Cyclops or X-Men General

I think Cyclops is a pretty cool guy. Eh bangs Jean Grey and doesn’t afraid of anything.

>>77359927
He was right

>>77359927
He's what Superman should be to become relevant with this generation there is a trend of boy scouts being written to be the hated Right characters and Scott does it very well to survive through a time like this where people want heroes to be even more assholes than before

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>>77359927

easily the most boss xmen

>>77360049
I've never understood this I've seen him get so much hate but ever since I was a child he was always my favorite of the X-Men

>>77359927
Most interesting X-Men character. I'm really concerned with the direction they're taking him in the post-secret wars universe.

What are the best cyclops stories, /co/?

>>77360148
the one where he cheats on his wife.

>>77360148
Age of Apocalypse he's a villain, loses an eye but manages to blast Wolverines hand off lmao.

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I miss him. More writing potential than wolverine is, I feel...

>>77359927
His power has got to be one of the more satisfying to see pulled off.

>>77360094
People just hated him because as a kid they saw cool-guy Wolverine hating him and followed suit. No one likes the responsible guy.

One of my favorite comic book characters. It's a damn shame that the whole Mutant Revolution thing, what was supposed to be a major culmination of decades of character history ended so poorly.

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Tye Sheridan is playing him in the upcoming movie, thoughts?

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>>77360230

>>77360206

Wolverine is way overhyped for such a mediocre character.

>>77360206
That could be true my dislike for him grew from him leaving Morph behind in the animated series
there was just something so bad about that
it made me grow up believing team captains aren't the same as team leaders
it was a cartoon for kids why would you write your leader like that make him do that when you can write your episode to say then he magically saved them all
it taught me a lot about responsibility and the tough choices as a kid but it also taught me if you see a guy like that
You make them a convertible

The Rick Grimes of mutants.

>>77360257
Looks lame af

>>77359927
He used to be great when he was all about keikaku doori and trick shot autism. Or when he was shit talking the whole world. But now after 3 years of "lol optic blast everything" or "muh revolution (jk it's just a mid life crisis)" he became boring.

>>77360290
If Scott saves Muties and Rick saves Humies would they fight eachother to save themselves from zombies or would they both agree on so many levels they would just end all humie mutie wars and unite the world under the new name United States of Right?

>>77360230
>ugly

might not even watch to be honest

>>77360290
Frank Grimes, asshole.

>>77360290
It's just Grimes asshole.

>>77360195
I'm saying!!
He shoots freaking laser beams out of his eyes that's rad.

>>77360148
Astonishing X-Men is great for brilliant tactician/leader Scott, especially breakworld. He's pretty cool for the whole Utopia era too.

>>77360148
Avengers vs X-Men: Consequences

>>77359927
coolest mutant.

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Best Summers.

>>77360148
The issue of Secret Wars where he gets rekt by Doom

Never really cared for the character, but then my entire knowledge of the character came from him jobbing every fight in the cartoons.

tried to find the rec and it's been taken down, anyone got one?

>>77359927
Pretty much the best example of true character development in all of capeshit.

Also he was right.

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Stood like a G. Never backed off. I felt like the whole time Marvel kept trying to make Cyclops into a bitch, and he just stood there and took it till the very end. Shame

>>77360148
Astonishing X-Men and Messiah Trilogy, I'd say.
>>77360174
AoA made me wish for Cyclops-led Marauders.
>>77360324
United States of Right, you know it.
>>77360309
>wild Bendis appears
>>77360354
>>ugly
>might not even watch to be honest
Same.
>>77360863
Moment Frenzy wanted to kiss him and Emma went "what the fuck do you think you're doing?" was awesome.
Plus Emma didn't turn Frenzy gay.

Only People that have Fucked Jean Grey can post in this thread

>>77359927

Think X gon' give it to ya.

That is a fictional man who gets fictional shit done.

Seriously, one of my favorite mutants. The only thing that really stood as out of character for me was the whole foundation of X-Factor. Even so, there were some good moments that came of the pre-Guvment Mutie era X-Factor storylines.

Also, Havok a shit.

>>77361357
>Also, Havok a shit.
Havok is naive & innocent stoner who while Cyclops is big bad quarterback who gangbangs all bitches after game.
According to Remender, anyway.

Probably one of the most interesting characters in Marvel's arsenal

He's one of the few characters who were allowed to have an actual character arc that isn't just a cliche'd life lesson

what the fuck did cyclops do that he is now considered the devil again? Did he drive by inhuman HQ thinking the red beams would've be traced back to him?

>>77361876
Started off-panel race war alone.

>>77359927

>Fearless Leader
>Most interesting X-men character by far
>Bitches have the hots for him
>Martyrs himself for the best of mutantkind
>He is right

Cyclops is the ultimate hero. The hero mutantkind need but not the one they deserve.

Are the terrigen crystals still a thing? If so, I bet Scott stole them or destroyed them as payback. So now both groups are dying out.

>>77360158

you mean that mental porn thing? kek

>>77362155

he fucked over that clone he married though.

He wanted a good life for his fucked up kids from the future.

>>77362186
And clone mindfucked him into being with her.

>>77362203

yoou cant spend your time fucking Psychics without getting burned once in a while.

What happened to Emma frost anyway. Is she in any of the new books?

>>77362155
>>77362186
I don't know if the concept that people let this shit get published is worse, or that I know exactly what you're talking about.

>>77362232
True that.
Nah, she didn't appear anywhere. I hope she's back with him. Fuck Bendis.

>>77362203

Huh? The only time she mindfucked him was when she made him lose that duel for leadership.
Either way he didn't cheat on Maddy, he right away told her he was leaving and bitch then went psycho.

>>77362258
He left her alone in fucking Alaska with his baby son
How the fuck did he think she was going to respond

>>77362258
>Huh? The only time she mindfucked him was when she made him lose that duel for leadership.
And that's how he ended up with her. If he won, Maddy would sit in X-Mansion and iirc, she didn't like that.
>>77362282
It's Cable, he can take care of himself.

>>77362291
Baby Nathan can't

so whats worse.

Mental sex therapy with emma frost or kissing logan irl? Or does it get to the point where they are both assholes and they probably should've called it quits.

Ult Cyclops was a pussy though. Wolverine banged Jean (teenager) and Scott ran away like a bitch. I wonder how he will react to Beast fucking Jean now. Personally I hope the twist is that young scott went off the rails and did something so fucked up that old scott had to take the blame.

>>77362306

He got the summers genes, that's more than enough.

>>77362333

>I wonder how he will react to Beast fucking Jean now.

He should be happy now that he got rid of that manipulative cunt.
Also Jean is the one losing dating the furry animal.

>>77362306
Do you even time travel, anon?
>>77362362
Get him with Pixie and all will be well.

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>>77359927
MENDOZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

>>77362334
Summers genes just means he's an unlucky fuck who's got a Victorian doctor for a stalker

>>77362374

>Get him with Pixie and all will be well.

I am all up for X23clops, but Pixiclops will do.

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>>77362407
>Scott
>fucking anyone that isn't a psychic, a redhead, or a clone of a psychic
Ayyyyyyyyyy
Lmao

>>77362407

didnt x23 move on to angel?

>>77362407
Yeah, same. Female Logan and Cyclops being hooked up is hilarious.
>>77362428
Female teen telepaths aside of Kekoos?
>>77362430
Yeah, Angel is rebound guy.

>>77362428

I was hoping he would stay in space and move on to alien chicks

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>>77362430

Don't remind me. I am still salty about that.

>>77362590

it was jean again. She got jealous and tinkered around in laura's head to get rid of competition even if she doesnt want scott anymore.

Jean hit list

Iceman: you're gay
beast: you've always loved me
angel: you like laura

>>77362637

What a cunt.

>>77362674
And she saw something changed in Cyclops after he powered down from Black Mirror.
Jesus fuck, not even Emma invades minds like Jean.

I'm not much of an X-Men guy, can someone explain the "Cyclops is right" thing to me?

>>77362674
By this point she's giving Sinister a run for his money. Shit, she keeps this up and she'll be the most manipulative fuck the X-Men ever had to suffer.
Jean as Black Queen when?

>>77362703
Avengers and Wolverine claimed that Phoenix will kill everyone. Cyclops claimed that Phoenix will fix X-gene.

>>77362703

cyclopswas right.

Wolverine was wrong. Avengers were wrong. Beast was wrong.

>>77362333
In X-men Forever, Jean bangs ScoTt, then Logan, than Hank. Logan and Hank end up dying, while Scott is off raising his son. I always find it funny how Scott is better off without Jean in alt universes, but for Jean she's fucked up in the head. I mean shit, even in AoA Scott wasn't as evil, and Jean somehow ended up as Apocalypse.

>>77362590
>They avoided the inevitable Scott x Logan otp subtext.

>>77362362
Scott can do his best to get away from Jean, but White Phoenix of the Crown Jean will make sure her waifu ends up with her. Feel bad for the dude, not even death can save him from being Jeans eternal waifu.

>>77362703

after genosha was wiped out hipsters started wearing Magneto was right shirts. Like Che shirts people wear.

It evolved into scott was right after scott was actually right, but he was arrested and thrown in jail anyway.

>>77362749
>I always find it funny how Scott is better off without Jean in alt universes
Remember Earth X? Wolverine and Jean spend days hating each other while Phoenix Force loves Cyclops.

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>>77362703
Cyclops wanted to prepare Hope for the Phoenix and use that to fix the X-gene and save mutant kind
Avengers and Wolverine and Beast said no that's not gonna work you can't control it you're gonna fuck everything up

Avengers fuck everything up. Phoenix is unable to go into Hope and PENIS get fragments of it. They fix shit, avengers gets buttmad, fuck everything up. Huge fight, phoenix is eventually gone, but new mutants start popping up. Just like Scott said they would.

Scott was and will always be right.

ever since scott ordered that black girl to kill, he has been right.

BEHOLD

>>77362707
See, if Bendis wasn't as influential as he was, I'd actually hope for this as an interesting story - teen Jean, without years of Xavier's teaching and lessons, gets into progressively more dangerous and over-the-top situations, rapidly unlocking her powers, and eventually falls off the slippery slope.

Make her a sympathetic villain, like Magneto, and you have a ton of story potential.

Easy fix to the inevitable paradox issues is to simply reveal that Beast is a dumbass and the O5 were from a different timeline all along.

This would make sense and could be interesting. But it goes against BMB's shitty stories, so he'll veto it forever.

>>77362842
>without years of Xavier's teaching and lessons
Send her to GotG and Professor K.

>>77362885
Kitty isn't a telepath who can teach her how to control her powers in any meaningful way.

>>77362885
Pls.

>DnA GotG: She'd learn all about teamwork and using her powers, but be subjected to so much crap she'd be going "I'm too old for this shit" before she's turned 18

>Bendis GotG: She'll save the day now and again, but she'll learn basically no morals or anything of value, as everyone's all ~loveable rogue~ and ~dashing scoundrel~. She'll do campy stupid shit a lot though!

>>77362203
This

>>77362258
>>77362282
>Defending Claremont's shitty Jean knock-off

Nobody gives a shit about the clone whore. Everything about her was a fucked up idea from Claremont.

You must be some tumblr SJW shippers. Die please.

>>77363043
>Claremont
>he writes strong, independent women!
>Nightcrawler sends pirate woman back to kitchen

>>77363085
Claremont nearly made more knock-offs and clones of Jean Grey than he created original female characters. Like that bitch Rachel.

What's the story that everyone's been talking about lately debating whether he was right?

Is there a reading list or anything?

>>77363368
AvX and onwards he's been right about several things and shit on for being so righteous.
If you want the short and funny breakdown or just really don't want to give AvX any time read nuzloke's version.

>>77363383
so what should I download?

>>77363383
What's the ongoing with Cyke in it after AvX? I can't really remember and that era is filled with fucking #1 issues

>>77363160
Rachel's design I dig, spikes on shoulders and all. But God knows she's been in shit books lately.
>>77363368
He said that Phoenix will reignite X-Gene and that humans will keep on hating mutants no matter what X-Men do.
>>77363619
After AvX? Bendis' Uncanny. Avoid it.

>>77363633
Oh nevermind, I thought Cyke's team wasn't under Bendis. I'm not reading Bendis.

>>77363633
>>77363636
I still don't understand how it's possible for one writer to be so good and so bad at the same time. Bendis wrote Ultimate Spider-Man for a fucking decade and every single issue was gold. And yet it seems almost anything else he touches is absolute shit.

Help me understand, /co/.

>>77363659
Back then he was young and aspiring writer so he had to write good to sell. Today he's established and famous so he can write shit and it'll sell.

Cyclops is the epitome of Marvel not knowing wtf to do with the X-men anymore and running around like headless chickens.

OPTIC BLAST

JEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

DREAMS
DON'T
DIE

>>77363686
>Cyclops is the epitome of Marvel setting up good stories and wasting it all on shit writers.

>>77363659
What do you think is more likely: Ultimate Spider-Man is shit or every past that is great?

It's all shit, mate.

>>77363659
>Bendis wrote Ultimate Spider-Man for a fucking decade and every single issue was gold.

Let's not kid ourselves, it kinda lost its charm around #100, and the decompression was so rampant that there's barely anything worth re-reading.

>>77360990
can't help but feel that was a fuck you from hickman over the AvX reactions.

>>77363859
Well, when you think that Hickman was brought to Marvel because of Bendis...

>>77359927
Cool guy.
Eternally shat on by people who have done worse than him.

>>77363876
Child soldiers are OK if Cyclops doesn't do it.

He's a pussy fag pants

>>77363788
Yea I'm not gonna be a revisionist and try to say USM is bad, but I don't reread it the way I reread something like Hitman or Miller's Daredevil, which is to say, whenever I'd like, picking up from whereever I'd like

>>77360148
>Eve of Destruction
>New X-Men
>Astonishing X-Men
>Everything post House of M but nothing post Second Coming.

>>77360273
He would send plenty of Mutants (including his own son) straight to their deaths after everything went to shit. But he always felt terrible about it.

>>77359927
I think he should be in his own type and not a mutant. This would lessen the burden that will soon break his back.

>>77364006
>soon break his back.
dude he's dead (for now) and all the other X-Men see him as no better than Magneto

>>77364026
And Magneto is worse than Red Skull, according to Rogue.

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>>77364026
I bet you it was fucking Beast driving away in that car that fucked things up for Scott.

>>77362637
I would lol if that was actually revealed as a plot point.

>>77364030
Magneto is just as bad as Red Skull.He is a major reason why mutants are hated.

>>77364026

Wait...

When was Uncanny 600 set?

Pre or post Secret Wars?

>>77364026
He's dead? I thought he still need to announce the news about the Terrigan Mist to everyone?

>>77364067
Won't argue with that.
Fuck Skull, though. Was it ever revealed what happened to White Skull?

>>77364082
Pre-SW. Before Time Runs Out, too.
Now remember. Beast hates Cyclops in 600, he respects him in Time Runs Out and is back to hate tirade in ANAD.

>>77364084
That's what some anon claimed it'll happen. Don't believe in that.

>>77364089
>Was it ever revealed what happened to White Skull?
>Marvel
>Caring about straight white people
lol no that was dropped

>>77359927
His powers are literally the last thing people ever discuss. That's how much of an interesting character he is.

>>77364118
Chuckled.
>>77364119
Why would we discuss his power?

>>77364119
His powers, especially his secondary mutation should get more exploration. They can be super cool when done right but yes. The fact that a cape is better know for what and how they are than what they can do speaks volumes for how good Summers is.

>>77363659
Daredevil was also great up until the last two arcs.

Bottom line: 1) Bendis should write only street-level 2)he shouldn't write team books unless they are teens (New Ultimates stuff (not the ongoing) was best part about Miles's comic).

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>You think this letter on my head stands for America?

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>>77359969

Under rated post

>>77362910
>She'd learn all about teamwork and using her powers
what? DnA GotG would be shit teachers. They can't even fix their own issues.

>>77361357

It's not that Havok a shit, it's just that writers won't let him have nice things.

>>77363789
jesus christ i can't unsee this shit

the marvel PC/tumblr pandering is fucking real.

>>77365101
Eh, aside abominations that inhabit Wolverine's school like Idie and Broo, all of those characters are old. Dunno about Fantomex, though.

I grew up with Ultimate Cyclops since that universe was my first exposure to Marvel. I like that Cyclops because he was a young guy who had to learn the ropes. Plus he owned Logan's ass totally. I also liked the fact that Ultimate Scott was the younger brother.

616 Cyclops and X-Men in general act like schizo retards when they complain the universe is dead-set against them and the fact that the rest of 616 heroes don't get involved with their drama.

I hope the Inhumans bitch-slap these X-Geners because they totes themselves as special snowflakes. Let another group of superhumans displace those crybabies.

>>77362795
The Phoenix Force is an entity that consumed countless star systems, no shit the Avengers were paranoid.

Fuck that "Scott was Right" meme. BOTH the X-Men and the Avengers were in the wrong.

Rachel should have been the one to deal with the Phoenix instead of Hope, but can't utilize her because heroes fighting heroes is what execs want.

>>77365539
>consumed countless star system

That's the type of vague meaningless self validating bullshit sentence that lights up all my alarms

And lo and behold, the rest of the post confirms it

>>77363659
Bendis understands street-level characters. Heroes that deal with global or universal threats is beyond his talents. I loved USM too and it pisses me off that the Ultimate universe is dead.

>>77365556
Except it's established that the Phoenix Force has annihilated life on other planets. I know it's an inherent aspec of 616 universe, but it's like trying to tame a black hole. You don't mess with it.

You also missed my point about blaming the Avengers and X-Men equally. I hate how they do stupid brawls the last 10 years instead of saving the day.

>>77362842
>Easy fix to the inevitable paradox issues is to simply reveal that Beast is a dumbass and the O5 were from a different timeline all along.
This would instantly turn all 5 into Z-tier characters and tank their book. No one is interested in reading about a bunch of alternate reality fakes.

>>77365684
Will removal of Jean tank All New, that is the question.

>>77365639
>Except it's established that the Phoenix Force has annihilated life on other planets

Brocoli people, or Demon Planets. The Phoenix was only ever a threat to earth when some asshole decided to dick around with it and make it go Dark

Guess what Tony Stark did

>>77359927
His power is kinda boring. It's also pretty annoying how inconsistent in term of power and heat it is.

Personality-wise? Average.

>>77365843
Speaking as someone who dislikes 616 Scott and recent X-writing, I call bullshit.

Scott is this guy who constantly got manipulated by older men in his life like Sinister and Xavier. He never had a choice after his parents were abducted. He had the reins of leadership forced onto him because he was Charles' first and devoted disciple.

In a lot of ways, Scott is like Sam Winchester from Supernatural. Both lost their girlfriends, shaky relationship with their fathers, and their lives screwed around by psychos because they were chosen thanks to genetics.

Scott had years of oent-up rage and finally became his own man, but at the cost of being a pretentious asshole. I respect the fact that Scott isn't taking any crap, but the way he's doing things is a serious problem. He's gonna burn too many bridges and will be fucked in the long-run.

>>77366098
>Sam Winchester
Dunno, he always looked more like Dean to me.
But I completely agree with you on everything else. That's why being with Emma let him loose himself a bit and show emotion to her.
>Speaking as someone who dislikes 616 Scott
Disliking Bendis' Scott or 616 in general?

>>77366139
I've hated Scott since the early 2000's.

Yeah I know he's more like Dean in some ways like being a Hunter instead of having a normal life, but Scott shares Sam's problems. They're both tickng time bombs.

>>77366205
>I've hated Scott since the early 2000's.
Jean/Scott OTP?
>They're both tickng time bombs.
True that.

>>77365101
>>77365321
I think the anon was being ironic.

>>77366277
Don't care about Scott/Jean.

I disliked how increasingly cuntish Scott was. Especially toward colleagues and other heroes.

>>77366442
That's what you get for removal of Xavier from picture.

>>77360293
just like the comics, then
Scott doesn't have a very distinctive face

>>77366462
I've always thought that Cyke looks kind of like a slimmer version of Hal.

>>77360049
Fuck no. Superman is fine the way he is. There's always Hernan if you want edgy Superman.

>>77360230
terrible plain and simple.

I liked it when he was phasing out to become a family man most.

Rightclops was aggravating as shit because he was basically a careless dude throwing shit at a wall until something stuck and worked.

Schism fucked everything.

>>77365539
Phoenix Force is also unstoppable and inevitable. So, even if Avengers had Hope, it wouldn't have changed anything at all. Instead, thanks to them, they were doing what Scott was doing.

>>77365639
The Phoenix force was only ever a threat whenever someone tried to control it. In fact Rachel who was on Cyclops team had held it for over 30 years with no problems.

In other words the Avengers only stood the risk of making things go to shit by getting involved, which is exactly what happened. Things going to shit solely because of the Avengers, they wanted to fuck around with something they didn't understand and never thought to sit down Cyclops and ask him or any of the experts that the mutants had on the phoenix.

>>77365539
I wouldn't have much a problem with Rightclops if his plan to fix shit wasn't blind faith, holding Hope as an asset and kicking her in the kidneys for psychic training. Ororo and Logan are equally on blame too because they were like oh Nooooooooo, it's the end when they both know the Phoenix isn't a pissed off entity and just looks for a host to get cozy in. Rachel being sidelined was the worst shit.
>countless star systems
Nah son. It feeds off potential life. Abortion strength. It only feeds on stars if it's weak. AvX wrote it like a plague when it isn't.

>>77367212
>People actually think the Phoenix was going to blow up the earth while it's waifu, Scott Summers, was still on it.

>Sit down Cyclops and ask him or any of the experts that the mutants had on the phoenix.
They asked Wolverine, he's an expert on it.

>>77367301
The very same Wolverine whose still salty over the fact that Scott's wife didn't want to fuck him? Because he's obviously going to give you a unbiased review.

Wolverine has never once held the phoenix so he's not an expert on it at all. And even then it's Cyclops that they had the problem with so it's him that they should have gone to, then again Cyclops would probably just point at Rachel and then tell them to fuck off.

>>77365539
>Rachel should have been the one to deal with the Phoenix instead of Hope
But the Phoenix didn't want Rachel. It wanted Hope.

>>77367301
>They asked cold-blooded killer how to solve this problem
How did it go?

>>77367421
Rachel still should have been there to try to coach and prepare Hope. Not Scott and his body kicks

>>77360148
Erik the Red

>>77367503
Hope was trained and coached for the Phoenix by people who did understand it. Rachel isn't the only one who understands it.

>>77361876
controversy sells. So they have him be right while being hated by everyone who insist that he's wrong.

>>77367487
He tried to kill her. Steve even kicked Wolverine off his plane because he didn't want that to happen. Can't submarine the Wolverine.

>>77367503
>>77367528
What makes you think kicking her around was the only training she got? Just because that's all we saw doesn't mean that's all that happened.

Cyclops has been the most consistent when it comes to the Phoenix. Jean, Rachel, Nathan, Emma. They were all connected to him on another level in some form. It's like the phoenix wants to fuck with Scott, but can't get him since he's not a psychic, so it goes to all the psychics around him instead.

>>77367674
Man, is Scott fetish a thing? It looks like all telepaths have Scott fetish and Phoenix just craves for his dick.

>>77367705
It's real, secret wars #1 pretty much proved it

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Phoenix-clops was pretty rad.

>>77367705
Overall good guy who has repressed emotions? Telepaths come flying to that.

>>77367674
Then they should have shown training that made sense. All that scene did was make Scott look like a fucking meat head zealot. You raise a good point about the training but that scene was still shit and just paints Scott in a bad light as someone who looks like they don't know what they are doing.

Scott may be the most consistent but Rachel's experience with welding it is more valuable.

>>77363827
>Wasp
Uhh?

>>77367674
Hope is not a psychic either and the Phoenix went to her. Besides, AvX proved that the Phoenix is completely able to possess Scott if it wants to. Not even the first time it was shown, since I remember it possessed Wolverine once and he isn't a psychic either.

In any case, if the purpose of Hope was to let the Phoenix go, then Cyclops was the last person qualified to train her.

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>>77367893
>and just paints Scott in a bad light as someone who looks like they don't know what they are doing.
That was the point of AvX. All those years of X-men comics hyping up Hope? It lost all meaning once they decided to add in the Avengers into an X-men event. Conspiracy theory is they did this because Avengers movie was around the corner at the same time.

>>77367705
Pic related.

Deadpool just got a new book, just saying since he is part of the x-men culture

>>77366098
>and will be fucked in the long-run.
Hopefully by Emma again.

>>77367956
Which is why I am baffled with people defending Scott if the whole event was a blatant attempt to make him look like an obvious evil twirling mustache. There were plenty of opportunities to write Scott in a much more smarter role but nah, people get hyped because he had tunnel vision and got out with some luck and made him right. Fuck that.

>>77367956
>Conspiracy theory is they did this because Avengers movie was around the corner at the same time.
Wouldn't be surprised at all. At least Gillen salvaged that shitshow of event.
>>77367994
My mugga.

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I wanted to ask, how is cannonball invulnerable when is flying ?
Like if a bullet hit him while flying that wont hurt him ?

>>77368042
Pretty much. Moment he powers down, bullets can and will harm him.

>>77368057
>Pretty much
how ? is like Luke Cage invulnerability ?

>>77368094
He creates energy shield around him and can endure a lot, like tanks and shit. It's pretty strong shield.

>>77364119
Nice.

>>77367947
Actually we can't even say what the purpose of Hope having the phoenix was, because it was forced to leave.

>>77367956
Didn't all of that happen though because of the Avengers interfering and deciding that THEY should be the ones handling it? In fact didn't things end with the Avengers changing their tune completely and saying at the end of it to just their faith in Hope?

Especially since it has been shown before that the Phoenix becomes destructive if some dumbass tries to interfere?

>>77368382
All in all, if Phoenix arrival was resolved in X-Men books, without Avengers, maybe we'd get nicer story. Remember that Axis was supposed to be story in Uncanny Avengers? Remember how it turned out into event for all books? Remember how lame it was?

>>77368437
I have a feeling it was leading up to the Avengers being called out on the shit that they've been pulling over the years. The problem with the Avengers is that they need to lose.

They have to go through hoops to make them win, instead of going the "the path to hell is paved with good intentions", which where it seemed to be leading to. The only way AvsX would have worked is if the Avengers lost and got called out on interfering in the first place at the end.

>>77368382
Only after Hope let the Phoenix go, new mutants started appearing. Cyclops plan was doomed to fail since the beginning as well. If Hope had kept the Phoenix, it would have eventually gone dark and destroyed everything.

>>77368582
It could work peacefully if writers wanted that. But instead we got idiotic hero vs hero Marvel is so fond of.
>>77368691
Just like in that What If, right?

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>>77360257
>singer will never let cyclops be anything but a lame faggot
>new cyclops isn't even good looking this time, he's genuinely ugly
X-men movie reboot when

>>77368756
Don't remind me. Emma is dead and Cyclops is underage on movie. Just kill me right now.

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>>77359927

>>77368691
The Phoenix came to revive the mutants in the first place, it was the Avengers who decided that the Phoenix on that, and they're not exactly in that area.

>>77368941
Pottery.

>>77368973
>The Phoenix came to revive the mutants in the first place
this is not true, not even Cyclops knew what the Phoenix was coming for

>>77369000
He literally had a son from the future telling him so.

>>77368756
>>77359927
cyclops was nothing but a lame faggot to begin with.

He was only ever good as the self insert white male character in the beginning.

his best achievement was creating cable in a different timeline.

>>77369021
and said son even told him something along the lines of "people will try to take Hope away out of fear but you can't let that happen"

>>77360049
your opinion is retarded because of peter parker.

>>77369066
And said son even told him that he'll help him.
>Cable was nowhere to be seen during AvX
Really, how much you can be hack writer?

>>77369086
Peter Parker is a retarded masochist. The current run is the least self destructive he's been in years, and he's already showing the signs of running his company to the ground.

>>77369101
he was in one of the tie ins i think and he was just super mysterious about having other shit to do or something.


I kinda miss jesus cable, I want him to get the phoenix phorse

>>77369110
at least he actually makes a difference unlike fucking scott.

hell, Spiderman has probably done better for mutant kind than cyclops has.

>>77369125
Jesus Cable was awesome. This new look he'll get in mini with Deadpool is terrible.

Fuck Bendis. The Phoenix Force screwed up their powers. Magneto too for some reason.

Too bad Wolverine has ultra healing now. Before he was this annoying bug that Cyclops would eventually put down with no effort when he got tired of Logan's shit.

>>77369163
what new look?

>>77369101
The problem was that AvX had like 5 different writers, and I think Bendis or Aaron were leading the charge. Gillen was writing Uncanny X-men and dude had nothing to do with the event except for Consequences and some VS stories.

>>77369171
Actually Bendis retconned that, what screwed their powers were nano sentinels deployed by dark beast because he hated Scott Summers

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>>77369172
This one.
>>77369171
It was Dark Beast, for some weird reason.
>>77369176
Yeah, Bendis and Aaron are ones to blame. Gillen wrote little and he set up future Cyclops story perfectly. Pity Bendis is turbohack.

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>>77369190
That's not real.
It can't be.

>>77369215

damn, dude is taking this jesus thing too far

>>77369021
>>77369066
at what point that son says Cyclops training is what will help Phoenix create new mutants? keep in mind that if the avengers had taken Hope, the Phoenix would have won as well. but that doesn't mean Cyclops was right. he was on his way to fuck everything up as much as the avengers.

the solution was to stop training like an idiot and start investigating what exactly was the point of the lights, that would have led to kun lun and to all that other shit eventually

>>77369215
Aww, that kinda sucks.

like cable, was always an old guy, but he was fuckable as hell, Now he's just like old.

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Sarah is a cute girl name. Why was it assigned to this?

>>77369215
Was his nanotech virus the reason he always had the white eye? Because I can understand why the metal arm is gone since he hasn't had the virus for a while. I hope he reconciles with Hope since they sort of drifted apart due to him going a bit nuts during the last X-force run. I also think the beard and mustache don't suit him.

>>77369244
That was just a precaution that they took in order to get Hope ready. It didn't matter who had Hope the Phoenix was coming.

>Cyclops was on his way to fuck everything up as much as the avengers.
Literally how? Keep in mind the only reason why things became fucked is because the Avengers got involved. If not for them things wouldn't have been fucked at all.

>>77369278
>not romancing the cute little girl out of her

>>77369278
I love Marrow so much.
I wish she were used more.

>>77369311
cyclops would have lost it eventually. hell look at how demented the 5 were becoming. only namor really kept himself in control.

>>77369049
>cyclops was nothing but a lame faggot to begin with.

correct, but he grew a lot in the past few years, I guess starting all the way back at Astonishing X-men when he got together with Emma. He's one of the most interesting characters when backed into a corner because no one can predict how far he will go for his principles vrs end goals.

>>77369274
Beard looks bad on him.
>>77369288
I think so, can't say for sure. Wanna bet that Cable won't use all his powers and will keep shooting from his XXL guns?

>>77369334
>only namor really kept himself in control.
Kek x100000000. Did u even read AVX?

>Cyclops actively meditating.
>Cyclops losing it after Emma, even with 1/2 the PF

If Namor hadn't have fucked it up by Phoenix-slutted Emma, all of them except probably Magik (since she's craycray) would have been able to hang with it.

>>77369244
That whole kun lun shit was the most retarded shit ever. They had built up the 5 lights for years, suddenly they got rid of them and decided to add kun lun in out of nowhere? No previous build up or anything, just decided to go ahead and add it in just for the event. "Oh look magical tablets we had all this time that we neglected to tell anyone ever!" What the fuck.

>>77369311
>Literally how?
because of this >>77368691

>>77369395
control was poor choice of words, but namor's personality never really changed. Thats kinda always him.

And scott thought himself god, even if he was meditating, he was losing his grip on humanity. someone who wants to be god is never good in the long run.

don't get me wrong, the avengers really fucked up a few times and made shit worse, but we still would have been fucked if scott got the PF.

>>77369049
>He was only ever good as the self insert white male character in the beginning.
black guy here

he is legit my favorite superhero behind superman. loved this nigga since i was young

GENE SPLICE

>>77367416
Mugga, you didn't even READ Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine did you? Wolverine went Dark Phoenix

>>77369483
>someone who wants to be god is never good in the long run.
Justice League is fucked.

>>77369483
>someone who wants to be god is never good in the long run.
Asgardians?

>>77369440
Which was what the Avengers (who don't even know what they were doing decided on). And once again the only reason why shit got fucked in the first place was because of them.

So again, literally how?

>>77369440
Except that's wrong. Unit even says that the Phoenix with her 5 Disciples bring an era greatness for the civilization. When you take away the 5 disciples, the Phoenix goes berserk. The Avengers took away Hopes disciples (the lights).

And then they added in the retarded Iron Fist stuff to "fix" it.

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>>77359927
How he get all telepath bitches?

>>77369530
>Gene Splice
>not Jean Splice
Oh.

>>77369334
Which only happened because the phoenix was forced on people who were never meant to have it by a bunch of idiots who wanted to control it, which fyi history tells us is bad idea.

The phoenix only goes crazy when idiots try to control it.

>>77369315
But she is used goods and lives in a sewer.

>>77369582
>troubled youth
>deeply repressed
>good guy in charge
>keeps hiding his thoughts
>handsome as fuck
You tell me.

>>77369582
His mind is so anal-retentive that psychics feel comfortable in his head instead of having a lot of chaos to sort.
Hell, there are multiple psychic entities locked safely in there.

>>77369483
>Benevolent god(s) (who still chills with his X-peeps like Iceman) that encourages humanity, asks not for adoration, and give tools to be war-free while equip for any endeavor

The only risk that would have been present would be Sinister, and the Avengers butting in with jealousy. Oh wait.....

>>77369568
Say what you will, but i'm glad we got the retarded iron fist shit because of how hilarious that shit was in muh phoenix

>>77369608
>Hell, there are multiple psychic entities locked safely in there.
When he's bored, he goes to play Mario Kart with Apocalypse and Void.
In his babe hotel.

>>77369559
Because of exactly that. You are way too dense to think what would have happened if the Avengers hadn't done anything. If they hadn't interfered, Cyclops would have let the Phoenix take over Hope. Then he would have proceed to ask her to bring back mutants. Of course, the Phoenix has her own agenda. It wants to create her own Utopia. Cyclops wouldn't have been able to do jack once the Phoenix decided that more mutants wasn't what she wanted.

Once again, the only reason more mutants started appearing was because Hope let the Phoenix go. That was why she was special. Not because she could wield its power, but because she she was the only one with the strength to let it go.

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>>77369582
hes that nigga

>>77369593
exactly!!! It'll be alot of work bro, but just imagine after all that work, turning her into the perfect housewife.


>hey baby I'm home, lets bone

>>77369668
I ship Scemma with Betsy.
And Scarlet Witch when I feel hilarious.

>>77369663
Cyclops would have alienated her to be honest.

That or he'd make her turn everyone into a mutant.

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>tfw when owner of an official Panini "Cyclops was right" t-shirt
>tfw I wear it proudly
>movie casuals only ask me "but wasn't he made a c-uckold by Wolverine though"

>>77369704
>When everyone is a mutant, no one will be.

>>77369713
Panini as in... stickers and albums? Not sure what is English term for those things.

Was Ironfist the solution all along or just a pr move by the avengers to save face?

>>77369737
pr solution

the solution all the time was the Scarlet Witch who was casted away by the Vision at the beginning so she wasn't around when the Avengers started behaving like retards.

tl;dr it was all Vision's fault.

>>77369663
No you're the one whose dense, the Phoenix only goes crazy when some dipshit decides that they want to control it, otherwise it's just fine.

The phoenix went insane because the Avengers interferred, if they hadn't have interferred then the phoenix wouldn't have gone insane. Have you ever read X-men before? Because all your saying is just the speculation created by the Avengers, who fyi you shouldn't even be taking with a grain of salt because they don't know what they're talking about.

The shit that you're bringing up actually never would have happened. Again you can't control the phoenix.

>>77369737
it was more of an asspull to be able to hide from the fenix five

>>77369781
>the Phoenix only goes crazy when some dipshit decides that they want to control it
>The phoenix went insane because the Avengers interferred
first you say the Phoenix only goes crazy when some dipshit tries to control it but then you say it went crazy because of the Avengers. newflash, the Avengers weren't trying to control the phoenix. they wanted it to go away. the one who was planning on using the Phoenix (read: dipshit trying to control the Phoenix) to bring back the mutants was Cyclops.

>>77369678
Would she be wearing a maid outfit and using duplicate ribs to hold a child to her breasts while rocking it?

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I'm not even sure if this nigga can legit die.

Because both Sinister and his dead wife will go ape shit and redo everything.

>>77359927
Should have had a threesome with Emma and Storm when he had the chance

>>77369878
Sinister, always looking for best wife for his boy. His disdain for Emma is hilarious.

>>77369878
>When you want to martyr but your ex won't let you.

Whats so special about the Summer's bloodline?

I thought mutant powers were random, but I see mutant kids getting similar abilities to their parents.

>>77369853
Who needs a whole maid outfit? she just wears the apron.

>>77369906
DNA potential. Look at his kids. Omegas, all of them. Wouldn't be surprised if Ruby was Omega, too.
Greatest secret is that Scott and Sue had fling once and nine months later, say hello to Franklin.

>>77369906
God Tier energy manipulation that would create Sinister a weapon to kill Apocalypse. It's all retroactively introduced, Claremont's original idea was that Sinister was just a juvenile little kid with power to make himself look different, and he just wanted to bully Scott. Hence such a corny name Mr. Sinister. It's something only a kid would think is cool.

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hes hilarious and im not sure if he even knows it

>>77369906
scott has an extremely impressive power that just looks like laser beams.

>>77369849
The Avengers interfered anon, multiple times. In fact they're the whole reason why the Phoenix 5 came into existence in the first place was because of the Avengers interfering, aka trying to control the Phoenix which isn't a good idea. Their interference counts as control, which again wasn't something that they should have been doing. They fucked up and caused it to go insane, they were the dipshits trying to get the phoenix to do what they wanted it to. The phoenix was going to bring back the mutants any regardless of what anyone wanted.

>Avengers don't interfere
>Hope gets phoenix with no trouble
>Phoenix doesn't go crazy
>new mutants
It's as simple as that.

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>>77369906
Sinister explained it once

He has the entire power of a dimension in his mind at his disposal but he doesn't tap into his power and hone it. This is why Sinister sent Alex away and kept Scott to himself but Scott ran away because this random girl was having sex with him in his dreams so he subconciosuly went to find her. Pretty sure you know who that girl is.

>>77370025
X-sanction was literally : AvX if the X-men were pussies and handed Hope to the Avengers. And unless ur a filthy casual, then you'd know that even that Kun-lun crap would have done nothing and everyone would have been analed.

>>77370025
>Avengers don't interfere
>Hope gets phoenix with no trouble
>Phoenix doesn't go crazy
>new mutants
all this is just the speculation created by the X-Men. there's no way to know it would have gone like this, why would the phoenix come back all the way to earth just to create mutants, why does it care about stupid mutants only

>>77370102
Phoenix is half mutant on Jean's side.

>>77370102
because >>77369568

Also no mutants = Celestial destroying the earth.

And no earth = no Scott Summers.

Seriously, the Phoenix has a giant flaming boner for Scott.

>>77370102
and the assumption that it would have gone crazy was the assumption of the Avengers, who (1. know absolutely nothing about the phoenix and 2. seem to have an obsession with needing to be the ones to save the day). Sorry if I take one opinion over the other.

Because it's a part of the X-men storyline, connected to evolution.

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>>77370173
have a pic

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>>77359927
He's pretty cool

>>77369894
That he should have done.

>>77359927
I love the guy. Easily one of my favourite Marvel characters.

>>77370318
ha, just read that story today. Was better than I was expecting.

>>77370394
Did you read Dazzler's X-Treme X-Men? It's revealed that 616 Xavier is one of ten evil Xaviers and he was on their hitlist but Cyclops kinda beat them to it.

>>77369909
This is appealing to me. To the drawthread!

>>77368034
>Which is why I am baffled with people defending Scott if the whole event was a blatant attempt to make him look like an obvious evil twirling mustache
Because even if that was the attempt, he was still in the right. Its not what they attempted, its how they executed it. Seems you're too retarded to understand that

>Avengers come to ship hope into space
>Logan comes to kill her
>Both are invading land and international waters with an army of supers
>lol scott should do nothing and let his people get raped and watch his grandaughter die

>>77370432
I like how that never once got brought up when Dazzler joined SHIELD or Scotts team.

Hunting down Scott for killing Xavier, wasn't that why she joined SHIELD?

Fucking Bendis, man.

>>77370267
except this wouldn't have work anymore because the lights weren't united anymore. one was dead and another left Hope side.

>>77370475
I know, right? Simple "hey Scott, know when you killed Xavier? No big deal, he was evil and I'd kill him anyway" would help and lessen guilt.
Bendis is terrible. People can say that Austen was worse, except that Austen wrote literally whos and Bendis wrote both flagship books.

>>77369736
Panini as in the distributor for Marvel comics in Germany, Italy, UK and other Yuro countries. Sometimes they produce official, exclusive Marvel merchandise as well.

>>77370475
She feels bad her cousin Scott is doing bad things. Isn't that enough?

>>77370577
Cousin as in "mutant brothers and sisters" or actual proper cousin?

>>77370523
Typical anti-Bendis brigade. You guys are the worst of the worst. Always crying because Marvels best writer is reinvigorating comics with his top selling stories. I bet you guys are the same idiots crying about the X-men too. Well too bad, his X-men run is highly praised everywhere else like reddit, and will go down as one of the best. Issue 600 took old and boring characters and reinvigorated them into a new progressive age. Glad Extraordinary X-men will continue his plan.

And there is nothing you can do to stop the Bendis train, lol.

>>77370637
No idea. Mutants have convoluted family trees.

>>77370649
Stale pasta.

>>77370671

He's technically correct, Iceman was old and boring...

>>77370775
Iceman is always boring. No amount of dicks he take in ass will change that.

>>77370784
I wish we got more of him and johnny storm

>>77370784
How many dicks WILL bobby take in the ass?

>>77369713

what did wasp do to him, kek him?

>>77370076

but what the hell does that have to do with his kids? I mean mutant powers are suppose to be random. Like Magneto/Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver. Then guess they added polaris because you know...

>>77371043
She's flatscan.

>>77371077
they practically never stick to that rule tho.

>>77371107

writers lack imagination. So to show they are related, they have similar powers.

>>77371040
None. Mutants are a largely sexless bunch these days (perhaps because the target readership is as well?).

Who besides Gambit has an active sex life at this point?

>>77371146
Cypher
Danni ( fearless defenders )
QuickSilver is dating
Psylock with Fantomex
Deadpool

>>77371040
None, unless he gets a solo ongoing

>>77371268
>straight Iceman: nope solo
>gay Iceman: three solo books and Gwenpool level of shilling

>>77371242
Mystique with anybody
Colos-mino
MagikxScott (Bendis trolled it was real)
Angelaura

>>77366548
Hernan was a great Superman for his universe though

>>77371315
Cannonball
Kitty-Quill
Storm with Wolverine before dying
Beast with Abigail

sex and violence is what being a mutant is all about

>>77371582
there is a x-force comics call "sex and violence" if you didnt know

>>77370510
Actually still would have happened.

They went through hell protecting Hope, then the fucking Avengers show up.

>>77369663
>This is what Avengerfags believe
And this is why no one wants to play with you, and you have to steal the characters from other franchises, because Avengers are incapable of creating a successful OC

You know what would be cool?
If we gave Cyclops powers to a chameleon.

>>77371929
Not this shit again.

>>77371929
imagine if a swarm of flies had cyclops' powers. each with compound eyes of course.

Literally the funnest character to play in mvc2 he is extremely. Fast and does crazy backflips and shit

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>>77371995

even blocking his special fucks you up. Pair that mugga with blackheart and it game over

>>77371146
O5 Jean

>horny 18 years old Jean Grey
>separated from her boytoys Hank and Scott
>in college
the question is how many dicks she rode during these 8 months.

>>77372100
None that remember.

>>77372100
Goddamn, the O5 have been in universe for over 19 months. In issue 600 they said it's already been 3 months. Then 8 months later Time Runs Out Happens, and 8 months after that Extraordinary X-men starts.

Fucking shit, the O5 cancer is never going away.

So why the O5? I would've brought a young magneto and tried to train him before he goes apeshit.

>>77372412
Because Beast at this point hates Scott more than Magneto.

>>77372467

now the mugga works for the inhumans. Glad the watcher let him have it for the shit he pulled.

>>77372279
At what point in 600 they say that exactly? I ask because I think it has been more than 3 months since they came. At least a year I would say. Storm did accuse Beast about the stuff he did all that year.

>>77372279
>We're gonna stay and fix the future!
>do fuck all and go to college to feel "normal"

Everything is terrible and the X-Men franchise cannot heal until they are gone.

>>77372553
They can't leave, not anymore. How are they gonna go back in time when they've been aged up by at least 2 years now?

>>77372594
literally just go back in time and stop beast

Cant wait for evil professor x, who in his timeline murdered magneto because xavier thought magneto kidnapped his students

>>77360122
What direction is that?

>>77372656

exactly. Seems like he pulled some war crime shit and now everyone hates him.

>>77372616
Marvel does not have the courage to retcon that entire run while Bendis still works for them.

>>77372621
oh boy evil professor x, we haven't had that crammed down our throats for a decade.

>>77372711

Blame Kitty since was all downhill after she called him a jerk

>>77369215
no more metal arm? So he can use his full powers now?
>>77369288
white eye and no powers because he had to use them constantly to keep the virus from killing him.

>>77372672
Kek.
Well, I hope someone from marvel takes the opportunity to do something good with him and young cyclopes post-secret wars. But I doubt it. Lmao

>>77372705
And they can also just use magic to de-age the characters and send them back for Charles to wipe their minds.

Because it's comic books and they can solve it however they want.

>>77372616
If they do it with a normal time machine it will just create an alternate timeline

If they do it with Doom's machine, it will literally retcon all of Bendis run on X-Men as well as plenty of other things on other books. No way Alonso is letting that happen. It would also retcon Gay Bobby and that's when the 'you know what form you know what web' army will lose it.

>>77372801

young cyclops was a space pirate. he should go back

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>>77372801
hes banging some blonde girl now apparently

>>77371556
Sam I'll give you, the rest are broken up.

>>77372858
goddamn thats a funny page

poor bastard cant catch a break

>>77372858
Premature ejaculation

>>77372831
Yeah I don't understand why they ended Cyclops when sixteen months is a generous buffer for offscreen plot developments to put Scott back into space and restore his dad.

Maybe people wouldn't buy All-New X-Men if it only had three of the Original Five?

>>77372797
I can't remember the reason he didn't use his powers a lot in Spurrier's X-force, I think it might've been because of yet another virus he caught that killed him in a day so he mass cloned himself while keeping his original self cryogenically frozen. He was cured at the end of it so he should have access to his powers.

>>77372874
Did they ever confirm on page that Hank and Abigail broke up? I was rooting for those two.

>>77372874
Abigali-Beast and Kitty-Quill aren't broken up.

>>77372831
Definitely. >>77372901
Tbh the only reason I read all new was to see how everyone treated young cyke. Didn't give a fuck about the other 4.

>>77372806
>Because it's comic books and they can solve it however they want.
Like that /co/mrade said, they will never undo anything Bendis did. It's been 3 years and they've dug too deep to turn back now.

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>>77372949
Well considering Abigail was all for team Rightclops, Beast might break up with her.

>>77373371
But that's speculation broh. Maybe Hank loves Abigail more than he hates Scott.

inb4 "but that's impossible"

>>77372874
none of them are broken, not even Storm with Logan as Lemire said there will be some stuff between her and OML in EXM.

baka

I miss longshoot

>>77373620
Not a mutant so he got booted

>>77373651
He married Dazzler if that count

>>77373757
Black Panther on the X-Men when?