Citizens of /co/, you have been deceived. Amon is a waterbender!

WOW WHAT A JERK!

>>77486467
No he isn't.

Even if he was, it doesnt invalidate his views.

>>77486467
k

fake n gay hurr

>>77486467
Would have it been possible for people to follow him despite that? His ideology seemed solid enough.

>>77486467

I don't care
I'm just tired of being bullied by assholes with superpowers

>>77486467
Who?

>>77486467
show us your boobs!

>>77486544
>Would have it been possible for people to follow him despite that?
Considering the Equalists all but dissolved into thin air one minute after Amon's make-up ran off, I'd say no.

Equalists are literally SJW's.
>Hurr durr benders are privileged so we need to take their privilege away from them instead of working ourselves up to their level we need to take them away from theirs

>>77486467
At least he's not a lesbian out of no where

>>77486663
We don't know that.

>>77486619
could have been mighty interesting if he actually believed in his ideology and when korra tossed him into the water he actually let himself drown

would have been one mighty shitstorm for her to handle

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Citizens of /co/, not only am I not a waterbender, but if you follow me I promise you I will get you all laid!

>>77486467
At least he isn't a worthless dyke!

>>77486724
Or just, you know, swam to the surface. The guy was from the South fucking Pole, after all.

>>77486650
>instead of working ourselves up to their level we need to take them away from theirs

How the fuck does one go about doing that? That's like saying you should "work yourself up" to the level of the world's strongest men or something equivalent to that - except Benders have all these abilities from birth.

>>77486494
If anything that would make his argument better.

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>>77486777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NofDnJldrE

He's got my vote. Rather have a hypocrite than a bratty faggot nigger anyday.

PLUS WE'RE ALL GONNA GET LAID!

>>77486777
The kind of bending to make that possible would be highly unethical.

>>77486843
>How does one do that
In the Korra timeline technology was putting non benders and benders more and more on the same level. It is why the Nonbenders were winning against the benders.

>>77486777
You've got my sword

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>>77486777
Dem trips don't lie!

>>77486853
Have to respect a bender who admits that bending is corrupt.

>>77486777
Korra can't promise me that, I'm in

>>77486467
so?

>>77486467
She wants us to hate him just because of who he is? What kind of racist hate monger is she?

>>77486777
Well, can't argue with that!

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>>77486971
I mean, she could. I hear she's a slut.

>>77487180
Yeah, but only if you're a girl.

>>77486494
No, it invalidate. He isn't aent by the spirits, só be can't make a real difference, he is just one men, lying and manipulating non benders to stay in power
He needed the argument of being sentido by the spirits to appear to have any authority, or semblence to a long termo plan. Without it he is just a guy abusing his bending.

The dissolution of the equalist is actually spot on, and make sense.

>>77486843
>except Benders have all these abilities from birth.
So you hate us because of how we were born? fuck you

>>77486843
On the old show, a lot of non benders kicked bender ass by being martial artists.

>>77486777
Can't argue with those Septimus trips.
Down with bending!

>>77487659
>He isn't aent by the spirits
Where did Korra say that?

Him being a Waterbender (even a Bloodbender) doesn't explain how he can debend people.

>>77487735
It's your fault for being born as oppressive bending scum.

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>>77486777
I got to side with this guy.

>>77486909
Literally everything non benders could do, benders could. They could never really be equals.

>>77487947
This. Really, equality isn't possible when one sizeable chunk of the population has superpowers with no downsides.

>>77486843
In combat at least, a non can most certainly match up to a bender. Remember, benders are born with the power, not the skill and they all need teaching(even the prodigies: ex Katara). And just like a bender has to learn a non bender has to as well, remember how standard pirates were able to fight on par with Zuko or how Ty Lee was able to buttfuck practicality everyone she fought.

>>77487796
Something something bloodbending.

>>77487987
>>77487947
That is the same stupid logic that started communism.
People aren't born equal. That doesn't mean you have to bring everyone down to your level.

>>77486803
The makeup would've still came off, and he'd be a fraud.

>>77488528
>>77487987
>>77487947
This makes wonder how things would've been different if everyone had bending, or it was just something that you could learn instead being something you were born with.

>>77486777
Can't deny those trips!

Two things confused me about the S1 ending

Even if Amon was a bender why would that instantly end the anti-bending movement? Was he so critical in his power to remove bending that with him gone so too does the entire strive for representation and equality?

What was Amon doing with the people he removed bending from? From the looks and sound of it he was keeping them prisoners afterwards. What's the point in that when they've already been utterly defeated?

>>77487796
By combining bloodbending with chiblocking technique he clots their chi points or something I guess.

Bullshit, he's not swarthy enough to be a waterbender.

>>77488801
>Even if Amon was a bender why would that instantly end the anti-bending movement? Was he so critical in his power to remove bending that with him gone so too does the entire strive for representation and equality?
The way I see it, everyone had the same reaction The Lieutenant did when they found out Amon was a bender. He'd created this supernatural persona and established a huge cult-like following, so when the truth came out everyone became too disillusioned to continue the cause. Plus they lost the only guy who could actually remove people's bending. However, there's nothing preventing someone else from starting a new equality movement later-on.

>What was Amon doing with the people he removed bending from? From the looks and sound of it he was keeping them prisoners afterwards. What's the point in that when they've already been utterly defeated?
He wanted to torture them and make sure they were absolutely not a threat.

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Riddle me this, /co/. In the weeks before the reveal, what was your theory on who or what he was?

>>77489256
I was hoping that his backstory would never be confirmed.

>>77488528
There's a significant difference.

In real life, the vast majority of people are roughly on equal terms with what they're capable of. If a large portion of society were blind or couldn't walk, society would inevitably have a massive power imbalance.

>>77488698
I think a neat alternative ending would be Korra using energybending to create equality by giving everyone bending.

>>77488528
I didn't say anything about what should be done; only that a huge inequality between benders and non-benders is inherent to a society where both exist.

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>>77489256

I thought he was the pawn of Koh the Face-Stealer. Talk about disappointing.

>>77486467
- No, i'm not
- ...

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>>77489664
And when everyone is super...

>>77486650
>>77486843
i thinking taking the power of blowing an entire building from people is important.

>>77486777
this guy seems legit

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Nuh uh!

>>77486467
and you are a bitch, but since you were born as the avatar we are suppose to follow you just like that?

>>77487180
Only for lesbians. Amon doesn't discriminate against straight non benders so I'm down.

SHOW US YOUR BOOBS!

>>77489626
Some people are born rich and some are born poor. Being born rich is far better than being born poor just like how being born a bender gives you an advantage not being one has.

Amon did nothing wrong

>>77488528
>People aren't born equal.

All people are born equal in that they can be shot or stabbed. That they bleed and can die -that is what makes us all equal. If you have power and abuse it, you can that that power and your life taken from you.

But what is the common man to do against a bender? What can a man with knife or a pitchfork to do against one who can throw fire from his hands? Are we to simply stand by and allow the benders to rule over us?

>>77490207
A poor person can become rich in theory. Unlikely, but possible.

A nonbender can't become a bender.

>>77490207
If you give the poor man money, suddenly equality exists.
You can't give the normals super powers.

>>77486650
>calls equalists sjws

>protagonist of the series and fighter of the equalists is literally an sjw.

>>77490227
>>77490234
Just find a lion turtle.

>>77488528
i think the real problem is how much of a threat benders are. It's like having a gun; a very dangerous gun, and giving it to random people.

>>77490315
Korra isn't a SJW at all. If anything, she's the opposite, since she always fights against villains who want equality.

>>77490318
This.

>>77490342

It's the "Mutants are fucking stupid" principle.

They can kill normal people with eye lasers and mind bullets and shit, but can't comprehend why said normal people are afraid of them.

>>77490355

>actually thinking Amon wanted equality.

top fucking kek, did you even watch the show?

>>77490318
But those only reveal themselves to humans when the plot needs to be ruined.

>>77490416
Did you?

Tarloq says it himself that Amon probably believes in the cause.

>>77488801
Benders just wanted status quo back so they could bully non-benders with impunity again.

>>77490318

>"Just find a magical spirit being that like, only one person knows actually exists! Also, there's probably only one of them left and it could be literally anywhere in the ocean and constantly moves. Then -if by some unholy pact with Satan you actually manage to find it in your lifetime- you've got to convince it to even listen to you, let alone give you super powers."

Anon, I don't want to alarm you but I think you might be stupid.

>>77490441
Amon doesn't want equality. He just wants to get rid of bending because of his hatred towards the way he was trained. He doesn't give a fuck about the "equality" aspect of it. He used that as a ploy to get nonbenders to follow him.

>>77490411
>It's the "Mutants are fucking stupid" principle.
It's the "we don't want people blowing shit up" principle. If everyone can live without any danger, why chose to live with danger? The real problem is that before there wasn't a choice. Now there is.

>>77490473
That's quitter talk.

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>Citizens of /co/, you have been deceived!

>I should have been the series main villain!


Seriously, he was fucking perfect for it too

>>77489256
He didn't really need much of a backstory, NOR did he need to be a bender. he was threatening enough by having NO bending/powers and being plain cunning

>>77486777
I'll do whatever you say, Steve Blum.

>>77490482
He genuinely thought bending was evil and that the world would be better off without it.

>>77486467
Prove it you dumb bitch.

>>77486777
>777
>get laid
what a great guy.

>>77490987
You know....he's not wrong. Bending has only brought suffering for everyone. The cause of every single war. It unleashed the spirits, it destroyed the balance, it gave criminals a weapon and tyrants soldiers

He isn't wrong.

>>77490908
I feel ya.

>>77490908
Maybe if equalist designs weren't so fucking awful with their CG Big Daddy Scopedog things and gas masks

And also if most of it wasn't in Republic City because it is hideous

>>77491353
>Maybe if equalist designs weren't so fucking awful with their CG Big Daddy Scopedog things and gas masks

They had great design

>And also if most of it wasn't in Republic City because it is hideous

Meh, it's nothing special

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>>77488528
>implying we shouldn't exterminate all the benders

>>77489829
Not you again. Everybody hates you, kill yourself you patethic mimic of Human being.

>>77490471
Too bad all the equalist rebellion managed to do was get one house nigger non-bender on the government council.

>>77491023
without bending people will just find other reasons for war
and in the meantime, more than enough renewable energy to go around and things can get built in a fraction of the time

>>77486801
Hate yourself much?

>>77489256
I speculated that he was (more or less) telling the truth. That in addition to being a powerful genetically-gifted bloodbender he had seen and experienced first hand the dangerous and life-destroying power of bending and wanted to put an end to it. Wouldn't have been that far off/that bad if they didn't play it as "oh, he just wants power and faked his scars to dupe the city." Granted his brother wasn't the most reliable narrator, but that's still all the perspective into it we got.

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>>77486777
Only the Spirits can gift heavenly trips

>>77491023
Trying to eliminate bending caused War. Also, bending is good for society, that why their world can make such jumps on tecnológica level.

But I know you, you are a delusional cunt that should chop of your arma, because they can be ised to harm others. Nobody liked you anon and your shit ideas, don't even come to this thread.

>>77489626
yeah but obviously blinding everyone would be a terrible solution

>>77491661
>Trying to eliminate bending caused War.
Calling it a "war" is being a little generous. It was confined to a single city and lasted a few days at absolute maximum.

>>77491669
True, but there's not really a lot of options in that situation. You pretty much have to accept that there will always be a superclass.

>>77491717
There are wars that dured minutes fella.

For real.

>>77491414
The glow in their eyes is too distracting and their electro gloves have awful effects

The 30s theme with the city is just awful, it clashes too heavily with the police uniforms and the pro bending crap. I also think Republic City is awful conceptually but that's another thing entirely

>>77491742
Bit non benders are always kicking bender ass. Stop acting like non benders can't fight like equals, when the show showed that they can.You are probably rk9

>>77486467
WATER BENDERS CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS

>>77486494
His views invalidate themselves. Without his charisma, his followers pretty much puffed into nonexistance.

>>77491778
>The glow in their eyes is too distracting
ADD?

>>77491787
With extensive training they can. But any bender can bury non-benders in a landslide casually.

>>77491796
He also said that the spirits gave him authority. Without it, he is just a bender using lyes to have power, and nkt really being able to remove bending from the world. Why equalist should believe that to be saved haing a non bender world, they should be under a bender rule?

>>77491787
With equal training, a bender will stomp a non-bender.

You can't compare the world's best swordsman to someone who can knock down buildings in a single movement.

>>77491787
Why defend benders? You're literally a sub-human too them unless you have some sort of political or monetary power. Then you're just a useful pawn they can strong arm whenever they need shit.

>>77491815
It's a constantly lit neon green on a dark colored uniform. It doesn't look good in motion, the effect would be cool if they lit up in the dark but not if they're always on

>>77491822
Nkt really. We are show that you need training to be a good bender, or you are like Katara on the first episode.

Sokka is a shit warrior, and was able to defeat fire bender soldiers.

Also, the world work by wuxia movie logic, any non bender martial artist does impossible moves for real life

>>77491842
The weird thing is, that part was never contradicted.

We're never told HOW he manages to de-bend people. We're just left to assume he does it with Bloodbending somehow.

>>77491822
With extensive training, they can. A bender without training can't manage much of anything, even Katara could barely splash shit around after trying for years to train for herself.

It's like people on /co/ think that being a bender means you're as good as the Avatar.

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>>77486777
>777
Well that's that, I'm in.

>>77491897
Being a bender does mean you're capable of vastly more than a normal human.

A nonbender can never train themselves strong enough to throw tanks around.

>>77491865
Yes I can. Pya Dão defeated various soldiers on Sozinho commet, also Suki.

Hell, even Jet won over Aang, and equalist over Korra. Zuko almost lost for random pirates.

And a 14 years old Ty Lee, could defeat the elite of the Earth Kingdon, that has much more years and experience.

Stop being a bitch, and admit that non benders are competent.

>>77491897
except that training doesn't seem to be particularly hard. I can't imagine Mako or Bolin had any formal training from anyone. So read a couple self help books and attend a seminar, then practice, and you can turn rock into lava.

korra is so fukcing retarded holy shit

>>77491943
No, but a nonbender can train themselves to utterly wreck 95% of benders on the planet. See: Piandao.

>>77491963
Mako and Bolin received training from Toza, so no. Unless you're the avatar, you need to train a fucking lot.

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>>77491790
bullshit
WATER TRIBE DID 9/11

>>77491866
There isn't a single bending sulremacisy group on the Avatar world. Hell, most of the mkst powerful people were non benders. The only jead of the state that wasn't a non bender was the Fire Lord.

If a non bender can be the most powerful person on the world, your argument is meanless shitpost.

>>77491963
Mako was speciphically trained by the Bolt guy leader of the Triad.

And it's nkt harder or easier than training real liglfe martial a art.

>>77486777
Who do we kill first my leige

>>77492008
Not many people can be heads of state or rich. Working class people who can't hire bodyguards are ripe for bullying.

>>77491943
Throwing tanks didn't helped many benders to get their ass kicked.

Again, see Ty Lee.

Or even the Blue Spirit. You just adapt.

>>77492076
Unless they spend a few years training to beat the shit out of most bending bullies.

>>77492076
So learn how to fight and kick his ass. Or call the authorities.

>>77491988
>No, but a nonbender can train themselves to utterly wreck 95% of benders on the planet.
Even Piandao, the best nonbender on the planet, would get thrashed by pretty much all the main bender characters of the series.

>>77491886
It's funny you should bring up Sokka. At the start of the series, he had slightly more training in combat than Katara did. By the first season's mid-point, Katara outclassed him by so much it wasn't even funny.

>>77489256

Something to do with Koh

>>77492008
>If a non bender can be the most powerful person on the world, your argument is meanless shitpost.
Up until recently the richest man in the world was Mexican. It's still retarded to think that means Mexicans are well-off financially.

>>77492105
>implying everyone who trains becomes Ty Lee level good

>>77492008
Supremacy groups don't usually show up until after their power is threatened. Look at the KKK, something that showed up in response to blacks getting the right to vote and having a say in government.

>>77492123
>someone born with the ability to set you on fire, crush you, or drown you comes in and fucks you up
>hurr durr just drop everything you are doing, including all responsibilities and train for a decade
How is he supposed to do this?
>call the authorities
Actually a good response, but even then authorities aren't perfect and can't defend you when you truly need it.

>>77492125
>Even Piandao, the best nonbender on the planet, would get thrashed by pretty much all the main bender characters of the series.
Prove it, then? Piandao was fighting toe to toe with comet-powered firebenders, and shoulder to shoulder with the other masters. I doubt more than a handful of benders on the planet could defeat him.
I mean, this is the guy who was so badass, the fire nation had to turn a blind eye to his desertion because they got tired of having the soldiers/assassins they sent after him killed.

>By the first season's mid-point, Katara outclassed him by so much it wasn't even funny.
Because Katara spent essentially every single episode training one way or another, whereas Sokka didn't.
And funny you talk about Sokka, they guy who mastered swordbending in literally two days (one to make a sword), well enough to face off against dozens of armed opponents without trouble.

>>77492173
>>implying everyone who trains becomes Ty Lee level good
>Implying every one who bends becomes Avatar good
Vast majority of benders are mooks that could be taken out by any decently competent nonbender.

>>77492125
You say this based on what? Stop being a bitch, even Aang lost to Jet for fucks sake.

Piadao can defeat sozim.powered fire benders, but them you say that he can't defeat normal Katara.

Really, you are stupid.

Also, Sokka never had someone to train him bis father left the village when he was what? 8? Matara trained the entre time, and had a máster. Sokka trained with espacial sword for few days, and got a lot better. Zuko break the shit out of Sokka WITHOUT bending. More than one time.

Sokka was a bad warrior, a better xomparacion is with Jet, Ty Lee or Mai.

>>77486619
>>77486544
Imagine being a part of the KKK and you find out your leader is black

>>77492123
>work 40-50 hours
>have to train to even last five seconds against a bender
>still have to deal with someone who can launch a wall of rocks or shoot fucking lightning at you in a fight
>only people who can help are other benders

What is so hard about admitting being a non-bender is a shit existence?

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I let you rub my boobs for 5 uninterrupted minutes if you renounce Amon

>>77492249
>Bender found time to train
>Your lazy shit ass didn't
>BAWWW, SO UNFAAAIR

>>77492256
Fuck off dyke. It's meaningless if it's from some frigid bitch.

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>>77492256
Sold.

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>>77492288
>Korra
>Frigid

>>77492249
At this point it must be shitposting and bair.

A bender has to train as much as a non bender, because it IS essentialy a fighting style, and non benders can do fighting moves from wuzia movies, that are totally far beyonde realitty.

Hell, of Sokka,,a shit fighter can take benders, why others can't? What's your execuse?

>>77492283
>benders train
>gets to launch a rockslide or turn his hands into flame throwers
>non-bender trains
>maybe you'll be able to dodge it; good luck
>IT'S FINE, NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS. JUST BE MORE LIKE THAT LEGENDARY NON-BENDER PUSSY!

>>77492345
An arrow into the head quickly deal with it

>>77492345
>>benders train
>>gets to launch a rockslide or turn his hands into flame throwers
>>non-bender trains
>Can paralyze you by poking you

Fixed for you.

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Do you think benders being the hypocrites they are would try to ban the right to bear arms once guns were invented?

>>77492345
>14 years old deeating elite of Earth Kingdon


>Random freedom.fighter defeating the Avatar.

>Shit warrior without any training taking down soldiers with flamethrowers on their hands.

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>>77486777
>trips
Sir yes sir!

>>77492392
I wish amon had guns instead of bloodbending. The fight would have been so cool, as opposed to watching him wiggle his fingers and Korra groaning sexily.

>>77486777
>the trips, the way with words

He's got my vote.

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>>77486777
>777
I WILL FOLLOW YOU MY MASTER!

>>77492387
Don't forget of Sokka KILLING a powerful guy by hitting his cranium with one single attack.

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>>77492477
>77
DIO-SAMA

>>77492614
Well, that was a lucky shot more than anything, but the general point stands.

Another interesting thing:
Benders are expected to train their bending.
Nonbenders can choose to train combat or not, but as a result, it's likelier for a nonbender to be studious enough to be really successful (because they wouldn't be wasting time learning to throw rocks). Both in Aang's time and in Korra's, the really really successful people were nonbenders.

>>77492256

Damn, that right there, Korra cosplayers pack it up, can't beat that.

>>77492318
Why does Korra CONSISTENTLY get tortured?

>>77492387
>benders lose their bending
>become depressed as if the just became a quadriplegic or some shit

Even the fucking Avatar was guilty of this, seems like bending is more of a big deal than you let on. After all, they could always just become non-bending badasses right...right?

>>77492720
Real talk: Because Bryke was really stupid in balancing their show. They constantly used Korra to display the power of their villains, and rarely ever allowed her victories, even against simple mooks.

>>77492743
It's almost like losing something that you spent countless hours honing and is a central part of your identity and culture would be kind of shitty to lose.

>>77492672
In real life, a metall boomerang like that on the middle of the forehead would probably make some permanent demage to the brain. A boomerang can be very dangerous with enough force.

>>77492743
Passionate soccer player injures a knee and can't play anymore
>Gosh why is he so depressed he can just become a badass chess player right?

>>77492743
You are a lainter.

You loose your arms.

There are still painters that are great that use their legs without problem.

You get surprised by people getting sad for loosing their arms.

>>77492774
They're still martial artists. They could just learn those cute little poking tricks that made non-benders feel like they actually matter.

But really, you don't think it's saying something that when someone is reduced down to your stature they act like it's hell on earth?

>>77492743
Adding to the other anons, you are acting like bending just existed to fight. Hell, airbender can fly, imagine loosing this, or being able to cure people.

>>77492860
>But really, you don't think it's saying something that when someone is reduced down to your stature they act like it's hell on earth?
No, I don't think it's strange for someone who practiced hard and enjoys one thing to be sad about not being able to do it anymore. I mean, I don't even practice drawing much anymore, but I'd be depressed as shit if I found myself unable to anymore, can't imagine how someone who actually put in the work hours would feel.

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>>77492860
You are a sociopath. But other people already said it ti you on other threads.

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>>77486777
So you're the one who's been depleting the city's population of wizards! Spookbender, freeze! We're taking you downtown, you sick son of a bitch!

>>77492246
It wouldn't make his argument invalid. People can hate a group while still being a part of it.

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>>77486777
>777
Wow, you got my vote!

The entire Equalist movement was kind of retarded from a story standpoint.

The movement is based on benders having a massive power advantage over non-benders, but they're only a threat if they can compete physically with benders.

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>>77486467
bitch I wish you'd bend your mouth shut like you bend the fun out of everything

>>77492256
>hey guys you can touch my boobs
>amon promised we'd get laid

HOW IS THAT A GOOD COUNTER OFFER?

>>77492720
because it makes my wiener feel funny

>>77490908
He really should have been

>>77492246
Imagine being a part of the civil rights movement and finding out MLK is white

>>77486777

FOR AMON!
FOR AMON!

>>77492743
I remember when we thought Tahno would go through a redemption arc, and return as a Samurai/Sokka member of the team later in the season.

>>77492246
Idk but there was a funny Dave Chapelle skit about that.

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>>77491875
>the effect would be cool if they lit up in the dark but not if they're always on
Confirmed for not watching the show. Why are tripfags always awful?

So? Benders are still assholes. If anything, this makes benders even BIGGER assholes.

CITIZENS OF /co/ KORRA HAS DECEIVED YOU! SHE'S GOT A BUTT!

What the hell did he do to make his lip all fucked up?

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>>77494669
I'm not going to remember every little detail from a shit show like Korra. I remember the design being awful and being green and glowy, I googled the designs looking awful green and glowy on the first page of Google images, thus they are awful green and glowy. It's one scene where their goggles are not on and don't light up even in the dark, omelettedetou

>>77489256
Since I'm not an idiot I did NOT believe it had something to do with Koh lmao

>>77495166
Bloodbending it.

>>77486650
Between the Equalists being shown as the bad guys, Suyin's Metalbending Galt's Gulch and Monarchy being shown as preferable to Anarchy, LoK was a pretty right wing show.

>>77492218
Then ofcourse theres the fact that the authorities are alos benders. So you would need benders to fight off the benders.

>>77491594
>without bending people will just find other reasons for war
but they will be far less dangerous to society

>>77491661
>bending is good for society
giving kids the power to destroy their own houses is not a good thing.

>>77492392
there is a big difference between bending and guns, so i'm not sure.

But it is retarded to allow anyone to have guns, like in the United States.

>>77497288
Shh, anon, you're going to startle the staunch, morally superior republicans of /co/ with that attitude!

>>77497361
People have to be told..

>>77486663
He was probably gay with the Lieutenant.

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>>77497269
>but they will be far less dangerous to society

Nah, they will use tanks and guns, or even spirit bombs and lasers. Bending is less dangerous than this, and more useful.

Also, "bending" never caused war. The Fire Nation war was caused by Fire Nation nationalism and imperailism, Chin the conqueror wanted to overthrow the Earth King and rule EK, Kuvira was a facist, Red Lotus were anarchists, the only one who had an agenda on a battle between benders and non benders was Amon and equalists.

>giving kids the power to destroy their own houses is not a good thing.

But as we see of Katar on book 1, a 14 years waterbend can hardly make a simple splash, or freeze a little bit of water on the floor.Katar was also a prodigy.

You also fogot that with bending you can build a mansion on 1 hour for people without homes. Bending is great for society, and the sole reason for why they have such a development.

>>77493886
MLK never said that he had magical problens granted to him for being black, and never said that white should be exterminated and people should follow him as their black leader.

For most of equalists, Amon would only look like a bender removing competition to aquire power, independent of his real motivations. Thats why lietnait went balistic against him.

The whole waterbender thing was fucking stupid, but considering how smart he was meant to be I really couldn't accept him just blatantly showing that he was at the end
It was so stupidly obvious, he practically made a fucking fountain. If there was any risk of drowning just use the water to push yourself to the surface in a fucking subtle way
FUCK

>>77486777
Those trips don't lie. I'm in.

>>77486724
We know he doesn't believe in it though, he'd been bloodbending motherfuckers for episodes before that, besides doing whatever he did to remove people's bending

(did/do they explain exactly how he did that? I've only seen the first season and watch cartoon online's site has the starts of season 2 missing)

>>77487564
I haven't finished the series, but I was around when the whole KorrAsami thing blew up. What the hell changes between the end of season one and the end of the series where Korra decides she likes girls? Or Does Mako just turn every girl he fucks into a lesbian because he's got no crotch chops?

>>77487987
Plus there's a huge problem with bending criminals, thugs who walk up to your shop demanding protection money not with a bat and two big guys, but with a handful of fucking fire. I'd imagine the population at large has no problem with bending construction workers or bending cops

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>>77498416
>Or Does Mako just turn every girl he fucks into a lesbian because he's got no crotch chops?

Basically this.

His dick is cursed, he lost the sexy brown kung fu Jesus and the most rich person of the world, turning both into lesbians.

Being Mako is suffering.

>>77498439
We are show on the older show that you can defeat a bender with a bat and two big guys tho.

>>77497269
Waterbenders provide the best healing and can heal things that even modern medicine can't. Bending is also culturally and philosophically important so removing it would fuck up society in unpredictable ways. Also anyone can learn chiblocking and technological advances allow non-benders to compete on a more balanced field when it comes to fighting.

Besides, it seems like most of the really rich people can't bend. Just look at the Earth Queen and pretty much anyone who runs a corporation.

>>77486650
Nah man, shit is gonna get real fucking ugly as they start to really industrialize. Its working out right now, because their population is still comparable to a feudal society, but when it starts to expand rapidly due to the rising standard of living, theyre gonna have massive employment issues. Why would you ever hire a non-bender to do anything? not even highly specialized and learned tasks like clock-making would be safe, because a metal bender could potentially do that much faster and more efficiently. A single earthbender can do the work of 10 men on a construction crew.
Its gonna get real ugly.

>>77498491
Fuck, remember Azula avoiding everything Team Avatar tossed at her when she couldn't bend? Seriously, nothing is stopping a non-bender from hanging with the best of them. I bet most non-benders don't see a reason to learn how to fight because benders are expected to.

Heck, look at Jet.

>>77498559
>Why would you ever hire a non-bender to do anything?

Because most jobs dont need benders, and to get good at bending, you have to spend time praticing it....WHILE a non bender will be studing.

Thats why most intelectuals were non benders.

> A single earthbender can do the work of 10 men on a construction crew.

And it has always been like that. What makes you think that suddenly people will be losing their jobs, if they always lived on this state?

>>77498559
benders tend to be more intelligent to make up for their lack of bending. All of the great inventions were made by non-benders. Not to mention that it's easier to find and hire 10 strong non-benders than it is to find a half-decent earthbender.

>>77498479
The curse goes deeper than that, for he is also blessed with looks and charm enough to land women like those to begin with.
And then they are forcefully driven away from him.
Being mako is suffering.

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>>77486843
Just because they're born that way doesn't make them not better than you, cupcake.

>>77491778
>The 30's theme is just awful
>A story set in a post industrial Asian-pastiche world in which there is a revolution shouldn't be set in the 30's

>>77498416
Nothing really changes, which is why many here thinks it made no sense and seems like pandering to a small part of the fandom (being those who shipped it allready).

>>77498630
It has worked in a mostly feudal civilisation, but with the rise of industrialisation, and increased population, the pressure of fewer people being able to do more things will start to take effect.
We went through some rough patches with this in our own world, and thats without superhumans running around and making us obsolete.

>>77492105
>Live in republic city
>unskilled manual laborer
>Married, 3 kids and a wife to feed
>Try to get overtime whenever you can
>Come home beat to death every day, just wanting to have dinner and sleep for like 5 hours
>Firebender goons show up and collect protection money from everyone on your shift
>Have to drop your job and stop supporting your family so you can run off to the countryside and find a chi-blocker kung fu master to teach you to move fast enough to dodge lightning and fireballs

Some pretty unrealistic expectations you're asking for

>>77486467
Jeez how do you know that?

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>>77498851
>It has worked in a mostly feudal civilisation, but with the rise of industrialisation, and increased population, the pressure of fewer people being able to do more things will start to take effect.

Why? As I said, thing has always been like that, and benders have to train to be able to do something with their skills, while at the same time nonbenders can study to be able to pratice larger areas of study than just martial arts.

Every single thing that you cited for benders, is just manual larbor.

> making us obsolete.

How they would made them obsolete, if they were always there to begin with, and it never was a competition?

>Have to drop your job and stop supporting your family so you can run off to the countryside and find a chi-blocker kung fu master to teach you to move fast enough to dodge lightning and fireballs

Or just call the authoritties. Or dont even do that, just use a bow and a arrow on the head by surprise.

You are basically putting someone with years of training to use bending, against someone who never trained, and them saying that this is unfair because the guy who never trained should be able to protect himself alone without any resource or skill.

Fucking why? This is stupid.

Even without bending, the firebender would still fight kung fu, because firebending is exactly it, and could still fuck with you and steal your things, like many non-benders did on canon. What will you do next? Ban martial arts?

>>77498851
You are treating benders as somekind of "new technollogy" when in realitty they were always there, and always worked with their nations. They already have their niche, so they arent stealing it from no one.

>>77498172
well, if you haven't had used your talent for probably years, you can get rusty

>>77499032
>You are basically putting someone with years of training to use bending, against someone who never trained, and them saying that this is unfair because the guy who never trained should be able to protect himself alone without any resource or skill.
Not him, but you do realise that if we go by two people with no training a bender will come out on top in fights where he can utilise his bending right? He doesn't need to be good a firebending to produce fire which makes him a better fighter by default. Even being able to freeze water puddles or splash them onto people gives a bender the advantage.

The only way for a non-bender to compete is to spend a lot of time training in martial arts and if the bender also spends a lot of time praticing his bending he is once again going to be superior.

Even if they both trained chi-blocking the bender would have an advantage because of his bending because he can just do more things.

And this isn't even talking about how much better benders are as a workforce for manual labor (or other types of jobs based on bending)

>>77499327
>He doesn't need to be good a firebending to produce fire which makes him a better fighter by default.

Not very much to be honest. Katara could freezy the floor, on a very speciphic situation and thats it. At this level, you being a non bender and throwing a rock at the other guy makes you as capable as a earth bender that has no skill. The same could be said to just pick a bunch of burning coat and throw into the other guy face.

>The only way for a non-bender to compete is to spend a lot of time training in martial arts and if the bender also spends a lot of time praticing his bending he is once again going to be superior.

There are dozens of examples against it, like Sokka taking fire bender soldiers, or Ty lee taking Earth Kingdom elite, Suki defeating sozim powered fire benders or the equalists, giving everyone a hard time. All of them a more experience and time than the people who defeated them.

You still seems to dont get that even the non benders of their world, can fight like suoer beings, because wuxia movie logic.

>Even if they both trained chi-blocking the bender would have an advantage because of his bending because he can just do more things.

If he is a bender AND chi blocker, he has two times more training than the chi blocker, because you need to spend time to learn tai chi, kung fu and other moves that made the bending styles.

>And this isn't even talking about how much better benders are as a workforce for manual labor (or other types of jobs based on bending)

And it is bad because?

These areas were always from them, how could they steal jobs if things are like this for generations? And again, time spent on learning bender, can be used by a non bender to learn more things, and thats why all scholars, inventors and CEOS were show to be non benders. To be a bender you sacrifice other skills to learn martial art, and if you want to compete with other non benders, you have to spend extra time.

>>77499472
>Not very much to be honest.
Depending on the style of bending it can be a huge advantage. And Katara could shatter a iceberg and freeze guards with no training (episode 1 and 2.

>All of them a more experience and time than the people who defeated them.
These are all examples of main characters fighting no-name mooks. How do you think Ty Lee or Sokka would do against Iroh or Ozai? Pretty poorly is the answer.

>If he is a bender AND chi blocker, he has two times more training than the chi blocker
The assumption would be that he didn't spend time training his bending. He would be even in Chi Blocking and a rookie in bending but would still have an advantage over other chi blockers.

>And it is bad because?
Most people can't be CEOs or politicians and if your non-bender family can't earn money you won't be in school getting an education. Especially if the majority of people are non-benders. It's just like the fear currently that we're all going to lose our jobs to robots because they're cheaper or more efficient. If a bender can do what 10 non-benders can, why would anyone hire non-benders?
The difference between then and now is that back in the day everyone had to work together and everyone got rewarded. You lived in a community where everyone had their jobs to do and helped eachother if they needed to.

In modern times factories produce the majority of things people will be using and they only need a certain amount of people for their production. And they won't hire people they don't need.

>>77499592
>epending on the style of bending it can be a huge advantage. And Katara could shatter a iceberg and freeze guards with no training

Katara coulndt control the thing with the iceberg tho. The thing is, having the bending skills on the same level of Katar on first episode 1 or 9 years old Zuko, will not make a real difference on a battle between two equalists that are trained to deal with the police force and pro benders. Katara needed time, and the floor already wet, and turn to the other side, to be able to freeze it.

>These are all examples of main characters fighting no-name mooks.

It doesnt matter, you cant use out of universe justifications to deal with in universe things. Do you think if someone asked Ty Lee why she could defeat dozens of elite soldiers, she would say "Aha, its because I have a name and you dont!"? You have to use in universe reasons, not say "because they are main characters, they can bend reality to their benefit". What we saw in universe, was no benders defeating fire benders that were 100 more powerful than normal.

Hell, I could even use the fact that Jet defeated the protagonist, that is also a master, to counter it.

>How do you think Ty Lee or Sokka would do against Iroh or Ozai? Pretty poorly is the answer.

I dont get it. Why this matter? Ozai is already stabelished as one of the best fighters on the world, and even Iroh thoutgh that he couldnt defeat him. What you seems to be doing is saying "hey, if you cant defeat the strongest man on the world, you are weak".

>The assumption would be that he didn't spend time training his bending. He would be even in Chi Blocking and a rookie in bending but would still have an advantage over other chi blockers.

Still, it is a very little advantage, if you remeber that Zuko couldnt even make a decent fire at age 9, and he trained. Chi blockers fight toe to toe with Lin, why this low level bending would be so much difference?

LoK shoul be about Korra siding with the normal people and accepting bending is the way of the past. Kinda like Rurouni Kenshin or Once Upon a Time in China

>>77499592
>Most people can't be CEOs or politicians

It was just an example of how the most sucefful people are non benders. There are a lot of jobs and other positions between peasant and CEO tho.

> It's just like the fear currently that we're all going to lose our jobs to robots because they're cheaper or more efficient. If a bender can do what 10 non-benders can, why would anyone hire non-benders?

Yes, here is what I was talking earlier. What caused the drop of jobs on the industrial revolution was the introduction of something NEW, but bending isnt new. You are implying that they would steal the job of construction workers that were non benders, while I dont see why they would be using non benders to begin with for the last thousand years. Bending is not new, and construction based on earth or ice would be always on the field of benders, because its way quick and easier. Because of that, I dont see how they could be stealing works, because unlike modern machines on industrial revolution, bending was always there on that niche.

>In modern times factories produce the majority of things people will be using and they only need a certain amount of people for their production. And they won't hire people they don't need.

And still,quality of life these days is better than it was on the past, and the new technollogy created much more jobs and opportunnities than they had on the world pre-industrial revolution.

>>77500376
>Implying that their society would work without bending.

>>77500276
>Katara coulndt control the thing with the iceberg tho.
It doesn't really matter if they can control it or not. The fact is that it's an advantage you can't train to get as a non-bender. All else being equal a bender is superior to a non-bender.

>It doesnt matter, you cant use out of universe justifications to deal with in universe things.
It does matter actually. Exactly because if those elite earthbenders had been named characters Ty lee wouldn't have done as well as she did. If Ty lee or any other non-bender had gone up against any of the White Lotus masters or people like Ozai they would have lost. It even took Sokka and Zuko to fight Azula in the boiling rock. So you have to take into account that main characters generally doesn't lose to mooks because that just how things are.

Also Aang wasn't fighting back against Jet, so that's a pretty bad example.

>I dont get it. Why this matter?
Because those two are master benders. If you want to compare high skilled non-benders with benders you should compare them to high skilled benders. Ty lee is good a chi blocking, but against a strong bender she would most likely lose, that was my point.

>Chi blockers fight toe to toe with Lin, why this low level bending would be so much difference?
Im saying that bending is an advantage that benders have over non-benders. And if both are trained benders tend to have the advantage (outside technology).

>>77500411
>What caused the drop of jobs on the industrial revolution was the introduction of something NEW, but bending isnt new.
The NEW thing here is that the scale of production and the need for workers would change. The great change between ATLA and LoK is the production moving from small towns and villages to an industrialised era. The production of things would be moved to a much larger scale and become centralized aswell. Those who owns the means of production (benders primarily) wouldn't need non-benders because they're slower.

>And still,quality of life these days is better than it was on the past,
Jobs are genrally based on demand, and Benders would always take priority for anyone looking to hire if their bending could be usefull somehow. And bending is pretty versatile.

>>77500440
>It doesn't really matter if they can control it or not.

If you can use it on a useful way, it count. If you cant control it on a fight, or to work, which advantage you get?

>It does matter actually. Exactly because if those elite earthbenders had been named characters Ty lee wouldn't have done as well as she did. If Ty lee or any other non-bender had gone up against any of the White Lotus masters or people like Ozai they would have lost. It even took Sokka and Zuko to fight Azula in the boiling rock. So you have to take into account that main characters generally doesn't lose to mooks because that just how things are.

But you cant use "they are main characters" as the reason for their victories champs. If you are discussing in universe events, you HAVE to use in universe logic. You are basically saying that to your theory to work, you just have to ignore a good chunk of the reality presented inside the show. This is the worst move possible.

>Also Aang wasn't fighting back against Jet

Yes, he was, you should whatch it again.

>Ty lee is good a chi blocking, but against a strong bender she would most likely lose, that was my point.

Ty lee fought the elite of the earth kingsdom that guarded Ba Sing Se. Suki fought sozim comet fire benders, the only argument that you have for them to not be considered powerful is "they dont have a name, and because of that they are easy and weak to be defeated by weak non benders". Considering that she also defeated Katara and Sokka almost alone, your argument doenst seem to hold up.

>>77500519
>The NEW thing here is that the scale of production and the need for workers would change.

At the same time, nothing imply that suddenly non benders would be complaining about a job that never was their to begin with.

>Those who owns the means of production (benders primarily)

But all the CEOS, inventors and a good part of the leaders of countries are non benders. How they own the means of production?

>wouldn't need non-benders because they're slower.

They were already on the older system. You are basically saying that EK used non benders to build fortress, when they had benders to be used and were extremelly common, just "because".

>Jobs are genrally based on demand, and Benders would always take priority for anyone looking to hire if their bending could be usefull somehow.

And the market would be satured with benders, because they are very common. But what we saw is that benders took jobs that were already their niche on old regimes, or were impossible for non-benders to be able to do, like generating lighting.

>>77489256
I assumed he was some dude who figured out energy bending the hard way or through written philosophical treatise or something. Not like what it wound up being was much different. How the fuck does bending water take away bending? I just mentally justify it to myself as his altering their internal chi flows through understanding of blood bending and the movement of energy that all benders have to understand. Only way to make it make any sense to me

>>77500593
>If you can use it on a useful way, it count.
And it always is, just look at katara. She got great use out of it, and she had no formal training of any kind.

>This is the worst move possible.
I'm just pointing out something that should be clear to anyone. The only reason those non-benders are even comparable to the named benders in the show is that they had mooks to fight. Whenever they fought other main characters they had to have other advantages to even be a threat.

>Yes, he was, you should whatch it again.
I have, he was mostly running away and trying to avoid fighting. In both their fights actually.

>Considering that she also defeated Katara and Sokka almost alone, your argument doenst seem to hold up.
She fought them sleep deprived or before they knew chi blocking was a thing. So if we're to compare non-benders skill-wise we should compare them to other named characters, because mooks are always designed to lose.

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>>77486777
>get laid
>lose wizard powers
it was his plan the whole time

>>77500677
>I just mentally justify it to myself as his altering their internal chi flows through understanding of blood bending and the movement of energy that all benders have to understand. Only way to make it make any sense to me

It was it.

>>77486467
Who the fuck are you?

>>77492720
Because it's hot.

>>77486777
Them trips make you my nigga. I'll follow you anywhere senpai

>>77500656
>At the same time
It wouldn't have been exclusive to benders before. The difference is that when you have to compete for the jobs, a bender is always more valuable than you.

>But all the CEOS, inventors and a good part of the leaders of countries are non benders. How they own the means of production?
Benders are the means of production. So the rich hires the benders to work for them. Then they out perform the other companies because they have benders and the others don't. Then those other companies either shut down or hire their own benders.

>You are basically saying that EK used non benders to build fortress, when they had benders to be used and were extremelly common, just "because".
The difference was that there wasn't a huge open market where companies competed for the jobs. If the EK needed a castle build, they would round up all the workforce they could get (bendeers and non-benders) and build the thing. In mordern times they would hire someone to build it, and the best company would be the one with benders,

>And the market would be satured with benders
The only jobs that can't utilize bending in any way are safe for non-benders to apply for.

>>77500701
>And it always is, just look at katara. She got great use out of it

No her hability to break an iceberg while not being able to control it didnt helped. If oyu cant control it, and cant choose when use it, how this would be an advantage?

He was able to help WHEN she had training.

>I'm just pointing out something that should be clear to anyone.

That dont explain anything in universe, so its irrelevant.

Its like saying that Aang won just because he was the main character, and not because he had the means to won against Ozai. If you start to use this logic, any discussion regarding the show becomes irrelevant, because every thing happens just to advance the plot.

> he was mostly running away and trying to avoid fighting

Nope, just in the beggining, after this he fought him, even creating a vortex. Stop being a fag, and admit that your shota love lost.

>She fought them sleep deprived or before they knew chi blocking was a thing.

I am talking about their first appereance, so no sleep deprivation. Also, they knowing the complete fighting style of the adversary is also irrelevant, its like saying that it would be unfait to Ty lee to lost because she never fought a water bender.

>because mooks are always designed to lose.

It dont change their status and power level on canon.

>>77500800
>It wouldn't have been exclusive to benders before.

Why?

>The difference is that when you have to compete for the jobs, a bender is always more valuable than you.

Are you saying that to build a fortress, pre-Korra, the Earth Kingdom would use non-benders instead of benders? Why?

Are you saying that to build a enormous ice palace, water tribe used non benders and not benders? Face it, areas mostly dominated by benders, continued still to be mostly dominated by benders.

>Benders are the means of production.

Variable depending of the job.

>Then they out perform the other companies because they have benders and the others don't.

Why the other companies would use non-benders to begin with? What made them think that you should have a entire company build around non benders, when a third of the population is earth bender?

>The difference was that there wasn't a huge open market where companies competed for the jobs.

And?

> If the EK needed a castle build, they would round up all the workforce they could get (bendeers and non-benders) and build the thing. In mordern times they would hire someone to build it, and the best company would be the one with benders

You are basically saying that Earth Kingdom used the most inneficient way to build a fortress, for no reason at all. I ask again: why?

>>77498377
>We know he doesn't believe in it though
No? In fact, Tarloq (who knows Amon better than anybody) says he thinks Amon does genuinely believe it.

And no, they don't explain how he removed people's bending.

>>77500800
Non benders would only be used on construction as a last resort, when you dont have an earth bender. Obviously, an architect could be a non bender tho, probably a non bender because they have to spend time working on it instead of learning martial arts.

I really dont see how this can be a competition between benders and non benders, when non benders were never a viable considered option to begin with.

>>77500839
>No her hability to break an iceberg while not being able to control it didnt helped.
I was obviously talking about the time when she froze the soldiers trying to stop them from escaping the ship in episode 2.

>That dont explain anything in universe, so its irrelevant.
If Ty Lee can handle Elite earthbenders, she should be able to deal with Katara, Toph and Aang. She is not able to deal with those 3 characters. The reason for this is that the Elite earthbenders are mooks meant to make her look more powerful, the main characters are not.
If we ignore named characters i think it's worth pointing out that there are seemingly no Elite chi blockers at all, which would imply that chi blocking isn't that great. There are some elite non-benders who use technology (bows, bombs etc.) to overcome the difference in ability that Bending brings. Also Benders can learn all these non-bender abilities and would still have bending which makes them better by default.

>Nope, just in the beggining, after this he fought him, even creating a vortex.
He knocked him back at one time and then continued to avoid fighting. Stop trying to prove your point with false information.

>I am talking about their first appereance, so no sleep deprivation.
Well the first time she didn't win. She had the advantage of suprise and came out even. Thats doesn't sound very promising.

>It dont change their status and power level on canon.
It does though. They might have a high title and are supposedly strong, but since they're mooks they can't win, defeating them is rather pointless. If you want to prove that Non-benders are equal to benders you should compare them to characters of equal status. Mooks vs mooks, named vs named.

>>77500839
>I am talking about their first appereance, so no sleep deprivation.
They're first appearance WAS when the group was sleep-deprived.

Amon was the only good villain in this entire show.

>Cold
>Calculating
>Threatening
>Korra seems genuinely frightened
>Composed

And then they threw him out

>>77500925
>Why?
There wasn't the same type of competition. If you need a house built in the village people come together and build the house. Why would you refuse help if you can use it?

>Are you saying that to build a fortress
Because you use all the help you can get. Pre-korra you don't pay a company to build you fortress so you round up people and build the fortress. Obviously in Korra's time a company would hire non-benders if they ran out of benders. But benders always take priority.

>Variable depending of the job.
If the job can utilize bending it would be a means of production.

>Why the other companies would use non-benders to begin with?
They wouldn't obviously. Which means that benders are taking up all the jobs. Are you suddenly agreeing with me?

>And?
You use all the help you can get...

>You are basically saying that Earth Kingdom used the most inneficient way to build a fortress, for no reason at all. I ask again: why?
There were no bending companies, there were no big time companies at all. If you want to build something you would use All the benders you could get. Then you would also use all the non-benders you could get.
Does that mean that non-benders are equal to benders? No, benders are still better. Does it mean that there isn't a problem, yes. Because they are not competing for the jobs as there is plenty to do for everyone.

>>77501056
It says something that he was only good when we didn't know anything about him.

>>77500983
>I was obviously talking about the time when she froze the soldiers trying to stop them from escaping the ship in episode 2.

You mixed the two, and I already adressed the two points when I said that an equalist that can deal with the police force, would not have a problem with a very speciphic and bad move of water bending.

>If Ty Lee can handle Elite earthbenders, she should be able to deal with Katara, Toph and Aang.

The answer is? They are stronger than the elite guard. This is simple and obvious, we are actually show them defeating the entire palace guard.

>If we ignore named characters i think it's worth pointing out that there are seemingly no Elite chi blockers at all, which would imply that chi blocking isn't that great.

This argument dont make any sense.

>Also Benders can learn all these non-bender abilities

And would need more time and effort to master two forms of fighting style. You would be giving them advantage :^)

>He knocked him back at one time and then continued to avoid fighting.

I will talk again, whatch the fight instead of justing use your memmory. Do you want me to post here? You seem to confuse the airbending fighting style, with trying to run from combat.

>Well the first time she didn't win.

She incapacitated Katara, and she was saved by Sokka.

>It does though. They might have a high title and are supposedly strong, but since they're mooks they can't win, defeating them is rather pointless.

If defeating mooks shows that you are strong, how can you say that its pointless? If you imply that defeating them make you look strong you HAVE to stabelish that these mooks are strong. You are basically saying that using random hobos on the street and the elite guard is the same thing because both are mooks.

>>77500982
I think i agree. But it's just that before the industrialised period you wouldn't have access to that many benders that it would be a problem.
I would imagine that most benders would end up some kind of military job, leaving plenty of work for non-benders. When the government change people can work however they want and Benders would be a better workforce than non-benders.

Unless you're lucky enough to be a non-bender with money to get an education.

>>77500983
>If you want to prove that Non-benders are equal to benders you should compare them to characters of equal status.

So, it doesnt matter that if a speciphic 14 years old non bender is better than 99% of the benders of the world, because they are "not named", and because of that non benders will never be strong as benders. Do you see how this is stupid?

>They're first appearance WAS when the group was sleep-deprived.

Wasnt on Omashu?

>>77501130
>So, it doesnt matter that if a speciphic 14 years old non bender is better than 99% of the benders of the world, because they are "not named", and because of that non benders will never be strong as benders. Do you see how this is stupid?
Look at Toph. At 12 years old, with no formal training, she could defeat literally any non-bender on the planet.

>>77501150
Being blind helped

>>77501115
>You mixed the two
How? And didn't the equalists need shock gloves to deal with the police because of their armour? Or they needed to outnumber Lin to even stand a chance?

>The answer is? They are stronger than the elite guard.
Doesn't really answer why Ty Lee can't handle named Benders. Also the Palace guards are also mooks so obviously they suck at fighting.

>This argument dont make any sense.
If we go by the in universe power, Chi Blockers are so bad that they don't exist.

>And would need more time and effort to master two forms of fighting style.
He doesn't have to train bending at all. He can still learn Chi blocking. A non-bender can't learn bending.

>I will talk again, whatch the fight instead of justing use your memmory.
You should watch it again. Aang is specificly trying not to harm Jet. He is trying to escape him and stop Jets gang from blowing up the dam.

>She incapacitated Katara, and she was saved by Sokka.
You might be right. Still doesn't matter much though since Katara was fighting two people (Mai and Ty Lee), one of whom is using ranged weapons and the other has the advatage of suprise.

>You are basically saying that using random hobos on the street and the elite guard is the same thing because both are mooks
Essentially they are.

>>77501130
>So, it doesnt matter that if a speciphic 14 years old non bender is better than 99% of the benders of the world, because they are "not named", and because of that non benders will never be strong as benders
Pretty much yeah. Again compare them to other characters of the same status to get a more accurate picture. Either compare Mooks to other mooks like normal firebender soldiers compared to non-bender soldiers. Or compare named characters to other named characters like Ty Lee to Katara.

>>77501082
>There wasn't the same type of competition. If you need a house built in the village people come together and build the house.

Why would you require that everyone should be doing it, when you know that one or two person could do it?

>Because you use all the help you can get.

But people make it because it is more efficient than the alternatives.

>Pre-korra you don't pay a company to build you fortress so you round up people and build the fortress.

You still spent your resources to pay and fed the workers. Why would you spend more than you need? Having the fortress be build more quicly isnt better than spend needleess resources?

What makes you think that benders wouldnt be the priority, even considering that they can make the same work as a lot of non-benders?


>You use all the help you can get...

Why if it isnt needed? Isnt it spending unecessary resources?

> Then you would also use all the non-benders you could get.

Them ask yourself: What these non benders did that was NEEDED to call them to work? What they did that non benders counldnt? If the answer is "nothing", so why call them? If there is any advantage to continue using non benders along ith benders, this wouldnt change. Your entire argument seems to be based on the fact that you dont have enough benders, so you use reserves.

>>77501262
>Them ask yourself: What these non benders did that was NEEDED to call them to work? What they did that non benders counldnt? If the answer is "nothing", so why call them? If there is any advantage to continue using non benders along ith benders, this wouldnt change. Your entire argument seems to be based on the fact that you dont have enough benders, so you use reserves.
I think social issues only arise when benders of different elements start mingling.
Waterbenders are good at sailing or pumping water, but how many jobs don't require this.
Earthbenders are good at brickwork and so but how many jobs don't need this.
Firebenders are good at heating stuff, but there's many things that don't need heating.

Now they all in one place and usurped all jobs but white collar jobs.

>>77501121
>But it's just that before the industrialised period you wouldn't have access to that many benders that it would be a problem.

Why wouldnt you? They seemed to be at least a third of the population.

>>77501150
>Look at Toph. At 12 years old, with no formal training,

The only reason for she being so strong, is the fact that she was "trained" by the original earth benders.

>Pretty much yeah.

So you admit that a non bender can be stronger than 89% of the world? And that non benders kicking benders ass was pretty common on the show?

>>77494669
disappointingly nonsexual.

>>77486777
Well I'm already getting laid but Korra is a dykenigger and you did get heaven trips...

DOWN WITH BENDING!

>>77501262
>Why would you require that everyone should be doing it, when you know that one or two person could do it?
More people work faster. So first you get all the benders you can get, then fill in with non-benders afterwards.

>You still spent your resources to pay and fed the workers.
They're peasants. You just pay them the same they would make doing other things for building your fortress. And as i did say, Benders also takes priority here they always did, but most likely they weren't peasants so you can't order them around in the same way.

>Why if it isnt needed? Isnt it spending unecessary resources?
Then you don't get them and they go do what they usually do, like build furniture or repair shit, farm etc.

> If the answer is "nothing", so why call them?
It's free work. You have them around and pay them normally. Today you just need them to assist your benders.

>Your entire argument seems to be based on the fact that you dont have enough benders, so you use reserves.
You finally get it.

>>77501311
>Why wouldnt you? They seemed to be at least a third of the population.
They seemed to be occupied with either being soldiers or not being in the peasant caste. They rarely seemed like an available workforce that a lord could just use as he wished unlike non-benders.

>So you admit that a non bender can be stronger than 89% of the world?
I admit that a named character is able to do things that mooks cannot. However non-benders rarely kicked anyones ass in the show if they were mooks. So by making a fair comparison non-benders seem pretty weak.

>>77501211
>How?

Forget it, its not actually important. You cited these two points together on a previous post.

> And didn't the equalists need shock gloves to deal with the police because of their armour?

Well, if you are giving them armor, why they shouldnt have acess to weapons too?

>Doesn't really answer why Ty Lee can't handle named Benders.

But she handled them, or at least was an almost equal enemy.

> Also the Palace guards are also mooks so obviously they suck at fighting.

Palace guards are the best that you can use to protect the king, so obviously, they are among some of the best trained warrior on the country. Thats why they losting matter, thats why this makes the main characters look powerful.

>If we go by the in universe power, Chi Blockers are so bad that they don't exist.

Again, it makes even less sense now, because they exist, and proved to be a hell out of a challenge.

>He doesn't have to train bending at all.
So it will be almost useless on a fight.

>You might be right. Still doesn't matter much though since Katara was fighting two people (Mai and Ty Lee), one of whom is using ranged weapons and the other has the advatage of suprise.

You forgot that they only scaped because Sokka called Appa. Until there, they were dominating the fight.

>Essentially they are.

This is wrong. If the entire show was Aang defeating hobo, he wouldnt look like a good fighter. For the worth effect to work, you need to have powerful enemies.

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>>77486777
AMON 2016
MAKE ANIME REAL

>>77501397
>Well, if you are giving them armor, why they shouldnt have acess to weapons too?
It shows that to even compete with benders they need equipment and numbers. So it goes to show that non-benders are not equal to benders in a fight.

>But she handled them, or at least was an almost equal enemy.
Which Benders was she a near equal to? Almost winning a fight in which you have the advantage isn't really being near equal (numbers and suprise).

>Palace guards are the best that you can use to protect the king, so obviously, they are among some of the best trained warrior on the country.
They're only strong in name. The fact that they're mooks means that you can't really gauge their strength. They will always lose to a named characters unless the plot demands otherwise.

> and proved to be a hell out of a challenge.
When? If you're talking about equalists they needed heavy amounts of technology to compete with benders.

>So it will be almost useless on a fight.
It's still an advatage, and depending on the element can be the winning factor.

>You forgot that they only scaped because Sokka called Appa. Until there, they were dominating the fight.
Yeah 2 on 1. If benders are twice as good as non-benders i would say non-benders are at a disadvantage.

>For the worth effect to work, you need to have powerful enemies.
They use words like "Elite" to describe them, which is a word you normally associate with someone good at something, but since they're mooks you can't compare them to Aang because he will win everytime, unless the plot demands something else. So again, compare mooks to other mooks, and since all non-bender mooks are bad fighters and will lose to benders 90% of the time, it seems like benders are stronger.

>>77501382
>More people work faster. So first you get all the benders you can get, then fill in with non-benders afterwards.

So hoow thi steal non-bender work, if it was:

- mandatory.
- they were chosen just becasue they didnt have more proper workers.

>They're peasants. You just pay them the same they would make doing other things for building your fortress.

Nah, it is more complex than that. Do you know how different cultures dealed with this kind of work on the past? Chinese and Egyptian has different methods for example.

> Benders also takes priority here they always did, but most likely they weren't peasants so you can't order them around in the same way.

We saw a lot of peasant benders, most of them to say the truth.

This question >Why if it isnt needed? Isnt it spending unecessary resources?

Was rhetoric.

>You finally get it.

So, you are saying that benders are "stealing a job" that wasnt a job to begin with, but mandatory service by the govern, that only selected them and removed them from their actual jobs because of lack of manpower?

>They seemed to be occupied with either being soldiers or not being in the peasant caste.

Not really, every episode on book 1 and 2 seems to have an earth bender that dont work for the army, or thhe governament, there is no class division by bending too, because we see them on every level of society.

>I admit that a named character is able to do things that mooks cannot.

So, for what we are showed most of trained non benders fought equal to trained benders.

>However non-benders rarely kicked anyones ass in the show if they were mooks.

And when bender mooks kicked anyone?

>>77500963
No yeah I agree he absolutely believes in the doctrine of equality by making benders into normies (the fact that he never kills a bender, just takes their bending is a huge moral high ground thing for him), I was just pointing out that he does bend occasionally, despite for the most part adhering to just being a regular guy.

>>77501515
>So hoow thi steal non-bender work, if it was:
Because it isn't mandatory anymore. If you have 10 jobs available in LoK why wouldn't you hire a bender if possible?

>Do you know how different cultures dealed with this kind of work on the past?
I would assume so, but the egyptians used slave labour a lot.

>We saw a lot of peasant benders, most of them to say the truth.
Againt though, the thing is that people aren't competing for the jobs in a feudal society to the same extent as they are in a modern one like LoKs.

>So, you are saying that benders are "stealing a job" that wasnt a job to begin with, but mandatory service by the govern,
The jobs aren't mandatory anymore. They're regulated by the market in LoK. So the amount of jobs will always be filled by bender > non-benders.

>Not really, every episode on book 1 and 2
I can't even remember that many Benders who weren't army. Wasn't it just Haru, and that one guy in Zuko Alone?

>So, for what we are showed most of trained non benders fought equal to trained benders.
No because the most trained non-benders (Ty Lee, Piandao, Mai) are not that strong compared to benders (Bumi, Iroh, Katara, Ozai etc.)

>And when bender mooks kicked anyone?
The Dai Li did pretty well against most people. But it just stresses the point that you can't compare mooks to named characters.

>>77501510
>It shows that to even compete with benders they need equipment and numbers.

So, you are saying that benders can have acess to their elements and armor, but non benders should fight without nothing?

>Which Benders was she a near equal to? Almost winning a fight in which you have the advantage isn't really being near equal

Yes, almost winning a fight is being almost equal. Its the basic definition.

>They're only strong in name.

Ok, you disregard and ignore everything on canon so it can fit on your narrtative. If canon says that they are strong they are. If they lost, its not because they are weak, but becasue the named characters are the 1% of the orld that is stronger.

>When? If you're talking about equalists they needed heavy amounts of technology to compete with benders

Most of them used only rope and bandolier. Nothing particullary advanced, they only started using more advanced technollogy after half of the season.

>It's still an advatage
Less of an advantage than having a bigger reach, even more if its a fight with quick movements on close combat, like the equalist style.

>Yeah 2 on 1.
3 on 2, and one of these 3 is a giant flying bison.

>They use words like "Elite" to describe them, which is a word you normally associate with someone good at something, but since they're mooks you can't compare them to Aang because he will win everytime

Because he is superior to them, not because they are weak. This is the entire point of worth effect.

>>77501084
I thought he was even better when I learned about his backstory, he knew firsthand how horrifically the best benders could abuse their power and he wanted nothing to do with it. He made it his cause to prevent that kind of shit from happening. I know nobody likes these "bad guy has a point" posts, but Amon really did read like an extremist whose cause was genuinely sympathetic. He was absolutely great because we can see that from a normal person's viewpoint, bending really is kind of terrifying.

>Amon is a waterbender!

No he isn't, he's a giant octopus thing from another universe.

>>77500432
There could be a subplot of the technological advance making bending obsolete. Hell, Asami could be actually relevant if she developed that technology

>>77501609
>So, you are saying that benders can have acess to their elements
Well yes, since they're benders you can't really take that away from them.

> Its the basic definition.
Needing 2 non-benders per bender is being near equal?

>Ok, you disregard and ignore everything on canon so it can fit on your narrtative.
I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying you can't really use that information because you're comparing someone who is designed to lose, to someone who is designed to win. If you watch a rigged boxing match you can't really make a judgement on the boxers abilities.

>Most of them used only rope and bandolier.
And benders beat them most of the time in straight up fights until they got that extra equipment.

>Less of an advantage than having a bigger reach, even more if its a fight with quick movements on close combat, like the equalist style.
Yeah but a chi blocker vs a chi blocker with bending. The cho blocker with bending still has the advantage.

>3 on 2, and one of these 3 is a giant flying bison.
You just said that Sokka and Appa were getting ready to escape. So it's Mai and Ty Lee against Katara.

>Because he is superior to them, not because they are weak. This is the entire point of worth effect.
It's to induce the Worth effect. It doesn't mean anything to how strong he is being depicted as.

Try to compare them with actual non-bender mooks. The only ones of worth i can remember are Yuyan Archers. Which implies that for non-benders to compete with benders they need a technological advantage to go along with their training.

>>77501607
>Because it isn't mandatory anymore.

And why would it be a problem if it wasnt even a real job, just a mandatory service form the govern? Their real job was elsewhere.

>I would assume so, but the egyptians used slave labour a lot.

Uhhh, not to this kind of construction, they were payed, feed and treated, mostly done by free man.

>Againt though, the thing is that people aren't competing for the jobs in a feudal society to the same extent as they are in a modern one like LoKs.

You are not saying why someone would build a company with non bender builders to begin with, and why this would remove non bender jobs....when they didnt even had it to begin with.

>So the amount of jobs will always be filled by bender > non-benders.

Yeah, but according with what you said earlier, it already were like this.

>Wasn't it just Haru, and that one guy in Zuko Alone?

No, there are so much character to name tho, there is a lot of earth benders peasants on Haru village, on the vident village, thta guy on the rift, kids on the poverty area on Ba sing Se, and much more.

>No because the most trained non-benders (Ty Lee, Piandao, Mai) are not that strong compared to benders

Except they are.
Hell, if you admit that non benders can fight better than 89% of the world, you already admited that my syde of the discussion is right.

>The Dai Li did pretty well against most people.
Which fight they won? They are as good as equalists to be honest.

>>77491893

I always assumed it had to do with fucking with the Chi pathways in the brain or some shit.

It makes sense on some level.

>>77501712
>Their real job was elsewhere
Because the government doesn't handle jobs anymore, the market does. And when the market doesn't hire non-benders they would have no jobs. So Benders steal all the jobs because they have bending.

>You are not saying why someone would build a company with non bender builders to begin with, and why this would remove non bender jobs....when they didnt even had it to begin with.
They used to have jobs that pay for their needs. Now they can't fill those jobs anymore because Benders are better workers than they were.

>Yeah, but according with what you said earlier, it already were like this.
There wasn't the same kind of job structure. That were no organised groups of working benders as there would be in LoK time.

>No, there are so much character to name tho, there is a lot of earth benders peasants on Haru village, on the vident village, thta guy on the rift, kids on the poverty area on Ba sing Se, and much more.
I guess there were some in Haru's village (allthough i'm pretty sure that alot of those earth benders were from a much larger area than that one village). I don't remember any earthbenders in slums of Ba Sing Se though, and in the rift they were starting up a factory.

>Hell, if you admit that non benders can fight better than 89% of the world, you already admited that my syde of the discussion is right.
But i didn't admit that. I actually said the exact opposite and explained to you why you can't make that comparison.
If you compare Ty Lee to any of the named Benders she would most likely lose in a 1 on 1.

>Which fight they won? They are as good as equalists to be honest.
Which is a problem, because Equalists use a lot of equipment and ambushes to compete with benders.
The Dai Li fought pretty well against the Gaang while working for Azula.

>>77501707
>Well yes, since they're benders you can't really take that away from them.

But you would be basically giving weapons for a side, and not to the other. If a bender can have acess to armor and material to bend, a non bender fighter should be allowed to have weapons to fight too.

>Needing 2 non-benders per bender is being near equal?
It was a bender, a non-bender, and a bison, against two non benders.

>I'm not ignoring it.
What you are doing is exactly it.

> I'm just saying you can't really use that information because you're comparing someone who is designed to lose, to someone who is designed to win. If you watch a rigged boxing match you can't really make a judgement on the boxers abilities.

Ozai was designated to lost to Aang, according to you the same logic should aply, and defeating him is no better than defeating a random hobo.

>And benders beat them most of the time in straight up fights
Not really, but how hard is to defeat them is an important factor, Every victory was hard, this shows that most equalists were way better than the random trhee named benders from the Triad that Korra defeated on the first episode.

>The cho blocker with bending still has the advantage.
That is almost irrelevant.

>You just said that Sokka and Appa were getting ready to escape.
Uh? No. I will post the fight later them.

>It's to induce the Worth effect. It doesn't mean anything to how strong he is being depicted as.

Wrong, the entire point of the worth effect is to show how powerful your character is, by defeating allegedly powerful anemies.

>Try to compare them with actual non-bender mooks.
Yuyan Archers are the only mooks to acomplish their mission, they have a better track record than the Dai Li.

>>77501382
>More people work faster.
Which is why companies hire every person they can find when they need a job done, and not the fewest they have to pay to get the job done.

>>77501860
>But you would be basically giving weapons for a side, and not to the other
And that is where the inequality lies. A Bender has an advantage over non-bender because he is a bender. Obviously non-benders can get even via equipment and technology, but that doesn't change that fact that benders are just superior because hey can bend.

>It was a bender, a non-bender, and a bison, against two non benders.
Pretty sure Sokka and Appa didn't fight.

>What you are doing is exactly it.
No i'm pointing out that you can't just use what the narrative points out, because there are out of fiction reason that the comparison doesn't work.

>Ozai was designated to lost to Aang, according to you the same logic should aply, and defeating him is no better than defeating a random hobo.
At base reduction yes. But atleast they're both named, so that gives them equal status within the fiction. Then ofcourse Ozia doesn't rely entirely on his title to seem like a strong fighter as he beats Aang in round one.

>ot really, but how hard is to defeat them is an important factor, Every victory was hard, this shows that most equalists were way better than the random trhee named benders from the Triad that Korra defeated on the first episode.
Usually the Equalists make use of heavy amounts of technology and numbers to get even with benders. That obviously makes it harder to fight them, but also shows that 1 equalist isn't equal to 1 bender. Which implies that non-benders can't just train really hard and be equal to benders.

>allegedly powerful anemies.
Allegedly being the key word here. Because they are called elite, you assume they are strong. That is why when the main character beats them it looks impressive and they are assumed to be stronger.

>Yuyan Archers are the only mooks to acomplish their mission, they have a better track record than the Dai Li.
I guess? Aang wasn't really fighting back here either as he was gathering frogs and got captured in a net i think.

>>77501852
>Because the government doesn't handle jobs anymore, the market does.

Wrong, the governament only handle jobs to a speciphic moment, like building a citadel, their real job are other things, and still under the market.

> And when the market doesn't hire non-benders they would have no jobs.

It wasnt even a "real job", only mandatory service to the governament, while they werent working on their farm, and they were only obligated to do it, because they didnt had benders.

Nothing changes, besides the fact that a company can only hire benders - if there are enough of them, which is not guaranted.

>They used to have jobs that pay for their needs. Now they can't fill those jobs anymore

But being a "construction worker" wasnt their jobs.

>That were no organised groups of working benders as there would be in LoK time.

You say it based on? Its actually isnt hard for a society comparable to ancient China to make it, China was even more complex.

>I don't remember any earthbenders in slums of Ba Sing Se

Iroh play with some kids there.

>though, and in the rift they were starting up a factory.

Uh? The rift was about those two tribes, an earth bender was their guide, he worked as a guide.

>f you compare Ty Lee to any of the named Benders she would most likely lose in a 1 on 1.

I ont think so, pretty certain that she would easily take the Boulder down.

>Which is a problem, because Equalists use a lot of equipment and ambushes to compete with benders.

Dai li also use ambushes on their missions. The fact that people use it on fights to won also shouldnt be a problem, because it is normal.

>The Dai Li fought pretty well against the Gaang while working for Azula.
And never defeated an MC, and didnt had names.

So acording to you, they are worth as hobos, to show how powerful the mcs are.

>>77501899
They hire who they can afford and need. Which in the LoK timeline would be as many benders as possible.

>>77498127
>Nah, they will use tanks and guns, or even spirit bombs and lasers
that's not something anyone can have in a civilized society. You don't need any kind of rule for bending. Literally anyone can have it.

>But as we see of Katar on book 1, a 14 years waterbend can hardly make a simple splash
as we see with the Tenzin's kids, they can create powerful winds. It doesn't really take much to destroy shit. It's not necessary a lot of fire to destroy a hospital, and you only need to move the house ceeling a little to make it fall. A kid can create a very big issue, even kill people.

>You also fogot that with bending you can build a mansion on 1 hour for people without homes
First, the problem is that you cannot revive people that died when the house was blown. Second, there is much more needed to create a house than just earth. It's basically useless to take time to build a house when anyone can destroy it in a couple of seconds.

>>77501978
>their real job are other things, and still under the market.
A market owned and controlled by the government. They can't just up and leave to do something else under a different lord.

>hile they werent working on their farm, and they were only obligated to do it, because they didnt had benders.
But in LoK, they can't compete with the other farms anymore. When things get industrialized the small farmers can either band together and try to compete against others or try their luck at something else. In all cases an organised farming or construction company would use Bending labor and out produce those who don't. So no occupation would be safe for non-benders to do, because Benders can do all those things to the same effect or better.

>You say it based on?
There might have been guilds aswell, but they controle the market, in LoK the market seems a lot more free and it would gravitate towards an exclusively bender workforce because they're better.

>Iroh play with some kids there.
Oh yeah. Possibly refugees since there was a lot of them at the time.
And the rift you mean The Great Divide? He was a guide yes. And while a non-bender could probably also be a guide, he couldn't secure the area as well as a bender.

>The fact that people use it on fights to won also shouldnt be a problem, because it is normal.
It's a problem because it doesn't make you strong. If the equalists needs ambushes to win fight against benders it would imply they can't take them straight on.

>So acording to you, they are worth as hobos, to show how powerful the mcs are.
They are. If those Hoboes are also meant to make the Mcs look good.

>>77501975
>And that is where the inequality lies. A Bender has an advantage over non-bender because he is a bender.

No, the advantage comes from the fact that you gave one of them material to hit the other, while not giving the same to the other position. Bending alone isnt all that great, if you dont have base material to work on it, or you are constructing the scene to favour the bender, by giving them armor and material to fight, and striping the oposition from any defense mean that they usually use to fight.

Its like saying that Batman can won everyone with prep time, but not giving the other foe prep time too.

>Pretty sure Sokka and Appa didn't fight.
Appa pretty much ended the fight with a single attack, because he is a giant animal.

>No i'm pointing out that you can't just use what the narrative points out, because there are out of fiction reason that the comparison doesn't work.

But out of fiction shouldnt be used to explain in universe logic.

>At base reduction yes. But atleast they're both named, so that gives them equal status within the fiction.

You just created an arbitrary rule. Its the same case, if he is designated to lost, in your view he is no different from any other fighter.

>hen ofcourse Ozia doesn't rely entirely on his title to seem like a strong fighter

Whatch again the scene where Toph and Aang fight the elite of the palace, they were the best soldiers that we saw unti that point, the creator says on the commentary that it was made explicitly to show how Aang got powerful for being albe to fight them like that. See? Worth effect only work if the one being worthed is worth.

>Usually the Equalists make use of heavy amounts of technology and numbers to get even with benders.

Two benders, Lin and Korra, almost lost to two equalists and lietnaut. Seems much more of a "fair and equivalent fight" than Toph fighting various Dai Li.

>>77498540
>Waterbenders provide the best healing and can heal things that even modern medicine can't
not really. At least that was never shown.

>Bending is also culturally and philosophically important
if your culture allow people to have the power to blow shit up, your culture is shit.

> it seems like most of the really rich people can't bend
that was never my argument. Just how dangerous it is.

>>77501975
>That obviously makes it harder to fight them, but also shows that 1 equalist isn't equal to 1 bender.

Ignoring the fact that a lot of benders got defeated by them even when outnumbered, only using coordenation and tatics.

>Because they are called elite, you assume they are strong. That is why when the main character beats them it looks impressive and they are assumed to be stronger.

Yes, they ARE elite, they ARE strong, just not as strong as the MCs. Defeating them are a great feat, made to show how powerful the mcs are, thats why these scenes get more meaning and importance than beating random hobos.

>>77486777
I'm alright
Don't nobody worry 'bout me
Why you gotta give me a fight
Why don't ya just let me be

>>77498902
The firebender goons trained for their skills. They found the time. You're a shitter peasant and it's your own fault.

>>77502167
>not really. At least that was never shown.
Katara brought Aang back from the dead. And he also got his past lives back.

>if your culture allow people to have the power to blow shit up, your culture is shit.
By the Emperor, how heretical!

>>77502245
>Katara brought Aang back from the dead
Magic water.

>>77502245
>Katara brought Aang back from the dead
Aang didn't die, and she was only able to heal him with the super-extra-special healing water.

Connecting with his past lives was something he did later/during the time he was in coma by himself.

>By the Emperor, how heretical!
ALAHU AHKBAR

>>77502290
>Aang didn't die,
I recall him saying I was gone, you saved me, to Katara. Words that kill aren't allowed I guess?
And we see his past lives vanish and his cosmic image fade. Granted it all comes back to him.

>>77502145
>No, the advantage comes from the fact that you gave one of them material to hit the other, while not giving the same to the other position.
What ever setting you can come up with where a bender and a non-bender is fighting without armor and weapons, the Bender has the advantage because he can bend. Unless it's a fictional room without any earth, air, water and the bender isn't a firebender. In that context they will be even.

>But out of fiction shouldnt be used to explain in universe logic.
It is used to explain a contradiction in the fiction. Because as you say, those people should be elites and the best trained in the nation, but they clearly aren't because they lose to people with less experience and training (that means both benders and non-benders)

>You just created an arbitrary rule.
I didn't just create it, i have said this the entire time. Theres a difference in status between named characters and mooks in fiction. And comparing them across status always makes the named character come out on top.

>See? Worth effect only work if the one being worthed is worth.
But they don't look strong, they sound strong because you're told they are. In the actual fight they look pitifull because they're so weak.

>Two benders, Lin and Korra, almost lost to two equalists and lietnaut.
Korra was never close to losing to the Leiutenant. So im not sure what you refering to. Also Leiutenant always relies on his technology to compete with benders because he knows they aren't equal.

>>77502198
>Ignoring the fact that a lot of benders got defeated by them even when outnumbered, only using coordenation and tatics.
Very few benders lost to equalists 1 on 1. The only one i can remember are Korra and Mako in their first encounter with equalists, and even there the equalists use technology to even the fight.

>Defeating them
Except it isn't because they might aswell be hoboes as they don't fight anyone else.

>>77502137
>A market owned and controlled by the government.

Working obligated to the governament is not "the market", there wasnt a market for it if it was civic service. Hell, it made them spend time doing other things, when they could be working on their real jobs.

>But in LoK, they can't compete with the other farms anymore.

Uh? Why you think that benders suddenly make better farmers?

>e. In all cases an organised farming or construction company would use Bending labor and out produce those who don't.

How you use bending to be a better farmer? You could use it to make the soil fertile, but this maximizethe work on a small area avoiding the need to buy larger fields, instead of stealing jobs. Even more because most of farming wouldnt use bending, and would slowly become outmated by machines.

There might have been guilds aswell, but they controle the market

So there was, and guilds try to avoid spending needless resources to maximize profit.

>And the rift you mean The Great Divide? He was a guide yes.

lol yeah, I forgot the name. While he used his bending to avoid most of the danger of the creatures, he seemed to be a peasant, not a warrior.

>It's a problem because it doesn't make you strong.

Make you better and more efficient to won conflict, and this is what is important. The important is how you can defest your enemies and achieve your goals, a small and weaker army that can win using efficiency, training and tactics is superior to the one who lost.

> If those Hoboes are also meant to make the Mcs look good.

At the same time, every time that a Dai Li showed up, it was meant to be a "holly shit" factor for the audience. "Elite mooks" have impact, and thats why you cant compare them with random hobos.

>>77502167
>not really. At least that was never shown.

Hell, with waterbending they were able to do plastic surgery with 30s technollogy. You could cure people using only water and few movements, for free.

>if your culture allow people to have the power to blow shit up, your culture is shit.

You are shit, and if people followed you, they would be years behind us, instead of almost on our level on the next few years. Hell, the next avatar will probably live in a world more advanced than ours.

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>>77486467
And he doesn't bend water at me for not being able to pay rent on time, what's your point?

>>77502366
>Words that kill aren't allowed I guess?
they said 'kill' sometimes, and even 'killer' in ATLA. It is allowed. The fact that he still have his past lives means he didn't die. They are destroyed if he dies. There is some kind of novel where he has to connect back with 4 of his past lives, but i don't know if we can consider that canon, and even if we did, it was just those 4 past lives, and he just 'lost connection', didn't lose them.

>>77502388
>Uh? Why you think that benders suddenly make better farmers?
A waterbender or earth bender definately has advatages in terms of farming. Watering and building farms. The fact that they can control resources that are vital to farming makes them better farmers.

>How you use bending to be a better farmer?
They can make the process easier by controlling the elements that are a part of farming.

>So there was, and guilds try to avoid spending needless resources to maximize profit.
And im sure they would have hired a majority of benders, but since benders didn't neccesarily need the guilds and because the non-benders also had other jobs like farming it wouldn't be a problem. The problem arises when Benders and non-benders have to compete for the jobs.

>While he used his bending to avoid most of the danger of the creatures, he seemed to be a peasant, not a warrior.
I can agree he wasn't a warrior, but i don't think he was a peasant either. He seemed quite knowledgable about the Great Divide so i assume he studied its history somewhere before becoming a guide.

>Make you better and more efficient to won conflict, and this is what is important.
If you need to employ special tactics to even compete with an enemy you're not their equal.

>At the same time, every time that a Dai Li showed up, it was meant to be a "holly shit" factor for the audience.
Yes, but unlike most of the other mooks, the Dai Li seems to have earned their status in the show by arresting and fighting named characters and doing well in those fights.

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>>77502452
>with waterbending they were able to do plastic surgery
wat? oh, you mean the evil guy from S01? was it even waterbending, or only waterbending?

>You could cure people using only water and few movements
They couldn't cure Jet.

>You are shit
pic related.

>they would be years behind us, instead of almost on our level on the next few years
they don't even have guns, and most improvements were done without bending, if not all of them.

>>77502454
Dude, seriously, just pay your goddamn rent.

>>77502572
Or what? you're going to bend water at him?

monster.

>>77502374
>What ever setting you can come up with where a bender and a non-bender is fighting without armor and weapons, the Bender has the advantage because he can bend. Unless it's a fictional room without any earth, air, water and the bender isn't a firebender. In that context they will be even.


I think that the ideal scenario, is a bender with their element present, and the non-bender using all their resources, and weapons that they used to train on their fight style. Like giving Jet his butterfly swords and armor.

>Because as you say, those people should be elites and the best trained in the nation, but they clearly aren't because they lose to people with less experience and training

Because they are even better. Its part of the suspension of the disbelief fella. The world on Avatar work by wuxia movie logic and tropes, and on these, a young fighter prodigy can win over powerful forces like nothing, their status as "prodigy" only exist IF the ones that they defeat are strong enough to make it notable.

>Theres a difference in status between named characters and mooks in fiction. And comparing them across status always makes the named character come out on top.

But if he is designated to loose, they are not really all that capable by your logic. I think that the problem is that its hard for you to admit that for a 14 years old to defeat a powerful master, its implied that said 14 years old is even better, even with less experience. These kind of things are normal on wuxia movies, and other forms of media, it doesnt make the oposition weak, just less formidable than the prodigy heroes.

>Korra was never close to losing to the Leiutenant.

To say the truth, this was before he turned into a jobber.

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>>77486777
Trips confirm Amon 2016!

>>77502615
>I think that the ideal scenario,
In your example with yet, he lost every time he fought a bender. Even when he fought Zuko who didn't use bending they were about even.

>The world on Avatar work by wuxia movie logic and tropes
If it works like this, then i don't see the problem with my stance. They're mooks who're fated to lose, so obviously you don't have to be strong to beat them. The same logic applies.

>But if he is designated to loose, they are not really all that capable by your logic.
Again that is not what i said. I said there are different statuses if characters. Mooks are only present to make other look stronger, ergo they can't be strong themselves. A character who is named is special, ergo them beating mooks is not impressive.

>To say the truth, this was before he turned into a jobber.
Well according to you, he never became a jobber, because that outside the fiction. He was just bad always i guess...

>>77502374
> The only one i can remember are Korra and Mako in their first encounter with equalists, and even there the equalists use technology to even the fight.

What they used? I remebr motocycles, but they didnt used it to fight.

>Except it isn't because they might aswell be hoboes as they don't fight anyone else.

Would have you whatched a show where the mc defeat a bunch of hobos the entire episode, or where he defeat an elite army? Which one make him sound more powerful?

>>77502530
>A waterbender or earth bender definately has advatages in terms of farming. Watering and building farms.
I get the impretion that it would be more difficult to have waterbenders constantly working on the farm, tham building cannals that work by themselves.

>They can make the process easier by controlling the elements that are a part of farming.
Doing what?

>The problem arises when Benders and non-benders have to compete for the jobs.
This is our main divergent opinion. I think that its pretty much stabelished what are "bender" and "non-bender" jobs on places like earth kingdon, due to their thounsand of years dealing with it. I dont think that we can achieve much more discussing this point, without more informations from canon.

>He seemed quite knowledgable about the Great Divide so i assume he studied its history somewhere before becoming a guide.
Dont think so, folk tales and things like this, he grew up next there and know how it works, maybe he even worked with a previous guide when he was younger.

>If you need to employ special tactics to even compete with an enemy you're not their equal.
If you defeat them, you just prove that you are superior.

>Yes, but unlike most of the other mooks, the Dai Li seems to have earned their status in the show by arresting and fighting named characters and doing well in those fights.
Yes, still they lost, but you admit that they were worth enemies, so....not "random hobos".

>>77502538
>wat? oh, you mean the evil guy from S01? was it even waterbending, or only waterbending?

Yep, its explicitally said that it was plastic surgery did with help of waterbending, the first one.

>They couldn't cure Jet.
Jet got smashed organs. Still, Katara could cure burn wounds and sick people on that village of Painted Lady.

>pic related.
Not saying that you are wrong for being shit tho, I give reasons for why, and THEM I call you shit.

>they don't even have guns, and most improvements were done without bending,
Guns dont exist because the show woul never allow guns, still, they have lasers. Fire Nation was more advanced than any other part of the world on ATLA, due to fire bending as fuel for steampunk tech, hell, submarines were done on a world with ancient chine tech, using waterbending. They have eletric cars, powered by, among other things, clean energy produced by fire benders. They can build structures on seconds with earth and metal bending, its pretty obvious how useful it is. NWT and SWT only exist due to waterbending.

>>77502733
>In your example with yet, he lost every time he fought a bender.

Who lost? I was using an impotethical scenario..or wait, you are talking about Jet. He won over Aang.

>They're mooks who're fated to lose, so obviously you don't have to be strong to beat them.

But everyone that defeated the elite mooks are confirmed to be some of the greatest of their time or prodigy.

>Again that is not what i said.
Its exactly what you said.

>Mooks are only present to make other look stronger, ergo they can't be strong themselves.

If the mooks are weak, how they make you look strong?

>Well according to you, he never became a jobber

Dont get it.

>>77502808
>What they used? I remebr motocycles, but they didnt used it to fight.
I think they used gas bombs aswell.

>Which one make him sound more powerful?
The point is it makes SOUND more powerful. It tells us nothing about how powerful those elites actually are because they are being compared to someone who has plot armour.

>I get the impretion that it would be more difficult to have waterbenders constantly working on the farm, tham building cannals that work by themselves.
Possible, they could help get water into the cannals tho. Earth benders have an easier time since they can contruct farming lands.

>Doing what?
They can cut the grains easier, or toil the earth. Possibly more, im not a farming expert.

>This is our main divergent opinion.
It seems more like it's about semantics, we seem to agree that Benders are a superior workforce. So instead of stealing the jobs, how about benders takes the jobs?

>If you defeat them, you just prove that you are superior.
Far from it. If a group of peasants murder a bunch of soldiers in their sleep, you wouldn't say the peasants were better warriors.

>Yes, still they lost, but you admit that they were worth enemies, so....not "random hobos".
It just changes their status, they're no just mooks anymore. They might not be named characters but atleast the proved that they're not just mooks.