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Ryo a best.
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>>3119454
Someone needs to update this
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>>3119622
I remember a better chart in another format that was more complete but no idea where I have it. And even there I believe some were missing.
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I like seeing Shinji happy
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I left these threads about 6 months ago because they made me so depressed. Glad to see they are still going strong, though.
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>>3120281
Why did they make you depressed?
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>>3120607
Horrible loneliness.
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Why people say Shinji/Asuka is canon? Sorry, never read the manga but I do like him with Kaworu a lot.
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>>3120657
Because he's canonically sexually attracted to her in the anime and people are homophobic retards who think that wanting to dick someone is necessarily more of a romantic "relationship" than an explicit confession of love.
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I love Shinji so much.
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>>3120657
It's only some autists in the Western fanbase who say that, it's funny seeing them constantly get BTFO by the Eva staff though.
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>>3120691
>Because he's canonically sexually attracted to her in the anime and people are homophobic retards who think that wanting to dick someone is necessarily more of a romantic "relationship" than an explicit confession of love.

but according to wiki, Shinji told her that he "wants to be with her forever" and tried to kiss her when she slept
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>>3121154
Now I'm reading all about it and it seems like it was explicitly stated numerous times that Shinji and Kaworu had romantic, homosexual feelings towards each other but fans talk about "unclear nature", are being speculative about it when the matter is certain and openly discuss other tortuously substantiated explanations of their relationship, non of which was explicitly supported by the authors

>Little is known of Kaworu's motivations for representing an idealized friend to Shinji Ikari. His interest in Shinji might have stemmed from his interest in human nature in general, Shinji representing a prime example of human pain and loneliness. Apart from very quickly understanding Shinji's personality, he understood Shinji as Shinji had been wanting someone to do for a long time and was interested in Shinji's welfare without asking anything in return. He does seem to consider meeting Shinji as extremely significant after listening to what Shinji has to say about himself and his relation to his father during his overnight stay in Kaworu's room. Kaworu's proclamation of love proved he did care for Shinji, and was also presented when he allowed Shinji to kill him so humanity could survive. Later, Shinji confesses to have also loved Kaworu, indicating how the feeling was mutual, and their relationship leading to be potentially romantic.

it can get even better in other publications, seriously what the hell
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>>3121163
Why are you on evafeeks? That's your problem right there.
It's impossible to no homo them, you shouldn't need a wiki to tell you that. Just watch the show.
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>>3121166
>Why are you on evafeeks? That's your problem right there
It's actually from evangelion wikia, but that's the point - this seems like the main fan made hub for the series, they've got first google results when searching for the characters yet they still state misleading information and don't describe Shinji - Kaworu relationship like it's presented in the canon, it gets even worse in more obscure media like i said before

It doesn't make any bloody sense
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>>3121163
So he loves Asuka or not?
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>>3121230
I don't really know
I'd appreciate someone conversant with all the franchise explain all that shit to me
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>>3121179
Do people not realize that Eva wikia is ripped almost wholesale from evageeks?
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>>3121251
Evageeks is a fucking cancer
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>>3121253
Indeed.
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>>3121253
that's bad
i'm sure lots of people get wrong image of the situation because of their popularity

>>3121251
well i did not
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>>3121242
Shinji said he wanted to be with Asuka forever during the kitchen scene in EoE. However, he only says that because he's desperate and has no one left to come back to, Asuka even calls him out on it. After killing Kaworu, Shinji tries to drown himself, after failing he goes to Asuka. Shinji views her as a last resort for comfort and she knows it. He views Asuka as a sexual object rather than a lover. It's all explained in the official Death and Rebirth theatrical book.
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>>3121303
And does he love Kaworu too, right?
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>>3121415
It's explicitly stated in the show so yeah.
You don't need a wiki to know this stuff, you just have to pay attention. Shinji says he loves Kaworu and even explains why, and he expresses physical attraction to him. Shinji also expresses physical attraction to Asuka, but when he claims yearning for her during the kitchen scene, she calls him out on his two-faced loneliness. It's as simple as that, way less complex than so many make it out to be.
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Anyone happen to know the source of this doujin?
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>>3121154
In that scene he's said to explicitly be lying, whereas he says he loves Kaworu like three times.
He only ever showed sexual attraction, to the point of treating her like an object which is exactly her beef with him as demonstrated in EoE.

Kaworu is the only character Shinji has shown both romantic and sexual attraction to, as well as the only one he said he loved (in that nature, you can argue he loves and cares for Toji/Kensuke/Misato/everyone else)

Relying on western wikis is pointless, there's a reason why the Nip fandom acts so radically different from the western one.
Just pay attention to the show and use your brain like you're supposed to.
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>>3121518
How different?
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>>3121417
>way less complex than so many make it out to be
Everything seems to show that many fans are delusional, hypocritical and wishful

disgraceful attitude if you ask me
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>>3121523
Eva is for casuals in Japan, so the majority of the fanbase is normalfags who actually get what the show is saying. Unlike many of the otaku retards in the west.

>>3121526
The show argues against wish-fulfillment, and yet so many waifufags misinterpret the characters for wish-fulfillment. It's a shame.
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>>3121518
>Just pay attention to the show and use your brain like you're supposed to.
Basically this, it's not hard. Eva's not some inaccessibly deep masterpiece--the vast majority of this stuff is spelled out explicitly in the show. Watch it, digest it, and see what you think.
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>>3121578
The only "deep" part of the show is the lore and Classified Information shit.
Yet everyone spends most of their time discussing and asking dumb questions about the characters when their arcs have been literally spoonfed to us in the last two episodes.
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>>3121518
>says he loves Kaworu like three times
And people still doubt their relationship. If Shinji had been a girl there would be absolutely no debate, everyone would agree they love each other.
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>>3121927
translation?
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1 more year until Final releases?
http://www.evangelion.co.jp/
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>>3122363
>鋭意制作中
Heh.
Thanks for the heads up, anon.
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made an OC
how do you like it?

also could you please provide canon texts which explicitly describe shinji as having a homosexual romantic interest in kaworu, like its done with kaworu here >>3120782 ?
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>>3122403
That text works just as well for Shinji, doesn't it? It's a two way street. Kaworu is Shinji's same sex love interest, meaning they both have romantic interest in each other.
Also sensible_chuckle.gif.
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>>3122403
That text confirms Shinji sees Kaworu in a homosexual romantic light. It says nothing about Kaworu's feelings.
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>>3122412
I guess it's attributed to Kaworu because it's included underneath a bio type deal for him, but really I just think it confirms the both of their feelings.
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>>3122418
In the text it clearly says シンジにとって, it's talking specifically about how Shinji feels towards Kaworu: which is a homosexual romantic/sexual interest.
It says nothing about Kaworu's feelings, as we've never had any official material confirm Kaworu's feelings on the matter. Only Shinji's.
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>>3122427
Pretty sure there was something in the materials of NGE2. And then there's stuff in materials Puchi Eva, but that's, you know.
I'm just saying I find the assignment of someone as a romantic interest to imply the interest goes both ways.
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>>3122412
Oh yeah, I meant the opposite
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>>3122431
This is what I was thinking of regarding NGE2, for the record. It was just a musing, though.
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>>3122403
I don't remember where is this from though.
>しかし、レイの正体を知り、恋にも似た想いを抱いたカヲルに裏切られて、[this part is covered by the red line] 彼は救いを見いだすことができるのか?

However, after finding out about Rei’s true identity and being betrayed by Kaworu, who he harbored feelings of love for, […] will he be able to find redemption?

>ガラスのように繊細な「僕の」碇シンジくんの心は、単に学校に行ったからといって癒されるものではない。心の隙間が埋まったと彼に錯覚させてくれるのは、友人の温かい言葉だけ。僕のシンジくんに限らず、君たちリリンはみんなそうじゃないのかい?

My Ikari Shinji-kun’s delicate heart of glass is not something that is so easily healed by simply going to school. Kind words from his friends merely give him the illusion that the cracks in his heart are filled. But that’s not only the case for my Shinji-kun; doesn’t it hold true for all the Lilin?
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>>3122403
>Who can foresee the future and guess that they can meet again at this moment?
>The moment Human Instrumentality Project began, Kaworu’s form appeared in front of him again.
>But, is this still the same “him"——
>“You have been there all along?”
>The question melted in the air. He whispers to Kaworu, as if facing the lover that he is about to lose.
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>>3122403
Years ago Famitsu confirmed Anno was behind the Kaworu/Shinji scenes in NGE2 just like it happened with the Classified Info. I don't have the source at hand anymore though, sorry, and the oldest archive for this board died long ago together with what /cm/ translated. Some of it must be saved in https://evaresources.wordpress.com/ but a lot of things are now lost forever.

They're... pretty enlightening, to say the least. Shinji almost goes full Gendo in one scenario. They confess face-to-face too before no one gets beheaded. I think it was here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94csmJLWn0Q
>I'll rather let humanity wiped out than lose you!
It's funny how some people always push NGE2 for certain aspects of the Eva but completely 'forget' about this or >>3122434. I still remember a user saying NGE2 confirmed it was 'platonic'. EG is really something.

Pretty sure I'm forgetting something but I too lost a lot of Eva shit I had saved long ago due to technical issues.
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>>3122403
nice one
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>>3122418
I just want to put these lines in the OC on each character as a clear proof of the nature of their relationship
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>>3122477
I don't wanna be a party pooper but if that's your intention I'm warning you you're not going to convice them. It's been literally decades. The one posted here >>3120782 was written by Anno (by his own admission) https://otakumode.com/news/5458c7dadb7b183963e68abf/Evangelion-20th-Anniversary-Bombshell-a-Mysterious-Work-Just-Like-Attack-on-Titan-and%E2%80%A6-Hideaki-Anno-Talk-Show-%E2%80%9CDirector-Edition%E2%80%9D-Report and yet these people are not convinced by it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AShinji_Ikari There was a thread for that page opened in EG and it was quickly dismissed. It had maybe three post at most. There's also a thread with a lot of 'proofs' which was opened there like two years ago and was closed for 'flaming'. They later came here actually.
There's people who will never be convinced. There could be a scene with them living and waking up together naked in the same bed or something and I can assure you people would come out with any sort of explanations.
>they said they love each other
>'i-is NOT in THAT way'
>the author said it's romantic
>'whatever the author says doesn't matter'
They will always find a way. Seriously. Evafags are acoustic.
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>>3122526
You're 100% right, sadly, but it is still funny to juxtapose EG and the like with canon material.
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>>3122528
Yup, I usually save all of those I see actually. It guarantees me a good laugh errytime.
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>>3122543
>asuka
>tru luv
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>>3122526
But on the bright side, it's because they think this way that we get to see their butthurt reactions to the gay scenes in 3.0.

And at the end of the day, it's the Japanese fanbase that matters, and they've long since accepted Kaworu and Shinji's relationship.
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>>3122526
>I don't wanna be a party pooper but if that's your intention I'm warning you you're not going to convice them. It's been literally decades.
Well I know how old is this story but it's still a good thing to keep trying and get people away from their/their own bullshit and present it like it is

memes present information easily and briefly, they are a very good way

>It says nothing about Kaworu's feelings, as we've never had any official material confirm Kaworu's feelings on the matter. Only Shinji's.
It's a shame, I wanted to put a line for Kaworu too.
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>>3122543
>bad at reading subtex
>replacement for Asuka
>tell Shinji "I love you", suggesting that on some level he wanted Asuka to say that
are they actually mental
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>>3122403
Found something else.
>Feeling deeply betrayed by Kaworu and disgusted, Shinji launches in pursuit of the only person he ever loved.
>Despite the support of Misato, who wished for the death of Kaworu, Shinji remains inconsolable.

>>3122670
True. What would have they done had the 'sex scene' spoiler been true?

>>3122721
Yeah, but evafags can't into logic even with those pictures. They've always tried hard to deny Parano/June's interviews. Overanalyzing the shape of a shadow in the floor or inventing rumors revolving the staff/the show is more up their alleys.
Don't expect things to change too much because the 90% of fans prefer to rely in a retarded wikia instead of actually watching the show with their eyes opened/listening to what the creators have to say. It applies to many topics when it comes to Eva, not just this one. The level of misinformation is so fucking huge is exhausting.
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>>3122403
And maybe this?
>(the text next to the number 59): “‘Maybe I was born so that I would meet you,’ Kaworu says, while staring at Shinji’s face. Shinji’s heart skips a beat.”

>>3122728
You know the answer. It was a famous user from there the one saying K/S was platonic because NGE2 'confirmed it'. I still can't believe someone who actually played the game can say that.
The other reply is funny considering that girl is a fan of Asuka. It's almost like everyone in the show didn't hurt Shinji at some point whether on purpose or not.
>she dindunuffin
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>>3122731
>in pursuit of the only person he ever loved
>only person he ever loved
oh dog it even debunks shinji/asuka

this and this >>3122732 are brilliant, do you have English versions perhaps?

>>3122434
what does this text say?

>>3122462
>>3122463
>>3122532
good as well

>>3122528
>>3122543
and these are funny

>The level of misinformation is so fucking huge is exhausting.
it's seems so, but it makes trying to contain it even more needed

anyway i updated the oc
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>>3122733
i'm not good with image editing sadly, it would be great if you made some similar, especially those with more skill
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>>3122733
Even the episode drafts to the official statement in the D&R booklet confirm Kaworu was the first person Shinji loved.
He was literally designed to be the Kaji to Shinji's Misato.
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>>3122774
This cunt doesn't deserve such good art skills
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>>3122784
Can you elaborate anon?
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>>3122434
>>3122733
>While his feelings of love (愛情) for Shinji are strangely strong, his romantic affections (愛情) towards members of the opposite sex such as Ritsuko and Maya are weak. Could this be because he's an Angel? Under these circumstances forming a ‘rabu rabu’ relationship with Shinji is preferable. As the relationship is satisfactory, concern over forming other relationships is unnecessary.

>>3122733
>oh dog it even debunks shinji/asuka
And the person who scanned it said it didn't specify 'the kind of love'.
>do you have English versions perhaps?
I believe they weren't translated into English though I'm not sure. Many of this stuff never left Japan and for a long time western fandom took advantage of that. The Kaworu part from D&R's booklet was 'casually' left untranslated for years until Q threads if my memory serves me right. Guess why.

>>3122735
Also this. He says he has never fallen in love before and tries to confess (it has the exact same wording of a confession in Japanese, that detail got lost in the English translations) before Kaworu shuts him down.

I've never seen something stating romantic feelings from Shinji towards Asuka. You actually don't see them talking about it in general terms. If Asuka/Shinji is the epitome of the hedgehog's dilemma/the most important relationship as the western fandom loves to push so much, then why has Gainax never actually said this? Why did Gainax put in Evangelion Platinum that the relationship that summarized the hedgehog's dilemma was actually Shinji/Misato? Why when asked about it Anno said the co-protagonist was Misato and not Asuka? Why the Red Cross Book made so much emphasis in how troubled and indefinable Shinji/Misato's relationship is? Why is that relationship the one Tsurumaki preferred to comment in his post-EoE interview when asked about 'communication' being a theme?
The reason should be obvious for anyone with a brain who watched the show, a textual remark shouldn't be need.
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>>3122807
I have the impression a lot of evafags just watched the show once, understood nothing, and then relied in whatever a couple of waifufags wrote in the Internet. That and doujin/fanfiction.
Explains the kind of meltdown that one LASfag had weeks ago in /a/ after rewatching it.

Also sorry for not posting pics but my WiFi is being a bitch and whenever I attach one it gives me a connection error. Loading pages and the like it's already being a pain. I've been trying to post this for a while. I hope it'll be better in a couple of hours.
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>>3122794
That's Tetsu-sabi, right? Anon is probably referencing how her DJs are all disastrously out of character.
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>>3122794
She does really OOC Kawoshin doujins.
I normally wouldn't mind except the first ones she did were amazing. It's like giving someone a bite of delicious cake and then replacing it with shit right after.
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>>3123021
I can't wait to hold this Shinji in my hands.
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>>3123021
Oh my God.
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>>3123021
When does this release? They both look gorgeous.
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>>3123145
I am wondering the exact same.
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>>3123155
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If Shinji really has a canonical small dick then explain this.
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>>3123163
That's his puffy vulva
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>>3122807
Misato is severely underrated despite being the co-protagonist and having the most focus and screen time after Shinji.
The fact that anyone hardly talks about her character is proof that most of the fan base doesn't give a fuck about anything but shipping and waifus.
Thankfully it's not as bad in the Nip fan base, that would drive Anno nuts.
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TBD Release date and price :(
http://neweva.blog103.fc2.com/blog-entry-5156.html
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>>3123426
I hope it doesn't end in a limbo just like it happened with the ones announced in another WF with both of them in school uniforms.
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OK, it's done
tell me if i made some mistakes or could do something better
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>>3123443
Fuck, and those looked great too.
You'd think two of the most iconic Anime boys in the last 20 years would get more content but no.
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>>3123450
Nice
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>shipping Kaworu with anyone but Shinji
Fucking waifufags, I swear
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I thought this was Kaworu but apparently it's some fag named Fugen
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>>3125498
Apparently he's voiced by Megumi Ogata
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>>3125504
The irony.
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Thread is Kill.
Time to move.
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