So let me get this straight.
Time travel works like literal loops or circles, things with no beginning and no end.
This motherfucker only got his powers because the trolls meddled with the human's session, and in particular with jade's sprite. They only did that because jack came into their session and ruined it with his powers. The powers he got from the trolls etc
Am i getting this right?
Yes. Time travel in Homestuck works in totally stable paradoxes.
Even when Hussie wrote in a get-out-of-jail-free card and gave a character the power to ignore the stable time loops it turned out to form another, even bigger stable time loop.
Honestly I love how timetravel works in Homestuck. It worked the same way in Interstellar i think.
Also I haven't read homestuck in a few years, is it worth picking up again? After the second generation of trolls were introduced I gave up on it.
Still as good as it ever was.
The only thing is the whole stop and go format from hussie losing all that money (and his dad dying) killed alot of the hype, even though the comic itself is still amazing.
Nepeta still best girl
Well they didn't amount to much except series 2.0 who got everyone except roxy killed. Then John took her and his planet with all the sprites and roses body to the void and saved vriskas by punching her. In the new time line Dave is gay and everyone does what vriskas says. Also rose isn't a drunk. And sprite^2s. In the new session instead of tavris you have gcatavros and fefeta is replaced by the pre retcon rose which then fused with pre retcon jasper making jasprose. Instead of erisol you got nepetasprite which fused with davesprite. Arquiu was made again.
Don't listen to >>77489643 , he's wrong and he smells bad. Nepeta is dead; a monster was borne from her corpse and took flight. The plot drags on, and the spotlight shines on characters whose arcs will never be resolved, instead of the characters that actually do something.
Though the time travel aspects used to be the best part of Homestuck, but Dave doesn't do that anymore. Instead John got Time powers of his own, and Vriska ganked his role in the session.
Everything you like about it is gone and has been replaced with a shambling corpse of a comic that Hussie is trying to stay relevant. The game might be decent but it definitely won't approach the levels Undertale did.
Undertale was a complete story you could digest in a couple of hours, it's actually achievable for a person with social and professional obligations to make it through Undertale and appreciate it.
Like, Homestuck might well be VERY good, but I don't fault anyone for not being able to stick with it. Something THAT long is almost too much to bother with. The only reason I'm able to keep up with One Piece is because I started it in middle school.
Most of them are already out for free though?
Fuck you i still like it.
I think the quality itself is still the same but the stagnation brought on by the red light green light thing he has going on is kinda souring people on it. Reading it as one solid thing it still looks fine.
>the game might be decent
I don't know how someone could read through all of Homestuck at this point unless they started it a long while ago. It's so long.
I read the 8bit theater archives a few years back during a long trip and that felt like a long read. At this point I can only imagine Homestuck taking even longer.
I think at this point the main reason people expect it to suck isn't the concept. It's just that after what happened to the budget they might not have the resources to make a good game. And who knows how long it's going to take them.
I will point out that all this bullshit with stable time loops works the way it does because Skaia (or fate/destine/whatever) makes it work that way. There is something that determines with the alpha timeline "should" be, and any deviation from that (such as breaking a time loop) just results in a doomed timeline. So really it's fate that trumps everything.
Which is why the main villain of the story is the guy for whom fate will bend over backwards, and ensure that space and time work towards his continued existence. If the Beforus Trolls hadn't failed and scratched their session, or if the Alternia Trolls hadn't meddled with the Humans' session, or if Alpha Jake hadn't sent the weapons to Beta Jade, or if any of the Beta Kids hadn't passed along the bunny, or if Jack hadn't ended up with Liv Tyler and killed the queen, or if Jack hadn't proved too powerful of a foe for the kids to deal with, or if John hadn't retrieved the Tumor from the battlefield, or if Rose hadn't listened to Doc Scratch and taken the tumor to blow up the source of Jack's power, there would be no Green Sun. Presumably, with no Green Sun, there is no Lord English.
>baiting me with lore discussion to post in a HS thread
Anyway, fate is its own thing. Skaia doesn't "do" anything, per se. It merely knows. Of course it influences people to act according to the visions they see in the clouds, but it's no different from the Prospitians and the Consorts writing down their knowledge of the prophecies onto books or whatever method of information preservation they use, then leaving it around for the players to stumble upon.
Fate, destiny; they're all just things that happen. It's like how a person doesn't choose how they're born or what they'll grow up to be like. Kinda. The players, being pretty much "gods-in-the-making", have a big say on how fate plays out. More than most, anyway. It's a bit of how Caliborn does his thing; he wants something, and fate contrives itself to do what he wants. The "preparations" he makes are just a formality for causality. The unconscious will of the characters are what directs fate, and the ones who have the greatest ability to direct it (and not necessarily the strength to make the change) are those who have access to time travel or to the Mind aspect.
But was it really worth tentabulges
something you're forgetting about this: Caliborn is the "Lord of Time", whose power is to be "already here"; that is to say, he has completely inordinate control over casuality, and what he says will be what happens
that's exactly what we're seeing right now with the developments from the current act paralleling what he foreshadowed in a6a6a3
casuality is caliborn's ability to tell stories, essentially.
None of that is remotely true. At what point does anyone have any control over what timeline is the alpha timeline? Any deviation from the alpha timeline results in a doomed timeline; therefore nobody can deviate from what is "supposed" to happen, else they stop being alpha and are doomed. This was Aranea's entire motivation and it's why she had no chance for success. She was trying to "heal" the timeline by changing the alpha timline to be something else, and all that happened was everyone got killed. Only John (or someone else with the 'recon' power; presumably Lord English) can change the alpha timeline.
>casuality is caliborn's ability to tell stories
>caliborn's storytelling is shitty
>homestuck is shitty
Holy shit this explains so much
>Homestuck is still dead for the next 5 months
>Even when 4/13 rolls around it probably won't be the end of Homestuck
>Another hiatus and news post with Hussie going "HAHA SORRY wow game dev stuff and comic stuff is hard!!! See you in a year"
I just want closure
Aye, they've ruined many a good fic. I don't want to shit on anybody's fetish, but they've gotten to prevalent that people don't seem to even bother to use a xeno or tentabulge tag anymore. Tentabulges are kind of the assumed default. It's like... some kind of forced headcanon. I need an adult.
It's a shitty fetish. Xenophilia means nothing when the genital is question is always just a lazy as hell tentacle. It's more them trying to be special snowflakes with their shitty tumblr genitalia because they're afraid of penises.
So if time travel in Homestuck is sort of like a teleport between two places in time instead of space, could theoretically a time traveler jump between timelines by going back in time, waiting until a critical event changes the future, then jumping forward in time?
Say presume that Dave wanted to go get Davesprite's sacrificial slab. If he time traveled back to before Davesprite came back and wrote John's birthday note, then jumped forward in time to about the time John blasted off, wouldn't his destination point only take into account the world history that lead up to that point and take him to Davesprite's timeline instead?
Uh, I'm not BKEW. What did he say?
>something you're forgetting about this: Caliborn is the "Lord of Time", whose power is to be "already here"; that is to say, he has completely inordinate control over casuality, and what he says will be what happens
No, I'm saying that everyone has got that. It's just that Caliborn is better at it. We've seen his mental processes at first hand, how he speaks that his role as the Lord of Time is to be at ease with how fate will bend itself over backwards for him to dryhump it. Remember how Terezi was going over a crisis on her decision to kill Vriska? On whether she had just narrowed down all the possible decisions to what was available there, or if she had simply not seen any other choices, or if all choices were possible and that she felt that their decisions are pointless if only one of their choices could be chosen as part of the main timeline? Caliborn is unhinged and untroubled with matters like this, so he cannot be limited by hesitation or doubt like other characters. Like that, when he chooses for something to happen, he doesn't hinder himself at all or set himself up for failure. He meticulously arranges the details of what he wants to happen.
However, this is not the only thing that helps him in controlling fate.
Take Vriska's luck stealing. Luck, in this story, is just another way to refer to fate. Caliborn has that with him at all times, but does it in a different way (he decides how something goes, and then he "makes" it happen afterward). Luck is just another way for him to manipulate events without needing to personally act. And what is "lucky" is determined by what he wants to happen. Same with Vriska.
That's what I'm referring to when I'm talking about "strength". Doc Scratch prides himself over his minimalist approach towards manipulating events, but that's backed up by his total omnipotence (with blind spots so as to direct his own actions, that he may react or fail to react and allow the timeline to proceed as planned). He essentially has the same ability as Terezi, but on a much grander scale.
LE probabily looks dissastifying because its Becs inverted arc; Jack gets he bunny, the ring and guardian powers by luck(=Vriska) , and the kids have to level their gear/prepare the new universe/find a way to stop him in a short period of time. Then in the new arc Caliborn is the one actually doing more effort than the kids (even if onscreen) while they get used in Condy shenanigans only to get saved by... Vriska. Ha.
There is Union Jack in the new session but we know its not even the final challenge (some characters die at most) and spidertroll facilitated it, something that only works once
Also someone should tell pic related to the "ex" music team.
i'm always really weirded out as to how prominent katnep shippers/people who hate karkat and vriska are in these threads
Early in the Trolls' introductions, Vriska would kind of aggressively flirt with Karkat, who would sort of aggressively tell her to fuck off, which resulted in more aggressive flirting. If it were written now it'd be called Blackrom, but it was written before all that shit was fleshed out. Remember that the entire Troll romance thing was made up as Hussie went.
Anyway, it kind of made sense at the time.
>jade/roxy with a dick
I have seen I think... two fics that meet this description, one of which was really short, and the other was more about Roxy discovering void powers than it is about sex. If you have more, I'd love for you to share them.
The shitty davekat is goddamn rampant though.
Dave's not even an alpha chad though. He's awkward like Karkat, but even that that's not really something in common because both of them approach it differently. it's like hussie stuck them together because they were chummy previously and he needed some reason to pair the spares?
T.B.H (to be honest) should I try to read Homestuck or just masturbate to it's porn.
Reading it enhances your understanding of the porn, even when you're ultimately disappointed that Hussie will ruin whatever waifu you pick by the end of the comic.
But still, in the long run Hussie knows how to write girls that are really god damn fuckable.
Wait until it finishes next year.
That's the problem with Homestuck being so long. Half of these characters felt like their arcs should have concluded years ago but since it kept going, they had to have new issues introduced.
Not only the color but lava and the knight theme. Like other anon said color theory is an important aspect of the comic.
> their arcs should have concluded years ago
They are human beings, they don't have arcs :^)
They are not human beings, they are characters in a comic.
I'm not sure it's just the writing that makes them god damn fuckable.
Yeah but that didn't form any stable time loops. John literally brought back shit from a doomed timeline, which should have doomed it. Roxy and John are outsiders/non-caused in that universe.
>going the whole broken teenage god angle would of been much more interesting
I think there's still some elements of that in the family reunion stuff and the stuff with Jade.
And really, why do people keep thinking that "we don't have arcs" comment is the definite end statement on that when it's not really presented as a good thing, and frankly, contrary to >>77496089 I don't believe that any of the characters' core issues have been fully resolved yet.
Short version is that they hired a company, and then those guys fucked around and did nothing for a while, and it's alleged they siphoned the cash into another project they were working on at the same time that actually amounted to something. Hussie had to call it quits with them, handle the legal nightmare, and then set up his own rinky dink game company so that he can actually ensure the remaining cash is used for the intended purpose.
Unsurprisingly, the people with the ability to make a product that'll get a lot of funding on Kickstarter aren't necessarily the best people to be in charge of handling a lot of money. It's like if a major corporation put the Marketing department in charge of the budget for the whole company, except these people are also usually amateurs.
The starry-eyed young artist with a fat stack of cash and a dream being crushed and strip-mined by a company has been happening since the dawn of time. You hear about the bad business and scummy companies involved in crowdfunding because they literally have a crowd of fans signal boosting the issue.
>I will point out that all this bullshit with stable time loops works the way it does because Skaia (or fate/destine/whatever) makes it work that way. There is something that determines with the alpha timeline "should" be, and any deviation from that (such as breaking a time loop) just results in a doomed timeline. So really it's fate that trumps everything.
Or, maybe not.
I pre-commit to sending my latter-to-be past-self a message specifying where to find the buried gold at a pre-specified future date. If the instructions I receive at that time are correct after verification. I will back-propagate the message to my past-self. I will also set measures in place to deter any attempts made by my future-self at dicking me or otherwise failing to fulfil establishing a stable causal loop that resolves in a way I desire. And then something inexplicable happens anyway because, reasons. It really depends on the cosmology's causality structure.
I always tought this way but didnt have a study to base on. Also if any object in the comic was sent back to become his previous self thatd be a incorrect time loop, Cal had to be (re)materialized with gamzee majyyks and not just retrieved from the void for example.
They use John's power to fight LE, which is what creates him to start with, and the kids from the retcon timeline are inside the treasure making the powers that gave the ability to John in the first place.
John's new reality has been factored into the time loops ever since Lil Cal existed.
I just remembered that there's been a few MSPAF threads from Tenebrais a couple years back that explains the time travel mechanics:
Only send back information. Back-propagation with objections only works if alternative histories are involved, at which point there would only be a partial chance of receiving it. If I sent a bomb back into the past, 20 minutes ago, but set the bomb to explode in 22 minutes. There might be a chance I might not die but an alternative history or 'timeline' might be in for a bad surprise. If you tried this trick to send an undetonated concussion grenade, you might end up with either two of them or none of them. One timeline will be deprived since branching timelines don't need stable causal loops. There are a few tricks that can be exploited with stretching this concept further and there is a Terminator fanfic that really makes better use of it.
>when ur healers are Karkat and Vriska, while Feferi can't heal the whole team
there is an 'alphja' timeline, and everything is is doomed timelines
you can travel back from doomed timelines far enough before the event that doomed it (usually something which broke a time loop) but you can only travel forward on the timeline you are on
So if you are on a doomed timeline, you can go back till you reach the alpha and then go forward, but you can't travel forward to reach a doomed timeline
you 'could' go back, make sure a certain timeline-dooming event happened, go forward, get what you wanted, go back till you reached the alpha, then go forward again, but in the process you would retroactively become doomed yourself and be fated to die one way or the other
Hussie is really trying for one of the most meta works he can create out there. Yeah theres the whole league of inside jokes but also how the classpects determine what sort of role they're going to play. He tries to drive the point home by doing the real life thing where most people struggle with the same problems their whole life but with mixed results since this is a comic at the end of the day.
>not Roxys breeding waist
Why don't you move to /trash/ since theres not much to discuss?
Because I want to discuss about the comic and not shitty fucking inside culture?
What's the point for Terezi remembering her relationship with Vriska? So, she can become the perfect doormat for her?
>but she remembered the doomed timeline
Where is the proof of that?
You can plainly see that's what her powers are showing her. More accurately, she's reaching into the mind of her doomed-self. The reason she's doing this is because killing Vriska was a moment of triumph for her. The moment she gained true mastery over her powers and her fate.
Remembering that shit will make her stronger.
Horrorterrors talk to them. While Skaia only shows you pictures with no context, and said pictures could be past present or future (or even other fucking timelines) the Horrorterrors are much more direct, for better or worse.
Terezi was Prospit
When did silhouettes become so sexy?
>hey let's make the most boring as fuck character who has her love arc completed in Act 5.2, then gets the matriorb in Act 6.5 or something
>she is also a vampire and wields a chainsaw, because I don't know what interesting character trait I can put on her
>get it, because virgos are boring
Fuck you, Hussie.
But if your existence is from the alpha and you ensure that there's a future you, would you still be doomed if you integrated yourself into a branch timeline without causing it? Say baseball tee Dave was still fated to fight Jack in the future, but followed past Dave and entered Davesprite's timeline to captcha Calsprite, then return back. Since he's not a native denizen of that timeline and has a destiny elsewhere, would he still be doomed?
Karkat and Vriska aren't that bad desu senpai
>literally done nothing
>befriends a fucking murderer who killed two of his friends
>instead of joining Meenah's ghost army, he actually believes he is Terezi's most precious person and that she needs him (I fucking hope GO!Karkat gets kicked in the balls by GO!Terezi.)
They'll continue on their daily lives, but they'll suffer increasingly unlucky scenarios that will often result in their deaths. This goes on until the moment a time traveler goes back in time and averts the timeline from ever happening. This causes a relatively normal erasure of that future, which in effect kills the remaining occupants permanently, and their souls depart for the afterlife. Memories and experiences can be passed down via dreamselves merging, if the survivors choose to do this.
My friend recommended me this comic, or rather, he won't shut up about. So i decided to read it, after 300 pages nothing had happened, i'm not sure if the plot has begun yet.
Then i realized there were 17 000 pages and going and figured i would never be able to read it.
How much is considered filler? Excluding important key scenes (given that there are some).
Kanya is one of the only interesting lowblood trolls (besides Karkat). You just cannot into subtly. Characters can be interesting without being sociopaths or horse fetishist or /r9k/-level psychopaths.
Kanaya's not boring and she scores consistently as one of my favorite characters.
The early parts are kind of like a litmus test for your patience, if you cannot get past the first 3 acts Homestuck isn't really for you. Everything from there is pretty solid.
There's no filler until around the 6th act, that's when the pacing crawls to a halt and you'll just have go grin and grind through it.
And there are only about half the number of pages you mentioned.
If it takes a month or two to get through the comic, sure. I managed to reread the whole thing in around two weeks, and I have heard of others getting through it quicker than that.
Yeah, I missed a "for you" in the first sentence, of course depending on how much other stuff someone has and how time-consuming it is it would take longer to read it all. I reread it all in almost one go during a school break so I had much of the free time possible for me.
>Yeah, I missed a "for you" in the first sentence
Dave and Rose are pasty white trash, Jade at least has an island excuse
Technically they're all the same race of ecto-goo.
I'm holding out that it turns out there is a "pre-retcon" LE that is the one fucking shit up and the Caliborn we've been following will turn out different. It would explain a few (extremely minor) plotholes, but it would also require Hussie not being a hack.
Jade's skin is sensitive
That's the only time people are GOING to care about Homestuck. It was a common saying during the giga pause that we're all Homestuck critics until it updates, than we love it again.
The gigapause ended, and when it did people flocked back to the comic. It killed the momentum of the flavor-of-the-month tumblr fanbase that snowballed out of control, but it still has plenty of actual fans.
When I first got into Homestuck I marathoned it in four and a half days without sleep, but that was back during the cascade hiatus.
I honestly just checked it out because I wanted to see how long I could force myself to stay awake and needed something to do. I can't help but wonder if I would have had such a good first impression if I wasn't deliriously sleep deprived by the time I got to Act 5
now that I think about it there's probably a Sburb game out there in the void that ruined because the time player was a real dick and everytime an iteration found himself in a doomed timeline he just sent bombs back to the alpha until he ceased to exist
As far as I can tell, being doomed is sort of like a status bar that fills up. Beyond a certain threshold you are doomed, but that's just the baseline and some things are more doomed than others. Things that still have timeloops to close are less doomed than things that don't.
At the same time, since sprites are thematically ghost guide/guardians, they count as having died when they get sprited, and the doomed bar resets back to zero, which is why Davesprite didn't die.
Miraculous Ladybug is a french superhero cartoon about teens that transform into their heroic personas via an animal spirit thing. Most people just watch it for the catboy twink running around in skintight latex
If Lord English is Caliborn with retcon powers, and the comic as we originally knew it is what the timeline is like with him influencing it, then wouldn't there be a "pre-pre-retcon" timeline?
I haven't read this comic in years. Lived the dream with everyone here back in 2010/2011. comic went to shit, I bailed early. I still check up on the latest a few times a year by these threads. Already been 4 years, wow. Sad. Anyways, I check up because I want to be around when the finale happens, because I want to see what the ending is, and if it's what he planned seven/eight years ago still, or what remains of it.
I mean, he let a 1 year project that could have been a nice neat little heartfelt thing, like a more colorful Problem Sleuth, his own Undertale, balloon to two years, which was ok, then three which should have been the hard finale, and then it just... got lost in space. Then the game's terrible timing and disaster. God. He coulda have been on like, his 5th 1-year project by now. Some other flashy visually inspiring experimental classic.
I mourn this dude's loss, and miss stuff like AIDS and Neon Ice Cream Headache and Problem Sleuth and just... all the weird life his work had.
Caliborn doesn't have retcon powers; multiple characters have stated, including Caliborn himself, that his half of the ultimate weapon is the ultimate power of Time: Destiny. Caliborn's will and English's existence alone forces reality to bend over for his wishes, and trying to deviate from the course he set out gets punished.
It's like why everyone kept saying "he is already here". Because he is, which means he has an origin that the heroes must adhere to. Imagine reading the last page of a book before jumping back and reading chapter 1. No matter whether you want to or not, the story WILL lead to that end, one way or another.
It's why John's power is the other half of the temporal coin superweapon: Revisionism. The story will eventually lead to the end that was foreseen, but John can shape and rewrite the intermediate plot so the unknown epilogue changes.
In effect, Caliborn, John, and Alt Calliope all have three parts to this authorial metapower: The writer, the editor, and the publisher.
Yeah, it's too bad. I still like Hussie's early work and the first half or so of Homestuck. If it had wrapped up earlier and he had moved on to other projects he'd probably still be pretty successful. I don't know how many people are gonna follow what he does once Homestuck is over though.
>I don't know how many people are gonna follow what he does once Homestuck is over though.
If the game comes out next year, is good, of decent length (say, 4+ hours), and manages to get into an indie humble bundle then that should reinvigorate his waning fanbase with a healthy amount of new followers, enough that he still has a credible reputation when his next thing comes out.
Nobody will want to follow. Because Hussie experimented, and a lot of it failed. He has a failed game, his art has degraded badly, he has mixed relations and a disliked fandom that jumped ship to other way more successful works... it really seems like brevity is the key, since Problem Sleuth was great stuff and held up, the first two years of Homestuck was an incredible ride, Undertale was nice and short and succinct
If Homestuck had ended after 2 years it would have been one of the most amazing things the internet would have ever experienced. He'd be legend.
We established retcons as only existing from the point where John makes them in the comics, so if Lord English was ONLY made after the retcon, he shouldn't have existed until then. Maybe time travel can get around this but it's a bit different because it's a LE that's not supposed to exist until John retcons him.
There's also a really really nitpicky thing where Caliborn talks to Jake about Gamzee. It has to happen before the retcon because Gamzee was in a fridge post-retcon, which means there's a pre-retcon Caliborn. Since the ghosts survived the retcon it's not unreasonable that a pre-retcon LE did as well.
In Caliborn's masterpiece when he's watching himself, he mentions that the him on the screen is surprised even though his future self *should* know if he also watched himself. It's possible that Caliborn is watching his future self at the EXACT moment the retcon on the screen is "happening," meaning his future self wouldn't have seen it. And now that he knows, the outcome could be different.
Of course this is maximum tinfoil hat, but deep in my heart it's what I want so our lord and savior Caliborn can be redeemed but also we get a sick fight against the "other" LE.
>if Lord English was ONLY made after the retcon, he shouldn't have existed until then
that's the penultimate power of 'Already Here'
Lord English can exist without an origin. Even if he used his retcon powers to kill Caliborn as a fresh hatched snakeling LE would likely continue to exist.
So in a way, I guess I am agreeing with you. It is within the realm of possibility that Caliborn could be persuaded not to become LE, and to help them fight LE, and LE wouldn't cease to exist as soon as Caliborn made that choice.
>We established retcons as only existing from the point where John makes them in the comics
Well, from the point of the serial reader, but for the archival reader they would be seen as always having been there for initially inexplicable reasons. And besides that, a timeline, even one created as a result from retcons, would still be there and be pre-determined as a part of Paradox Space.
>It has to happen before the retcon because Gamzee was in a fridge post-retcon
And didn't Vriska say she's gonna drop Gamzee in B2 Earth's oceans after it gets transported to Caliborn and Calliope's universe?
>he mentions that the him on the screen is surprised even though his future self *should* know if he also watched himself
This I may give some credence for, though it is likely that Caliborn decides to go through all of that anyways 'cause then he'll get to become LE and have all the power and all that.
And in the end I'm not really sure what purpose a Caliborn redemption arc would have.
>And didn't Vriska say she's gonna drop Gamzee in B2 Earth's oceans after it gets transported to Caliborn and Calliope's universe?
It's not about Gamzee being Caliborn's dad, it was specifically talking about Gamzee making Erisolsprite, which couldn't have happened post-retcon. So a pre-retcon Caliborn must have been talking to pre-retcon Jake. I don't think we've seen post-retcon characters interacting with pre-retcon characters except for dreambubble shenanigans, since the retconned events never happened.
>Time travel works like literal loops or circles, things with no beginning and no end.
Sort of. All stable time loop circles have a threaded "beginning", but once the time loop begins, that "beginning" is cut off until the thread feeds into itself.
Someone explained it once at an old, oooold /hsg/ but I never had the good sense to save it.
>In the new time line Dave is gay
He was always kind of a fag
>and everyone does what vriskas says
Because no one was doing anything (which is what got them into that GAME OVER bad end in the first place). For all of Vriska's faults, she knows how to command people and her powergaming habits got the Meteor crew into a better position.
>Also rose isn't a drunk
Yeah these are pretty dumb.
Ah right. I guess that all depends whether the command station Caliborn is using is able to see both pre- and post-retcon happenings or not, and also if Universe C would be split pre- and post-retcon at all.
>Somehow resurrect Vriska in the Furthest Ring
>Either there's no dreamselves there to take Vriska back to the session or there are and they get woken up before they can
>Vriska finds out the direction of the session
>She has her own three year journey to get there, which the audience doesn't have to see
It's not that hard to think something up.
it wasn't thrown away. It still happened. It still developed the themes and expanded the story and gave insight into the characters. (Vriska) and Game Over Terezi completed their story arcs. GO Rose's existence continued visa Jasprosesprite^2. Terezi knows everything that happened there firsthand. John still went through everything firsthand. Hell even GO Nanasprite is still around.
>What was Vriska's story arc again?
Huge 8itch 8luh 8luh.
Or to be more precice, since destiny won't allow her to stop being a huge 8itch, to learn how to direct her 8itchiness in a productive and contributive way.
just before the confrontation with Terezi she was questioning troll culture, and her 'eye for an eye' lifestyle. When GO Terezi killed (Vriska), it just vindicated that lifestyle and quelled her doubts. She did a bad thing, she got killed for it, and that was 'Right' and it doesn't matter what shitty things you do since you'll only know you crossed the line when someone's murdered you so why stress about it.
Vriska on the other hand experienced mercy via John's intervention, since the chain of revenge was broken, she had nothing better to do than apply herself differently, which led to her huge 8itching Rose out of alchoholism and using her force of personality to stop the meteor peeps from just closing off from one another and enabling bad habits.
She's become a bit like Rimmer on Red Dwarf in that by being an obnoxious but not dangerous person, she helps keep the people around her grounded and give perspective, and tactless enough to confront people about things a more polite person would turn a blind eye to.
'course it's not over yet since her plan to defeat LE isn't much different than her plan to beat Bec Noir
Reminder that Hussie will never produce anything as great as Don't Stop ever again.
please, somebody draw fanart, it's been so long
The gigapause WOULD have worked if hussie was able to follow through with his original plan and post the rest of the comic at once. Since that went out the window he has to do this stop and go thing
Yeah i can kinda understand all the ghostwriter theories even though i don't really buy them.
still it's like what? 1% of all of Homestuck? It's still an amazing comic overall imo.
The problem is it's that 1% that matters, because it developed a bunch of characters people liked into toothless caricatures of themselves that talk like they're in a fanfiction.
But Vriska is underage as well. She keeps creeping on kids man.
An anon pointed A6A3 last thread and I agree with him, everything after meenahquest became lifeless save some storytelling and Aranea shenanigans.
>seahorses can choose to abort eggs from 'ugly' females
Its like pottery
Shota!Karkat and Loli!Vriska are miracles to our pathetic existences. Meenah has good taste.
But seriously, is Meenah a good leader? Her speech is cringey as fuck and Vriska fell for her easy.
It depends on who you talk to. If it were the humans, they wouldn't directly follow her. But the trolls probably have a genetic subjugation instinct to allow Meenah's caste to always assume leadership. To them, it just doesn't feel right unless one with Meenah's blood is calling the shots.
What about Dave and Dirk's scene? I thought that was written pretty well.
Honestly all the blatantly beating around the bush on Davekat makes me think it's not really going to be a thing. Why would Hussie do all of that teasing then make it explicit, when it's quicker to just outright show that they're dating from the start if it's going to be the end result anyways? This is more likely just more fucking with the fans 'cause Hussie thinks it's funny, like with all the just-as-blatant Johnrezi teasing.
And I also think that Rosemary is going to sink before the end. Really, none of those ships feel like sufficient endgame material for me, based on the development of the characters and how the relationships have been focused.
>very few fanarts of Wizardy Herbert
>no fanarts of AIDS
So the whole caliborn narration thing is confusing me. Is that a timeline that is yet to happen but already happened from his perspective, the fight we're about to see when everyone faces off with the BBE's or a timeline that never happened in the first place because of johns retcon powers?
The fight with Caliborn and the kids is a future event that he sees in one of the screens from the command station. That happens after he confronts Yaldobaoth, which he says he will do at the end of his masterpiece. Whether the retcons had or will have any effect on that scene remains to be seen, though I'm betting that it probably didn't.
the first one. It's not the fight we're about to see because what we're about to see is the gang vs LE, and what Caliborn saw was the fight that ultimately resulted in his transformation from Caliborn to LE via being trapped in Lil Cal with Dirkquius and 1/2Gamzee.
Furthermore it's the post-retcon timeline rather than the pre-retcon timeline since pre-retcon Gamzee already got cut in half. The gamzee Caliborn saw was fine.
with regards to confusion about who Caliborn talked to etc, remember that each instance of Skaia takes place in its own isolated timeline. Just like how in Davesprite's timeline he still had memories of talking to the trolls right up until John died, Caliborn has memories of talking to the pre-retcon beta kids.
And why does everyone assume that the ship's going to survive, other than
on either side of the spectrum? Like now that Rose's alcoholism has been resolved earlier they're now just there being a generic happy couple, all played safe with little to nothing between them that would make anyone (who doesn't steadfastly ship them at least) still care about their relationship. Along with them being the longest lasting ship in the comic by far, I doubt the two are going to keep staying that way for long.
They definitely did because we already saw John and the rest retcon-teleporting in.
>Furthermore it's the post-retcon timeline rather than the pre-retcon timeline since pre-retcon Gamzee already got cut in half. The gamzee Caliborn saw was fine.
Are you talking about Game Over when Gamzee got cut in half? Yeah, that was pre-retcon, but it was also a doomed timeline because Aranea fucked with everything so it shouldn't matter. Presumably there is a pre-retcon alpha timeline we never saw because it didn't matter.
theres a third thing that ive seen a lot lately:
that their relationship doesnt affect them at all and you're an evil homophobe for daring to consider that misogynistic notion of "relationships should impact characters" ought to apply to a beautiful diverse webcomic like homestuck.
can we just look over what things will be left after dealing with the 3 bad guys?
>dave still refuses to accept death and not embracing his role/timetraveling WHICH WOULD HAVE PREVENTED RETCONS IN THE FIRST PLACE FUCK
>rose still has authority issues which everyone ignores
>john hasn't got over the death of his dad
>jake seems to have come to the conclusion that he shouldn't love anyone because he blames himself for dirk's bullshit
>Jade, still being partially a sprite, and her extremely likely impending death
>Jade having lost everything
>Jade being alone for 3 years surrounded by NPCs
>Rose still not finishing her planet quest/not meeting Cetus
>Dave's incomplete planet quest/not meeting Hephaestus
>Jade still hasn't done frogbreeding
>B2 kids still have unfinished quests/unmet denizens
>The continuing theme of "cancer" as first Jack Noir, then spreading to become increasingly worse conditions in both story and comic, which gets temporarily pushed back only for the effects to resurge at even greater severity with no determinable final treatment in sight
>also we haven't seen the draconian dignitary in fucking years whats up with him
Using retcon powers doesn't necessarily mean that it won't happen until then, for example the meteor crew already knew that pre-retcon John and Roxy would eventually join them on the lily pad.
>Presumably there is a pre-retcon alpha timeline we never saw
That's assuming that retcon powers would never be used in that timeline, which would eventually cause it to be doomed anyways.
Yeah, there's still lots of shit that needs to be dealt with, and I wouldn't rule out that some of Rose's issues would possibly revolve around her relationship with Kanaya.
I'm been pretty much a /u/-fag for a long while now and Rosemary is probably the first ship that where I'm pretty much been 'meh' on.
I thought for the longest time I was homophobic because I hated all the gay stuff in Homestuck, then I saw other works where I actually liked it.
And it's that I just realized Rosemary is terrible.
I will admit the way the fandom just gushes about the popular ships
even honestly-not-bad ones like John/Daveis horribly obnoxious and definitely doesn't help matters. For me I think the main reason why I don't care about the ship is because Rose and Kanaya are a mite too similar together to really have an engaging dynamic. That's probably also why we didn't even get much insight of that dynamic at all after they hooked up, and when we did it revolved around Rose's alcoholism.
The whole "WAHH WAHH Bro was a meanie abuser!" part really stung a lot of people the wrong way, since it reframed Dave and Bro's relationship in such a ridiculously distorted way that was never referred to before.
Rosemary was a great ship in theory when they weren't actually together. The problem was all the wonderful chemistry they showed before they met and hooked up, pretty much vanished along with all of their characterization.
Hussie's style always had those hatched lines and cartoonish proportions.
I think saying that it was nothing but "Bro was a meanie abuser!" is an overreaction on both sides. There were signs that Bro did care for Dave, but it doesn't change that Dave felt like shit about how he treated him. It didn't distort their relationship as much as showed it in a realistic light.
Aside from getting hit by pies being far less serious than having to do sword fights on the rooftop, the difference with John and Dad is that John doesn't feel like Dad hated him and he hasn't been raised into an atmosphere of intense intimidation with Dad that Dave had with Bro. Also, any pie fights Dad and John had were kept lighthearted and in mutual terms, while Bro's sword fights were most likely not done because Dave wanted to.
I honestly feel that when they all finally get to mingle with each other they would have a pretty neat group dynamic going on.
She's not really been reduced though, she still had a good amount of focus towards her, but I don't think she was ever meant to be the leader in the first place, what with Dirk initially pulling the strings on everyone entering their session, then Roxy taking in the role just for how much she tries to keep the alphas together amidst the teen soap opera shit. I thought it was a fairly clever idea, and now all that's needed to be done is for her to get herself and the others together again and actually have each other talk and make up for their mistakes.
No way, she was extremely popular from her very introduction. People considered her the best B2 kid from the moment she was introduced, but the more intense fans got louder once she started getting shipped with John.
Yeah, dunno about Mom, but Hussie said Bro's in his 30's in the commentary for Book 3:
>In round two of Dave's strife, he tries to escape from the relentless puppet pummeling, but Bro slashes the ABSCOND command just like he sliced all the other battle commands in round one. The message is clear. Dave can't escape until he has been dealt the requisite daily helping of domestic abuse, wait I mean ninja training. What did I say there? Nothing. It was nothing. Homestuck is a lighthearted and funny cartoon dealing in highly abstract and stylized household situations, and nothing about it shall evoke the gritty realities experienced every day by real life victims of abuse. Now let's watch this 30-something year old man pound the daylights out of his adopted 13 year old brother and biological son.
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No, but she'll learn to be only somewhat of a bitch to her friends and people they like
There was a huge spike in popularity after the last pause, so yeah I think so
Also, artist for this one please
Honestly yeah, this Vriska we're talking about, cheaty bitch she is it's completely believable she found something or had an ace in the hole that let her get out of death
Huh, that's a pretty good interpretation actually
While I dislike some of the recent things, I don't think it's actually bad yet, just shifted focus for reasons only Hussie knows/is insane enough to think was a good idea
Why is he so young?
Glad I'm not the only one with that theory, would be a huge kick in the pants if it turns out Condy can say Jump and all the trolls reflexively wonder how high though
I don't care either way, the current ships are fine for me but I'm kinda hoping it ends with the final ships left ambiguous
I would like to know too
>Hussie ends Homestuck
>Comes out with new comic
>Mid way through it he starts updating Homestuck again
>It's all about the kids/trolls dealing with their lives after Homestuck and talking about their feelings
Lets be serious, Karkat doesn't have a chance
>Why did I quote so many things?
Its in the comic, they have the same age.
Your amount of replies make me puke in all mediums.
There's also the fact that doomed timelines may be doomed but it doesn't mean they aren't important.
Alpha Timeline relied on a doomed timeline happening just so a doomed timeline version of Dave could be his own sprite and for Rose to 'time travel' her mind into the alpha timeline's which is why she began to fuck shit up.
doomed timelines were also required for Doc Scratch's creation too.
It's fucking stupid
why the fuck do these two keep getting related?
>inb4 telekinesis, time travel
those are only two of these character's traits. their personality (sans vs aradia at any time in homestuck) are really not that close
Karkat addresses it, he basically calls her a spadeslut cause she hate-flirts with everyone constantly but never actually has her heart in it, and pretty much calls her a pathetic mess that he wouldn't prod with a 10 foot bulge.
eridan (who ropes karkat, gamzee, sollux, and feferi in) is her boyfriend, equius (who ropes nepeta in) is her neighbor and friend, kanaya has a crush on her, and terezi/tavros/aradia can't just ostracize her because "hatefriend" is a thing troll society acknowledges, terezi still likes her for some weird reason, and vriska would just keep harassing them even if they did ostracize her
troll society man; sollux is the exact same way
before the game aradia just fell to the whims of destiny and tavros had not an ounce of gut in his spine, and now tavros is dead and aradia isn't with the group
Not at all; Dr. McNinja is in the middle of its final arc and Paranatural is hypest dodgeball around. The trick is you have to read good webcomics and not shit ones that never update like Ava's Demon.
It's "fighting spirit".
Karkat is unrealistic because he's an angry ranting manlet that obsesses over romance pointlessly in a fantasy/scifi setting. Dude can easily make magitek stuff with an alchemiter to compensate his lack of magic powers, but chooses not to and angsts about it instead.
>What the fuck does Blood do?
We'll never know.
I'm guessing the blood is more like "blood ties" or bonds rather than actual blood. A Knight of Blood fights by uniting his teammates to fight alongside him.
Those are all opinions, but..
>Why do the trolls tolerate Vriska?
This is a big question, and sometimes it baffles me as well. Hopefully it will be addressed in the comic, but here are some possible reasons:
-First of all, they're teenagers. They're rather mature, yeah, but definitely not enough to get together and permanently exclude a dangerous element from the group. They can't do it the hard way, because...
-Vriska accumulates a hoard of advantages that make her difficult to engage. In terms of strength, she lucked into being a decently powerful psychic, a god tier, and the owner of artifact majjyks. In terms of psychology, even though she's dumb as a stump, her intimidation tactics involve sheer, irrational brutality that causes permanent harm - who would ever want to confront her alone, and lose an arm to her murder-tantrums, or die, or be forced to kill a friend, or worse?
-Changing her is a hard task. She only decides to hears from a select few, and listens pretty much never.
-Lots of them have trouble actually caring about the harm she's done them or their friends to say anything, and those who do go about it in a violent way, which is terrible for everyone and solves nothing. Vriska is insistent about avoiding responsibility for her actions and letting 'bygones be bygones', and at some point the things she's done are so far behind that it would be seen as strange to bring them up (this is why people who find themselves ready to speak out against their abusers years later end up not doing it.)
-She keeps up face well enough to convince herself and others of her competence, and seems to have that kind of inexplicable, intoxicating aura you'll find around dangerous psycho leader-wannabes, such as criminals, CEOs and dictators.
Holy shit, this got long. Sorry about that. (There's more. Sorry about that, too.)
>Why do the trolls tolerate Vriska? (part 2)
-Her friends are unwilling or unable to dump her. Terezi's relationship with her varies from "friend" to "partner in crime" to "eager victim of her emotional vampirism". Kanaya's crush likely discouraged her from chainsawed Vriska in half, and even after giving up on it, she seems to pretend Vriska isn't here at all. Tavros didn't have the skill or wit to recruit the help to kick her out (then again, what help), or the will to do anything bad to her save for [S] Wake. Aradia was too violent or too detached to make a difference (while Sollux didn't care), Karkat can't lead for shit much less get people to kick Vriska out, and Gamzee is Gamzee. The rest was neither directly involved with her or part of the meteor crew.
-Said meteor crew lacked any direction or motivation whatsoever during the trip. In these situations, people flock to any active leader type like moths to a flame, no matter how shitty, dangerous and ultimately incompetent they are. Not having to think for one's self, and letting somebody else take charge even if they're an asshole little bully, it's very reassuring when you've got nothing to do, nowhere to go, and no reasons for anything.
-Finally, they have yet to learn about her worse deeds such as creating Bec Noir. If they did, their opinion might change.
>Why do the trolls tolerate Karkat?
It's pretty obvious that Karkat's entire personality is 100% bark, 0% bite. His insults are not meant to hurt people and make them feel bad. Even if they were, they don't seem to have any effect whatsoever (has anyone ever expressed a negative opinion about his rude comments, besides 'ugh, Karkat, why do you have to be Karkat right now'?), and otherwise he's a rather sensible pushover who genuinely cares about his friends. It's not much of a mystery.
>Why isn't Aradia leader?
Alive Aradia could have likely made a good leader, but she never got the chance. She wasn't invested in anything when she was dead, besides setting up the game. As a robot, she was much too violent (and arguably busy with time travel) to do anything leader-ish. Now that she's alive again, she's back to not caring much, and right now her priorities seem to be watching stuff burn from afar.
>Why isn't Tavros leader?
Tavros is a tad too adamant about wanting to avoid actual responsibilities and power. Of course, before dying, nobody really took him seriously, but experience proves that just a bit of time far away from Vriska, along with some kind of goal, is all he needs to work his magic. Had he been revived in her place, I'm sure he'd have risen to the challenge and made everything work perfectly, but that would have required multiple good things happening to him with no major drawback, and that doesn't seem to be what his character is about.
That interpretation is trash and wrong anyway. Read Karkat's last monologue. It's not "bonds", it's "fighting spirit".
It's like how a bunch of dumb idiots thought Breath was "freedom", while it's actually "inspiration".
>fighting spirit, according to Karkat
>leading, according to Kanaya
So, what's the point for his endgame?
Is he going to hijack Meenah's ghost army?
Is he going to help a Vriska who finally learns how much of a bitch she is and there is no time for her stupid self-loathing?
Will he use his friendship shonen powers to beat up Lord English?
Will he use his blood powers to suck Dave's dick?
>Is he going to hijack Meenah's ghost army?
>Is he going to help a Vriska who finally learns how much of a bitch she is and there is no time for her stupid self-loathing?
He's most likely going to do something with the former, though the latter could also be possible.
Same reason there's still a Simpsons fandom that watches every new episode. It was GOAT at one time, then it sucked. The only way to cope is the complain about the current quality with others and bash new updates.
Because it's 4chan and the couple of bitter ex-fans who jumped ship after Act 4 or so still like to exclaim how much the comic sucked for them, while most of the ex-fans elsewhere just moved on with their lives.
There were always people complaining about whatever development happens in the comic, it's nothing really new, they're just a bit louder and more open at the moment because of the pause. And hell, even in MSPAF there's still some discussion going on with the criticism instead of just hand-wringing and doom-Pauling like the past couple of threads.
Fraid not. Once a timeline has become Doomed that is simply it, it's inaccessible.
The only source of leaps between any alternate timeline are the Felt. Specifically, three powers associated with death and destruction - Die's Doll, Matchstick's fire powers and Quarter's coins.
It's interesting to think that perhaps unseens Heros of Time might have alternate timeline travel as their powers, but there's nothing in canon.
I think there have stages.
Act 1 was the meandering entrance.
Act 2 was the first ascent.
Act 3 was when the paced really leapt up.
DGBotS was a plateau in quality.
Act 4 resumed growth at a similar rate to 3.
Act 5 Act 1 marked a change in the story. Quality is tricky to measure.
Act 5 Act 2 was a growth but lost steam towards the end (obviously not with regards to Cascade)
Hype was built prior to Act 6
Act 6 was a steady growth for all its run up to Intermission 4.
Act 5 was a sudden plateau, with dips and troughs.
The comic entered its first slight decline leading up to the gigapause.
Post gigapause has been up and down all over the place, shaping out as a descent overall towards the end. Individual value of the comic has probably never been lower, though it's so alien to earlier parts that it's again hard to say.
She's the storyteller. Alt Calliope told stories about events she had no business knowing, but can be presumed to know about because of godtier Muse of Space powers. Even regular Calliope knew of various legends and stories told of the B1s and B2s.
I don't think so, it was after the scene where Enel lies sideways on a couch and talks to his officers. Gan Fall had been introduced, but I don't think Satori had begun challenging the trio in the Trial of Balls. (lol)
Maybe they're more numerous, but still a lot of it is impulsive freaking out and jumping to the worst conclusions. We're still pretty much in the build-up stage, there's still a lot that could happen even within 100 pages or so.
These threads were /trash/-tier for a while now, at least there's some discussion to contribute to recently.
The muse is the most passive class that's possible, presumably her power is to be the ultimate inspirator towards others in the overall story, which is one of the ways Calliope helped Roxy eith creating a new matriorb.
Which is why I said "presumably", since we haven't seen the extent of what powers a muse has yet. We'll most likely see it with alt god-tier Calliope, being the big deal she's shown to be.
This guy >>77559862 isn't me.
It's subtle, hidden, and somewhat different from a Seer's ability. A Seer foretells events, but cannot see the full picture. Like peering into Skaia's oracle clouds or hearing the whispers of the Horrorterrors, a Seer can only see a limited vision of certain events, and what is foreseen influences their opinions and decisions. Same thing with trusting Doc Scratch; he gave them a path to follow with the information he presented, but his actual goals were very different, because only he knew the larger picture.
Contrasting, Calliope's power seems to give her instinctive awareness of all events and shape them into compelling stories to inspire others. Think about the legends spoken about in the Furthest Ring: "The Rings of Life and Void", "The Ultimate Weapon", and "The Path of the Conqueror". The environment in the dream bubbles is constantly shifting, being created from memories of its denizens and visitors, and objects within are only memory fragments. So then how can there be maps and stories that lead to a specific "location" within, unless someone purposefully left them there for others to find?
It seems fairly compelling, especially from Vriska saying that the legends were written extremely well, that Alt Calliope herself has been leaving clues and breadcrumbs in the form of stories to lead other, more active heroes down the paths she set. In this case, she's acting as the all-powerful Skaia giving direction to the heroes.
That's her part of the power, being able to retell all stories, even ones erased by time, like John confronting Typheus in the screwed up doomed B2. She's long dead and very much out of the spotlight, but her influence to defeating Lord English is incredibly extensive.
Yeah, I can only wish to be as elegant with words.
Not familiar with any song of that title, link?
Yeah, you meant "Fortunate Son", I haven't heard it referred to "It Ain't Me" before.
Gomen anon, I've never been able to catch up on whatever high-quality meme /mu/ shits out every month or so.
>People on 4chan keep mentioning Problem Sleuth is better than Homestuck and you should read it
>How long after Homestuck is finished do you think people will start saying [[Hussie's Next Work]] isn't as good as Homestuck and more people should read Homestuck?
Horrorterrors, Jack and co. being optional but dangerous.
The whole point of the Prospit/Derse dichotomy is that one group lays out all the information in front of you but doesn't leave you much room to veer off the path while the other makes you dig for your information but lets you choose the path to dig with.
>But Homestuck's Megalovania is a Vriska song.
Both songs involve
a (main) character callously killing off an ally when the whole trouble leading up to it could have been avoided. Said battle is also, in essence, a completely one-sided curbstomp.
>Aradia, Equius and Nepeta are all action-oriented
>Tavros, Kanaya and Gamzee are stubborn and materialistic
>Terezi, Sollux and Eridan are intelligent and think a lot
>Karkat, Vriska and Feferi are emotional crybabies who get fucked over with feels
>Vriska is a ticking timebomb until she throws the biggest cry ever
>you don't get that tan just from being in a tropical island
You do if you've lived on it all your life and spent most of your time (not asleep) outside.
Ask islanders who are born pale and get reeeeeal dark-skinned over the years of just living on the island.
I really doubt it; hard to tell with all that ego inflating his shitty hair.
One of two ways (or possibly do both) that unfortunately drift into head canon territory
>One of the other trolls is told how to/figures out a way to kerjigger their classpect powers (or a combination of classpect powers) into half assed healing abilities and manages to get her somewhat alive enough to let her WITCH of LIFE powers kickstart her to living again, she then resurrects some of the trolls, only to find she can't fix all of them, cue cheap drama as she feels guilt over it/some of the trolls blame her for failing and minor plot arc about that
Don't like this one, only one that feels like they could fit the bill of figuring out an exploit like that is Vriska, which even if she would help there's the timing issue of it requiring events change on the meteor, also my headcanon about what aspects could be useful for healing in this situation would require either Kanaya and/or Tavros (Or possibly have John and Jade on the meteor) which leads to it's own set of problems
>Other one would be a minor plot arc about how she intends to rule the trolls after the end and have her be just as condescending as Condy just in sort of a white man's burden way and have her learn to respect those she'd be ruling
>Either way her actions affect the meteor crew, either leaving her a more fit ruler for after all the shit is over or a good example of how a ruler should be
you mean hiveswap, and yeah why would it be as good
the whole project is in shambles, people have this weird idea that hussie will put out a great game despite absolutely nothing hinting at that
I've been reading the comic right from the start and I've got enough patience to not make any final judgments until we actually see the ending.
>The true homestuck fan hates homestuck's actual direction
>No TRUE Scotsman...
Really? Well alright, been reading it since the start and still think it's fine but guess I'm not a fan
Oh for sure, hussie uses the fanbase to see where the story should go
When it got flooded with fans it not only made it harder to be as personable with his readers, it also meant he would take cues from people who are just going to lose interest as soon as there's a hiatus (which is what happened)
To understand why /co/ hates homestuck, and the /co/ fandom especially hates it you need to understand it's history with the comic, and to comprehend that you need to know about
The dark and unclean history is not safe for mortal minds. Basically it the general was the worst thing to ever happen to the Homestuck fandom and by far the worst thing to ever come out of it. Even now they're so far gone, that it defys understanding or explanation.
>the whole project is in shambles, people have this weird idea that hussie will put out a great game despite absolutely nothing hinting at that
The biggest doubt on this statement is that we pretty much know nothing about the project anymore or what's going on behind the curtain here. When people are given no information they naturally assume the worst.
>When people are given no information they naturally assume the worst.
That's the weird thing, a lot of people are assuming the game is going fine and the devs just don't want to 'spoil' anything.
it's not as if they kept everyone up to date before then
>A backers-only blog will be going up and weekly updates will tell you about behind-the-scenes work not only with regards to this game project, but also about how we choose, develop, and deliver the merch that you see in our store and in these paks.
Don't they have thirty concept artists, a handful of 3D animators, and like, one programmer? No wonder they're progressing at snail pace.
Geeze, I sure do wonder who exactly they could have taken this habit from...
>Don't they have thirty concept artists, a handful of 3D animators, and like, one programmer?
No, that was a meme spouted by some anon. On the contrary the team grew large enough they had to get a bigger office to fit everyone in.