danger until Amber went ballistic.
I would love to but I don't want to over trivialize things and miss out on stuff I can't remember so I would have to go through the comic again to make sure I'm completely accurate in my assessment.
From what I did write out I went through all 18 character's Willis list on the cast page and additionally any other minor characters I could remember and you could summarize the whole comic in about a page of greentext.
I understand it's a slice of life and isn't suppose to be looked at as some grand story but look at other slice of lifes like Penny & Aggie, that shit had like 30 characters and updated half as much as DoA but in 5 years had far more interaction between members of the cast and had way more story-lines under its belt.
There are no complex characters in Dumbing of Age. None of the main members of the cast are actually flawed in anyway that matters.
>>every Dina plot becomes a Becky plot
Oh god no. Oh fucking please no. Dina was the one character in this fuck-heap I even cared about anymore until she hooked up with LesboPoochie.
This marks how many plots cannibalized by Becky, now?
- Joyce plots are now Becky plots,
- Any plot associated with Joyce's becomes a Becky plot, so Dorothy and Walky's plots are now Becky plots,
- Dina plots are now Becky plots,
- Billie/Ruth plots are now going to revolve around Billie keeping Becky's presence a secret from Ruth,
- Sal plots are about to become Becky plots because Becky now lives with her,
- I'm willing to bet Amber/Amazigirl plots are soon to become Becky plots because of what happened in this past arc, or at least "that time you saved Becky" is going to me constantly mentioned.
For fucks sakes, she's been there for only a few DAYS, how the fuck has she managed to get ties to fucking EVERYBODY?
He doesn't like that people sympathize with Walky over the Sal thing. It's fully out of his control and Sal treats him like shut but we really never see him treat her bad. If makes Sal look like a cunt but we are meant to acknowledge that Walky has privilege and disagree with him.
Joe is generally a punch line and there is a reason his part in the porn was emasculating.
Willis has always hated Dammy because Danny was his first self insert and the person David Willis hates the most is himself. After Danny he made self inserts but they all had differences. Danny and Joe in Roomies were him and his friend in comic form.
People thought the whole "You came out whiter" was meant to be Sal trying to make pathetic excuses to justify why she turned out badly, but then Willis saw people coming to that logical conclusion and went "Nah Walky is whiter. Parents are totally racist".
That's where a lot of the problem lies with Willis. The logical and sensible interpretation to certain moments goes against what he's trying to say, and he gets annoyed about it.
For instance, this recent Becky story had people think it'd end with multiple characters realising they are out of their depth and have been handling the situation poorly.
Instead Willis revealed the entire story was made just so he could have Becky flip off her Dad and brag about becoming a scientist.
I don't particularly care about character depth or advancement so I find "Fuck you, Fundie Dad" plenty satisfying on it's own. I'm not bothered by that, though I wish he'd spent less time getting to it. I am bothered by the race bullshit though.
The Sal thing is hilarious. I could actually buy the systemic, unintentional racism thing, it happens IRL. But, man, actually back that shit up. So far all we've seen is Sal insist it's the case. Sometimes I feel like half this writer's problems lie in the fact that his cast is way too bloated, and he feels the need to visit everyone in every arc, meaning that important plot shit takes ages to be fully explored.
I don't believe he hates Danny, though. Why would he give him a girlfriend he clearly thinks is cool and mostly portray him as a stand-up guy if he hated him? Why would he even include the character at all? Doesn't make no sense.
The problem people had was with how Becky was portrayed.
She is in reality entirely out of her depth, yet somehow we're supposed to see the final scene with her father as her being free, when it just comes across as bitter, forced and shallow.
You got that right. She went from crying and saying she wanted her family back to "nah, imma be a science" and smiling in like, 5 panels.
As 1-dimensional as Mike is, I feel he's the only sympathetic character. He's the only one that realizes how shitty every one around him is.
>Parents are totally racist
Aren't he parents mixed race themselves? How the fuck is a mixed race couple racist, toward their own daughter (and not their son) no less?
It can happen. My one friend is white with a black man and both hate other black people and are raising their daughter telling her she's white.
But the problem is the idea that Sal and Walky are twins, siblings, being treated different because reasons. It doesn't add up and it's contrived. Sure a mix raced couple can be a little racist but Willis handles it so badly.
Were Sal and Walky black in the original It's Walky?
>Were Sal and Walky black in the original It's Walky?
They were brown for sure. IIRC their mother was a major fuckup and ended up in jail. Also they were raised separately, Sal as Sal Winters IIRC.
If they were, they never said anything about it. I thought Sal was a Latina for the longest time instead of a Mulatto.
A long-haired Latina with a thick Southern drawl...good God Almighty.
Walky being treated better could have easily worked with "You were a boy and I wasn't". It'd still be a bit farfetched but it is something that happens in real life.
Instead Willis went for the race-card just so he could show just how deep his stories are that he showed a black guy being racist.
>If you're talking about the Mozilla guy, he donated to the Prop 8 campaign, which was a (temporarily successful) effort to get gay marriage BANNED. Calling it "supporting traditional marriage" is like calling a group pushing resegregation "a charity that supports traditional schools."
Hey, man, I completely disagree with him, but just supporting a different cause and understanding of marriage than me doesn't mean the guy should be run out of the company.
There's nothing really wrong with wanting to see an ignorant asshole not get what they want. Most people would agree that fundies are shit.
The problem is the story is bland and Becky is also shit.
Meh, my grudge is not against christians specifically. It's against authoritarians of any stripe. Fundies, Social Justice Warriors, Fascists, anybody demanding blind unthinking obedience and submission really.
>random anons are better writers than a guy who gets thousands of dollars a month to write absolute crap
Yeah we went over that earlier in the thread. Dina had figured out it was Amber because AUTISM!
Yeah it's not unbelievable in and of itself, it's a fine plot point, it's the way Willis handled it that's the issue.
Meteorology can be kind of the same way. I remember the first class we had the first thing my professor said was "The person sitting next to you won't graduate with you."
It seems like it's all fun and "look at this cool tornado" and then you hit the MATH and PHYSICS and people drop like flies. I remember telling some freshmen girl that it's hard and there's no shame if you can't do it, and she was SO OPTIMISTIC. "No. I'm gonna do it. I was made for this. I'm ready."
next year i'm sitting with a friend of mine who knows her and ask him what her major is. "EJA".
>Dina had figured out it was Amber because AUTISM!
Oh well that's a relief. I was worried Willis was gonna do something retarded like use plot and character development to make that connection.
Worse: In one strip Dorothy even says she could easily find out who Amazi-Girl is because she knows Amazi-Girl is white, has brown hair, knows her general height and weight, knows she runs track & field, and knows she is usually sighted around one particular wing. So if she investigated that wing she could zero in on the student who fit that description.
But then she completely forgets about it and later finds out Amber's identity completely by accident.
Actually it makes sense. The inability to recognize faces properly actually has that effect sometimes.
Some on the autism spectrum are immune to some optical illusions involving faces.
Didn't she, like, not want to do that?
She wanted an interview IIRC, not to expose her.
I think the purpose of that scene was to show that Amber was not acting logically, and was sort of self-destructively spiraling or some shit.
>I'm really more interested right now in seeing if Becky being Dina's girlfriend means every single Dina plot just becomes a Becky plot kind of like how Leslie's plots were all glorified Robin stories.
Considering Willis seems to think Becky's the greatest thing ever, yes.
Not that much of a leap.
IIRC it's a decade-old longtime rumour from the convention circuit.
Wasn't helped by that guy's comic about how willis's wife spends time away from him.
Dunno why though, his wife is basically his own clone.
>Is it just a rumor someone's trying to get started?
Bear in mind that his wife looks like him to a disturbing degree and is currently pregnant with twins.
Interesting how he appears to live through Walky and... is that Joyce?
Interesting how he appears to live an idealized life through his own creation. It's not uncommon for writers to live vicariously through characters they invent, of course, but given how Willis adheres to the same cast of characters (and has done so for the better part of a decade now), it makes you wonder just how opposite his actual life is compared to his comics. Especially Walky.
Hell, isn't Walky's first name Danny or something?
Why hasn't some school shooter gone and killed Willis instead?
Seriously, answer me this. You'd get the same notoriety, you'd be a hero to anyone who'd actually read his comics, and his kids could grow up marginally less stunted.