Is Harley Quinn the most woobied character in comics? I can't

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Aside from her being very appealing to casuals
She is funny and outlandish
While also being sympathetic due to being an abuse survivor

Its like the casual lottery all rolled into one and DC doesn't care if she's a hero or villain as long as she makes them money
The people who write her call her an anti villain now

I've never been a fan of harley so this weird "lol she's a good guy, still commits awful horrific crimes but don't worry, she's good" thing to be utterly confusing.

I don't understand the appeal of the character at all and she isn't funny, she's LOLSORANDUMB I HAS A SPORK tier and yet someone out there is eating that shit up.

>tihihi, I see her panties XDDD
>I can't imagine any other villain getting a pass for all the bad shit
Magneto.
>They clearly view her as a hero by and large
Waifuism.
>She's a main character in DC superhero girls marketed towards kids
Don't care.
>She's a hero in the comics
Everyone is hero in their own comic.
>In the new blockbuster movie she is the main character who is going to save the world with mischief
Sure, whatever rocks your boat.

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She's a good person who suffers from mental illness onset by her abuser the joker
She has an easy out to be good or bad

>>77320691
>There are people who actually believe that without the Joker she would be sane

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>>77320558
Largely its just injustice
She is still somewhat a villain in Suicide Squad although they are pushing it by making her save kids ineffectually

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>>77320707
well she was sane without the Joker
Her falling in love with him made her crazy

>>77320558
DC did the right thing by making her appeal to as many people as possible
If they just kept her as a villain after all the interest the arkham games drummed up for her they would basically be ruining her character

>>77320732
>implying becoming a psychological doctor by fucking professors for good grades is the thought process of a sane human being

>>77320707
There are also people that think Gotham would be better without Batman and that all his rogue wouldn't exist without him.

>>77320773
lalalala I can't hear youuu

>>77320773
She could fuck her way through undergrad but to become an actual doctor
that is impossible
So yeah

>>77320712
>Largely its just injustice
>nuke Metropolis
>Joker dead
>she get's to be on Batman's side

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>>77320773
did you think people didn't do this? or are you saying that you have to be crazy to do this because both are wrong

She was created to be inserted into capeshit as an OC waifu, what do you expect?

>>77320839
>nuke Metropolis
Joker and Superman did that
>Joker dead
Murdered by Superman
>she get's to be on Batman's side
desperate allies for desperate times

Whenever a character gets over, it makes sense to make them a face so you can push them and the audience can follow their adventures.

That's why in Batman Brave and The Bold one of the episodes had the Joker team up with Batman.

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>>77320839
Yes Injustice is the main title where they ignore all the bad things she's done to make her heroic

>>77320904
wrestling comparison doesn't really work
I mean Joker is more popular than all villains at DC he won't get to be on the JL like Luthor though

I've wondered before about Harley, and how the Joker made her insane.
I like the idea that she was manipulated for the sole purpose of a particular break out from Arkham, and that she proved too useful (to his surprise) to discard afterwards.
So how was she made crazy?
What if she were affected by some altered Joker toxin? Look at how she acts: Sanity and rational thought are severely effected, loss of emotional control, complete loss of morals, a childlike attitude, and an utter devotion to Joker.
I don't care what he talked about in various sessions with her, that level of mind break doesn't come from talking to someone.
I think he effects her like a drug. Moments can shock her back into a temporary sanity (usually him doing something horrific to her), and she reacts by pulling away from him. For a short time, you see her start to stabilize to a small degree, even regain aspects of morality and rational thought. And then, like a heroin addict kept away from her fix, she starts going down hill, and fast. She will do anything to get back to the Joker, and when she does she experiences utter euphoria, no matter how poorly he treats her.
He didn't talk her into being crazy and loving him. He drugged her in a way that leaves her broken, exposed, and addicted, to him.
Injustice is a great example of this: she was stabilizing, becoming a better person, even became an ally to Batman, of all people. Superman thought she was enough of a threat to send Lobo after her. What happened to Nightwing left her genuinely effected. She became close, in a way, to Ollie and Canary. Fast forward to the game, and what happens? Joker shows up, and all that is gone. Drug effect kicks back in.

>>77320558
>I can't imagine any other villain getting a pass for all the bad shit she's done with personality and humor

I can't think of anyone who didn't get the retcon-absolutation at least six times.

>>77320929
>Luthor
How much is New 52 Lex evil? I didn't read much of New 52 Superman.

>>77320932
You don't read Batman or Harley Quinn books for that matter do you?

Didn't she like, kill hundreds of kids with booby-trapped toys or something?

>>77320861
Are you retarded?

>>77320972
He's more evil doctor doing experimentation at the start and then became evil businessman who got ted kord's dad killed

>>77321031
That was a dream.

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She's the Joker's waifu

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I don't mind Harley having sympathetic traits but I also think that at her core Harley just isn'ta very good person. Insane characters should their craziness as an extension of their personality.

>>77320712
She's good in Suicide Squad because they're writing her like she's actually got fucking problems not "lol I'm so crazy I live with an egg and a talking beaver"

>>77321310
NU52 Harley is an abomination.
Then again, I have exceptionally low opinions on NU52 as a whole.
Except Wonder Woman. I've enjoyed that.

>>77320848
You'd have to be crazy to do it. People are going to come to you and you won't know shit when it comes to helping them. It's selfish, immature, and dangerous. It's a lack of human compassion, which is a formof insanity.

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>>77321108
She wishes

>>77320558
What makes her progressively pitiable is that for all her sexualization, she's probably in her mid-to-late thirties most of the time and her various mental illnesses have her act about half (if not less) her age in a rather pitiable manner.

Meh. Every generation has its Hulk, Punisher, Venom or Deadpool type bad guy that gets crazy popular. Her time will pass same as the others.

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Didn't Harley in the nu52 rig a portable game to explode with a patch, that killed like... Hundreds of kids?

I remember flipping through a tradeback of suicide squad and finding that... Being like, "Whut?"

>>77321743
>Hulk
oh my god crack open a comic book or something

>>77321749
Yes, but people deem it noncanon because it conflicts with their idea of Harley being a "din do nuffin" character.

>>77320773

Why wouldn't a sane person fuck their way to an easy grade if they had the ability to?

>>77320640
>everyone is a hero in their own comic
Fred was not a hero in Superior Foes, no one was.

>>77321749
It was extremely out of character so it got immediately ignored.

>>77324017
morality, ethics, and a sense of integrity?

>>77324017
Weakness, son.

When you rely on such scant tactics as opposed to more expansive ones, you breed your own weakness, propagating your own downfall.

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>>77320691
>She's a good person

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>>77324537
>Its a I define someone elses morality post

>>77324200
>implying
everyone was rooting for them to win and have a happy ending. They were the good guys in their book

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>>77324945
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>77321108
>>77321601

I'm pretty sick of harley quinn. She was somewhat interesting at first but now she is merely an abomination. they just keep adding on stuff without considering what was already there. just let her get hit by a fucking bus driven by doom at this point.

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>>77325028
>Nigger Twitter

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>>77325038
>Doomfag complaining about Harley

I imagine her being outed as bi really helped too.

>>77320691
Harley killing Lobo

Biggest blunder in the comic industry after Squirrel girl and Memepool.

>>77325077
not even a doomfag but I knew I would trigger you by merely mentioning his name

She's only a woobie in the sense that people mitigate the bad things she does because she's funny and cute

Its almost like a more popular version of Jason Todd or the Punisher

>>77320691
>good person
>murders people for no specific reason
>commits various other heinous crimes

There are villains who aren't inhrently bad people in DC, like most of the Rogues or even Black Adam. Harley's not really one of them. I honestly wish Lisa got the push and was always painted as sympathetic instead but on the other hand I don't want a bikini Golden Glider

>>77320605
So, by that logic, she's popular for all the same reasons Deadpool is?

>>77320906
So this comic would have me believe she is strong enough to RIP someone's head off?

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>>77325108
>Meme character gets killed
>its terrible
no anon

>>77325153
She took the super pills. This comic takes place in the Injustice universe

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>>77325132
>good person
>murder's bad people
>struggles with mental health issues
>constantly abused by lover
yeah

>>77320691
>Harley kills lobo

But can't lobo survive without his head

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>>77321108
I love how she goes in for a kiss and he just laughs in her face.

That'll teach the whore to respect a man's privacy.

>>77325140
deadpool is popular because he references pop culture
the closest Harley has come to that humor is >>77320906

>>77320773
That's not even the worst part, in the 2001 comics other than fucking her professor she came up with a "social experiment" that consisted in secretly feeding her boyfriend doses of the Joker's poison just to see if the power of love could overcome the craziness (or something along that line, can't remember the precise objective)

>>77321363
>Except Wonder Woman. I've enjoyed that
>Enjoying Finches Wonder Woman
You sicken me.

>>77324881
Sounds like you're confusing hero with protagonist.

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>>77325267
ultimate troll

>>77325153
If you don't read injustice or know about the game then yeah everyone is strong enough to do that now

>>77325161
What are you talking about? Harley didn't get killed.

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I'd like to know why people complain about Cap Cold getting to show up in a small supporting role in JL because that's forced apparently but see no problem with showing Harley as a hero even though Cold is pretty consistently showcased as a good person who had a shitty life and had to turn to crime because of that in a much longer publication history than Harley.

Don't pull the abuse card on me because it's been established that both Cold and his sister were abused by their father decades ago.

>>77325394
Who complained about that?

>>77325394
Captain Cold is muh code the villain
He is like catwoman more than anything in that he steals money instead of killing people like Harley

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>>77325394
It looks so wierd by itself

>>77325436
...have you not seen the average JL storytime post-Forever Evil?

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>>77320558
I find her to be the most obnoxious character in comics. She is in no way a hero. She's a mass-murdering psychopath who will kill you for inconveniencing her. She also always gets her way and somehow is a master combatant because she took gymnastics in high school, which is nonsensical even for comics.

Her only endearing trait is that she serves to expose the shallowness of the comic fans who enjoy her books.

>>77325479
..........I don't use the storytime threads

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>>77325224
>good person
Not at all.
>murder's bad people
She murders people period. Remember how she stuffed a woman in a baggage because her luggage had been misplaced? Also, educate yourself on the correct use of apostrophes.
>struggles with mental health issues
Debatable.
>constantly abused by lover
She hasn't been with her "lover" since the beginning of New 52.

>>77320558
>Is Harley Quinn the most woobied character in comics?
>I can't imagine any other villain getting a pass for all the bad shit she's done with personality and humor
Let me introduce you to a man named Peter Parker.

>>77325394
Cold is not a hero he is paid by Luthor as his bodyguard
Another villain paying another villain to do a job is not heroic

Harley at least does good things out of the kindness of her heart while Cold is just an asshole

>>77320558
>woobied

What does this mean? My English is not so good.

>>77325468
He's more like a less ruthless Bane than Catwoman, imo, but yeah, his entire character is basically "muh moral code" and "gotta protect muh sister and muh crew". to be fair that's why I like him, though

>>77325505
He wasn't getting paid during Forever Evil

>>77324881
Didn't even check em.... also, The Hood was the bad guy in his own comic, as was Joker and Lex, also the whole team MODOK put togeather for MODOK's eleven. Also Dark Avengers and most of the "Avengers" titles during Dark Reign, Carnage was the villain in every one of his comics except for Carnage-Man.

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>>77325485
>neckbeard the post

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>>77320691
Never forget.

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>>77325505
>I've never read a Rogues comic: the post

>>77320773
Man, if I could have fucked my way to a good mark on my third-year project, you can goddamn bet I would have.

>>77325549
>checking dubs
call me when he gets trips or above

>>77325495
So abusing a dog isn't bad?
fucking hell

>>77325530
because he was getting revenge on the csa it wasn't done out of altruism

>>77325627
Of course it is! We should string up every dog abuser and drag them through the streets at high speeds!

>>77325336
>lusting after someone who clearly isn't into you or women at all
Yeah, I'm sure you'd be all over the idea of someone you find repulsive wanting your dick.

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>>77325595
please show me a comic where captain cold saved christmas
I'll wait

>>77325498
Landis pls

>>77325627
how is he abusing a dog? he has it on a leash like a sane dog owner.

>>77325666
just like he did that poor dog for its entire life

>>77325705
>animals wake up
>freak out and attack the strange old people in front of them.

gj harley

>>77325505
>went againist the Cryme Syndicate because he doesn't want to murder innocents
>doesn't get along with most other supervillains because they murder innocents

And let's talk about stuff from before Flashpoint...
>the only people he'd murder in cold blood were his own abusive father and guy who killed his sister and taunted him about it
>takes care of mentally unstable friend even though they've started as rivals
>enforces strict moral code for Rogues
>does as much as he can to protect his sister

Cold isn't a precious snowflake who did no wrong and is hardly hero material but he's far from lacking any positive sides. He's definitely an asshole, though that doesn't really have much to do with morals.

>>77320558

It's because she really hasn't done wrong. Loving the Joker isn't a crime and only edgelord writers try to inject some evil in her when it's canon she is a nice girl.

>>77325732
Where's the proof of that?

>>77325715
He was dragging it or something in the page before
>>77325732
that's a nice assumption

>>77325627
How the fuck was that dog abused exactly? Because it was on a leash and too lazy to walk? You have no idea what abuse is or how exactly most Americans treat their pets.

Stop trying to justify your fictional waifu's nonexistent purity.

>>77325755
here we go

>>77325756
oh so you didn't read the comic where the hipster douche is dragging the dog along irreverently

>>77325755
kill yourself tripfag

>>77320558
this is an elaborate setup to a deadbaby joke isn't it?

>>77320558

Nah, this cunt needs to die. She only got this angle because deep down she appeals to all those Hot Topic girls that consider themselves hardcore.

>>77325809
for it's whole life?

>>77325770
if you force your dog to do something or don't even pay attention to its sadness while doing it
Its abuse
You get the cops called on you for less than what was shown in the issue.

>>77325809
That doesn't mean he did it for its entire life. Congratulations, you're the kind of bleeding heart moron that this book wants.

I wonder, could it be that the very people defending this character are suffering from a severe mental illness themselves?

It's rare that I see anyone so dedicated to swaying others into accepting their skewered viewpoint.

>>77320558
>That outfit

You would be arrested for public indecency if you actually went out and wore your shorts like that. I hate this hypersexualized Harley, they're just ruining what little character she had.

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>>77324610
Wow she's really, really cute here. Is it worth a read?
>>77324251
>>77322480
Doesn't really seem fair to define a character when you just pick and choose what things they did to accept as your headcanon

>>77320558
does harley actually dress like that? fucking awful.

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/co/ unironically hating Harley Quinn now is hilarious
Its like oh no tumblr likes Harley better pretend I always hated her to not look like a casual

>>77325874
What was he supposed to do? Wait for the dog to feel like moving? Carry it the whole way? Also you have a pretty fucking retarded definition of abuse.

>>77325959
>/co/ is 50 people
It all depends on the time and day you come here anon

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>>77325908
nobody cares about swaying others
idiots apparently decided its edgy or appropriate to hate harley because tumblr is misrepresenting her character or whatever.

>>77325959
What was the side padding on his legs for?

>>77325664
Wanting to save his city, sister and friends sounds pretty altrustic to me... Rogues Revenge and that arc with the guy who shot Glider pre-flashpoint were when he was shown as going against other villains due to vendetta, in FE he and Bizarro were the most altruistic people around.

>>77325988
No you apparently view animals as beneath you and feel nothing about their comfort or emotions

>>77325908
Nope, the only character with whom it's the case is Hank Pym as far as I can tell. Pretty much every Pym thread here ends with people talking about getting therapy for own mental problems, at least.

>>77325908
Her defense force mainly consists of yuri and waifufags.

>>77326077
Nice assumption. You're on a roll.

>>77326077
Two wrongs don't make a right anon. Harley saw him dragging the dog, sure thats wrong. But then she went on to drag him through the streets into traffic at high speeds, and it's played for a laugh.

Bane and Riddler deserve to be shown as heroes more than Harley out of Bat-villains alone.

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>>77326183
This

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>>77326183
.....Bane?

>>77326183
I heard Riddler had a pretty good detective series at one point.

>>77326183
>no new Detective Riddler series with Bane as the muscle

Didn't she murder a bunch of kids?

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>>77326338
Whatever do you mean anon?

>>77320640
Magneto did nothing wrong

>>77320558
Reminder that that Harley is responsible for orphaning that baby by murdering Lois Lane with The Joker and driving Superman insane.

>>77326294
He did, then they've decided to make him a villain out of blue again, then New 52 happened.

Bane was great in Secret Six too.

Personally I think Man-Bat has some hero potential too. Man-Bat/Bizarro team-up would be hilarious to watch.

>>77326183
Ridler is Dr. Rape now that DC killed off the original Dr. Rape.

>>77326305
>no BatBane ongoing with Riddler as Oracle

>>77326376
Superman killed Lois anon
Harley and Joker only made him believe he was fighting doomsday because he's so kill happy

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>>77326423
>There will never be a elseworlds cop drama staring the arkham inmates as member of the downtown precinct
>no Commissioner Bane
>No Detective Riddler and his partner Cluemaster
>no science shenanigans with Mr Freeze and Man-Bat
>No mayor Penguin
>No Harley and Jonathan as therapists and criminal profilers

>>77326551
Why can't they ever do stories like that and just play them straight instead of "Suprise Batman, Scarecrow poured a bunch of wacky new goofball serum all over his dick and made you suck it! None of this is really happening, ooooooo spoooooky!"

>>77326628
I guess no one is interested in that stuff anymore

>>77326628
because these are serious comics for serious readers.

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>>77320558
Harley Quinn is a very big case of "We like Harley Quinn. Except for most of the things about Harley Quinn" characterizations. Really, from series to series the only consistant parts of her character are.
>She jokes around a lot
>She's acrobatic
>Black/red color scheme
>She and the Joker had some sort of relationship.

Other than that people tend to just portray her character however the fuck they want without much remorse. She's villainous, selfless, a victim, an oppressor, a murder, a philanthropist, a lunatic, a genius, a hero, an antihero, a nuetral party, a love struck girl, A cautionary tale, Completely independent, an unobtainable reward, a promiscuous slut, a respectful tease, a powerful fighter, a subpar combatant.

And while I'm sure this is true for basically EVERY comic book character ever from writer to writer, with Harley Quinn it seems even more apparent because there's so many aspects of her fanbase that only love one specific iteration/portrayal of her. Harley Quinn can basically be whoever you want as long as you keep those 4-5 key things about her character in tact.

>>77326551
>there will never be an elseworld where the characters who are villains in the main continuity became heroes and formed the JL
>El Santo-style lucha supernatural investigator Bane
>Black Adam who never became corrupted in any form
>Sinestro who never left the GL corps
>science adventurer T. O. Morrow
>vigilante detective Riddler
>speedster Golden Glider (and Commisioner Cold)

>>77325241
>>77325108
He survived

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>>77326758
Why must you torture me so?

>>77325108
>implying decapitation kills the main man
casual

>>77326753
This is a great explanation. Can we end the thread, now?

>>77327148
I don't feel that we have shit on harley enough yet. Continue, gentlemen.

>>77326758
Shit that's a dope idea

>>77325713
Enjoying your "hero" who sold his daughter to Satan, anon?

Or maybe you prefer Le So Wacky Deadpool, who's just like Harley but gets a pass because ???

Or how about the Avengers? Didn't they deliberately destroy Earth recently?

>>77327230
>dedpool gets a pass
um are we browsing the same board

>>77325917
Well get used to it, because literally every serial comic character more than six years old has stories that get ignored. DC itself doesn't acknowledge that story at all.

>>77327355
>replying to it
why?

>>77326822
I'm suprirsed something like this didn't happen yet. Stories where the heroes are villains are common but apart from once in a while showing alternate universe Rogues as cops, villain role reversal almost never happens. Gods and Monsters hardly counts.

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>>77327476
>Gods and Monsters hardly counts.
>Not Crisis on Two Earths
>Not remembering the Jester's sacrifice
Shame on you.
SHAME ON YOU ALL!

>>77327230
so much denial

>>77327673
>Harley was a monkey
kek

>>77327756
>not putting a bullet in her
Is the GCPD just scared that Batman will beat them up for killing one of his playthings? jesus

>>77327865
based on that image I'd put something in her alright

>>77327898
same

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>>77327912

>>77326077
dogs need exercise just like human beings. If the dog balks or sits then so what, its not like your taking the dog on the Trail of Tears or a forced death march, its called exercise which all dogs need. I know dog owners that don't take their pets for walks at all those dogs are some of the most restless and unhealthy pets I know.

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>>77325754
>his own abusive father
even then, he got heatwave to do it for him.

>>77327673
I always wondered what Jester's role was. Batman's?

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>>77328113

>>77328113
Cold looked so old in this run

>>77325317
Not him, but clearly Azz you azz.

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>>77325526
Some TVTropes term. OP used it wrong though.

Its a character who gets shit on constantly and doesn't deserve it. Long-suffering characters, like Peter Parker or Lee Everett.
Woobies don't deserve it, at least not at first although some go crazy and become villains later on.

Jesus of Christianity is a good example Woobie.

>>77325576
Didn't happen.

She was explicitly delusional in the 52, and no other character at any point was involved with it despite being a major event so clearly it was only in her head.

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>>77326753
There's three major origins for her.

Bruce Timm's has her as a manipulative sleazebag who was manipulated and turned into an infantile unhinged anarchist.

The later one in the comics had her as a sociopath who was manipulated into servitude by a better sociopath.

The one that the people who see her as sympathetic go with is this one, who suffered a nervous breakdown which resulted in a dissociation disorder where she no longer feels responsibility or shame due to defining herself by others.

>>77327828
Harley was the name of a monkey because in his origin story, the real Harley was his manager when he was a stand-up comedian who made fun of Owlman. Owlman chopped her up and forcefed her corpse to him, and he lost his mind which resulted in him spending his life ridiculing Owlman and ensuring nobody feared him.

>>77327865
If the GCPD did anything right, there wouldn't be any costumed lunatics in the first place.

>>77328135
It was implied pretty heavily that Jester and Lex where the Batman and Superman analogues of that earth.

>>77325915
>You would be arrested for public indecency if you actually went out and wore your shorts like that

Where the fuck do you live where that would be the case? I've seen chicks dress similar to that all the time and nobody gives a shit.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with how she's dressed there.

>>77328899
Double checked em!

So, does DC stand for Damage Control then? Because that's a pussy ass move on DC's part
>that horrible thing that popular character did that one time was just a dream, silly readers.

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We all can agreed that Poison Ivy is better person for Harley, right?

Harley Quinn is marketable to overweight women who wear too much makeup and don't read comics.

And when you're THAT marketable, it doesn't really matter what your actual "character" is.

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>>77329627
>We all can agreed that Poison Ivy is better person than Harley, right?

ftfy

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>>77329491
It only happened because the team who was working on her had one last issue before they passed her off to the team that was doing her solo book, so they decided to wreck the character in that issue and cause a mess for the other team.

They didn't get a chance to see what the issue was, and were writing based on the issues previously and so it was never referenced.

According to various writers and artists, including Azarello and Liefeld, DC editorial doesn't actually do editorial anymore. They are just the managers who pass down the demands from the corporate heads on what must be in the book or what must not be. If it fits their guidelines, it passes. There's also poor communication and planning. Liefeld said that entire books end up having to be rewritten and redrawn/inked/colored with entirely different stories to fit them into something some other team decided to do so there'd be a crossover with another book, although how that crossover was supposed to work was left to both teams independently to figure out so it didn't even end up going together. On top of that, everyone involved wasn't paid for additional work, and basically did double the job for the original pay.

Some others have said Marvel works basically the same way, but even more independent/"nobody on the right knows what the people on the left are doing" than DC.

>>77329690
Well, that and those of us who have clown fetishes.

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>>77329692
No

>>77320732
No, she fell in love with him because she was crazy. Joker didn't make her that way.

>>77329627
They are both criminals and should stay in prison. They only get a pass because LOL LESBIANS! and other retardeds tuff.

Same for Catwoman.

>>77329770
But you can't deny that both of them have a chemistry similar to other bromances like Blue & Gold and Super and Bats

>>77329770
The only acceptable explanation for Ivy not being portrayed in completely negative light would be pushing the "mini avatar of the Green" angle more but this won't ever happen outside of Swamp Thing and her arc in JLU.

>>77329692
Wait, when was this?

>>77329807
Swamp Thing and Ivy had more of a bromance chemistry than Ivy and Harley. This is neckbeard bait ship and shouldn't even count as pushing an agenda since it only ever serves as eye candy.

>>77329868
JLU, like 3 months ago.

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>>77329896
>Swamp Thing and Ivy had more of a bromance chemistry than Ivy and Harley

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>>77329770
>>77329896

>>77329968
ebin

>>77320932
Read Mad Love. Or watch the Mad Love episode of BTaS. There, answers.

>>77320932
She was already crazy before ever meeting Joker.

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Disregard topic at hand.
Post Harley & Ivy

>>77329770
What did Catwoman do that was so wrong?

>>77329627
Holy porn tracing, Batbrain

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>>77320558
>120 KB JPG
>Is Harley Quinn the most woobied character in comics?
>I can't imagine any other villain getting a pass for all the bad shit she's done with personality and humor

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>>77330601
You recognise that picture?

>>77320972
>How much is New 52 Lex evil? I didn't read much of New 52 Superman.

His most well-known crimes are trying to blow up Superman with lasers and missiles and repeatedly jailbreaking

His unknown crimes include lots of murder, including one chick who he chucked off a building because she didn't play ball

>>77328872
Well, to be fair, even Biblical Jesus could be a bit of a dick sometimes. And historical Jesus sounded an awful lot like a troublesome political dissident. Still, neither of those warrants being beaten and crucified.

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>>77330803
>>77330821
Shush now. This is now a Harley & Ivy thread

>>77330656
No.

Ivy looks like Jameson though.

>>77330790
This was SUCH a good comic.

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>>77330886
It wouldn't be weird if some fan-artist started drawing Ivy like some porn star. Her main weapon is seducing people

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>>77330948
Yeah, Li'l Gotham have some good issues, like the seasonal Ivy, or the missing turkey issue

>>77329711
And I just keep on checkin' em!
That seems really lazy for the creative team that followed Bomber Terrorist Harley Quinn, rather than actually work off of that stpry, and try and have her work towards redemption they goes, LOL nope, twas a dream all along! I would much rather read about her coming to terms with how much of a monster she really is, and use that realization to move her away from Joker (because really, it's all his fault) and start trying to act a hero.

>>77320558
Didn't she kills hundreds of people, including children, by putting bombs in video games?

>>77329013
so you are saying she is Batman without being a billionaire.

>>77327756
looks like a porn costume

>>77331176
They didn't even know about the terrorist story, they were told to start working while the team was finishing the run.

You can't reference something you didn't know was going to happen.

They knew that, which is why they wrote that story. It was a middle finger to the next team taking the job.

>>77331239
see
>>77329711

From a meta perspective, it was one group of writers pissing in the pool before the next group could get to work since they knew the second group wouldn't even know about it when their own issue came out.

From an in-universe perspective, Harley is delusional as hell and no other character ever referenced it happening meaning it was probably all in her mind.

Should I post more or is /co/ against Harley & Ivy?

>>77321484
Lack of human compassion and not being able to think if the big picture like that could be some form of autism or aspergers.

>>77332004
post more on /aco/ and link the thread to us

>>77331713
Yeah, it's pretty great, isn't it?

Timm Harley is fine, but it's some big joke that people dick-ride the Arkham games when they introduced some terrible designs, especially for Harley.

I give a pass to Injustice Harley, she has chemistry.

>>77332030
>/aco/
Haha no.

>>77331905
A simple "X Months ago" to tie everything in wouldn't have been so bad, or hard to do, or needed an abundant amount of pages, instead it feels like they just went full Bendis and just didn't even try. If the creative team before was giving their predecessors the middle finger, a great response would have been taking their phoned in, half-assed story and making something good out of it. I get that they didn't know that that was going to happen, but to just say "Oh, that was just a dream" puts them down on the same level as the asshats that came before them.

>>77320605
>While also being sympathetic due to being an abuse survivor

Who always comes back for more abuse and can't really live without somebody else to tell her what to do.

>>77332167
Well we all know he's coming back but J is dead like he should be, for now.

>>77325959
I think the real issue is the push to make a villain a positive role model and ignore the evil shit she's done.
Liking a well written villain isn't an issue.
Pretending they're a hero because liking fictional characters who do bad things is an issue.

>>77326033
Medieval archer armor.

>>77331176
You call them dubs you newfag.

>>77320640
>Don't care.
Well then you can go now.

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>>77325485
this

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>>77320558

>>77334054
Didn't this picture also had a text that explained that Batman has really in Arkham Asylum and the the rogue gallery was his doctors and that everything was in his head?

>>77334054
Except that's bullshit. Her entire personality revolves around dependency, and whenever she's away from him she shows strong attraction to clowns independent of Joker.

>>77334054
kek

>>77334164
>and whenever she's away from him she shows strong attraction to clowns independent of Joker.

Are you saying that Ivy is a clown?

>>77334301
No, but in both Gotham City Sirens and the 52 Harley has a fetish for clowns even though she has resolved to be forever independent of him.

>>77334383
Can you refresh my memory? , the only attraction that Harley had in Sirens was for Bruce (which in reality was a disguised Hush)

>>77334888
I hope the Squad movie at least has some reference to Ivy. But I know it won't, Dammit Will!

>>77332167
Is that supposed to make me not sympathize with her because that is the cycle of abuse

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>>77320558
>Why is Harley even called a villain anymore?
She's not. That's just stubbornness on your part. She's chaotic good in the comics now. Has been for several years.

>>77335279
chaotic good people don't murder children.

>>77325917
>Wow she's really, really cute here. Is it worth a read?
It's decent enough if you can stomach her forced catch-phrases. Numerous variations of "Holee molee". The humor is mostly slapstick.

>>77335198
>>77335220
Never gets old

>>77327756

What is this from? Did she actually wear a Harlequin outfit in one of the Arkham games?

>>77335833
Arkham Knight DLC, I think it is "A Matter of Family"

>>77335386
>forced catch-phrases. Numerous variations of "Holee molee"

This. This and the constant yiddish/jewish from the old dude in the wheelchair stopped being funny a LONG time ago.

On the other hand: where else are you gonna read about Pop-eye going full Hyde via gamma powered seaweed?

>>77327865
>putting a bullet inside her

You're a fucking monster.

Harley like every other character has 2 defining traits and everything else is up to interpretation leading to extremely drastic takes between writers where anything goes. Anyone who reads comics expecting consistency is a sap.

>>77325549
He was the villain in Carnage-Man too, just accidentally.

>>77325601
And if people kept saying that meant you were intelligent I would correct them.

>>77321035
Are you? She was invented in the animated series and was so popular read 'such a waifu' that she became canon.

>>77337821
No way man, he totally saved that woman and everything. Civilians just couldn't handle his righteous form of crime fighting!

>>77337885
I wish my OTP became canonby sheer will force

>>77327756
>>77335833
>>77335872

I just can't believe it's not a selectable skin nor one you can see in the character showcase. Aside from bats she's one of the most detailed characters in the game.

>>77338007
Every once in a while you hit upon that iconic character that everyone wishes they either WERE or WERE FUCKING.

Harley filled a hole no one realized was there, girls put her on their purses and facebook pages and guys put her in their spank bank.

>>77338043
Didn't Rocksteady released a patch that you could select her in Challenge Missions? If not you could always do model swap for free roam, just check ArkhamVideos Youtube Channel

>>77338077
more like I filled a hole your mum didn't even know was there

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Sales forgive all sins.

>>77338457
Didn't they say that the comic never happened?

>>77338457
Why is Poison Ivy there

>>77332710
but she's always been like that imo
the only difference now is that her popularity merits her not just being tied to the Joker in his villainous schemes

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>>77334054
what fanfic is this?

>>77338511
Because you can't have Harley without Ivy. You can't have Ivy without Harley, its the whole package or nothing

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Harley used to kill kids
now she mentally scars them for life
Its okay though she has mental health issues and means well
She's a nice lady and hero above it all

>>77338756
Didn't she also got affected by that?

>>77338798
maybe a little since she actually saw how afraid she made the kids
ultimately a lot of people have to remember Harley has a mental illness she cannot fathom that she isn't doing good all the time

>>77338756

Ungrateful little shits, they wouldn't be scarred if it were a police man shooting down the bad guys.

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>>77338756
>hero above it all
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, anon.

>>77338853
If that saying is true then, the road to heaven is paved with bad intentions?
Interesting

>>77338884
No
Why would it just be the opposite

>>77339349
Beeeeecause that would the logic? I dunno. I was just trying to be a smartass

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>>77325485
100% agree.

>>77325485
She's probably killed less people than Jason Todd at this point but yeah, I don't find her very funny or endearing and the fact that she seems to "win" a lot despite not doing anything to earn it other than being an established character with tits is pretty grating.

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>>77335198
>>77335220
That sure does ruin her character!

>>77325200
>yfw he still gave her a D

>>77338091
>>77338043

That costume for Harley and Arkham Knight skin for Red Hood will be avaliable soon.

>>77325394
Captain Cold gets a pass because he's a villain with a code of ethics that's in it purely for the money than anything else and would go out of his way to prevent senseless deaths.

>>77335047
>Is that supposed to make me not sympathize with her because that is the cycle of abuse

there's also so far you cans stretch sympathy and hers ran out a long time ago when she started killing people.

>>77326364
Didio and Bendis deserve eachother.

>>77326753
So, both Harely Quinn and Terry (Beyond Batman) are both cartoon original characters.

I think the lesson is don't let DC actually incorporate cartoon characters into their actual comics.

>>77342215
Add Erica Henderson to that threeway.

>>77342232
>Terry dead
>Tim is Batman Beyond
>Harley dead
>Joker's Daughter grabs the spotlight?

>>77339874
Way to miss the point.

>>77342215
Bendis?

>>77342232
>>77342263
Terry will always get fucked over because he's a legacy character, meaning it's harder for him to stand on his own. Harley can survive based on sheer recognition, as shown by the new Suicide Squad runs and her eponyomous series which created new supporting characters and situations and still found success. But with Terry, you have to establish Neo Gotham, the state of the batfamily, the rest of the future, etc before you can even introduce him. That encourages grasps for reader's attention to look past all the infodump stuff which results in Hush Beyond or Futures End.